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Sia, SeiZleba iTqvas da es krizisi<br />
xangrZlivad gagrZelda.<br />
erTaderTi, visac amis realuri<br />
mcdeloba hqonda, rom erovnuli<br />
ideis realizeba moexdina,<br />
es iyo saakaSvili. raRac nawil-<br />
Si man es gaakeTa, magram didwilad<br />
manac es yvelaferi farsad<br />
aqcia da, saboloo jamSi,<br />
procesi isev CamoiSala, anu<br />
sazogadoeba ver Seikra.<br />
principSi, misi formulireba<br />
(rodesac „vardebis revoluciis”<br />
dros xelisufleba-<br />
Si modioda), misi amocanebi da<br />
miznebi, ai, am gamaerTianebel<br />
ideas Zalian hgavda. pirveli<br />
ori-sami wlis dinamika aCvenebda,<br />
rom marTla raRac saocari<br />
da axali xdeboda qveyanaSi. es<br />
is ori-sami weliwadia, roca<br />
Cven yvela marTla gaverTiandiT,<br />
rodesac korufcia damarcxda,<br />
sajaro seqtori gaimarTa,<br />
milicieli policieli<br />
gaxda da a. S.<br />
magram, saboloo jamSi, aqac<br />
didi imedgacrueba movida, radgan<br />
sistemam iZalada. sistemam<br />
adamianebze Zaladoba daiwyo,<br />
adamianis uflebebis ukan cocxali<br />
adamiani veRar dainaxa<br />
da isev polarizacia daiwyo. es<br />
ukve 2006 wlis Semdeg xdeba.<br />
faqtobrivad, es Sansi, romelic<br />
realurad gvqonda, xelidan<br />
gavuSviT. es Sansi mxolod<br />
2003-2005 wlebSi iyo, magram,<br />
samwuxarod, mcdelobis miuxedavad,<br />
es ar gamogvivida.<br />
am dros Semkvreli idea ra<br />
iyo? es iyo keTildReoba da<br />
Tavisufleba, rasac saakaSvili<br />
gvTavazobda. Tu am keTildReobisTvis<br />
man raRac nabijebi gadadga,<br />
Tavisuflebis mxriv, samwuxarod,<br />
bevri araferi gaukeTebia;<br />
radgan is revoluciuri<br />
principiT moqmedebda, _<br />
xes rom Wrian, nafotebi cvivao.<br />
am principiT moqmedebda da es<br />
revoluciuri midgoma absoluturad<br />
uvargisia sazogadoebis<br />
gasaerTianeblad. ase rom, manac<br />
fiaskoTi daamTavra.<br />
rac Seexeba dRevandel xelisuflebas,<br />
mas mcdelobac ki<br />
ar hqonia am mxriv ramis gakeTebisa.<br />
xuTi welia, xelisufleba-<br />
Si arian da „sisxliani cxra<br />
wlis” meti araferi aqvT saTqmeli.<br />
Sesabamisad, Tu rames kraven,<br />
isev TavianT raRac eleqtoralur<br />
narCenebs da adamianebs<br />
mudmivad warsuliT acxovreben.<br />
isini momavalSi ar<br />
iyurebian, warsuli cxra Tu<br />
aTi wliT kvebaven da, faqtobrivad,<br />
ver xvdebian imas, rom<br />
TviTonve Wrian im tots,<br />
romelzec sxedan.<br />
anu isini ganviTarebaze ki ar<br />
arian orientirebulebi, aramed<br />
warsulSi eZeben mudmivad sakuTari<br />
warumateblobis mizezebs.<br />
_ dRes ra unda iyos eris<br />
gamaerTianebeli ideis mTavari<br />
qvakuTxedi?<br />
_ mTavari qvakuTxedi, isev<br />
da isev, adamiani unda iyos. gavimeoreb,<br />
ra sWirdeba adamians:<br />
es aris keTildReoba da Tavisufleba.<br />
unda gamovacxadoT,<br />
arsebobs politikuri neba, rom<br />
vimoZraoT am ori ZiriTadi<br />
miznis Sesasruleblad, misaRwevad.<br />
anu meti Tavisufleba<br />
adamians da, bunebrivia, keTildReoba,<br />
es ori Rirebuleba<br />
erTmaneTze gadabmulia.<br />
rac Seexeba formulirebas,<br />
amis Tqma gamiWirdeba, magram am<br />
or raRacaze unda idges is Se-<br />
Tavazeba, rasac esa Tu is politikuri<br />
Zala sistemurad dagvanaxvebs.<br />
wvrilmanebze, konkretul<br />
Temebze yvela saubrobs, magram<br />
sruli masStabiT aseTi SeTavazeba<br />
aravis gaukeTebia. samwuxarod,<br />
am formulirebas ver getyviT,<br />
magram is arsebobs.<br />
_ ramdenad mieca saTanado<br />
Sefaseba Tbilisis samoqalaqo<br />
oms, aseve pasuxismgebloba<br />
aiRes iniciatorebma Tu Sem-<br />
sruleblebma?<br />
_ saerTod, saqarTveloSi<br />
pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxi Zalian<br />
problemuria. ra Tqma unda,<br />
es problemurobaa Cveni erT-<br />
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erTi mTavari gamowveva. amis<br />
gamo Cven am ciklidan ver gamovdivarT.<br />
saboloo jamSi, dausjelobis<br />
sindromi universaluri<br />
