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Discussions Forums => Battle Zone => Topic started by: BklynNYCigarLover on March 

29, 2011, 11:00:25 AM 

Title: CigarKid 

Post by: BklynNYCigarLover on March 29, 2011, 11:00:25 AM 

Anyone know CigarKid? Does anyone have his name and address? 

http://www.onlinehumidor.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1540 

(http://www.onlinehumidor.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1540) 

Title: Re: CigarKid 

Post by: Gee-Man on March 29, 2011, 11:32:34 AM 

Paulie, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong,this guy was on the verge of being 

banned, but many went to bat for him. 



Being banned where? and Why? 



Once again I may be wrong,but here at OLH. I cant find the thread in the BZ. 

If I'm wrong I'll take the 7 days. 


Post by: BklynNYCigarLover on March 29, 2011, 12:06:13 PM 

I'm not sure. he's tradercomments don't reflect that. I don't think that calls 

for a suspension If you right or wrong. this is the BZ as far as I know 

anything goes. 


Post by: Cozy on March 29, 2011, 12:19:38 PM 

Gee......here it is 

http://www.onlinehumidor.com/forum/index.php?topic=7357.0 

(http://www.onlinehumidor.com/forum/index.php?topic=7357.0) 


Post by: XTR on March 29, 2011, 12:26:37 PM



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He nearly got banned for using multiple accts. 

The best I've been able to figure out. 

I had banned someone else who is a friend of his, both accts showed up with 

the same IP because he let the banned member log in from his house, it 

appeared as if he was using 2 acct names. Someone stepped up for him and 

I let it slide. 


Post by: Gee-Man on March 29, 2011, 12:29:22 PM 

Thanks Cozy and XTR 


Post by: ivo on March 29, 2011, 12:43:02 PM 

I remember him- He bore a strong resemblance to Knliebe, a guy who had 

major issues on a knife collector's BB and this site as well. 



I got robbed! I'm sick to my stomach right now. 


Post by: jayro75 on March 29, 2011, 02:04:55 PM 

PM Insight! 



Quote from: BklynNYCigarLover on March 29, 2011, 01:56:51 PM 

I got robbed! I'm sick to my stomach right now. 

How long has it been since his last contact? 



He just wrote me back after I joined botl and pm'd him the basically telling 

me I'm beat 

My message to him 

Re: Whats going on? 

Quote: 

Originally Posted by BrooklynNYCigarLover 

You got the package back and I havent heard from you. You havent been on 

OH in over a week. Whats the deal? How are you going to rectify our



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problem? You owe me $$320.00!!! 

His message to me 

I got the package back? I sent you a message that last week monday 

explaining the situation. Did you not get it? I went to the PO and they told 

me it was marked an insufficient address. I'm pretty sure it still says it on the 

DC#, was told it was sent to dead mail. So, sadly I will never see those 

cigars again. I've talked to 3-4 people that I could get a good opinion on, 

they all said the same thing. If you send out a box and have proof of it being 

sent that it's out of my hands at this point. I don't see why I would have to 

take a $320 loss when it's not at all my fault, I did my part. I'm not 

responsible to pay for insurance. I tried, I dunno' what else to tell you, Paul. 

I thought you got this message on OH already? This is the first and only lost 

transaction I've had with cigars, I've done 50-60 at least between different 

sites. I'm truly sorry, Paul. I dunno' what else to say about this 

__________________ 

~Anthony 

"Maybe it's like becoming one with the cigar. You lose yourself in it; 

everything fades away: your worries, your problems, your thoughts. They 

fade into the smoke, and the cigar and you are at peace." Raul Julia 



Here's the tracking number 0309 1830 0001 1809 5774 it says he got it 

back 

Bottom line he wrote my address wrong and he's telling me it's out of his 

hands 


Post by: kydsid on March 29, 2011, 03:34:04 PM 

Dead mail? What is that bullshit. He needs to lay off the dumb comedy 

movies. If it has a return address they would return the package. Jobs are 

hard enough to come by, you gonna tell me that a postal carrier would risk 

his job and pension for some cigars. Puhlease. 

Is he gonna say he put his own address on the package wrong too? 

OP I hope it shows up soon at his place if he is honest in the least. I have 

had a few say delivered before they were so I hold out hope for ya. 


Post by: hombre on March 29, 2011, 03:58:18 PM 

That package did some traveling. 

Hopefully he will make it right quickly.



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Post by: TMS on March 29, 2011, 04:24:35 PM 

I know one thing, If I am sending out a package, never mind a $500 one I 

cut and paste from the PM with the buyers address into the USPS label site, 

and check it again. If the guy fudged your address how is it not on him? 


Post by: jasdav16 on March 29, 2011, 06:20:41 PM 

I would try and verify with USPS what the deliver to address was for that 

DC#, and then match that against whatever you sent to him with your 

address; PM, email, whatever and see if they match. If you truly gave the 

guy a bad address I can see both sides then and am kinda ambivalent on 

who should eat the $$. If you gave him the right address and that's not 

what ended up on the box, I think he needs to make it good. 


Post by: mthhurley on March 29, 2011, 06:29:07 PM 

That's a pretty shitty move. He wrote the address wrong and it's out of his 

hands? There are times in life when you just have to step up and make 

things right. Clearly YOU don't have the cigars. Time to man-up and do the 

right thing. 


Post by: tstoner86 on March 29, 2011, 07:58:00 PM 

Why dont you chime in CigarKid? You got the address incorrect, its your 

problem. 

THIS IS A CROCK OF SHIT! 

His message to me 

I got the package back? I sent you a message that last week monday 

explaining the situation. Did you not get it? I went to the PO and they told 

me it was marked an insufficient address. I'm pretty sure it still says it on the 

DC#, was told it was sent to dead mail. So, sadly I will never see those 

cigars again. I've talked to 3-4 people that I could get a good opinion on, 

they all said the same thing. If you send out a box and have proof of it being 

sent that it's out of my hands at this point. I don't see why I would have to 

take a $320 loss when it's not at all my fault, I did my part. I'm not 

responsible to pay for insurance. I tried, I dunno' what else to tell you, Paul. 

I thought you got this message on OH already? This is the first and only lost 

transaction I've had with cigars, I've done 50-60 at least between different 

sites. I'm truly sorry, Paul. I dunno' what else to say about this



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Post by: Fuente Fan on March 30, 2011, 09:10:12 AM 

He knows he is wrong and won't respond to this. 



How do I get him on the scumbag list? 



Quote from: jayro75 on March 29, 2011, 02:04:55 PM 

PM Insight! 


Post by: CigarKid on March 30, 2011, 05:21:20 PM 

Ok, first of all I haven't been on Wade's in a few days to respond to this, so 

the peanut gallery should stay out of it. 

I've been working my ass off to get this box back for two months, been to 

the PO multiple times, called the PO multiple times and talked to two 

different supervisors who I was keeping in contact with. When the package 

was back to the PO in my area the first time, I went to the PO and they 

couldn't find the box, telling me it went to dead letters because both 

addresses were incorrect, which is not possible. I've done multiple 

transaction without issue and as soon as I have an issue, which IMO, isn't 

even my fault, I'm a scum bag because I don't want to lose money over the 

PO's mistake. I don't feel like I should have to refund the money when I 

never got the cigars back. Paul knows I was going to refund him if I got them 

back, I told him that. To say I got the cigars back and am trying to pull a fast 

one over, to ruin my rep and gets me put on the "scum bag" list is insanity. 

I've done more trying to get this damn box in my hands than you guys could 

imagine. I've had to have called and been to that PO at least 15+ times. 

When I went back after seeing the DC#, I asked specifically for the lady who 

I was talking with on the phone. She told me personally, it was marked as an 

insufficient because of the return address was not valid. The only option they 

have for boxes that can't be returned is to send them to dead letters, then 

they auction off what ever is inside. Pretty crazy, I know. But to say that is a 

crock of shit, is laughable. Two months of a headache and to still get shit for 

it, wow... I know why I barely come on here anymore, a bunch of little one 

sides babies. 



Someone explain to me, why I would all of a sudden try to scam someone 

when I've done 30+ transactions on here alone. Especially with a well known 

member on here. My last intention was for it to end this way, and for Paul to 

know I've been trying my ass off to get it back, is ludacris. We've been going



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back and fourth for two months! I'm not a scum bag, nor would I try pulling 

a fast on a BOTL! Should I re-post your vulgar ass messages I got from you 

Paul? 



Oops, almost forgot. Just did a google search right now, for THOSE saying 

this is a crock of shit, lol. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_letter_office 

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_letter_office) 



Quote from: TMS on March 29, 2011, 04:24:35 PM 

I know one thing, If I am sending out a package, never mind a $500 one I cut and paste from the PM 

with the buyers address into the USPS label site, and check it again. If the guy fudged your address 

how is it not on him? 

the label was not done online, I went to the PO and mailed it personally on 

my way to work. Now looking back, I wish I would have done it online, 

neither Paul or I would be having to deal with this right now. 



So how is this the buyer's fault, again??? 



Honestely as far as I'm concerned you didn't do shit you went to the po 

maybe twice bottom line you sent me a package and dint write my address 

correctly and you didn't write your own address correctly I sent you my 

money for you to send me cigars I never got my end 

You belong on the scumbag list so people know if they deal with you and 

anything happens there fucked! Because you won't make it right as you 

should! 

Oh and as far as the po is concerned they left multiple notices at your 

address "the one you wrote as the return address" and you didn't reschedule 

a redelivery nor did you pick it up from them in time that's why it went to 

dead letter because of the amount of time you let pass 



[ 

Yes you should. Sorry if I hurt your feelings and sorry if I don't like getting 

robbed.



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quote author=CigarKid link=topic=8562.msg46099#msg46099 

date=1301520510] 

Someone explain to me, why I would all of a sudden try to scam someone 

when I've done 30+ transactions on here alone. Especially with a well known 

member on here. My last intention was for it to end this way, and for Paul to 

know I've been trying my ass off to get it back, is ludacris. We've been going 

back and fourth for two months! I'm not a scum bag, nor would I try pulling 

a fast on a BOTL! Should I re-post your vulgar ass messages I got from you 

Paul? 

[/quote] 



Quote from: CigarKid on March 30, 2011, 05:42:11 PM 

the label was not done online, I went to the PO and mailed it personally on my way to work. Now 

looking back, I wish I would have done it online, neither Paul or I would be having to deal with this 

right now. 

Were only dealing with this because your a scumbag! If you would have done 

the right thing neither of us would be dealing with this 



I love how you talk as if you know for sure what I've done to get the box 

back. You know I've been there more than twice. If I was an online vendor, 

it'd be handled differently, but this was a private sale between two people. I 

still, even after your bullshit thread, don't feel obligated to refund you back 

all your money that I would completely be out of. If I personally felt this was 

MY fault, you'd have your money back, trust me. I work off principal, and if 

you want to be a asshole and try making me look bad because the PO lost 

your box, thats on you, but don't expect me to be nice about it. If there is a 

rule that I should have insured the box over $100 transactions, that's a 

different thing and it would be my fault. 




