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#18 (202), 11-17 aprili, 2012 w.<strong>saerTo</strong> <strong>gazeTi</strong>19rogorc Cemma Svilma miTxra sulraRac oriod dReSi, telekompania`maestro~ am kadrebs aucilebladaCvenebs! magram iciT, ra makvirvebs?orSabaTs gazeT `asaval-dasavalSi~gamoqveynebul Cemi Svilis interviusSemdeg, Cemi, `<strong>saerTo</strong> <strong>gazeTi</strong>s~ winanomerSi gamoqveynebuli, italiaSigadaxvewili, yofili skolis direqtorismanana g-s interviuebis Semdeg,ram gaaRiziana, aseve emigracia-Si myofi, e.w. `zviadistebi~, romlebsacudides pativs vcem da maT-Tan intensiuri satelefono kavSirimaqvs? CemTvis gaugebaria maTi aRSfoTeba,radgan me arasodes arcerTipartiis araTu wevri, aramed apologeticar vyofilvar da axla, Tukivinmes Tavisi tkivilis da politikurigemovnebis gaziareba, maincdamaincCemTan unda, rogorc JurnalistTanme ra ufleba maqvs, Tundac`qarTuli ocnebis~, Tundac biZinaivaniSvilis mxardamWers araTu armousmino, aramed naTqvami, gazeTSiar davubeWdo?ra am <strong>gazeTi</strong>s redaqtori damflobeli me var Tu raSia saqme?am samiode kviris win, erovnulixelisuflebis erT-erTma aqtiurmamxardamWerma, isic ki makadra, rom1991 wlis 2 seqtembers, kinos saxlTanprovokaciuli da sabediswerogasrola Turme Cems Svils, beqa gogosaSvilsganuxorcielebia da esmaSin, roca beqa maSin 10 wlis iyoda veranairad ver iqneboda im mitingze,radgan dedaCemTan, lagodexSiizrdeboda da skolaSic iq dadioda12 wlamde. Semdeg skolidan gamoiparada soxumSi CamomakiTxa, ris SemdegacsaqarTvelos teritoriulimTlianobis SenarCunebisaTvis bevrisgangansxvavebiT Zala da energiaar dauSurebia.dRes Cemi Svilis `qarTuli ocneba~Tu samSobloSi dabruneba, TavisSvilebTan Caxuteba, 6 wlis unaxavidedis mofereba da saqarTvelosukeTesi momavlis rwmenaa, amitommsayvedurobT Zvirfaso megobrebo?Cems beqas, CemTan erTad mixeil saakaSvilisWinkebma `kmarelebma~ saxlidauwves! Cems beqas mixeil saakaSvilisbrZanebiT deda, Jurnalistiirine gogosaSvili daupatimres!Cems beqas, `nacionalebma~ rusTavelze,mTeli sxeuli daulurjes, Zvlebidaumtvries, magram qarTuli sulimainc ver amohglijes! Cems beqas,ager ukve 6 weli xdeba, Tavisi angeloziviTSvilebis naxvis uflebawaarTves, samSoblodan gaaqcies, ra-Ta sakuTari sicocxle gadaerCina daaxla Tqveni samiznec gaxda, Cemo megobaroaseve Sors gadaxvewilierovnulo qarTvelebo?ras mivawero Tqveni da saakaSvilisxrovis erTnairi xedvebi, CemsojaxTan mimarTebaSi da ratom undamayenebdeT me, Tavis marTlebis re-JimSi? iqneb damiSavebia rame da aRarmaxsovs?iqneb Cems samSoblos vuRalateodesme da dResac Ralatisken mimiwevsguli?Zalian vwuxvarT, rom bevri qar-Tveli isev ver vugebT erTmaneTs,arada guSinwin italiaSi mcxovrebmaqarTvelebma kargad dagvanaxes, raZala hqonia erTobas?Zvirfaso mkiTxvelo! bodiSs gixdiTzedmeti gacxarebisTvis, magrames aucileblad unda meTqva, radganarc me da arc Cems Svils, saqarTvelosTvisCveni moqmedebiT ziani arasodesmigviyenebia!RmerTi maRalia da is yvelafersxedavs!ufalma