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26 saerTo gazeTi #24 (208), 23-29.V, 2012 w.<br />
saqarTvelo, dRes Zil-sifxizlis stadiaSia,<br />
Rrmad var darwmunebuli 27 maisidan<br />
saqarTvelo da qarTveli xalxi gaiRviZebs,<br />
erT muStad Seikvreba batoni<br />
biZinas garSemo, daiwyeba didi saxalxo, erovnuli<br />
moZraoba batoni biZina ivaniSvilis xelmZRvanelobiT,<br />
rac oqtomberSi damTavrdeba didi gamarjvebiT,<br />
aRniSnuli sabolood migviyvans saqarTvelos<br />
gaerTianebamde da gabrwyinebamde, axdeba qarTveli<br />
xalxis ocneba, RmerTi gfaravdeT.<br />
27 maisi erTianobis, Rirsebis da SiSis<br />
daZlevis dRea. erT muStad SevikvrebiT<br />
TqvenTan erTad. dRevandel xelisuflebas,<br />
an wina da kidev imis winas, Tu hgonia<br />
rom biZina ivaniSvili da qarTveli xalxi gadaixdis<br />
maT SeWmul valebs da saxelmwifo qonebas,<br />
Zaan cdebian - sakuTari sisxlis fasad gadaixdian<br />
imas, ras naZarcvi da nagleji aqvT qveynis-<br />
Tvis!<br />
codvebma uwia Cvens Zalad prezidents,<br />
Zalian cudadaa. fsiqologiuri problemebis<br />
garda, mas sxva mZime daavadebac<br />
sWirs da amas ar unda medicinis doqtoris<br />
xarisxi, es rom SeamCnio. mSiSara, uzneo da<br />
codo adamiania, magram 27 maiss man da misma degradirebulma,<br />
mliqvnelma mTavrobam xalxis erToba<br />
Tu ar dainaxa, morig avantiuraze wavlen da<br />
kacma ar icis momavalSi ras moimoqmedeben. maqsi-<br />
xalxis azriT<br />
malurad ecdebian gzebis Caketvas da xelis SeSlas,<br />
magram kidev erTxel unda vivaJkacod Tbiliselebma<br />
da am tartarozebs davanaxoT Cveni Zala<br />
- mTeli qalaqi fexze unda dadges. qalebma cudad<br />
ar gamigoT, aranaklebi mamaci da Seupovrebi xarT<br />
Tqven da es araerTxel daamtkiceT. wminda iakob<br />
mociqulis xsenebis dRes gilocavT, misi madli<br />
Segvewios!<br />
mwvane gza hqonodes qarTul ocnebas aRsrulebamde!<br />
RmerTi Cvenskenaa, Cven gavimarjvebT!<br />
yvelani aqciaze!! erTad da<br />
mSvidobianad SevcvaloT xelisufleba<br />
saqarTvelos da qarTveli xalxis ukeTesi momavlisTvis<br />
!!!!!!!!<br />
SeiZleba adamians fizikurad bevri dartymisa<br />
da cemis atana SeuZlia Tundac<br />
usamarTlod, magram Rirsebis Selaxvas<br />
ver unda eguebodes, normaluri fsiqikis<br />
mqone adamiani. gavideT da erTad davuWiroT mxari<br />
ara biZina ivaniSvils, aramed Cvens qveyanaSi gardauval<br />
cvlilebebs ukeTesi momavlis imediT.<br />
biZina aucileblad mova xelisuflebaSi<br />
da damijere, rom yvela damnaSave daisjeba.<br />
imitom ki ara, rom es me minda an Sen,<br />
imitom rom sxvanairad verc is da verc<br />
momavali mTavroba Zalauflebas ver SeinarCunebs.<br />
Tanac es arc biZinas, arc sxva vinmes keTil nebas<br />
da survilze ar aris damokidebuli. qveyanaSi<br />
aRdgeba sasamarTlo da samarTali avtomaturad<br />
SeWams purs. biZinas sxva gza ar aqvs - nebismier<br />
sxva SemTxvevaSi misi reitingi 0-ze davardeba, qveyana<br />
kvlav Caefloba WaobSi da mosaxleoba kvlav<br />
nihilizmSi gadavardeba. am yvelafers rac mohyveba,<br />
mgoni kargad unda gvesmodes. droa, erTxel da<br />
samudamod gamovideT permanentuli revoluciebis<br />