Were only dealing with this because your a scumbag! If you would have done the right thing neither 

of us would be dealing with this 

What is exactly doing the right thing? Losing $320 of my own dollars because 

of a PO fuck up? Is this a rule on OH? I don't think so... 




I love how you talk as if you know for sure what I've done to get the box back. You know I've been 

there more than twice. If I was an online vendor, it'd be handled differently, but this was a private



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sale between two people. I still, even after your bullshit thread, don't feel obligated to refund you 

back all your money that I would completely be out of. If I personally felt this was MY fault, you'd 

have your money back, trust me. I work off principal, and if you want to be a asshole and try making 

me look bad because the PO lost your box, thats on you, but don't expect me to be nice about it. If 

there is a rule that I should have insured the box over $100 transactions, that's a different thing and 

it would be my fault. 

And this is why you belong on the list so people know the type of person 

there dealing with = a scumbag 




What is exactly doing the right thing? Losing $320 of my own dollars because of a PO fuck up? Is this 

a rule on OH? I don't think so... 

The po didn't fuck up you did 




[ 

Yes you should. Sorry if I hurt your feelings and sorry if I don't like getting robbed. 

quote author=CigarKid link=topic=8562.msg46099#msg46099 date=1301520510] 

Someone explain to me, why I would all of a sudden try to scam someone when I've done 30+ 

transactions on here alone. Especially with a well known member on here. My last intention was for it 

to end this way, and for Paul to know I've been trying my ass off to get it back, is ludacris. We've 

been going back and fourth for two months! I'm not a scum bag, nor would I try pulling a fast on a 

BOTL! Should I re-post your vulgar ass messages I got from you Paul? 

Now I feel like I'm repeating myself, but yes I actually did go to the PO and 

try getting it. They told me they couldn't find the box, I sat there and waited 

for half an hour while a worker and a supervisor both searched it out. Now 

my fault a bunch of morons work at the PO. You act like I'm profiting off of 

this some how, which I find hilarious. Just like you tried saying in the first 

place, and after my response to it, you had nothing to say, because you 

know you were wrong for that message! 



Its your responsibility as a seller to get the cigars you sold to the buyer. 




The po didn't fuck up you did 

I wouldn't be an asshole about it, if you weren't. The OH only knows what 

you're saying. Should I repost your messages? How about the ones where I 

tried making it right and fair, and you werent having it.



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Cry me a river, Paul. I'm done playing these little kid games with you, put 

me on any list you want. Just because this one time is years I had an issue, 

doesn't make me too worried about your empty threats. 



Quote from: ivo on March 30, 2011, 07:01:04 PM 

Its your responsibility as a seller to get the cigars you sold to the buyer. The error that you made as 

expressed in your own post wasn't something the buyer is responsible for. 

Ok, what was the error I made? 




Its your responsibility as a seller to get the cigars you sold to the buyer. 

He didn't even want the cigars back to begin with, so I woulda' been stuck 

with cigars that were out of a humidor for two years. No Matter what I was 

getting screwed, and I don't feel it was my fault. I was going to refund him 

the money back the day I got them back, but I never was able to get them 

back. 

So, I should refund $320 and be out of a box of cigars over a post office 

error? That doesn't sound very fair to me, either. Not my fault Paul wasn't 

having anyones way but his own. 



I had nothing to say because what i had to say wasn't nice and I thought for 

a second there was a chance of me getting my money back. I'm done with 

the back and forth I will forward all correspondence to the powers that be 

and they will decide weather or not you belong on the list. The money is not 

important what's important is everyone knowing what type of a trader you 

are. 



I did my part and offered him half the money back AND cigars for the 

trouble, but he wasn't having it. So, whose fault is that? Not mine, and that's 

what I believe to be fair, is it not? I didn't have to make that offer at al, but I 

did. So if I a scum bag, so be it. 




I had nothing to say because what i had to say wasn't nice and I thought for a second there was a 

chance of me getting my money back. I'm done with the back and forth I will forward all



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correspondence to the powers that be and they will decide weather or not you belong on the list. The 

money is not important what's important is everyone knowing what type of a trader you are. 

To be honest with you, I'm not that worried about it because I know I tried 

making it right. 




I had nothing to say because what i had to say wasn't nice and I thought for a second there was a 

chance of me getting my money back. I'm done with the back and forth I will forward all 

correspondence to the powers that be and they will decide weather or not you belong on the list. The 

money is not important what's important is everyone knowing what type of a trader you are. 

You know in your own head I tried making this square, so for you to lash out 

on me, is hilarious. You think this thread was going to scare me into getting 

your way, really? HA 




You know in your own head I tried making this square, so for you to lash out on me, is hilarious. You 

think this thread was going to scare me into getting your way, really? HA 

No in my own head your a piece of shit that didn't do the right thing. I did 

get my way the point of this thread was to let everyone know that you are a 

scumbag not to get my money back. If I thought I was getting my money 

back I would have waited to post this thread but I knew t wasn't going to 

happen. All I know is not one person who posted on this thread said you are 

in the right..............................WINNING 



Yeah, before I had a chance to respond, don't pat yourself on the back too 

fast now. 




Yeah, before I had a chance to respond, don't pat yourself on the back too fast now. 

FWIW even after your response I don't agree with you. You owe a full 

refund. It sucks but ya gotta suck it up and give the man his money back. 

P.S. The mistake you made, as questioned one page back, was putting 

incorrect addresses for his address and your's for godsake. How do you not 

see that its your fault NOT the post office. Stop shifting blame.



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Post by: terrantheman on March 30, 2011, 07:32:02 PM 

O.K. I've read this whole thread and I gotta say that cigarkid you're in the 

wrong here... You should have insured and you should have written the 

address wrong and taken better measures in getting this to Brooklyn. You 

didn't do it correctly and this was stated by you and therefore you are 

responsible and you should refund his money on your error. Yes you are out 

$320 but you still have your reputation as a BOTL that does the right thing. 



I should have insured it, but that's not a rule on here, more of a common 

sense type thing. So, that shouldn't be held against me, IMO. Have I learned 

from the mistake, yes. 

I've yet to state I wrote it wrong, that's what the PO is telling us. How do we 

know the label didn't get smudged or damaged? It's not good to just assume 

things. I mean it was in transition for two months at least, not 3-4 days like 

most boxes. 



I'd have to be pretty damn dumb to make such a mistake. How does 

someone write their OWN address wrong! I'm not dyslexic! And for you guys 

to believe I actually made such a mistake is insulting! 



Cigarkid you're acting like you've never done this before and you're learning 

something new... You've done 30+ transactions as stated by you. I'm 

surprised that you've not insured any of these... Rule of thumb for me 

anything over $100 I insure. You've actually been very lucky not to have lost 

more $$$. 


Post by: Vegan702 on March 30, 2011, 07:43:01 PM 

You got paid for cigars that you sent. You didn't insure the package and the 

cigars didn't get delivered as verified by the post office. You are responsible 

for refunding his money. You should have insured the package just for this 

type of scenario. Because you didn't insure or others on here didn't insure 

isn't an excuse, as I always insure when its over a certain amount that I am 

not comfortable absorbing if the package is lost or damaged and I pay the 

cost to insure, not the buyer. Ignorance doesn't relieve you of responsibility. 


Post by: terrantheman on March 30, 2011, 07:45:17 PM



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It's still on you to make this right no matter what the heck the PO has done 

wrong. You should have insured to cover "your" loss but you obviously had a 

slip in judgement for something that was pricey. Doesn't excuse the fact 

that you're essentially taking someones money. You're telling Brooklyn... 

"yes I'm keeping this money and you can't have it even though you did 

nothing wrong." Seriously? 



No, if you read my post at the top of the page. I tried making it right. I 

offered him money and cigars. 



I have yet to ever receive a package containing cigars that has been insured. 

If this was a rule on OH, this wouldn't be an issue. Maybe this rule should be 

put into effect: Any package over $100 needs to be insured. 



CigarKid you work right? Q: You ever here the term "Cover Your Own Ass?" 

Well you haven't and you have lost and you need to make this right, period. 

Quit dancing around this PM Brooklyn and send him all of his money back 

and you can be done. 




I should have insured it, but that's not a rule on here, more of a common sense type thing. So, that 

shouldn't be held against me, IMO. 

You keep saying its not a rule here. Are you trying to say here at OLH? 

You showed a complete lack of common sense. Sad to say,but I shall hold it 

against you. 




No, if you read my post at the top of the page. I tried making it right. I offered him money and 

cigars. 

Ok so you didn't make a mistake with the address. But you didn't provide 

any backup for the address inside the box, by doing it online, insurance on 

and on. You are the only one who had the ability and responsibility to ensure 

delivery and you failed to do that. 

You offered a compromise, the buyer has NO responsibility to accept that



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compromise. Just because you offered and he declined it doesn't mean you 

get to keep his money. It just doesn't work that way. Sorry. 



Quote from: Gee-Man on March 30, 2011, 07:53:22 PM 

You keep saying its not a rule here. Are you trying to say here at OLH? 

You showed a complete lack of common sense. Sad to say,but I shall hold it against you. 

Now that I think back, yes I should have insured it. Just wasn't thinking of 

the possibility of it being lost. I'm saying, here on OH, it should be made a 

rule to insure $100+ packages from now on. It wouldn't be a bad idea, 

problems like this would be resolved a lot easier, was my point. 



Quote from: kydsid on March 30, 2011, 07:54:16 PM 

Ok so you didn't make a mistake with the address. But you didn't provide any backup for the 

address inside the box, by doing it online, insurance on and on. You are the only one who had the 

ability and responsibility to ensure delivery and you failed to do that. 

You offered a compromise, the buyer has NO responsibility to accept that compromise. Just because 

you offered and he declined it doesn't mean you get to keep his money. It just doesn't work that 

way. Sorry. 

So, basically, because the PO fudged up, it's my responsibility to be out of 

the cigars and 100% of the funds? Because I didn't insure a box I didn't have 

to? Should I have, yes, but it wasn't a rule, so I don't feel that should be held 

against me, because no one else I've bought off insures there packages for 

that reason. If it was a rule, there would be less issues, like this one. So why 

isn't it made a rule? 




So, basically, because the PO fudged up, it's my responsibility to be out of the cigars and 100% of 

the funds? Because I didn't insure a box I didn't have to? Should I have, yes, but it wasn't a rule, so 

I don't feel that should be held against me, because no one else I've bought off insures there 

packages for that reason. 

Yes. Sorry. It sucks but thems the breaks. 

Quote 

If it was a rule, there would be less issues, like this one. So why isn't it made a rule? 

