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just trying to think of any case in which one of the<br />

Towards Healing people have actually come back and - maybe<br />

they have at some stage. I just can't think for the moment<br />

of a case, nothing to do with the Chute or Sutton ones, but<br />

any others there, yes.<br />

Q. Has the leadership group of the order revisited the<br />

question of whether deeds of release should be sought in<br />

Towards Healing matters?<br />

A. No, not the trustees themselves. Our advisory group<br />

is starting to look at a lot of those issues. We have an<br />

advisory group, as I have mentioned in some of the papers,<br />

dealing with professional standards matters, and we<br />

certainly are continuing to look at and to learn from our<br />

experience. As I said, the argument has always been, in<br />

terms of the duty - sorry, the deed of release, it was<br />

simply a way of saying to people, "Look, it's over; it's<br />

finished", from their side, that they have a sense of<br />

closure.<br />

Q. So does the order have a sense of closure, doesn't it,<br />

brother? The order won't then be faced with a civil claim<br />

where they would be more likely to get well over $100,000,<br />

closer to $200,000, than the $25,000 or the $30,000 under<br />

Towards Healing; isn't that right?<br />

A. Yes, as I said there. But we are still, in all these<br />

cases, open to the needs of people and people coming back,<br />

making their current needs known.<br />

Q. The needs under Towards Healing don't extend to any<br />

loss of earnings that might have been suffered and --<br />

A. No, there is no calculation like that.<br />

Q. The needs are primarily of a counselling nature; is<br />

that right?<br />

A. Well, that's fundamental. But then the - no, the<br />

question is put far more broadly than that, yes, in terms<br />

of --<br />

Q. Could include accommodation, training, that sort of<br />

thing?<br />

A. That's right, that's right.<br />

Q. Are you aware that the Archdiocese of Sydney, for<br />

example, stopped using deeds of release in Towards Healing<br />

matters some years ago?<br />

A. Yes.<br />

.1/07/2014 (ACT36) ACT4024 J J CROWE (Ms Furness)<br />

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