epoqebidan. droa, ganviTarebis mSvid, normalur da<br />
stabilur kalapotSi moeqces qveyana.... droa!!!<br />
mand movalT, batono biZina, aba saqarTvelo<br />
aRar gvaqvs, gayides da darCa eg moedani!<br />
saakaSvilma garejic gaasxvisa. 27<br />
maisamde Tu moedanis gayidva ver moaswro<br />
- movalT.<br />
biZina ivaniSvili politikaSi Tavis Tavis<br />
gamo ar mosula, is CvenTvis movida, Cvenc<br />
aseve unda daudgeT mas gverdSi da qar-<br />
Tul ocnebas erTad avixdenT !!! amdeni ga-<br />
Wirvebuli Tu iyo saqarTveloSi ar megona ra uflebiT<br />
iZaxis nacionaluri moZraoba rom win mivdivarTo<br />
??? sakuTari Tavis win svlas gulisxmoben<br />
etyoba materialuri mdgomareobiT da amaSi mec<br />
daveTanxmebi rom win midian sagrZnoblad .<br />
nino nino CxobaZe: saniaRvre<br />
sistemebze pasuxismgebeli uwyeba,<br />
samwuxarod, ar arsebobs<br />
TbilisSi momxdar wyaldidobas,<br />
romelsac oTxi adamiani emsxverpla<br />
sazogadoebaSi bevri kiTxvis niSnebi<br />
gaaCina. SeiZleboda, Tu ara tragediis<br />
Tavidan acileba da arsebobs Tu<br />
ara saSiSroeba Zlieri wvimis SemTxvevaSi<br />
analogiuri situaciis ganmeorebis<br />
mosalodnel SesaZleblobaze<br />
,,saerTo gazeTs” arasamTavrobo organizacia<br />
,,mwvaneTa moZraoba _ dedamiwis<br />
megobrebi” xelmZRRvaneli nino<br />
CxobaZe esaubra.<br />
_ qalbatono nino, TbilisSi momxdar<br />
tragedias sazogadoebis nawili<br />
saniaRvre sistemis gaumarTaobas<br />
ukavSirebs. rogoria Tqveni pozicia<br />
am sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT da Tu iziarebT<br />
am pozicias?<br />
_ zustad es gaxda erT-erTi<br />
mTavari mizezi momxdari ubedurebisa<br />
da kidev is, rom TbilisSi xevebi sa-<br />
Tanadod gawmendili ar aris. Tbilis-<br />
Si 60-ian wlebSi, roca<br />
mdinare kojris wylis<br />
adidebis Sedegad gogirdis<br />
abanoebSi xalxi daixrCo,<br />
miiRes gadawyvetileba<br />
da TbilisSi<br />
yvela xevi mudmivad<br />
mowmdeboda da Sesabamisad<br />
iwmindeboda. samwuxarod,<br />
dRes es sistema<br />
aRar arsebobs da amas<br />
kidev saniaRvre sistemebis<br />
gaumarTaoba emateba.<br />
_ Tu flobT informacias,<br />
bolos rodis<br />
moxda saniaRvre sistemebis<br />
SekeTeba?<br />
_ sadrenaJo sistema<br />
TbilisSi Zalian avariul mdgomareoba-<br />
Sia. is daaxloebiT oc welze metia<br />
ar gawmendila, Sesabamisad rodesac<br />
didi naleqis raodenoba modis da amas<br />
sadrenaJo sistema e. w. saniaRvreebi<br />
ver atareben, xdeba wyaldidobebi. Zalian<br />
bevr SemTxvevaSi mSeneblebma ar<br />
ician, roca raRacas aSeneben, rom ketaven<br />
saniaRvre arxebs. igive SemTxveva<br />
moxda baTumSi, qobuleTSi, roca<br />
wyalSi daixrCo xalxi mxolod da<br />
mxolod imitom, rom saniaRvre sistemebze<br />
daasxes asfalti.<br />
saniaRvre sistemebze pasuxismgebeli<br />
Tbilisis wyalkanali iyo. dRes<br />
wyalkanali gasxvisebulia da Tbilisis<br />
wyalmomaragebas kerZo kompania uzrunvelyofs.<br />
Tumca, aRmovaCineT, rom Tbilisis<br />
wyalkanalis gasxvisebis Semdeg<br />
saniaRvre sistema kerZo kompaniis<br />
mflobelobaSi ar gadasula. axla aRniSnuli<br />
sistema Tbilisis merias<br />
