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#49 (178), 3-6.XII, 2011 w. <strong>saerTo</strong> gazeTi<br />
ramdenime dRis win msaxiobma<br />
soso jaWvlianma, sportsmenma<br />
luka kurtaniZem da mweralma<br />
merab SaTiriSvilma uprecedento<br />
aqcia Caatares. mxrebze<br />
dadebuli rkinis jaWvebiT fexiT<br />
iares quTaisidan Tbilisamde.<br />
ra iyo am uCveulo aqciis<br />
mizani? `<strong>saerTo</strong> gazeTs~ merab<br />
SaTiriSvili esaubra:<br />
_ aqcias, pirobiTad, SeiZleba<br />
ewodos `gelaTidan samebamde~,<br />
ratom gelaTidan? am adgilas,<br />
didi daviT aRmaSeneblis<br />
saflavze saakaSvilma fici dado,<br />
rom is iqneboda demokratiis<br />
amSenebeli, humanisti, qveynis<br />
gamaerTianebeli, xalxisTvis<br />
Tavdadebuli prezidenti. es fici<br />
darCa mxolod sityvebad.<br />
daviT aRmaSenebeli aris Cveni<br />
_ qarTvelebis arsebobis simbolo,<br />
Cveni erovnuli namusi da<br />
fics rom ityvi mis saflavTan,<br />
im fics unda Seakvde kaci.<br />
saubedurod, gelaTis taZris<br />
es uwmindesi adgili _ daviT<br />
aRmaSeneblis saflavi dRes<br />
saakaSvilis gamo sircxvilis<br />
laqad gveqca _ Cven wamovediT<br />
laCrobidan, tyuilad dadebuli<br />
ficidan, wminda mefis saflavis<br />
siwmindiT gaZlierebulni samebis<br />
eklesiamde, romelic kargi<br />
qarTveli kacis aSenebulia.<br />
_ e.i. ivaniSvilis mxardasa-<br />
Weri aqcia gamarTeT?<br />
_ Cemo kargo, rasac axorcielebs<br />
ivaniSvilis mimarT saakaSvilis<br />
Zaladobrivi xelisufleba,<br />
es qarTveli xalxis<br />
winaaRmdeg mimarTuli qmedebaa.<br />
rogori damokidebulebac aqvs<br />
xelisuflebas biZina ivaniSvilis<br />
mimarT, zustad igive damokidebuleba<br />
aqvs Cvens, anu ubralo<br />
qarTveli adamianebis mimarT.<br />
ivaniSvili ar aris<br />
CemTvis kulti, magram<br />
yvelam gaiazros, warmoidginos<br />
sakuTari<br />
Tavi ivaniSvilis mdgomareobaSi<br />
da mixvdeba,<br />
rom masac aravin dazogavs<br />
gansxvavebuli azris<br />
gamo. Cven borkilebiT<br />
da jaWvebiT<br />
varT dabmuli am xelisuflebis<br />
mier da<br />
Cvens yovel iniciativas,<br />
protests, gamosvlas<br />
mxolod jaWvis<br />
JRarunis efeqti aqvs<br />
da Sedegs ver vaRwevT.<br />
mTeli gza quTaisidan Tbilisamde<br />
fexiT, mxrebze garkveuli<br />
simZimis jaWvebiT viareT.<br />
es iyo Cveni monobis, borkildadebulobis<br />
simboluri niSani.<br />
amiT sazogadoebas mivaniSneT,<br />
rom monobas unda hqondes dasasruli<br />
da Tu saWiro iqneba,<br />
quCaSic unda gamovideT, roca<br />
es qveynis keTildReobas das-<br />
Wirdeba. sazogadoebas ratom-<br />
Rac hgonia, rom mxolod da<br />
mxolod xelmowerebiT, anabrebis<br />
SetaniT wydeba problema. es<br />
yvelaferi kargia, magram ara<br />
sakmarisi. Cven unda mivaRwioT<br />
imas, rom daubrundes moqalaqeoba<br />
biZina ivaniSvils, Tundac<br />
amisTvis quCaSi gamosvla dagv-<br />
