BAXTER: MARINE RESEARCH COMMmEE AND <strong>CalCOFI</strong><strong>CalCOFI</strong> Rep., <strong>Vol</strong>. XXIII, <strong>1982</strong>and just enough to improve our preliminary appraisalsof the magnitude of the anchovy resource. During thisphase, a limit of 200,000 tons should be placed on theanchovy fishery, and the sardine fishery should belimited to 10,000 tons. Percentages were also establishedfor north and south of the Baja <strong>California</strong> border.The amounts to be removed during phase 11, and theareal distribution of the limits of these species mustawait the results of phase I. We hazarded a guess atthat time that during phase I1 the anchovy quota mightbe raised about fifty percent, providing the results ofphase I are not widely different from preliminary expectations.Phase 111, we felt, couldn’t be specified at all beyondindicating its objective, which was to restore thepredecline balance between sardines and anchoviesand maximize the harvest consistent with all usesfood,recreation, and so forth.Although the great experiment really has nevercome off, as a result of <strong>CalCOFI</strong>’s and MRC’s activeparticipation in the program, the Fish and GameCommission took a big step in 1964. They changedtheir policy on allowing the reduction of anchovies,which had been banned since about 1920, and permitteda quota of 75,000 tons. Because of many restrictionsand small fishing zones, it was almost impossiblefor the fishery to really develop.A fishery has continued since, with catches of up to165,000 tons. Opposition by sportsmen and even othercommercia1 groups was so great over the years that thefishery has never operated as the “experiment” thatthe proposal called for.Anyway, shortly after receiving his Ph.D. in late1965, Murphy left <strong>CalCOFI</strong> and took a position at theUniversity of Hawaii. In fact, I am told he is the onlyperson known who went from a graduate student to afull professor and took a cut in pay! Phil Roedel, whoreally should be up here instead of me, succeededDick Croker as secretary of MRC and was named theacting coordinator after Murphy left, a position heheld until the mid-seventies. Then Marston Sargentcame on and served as the MRC coordinator frommid-1971 until his retirement in 1974. Thereafter, Iguess a number of people have served as coordinator-HerbFrey, I know, for a number of years,then George Hemingway, and now Reuben Lasker.I was asked to speak on the role of MRC and Cal-COFI, and what I have discussed is a combination oftheir roles and a history of their activities. The MarineResearch Committee was established at a time whenthe sardine fishery was showing very strong signs ofoverfishing. <strong>California</strong> Fish and Game was urgingcurtailment of the catch, and had been for a number ofyears. Others were questioning that fishing was thecause of the failure of the sardine fishery. The industryagreed to tax itself to fund needed studies. Whatstarted as a delaying tactic to avoid management resultedin a research program that has provided muchbetter understanding of the <strong>California</strong> Current system,and technological development that otherwise mightnot have been possible.Of course, we lost the sardine, and I leave it to youto decide whether it was all worth it. <strong>CalCOFI</strong> continuestoday even without MRC. Would it have gottenstarted and prospered as it has without the small startMRC provided, without the coordination made possibleby MRC, without the political clout that MRC andits members exerted, which resulted in added fundingfrom other sources for furthering the <strong>CalCOFI</strong> researchprogram? Again, you decide. Thank you.* * *Lasker: Jack, I wonder if you would consider today’svery large anchovy fishery as the experiment you weretalking about, considering that a total of 300,000 tonsof anchovy is now being taken from both sides of theborder.Baxter: I considered that, and I conveniently left itout, but, yes, I agree. Of course, it hasn’t gone on forthree years. We haven’t monitored as closely, I think,as our origial experiment envisioned. But even withthe drop in anchovy biomass on our side of the borderin recent years, the sardine has failed to reestablishitself. It makes me wonder, too, but I still think it wasworth the try.Question: Jack, may I answer Lasker’s question?The reason we can’t really come off with the experimentis that there are not enough sardines left. Rememberthat we were going to cut the harvest of thesardines to 10,OOO tons. At this time I don’t think thereare 10,000 tons or close to 10,000 tons of spawningbiomass left.Comment: It’s too small to measure by our presentmethods anyway.38
