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4 1 Q 18 These letters. But there has been evidence given, and specifically by Deputy 2 Wright on Friday, that there is 24,000 representations in respect of the entire 3 plan for the first showing, if I could call it that, up to April of 1993. The 4 entire of the Development Plan. And then there was 24,500 representations in 5 respect of the second public display. 6 A In relation to this map? 7 Q 19 No, in relation to the entire Development Plan? 8 A I am sorry, I haven't checked that figure. I can't -- 9 Q 20 Well it's in the manager's report for, I think, December of 1993. If that's 10 correct, Mr. McGlynn, I want to test that with you, doesn't it suggest that the 11 firstly, there is a very, a relatively small number of quite original 12 objections in respect of the second display? 13 A Sorry, I don't follow. 14 Q 21 If there were 24,000 representations in respect of the first display, up to 15 April of 1993? 16 A Of the entire plan? 17 Q 22 Of the entire plan. 18 A I would have thought there would have been more than that. 19 Q 23 Those are the figures supplied according to the manager's report for December 20 1993. Perhaps we can get it out for you. 21 A I accept it. 22 Q 24 Could we have the last figure back as well please and put them on the same 23 screen. You see there that, Mr. McGlynn, that in the first paragraph, there is 24 24,000 representations in relation received by the planning authority. 25 A Yes. 26 Q 25 And then on the second display, there was 24,500 representations. 27 A I beg your pardon, I misunderstood what you said, I thought you said 2,500. 28 Q 26 Sorry, I thought I had said 24,000 but, in all events, there's 24,000 the first 29 time and 24,500 on the second occasion? 30 A Yes.
5 1 Q 27 Doesn't that suggest there was only five hundred or so original objections, new 2 objections. 3 A It's five hundred extra objections. 4 Q 28 Five hundred extra objections. And since we are speaking about a figure of 5 2,530 odd representations in respect of the Mahony lands, doesn't that strongly 6 suggest that those 2,530 or the vast bulk of them were generated in respect of 7 the events in March or April of 1993? 8 A I think from memory that's quite possible, yes. 9 Q 29 And don't we know that the amendment in respect of Mr. Fox's land only took 10 place on the day of the vote, on the 28th April 1993? 11 A Yes. 12 Q 30 So doesn't it suggest, therefore, that the vast majority of these 13 representations would have related to an original proposal which included Mr. 14 Mahony's lands and Mr. Fox's lands? 15 A I can't answer that question. I am sorry, I haven't checked that. 16 Q 31 With respect, Mr. McGlynn, and I am not seeking to put you in a difficult 17 position, but doesn't it follow from what you have just stated, because I think 18 you fairly acknowledge that the vast majority of these representations must 19 have been generated before April 1993. 20 A Yes. 21 Q 32 And that's one premise. The second premise is that we know that the amendment 22 in relation to Mr. Fox's lands was taken on the day of the vote itself, on the 23 28th April of 1993. 24 A Yes. 25 Q 33 Isn't that so? 26 A Yes. 27 Q 34 So, therefore, doesn't it follow that the representations, and unfortunately we 28 have no copy of them, but it follows inferentially they would have related to 29 objections to both Mr. Mahony's lands and Mr. Fox's lands. 30 A I could agree with you, but not having seen the representations myself, I can
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