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Lawdragon Q & A with:Pat McGroderPatrick McGroder still “lives and dies”with <strong>the</strong> Buffalo Bills and Sabres, which is understandable.His dad Patrick is on <strong>the</strong> Bills’ Wall of Fame forhis work in bringing football <strong>to</strong> <strong>the</strong> city and serving asteam vice president for more than 20 years. ButMcGroder quickly developed a love for Arizona aftermoving <strong>to</strong> attend <strong>the</strong> University of Arizona Law Schooland has stayed since getting his degree in 1970.McGroder started his career as a jack-of-all tradeslawyer in Phoenix, handling a range of criminal, civil,and trusts and estates matters, <strong>the</strong>n worked a stint at<strong>the</strong> Arizona At<strong>to</strong>rney General’s organized crime taskforce before being recruited by a personal injury firm.The rest is his<strong>to</strong>ry. McGroder launched his own practiceafter a few years and has since handled much of<strong>the</strong> region’s highest-profile plaintiffs’ cases. He joinedGallagher & Kennedy in 2001.McGroder now is representing <strong>the</strong> family of BorderPatrol Agent Brian Terry, who was killed in a 2010attack by individuals using weapons from <strong>the</strong> tragicallybotched “Operation Fast and Furious,” in <strong>the</strong>ir wrongfuldeath lawsuit against <strong>the</strong> U.S. government.LAWDRAGon: Aside from getting a full accounting,what else does <strong>the</strong> family want?PATRICK MCGRODER: As a tribute <strong>to</strong> Brian’s life andlegacy, <strong>the</strong> Terry family has established <strong>the</strong> Honor ofBrian Terry Foundation, which is a nonprofit organizationthat will be geared <strong>to</strong>wards helping o<strong>the</strong>r BorderPatrol agents and <strong>the</strong>ir family members who find <strong>the</strong>mselvesin harm’s way, as well as a number of o<strong>the</strong>rcharitable causes. The Terrys have dedicated <strong>the</strong>irlives now <strong>to</strong> this foundation, and it’s quite an honor <strong>to</strong>be a part of that.LD: What drew you <strong>to</strong> plaintiffs’ work?PM: What I am most proud of in my career is making<strong>the</strong> world a better place, helping my clients make <strong>the</strong>irlives a little bit better and adding a modicum of dignity<strong>to</strong> <strong>the</strong>ir lives. But I am also proud of how we’ve donesome social designing in virtually all of our cases <strong>to</strong>ensure that <strong>the</strong>se types of things don’t happen again,whe<strong>the</strong>r it’s HMO reform, insurance reform, aviation,road design, whatever, <strong>the</strong>se cases all involve sometype of social architecture component, and I’m veryproud of our record in that regard. I’m not fed by egoor money but by solving problems and making <strong>the</strong>world a better place. That’s my philosophy of life, andmy philosophy of being a trial lawyer. It’s what myfa<strong>the</strong>r taught me.bY john rYanLD: What about <strong>the</strong> trial process do you like?PM: O<strong>the</strong>r than <strong>the</strong> birth of my children, I don’t think<strong>the</strong>re is a greater thrill than a jury verdict coming backin favor of my client. It is most satisfying on a coupleof planes. Number one, for my clients of course, whichis <strong>the</strong> most important thing. And number two, for what<strong>the</strong> verdict stands for. On a personal level, I am drivenby <strong>the</strong> idea that no one can outwork me – it’s thatwork ethic that my parents instilled in me. I justassume <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r guy or woman is a lot smarter than Iam, and <strong>the</strong> only way I am going <strong>to</strong> win a case is if Ican outwork <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r side. That’s been a mainstay inmy practice. Working is my hobby. It sounds kind ofsick, but I really do enjoy <strong>the</strong> trial work.LD: Given your track record, are trials easier now? Areyou more relaxed or confident in any way that showsup?PM: I started practicing law at 215 pounds, and I’mnow 170. I operate on nervous energy. A great motiva<strong>to</strong>rfor me is always fear – fear of forgetting something,fear or losing, fear of not doing everything possiblefor my client. During <strong>the</strong> course of trial, I’ll probablylose anywhere from five <strong>to</strong> 10 pounds. I operate onadrenaline and nervous energy.LD: Any rituals?PM: Not many. I never drive <strong>to</strong> court when I’m in trial. Ialways have a driver because I don’t want <strong>to</strong> have <strong>to</strong>worry about traffic or getting <strong>the</strong>re, or parking when Iarrive. I also always take one or more of my kids withme for <strong>the</strong> verdict. O<strong>the</strong>r than that, I train for trials. Iknow that sounds kind of funny, but I physically trainfor trials. I’m a health nut and workout freak anyway. Icut my sleep hours way down and train harder <strong>to</strong> havemore endurance for <strong>the</strong> trial. I don’t take a lot of casesso I never have more than 10 files at any one time. Istart preparing six <strong>to</strong> nine months before trial.LD: How would you describe your courtroom style?PM: I would characterize it as pure and natural. I’m aproduct of my upbringing. I am a passionate and emotionalIrish Catholic guy who is family- and friend-oriented– those relationships are as important <strong>to</strong> me asanything in my life. I think because of <strong>the</strong> way I wasraised I have a natural appreciation for <strong>the</strong> human condition.People tell me that it’s very evident in <strong>the</strong>courtroom. I don’t think about being emotional, it justseems <strong>to</strong> me <strong>to</strong> be entirely natural – it just comes andflows.See <strong>the</strong> full Q&A at www.lawdragon.com/lawyer-limelights/patrick-mcgroder.500Pho<strong>to</strong> by: Eric CasseeL A W D R A G O N 107 I s s u e 13

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