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Re: Re: Atlas Decoders<br />
Posted by Stan on April 03, 2002, 05:41pm<br />
Don V. You are kidding,I hope. Why does every other decoder<br />
do this on an automatic basis, including lenz who makes the atlas<br />
decoder?<br />
Stan<br />
Re: Re: Atlas Decoders<br />
Posted by Paul on April 03, 2002, 10:45pm<br />
Don V, This is silly to have to take your locomotive apart just to<br />
run it on a friends layout who does not have Dcc. Every other<br />
decoder, Digitrax, NCE and Lenz works fine in this situation,<br />
only ATLAS requires a manual change, the rest do it automatic.<br />
Paul<br />
Re: Re: Re: Atlas Decoders<br />
Posted by Bob Miller on April 04, 2002, 12:10am<br />
On the other hand, a lot of us don't run our locos on other<br />
people's railroads. Seldom does anyone in my round robin group<br />
do that, the only reason is to show a new loco, but we all have<br />
DCC.<br />
My guess is Atlas thinks there are more of us who don't than do.<br />
Bob<br />
Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas Decoders<br />
Posted by Tim on April 04, 2002, 06:59am<br />
I think theres more to it. A company rarely does anything unless<br />
it can make money by doing it. By doing what Atlas did, they<br />
can market their locomotives as "decoder equipped" (for more<br />
$$) and be more attractive to the buyers. They can also build and<br />
sell a larger quantity of decoders that way also(cheaper in<br />
quantity). If the decoder equipped locomotive finds its home on<br />
a non-dcc layout then theres no differance from a non-decoder<br />
equipped locomotive. I may be wrong, but it makes sense.<br />
Tim<br />
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas Decoders<br />
Posted by JOHN on April 04, 2002, 09:33am<br />
I THINK THIS IS JUST AN ADVERTISING GIMICK TO<br />
MAKE US THINK WE'RE GETTING SOMETHING<br />
SPECIAL (DUAL MODE)WHEN IN FACT, OTHER<br />
DECODERS DO THIS ALL BY THEMSELVES WITHOUT<br />
HAVING TO CHANGE A PLUG. WHEN YOU COMPARE<br />
IT TO THE NCE DA-SR, IT COSTS JUST AS MUCH BUT<br />
DOESN'T HAVE AS MANY FEATURES AS THE NCE<br />
DECODER. WHY WOULD ANYONE CARE ABOUT<br />
RUNNING ANALOG IF YOU HAVE A DCC SYSTEM,I<br />
AGREE, THE MONEY ASPECT IS THE REASON FOR<br />
THIS. JOHN<br />
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas Decoders<br />
Posted by ed bradbury on April 04, 2002, 01:46pm<br />
Sorry about the question and some of the uproar it has caused.<br />
let me clarify some things.<br />
I do run my layout at home on DCC.<br />
I also belong to a modular club that runs DC only. I do run the<br />
decoder equiped locos on the club's layout. Once in a while the<br />
locos will run strangely but normally run OK; the club uses two<br />
MRC 5 amp cabs.<br />
Overall I am please with the NCE & Lenz decoders and loco<br />
performance.<br />
Thanks for the info.<br />
Re: Re: Re: Atlas Decoders<br />
Posted by DonV on April 05, 2002, 10:04am<br />
Hey! Guys! Relax. The Atlas Idea is not all that bad.<br />
The 'dual mode' jumper is accessed on their locos by lifting up a<br />
radiator/fan part of the shell. You don't have to pull the whole<br />
cab apart to switch modes.<br />
It does operate better on DC when the motor is wired directly to<br />
the track pick-ups. But you do loose lighting effects. But then<br />
we never could get control of ditch or gyra lights w/ DC<br />
anyway.<br />
DonV<br />
Re: Re: Re: Atlas Decoders<br />
Posted by Tomas Szoboszlai on April 07, 2002, 02:55pm<br />
If you set the jumper plug on an Atlas decoder for DCC<br />
operation, it will work on DCC or DC the same as other DCC<br />
decoders. You choose in CV29 whether to disable or enable DC<br />
operation.<br />
The purpose of the jumper plug is to allow the user to set the<br />
loco so the decoder is entirely out of the circuit. As mentioned,<br />
the decoder circuitry can impact DC operation, and the jumper<br />
plug eliminates that. The Atlas idea was to offer DCC without<br />
any negative impact on DC operation. I recall hearing that the<br />
Atlas decoders are basically the same as the Lenz LE103XF,<br />
except they use the Atlas circuit board's form factor and the use<br />
of the jumper plug to allow straight DC operation.<br />
Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas Decoders<br />
Posted by John on April 08, 2002, 09:19am<br />
Tomas, I think the bottom line is that Atlas should simply make<br />
their locomotives DCC ready, not DCC equipped, this way we<br />
can decide which decoder we want to use based on our<br />
individual requirements. I'm sure this would end the controversy<br />
over the Atlas decoders. I have friends who have removed these<br />
decoders and replaced them with other types. We should be able<br />
to make our own choice of decoders, I hope Atlas looks at this<br />
message board.<br />
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas Decoders<br />
Posted by Bob Miller on April 08, 2002, 09:55am<br />
Have to disagree (again). I have several Atlas diesels that came<br />
with decoders. I use the NCE system, and I don't buy Atlas<br />
decoders to "add" to other brands, but I do use the Atlas<br />
decoders as they came with the diesels and they do just fine. I do<br />
have Lenz decoders in other diesels. I see no reason to remove<br />
the Atlas decoders and replace them. And I am not the only one<br />
in my area of the world that feels the same. I think Atlas should<br />
just leave it alone.<br />
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