Because it would be a stupid rule. How exactly would the site be able to 

regulate and enforce that as a rule? It would be impossible. Insurance has 

no bearing on this discussion other than it would have saved your ass. 

Without you are fucked in a situation like this, enjoy.



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the funds? Because I didn't insure a box I didn't have to? Should I have, yes, but it wasn't a rule, so 

I don't feel that should be held against me, because no one else I've bought off insures there 

packages for that reason. If it was a rule, there would be less issues, like this one. So why isn't it 

made a rule? 

Its not a rule because its up to the sender. You could send with or without 

insurance. Its completely up to sender. But the sender is the one thats 

responsible for delivery. 



Is it possible to be this blatantly irresponsible? CigarKid when you're on the 

"list" this will carry over to BOTL also dude. You're being a complete thief in 

this situation and you know it. Quit ripping off Brooklyn and do the right 

thing. You can save the bullshit taking that as an insult but if the shoe fits!!! 



Did he make this right with you Brooklyn? 



Quote from: terrantheman on March 30, 2011, 08:27:31 PM 

Did he make this right with you Brooklyn? 

No........ 




Is it possible to be this blatantly irresponsible? CigarKid when you're on the "list" this will carry over 

to BOTL also dude. You're being a complete thief in this situation and you know it. Quit ripping off 

Brooklyn and do the right thing. You can save the bullshit taking that as an insult but if the shoe 

fits!!! 

A thief would be selling him cigars, and not sending them. It's not like I have 

the cigars in my humidor right now. How does this make me a thief. I wanted 

to get the cigars back and send him the money, that was the plan, but it 

didn't work out that way. 

Theif - a person who steals, especially secretly or without open force; one 

guilty of theft or larceny. 

This was not the case.



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Post by: jayro75 on March 30, 2011, 08:39:49 PM 


Is it possible to be this blatantly irresponsible? CigarKid when you're on the "list" this will carry over 

to BOTL also dude. You're being a complete thief in this situation and you know it. Quit ripping off 

Brooklyn and do the right thing. You can save the bullshit taking that as an insult but if the shoe 

fits!!! 

Not only did he screw up the address and not insure the package but he 

somehow feels that Brooklyn should share in the blame. Why should 

Brooklyn have accepted a partial refund and take a loss on goods that were 

never delivered and at this point never will be? What he fails to understand 

is at this point yes he is a thief and the list follows you everywhere. It seems 

to me he thinks the list is just an OLH only thing and that he can just run 

back to BOTL like this never happened. CigarKid you should make this right 

and refund his money. Look at it as an expensive learning experience. This 

is the only way you can keep your reputation intact. Once on the list you'll 

essentially be blackballed from trading and your name will be dirt across all 

boards. 


Post by: mthhurley on March 30, 2011, 08:40:59 PM 

Your assumption is that the PO screwed up. Is the possibility there that since 

you hand wrote these labels that you screwed up?...that maybe they were 

unreadable? (future learning, use USPS Click and Ship and that would have 

never happened). You are basing this entire thing on their screw up which is 

unverifiable. 

Then you screwed up by not buying insurance and that's all on you. 

Ask your favorite B&M how they'd handle this situation. They mail a box to a 

customer, it never gets there and never gets returned. Do they tell the 

customer "tough cookies"....No, they replace it or refund it. 




Theif - a person who steals, especially secretly or without open force; one guilty of theft or larceny. 

And you have Brooklyn's money... and he has? nothing. Thank you. Now 

no one else has to call you that, because you already have. 


Post by: family guy on March 30, 2011, 08:44:53 PM 

Even on ebay that excuse is not valid. AS a seller you are responsible to 

make sure the buyer gets the product. Getting insurance is the only way to 

cover your ass. Bottom line, you are in the wrong and if you want your good 

name intact. You should do the right thing and issue a refund., education is 

never free/.



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And once I refund him the money, what do I have, nothing. That's the whole 

point. I don't want to keep all the money, I just don't think it's fair to be out 

of the money myself. I didn't do anything I wasn't supposed to do. This will 

be figured out between me and Paul, shortly. 



Because you were never here for any reason other than selling. You see, 

money is more important to you than your reputation, because you never 

cared what anyone here at OLH thought of you. What you care about is: the 

money, the whole money, and nothing but the money. 



That's beyond false, but ok. 


Post by: family guy on March 30, 2011, 08:49:28 PM 


And once I refund him the money, what do I have, 

You have your name and reputation and that is worth more than money. I 

have no horse in this race. I hope you do the right thing. 




That's beyond false, but ok. 

Then prove me wrong. Prove us all wrong, and make this right. 



Working on it now, this will be resolved one way or the other. 



Quote from: CigarKid link=topic=8562.msg 

46200#msg46200 date=1301532880 

Working on it now, this will be resolved one way or the other.



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Nice CK. Remember next time insurance. 



Trust me, I won't forget next time! You're all right, it's not worth the good 

trader rating I have, to get ruined over one incident whether it wasn't my 

fault or not. I'm gonna' just have to man up and take the loss. O'well, lesson 

learned I suppose. 



Good on you CK :bigup: Get'er Done :clap: 


Post by: Cozy on March 30, 2011, 09:25:21 PM 

:bigup: 


Post by: kockroach on March 30, 2011, 09:35:19 PM 

After reading through all of this, I do hope that CK does refund all of the 

money to Brooklyn. Yes it does suck that you are out $320, CK. However, 

you CANNOT expect Brooklyn to accept any of the blame in this. The 

package was not delivered to him, and was sent back to Chicago. It isn't his 

fault. There doesn't have to be any rule that says you MUST put insurance 

on your shipment, especially over a certain value. Like others have said, it is 

your decision. Insurance is for the SELLER'S protection, NOT the buyer. 

It is an expensive mistake, but one that you need to accept and learn from. 

Everytime I ship, I put clear tape over the addresses....that way they cannot 

be rubbed off or washed off. 



I'm gonna wait and see what Brooklyn says... 



After all is said and done, I hope Paul comments back and let's you guys 

know I'm doing what I can to make this right. My reputation means a lot to 

me, and I can't let it spoil over something like this. 


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Basically he is trying to make it right but he cant do it in full. He would like to 

give me the difference in cigars. I don't feel comfortable with this but I am 

going to accept it. 



I'm talking OG blacks, Franks, etc. Stuff I normally wouldn't be getting rid of, 

if I didn't have to. 




I'm talking OG blacks, Franks, etc. Stuff I normally wouldn't be getting rid of, if I didn't have to. 

listen i dont know you and from what ive seen i dont trust you i dont want 

your cigars i want my money if you cant give it to me in full then make an 

offer if not send it in two payments 



I have perfect trader rating on here and BOTL, not to mention eBay(probably 

irrelevant). This is the first bump in the road I've had to deal with, maybe I 

was lucky for a while I dunno', because I've been B/S/T'ing online since I was 

14 years old. Obviously not just cigars, but whatever. I want to make this 

right, but I don't want to be frowned upon, on these forums, over this one 

incident I've had. This is what scares me the most! I hope you all can see 

past this and realize I'm not a shady person to deal with, ask ANYONE I've 

ever dealt with. Every transaction has been prompt and flawless. Sorry for 

sending that impression out to anyone over this deal. 

And Paul, I partly want to send you some awesome sticks just because, I 

know you're pissed and believe this is all my fault or whatever, but I promise 

you it's not. I think you would be happier overall with the HTF's than cash, 

after all is said and done. 




not to mention eBay(probably irrelevant). 

Oh, no, actually. You have no idea how relevant that is... 


Obviously not just cigars, but whatever. 

Ever trade/sell any knives, too?



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Post by: insight on March 30, 2011, 10:40:31 PM 

So basically... paulie... where do things stand in your book (for my records or 

whatever) 




Oh, no, actually. You have no idea how relevant that is... 

Ever trade/sell any knives, too? 

Lol, just through that out there because I've done TONS of transaction on 

there. I know it doesn't matter. 

Knives, definitely not. Why do you ask? 



Quote from: kockroach on March 30, 2011, 09:35:19 PM 

After reading through all of this, I do hope that CK does refund all of the money to Brooklyn. Yes it 

does suck that you are out $320, CK. However, you CANNOT expect Brooklyn to accept any of the 

blame in this. The package was not delivered to him, and was sent back to Chicago. It isn't his 

fault. There doesn't have to be any rule that says you MUST put insurance on your shipment, 

especially over a certain value. Like others have said, it is your decision. Insurance is for the 

SELLER'S protection, NOT the buyer. 

It is an expensive mistake, but one that you need to accept and learn from. Everytime I ship, I put 

clear tape over the addresses....that way they cannot be rubbed off or washed off. 

Sorry for the whole misconstruing about the Insurance idea. I just mean 

that, maybe it's not such a bad idea to just have a rule written about insuring 

packages. I know there were rules on other websites about it, not that stuff 

like this happens often, but it's not a bad idea just to avoid people getting 

screwed, whether they're ignorant or not, I don't see it as a bad idea. I know 

there is no way to prove you're insuring, but I believe most would follow that 

rule and realize shit like this CAN happen. I realize there's a lot of maturity 

on this forum, to not really have a hard set body of rules, but it might not be 

such a bad idea? 



What would be a great idea is if you would accept your own responsibility in 

this matter. For the post office to have the receiver's address incorrect is 

one thing. For them to not have the receiver and the sender's address 

incorrect screams: your fault. 

I have no idea how long you've been smoking/selling/trading cigars online, 

but from the way you've handled this situation from the start tells me(I'm 

gonna go out on a limb here) you haven't been trading on the various cigar 

bb's for very long. You probably have no idea how significant it is to have



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your name added to the scumbag list. And that's the direction you're 

leaning. 



Have you not read the last page, this is already in the works of being 

resolved. I made a lot of posts out of anger, but what do you expect, I'm 

losing out in this deal. I understand that I have to make right or my rep is 

ruined, it's just hard to take blame for something you know in your heart, is 

not your fault. 



I read the last post Paulie made, so... I dunno, I guess I disagree when you 

say this is being resolved. What strikes me is that you keep saying- over and 

over and over- that this is not your fault. If you were here for the fellowship, 

I suspect your opinion of the matter would be different. 



Anthony how old are you? I'm curious. 




I read the last post Paulie made, so... I dunno, I guess I disagree when you say this is being 

resolved. What strikes me is that you keep saying- over and over and over- that this is not your 

fault. If you were here for the fellowship, I suspect your opinion of the matter would be different. 

No offense, but who are you to say? This isn't between me and you, so 

you're opinion is irrelevant. I don't understand why Paul is still being that 

way, I understand he's pissed, but he should also understand I'm making 

him a damn fine offer of cigars anyone would appreciate. You just seem like 

you want to fire this up more than it already is, maybe you should just stay 

out of it. Until you you know this didn't get resolved, I don't know what else 

you have to say. 

