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8 saerTo gazeTi #36 (220), 22-28.VIII, 2012 w.<br />
``saaerTo gaazeTis~ stumrebi<br />
aariaan paartiaa ``gaanaaxlebuli<br />
saaqaarTvelosTvis~<br />
yofili generaaluri mdivaani<br />
laSa gvasalia daa erovnuli<br />
moZraaobis TvaalsaaCino<br />
waarmomaadgeneli goCa bi-<br />
WaSvili.<br />
laSa gvasalia: _ mindia<br />
gulua `axali TaobisTvis~<br />
micemul interviuSi ambobs:<br />
SesaZlebelia laSa gvasalia<br />
da misi Tanamoazreebi<br />
Seagzavna xelisuflebam koalicia<br />
`qarTul ocnebaSi~,<br />
iqedan informaciebi rom mii-<br />
Rono, amiT igi uaryofs Tavis<br />
sityvebs da winaaRmdegobaSi<br />
modis mis mier araerTgzis<br />
naTqvamTan _ biZina ivaniSvili<br />
da xelisufleba er-<br />
Ti da igive TamaSs TamaSoben,<br />
inawileben poziciebso da<br />
a.S. Tu ivaniSvili da saakaSvili<br />
erT TamaSs TamaSobs,<br />
ra informaciebi sWirdeba xelisuflebas<br />
Cemgan?!<br />
rasac acxadebs mindia gulua<br />
Cems Sesaxeb, es araa kacis<br />
sakadrisi saqcieli, es<br />
ar unda ekadrebina CemTvis.<br />
misgan amas namdvilad ar vimsaxurebdi.<br />
rac marTla saTqmeli<br />
iyo mindia guluaze, is<br />
ar miTqvams arasdros da me<br />
is kaci ar var nacionalebs<br />
ena mivutano. is me Seuracxyofas<br />
mayenebs. mTeli cxovreba<br />
kacur-kacobas, adamianobas,<br />
saqarTvelos da qarTul<br />
mwerlobas mivuZRveni, magram,<br />
etyoba, es Rirebulebebi ar<br />
arsebobs mindia guluasTvis.<br />
rogorc Cans, misTvis mTavaria,<br />
iyide-gayide, biznesi,<br />
fuli da a.S.<br />
me sazRvargareT Sevxvdi<br />
baton mindias da davinaxe<br />
laSa gvasalia<br />
zogadqarTuli cnobierebiT<br />
moazrovne adamiani. magram,<br />
samwuxarod, yvelaferi moCvenebiTi<br />
aRmoCnda.<br />
_ zogadqarTuli cnobiereba<br />
raSi gamoixata, an Semdeg<br />
riTi darwmundiT, rom<br />
is is ar iyo, vinc gegonaT?<br />
_ Cven visaubreT afxaze-<br />
Tis, cxinvalis, saqarTvelos<br />
problemebze, qarTul kulturaze.<br />
gulua didi yuradRebiT<br />
gvismenda. gvegona:<br />
ai, vnaxeT kaci, afxazeTSi<br />
nabrZoli, qveynis moyvaruli,<br />
aqvs ekonomikuri SesaZlebloba<br />
da surs moexmaros qveyanas.<br />
aRfrTovanebuli viyaviT.<br />
CamovitaneT erToblivad<br />
laSa gvasalia:<br />
mindia gulua qarTul opoziciaSi<br />
rusulma da qarTulma<br />
specsamsaxurebma Canerges...<br />
Sedgenili 12-punqtiani gegma,<br />
romelTagan erTic ki ar Sesrulebula<br />
aqamde, Tumca yvelaferi<br />
es Sesrulebadi iyo.<br />
Cemi megobrebi, Tanamoazreebi,<br />
moZraoba `31 martis~ wevrebi,<br />
Semovikribe da ganvacxade<br />
_ Sevdivar partiaSi `ganaxlebuli<br />
saqarTvelosTvis~<br />
da rasac Cven ver vaxerxebdiT<br />
wlebis ganmavlobaSi, axla<br />
SevZlebT ganvaxorcieloT<br />
m india guluas daxmarebiT-meTqi.<br />
CamovayalibeT<br />
`erovnuli Tanxmobis darbazi~,<br />
SevqmeniT `afxazur-qar-<br />
Tuli Tanxmobis saTaTbiro~,<br />
moviwvieT qveynis gamoCenili<br />
pirebi, eqspertebi, magram<br />
yvelaferi Sua gzaSi ferxdeboda...<br />
