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<strong>Silent</strong> <strong>Partners</strong>: <strong>Ch<strong>in</strong>ese</strong> <strong>Jo<strong>in</strong>t</strong> <strong>Ventures</strong> <strong>in</strong> <strong>North</strong> <strong>Korea</strong> Transcript 32<br />

bank work<strong>in</strong>g here, like I said, there’s no letters of credit. Now, there is bank<strong>in</strong>g facilities, but I<br />

don’t see the government specifically, It’s government, I th<strong>in</strong>k the bullet was governmentfacilitated<br />

and led, but not directed. So, I don’t see a lot of direct support, it’s not f<strong>in</strong>anced, you<br />

don’t have a big pool, but that said, there’s a lot of capital slosh<strong>in</strong>g around <strong>in</strong> Ch<strong>in</strong>a that’s been a<br />

result of this constant pump-prim<strong>in</strong>g s<strong>in</strong>ce 1997. And I th<strong>in</strong>k that’s given people a lot of access, I<br />

mean there’s been a lot of wealth generated and there’s not a lot of places to put your money <strong>in</strong><br />

Ch<strong>in</strong>a. I’m not an economist here, so I hesitate to get <strong>in</strong>to this too deeply but where do you put<br />

your money <strong>in</strong> Ch<strong>in</strong>a that’s safe Stock market’s volatile, not a lot of access, and aga<strong>in</strong>, if you’re<br />

<strong>in</strong> Jil<strong>in</strong> Prov<strong>in</strong>ce, what are your choices If you’re a local level, if you’re Hunchun City you’re<br />

not really th<strong>in</strong>k<strong>in</strong>g about how we’re go<strong>in</strong>g to get that new deal <strong>in</strong> Germany, you know. <strong>North</strong><br />

<strong>Korea</strong>’s right there and you’re speak<strong>in</strong>g <strong>Korea</strong>n and you’ve got this competitive advantage. One<br />

of the po<strong>in</strong>ts <strong>in</strong> the report is you don’t have a lot of competition <strong>in</strong> <strong>North</strong> <strong>Korea</strong> from other<br />

pockets of <strong>Korea</strong>n speakers. Jae here speaks beautiful <strong>Korea</strong>n, he can’t go open a company <strong>in</strong><br />

<strong>North</strong> <strong>Korea</strong>. If he could, he’d probably have more to offer than that guy from Hunchun. Well,<br />

accord<strong>in</strong>g to some of the research, the <strong>North</strong> <strong>Korea</strong>ns are very careful to weed out South <strong>Korea</strong>ns<br />

pos<strong>in</strong>g as ethnic <strong>Ch<strong>in</strong>ese</strong> who are then go<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> to <strong>in</strong>vest. So, they have a captive market. And I<br />

th<strong>in</strong>k that was also mentioned <strong>in</strong> the John Park report and holds true with all of my f<strong>in</strong>d<strong>in</strong>gs is<br />

that the <strong>North</strong> <strong>Korea</strong>ns don’t have a lot of choices either. They’re not able to go and access<br />

<strong>in</strong>ternational markets, they’re not do<strong>in</strong>g arbitrage on the London Exchange to try to figure out<br />

whether, or even have access enough to the <strong>in</strong>ternet or, you know, a cell phone to figure out<br />

whether or not the offer that this <strong>Ch<strong>in</strong>ese</strong> guy just gave per ton of copper is competitive with<br />

market. So, I th<strong>in</strong>k what a lot of these traders can do is essentially arbitrage with <strong>North</strong> <strong>Korea</strong>n<br />

commodities. So you can get coal com<strong>in</strong>g out of <strong>North</strong> <strong>Korea</strong>, coal, copper, any easily-tradable<br />

commodity where there’s a high demand. Aga<strong>in</strong>, Ch<strong>in</strong>a consumes a quarter of the world’s<br />

copper, so you get any copper out of one of the big m<strong>in</strong>es and, you know, Haesong, Musan are<br />

both two big iron and copper m<strong>in</strong>es and they’re right there on the border so you get decent<br />

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