It's not easy to admit the PO's mistake is my fault, but if it makes you happy 

- ok guys, this is all my fault and I'm taking the blame for it. I'm sure Paul 

will chime in after this is settles, if he wants the all the money back and no 

cigars, that's fine by me. But seeing as he is someone who obviously 

appreciates good, HTF cigars, I thought it was a fair offer. He's not entitled to 

take the offer. 


Post by: ivo on March 31, 2011, 12:32:07 AM 


This isn't between me and you, so you're opinion is irrelevant.



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Actually, the fact that we're here, in the BZ, speaks otherwise. You do, 

however, have the option to not participate in this discussion. I doubt 

anyone would fault you for that, at this point. 


You just seem like you want to fire this up more than it already is, maybe you should just stay out of 

it. Until you you know this didn't get resolved, I don't know what else you have to say. 

BrooklynNYCigarLover started this thread, and I'll believe its settled when he 

says it is. The only thing I've been addressing is your attitude about this 

situation. Nothing more, nothing less. 


It's not easy to admit the PO's mistake is my fault, but if it makes you happy - ok guys, this is all my 

fault and I'm taking the blame for it. 

I'm not looking for you to say the right words, or express remorse, I'm just 

pointing out that your attitude about this(including what was just quoted) 

situation from the start has been cavalier, to say the least. I doubt anything 

you could post would change that sentiment. 


I'm sure Paul will chime in after this is settles, if he wants the all the money back and no cigars, 

that's fine by me. 

If I were to judge by his last post, I think you're right- he does want his 

money back. 


Post by: Uncle Maddie on March 31, 2011, 01:12:22 AM 

CK, As others have said I have no horse in this race, but I have been around 

here and another BB awhile to see how things like this have had better 

outcomes..I've seen a similar situation, but the seller immediately made 

things right without getting defensive and though he took a loss in the 

beginning, so many BOTL thought he did the right thing, BOMBED the hell 

out of him!! His rep was intact, the buyer was done right, and the whole 

thing left a lasting a positive impression to everyone who witnessed it. 

A little humility goes along way...Just my .02 

PS (I'm "enjoynopus" on CF for those who wanna check my start date ;D) 


Post by: terrantheman on March 31, 2011, 06:43:51 AM 

So since CK didn't want to answer my question I'm going out on a limb and 

guessing that he is approx. 25yo give or take a year. Which he is completely 

describing his age and arrogance in this situation and showing what an 

immature baby he is... Am I wrong? I really hope you're not older than 27 

and I do pray that you're not in your 30's cuz you've got a lot of growing to 

do bro. Your attitude speaks volumes and you have no idea what humility is 

listen to what everyone has advised you. 


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the funds?... 

Yes. Regardless of whether or not it was your fault or the POs fault, you're 

liable for the buyer getting his cigars. 

It's not the buyer's fault that you didn't feel it neccessary to pay insurance, 

send via Express, etc...You're the seller and the buyer didn't receive what he 

paid for. 

Refund the money. 


Post by: CigarKid on March 31, 2011, 08:18:00 AM 

Quote from: terrantheman on March 31, 2011, 06:43:51 AM 

So since CK didn't want to answer my question I'm going out on a limb and guessing that he is 

approx. 25yo give or take a year. Which he is completely describing his age and arrogance in this 

situation and showing what an immature baby he is... Am I wrong? I really hope you're not older 

than 27 and I do pray that you're not in your 30's cuz you've got a lot of growing to do bro. Your 

attitude speaks volumes and you have no idea what humility is listen to what everyone has advised 

you. 

Does it matter how old I am, worry about yourself, bro! This doesn't involve, 

nor concern you! I really hope you are mature as you think, because you 

don't sound like it making this ignorant post, because I didn't answer your 

question? Even after TRYING to make things right, can't win with you guys... 

How about this, fuck you. That's how I feel right now, get a life, and stop 

worrying about other peoples business, don't you have a girlfriend to bide 

your time with? 


Post by: chenvt on March 31, 2011, 08:38:51 AM 

So just to clarify.. CigarKid, your final offer is cigars which in your opinion 

are worth more than a cash refund? 


Post by: canadianbeaver on March 31, 2011, 09:12:19 AM 

Will everyone please shut up and let these two guys settle their 

business?????? 

CB :bigup: 


Post by: RyJ Smoker on March 31, 2011, 09:14:01 AM 

CK, if you're unable to come up with the full refund, but state that your cash 

offer and sticks exceeds said amount, why don't you sell said sticks, and add 

what funds you get from the sale(s) to what you offered and hopefully it'll 

come to the amount owed. 

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send your end out first as a sign of a good faith. 

Problem solved. 

Jeffrey L. 


Post by: RyJ Smoker on March 31, 2011, 09:18:13 AM 

Quote from: canadianbeaver on March 31, 2011, 09:12:19 AM 

Will everyone please shut up and let these two guys settle their business?????? 

CB :bigup: 

None of your posts in here (and most threads) are relevant. We're trying to 

help in getting this resolved. Unless you have something meaning to add to 

this thread, I'd suggest taking some of your own advice. 

Jeffrey L. 


Post by: randomhero1090 on March 31, 2011, 09:24:45 AM 

Quote from: RyJ Smoker on March 31, 2011, 09:14:01 AM 

CK, if you're unable to come up with the full refund, but state that your cash offer and sticks exceeds 

said amount, why don't you sell said sticks, and add what funds you get from the sale(s) to what you 

offered and hopefully it'll come to the amount owed. 

You may have a problem in finding a buyer, but I'd recommend offering to send your end out first as 

a sign of a good faith. 

Problem solved. 

Jeffrey L. 

I agree. If you have OR Blacks, Franks... They will sell. Post up pics, get 

insurance, DC, sig, etc etc. Heck, take a pic of the box itself with the label, 

return addy, etc etc. 

Not only will it help make things right, it will help restore your rep. 

Hope you guys work it out. 


Post by: jayro75 on March 31, 2011, 10:09:53 AM 

Quote from: CigarKid on March 31, 2011, 08:18:00 AM 

Does it matter how old I am, worry about yourself, bro! This doesn't involve, nor concern you! I 

really hope you are mature as you think, because you don't sound like it making this ignorant post, 

because I didn't answer your question? Even after TRYING to make things right, can't win with you 

guys... How about this, fuck you. That's how I feel right now, get a life, and stop worrying about 

other peoples business, don't you have a girlfriend to bide your time with? 

Actually this involves the entire community and when a sale goes bad it 

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out of your way to show just how naive you are about how things are 

supposed to work among adults. The way you're handling this and telling us 

all to f*@k ourselves isn't going to make anyone eager to trade with you in 

the future. Pay him back his money and accept responsibility for the 

situation. That's what a man does! 


Post by: Vegan702 on March 31, 2011, 12:35:19 PM 

Its pretty obvious Paul doesn't want your cigars, he either wants the cigars 

that he bought or his money refunded. It is not up to you to substitute cigars 

just because you thihk thay are great cigars. 


Post by: macsauce13 on March 31, 2011, 12:40:36 PM 


None of your posts in here (and most threads) are relevant. We're trying to help in getting this 

resolved. Unless you have something meaning to add to this thread, I'd suggest taking some of your 

own advice. 

Jeffrey L. 

Finally someone calls it out.... :clap: 


Post by: canadianbeaver on March 31, 2011, 12:55:15 PM 


None of your posts in here (and most threads) are relevant. We're trying to help in getting this 

resolved. Unless you have something meaning to add to this thread, I'd suggest taking some of your 

own advice. 

Jeffrey L. 

Ouch. 

OK 


Post by: RyJ Smoker on March 31, 2011, 01:12:17 PM 

Quote from: canadianbeaver on March 31, 2011, 12:55:15 PM 

Ouch. 

OK 

Didn't mean to come across as a jerk at all, CB. If I did, then I apologize. I 

just wanted you to realize that useless posts in a serious (whether it be in 

the BZ or not) thread, serve no purpose. Everyone in this thread has one 

goal in mind...getting it resolved.



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Again, I apologize if I hurt your feelings in any way. 

Jeffrey L. 



Well I will wipe my nose but back on page three or whatever this was 

resolved. CK said he was going to make it right and work it out with Paul. But 

the noobs just kept coming back in a jabbing for more. 

It was not meant to be useless at all. 

As for you, "none of your post are relevant"... nice. 

I will let the daycare keep on fighting. I am going back to work. 

CB 



I haven't heard back from Paul here or on CF. Based on this thread I am 

assuming his request for consideration for the scumbag list is withdrawn for 

now. 


Post by: Fuente Fan on March 31, 2011, 02:15:50 PM 

CK in your own words, "I've done multiple transaction without issue and as 

soon as I have an issue, which IMO, isn't even my fault, I'm a scum bag 

because I don't want to lose money over the PO's mistake." You admit right 

there it was not Paul's fault, so I am at a loss where he should share any of 

the blame?? If I bought a car or anything else, the deal is not done until it is 

in my hands. You never got to that part. It is sad but it becomes your loss if 

you can't get the PO to find it. 

As far as Paul taking your HTFs as payment. Everyone here has different 

tastes. You HTFs may mean nothing to someone else. Paul tried to buy 

something that he wanted. If that is not available he just wants his money 

back. 

CB, as bad as all of this sounds the people here do deserve an answer and to 

understand how this person thinks. This will have great bearing on what 

happens with him in the future. This is a sad case that should have never 

gotten to this point. 


Post by: macsauce13 on March 31, 2011, 02:25:34 PM 

Quote from: canadianbeaver on March 31, 2011, 01:18:26 PM



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Well I will wipe my nose but back on page three or whatever this was resolved. CK said he was going 

to make it right and work it out with Paul. But the noobs just kept coming back in a jabbing for 

more. 

It was not meant to be useless at all. 

As for you, "none of your post are relevant"... nice. 

I will let the daycare keep on fighting. I am going back to work. 

CB 

You've been here 2 months...You are a noob... 



Quote from: macsauce13 on March 31, 2011, 02:25:34 PM 

You've been here 2 months...You are a noob... 

Noob is not in only time, 

But in feedback, spinning coin and posts. 

Now let's crack out a Cuban and get rockin'. 

CB 

*edit* - removed the word twat 



Quote from: Fuente Fan on March 31, 2011, 02:15:50 PM 

CB, as bad as all of this sounds the people here do deserve an answer and to understand how this 

person thinks. This will have great bearing on what happens with him in the future. This is a sad 

case that should have never gotten to this point. 

Hey, if "people deserve and answer", carry on. 



CB, once CK posted that he would try to make this right, every post after 

that(save for mine) was a pat on the back telling him he made the right 

choice. Once Paulie posted his response- rejecting the offer of cigars- the 

discussion continued. 

Its here in the BZ for a reason- with CigarKid as a potential seller, this now 

involves anyone with an interest.