gagvaZlebinos am ZnelbedobisJams, amin!!!irine gogosaSviliramdenad kanonieri iyo samoqalao reestrismier miRebuli gadawyvetileba, rasapirebs biZina ivaniSvili moqalaqeobis sakiTxTandakavSirebiT da gegmaven, Tu ara advokatTajgufis wevrebi iusticiis saministrosmier miRebuli gadawyvetilebis gasa-Civrebas, Temis detalebze ,,<strong>saerTo</strong> gazeTs”biZina ivaniSilis advokati arCil kbilaSviliesaubra._ batono arCil, ras fiqrobT iusticiissaministros gadwyvetilebaze, romlisTanaxmad, biZina ivaniSvili jer kidev saqar-Tvelos moqalaqed ar ganixileba?_ samarTlebrivi kuTxiT gamotanilidaskvna ukanonoa da aris politikurad motivirebuli.Tu Cven davasabuTebT, daskvnasamarTlebrivad ukanona, maSin es iqneba gasaRebiimisa, gamotanili gadawyvetilebaaris politikurad motivirebuli.iusticiiis saministros mier miRebulidaskvna wesiT iTvleba iuridiul dokumentad,magram arcerTi iuridiuli norma gamotanilimosazrebis dasasabuTeblaT, Tu rissafuZvelze, ar aqvs biZina ivaniSvils uflebanaturalizaciis saSualebiT miiRossaqarTvelos moqalaqeoba miTiTebuli araa._ Tumca iusticiis saministros miergamoqveynebul dokumentSi miTiTebulia, romsaqarTevlos kanonmdeblobiT, piri romelicaris sxva qveynis moqalaqe ar aqvs uflebanaturalizaciis gziT iTxovos saqarTvelosmoqalaqeoba?_ samoqalaqo reestris saagentom, rocaTqva, rom naturalizaciis saSualebiT arSeiZleba moqalaqeobis miReba daTurme sxva gziT unda wavsuliyaviT.maT am mosazrebis dasasabuTebladunda moeyvanaT konkretuli norma, anbrZanebuleba. saqarTvelos kanonSimoqalaqeobis Sesaxeb, aris 33-e muxlisaTauriT, saqarTvelos prezidentisuflebamosilebani moqalaqeobissakiTxis gadawyvetasTan dakav-SirebiT sadac vkiTxulobT: prezidentiuflebamosilia miiRos ucxoelmoqalaqeTa da moqalaqeobis armqone pirTa ganacxadi saqarTvelosmoqalaqeobis miRebis Taobaze. rogorcxedavT, kanonSi aris ori kategoriasaqarTvelos moqlaqeobis miRebisSesaxeb. ase, rom pirvel etapzeve ikveTeba,rom iusticiis saministros mier gamotaniligadawyvetileba ukanonoa. amasTan arsebobsprezidentis 2009 wlis 30 ianvris#34 brZanebuleba, saqarTvelos moqalaqeobissakiTxTxebze ganacxadebis ganxilvis wesisSesaxeb. brZanebulebis Tanaxmad, samoqalaqoreestris saagento valdebulia, moqalaqeobissakiTxis ganxilvis procesSi ganmcxadebelsganumartos kanonis moTxovnebi,saqarTvelos moqalaqeobis miRebis SemTxvevaSisxva qveynis moqalaqeobaze uaris Tqmisaucileblobis Sesaxeb. es norma niSnavsimas, rom saqarTvelos moqalaqeobis miRebismsurveli piri aris ucxo qveunis moqalaqeda saagento ganumartavs mas, Tu raSedegemi mohyveba misTvis, saqarTvelos moqalaqeobismiRebas. amave brZanebulebaSiaris specialuri gancxadebis formac, romliTacpiri mimarTavs prezidents moqalaqeobismiRebis Taobaze. gancxadebis formaSimeoTxe punqtad miTiTebulia moqalaqeoba,anu ganmcxadebeli uTiTebs, Tu romeliqveynis moqalaqea. amasTan gancxadebaSi bolopunqtad miTiTebulia, rom moqalaqeobismoTxovnis dakamayofilebis SemTxvevaSipiri uars ityvis moqmed moqalaqeobaze.swored ganacxadis es