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in conversation with William F. Buckle 281<br />

we do not understand, that we do not control, but that somehow<br />

affects us. In Webster's dictionary they say that this too could be<br />

defined as ignorance. You don't know Cod, but you know there's<br />

something there. You didn't create yourself, so you must have been<br />

created.<br />

I find it hard to tell a person, "Don't believe in God" and also tell<br />

him, "Pretend that you know everything, all the answers." So no<br />

matter what religion it is-whether Judaism, Christianity, or<br />

Islam-God is always that "thing": the unknown, the unknowable. I<br />

say that it's ignorance. It's ignorance when you don't know, and it's<br />

wisdom when you do. My father has been a minister ever since I<br />

can remember, and he used to always tell mc, "You know, the<br />

church is the heart of men and God grows from within." So as we<br />

eliminate our ignorance, and our God stops being ignorance and<br />

becomes wisdom and he grows within us, then we will really know<br />

who God is. We will see that we walk with him, that we talk with<br />

him, that we will find ourselves. We will know that our pipes have<br />

been in our mouths all the time. We'll know really who we are, and<br />

we'll know who God is. We'll find that he's the "all," which is a<br />

nonsense term because man only knows events in between the<br />

beginning and the end. Both of those arc words that maybe Mr.<br />

Buckley can define, but I can't. We know there's something outside<br />

of events that we don't understand.<br />

BUCKLEY: Mr. Moots?<br />

MR. MOOTS: I have a question for you, Mr. Buckley. Much of the<br />

emphasis on modern research, perhaps the concern of students here,<br />

has been viewing the Panthers in the last two or three years and<br />

seeing a great deal of metamorphosis that has taken place. Probably<br />

we have many more questions for Mr. <strong>Newton</strong> about where the<br />

Panthers stand now compared with the past. I would like to ask you<br />

if you have undergone a metamorphosis in your own appraisal?<br />

Some of your earlier statements about the Panthers were rather<br />

strong. I was curious about your present appraisal.<br />

BUCKLEY: My judgment has been publicly made of the Panther

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