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Post by: jadeg001 on March 31, 2011, 03:59:45 PM 

Quote from: canadianbeaver on March 31, 2011, 02:49:08 PM 

Noob is not in only time, 

But in feedback, spinning coin and posts. 

Now let's crack out a Cuban and get rockin'. 

CB 

*edit* - removed the word twat 

It's important to remember that many of the members here have been on 

cigar boards for a while and have other forums that act as their "home base." 

So, some of the "noobs" have much more experience and knowledge than 

you think. 



It's all relative. To come in and keep bashing away after they guys said they 

were working it out was just IMO, enough already. 

But carry on if you want. 



CB one thing to keep in mind is that at least initially OLH served primarily as 

an outlet for CF sales. Many of the members here, regardless of join date on 

OLH, may have been on the bigger boards for a very long time, and known 

eachother many years prior to their join date here. They also may post more 

on their 'home boards' but still be watching here. For example, you have 

more posts here than I do in your two months and a spinning coin (which I 

do not). Does that make me a noob? Does it change things when I say I did 

the first trade on this board when it was reinacarnated? 

Point being, it would be inccorect to assume that you get the whole picture of 

what goes on here (on OLH) without looking beyond this board. 


Post by: FV593 on March 31, 2011, 04:07:42 PM 

That said.. 

Post Count does not equal Non Noob status 

nor does Feedback or tossing money at Wade. 

Experience,common sense,and contribution to the Forum community are 

what make you a valued member here or any other place. 

Just my 2 cents...carry on.



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Quote from: insight on March 31, 2011, 04:05:57 PM 

CB one thing to keep in mind is that at least initially OLH served primarily as an outlet for CF sales. 

Many of the members here, regardless of join date on OLH, may have been on the bigger boards for 

a very long time, and known eachother many years prior to their join date here. They also may post 

more on their 'home boards' but still be watching here. For example, you have more posts here than 

I do in your two months and a spinning coin (which I do not). Does that make me a noob? Does it 

change things when I say I did the first trade on this board when it was reinacarnated? 

Point being, it would be inccorect to assume that you get the whole picture of what goes on here (on 

OLH) without looking beyond this board. 

I am sorry I every brought it up. I was referring to reading comprehension 

more than anything else, based on a comment made by someone on their 

third post. 

I take it all back and wish I never said anything. 

CB 



That was a funny response from you :clap: 

I got your PM this morning, not sure if my response made it out of my 

blackberry or not. You pretty much showed your immature age on this 

thread all the way with your lack of accountability. Man up and quit trying to 

squirm your way outta this. What another member suggested sell your 

cigars and send Brooklyn the funds or send him the box he purchased from 

you. It's pretty simple to just be accountable and show that you're a stand 

up guy. 


Post by: TNT Cigarguy on March 31, 2011, 07:20:08 PM 

Paulie do we have his address if so and hes on the west coast somewhere 

and he does not make this right. I WILL go knock on his door for you. Yes 

you affect the whole community here. Paulie is one of them most stand up 

brothers here. So you can say all you want make it right PERIOD! 




Man up and quit trying to squirm your way outta this.... 

...It's pretty simple to just be accountable and show that you're a stand up guy. 

what ^he^ said. 


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So far only one kid has said that. 


Post by: XTR on March 31, 2011, 11:13:08 PM 


Does it change things when I say I did the first trade on this board when it was reinacarnated? 

...and I could tell you what he got. But I won't because some day I may use 

the answer as part of a contest. :cal: 



I still have one left Wade :D 


Post by: jerseycigar on April 01, 2011, 12:14:28 AM 

This was a great read. Thanks all ! :) 

Hopefully all is addressed and taken off-line. It doesn't take a rocket scientist 

to decipher the situation. 

Paulie is a standup guy ! Hope all works out for you ! 

CK - make it right ! 


Post by: betadawg on April 01, 2011, 12:42:45 AM 

This has been an interesting read. I cannot see risking ones reputation for 

this amount of money. You can always print more ;). 

That being said. What if seller offers insurance but the buyer declines to 

save a couple of bucks? Thoughts? 


Post by: jadeg001 on April 01, 2011, 01:07:03 AM 

Quote from: betadawg on April 01, 2011, 12:42:45 AM 

That being said. What if seller offers insurance but the buyer declines to save a couple of bucks? 

Thoughts? 

My opinion on this is that in that case the buyer is responsible, unless, there 

is proof that the seller provided the wrong address to the PO (i.e. the USPS 

website lists the wrong address). It may be a tough call if the seller claims 

the address was hand written because then you can get into the issue of 

whether the seller actually sent it, knowing that the buyer is responsible 

(unfortunately, this could happen).



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Post by: ivo on April 01, 2011, 01:40:32 AM 

Quote from: betadawg on April 01, 2011, 12:42:45 AM 

What if seller offers insurance but the buyer declines to save a couple of bucks? Thoughts? 

If a seller offers insurance and the buyer declines, then its on the buyer- I 

believe that was covered earlier in this thread. 

But a smart seller could simply include insurance in the price, and state that 

the the price includes insurance. 


Post by: terrantheman on April 02, 2011, 05:04:57 PM 

Doesn't surprise me this is still not handled. 


Post by: BklynNYCigarLover on April 02, 2011, 05:32:39 PM 

Looked like it was going to be............not sure what happened 


Post by: CigarKid on April 02, 2011, 05:49:56 PM 

Quote from: BklynNYCigarLover on April 02, 2011, 05:32:39 PM 

Looked like it was going to be............not sure what happened 

You're right, but I have guys starting with the letter T, harassing me and 

sending me stupid messages for no reason. 


Post by: CigarKid on April 02, 2011, 06:00:52 PM 

Quote from: CigarKid on April 02, 2011, 05:49:56 PM 

You're right, but I have guys starting with the letter T, harassing me and sending me stupid 

messages for no reason. 

How about we keep this between the people that are INVOLVED! Me and Paul 

ARE talking through PM's guys! Wow. 


Post by: BklynNYCigarLover on April 02, 2011, 08:38:20 PM 

We just reacched an agreement that will have me satisfied in about three 

weeks. I will let you know......... 

Thank you all for the support :cheers: 


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That is fantastic Paul! Keep us posted and good on you CK. 


Post by: nick2021 on April 02, 2011, 09:47:50 PM 

Quote from: terrantheman on April 02, 2011, 09:11:23 PM 

That is fantastic Paul! Keep us posted and good on you CK. 

x2, good to hear both sides were able to resolve this! 


Post by: insight on April 02, 2011, 10:41:57 PM 

Always best when things can be resolved. 


Post by: ivo on April 03, 2011, 02:13:42 AM 

Glad things look like they're getting sorted out. 


Post by: Fuente Fan on April 03, 2011, 12:25:52 PM 

Quote from: CigarKid on April 02, 2011, 06:00:52 PM 

How about we keep this between the people that are INVOLVED! Me and Paul ARE talking through 

PM's guys! Wow. 

Because this whole thing took place on the internet for all to see. This was 

not some conversation between two people that just happened to be 

overheard. 


Post by: BW on April 03, 2011, 01:38:58 PM 


CB one thing to keep in mind is that at least initially OLH served primarily as an outlet for CF sales. 

Many of the members here, regardless of join date on OLH, may have been on the bigger boards for 

a very long time, and known eachother many years prior to their join date here. They also may post 

more on their 'home boards' but still be watching here. For example, you have more posts here than 

I do in your two months and a spinning coin (which I do not). Does that make me a noob? Does it 

change things when I say I did the first trade on this board when it was reinacarnated? 

Point being, it would be inccorect to assume that you get the whole picture of what goes on here (on 

OLH) without looking beyond this board. 

Bravo. 


Post by: canadianbeaver on April 03, 2011, 03:20:58 PM 

Quote from: BW on April 03, 2011, 01:38:58 PM 

Bravo. 

Give it a rest already! I already said



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I am sorry I every brought it up. I was referring to reading comprehension 

more than anything else, based on a comment made by someone on their 

third post. 

I take it all back and wish I never said anything. 

CB 


Post by: Fuente Fan on April 11, 2011, 08:20:48 AM 

Was this ever resolved? 


Post by: BklynNYCigarLover on April 11, 2011, 08:30:55 AM 

Two payments down two payments to go 


Post by: BklynNYCigarLover on May 19, 2011, 10:43:32 AM 

Still waiting on the final two payments................... 


Post by: TNT Cigarguy on May 19, 2011, 11:06:57 AM 

wow paulie I hope he gets its done soon. 


Post by: Fuente Fan on May 19, 2011, 11:43:28 AM 

Let's go with the last 2 payments. It has been another month now! 


Post by: family guy on May 19, 2011, 01:04:32 PM 

Paulie, nice to know you have lay-away set up. Send me a few boxes. Ill pay 

ya back when the Red Sox win another WS title. :beer: 


Post by: kockroach on May 22, 2011, 08:45:31 PM 

Quote from: BklynNYCigarLover on May 19, 2011, 10:43:32 AM 


Quite a shame. Hope he ends up sending the last two payments. Then 

again, I don't know why he didn't send it all at once. Pay that man his 

money! (Think John Malkovich...with a bad Russian accent, in Rounders)



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Post by: ivo on May 22, 2011, 10:48:29 PM 



Sorry to hear that, Paulie. I hope this works out. 

Quote from: kockroach on May 22, 2011, 08:45:31 PM 

Pay that man his money! (Think John Malkovich...with a bad Russian accent, in Rounders) 

You know, I posted a video in General that has a guy that looks sort of like 

a trailer trash John Malkovich... 


Post by: terrantheman on May 23, 2011, 08:40:43 AM 

Has he communicated at the very least lately Paulie? 


Post by: BklynNYCigarLover on May 23, 2011, 11:04:00 AM 

Quote from: terrantheman on May 23, 2011, 08:40:43 AM 

Has he communicated at the very least lately Paulie? 

No 


Post by: kockroach on May 23, 2011, 11:53:52 AM 

That's a bunch of crap that he hasn't even communicated with you, Paulie. I 

just looked to see when his last post was on BOTL....been close to a month. 

Hope he sends you the rest of the money he owes you. 


Post by: terrantheman on May 23, 2011, 01:05:37 PM 

Figures, prolly thinks you should share in his loss like he originally was 

spouting out. 


Post by: GregoryD on May 24, 2011, 12:06:10 PM 

The difference between being a boy and being a man is knowing the 

difference between fault and responsibility. It may very well have not been 

CK's fault that the package had not been delivered, but he had a 

responsibility as a man to make sure that it was made right. Sometimes, as 

an adult, you gotta take one on the chin and shrug it off because it's the 

right thing to do. 

If your money is so tight that you can't come up with the $320 you already 

pocketed, then this is probably the wrong board for you to be selling on 

anyway, spinning coin or not.



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Post by: insight on May 24, 2011, 03:35:03 PM 

Paulie, obv let me know if things need to be escalated. 