ekuTvnis da Sesabamisad pasuxismgebloba<br />
mas ekisreba. ,,mwvaneTa moZraobas”<br />
araerTxel dagvisvams sakiTxi, rom<br />
aucileblia saniaRvre sistemebis gamarTulad<br />
muSaoba, radgan saniaRvre<br />
sisitema ar aris mxolod wvimis wyali,<br />
es aris sadrenaJo wylebi, xevebi,<br />
sadac koleqtorebia aSenebuli. varazis<br />
xevze rom davdivarT, iq SeiZleba<br />
bevrma ar icis, rom patara mdinare<br />
varazi Camodis. am teritoriaze aSenebulia<br />
koleqtori da mdinare, faqtobrivad,<br />
moqceulia, ase vTqvaT, miwis<br />
qveS.<br />
minda giTxraT, rom zogadad arsebobs<br />
ramdenime tipis saniaRvre sistema:<br />
erTi _ es aris miwis qveSa wylebis Semgrovebeli<br />
sistema, meore _ wvimidan mi-<br />
Rebuli wyali, romelic gzis saval nawilze<br />
ar unda grovdebodes da unda<br />
Caedinebodes saniaRvre sistemaSi da mesame<br />
es aris patara mdinareebi, romelic<br />
dedaqalaqSi sakmaod uxvadaa da isini<br />
saboloo jamSi saniaRvre sistemas uer-<br />
Tdebian. mTavari, rac saniaRvre sistemebs<br />
ukavSirdeba aris is, rom igi araviTar<br />
SemTxvevaSi sakanalizacio sistemas<br />
ar unda uerTdebodes da damoukideblad<br />
unda arsebobdes.<br />
_ dRes ra realoba gvaqvs am mimar-<br />
TulebiT?<br />
_ situacia, am mimarTulebiT arasaxarbieloa.<br />
samwuxarod, aRmovaCineT,<br />
rom axali korpusebis saniaRvre sistema<br />
mierTebulia sakanalizacio sistemaze.<br />
roca saniaRvre sistemebze pasuxismgebeli<br />
Tbilisis meriaa, swored man<br />
unda izrunos am xarvezis gamosworebaze.<br />
Sesabamisad aRniSnuli sistemis mouwesrigebloba<br />
gaxda TbilisSi momxdari<br />
tragediis erT-erTi mizezi. meore<br />
mizezi ki gaxda is, rom orTaWalaSi<br />
xevi gawmendili ar iyo. mogexsenebaT,<br />
orTaWalaSi modis patara mdinare Sindisis<br />
wyali, romelic wvimis Sedegad<br />
adidda, koleqtorma wyali ver gaatara,<br />
radgan xeebma bunberivi gasasvleli Caxerga,<br />
ris gamoc wyali dagrovda da<br />
momxdari tragedia gamoiwvia. am konkretul<br />
SemTxvevaSi koleqtoris braleuloba<br />
nakleb savaraudoa, radgan upirveles<br />
yovlisa, mdinaris xeoba xeebisgan<br />
gawmendili unda yofiliyo, rac am Sem-<br />
TxvevaSi ase ar yofila.<br />
_ qalbatono nino, guluas moedanze<br />
yofnisas mixeil saakaSvilma aRniSna,<br />
rom safrTxes elodebodnen, Tumca<br />
ara pirdapir Tbilisis centrSi. prezidentis<br />
gancxadebidan irkveva, rom xelisufleba<br />
mosalodneli safrTxis Sesaxeb<br />
met-naklebad informirebuli iyo,<br />
Tumca adeqvaturi nabijebi ar gadaudgams.<br />
rogor fiqrobT, ra aris mizezi?<br />
_ is, rac datrialda TbilisSi,<br />
lagodexSi, gurjaansa da mcxeTa-mTianeTSi,<br />
es Cveulebrivi movlenaa, radgan<br />
globaluri daTbobis pirobebSi wvimisgan<br />
mosuli naleqis raodenoba mniSvnelovnad<br />
izrdeba, anu erTjeradad SesaZloa<br />
movides wvimis iseTi raodenoba,<br />
rac vTqvaT, erT sezonze unda mosuliyo.<br />
Sesabamisad, qalaqi, raionebi, dabebi<br />
am katastrofuli movlenebisTvis mzad<br />
unda iyos.<br />
mosaxleoba mdinaris kalapotSi<br />
ar unda cxovrobdes, radgan mdinaris<br />
adidebis SemTxvevaSi aRniSnul saxlebs<br />
