Mark Heyman Memoir - University of Illinois Springfield

A: No. Wemay havementioned it, hxt he didn't care wk&s I mw it
or not or where I gwt my widence. I man, here was a rrran with a lot
of books atYl was farmus for fifty or sixty years and I ray have knuwn
his mrk only E m hearsay or £rm -. It didntt make any
difference to him. He never asked to lodk-I had W roll of
draw-. A couple of tires I was waderirq what I was going to do
wia it. P;nd of course was no opemkj in this haur of
philosophical disassim abmt great anAite&re. I was thhkhq hm
thequalityof thedrawiqgotworseardworseasIlisteraedtohim.
(laughs) Why shaw Frank LJayd Wright an amateur drawiq? He rawer
asked to see it. Arrd I thhk if he had seen it, even if it was rnuch
better than it was, it would have made no difference to him because
his effort--as a matter of fact, I cmld see that- I got cut to
Taliesin was, you lacrw, we are starting fram scratch. He had people
WhOwere~more~tedinarthi~tkranIwts. Iwas justan
average self-buqht draftaman. I muld do clean lines ard I hew structure a little bit of typical hawes, you knm. AmI it was an
accepkible hc#lse, but when you get into great architecture, this means
nothing. A lot: of people joined him with graduate degrees in
architecture with three or fmr years of ~imce. He WdnW t have
cared &cut their dmvjrrss either, I don't m. As amatter of
fact, I think a lot of tha had a lot of -1- because they had a
lot to unlm.
Q: H w did the mmematicm erd?
A: 1tendedthatXwasnot:goingwithGiampero. Andthentherea
lot of people standing up. %here nust have hen three or far
others. ~astheywa.eccanirrgin, Iwasonmywaymt. Iwas
standixlg up. More came in and the whole thing was all of these other
puple said, ItHello! I baventt seen yoY" and all this, And they were
in between Wi-in and Arizma. It was just the friends and fdly,
you Icrmw, rn I didn't belorrg there. I dontt nnmhr what I said to
. i t . I said, 111'11 see yau in Arizona,t1 or
Wright was busy with these uUmr people. So, I just left the Plaza
arri that was it. I just knew1 was
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going. I nwan it was clear. It
was an amazing hmsition in that bar, it was m y an bar, I
dan~t~theexactth, h t I ~ ~ c x t t s i d e ~ t o
door never havhq seen Frank LJqd Wright, mer having seen Mrs.
Frank Llm Wright, nmx having arry of the apprentices, nwer
having heard Frank Lloyd Wright, never having heard him talk to me for
an ha, ycru knew, and all of this kind of thing, then going
through all of that and then being a part of it. Qm I left the
door, Iwaspwtofthewholet%bq. (laughs) Itwas weird.
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Q: E b t you had made the psychological carmnitment to go if a-
long before the ap-?
A: Yes. Right*