Post by: lorglath on May 24, 2011, 05:35:17 PM 

I simply want to throw my opinion in at this point... 

CigarKid - Thank you for eventually doing the right thing, it sounds like this 

was a learning experience and I dont think the same mistakes will be made 

again. I don't think a flame war needs to be started here as long as the 

communication remains open between you and Brooklyn until the repayment 

is complete. Once that happens I don't think that you have lost any rep in 

my book. 

Brooklyn, sorry this happened but it is looking to work out in the end as it 

should have right away with some added headache and waiting. I am glad 

you are not out for it in the end. 


Post by: bpegler on May 24, 2011, 07:35:05 PM 

Quote from: lorglath on May 24, 2011, 05:35:17 PM 

I simply want to throw my opinion in at this point... 

CigarKid - Thank you for eventually doing the right thing, it sounds like this was a learning 

experience and I dont think the same mistakes will be made again. I don't think a flame war needs 

to be started here as long as the communication remains open between you and Brooklyn until the 

repayment is complete. Once that happens I don't think that you have lost any rep in my book. 

Brooklyn, sorry this happened but it is looking to work out in the end as it should have right away 

with some added headache and waiting. I am glad you are not out for it in the end. 

What on earth are you talking about? No one has been made whole here, it's 

an ongoing rip off. Re read the thread before making such absurd 

statements. 


Post by: lorglath on May 24, 2011, 10:41:49 PM 

Quote from: bpegler on May 24, 2011, 07:35:05 PM 

What on earth are you talking about? No one has been made whole here, it's an ongoing rip off. Re 

read the thread before making such absurd statements. 

From what I have read, CigarKid has made 1 out of 3 payments to make 

Brooklyn and at 3 payments he will be made whole. If you read my post I 

stated that I like that he has taken responsibility and has started down the 

path of making him whole... I mentioned that he needs to keep his 

communication up (which apparently he has been falling behind on a little 

bit, hence the encouragement). Also, I finished the statement saying when 

he finishes.... so please don't bash me, I am simply trying to give CigarKid a 

bit of a boost of encouragement to see his word though to completion.



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Post by: kockroach on May 24, 2011, 11:01:02 PM 

The problem is that CigarKid hasn't communicated with Paulie at all for over 

a month. Quite frankly, CK should have paid back all of the money at once. 

I don't see any reason why he would pay back the money in 4 parts. 


Post by: Angry Bill on May 25, 2011, 10:47:38 AM 

Quote from: kockroach on May 24, 2011, 11:01:02 PM 

The problem is that CigarKid hasn't communicated with Paulie at all for over a month. Quite frankly, 

CK should have paid back all of the money at once. I don't see any reason why he would pay back 

the money in 4 parts. 

Well said Jere. It is BS that this has not been made right. I know Brooklyn 

has got 2 of the 4 payments, but no communications is unacceptable. 

Brooklyn is a better man than I am, as I wouldn't have allowed payments. 

Please keep us posted. 



Quote from: GregoryD on May 24, 2011, 12:06:10 PM 

The difference between being a boy and being a man is knowing the difference between fault and 

responsibility. It may very well have not been CK's fault that the package had not been delivered, 

but he had a responsibility as a man to make sure that it was made right. Sometimes, as an adult, 

you gotta take one on the chin and shrug it off because it's the right thing to do. 

If your money is so tight that you can't come up with the $320 you already pocketed, then this is 

probably the wrong board for you to be selling on anyway, spinning coin or not. 

Very true words!! 



Quote from: lorglath on May 24, 2011, 10:41:49 PM 

From what I have read, CigarKid has made 1 out of 3 payments to make Brooklyn and at 3 payments 

he will be made whole. If you read my post I stated that I like that he has taken responsibility and 

has started down the path of making him whole... I mentioned that he needs to keep his 

communication up (which apparently he has been falling behind on a little bit, hence the 

encouragement). Also, I finished the statement saying when he finishes.... so please don't bash me, 

I am simply trying to give CigarKid a bit of a boost of encouragement to see his word though to 

completion. 

I guess you have not read this thread very close because he is not making it 

right. This is BS and he should be added to the scum bag list. 


Post by: Knuck42 on May 25, 2011, 01:27:59 PM 

Quote 

guess you have not read this thread very close because he is not making it right. This is BS and he 

should be added to the scum bag list



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^^^This^^^ 


Post by: BklynNYCigarLover on June 03, 2011, 12:50:48 AM 

Anyone see him on any other boards? Anyone see him at herfs? Anyone see 

him? 


Post by: kockroach on June 03, 2011, 01:16:31 AM 

Haven't seen him on BOTL for quite some time. Think he was last on there 

about a month ago. I also haven't seen him in the one B&M that I usually 

see him, but I haven't been able to get in there much lately. If I see him, I 

will remind him that he owes you money. 


Post by: kockroach on July 01, 2011, 12:17:06 PM 

Hey Paulie, 

Did you ever get the final payments, or even a PM from CK? 


Post by: insight on July 01, 2011, 02:22:45 PM 

What is the story Paulie? Is this guy still holding out on you? 


Post by: BklynNYCigarLover on July 06, 2011, 03:56:02 PM 

Never completed payments and hasn't responded to my messages 



Still nothing any see or hear from this shitbag 



LMK if you are ready for him to be added, seems past due at this point. 


Post by: terrantheman on July 18, 2011, 05:23:36 PM 

I would add him as he will not pay, figures for a little kid.



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Quote from: insight on July 18, 2011, 02:38:38 PM 

LMK if you are ready for him to be added, seems past due at this point. 

Unfortunately I believe it's time 



Paulie, shoot me over the details in a summary when you get a chance. PM 

or email is fine. 


Post by: grateful1 on September 08, 2011, 02:47:08 PM 

Quote from: insight on July 18, 2011, 06:08:55 PM 

Paulie, shoot me over the details in a summary when you get a chance. PM or email is fine. 

Has this one been resolved? 


Post by: insight on September 08, 2011, 04:26:48 PM 

No, Paulie just needs to send me the details so I know what to put up for 

review. 


Post by: grateful1 on September 08, 2011, 04:29:31 PM 

Quote from: insight on September 08, 2011, 04:26:48 PM 

No, Paulie just needs to send me the details so I know what to put up for review. 

Is this guys first name 'Marc'? 


Post by: jimbobber on September 08, 2011, 06:15:09 PM 

Seems clear that he only intended to pay half since he was claiming to not be 

at fault for the loss. 


Post by: plush on September 09, 2011, 11:33:00 PM 

Quote from: grateful1 on September 08, 2011, 04:29:31 PM 

Is this guys first name 'Marc'? 

Nope, Anthony.



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Post by: terrantheman on September 25, 2011, 10:32:31 AM 

He's posting again at botl, I'm sure it won't be long before he starts 

wandering back this way, lmao. 


Post by: BklynNYCigarLover on September 25, 2011, 12:54:33 PM 

What a blow job! 


Post by: kockroach on October 01, 2011, 10:07:19 AM 

I've seen him post a few times about different hard to find beers lately over 

on BOTL. 

Definitely think he deserves to be put on the list now. 


Post by: tstoner86 on October 01, 2011, 10:11:06 AM 

People honestly think they will get away with this shit? Like if he waits a 

while to post everyone will just forget his past bad dealings. LOL! 

Eyes are everywhere! :) 


Post by: terrantheman on December 18, 2011, 12:43:49 PM 

Topper! He needs to be on the list all the proof is right here. 


Post by: APBTMarcel on December 19, 2011, 03:58:44 AM 

Anyone PM him on BOTL and "remind" him of this post - as if he would 

forget? 


Post by: kockroach on December 30, 2011, 08:19:05 AM 

Quote from: APBTMarcel on December 19, 2011, 03:58:44 AM 

Anyone PM him on BOTL and "remind" him of this post - as if he would forget? 

Pretty sure he doesn't care. I had seen him a few times at a B&M we're both 

members at in the Chicago area....he was playing poker. 

I think it is time this little punk kid was placed on the Scumbag list. 


Post by: APBTMarcel on December 30, 2011, 03:41:15 PM



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True, if he has a locker at the cigar shop or if you see his cigar sitting around 

whip your grundle with it then let him smoke it. 


Post by: gibbleguts on January 12, 2012, 12:05:43 AM 

He is claiming this has been settled on BOTL. Would be great to see him on 

the list to properly warn people about him 


Post by: AlohaStyle on January 12, 2012, 01:37:00 AM 

Quote from: gibbleguts on January 12, 2012, 12:05:43 AM 

He is claiming this has been settled on BOTL. Would be great to see him on the list to properly warn 

people about him 

What's his name on BOTL? I didn't see CigarKid listed as a member... 


Post by: BklynNYCigarLover on January 12, 2012, 02:03:54 AM 

I just posted on that thread 

http://www.botl.org/community/forums/showthread.php?t=58287&page=2 

(http://www.botl.org/community/forums/showthread.php?t=58287&page=2) 


Post by: AlohaStyle on January 12, 2012, 02:33:10 AM 

Yeah, just saw it now... TheCigarKid 



Not sure how or why but earlier this morning he and I had a little back and 

fourth on BOTL with and now it's gone 


Post by: terrantheman on January 12, 2012, 08:56:39 AM 

I think he might be in the process of being banned. 


Post by: jayro75 on January 12, 2012, 09:01:06 AM 

Most likely the admin at BOTL deleted all the posts. They have a habit of 

sanitizing anything that may be considered controversial.



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The fact that he is now lying about it being taken care of should surely be 

enough to put him on the list! 


Post by: mthhurley on January 12, 2012, 10:41:50 AM 

Quote from: jayro75 on January 12, 2012, 09:01:06 AM 

Most likely the admin at BOTL deleted all the posts. They have a habit of sanitizing anything that 

may be considered controversial. 

I tend to believe that if it's drama from another board, it doesn't belong 

there...belongs where it started (i.e. here). 



Quote from: mthhurley on January 12, 2012, 10:41:50 AM 

I tend to believe that if it's drama from another board, it doesn't belong there...belongs where it 

started (i.e. here). 

I agree with you in a sense. I posted at the end of my post on BOTL that I 

wouldnt be commenting any further on that thread I supplied a link to this 

thread and said if he would like to discuss it further to come here BUT being 

he stole from me and he is a complete moron and tool I think it should have 

been left there for all to see. Unfortunately the B in BOTL doesn't stand for 

Brooklyn so I have no control how they run there board. 



Quote from: BklynNYCigarLover on January 12, 2012, 10:46:46 AM 

I agree with you in a sense. I posted at the end of my post on BOTL that I wouldnt be commenting 

any further on that thread I supplied a link to this thread and said if he would like to discuss it further 

to come here BUT being he stole from me and he is a complete moron and tool I think it should have 

been left there for all to see. Unfortunately the B in BOTL doesn't stand for Brooklyn so I have no 

control how they run there board. 