Wirdes. es ara mxolod biZina<br />
ivaniSvils, aramed Cven, TiToeul<br />
qarTvels gvWirdeba. Cven<br />
unda gavakeToT es, magram calcalke<br />
gagviWirdeba _ biZina<br />
ivaniSvilic unda movides xalxTan,<br />
radgan xelisufleba ukan<br />
araferze daixevs da misTvis<br />
Cveuli meTodebiT ecdeba ivaniSvilis<br />
Seviwroebasa da bolos<br />
diskreditaciasac. me adrec<br />
vambobdi, rom xelisufleba<br />
mas gasaqans ar miscems, SezRudavs-meTqi<br />
da xom xedavT, yvelaferi<br />
saxezea. biZina ivaniSvils<br />
movuwodeb _ mivides xalxTan,<br />
xalxis siRrmeSi, maT<br />
gulSi Caixedos, Sexvdes ubralo<br />
adamianebs, imaTgan ufro<br />
mets gaigebs, vidre mrCevlebisgan,<br />
an presa _ radio-televiziisgan.<br />
xalxi daSinebulia, daTrgunuli,<br />
magram is mainc SeZlebs<br />
biZina ivaniSvilisTvis, rogorc<br />
qarTuli ZalisTvis mxardaWeras.<br />
yvelas gvaxsovs, 26<br />
maiss rac moxda. luka<br />
kurtaniZes sastikad<br />
scemes, faqtobrivad,<br />
sasikvdilod gaimetes<br />
adamiani. soso jaWvliani<br />
cixeSi gamoketes<br />
da SimSilis protestzec<br />
ki ar hqoniaT<br />
araviTari reagireba,<br />
26 maiss qaSueTis win<br />
mec mcemes, magram Cven<br />
gamovediT, mainc movnaxeT<br />
Cvens TavSi Zala da<br />
SiSs vZlieT, davanaxeT<br />
yvelas, rom saakaSvilis<br />
zonderebis Cven<br />
ar gveSinia.<br />
kargad gvaxsovs 26 maisi,<br />
magram es ver SegvaSinebs. im<br />
dRes iq xalxi daixoca. megobrebo,<br />
nu SegveSineba sikvdilis,<br />
ra hqvia aseT sicocxles,<br />
Cven rom gvaqvs<br />
axla, am saSineli<br />
diqtaturis da usamarTlobis<br />
pirobeb-<br />
Si?! dgeba xolme cxovrebaSi<br />
iseTi momenti,<br />
roca adamianis sico-<br />
cxle mxolod axloblebs<br />
ar ekuTvnis. sicocxle<br />
ekuTvnis RmerTs<br />
da samSoblos da<br />
arc erTis da arc meoresTvis<br />
sicocxle ar<br />
unda gvenanebodes.<br />
_ geTanxmebiT, magram<br />
Tavganwirvas yvelas<br />
ver mosTxov. ai,<br />
magaliTad, axla Tqven<br />
Tavisuflad ver dadixarT,<br />
ver moZraobT,<br />
merab SaTiriSvili:<br />
Cven borkilebiT da jaWvebiT<br />
varT dabmulni am xelisuflebis<br />
mier da droa, gavTavisufldeT<br />
am samarcxvino mdgomareobidan<br />
Cven unda mivaRwioT imas, rom daubrundes<br />
moqalaqeoba biZina ivaniSvils, Tundac<br />
amisTvis quCaSi gamosvla dagvWirdes!<br />
bevri, politikur, opozicias<br />
vgulisxmob,<br />
mxolod simboluri<br />
aqciisTvis, Cemi azriT,<br />
ar gamoivlida amxela<br />
gzas fexiT...<br />
marTlac sakmaod Zneli iyo<br />
am gzis fexis gavla. mTeli gza<br />
ganuwyvetliv Tovda, cioda.<br />
mxrebze jaWvis simZimem Tavisi<br />
gaitana, luka da soso sportsmenebi<br />
arian, magram me vexumrebodi,<br />
Tqvenze naklebi arc me<br />
var, mTaSi var dabadebuli da<br />
gazrdili da bevr ramesac avitan-meTqi.<br />
opozicias rac Seexeba,<br />