ngreva emuqreba, rac ramdenime<br />
dRis win moxda. samwuxarod, xelisuflebam<br />
mxolod 12 maisis tragediis<br />
Semdeg daiwyo. e.w. barakebis demontaJi.<br />
Tumca, viRacam xom daukanona am<br />
xals saxlebi? anu is, rom saxlebi<br />
zed saniaRvre arxze da mdinaris kalapotSia<br />
aSenebuli, amis Semowmeba<br />
xom SesaZlebelia. amitom saniaRvre<br />
sistemasTan mimarTebaSi kontroli Zalian<br />
mniSvnelovania. martivi magaliTi<br />
imisa, rom saniaRvre sistemebis mowesrigebaze<br />
ar vfiqrobT, aris is, rom<br />
Tundac, TbilisSi yovel SemTxvevaSi<br />
arasamTavrobo organizaciam ver mivakvlieT<br />
saniaRvre arxebze pasuxismgebel<br />
struqturas, Tu romel uwyebas<br />
dauqvemdebara meriam aRniSnuli samsaxuri<br />
da vin awarmoebs monitorings,<br />
xeobebze vin atarebs mokvlevas da a.S.<br />
sabWoTa periodSi imis garda, rom aRniSnuli<br />
sistema wyalkanals hqonda<br />
mibarebuli da swored is iyo valdebuli<br />
gaewminda saniaRvre arxebi, qalaqSi<br />
garemosdacviTi struqturac<br />
arsebobda, romelsac evaleboda gaekontrolebina<br />
is, rom saniaRvre arxebi<br />
sakanalizacio sistemaze mierTebuli<br />
ar yofiliyo. samwuxarod, dRevandeli<br />
struqtura, romelic wesiT pasuxismgebelia<br />
garemosdacviT sakiTxebze,<br />
dakavebulia mxolod gamwvanebis<br />
funqciiT da mis SemadgenlobaSi<br />
ar Sedis saniaRvre sistemebis kontroli.<br />
_ Tu ar arsebobs struqtura, romelsac<br />
evaleba saniaRvre sistemebis<br />
kontroli, momxdari<br />
tragediidan gamomdinare<br />
visi pasuxismgeblobis<br />
sakiTxi unda dadges?<br />
_ am SemTxvevaSi mTavari<br />
is ki ar aris, Tu<br />
vin aris erTi konkretuli<br />
piri damnaSave, aramed<br />
is, rom mTlianad sistema<br />
ar aris ise gamarTuli,<br />
rogorc unda iyos.<br />
_ ramdenadac cnobilia<br />
Tqveni organizaciis<br />
warmomadgenlebi imyofebodnen<br />
mdinaris saTaveSi<br />
da uSualod daaTvaliereT<br />
SemTxvevis adgilia.<br />
ra viTareba dagxvdaT?<br />
_ xevSi aranairi samuSaoebi<br />
ar mimdinareobs da xevis<br />
gawmendaze am etapze aravin fiqrobs,<br />
rac damatebiT qmnis safrTxes. xeebi<br />
xeobaSi isev Caxergilia da Tu wylis<br />
maqsimaluri raodenoba isev movida,<br />
SesaZloa igive safrTxis winaSe aRmovCndeT.<br />
_ Seqmnili situaciidan gamomdinare<br />
raSi xedavT gamosavals?<br />
_ xedavT, rom xSirad wvims da naleqis<br />
eqstremaluri raodenoba modis,<br />
amitom axlave unda daiwyos ara marto<br />
barakebis aSla, aramed unda gaiwmindos<br />
xevebi xeebisgan. xeebi romlebic mdinaris<br />
kalapotSia da qmnis safrTxes da<br />
SesaZloa mdinarem igi moglijos da<br />
Semdeg xem kalapoti Caxergos, aseTi<br />
tipis xeebi unda moiWras.<br />
_ Tbilisis masStabiT daaxloebiT,<br />
ramdeni xevia, romelic gawmendas saWiroebs?<br />
_ bevria, zustad ar vici, magram<br />
daaxloebiT ocdaaTamde mainc iqneba.<br />
Aamitom es ara aris sakiTxi, romelic<br />
SeiZleba erTi xelis mosmiT ar gadaiWras,<br />
magram yovel SemTxvevaSi gegma da<br />
raRac daculobis momenti sazogadoebas<br />
unda hqondes.<br />
miranda nabaxteveli
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