me axla ar minda kidev<br />
yvelaferi vilaparako.<br />
iqneb dafiqrdes es adamiani<br />
da mixvdes, rac daaSava.<br />
erTi sityviT, Cemma megobrebma<br />
rom Sexedes am kacs,<br />
dainaxes, rom iyo dapirebebi<br />
da arc erTi saqme adgilidan<br />
ar iZvroda, miTxres: es kaci<br />
aris mogzavnili sxva daniSnulebiT<br />
da Cven gviyenebs Tavisi<br />
bneli zraxvebisTviso.<br />
_ mainc ra daniSnulebis-<br />
Tviso, raze eWvobdnen?<br />
_ Cemi azriT, mindia<br />
gulua qarTulma da<br />
rusulma specsamsaxurebma<br />
opoziciaSi Canerges<br />
namdvili opoziciuri<br />
Zalis sawinaaRmdegod.<br />
vin iqneboda es<br />
opozicia, Tavidan ar<br />
iyo gacxadebuli, magram<br />
mere gamoikveTa da guluac<br />
ufro saWiro<br />
gaxda.<br />
yvelaze metad iciT,<br />
raze mwydeba guli?<br />
afxazeTidan gadmoviyvaneT<br />
afxazi mwerlebi<br />
arqa emxvaris xelmZRvanelobiT,<br />
daviwyeT seriozuli<br />
nabijebis gadadgma.<br />
warmoidgineT, axlo urTier-<br />
Tobebi daviwyeT afxazeTis<br />
kulturis mniSvnelovan warmomadgenelebTan,<br />
magram gulua<br />
iwyebda da mere Segnebulad<br />
aferxebda yvelafers.<br />
diax, Segnebulad akeTebda<br />
amas. xalxs imeds da ganwyobas<br />
ukargavda...<br />
mokled, me da Cemi Tanamoazreebi<br />
wamovediT. axla<br />
rom vufiqrdebi, vixseneb,<br />
rom Cvens erTobliv saubreb-<br />
Si mindia guluasTan, arasdros<br />
yofila laparaki imaze,<br />
rogor davamarcxoT da gavuSvaT<br />
es xelisufleba. gadahqonda<br />
Cveni yuradReba uf-<br />
ro naklebad mniSvnelovan<br />
rameebze da mudmivad gvamyofebda<br />
iluzorul gegmebsa da<br />
perspeqtivebSi. ufro metic,<br />
erT dRes gamoacxadebda: me<br />
vici, daiWeren Cveni organizaciisxelmZRvanelebs<br />
dagiWeren Sen,<br />
amitom winaswar gaakeTeTvideoCanawerebi,<br />
rom, roca dagiWeren,<br />
ar TqvaT Cems winaaRmdeg<br />
erTi sityvac.<br />
erTxel meubneba<br />
yvelas TandaswrebiT:<br />
namdvilad vici, laSa,<br />
rom Sen dagiWeren,<br />
magram me SemiZlia ar<br />
davaWerino. ginda ar<br />
davaWerino? _ mekiTxeboda.<br />
albaT, egona,<br />
rom SiSisgan guli<br />
wamividoda. laSa<br />
gvasalia fexebiT Camohkida<br />
`mxedrionma~,<br />
frCxilebi damaZvres<br />
gaziT, Tavis qala da neknebi<br />
Camimtvries, sikvdils Zlivs<br />
gadavurCi, magram zedmeti da<br />
arasaWiro sityva ar wamomcdenia<br />
arasdros. me vamayob<br />
Cemi warsuliT. studentobidan<br />
moyolebuli erovnul<br />
moZraobaSi var da qarTul<br />
sityvas vemsaxurebi.<br />
araa, mindia, laSa gvasalia<br />
is kaci, SiSisgan rom<br />
ferfuri wauvides.<br />
_ Tqven gulistkivils<br />
rom eubnebodiT, ras gpasuxobdaT?<br />
_ jer erTi, es adamiani<br />
aris TavisnaTqvama kaci, rasac<br />
daiJinebs, imas arasdros<br />
uaryofs. minda giTxraT, mindia<br />
gulua saqarTvelosTvis<br />
sasikeTo saqmes arasdros gaakeTebs.<br />
_ xobis maJoritarad<br />
Tqvens wardgenazec iyo saubari?<br />
_ Tu aseT rameebs gaake-<br />
Tebda, egona, didi rame iyo<br />
es. yovelTvis vfiqrobdi,<br />
rom am daqsaqsviT safrTxes<br />
