16wangelipwa mshahara ambao unatosha. Leo mishahara haitoshi.Com. Charles Maranga: Minimum ni ngapi unayopendekeza?Col. Hastings Muhindi: Minimum, ningalipenda shilingi elfu ishirini.Com. Charles Maranga: Twenty thousand.Col. Hastings Muhindi: Thank you Bwana Commissioner.Com. Charles Maranga: Okey. Asante, sign up. Wycliff Egesa atafuatiwa na Odhiambo Swa Mak’Adudi. Mak’Adudiako? Basi utafuata. Anza kwa majina. Please, we have so many people summarize in three minutes. I know you can.Wycliff Agesa Oguda: Actually I have writen nothing. I am called Wycliff Agesa Oguda. Under the C.C.A, that is theConstituency Convention Assembly, under the N.C.C. as their umbrella, actually what I am going to say today, I’ll actuallygroup it into three. Actually I’ll talk about the Judiciary, the three arms <strong>of</strong> the government, about the Judiciary, the Legislatureand the Executive.The economy <strong>of</strong> this country has really collapsed.... Nominating and promoting and demoting. We find that the Executive, the<strong>of</strong>fice <strong>of</strong> the President, has taken all the powers, it has all the excess powers to appoint and nominate. We look at the Judiciaryas combined with the Executive. I will give an example because I stay in Nakuru. You look at Nakuru courts now and youlook at the Councillors that were elected in this town. Most <strong>of</strong> these Councillors were actually involved in corruption. Some <strong>of</strong>them were arrested, when they went to Court, it was a surprise, you find that they were released on bond and they are out. Sowhat we are saying is that we split, tujaribu kupunguza zile powers ambazo the Executive iko nazo. Tujaribu kuzipunguzakabisa.Tukikuja mambo ya Legislature, wale wabunge, yeyote ambaye anastahili kuchaguliwa kama mbunge, kama mimi, nawezakuwa na power ya ku-elect. I should have powers also to be elected, no matter the age. Isiwe lazima kuwe ati mtu amefikishamiaka ishirini na tano, ama thelathini na tano. Hapana. Iwe kwamba kwa sababu mimi nina kura naweza kupiga kura. Kwahivyo nina haki hata mimi kuchaguliwa. Isikuje kuwe kwamba ati mtu amefikisha miaka fulani ndiyo aweze kufanya nini?Kuchaguliwa.Ya tatu nikimalizia, ninaweza sema hivi. Tangu tulipopata ile Katiba ambayo tunasema ni Katiba mbaya, ukiangalia hiyo Katibaambayo ni mbaya, haina utangulizi. Inasema kwamba Kenya ni nchi inayojitawala yenyewe. Haielezei hawa Wa<strong>kenya</strong> wakowapi kama Wa<strong>kenya</strong>. So ile Constitution ambayo tutakuwa nayo lazima iwe na utangulizi, ielezee Wa<strong>kenya</strong> wako wapi,
17wanafanya nini, na wanaelekea wapi. Kwa hivyo tunasema ya kwamba, tukiangalia hii Katiba, hatukuipata kwa urahisi. Hatawale wazungu waki-release the paper, they never released the paper as easily as that. Walienda kwa sababu kulikuwa namaafa. Wa<strong>kenya</strong> walipigania. Mimi ningependekeza hivi kwa hii Tume ya leo ya Katiba, Katiba ambayo tunatakakuitengeneza, na we hope that you don’t have a draft paper, that maybe you are comparing our views with a draft paper youmight be having. What I’m saying is this. Kama ile Katiba maoni ambayo tutatoa, ni hiyo ndiyo Katiba ambayotutakayoandikiwa.Tunataka Wa<strong>kenya</strong> wamiliki bunduki. Kwa sababu, sheria zetu lazima tuzilinde na silaha. Na mtu atasema kwamba tunasemabunduki, kila mtu atapewa bunduki na kadhalika. Watu wanatembea na silaha. Masaai wako na sword, hiyo ni silaha. Lakinibunduki kama kila M<strong>kenya</strong> atapewa, ukiangalia wakati tulipoanza kupigana kuhusu mambo ya kutafuta tuwe na Katiba mpya,wanafunzi wamekufa, polisi wamekufa. Wananchi wa kawaida wamefuka, kwa sababu tulitaka Katiba mpya. Walikufa kwasababu polisi walitumia silaha kwa wananchi ambao hawakuwa armed. So kama Wa<strong>kenya</strong> wangekuwa armed, ambao sipolisi, hatungekuwa na maafa kwa nchi hii. Kwa sababu hakuna askari atanikujia mimi nikiwa na silaha, anisimamishe kwabarabara aniulize maswali, unatoka wapi, unaelekea wapi. Ataogopa. Kwa hivyo ninasema ya kwamba kila mwananchi amilikisilaha, na hii silaha iwe hivi: Labda baada ya miezi tatu ama minne, ukipewa risasi nane, baada ya miezi mitatu ama minne, hiisilaha itaenda kukaguliwa. Kama umetumia risasi moja itajulikana umetumia kwa njia gani.Nikimalizia, asante kwa ifani yakoCom. Charles Maranga: Asante wakati wako ndio umeisha. Kwa sababu, lazima uheshimu Katiba, ama namna gani?Wycliff Egesa Oguda: Nilimalizia nitasema hivi,Com. Charles Maranga: Haya sema la mwisho.Wycliff Egesa Oguda: The Provincial Administration should be scrapped totally, kuanzia kwa Asst. Chief, they serve nointerest <strong>of</strong> any common Kenyan, the Chief, the PC, the DO and the other things, we elect Councillors to serve us. Thank you.Com. Charles Maranga: Asante. Kwanza kabisa wacha nikuelezee ya kuwa, sisi kama Tume ya Kurekebisha Katiba,hatuna draft paper yoyote ambayo sisi tunalinganisha views za watu wa Kenya. Sisi maoni yenu ndiyo tutachukuwa na hizoreports mtaziona. Na hizo riporti zetu ambazo tutaandika kisheria, utaona, tunaelewana?Wycliff Agesa Oguda: Thank you, Sir.Com. Charles Maranga: Kwa hivyo hatuna any Constitutional Draft paper. Kitu cha pili, pengine ningekuuliza swali moja.
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