REID: AN OCEANOGRAPHER’S PERSPECTIVE<strong>CalCOFI</strong> Rep., <strong>Vol</strong>. XXIII, <strong>1982</strong>AN OCEANOGRAPHER’S PERSPECTIVEJOSEPH L. REIDI suppose it’s my turn now to add what I can aboutan oceanographer’s perspective on this system. I thinkperhaps I’d better say how I got into the trade, becauseI came in sideways and unexpectedly. I enteredScripps as a graduate student in physical oceanographyin 1948, my interest in the ocean having beenengendered by some naval service. I was a student ofWalter Munk’s for a while, but he couldn’t quite keepup with me, so I got some half-time research support,the usual kind a graduate student gets, from MarineLife Research.About 1950 or ’51 I began to attend these conferences.Well, I felt myself a very sharp young physicaloceanographer who was certain to straighten thesepeople out in a very short period of time. I could notunderstand-as you will, I think, from having heardwhat these people have said, particularly Jack Baxter-whyall of these people, the feds on one side andthe loosely called confederates on the other side, werehaving such terrible battles. I really thought they assembledannually to hear me tell them about the physicaloceanography of the <strong>California</strong> Current. It took mea while to come up to speed on this.But the format of the conference was a little differentin those days. There was a higher proportion ofbusiness discussed at that time, although the papersgiven still dominated the sessions. I would usuallygive a paper, and being very full of the kind of researchthat could be done in physical oceanography, Iwould talk for fifteen minutes or so about geomagneticelectrokinetographs (GEK’s), acceleration potential,geopotential anomalies, electromotive forces, andthings of that kind. About half-way through my talk,Frances would look at me and say, “Joe, what do youreally mean?” . . . I think it might be useful if questionsof that nature were asked more frequently in themiddle of these presentations. Of course I did havesomething to say, but I need not have said it quite inthose words. By the time I thought about it and expressedit in a more rational way, nobody had anytrouble understanding it. It really wasn’t all that complicated.In fact, I think some biologists read my papersin physical oceanography in preference to othersbecause at least they can understand what I’m saying,and if they can, they should thank Frances.Then I would finally get to the end of my spiel, andRoger Revelle would get up and say, “That’s not so. ”And I would say, “Yes, it is!” And we would argue.Here I was, the lowest graduate student on the totempole at Scripps. I don’t mean to imply that Roger wasalways wrong or always right, but in those days, itdidn’t matter at all whether Roger was right or wrong;he would win those arguments. There was just noquestion of it. I would look out into the audience, andthere would be Ahlie Ahlstrom and Dick Croker andthe like, grinning like apes at my discomfiture, ofcourse. Then as I left the stage, Frances would look atme with her kind, sweet smile and pat me on the back.Our technical director, Bob Miller, whose name hascome up before, would take me out and buy me adrink. That was, I guess, one of his job requirementsunder those circumstances, one of his many functionsto keep the place going. Then we would be ready tocontinue.What was oceanography in those days, and whatwere we doing? I suppose the state of physical oceanographyin that period-and, in fact, of oceanographyin general-could be summed up in the 1942 work ofSverdrup, Johnson, and Fleming because, of course,the war had intervened, and very little had been donein most fields of oceanography during that period. Itwas Harald Sverdrup himself who started the work inphysical oceanography here, and he was one of themajor protagonists in the proposals that got <strong>CalCOFI</strong>started. We began with his ideas and the people that hehad trained or had begun to train. The physical oceanographersin those days were Bob Reid and Paul Horrerand Warren Wooster, who had come a little earlierthan I had, joined shortly by Feenan Jennings. I don’tknow what you think of this motley crew, but that’swhat was assembled out at the Scripps Field Annex atPoint Loma in those days.What was there to work with? Up to that timeoceanography had been dominated almost entirely bythe work of the Scandinavians and more lately by theGermans, with some from the U.S. The work waseither large-scale exploration-the Dana expeditions,the Carnegie, the Deutschland, trying to get at thegeneral circumstances of the ocean-or of localizedbays and estuaries. Nansen had done his work on thesource waters of the North Atlantic; Brennecke hadworked on the source at the other end, in the WeddellSea; and we knew at least that the major deep watermasses of the world ocean were formed mostly in theAtlantic. But the kinds of studies that they were able tomake were limited to statements about the general circulationor the mean flow, with little time or moneyfor finer-scale work on variability.However, these people were very sharp. In fact,there is a wonderful paper by Helland-Hansen and39
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