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just trying to think of any case in which one of the<br />
Towards Healing people have actually come back and - maybe<br />
they have at some stage. I just can't think for the moment<br />
of a case, nothing to do with the Chute or Sutton ones, but<br />
any others there, yes.<br />
Q. Has the leadership group of the order revisited the<br />
question of whether deeds of release should be sought in<br />
Towards Healing matters?<br />
A. No, not the trustees themselves. Our advisory group<br />
is starting to look at a lot of those issues. We have an<br />
advisory group, as I have mentioned in some of the papers,<br />
dealing with professional standards matters, and we<br />
certainly are continuing to look at and to learn from our<br />
experience. As I said, the argument has always been, in<br />
terms of the duty - sorry, the deed of release, it was<br />
simply a way of saying to people, "Look, it's over; it's<br />
finished", from their side, that they have a sense of<br />
closure.<br />
Q. So does the order have a sense of closure, doesn't it,<br />
brother? The order won't then be faced with a civil claim<br />
where they would be more likely to get well over $100,000,<br />
closer to $200,000, than the $25,000 or the $30,000 under<br />
Towards Healing; isn't that right?<br />
A. Yes, as I said there. But we are still, in all these<br />
cases, open to the needs of people and people coming back,<br />
making their current needs known.<br />
Q. The needs under Towards Healing don't extend to any<br />
loss of earnings that might have been suffered and --<br />
A. No, there is no calculation like that.<br />
Q. The needs are primarily of a counselling nature; is<br />
that right?<br />
A. Well, that's fundamental. But then the - no, the<br />
question is put far more broadly than that, yes, in terms<br />
of --<br />
Q. Could include accommodation, training, that sort of<br />
thing?<br />
A. That's right, that's right.<br />
Q. Are you aware that the Archdiocese of Sydney, for<br />
example, stopped using deeds of release in Towards Healing<br />
matters some years ago?<br />
A. Yes.<br />
.1/07/2014 (ACT36) ACT4024 J J CROWE (Ms Furness)<br />
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