That's pretty funny Paulie! 


Post by: jayro75 on January 12, 2012, 11:22:05 AM 

Quote from: mthhurley on January 12, 2012, 10:41:50 AM 

I tend to believe that if it's drama from another board, it doesn't belong there...belongs where it 

started (i.e. here). 

Drama implies arguing over nonsense and conflict of personality etc. This 

little shitheel stole from Paulie and that is universal. For the greater good of 

the cigar community that content is best left for all to view. That's my 

opinion but others may disagree.



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Post by: insight on January 12, 2012, 03:36:50 PM 

Guys, i have been ready to add him to the list forever but I need his name. 

info and whatever emails etc. To do it. 


Post by: BklynNYCigarLover on January 12, 2012, 03:43:00 PM 

You will have it all tonight after dinner. I just got home gonna make chicken 

soup. Wife and baby are sick. Thank God for my Mom and MIL!!!!!!! 


Post by: CigarKid on January 12, 2012, 04:32:11 PM 

Well, if you're gonna' keep lien', why don't you just send me the money I 

gave you back with the HTF sticks I sent you? Than you can put me on the 

list, but until then I don't deserve it and you know it! It's like a cigar board 

gang bang, and it's pretty sad... As if I never sent him money or cigars.... 

Hmmm. Whatever, then you wonder why I haven't been on OLH for months, 

and this is STILL going on. So, I guess I'll be expecting my money back and 

cigars before I get put on the list, because if I get put on the list after the 

fact, then you deserve to be on the last as well, Paulie for stealing my money 

and cigars I sent you that I got 00000000 zero credit for. 



Just received this message from cigarkid boy wonder 

"Well, you can send me back the sticks I sent you and the money since your 

being a piece of shit about this anyways. Way to be a salty cock sucker, and 

still talking shit, not to mention on OTHER FORUMS where you don't even 

belong to. Get a fucking life dude, and send me my money back, or stop 

bitching. I did what I can for your ass to not be crying like a little bitch." 

I find this funny because I dont care and im far from crying hell im not even 

bitching 



You deserved that after all the insane messages I got from you. I was 

actually going to tell you to post that publicly but I knew you would anyways. 

You want to take what I give you and still be a cock sucker about it, you';; 

get talked to like that! 



Quote from: BklynNYCigarLover on January 12, 2012, 04:32:33 PM 

Just received this message from cigarkid boy wonder



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"Well, you can send me back the sticks I sent you and the money since your being a piece of shit 

about this anyways. Way to be a salty cock sucker, and still talking shit, not to mention on OTHER 

FORUMS where you don't even belong to. Get a fucking life dude, and send me my money back, or 

stop bitching. I did what I can for your ass to not be crying like a little bitch." 

I find this funny because I dont care and im far from crying hell im not even bitching 

Cigarboy what dont you understand we made a deal 80 dollars worth of 

cigars and three payments of 80 dollars totaling 320 dollars. You sent the 

cigars and one payment of 80 dollars. that would mean you still owe me 160 

dollars. Not only didnt you send me the money but you were incommunicado 

for almost a year. 



Do you think I care how you talk to me? I take bigger shits then you! Also I 

told you a while back anything you have to say to me say it on this thread so 

all can see what your all about. 



Another message from boywonder "You think you're gonna get my money 

and cigars while still being a POS and getting me put on the list? You can 

send my money and cigars back then." 



I'd like one other person on any other forum I frequent to have anything bad 

to say about me, in terms of deals. It won't happen cause I'ver never had an 

issue in years. Sorry you're too much of an asshole and thinking 

harassing/talking shit via PM making yourself look better is gonna' work out 

well for you. So stop trying to make it out like I scam people. You're the only 

person I've talked shit to and I wonder why... Maybe I should post all the 

PM's I got from you, to show how much of a dick head you are! 



Explain how im being a peace of shit please 


Post by: grateful1 on January 12, 2012, 04:43:02 PM 

Quote from: CigarKid on January 12, 2012, 04:32:11 PM 

Well, if you're gonna' keep lien', why don't you just send me the money I gave you back with the HTF 

sticks I sent you? Than you can put me on the list, but until then I don't deserve it and you know it! 

It's like a cigar board gang bang, and it's pretty sad... As if I never sent him money or cigars.... 

Hmmm. Whatever, then you wonder why I haven't been on OLH for months, and this is STILL going 

on. So, I guess I'll be expecting my money back and cigars before I get put on the list, because if I 

get put on the list after the fact, then you deserve to be on the last as well, Paulie for stealing my 

money and cigars I sent you that I got 00000000 zero credit for.



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Gang Bang....Where?!?!?!? 

Anyhow...it's simple: 

Do you owe bNYcl anything? 

Does he owe you anything? 

And please...keep it simple. 

Thanks. 



If I get put on the list: He owes me money and cigars. If I don't get put on 

the list: He don't owe me anything 



Quote from: grateful1 on January 12, 2012, 04:43:02 PM 

Gang Bang....Where?!?!?!? 

Anyhow...it's simple: 

Do you owe bNYcl anything? 

Does he owe you anything? 

And please...keep it simple. 

Thanks. 

I had about 4 other people calling me names on another forum due to this 

whole transaction, and 3/4 of those people I know personally from a lounge. 

But none of those people have ever come up to me and said a word, just like 

to talk crap behind their computer screen.. Kinda' sad and immature if you 

ask me. 




I'd like one other person on any other forum I frequent to have anything bad to say about me, in 

terms of deals. It won't happen cause I'ver never had an issue in years. Sorry you're too much of an 

asshole and thinking harassing/talking shit via PM making yourself look better is gonna' work out well 

for you. So stop trying to make it out like I scam people. You're the only person I've talked shit to 

and I wonder why... Maybe I should post all the PM's I got from you, to show how much of a dick 

head you are! 

If you would like someone from another board to say anything bad about you 

send them a link to this thread. Im not making like you scam people. Im just 

letting people know what happened with our deal and so far not one of these 

people that are in the know have agreed with you. As far as the PM's I sent 

you post away I have nothing to hide. All they'll show is my anger and 

frustration dealing with you.



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If I get put on the list: He owes me money and cigars. If I don't get put on the list: He don't owe me 

anything 

That's not really simple know is it? 

Really simple is: 

Yes, I owe him. 

No, I do not owe him. 

Yes, he owes me. 

No, He does not owe me. 

Pick one..or two. 

As far as the Gang Bang...this thread is worthless without photos! 

:tears: 



You ALL forget I sent him money and cigars trying to make it right, and Paul 

was still being an asshole to me, making me look bad. So as far as I'm 

concerned he can go kick rocks. 



Maybe if he was civil about it and not an asshole via PM when it wasn't my 

fault to begin with we'd both be in a better position. But he don't deserve 

respect if he wants to act like a child and talk out of his ass. 



Still waiting for someone else to chime in and say I scam people or rob 

them... Oh wait that never happened! So what type of person are you trying 

to prove I am? One that don't take your bullshit, Paulie? Or anyone else for 

that matter. If anyone has something to say to me, PM me your phone # and 

I'll gladly talk to you or in person. 




Still waiting for someone else to chime in and say I scam people or rob them... Oh wait that never 

happened! So what type of person are you trying to prove I am? One that don't take your bullshit,



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Paulie? Or anyone else for that matter. If anyone has something to say to me, PM me your phone # 

and I'll gladly talk to you or in person. 


Maybe if he was civil about it and not an asshole via PM when it wasn't my fault to begin with we'd 

both be in a better position. But he don't deserve respect if he wants to act like a child and talk out 

of his ass. 


You ALL forget I sent him money and cigars trying to make it right, and Paul was still being an 

asshole to me, making me look bad. So as far as I'm concerned he can go kick rocks. 

These didn't answer the question. 






You were supposed to send me 80 dollars worth of cigars and three 

payments of 80 dollars. You only sent the cigars and 80 dollars that means 

you still owe me 160 dollars. I was being an asshole because I dont like to be 

abused! I am not making you look bad you are! 




Still waiting for someone else to chime in and say I scam people or rob them... Oh wait that never 

happened! So what type of person are you trying to prove I am? One that don't take your bullshit, 

Paulie? Or anyone else for that matter. If anyone has something to say to me, PM me your phone # 

and I'll gladly talk to you or in person. 

Give it some time im sure youll get what you want as far as others chiming 

in. Im not trying to prove your anything. You are doing it yourself. I offered 

you my number long ago and you didnt call. If you would llike to come to NY 

please do I would love to show you around the city. 


Post by: likescarsz28 on January 12, 2012, 04:57:19 PM 

CigarKid, 

You ripped off Paulie, plain and simple. You can try to spin it anyway you 

want, but from this point forward, you are considered an internet cigar forum 

bad guy. I have never spoken or written a single word to Paulie in my life 

but, I (like hundreds of others) respect him for his actions that I have 

witnessed from afar. He "gets it" and you don't. 

I don't know you from Adam but I will tell you this, you ripped off Paulie and 

it will never be forgotten.



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Take your ball and go home. You will be exposed at any cigar forum you are 

discovered. 



How did I rip him off? Are you saying I never sent the cigars? there was 

proof of that, and I don't even like the cigars I sent him so why would I keep 

them? If I stole the cigars then I would be ripping him off. But I haven't seen 

that box since the day I packed it. 




Give it some time im sure youll get what you want as far as others chiming in. Im not trying to prove 

your anything. You are doing it yourself. I offered you my number long ago and you didnt call. If you 

would llike to come to NY please do I would love to show you around the city. 

Ha, you can come to Chicago... I don't like dirty shit holes. 



Quote from: BklynNYCigarLover on April 11, 2011, 08:30:55 AM 

Two payments down two payments to go 







Quote from: BklynNYCigarLover on July 06, 2011, 03:56:02 PM 

Never completed payments and hasn't responded to my messages 



Questions? 




How did I rip him off? Are you saying I never sent the cigars? there was proof of that, and I don't 

even like the cigars I sent him so why would I keep them? If I stole the cigars then I would be 

ripping him off. But I haven't seen that box since the day I packed it. 

You agreed to send $80.00 worth of cigars and three payments of $80.00.



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Unless I misunderstood Paulie's post, it looks like you still owe two $80.00 

installments. You wrote on this thread that you were going to reneg on the 

deal and not pay him the remaining $160.00. Am I missing something? If 

not, you screwed a guy that is well liked and has an ocean of good Karma. 


Post by: mthhurley on January 12, 2012, 05:12:30 PM 





Cigarboy what dont you understand we made a deal 80 dollars worth of cigars and three payments of 

80 dollars totaling 320 dollars. You sent the cigars and one payment of 80 dollars. that would mean 

you still owe me 160 dollars. Not only didnt you send me the money but you were incommunicado 

for almost a year. 

Is his statement true or false? 