Tqven sworad SeniSneT, magaT<br />
undaT koxtad gamoewyon kostumebsa<br />
da halstuxSi, dadgnen<br />
rusTavelis moedanze da mimar-<br />
Ton 200 000 kacs, mere daayvedrian,<br />
galanZRaven da TavianT<br />
Secdomebs maT gadaabraleben.<br />
Cven gamovxateT protesti<br />
usamarTlobaze, rac xdeba qveyanaSi,<br />
usamarTlo mkvlelobaze,<br />
darbevebze, gamovxateT protesti<br />
ivaniSvilisTvis moqalaqeobis<br />
CamorTmevaze, magram kaciSvils,<br />
arc erTi opoziciuri<br />
partiis warmomadgenels am protestisadmi<br />
solidaroba ar gamoucxadebia.<br />
_ batono merab, rogoria<br />
Tqveni azri biZina ivaniSvilis<br />
satelevizio interviuze, romelic<br />
telekompania `maestroze~<br />
Sedga?<br />
_am gamosvliT kidev er-<br />
Txel damtkicda, rom biZina ivaniSvili<br />
aris saocari adamiani,<br />
magram unda vTqva, rom axla, am<br />
etapze aucilebelia batoni bi-<br />
Zina gaxdes ufro frTxili da<br />
amave dros operatiuli im<br />
brZolaSi, romelic saakaSvilma<br />
wamoiwyo mis winaaRmdeg, politikaSi<br />
mosvlis gancxadebis<br />
Semdeg.<br />
_ telekompania `maestroSi~<br />
arasaxarbielo movlenebi ganvi-<br />
Tarda meore dRes, rac iq ivaniSvili<br />
mivida pirdapir eTerSi<br />
sasaubrod. am or faqts Soris,<br />
Tqveni azriT, raime kavSiri SeiZleba<br />
arsebobdes?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, aq arsebobs<br />
pirdapiri kavSirebi. `maestro-<br />
Si~ momxdari ambebi 2012 wels<br />
arCevnebs ukavSirdeba da mimar-<br />
Tulia biZina ivaniSvilis saagitacio<br />
manqanis sawinaaRmdegod.<br />
_ situaciis gansjisTvis<br />
rom vimsjeloT, ras fiqrobT,<br />
ra ganviTareba SeiZleba hqondes<br />
am incidents?<br />
_ Tqven iciT, rom sozar saubarma<br />
datova `qarTuli partia~.<br />
irakli oqruaSvili saqarTveloSi<br />
fexs ver daadgams, sanam<br />
`nacionalebi~ aq iqnebian. darCa<br />
erosi, romelic caitnotSi aRmoCnda<br />
da am dros telekompania<br />
`maestro~, ivaniSvilisken ixreba.<br />
kiwmariSvili ivaniSvilisTvis<br />
miuRebelia. amitom is cdilobs<br />
Tavisi saxelSekrulebo<br />
uflebebi gamoiyenos da ar dar-<br />
Ces TamaSgare mdgomareobaSi.<br />
me vfiqrob, xelisuflebam<br />
kargad Seafasa kiwmariSvilis<br />
situacia da gaurigda mas. dRes<br />
erosi kiwmariSvili cdilobs<br />
`maestro~ xelSi Caigdos da<br />
Rlonti da misi jgufi iqedan<br />
gaaZevos.<br />
Rlonts kiwmariSvili iqidan<br />
gaagdebs. dava gadainacvlebs<br />
sasamarTloSi. sasamarTlo ganxilvebi<br />
arCevnebamde gaiweleba<br />
da mere ra gadawyvetilebac iqneba,<br />
amas kiwmariSvilisTvis ukve<br />
araviTari mniSvneloba ara<br />
aqvs.<br />
ase rom, es aris urTierTgarigeba<br />
da yvelaferi dResaviT<br />
naTelia. erosis xeliT xdeba<br />
`imedi-2~- is Camoyalibeba.<br />
iranda kalandaZe<br />
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