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Lawdragon Q & A with:steve bermanHagens Berman co-founder SteveBerman often refers <strong>to</strong> his work as a plaintiffs’ lawyeras playing David against <strong>the</strong> Goliaths of corporateAmerica. The work, he says, is not for <strong>the</strong> faint hearted.And he’s not kidding. Since opening his firm inSeattle in 1993, he has gone <strong>to</strong> battle in court andwon record-breaking settlements against Wall Street,Big Oil, Big Pharma and Big Tobacco.These days, <strong>the</strong> veteran trial lawyer has expandedhis practice beyond class action <strong>to</strong> intellectual propertylitigation, filing cases against tech giants such asApple, Nintendo and Samsung. He also is co-lead plaintiffs’counsel in class action claims against Toyotaover sudden-acceleration problems.LAWDRAGon: You have a pretty diverse practice for aplaintiffs’ at<strong>to</strong>rney. How hard is it <strong>to</strong> shift practiceareas or do you consider all cases <strong>the</strong> same?STEve BERMAn: There is a common DNA that connectsall of our work. First, we look for plaintiff work thatrewards our ability <strong>to</strong> bring thoughtful, innovative legalapproaches <strong>to</strong> cases coupled with an aggressive, smartapproach <strong>to</strong> litigation. Second, as an organization, wealways look for cases that benefit <strong>the</strong> public good in ameaningful and measurable way, including cases thatrepresent consumers, retirees, inves<strong>to</strong>rs, inven<strong>to</strong>rs,workers and o<strong>the</strong>rs who ordinarily would not have <strong>the</strong>resources <strong>to</strong> challenge large, well-financed entities.LD: Knowing how <strong>to</strong> vet cases is critical <strong>to</strong> <strong>the</strong> successof all plaintiffs’ firms and so far you’ve had a prettygood run in picking really big cases. Is <strong>the</strong>re a formula<strong>to</strong> that?SB: To be successful, you must be willing <strong>to</strong> invest –invest in recruiting and hiring <strong>the</strong> sharpest and mostintellectually nimble minds in <strong>the</strong> legal community.Second you need <strong>to</strong> be willing <strong>to</strong> invest <strong>the</strong> time andresources it takes <strong>to</strong> properly vet and assess very complexcases and legal issues. That includes putting ateam of at<strong>to</strong>rneys, researchers and experts on anissue, sometimes for months, before we make a determinationthat a plaintiff’s case is something we couldtake on. We also have a deep bench of incredibly talentedat<strong>to</strong>rneys that routinely develop innovative legal<strong>the</strong>ories and who are not afraid <strong>to</strong> apply <strong>the</strong> law inways that have not yet been tested in court.Finally, we have a very flat organizational structure– when we’ve decided a plaintiff’s case has merit, wecan say yes fast – we don’t wallow in endless committee-meetingapproval processes. We’ve been success-bY Xenia Kobylarzful in identifying <strong>the</strong> right cases through a combinationof all of <strong>the</strong>se assets.LD: How did <strong>the</strong> Apple e-book antitrust case develop?SB: I am an avid reader and I noticed my eBooks werecosting me more. We <strong>the</strong>n did some research andfound Steve Jobs’ assertion in an inter<strong>view</strong> that priceswould be <strong>the</strong> same across various platforms, includingKindle and iPad. Then, when we saw that several publisherschanged <strong>the</strong>ir business model at <strong>the</strong> sametime, that raised our eyebrows.We continued <strong>to</strong> investigate <strong>the</strong> issue <strong>to</strong> determinewhe<strong>the</strong>r <strong>the</strong>re was collusion between Apple and <strong>the</strong>publishers. We spent a lot of time and resources onthis investigation because unlike <strong>the</strong> Department ofJustice we do not have subpoena power. We ultimatelyconcluded that Apple and <strong>the</strong> publishers were in violationof <strong>the</strong> antitrust laws and filed a class-action lawsui<strong>to</strong>n behalf of consumers.LD: What’s your most memorable case and why?SB: First was <strong>the</strong> landmark <strong>to</strong>bacco case we brough<strong>to</strong>n behalf of <strong>the</strong> At<strong>to</strong>rneys General of thirteen states,which ultimately led <strong>to</strong> <strong>the</strong> largest civil settlement ofall time. But everyone knows that, so <strong>the</strong> case I turn <strong>to</strong>involves <strong>the</strong> residents of <strong>the</strong> island of Bougainville inPapua New Guinea who claim that mining company RioTin<strong>to</strong> dumped billions of <strong>to</strong>ns of <strong>to</strong>xic waste on <strong>the</strong>island. This dispossessed <strong>the</strong> residents of <strong>the</strong> island of<strong>the</strong>ir land and destroyed <strong>the</strong>ir culture, so <strong>the</strong>y foughtback, forcing Rio <strong>to</strong> close its mining operations. Weallege that Rio and <strong>the</strong> Papua New Guinea government<strong>the</strong>n brought in troops <strong>to</strong> reopen <strong>the</strong> mine. When thatfailed, <strong>the</strong>y instituted a military blockade that lastedten years and we believe caused <strong>the</strong> deaths of at least10,000 people because Rio blocked medicine and foodaid. As one manager at Rio put it, <strong>the</strong>y were “starving<strong>the</strong> bastards out.” We sued Rio and <strong>the</strong> legal battlehas lasted nearly 12 years and has gone back andforth <strong>to</strong> <strong>the</strong> U.S. Supreme Court. Some articles say <strong>the</strong>movie Avatar was based on this s<strong>to</strong>ry.LD: The competition for lead plaintiffs’ counsel hasbecome really heated in recent years and you’ve wonseveral lead roles in some major cases. How do youprepare for that phase of litigation?SB: I try <strong>to</strong> ask myself, what would a judge want in alawyer for a class? A proven track record, tenacious,not afraid <strong>to</strong> try cases, delivers real results, is notgreedy and is always honest with <strong>the</strong> Court. These aremy <strong>the</strong>mes in lead counsel fights.View all Q&As at www.lawdragon.com/news-features.500Pho<strong>to</strong> by: Kevin CaseyL A W D R A G O N 103 I s s u e 13

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