Post by: hababa on January 12, 2012, 05:13:23 PM 


I'd like one other person on any other forum I frequent to have anything bad to say about me, in 

terms of deals. It won't happen cause I'ver never had an issue in years. Sorry you're too much of an 

asshole and thinking harassing/talking shit via PM making yourself look better is gonna' work out well 

for you. So stop trying to make it out like I scam people. You're the only person I've talked shit to 

and I wonder why... Maybe I should post all the PM's I got from you, to show how much of a dick 

head you are! 

This guy is an obvious douchebag, everyone knows dickhead is one word. 



Quote from: likescarsz28 on January 12, 2012, 05:04:59 PM 

You agreed to send $80.00 worth of cigars and three payments of $80.00. Unless I misunderstood 

Paulie's post, it looks like you still owe two $80.00 installments. You wrote on this thread that you 

were going to reneg on the deal and not pay him the remaining $160.00. Am I missing something? If 

not, you screwed a guy that is well liked and has an ocean of good Karma. 

Even if he did send the 160 now where has he been for almost a year? No 

communication at all. Come on now thats a scumbag!!!!!! 





You must be a young man because from a distance, your thinking appears 

immature. Maybe I am wrong (which happens quite often) but you seem like 

a spoiled brat that is pretty self absorbed. You seem to be very interested 

when you percieve that others are "disrespecting you". As you get older, I 

hope you discover that "self respect" is more important. Making good on your



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commitments and doing the right thing are key to self respect. 

In this life, you are measured by results, not effort. You can endeavor to 

send someone a package, but if it doesn't arrive, you are responsible to 

make it right. If you do not like those rules, insure the package or don't sell 

or trade. 

I have been to Brooklyn, have you CigarKid? There are good parts and bad 

just like Chicago. Only difference is, I would feel safer walking the streets of 

Brooklyn. By calling Paulies home a shithole, you are being petty. 

You are the only one that can make good on this deal. If any of the rest of us 

tried to send him something to cover your commitment, Paulie would 

probably send a return package that was of greater value than he received. 

Then we would send something else and the whole thing would just be 

insane. 

Paulie has done more for others in the cigar community than you deserve to 

know. 


Post by: hendy on January 12, 2012, 05:35:10 PM 

Sounds to me like someone owes someone. 

What would be interesting to see is cboys play by play (in honesty) of the 

transaction since it started. Bitching back and forth about "making it good" 

makes no sense to me. If cboy is/was such an outstanding cigar person, why 

did the "making good" need to take place. 

BCL is a highly respected individual with quite a bit of history on many 

boards and many shops. To try and lower his street cred would be a waste 

of your time and nothing but entertainment for the masses. 

And I wouldn't start slinging shit about cities "cboy". Youre not hard to find if 

you piss off the wrong person too much. I'm not threatening you, just trying 

to advise you on what you say and to whom. There's a lot of eyes on this 

site. 


Post by: APBTMarcel on January 12, 2012, 05:50:32 PM 



Kettle black. 


Post by: jayro75 on January 12, 2012, 09:00:51 PM 

Quote from: CigarKid on January 12, 2012, 04:47:25 PM



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I had about 4 other people calling me names on another forum due to this whole transaction, and 3/4 

of those people I know personally from a lounge. But none of those people have ever come up to me 

and said a word, just like to talk crap behind their computer screen.. Kinda' sad and immature if you 

ask me. 

When people who know you in real life are calling you a scumbag on the 

boards it tells alot about the type of person you are. The fact you don't 

realize that is really pathetic. 


Post by: insight on January 12, 2012, 09:18:35 PM 

CK did you pay him all the money you owed him? 


Post by: moki on January 12, 2012, 11:49:58 PM 


If I get put on the list: He owes me money and cigars. If I don't get put on the list: He don't owe me 

anything 

:o 


Post by: Fuente Fan on January 12, 2012, 11:58:15 PM 

Put him on the list, he is a scumbag. $160 a year later without 

communications. :kissa: 



The proof is all in this thread from the point that you didn't insure said 

package and you couldn't prove where it was shipped to... You then acted 

like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum as you are now again to no 

surprise really. You told Paulie you would make it right sent a partial 

payment and then stopped your communication all together. In fact you 

kinda just disappeared for awhile and my guess would be is that your childish 

enough to think we would all just forget. Now you want to get back into the 

swing of things with this hobby and low and behold nobody has forgotten and 

you can't even play at your home site cuz you've been outted for the 

immature brat that you are! 


Post by: insight on January 13, 2012, 01:41:00 AM 

FWIW there is nothing at all that makes me think Paulie has been anything 

other than totally on the level. If you chose not to pay him back because 

you didn't like something he said it just makes you a thief with an 

entitlement complex, not morally or behaviorally superior. If Paulie had sent 

me your contact info 6 months ago you would have been on the list then. In 

fact the only reason you aren't on the list is because nobody told me what 

your details are.



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On a side note, I would like to see your logical argument for how Paulie owes 

you money regardless of anything else that goes on. 


Post by: shortystogie on January 13, 2012, 02:22:15 AM 

Hey all, 

I normally don't get involved in things like these... but 13 pages later, I felt 

compelled to put in my 2 cents. 

Paulie, I am truly sorry for your loss. The only thing worse than a deal gone 

sour is one that goes sour over a year and 13 pages of a thread. I hope that 

the good-will you have gained over the course of this by other forum 

member (including myself) helps soften the blow a little. 

CK, I'm not gonna do this for you, but if you hash out the 6-7 facts of this 

case and cut straight to the core of the matter, you will realize that you still 

owe someone some money. Chances are, however, that you will not, and 

you will cloud the issue with how rude he was, and how you're getting gang 

banged, and how you're being bullied into the being put on the SL... and end 

up ignoring the issue totally. 

Fair enough. 

Others can only help you see straight up till a point, and then will go about 

their daily business, leaving you to deal with the ashes. 

My request to the others is this: Let's cut this short. We have all wasted 

enough time and effort with this subject. I hope against hope that Paulie 

gets made whole on his loss, but I seriously doubt this will happen... at least 

not by CigarKid. 

The Powers That Be should put him on the list, put a short note at the end of 

this thread that this has been done, and just move on. 

And good luck to you Paulie... Hope this works out for you in other ways. 

That's all I had to say.... 

Fauzi 


Post by: mneadle on January 13, 2012, 07:32:02 AM 

CigarKid - you owe Paulie $160 and have for a year. Whether or not you like 

his PM's you still owe him. 

I didn't like the guy in BestBuy but I still had to pay for my TV. 


Post by: moki on January 13, 2012, 01:19:49 PM



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Quote from: shortystogie on January 13, 2012, 02:22:15 AM 

Hey all, 

I normally don't get involved in things like these... but 13 pages later, I felt compelled to put in my 2 

cents. 

Paulie, I am truly sorry for your loss. The only thing worse than a deal gone sour is one that goes 

sour over a year and 13 pages of a thread. I hope that the good-will you have gained over the 

course of this by other forum member (including myself) helps soften the blow a little. 

CK, I'm not gonna do this for you, but if you hash out the 6-7 facts of this case and cut straight to 

the core of the matter, you will realize that you still owe someone some money. Chances are, 

however, that you will not, and you will cloud the issue with how rude he was, and how you're 

getting gang banged, and how you're being bullied into the being put on the SL... and end up 

ignoring the issue totally. 

Fair enough. 

Others can only help you see straight up till a point, and then will go about their daily business, 

leaving you to deal with the ashes. 

My request to the others is this: Let's cut this short. We have all wasted enough time and effort 

with this subject. I hope against hope that Paulie gets made whole on his loss, but I seriously doubt 

this will happen... at least not by CigarKid. 

The Powers That Be should put him on the list, put a short note at the end of this thread that this has 

been done, and just move on. 

And good luck to you Paulie... Hope this works out for you in other ways. 

That's all I had to say.... 

Fauzi 

agreed, and well-stated. 



Quote from: mneadle on January 13, 2012, 07:32:02 AM 

I didn't like the guy in BestBuy but I still had to pay for my TV. 

Soooo, the BestBuy boycott is over? I don't remember getting the memo. ;) 



Anyone have his info? Name number address etc 



All I have is a PO Box address for him, sorry Paulie! 


Post by: Grammaton Cleric on January 17, 2012, 05:33:18 AM 

So, far searching online I have found the following: 

Full name: Anthony sutton



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Location: Chicago, illinois 

One of his email addresses used: glassfreeek@yahoo.com 

Possibly in law school or studying prelaw. 

On beenverified.com there is only one anthony sutton in Chicago that comes 

up, and he is 24 years old. The full name was Anthony e sutton. If anyone 

had the mind to pay for the background search they would find more. 

On a funny note. On a porntube site there is a member by the name of 

"CigarKid" that has favorited numerous videos. Every video has to do with a 

guy jerking off alone or jerking off while smoking a cigar...not that there is 

anything wrong with that. if you google "cigarkid" his profile(and favorite 

videos) comes up in the search results. 



He is a regular at Casa de Monte Cristo in Countryside, IL. 


Post by: tksamtec on January 17, 2012, 07:15:48 AM 

Quote from: Grammaton Cleric on Today at 05:33:18 AM 

So, far searching online I have found the following: 

Full name: Anthony sutton 

Location: Chicago, illinois 

One of his email addresses used: glassfreeek@yahoo.com 

Possibly in law school or studying prelaw. 

On beenverified.com there is only one anthony sutton in Chicago that comes up, and he is 24 years 

old. The full name was Anthony e sutton. If anyone had the mind to pay for the background search 

they would find more. 

Nice work !! 

Quote from: Grammaton Cleric on Today at 05:33:18 AM 

On a funny note. On a porntube site there is a member by the name of "CigarKid" that has favorited 

numerous videos. Every video has to do with a guy jerking off alone or jerking off while smoking a 

cigar...not that there is anything wrong with that. if you google "cigarkid" his profile(and favorite 

videos) comes up in the search results. 

Way too much information !! :rotf: 


Post by: Knuck42 on January 17, 2012, 08:47:57 AM 

Wonder if he's related to a mailman named Cory :smiley-cool: (Inside joke 

at CF.)



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Post by: macsauce13 on January 17, 2012, 12:22:27 PM 

I know this doesn't make it any better for CK (and I don't want it to, screw 

him), but I for one am willing to throw in $80.00 to help make Paul whole. 

Can't afford the whole thing but who will jump in with me and show CK how 

things SHOULD work in this world? 



Absolutely not! I couldn't accept it. But thank you! 


Post by: ekert on January 17, 2012, 01:58:59 PM 

I'm sure $160 isn't going to force Paulie and his family have to eat ramen for 

the next two weeks. 

It's not the money, it's the principle of being fucked out of what is owed to 

you... whether it be $10, $160, or $10,000. 

Cigarassholekid needs to go on the scumbag list for GP, whether he 

eventually pays Pauly or not. 

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