forma Seavso biZinaivaniSvilma naturalizaciis miRebis gziTsaqrTvelos moqalaqobis miniWebasTan dakav-SirebiT. amitom, iusticiis saministros argumenti,TiTqos saqarTvelos kanoniT ekrZalebapirs, romelic aris sxva qveynis moqalaqe,mimarTos saminisros naturalizaciissafuZvelze moqalaqeobis miRebis TaobazeaSkra sicruea._ Tqven warmoadgineT debulebebiromlis Tnaxmad, ganmarteT, Tu ratom arisiusticiis saministros gadawyvetileba ukanono.amitom Cndeba kiTxva, maSin Tu gadawyvetilebakanonTan winaaRmdegobrivia, ratomarRvevs xelisufleba sajaroTkonstitucias?_ gadawyvetileba, rodesacaris kanons acdenili es aris, anucodinarobis Sedegi, an es arispolitikuri gadawyvetileba._ advokatTa jgufi elodiTaseT gadawyvetilebas?_ simarTle giTxraT, ase aSkaraukanonobas, ar velodiT.vfiqrobdi, ra SeiZleboda gamxdariyouaris Tqmis safuZveli cxadia,kanonierebis CarCoebSi, magramver vifiqrebdi imas, rom <strong>saerTo</strong>dkanonidan gasul gadawyvetilebasmiiRebdnen. SeiZleba ase-Ti tipis gancxadebebic unda gakeTdes xolme,radgan rac ufro didi aris sicrue, miTufro, Znelia misi uaryofisTvis raime dasabuTebuliargumentis moyvana. samoqalaqoreestris mier gacemuli pasuxiT mixeil saakaSvilmamoixsna, valdebuleba sakuTarixelmoweriT, biZina ivaniSvilis moqalaqeobissakiTxTan dakavSirebiT uaryofiTi gadawyvetilebamieRo. am SemTxvevaSi samoqalaqoreestris saagento mxolod uarisTqmis saSualebad gamoiyenes, Tumca es sinamdvileSimixeil saakaSvilis uaria._ Tqven erT-erT gancxadebaSi aRniSneT,rom biZina ivaniSvilis moqalaqeobis sakiTxijer gadawyvetili araa da sabolooT am sakiTxsprezideti wyvets. ra vadebSi SeuZliaprezidents gadawyvetilebis miReba?_ axlac vimeoreb, rom am sakiTxze saboloogadawyvetileba saakaSvilma unda miiRos.Tumca umravlesobis wevrebis TqmiT,gadawyvetileba ukve miRebulia da am sakiTxzeprezidenti aranair dadagenilebasaRar miiRebs, rac TavisTavad kvlav kanonisdarRvevaa. igive kanoni saqarTvelos moqalaqeobisSesaxeb ambobs, rom prezidenti uflebamosiliamiiRos gadawyvetileba ucxoqveynis moqalaqisTvis saqarTvelos moqalaqeobisminiWebis Taobaze. anu kanoni gveubneba,rom dadebiTi, an uaryofiTi gdawyvetilebaunda miiRos prezidentma da ara samoqalaqoosaagentom. saqarTvelos kanonSi moqalaqeobisSesaxeb, 36-e muxlSi weria, romsaqarTvelos moqalaqeobis sakiTxebze gancaxdebasada wardginebas, ganixilavs da Sesabamisdaskvnas amzadebs samoqalaqo reestrissaagento. amave kanonis 37-e muxlSivkiTxulobT, rom saqarTvelos moqalaqeobisSeZenis Sesaxeb, gancaxadebisa da wardginebisdakamayofilebis SemTxvevaSi, saqarTvelosprezidenti gamoscems brZanebulebas,xolo uaryofi gadawyvetilebis miRebis Sem-TxvevaSi specialur gankargulebas. anu yvelaSemTxvevaSi prezidenti iRebs saboloogadawyvetilebas. amasTan kanonis Tanaxmad,prezidentis gadawyvetileba SeiZleba gasa-Civrdes, kanonmdeblobiT dadagenili wesiT.anu saCivrdeba prezodentis mier miRebuligadaawyvetileba da ara saagentos mier gamotanili.mixeil sakaSvils aRniSnul sakiTx-Tan dakavSirebiT, gadawyvetilebis gamosatanadhqonda sami Tvis vada, 5 invaridan-5 aprilamde.faqtobrivad, kanoniT dadgenilivada ukve amowurulia, prezidents ki jergadawyvetileba miRebuli ar aqvs ._ ras apirebT, aseT situaciaSi advokatebi?