vuqmnidiT opozicias da vexmarebodiT<br />
xelisuflebas. me<br />
xobSi kargi avtoriteti<br />
maqvs, magram, vici, es ar iq-<br />
neboda sakmarisi Cemi gamarjvebisTvis.<br />
es iyo drois gayvana<br />
da TamaSi.<br />
_ Tqven seriozuli braldeba<br />
wauyeneT guluas _ rusul<br />
da qarTul specsamsaxu-<br />
rebTan TanamSromlobaSi adanaSaulebT.<br />
ris safuZvelze<br />
ambobT amas?<br />
_ roca is Cemze laparakobda:<br />
xval laSas daiWereno,<br />
arainformirebuli adamiani<br />
amas ver ityvis. xan<br />
ityoda, kremlSi var, Sevxvdi<br />
putins, ruseTis xelisuflebis<br />
maRalCinosnebs...<br />
mas xelSeuxebeli biznesi<br />
aqvs ruseTSi. ase advilad<br />
ar xdeba araferi. bolos da<br />
bolos, guram absanZesac<br />
hqonda ruseTSi biznesi, magram<br />
arasdros ar uTamaSia<br />
rusuli TamaSebi. me megona,<br />
mindiac aseTi kaci iqneboda,<br />
samwuxarod...<br />
axla ambobs, laSa gvasaliam<br />
patriarqTan dado ficio.<br />
me, mindias da nana gulua,<br />
mindias deda qalbatoni<br />
neli da valeri gabelia<br />
patriarqma gvakurTxa im saqmianobaSi,<br />
rasac vapirebdiT.<br />
es fici ar yofila da arc<br />
me damirRvevia araviTar fici.<br />
es adamiani aris elementaruli<br />
matyuara da me matyuarasTan<br />
urTierToba, ubralod,<br />
ar SemiZlia.<br />
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~<br />
internetSi<br />
www.saertogazeti.net<br />
SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-ze<br />
_ anazaRaurebas Tu gaZlevdaT<br />
partiaSi?<br />
_ giTxariT, ar minda<br />
fulze laparaki, erTs getyviT<br />
mxolod, ra Tqma unda,<br />
mas araferi ar moucia.<br />
_ gamodis, rom misi misia<br />
iyo daekonservebina is Zalebi,<br />
vinc arc xelisuflebaSi<br />
iqneboda da arc opoziciaSi.<br />
_ sxvaTa Soris es eWvi<br />
gauCnda Cems megobar eqspertebsa<br />
da analitikosebsac.<br />
yvela mixvda, rom es kaci<br />
mTavar gezs aSorebda yvelas,<br />
vinc im partiaSi iyo.<br />
Tqven, albaT, ar iciT,<br />
rom me dajarimebuli var 87<br />
000 lariT, imis gamo, rom<br />
fuladi Senatani Sevitane<br />
partiaSi. amis gamo ver wavedi<br />
TurqeTSi literaturuli<br />
RonisZiebaze, verc Cemi<br />
poeziis saRamoze germaniaSi.<br />
dablokili var yvelanairad.<br />
_ maxsovs, gulua ambobda:<br />
axalaiebi memterebian saqar-<br />
TveloSio. Tqven mas xelisuflebasTan<br />
aliansSi adana-<br />
SaulebT? es rogor gavigoT?<br />
_ rogorc ki axalaiebi<br />
Zalovani struqturebis<br />
xelmZRvanelebi gaxdnen, man<br />
Secvala Tavisi damokidebuleba<br />
da am xalxis qebaze gadavida.<br />
CemTan saubarSi maTze<br />
bevri kargi ram uTqvams<br />
_vaJkacebi arian, kargi biWebi,<br />
merabiSvili ra Secdomebsac<br />
uSvebda, eseni imas ar gaimeorebeno.<br />
_ afxazeTis sakiTxi ar<br />
iyo misTvis iseTi sasicocxlod<br />
mniSvnelovani, rogorc<br />
acxadebda?<br />
_ is manipulirebda afxazeTis<br />
sakiTxiT. man mizanmimarTulad<br />
CaSala afxazurqarTuli<br />
saTaTbiros muSaoba.<br />
es kaci arafris gamkeTe
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