argumentia yvela xelisufalisTvis,<br />
rom sanam is aris,<br />
aris da mere imis SiSi ar aqvs,<br />
rom SeiZleba, realurad, daisajos.<br />
dRevandel xelisuflebasac<br />
xom TiTqos dasja unda, magram<br />
akviateba mxolod saakaSvilze<br />
aqvs da danarCeni, Turme, yvela<br />
angelozi yofila. magali-<br />
Tad, koleqtiuri murusiZe<br />
sasamarTloSi.<br />
ai, axla, magaliTad, saakaSvils<br />
Sewyalebis saqmeze asamarTleben<br />
da am saqmis pirdapiri<br />
nawilia murusiZis mier im<br />
adamianebis Sewyalebis momzadeba.<br />
imas vgulisxmob, rom murusiZes<br />
maTTvis es sasjelis<br />
vadebi rom ar Seemcirebina, saakaSvils<br />
kanonieri safuZveli<br />
ar eqneboda maTi SewyalebisTvis.<br />
anu es safuZveli murusiZem<br />
Seqmna. Sesabamisad, Tu rame danaSauli<br />
iyo, murusiZe aRniSnuli<br />
danaSaulis Tanamonawilea.<br />
dRes ki, saerTod, sistemis mayureblad<br />
daniSnes.<br />
ai, ase emarTeboda yvela xelisuflebas.<br />
igivea, vin unda<br />
Seafasos dRes samoqalaqo omi?<br />
isea yvelaferi aRreuli, rom<br />
realurad sistema ar Secvlila.<br />
es sistema mudmivad transformirebas<br />
ganicdis da saku-<br />
Tar Tavs arasodes daisjis.<br />
dResac, saakaSvilis drosac,<br />
Zalian bevri iyo im samoqalaqo<br />
omis Tanamonawile da aseT<br />
dros aravin aris dainteresebuli,<br />
rom raRac procesebi<br />
realurad Seafasos, radgan<br />
gasagebia, rom sakuTar Tavs<br />
aravin iWers. ramdeni SemiZlia<br />
dagisaxeloT iseTi adamiani,<br />
romelic „mxedrionSi”, gvardiaSi<br />
iyo im periodSi da mas Semdeg<br />
sul xelisuflebaSia, arasodes<br />
dautovebia es xelisufleba.<br />
bunebrivia, es adamianebi politikuri<br />
SefasebiT dainteresebuli<br />
ar arian. Sesabamisad,<br />
ras unda velodoT? _ arafers.<br />
albaT, istoria Seafasebs, roca<br />
emociebi Cacxreba; es Taoba<br />
am qveynidan, yovel SemTxveva-<br />
Si, politikidan wava da istoria<br />
Seafasebs. magram es mxolod<br />
istoriuli Sefaseba iqneba da<br />
ara samarTlebrivi.<br />
_ ramdenad arsebobs qveyanaSi<br />
msgavsi Ria dapirispireb-<br />
is safrTxe dRes?<br />
_ Cven mudmivad am procesSi<br />
varT da, upirvelesad, xelisufleba<br />
uwyobs amas xels. rodesac<br />
pozitiuri dRis wesrigi ar<br />
gaqvs, negatiur xazs mihyvebi,<br />
viRacas mtris xatad acxadeb<br />
da masTan imitirebuli omiT<br />
ginda, rom rogorme Tavi gaitano,<br />
amitom es dapirispireba<br />
yovelTvis aris.<br />
axla am dapirispirebas seriozuli<br />
saxelmwifoebrivi krizisi<br />
mohyveba Tu ara, yovel Sem-<br />
TxvevaSi, saSualovadian periodSi<br />
amas ver vxedav, radgan<br />
politikuri alternativa, visac<br />
SeuZlia, es procesi warmar-<br />
Tos, TiTqos ar Cans.<br />
erTi mxriv, „nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba” sakmaod kargad organizebuli<br />
Zalaa, magram is Caketili<br />
sistemaa, am istoriul<br />
etapze ganviTarebis perspeqtiva<br />
ar gaaCnia. aqedan gamomdionare,<br />
ar mgonia, rom axlo periodSi<br />
raRac saxelmwifoebrivi<br />
krizisi moxdes, magram es imas<br />
ar niSnavs, rom krizisis safuZveli<br />
ar arsebobs. es safuZveli<br />
aris, magram ar arsebobs<br />
lideri, romelic am krizisis<br />
winapirobis kapitalizacias<br />
moaxerxebs. ai, rogorc ki ase-<br />
Ti lideri gamoCndeba, SeiZleba,<br />
Zalian seriozuli problemebi<br />
daiwyos. vin aris da rodis<br />
gamoCndeba es lideri, amas<br />
ver getyviT.<br />
_ ra unda gakeTdes, rom<br />
qveyanaSi msgavsi tipis samo-<br />
qalaqo dapirispireba, omi ar<br />
moxdes?<br />
_ upirvelesad, qveyana unda<br />
viTardebodes. davubrundebi<br />
imas, rom adamianebs Tavisufleba<br />
da keTildReoba unda<br />
hqondeT. dapirispirebis sababi<br />
SeiZleba bevri iyos, magram realuri<br />
mizezi swored Tavisuflebisa<br />
da keTildReobis SezRudvaa.<br />
amitom qveynis xelisufleba<br />
mudmivad unda zrunavdes,<br />
rom adamianebs es ori<br />
ram, _ Tavisufleba da keTildReoba,<br />
met-naklebad, hqondeT.<br />
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