_ arsebobs zogadi administraciuli kodeqsiromlis Tanaxmad, Tu administraciulorganos dadgenil vadaSi gadawyvetileba argamoaqvs, am SemTxvevaSi dumili iTvlebauaryofiT pasuxad da eqvemdebareba gasaCivrebas.amitom Cven gvaqvs dro, 5 maisamdegavasaCivroT iusticiis saministros gadawyvetileba._ ras apirebT, gegmavT gadawyvetilebisgasaCivrebas?_ am SemTxvevaSi saxeze gvaqvs dumil-Si gamoxatuli gadawyvetileba, romelicaraa dasabuTebuli. Cemi azriT, mizanSewoniliiqneba gasaCivreba, Tumca amasTan es politikurisakiTxicaa da biZina ivaniSvilimiiRebs saboloo gdawyvetilebas. Tumca yvelasTvisgasagebia sasamarTlo rogor muSaobs,misi damoukideblobis xarisxi, amitomasawon-dasawonia is, Rirs Tu ara am sa-arCil kbilaSvili: simarTle giTxraT,ase aSkara ukanonobas ar velodiT...kiTxis gasaCivreba, radagan drois TvalsazrisiTacsasamarTlo sam instancias moicavs,rasac 15 Tve sWirdeba._ nebdebiT xelisuflebas?_ ara, ar vnebdebiT. gaCna meore Tema sakonstituciocvlilebebis sakiTxi. romlisarsic mdgomareobs imaSi, rom biZina ivaniSvilsar miecema moqlaqeoba, Tumca poltikuriaqtivobis saSualeba eqneba. TundacCamoayalibos partia, kenWi iyaros arCevnebzeda a.S._ faqtobrivad, am sakonstitucio cvlilebebiT,xelisufleba ivaniSvils igive pirobebsuqmnis, rasac moqalaqeobis miniWebisSemTxvevaSi Seuqmnida. Tumca moqalaqeobisminiWebaze uari ganucxades. riT xsniTam faqts?_ ar misces moqalaqeoba,Tumca sakonstitucio cvlilebebianiWebs ufro met uflebebs.am SemTxvevaSi xelisuflebas sakuTaripativmoyvareoba ar aZlevssaSualebas, sazogadoebiswinaSe, Tqvas, rom ivaniSvilsubrunebs moqalaqeobas, radganmiiCneven, rom amomrCevlis Tval-Si es nabiji aRqmuli iqneba,rogorc xelisuflebis sisuste,ukan daxeva da a.S. amitom maTTvismomakvdinebeli safrTxis SemcveliaivaniSvils mieniWos saqarTvelosmoqalaqeoba. arsebulisakonstitucio cvlilebebiT, biZina ivaniSviliiRebs ufro met garantiebs, vidresaqarTvelos moqalaqeobiT. kerZod, naturalizaciisgziT moqalaqeobis miRebis dakmayofilebisSemTxvevaSi, is tovebda safrangeTismoqalaqeobas da iqneboda mxolod saqarTvelosmoqalaqe. dRes ki ivaniSvilseubnebian, SeinarCune Seni franguli pasportida Cven saqarTvelos moqalaqeobis gare-Sec mogcmT politikuri aqtivobis SesaZleblobas.anu is privilegiebi, rac mas, rogorcsafrangeTis moqalaqes gaaCnia unar-Cundeba. kerZod, safrangeTis moqalaqes, safrangeTiskonstituciidan gamomdinare, icavsda paatronobs safrangeTis xelisufleba, esmisi kanonieri uflebaa. amitom ivaniSvil-Tan dakavSirebiT raime rom moxdes safrangeTissaelCo da sakonsulo pasuxismgebelobaskisrulobs momxdarTan dakavSirebiT,anu ivaniSvili inarCunebs ucxo saxelmwifospatronobas. amasTan paralelurad iZensim uflebebs, riTac saqarTvelos moqalaqesargeblobs.miranda nabaxteveli
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