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Mrs. HARPER. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.<br />

I rise to support the Governor's veto. I have never seen, read,<br />

or heard <strong>of</strong> a wealthy person being electrocuted. If you have<br />

money, you can buy your freedom, and until the laws are fair, I<br />

shall continue to vote against electrocution because it is only a<br />

law against the poor.<br />

A good example is Dr. Sam Sheppard. He was convicted <strong>of</strong><br />

murdering his pregnant wife; he went free from the electric<br />

chair simply because he had the money to buy his freedom.<br />

That is why I shall continue to support the Governor's veto,<br />

Thsnk . .. -.. . > vm~ LEGISLATIVE JOURNAL-HOUSE September 13,<br />

I would like to have you consider that, and certainly I am in<br />

<strong>The</strong> SPEAKER pro tempore. <strong>The</strong> Chair recognizes the gentle- favor <strong>of</strong> overriding the Governor,s veto,<br />

man from Philadelphia. Mr. White.<br />

Mr. WHITE. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.<br />

I, too, rise to support the veto<strong>of</strong> the Governor with respect tc<br />

the death penalty here in the Commonwealth <strong>of</strong> Pennsyl<strong>vania</strong>.<br />

I think my colleague. Mrs. Harper, is absolutely correct when<br />

she states that justice really in this Commonwealth and, in<br />

fact, in this country is not justice. Being a member <strong>of</strong> the Judi-<br />

ciary Committee, we have heard testimony over and over again<br />

with regard to the disparity in sentencing as it relates to poor<br />

people, as it relates to women, as it relates to black people in<br />

the Commonwealth <strong>of</strong> Pennsyl<strong>vania</strong>.<br />

My colleague from Allegheny County cited an instance <strong>of</strong> a<br />

horrendous crime in which an individual, he claimed, was not<br />

subjected to the death penalty and, therefore, proper punish-<br />

ment, I believe in his mind, was not meted out.<br />

<strong>The</strong>re is a case in Philadelphia that I am certain all <strong>of</strong> us are<br />

aware <strong>of</strong>, which relates to the case <strong>of</strong> Mr. Red Wilkinson, an in-<br />

dividual who was convicted in our courts <strong>of</strong> a likewise heinous<br />

crime, and it was found some time later that Mr. Wilkinson was<br />

innocent. I would hate to think that any member <strong>of</strong> this House,<br />

regardless <strong>of</strong> our views on criminal justice, would condone the<br />

killing <strong>of</strong> innocent men and women. and until such time that<br />

the justice system in the Commonwealth <strong>of</strong> Pennsyl<strong>vania</strong>, until<br />

such time that the members <strong>of</strong> this House <strong>of</strong> Representatives<br />

deal with the root causes <strong>of</strong> crime, deal with the frustration <strong>of</strong><br />

people in this Commonwealth who feel that there is no justice. I<br />

would certainly hope that we would reronsider our artions with<br />

respect to the death penalty, and with that. Mr. Speaker. I<br />

would hope that the members would join with me in sustaining<br />

the Governor's veto on this measure. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.<br />

<strong>The</strong> SPEAKER pro tempore. <strong>The</strong> Chair recognizes the gentle-<br />

man from Lehigh, Mr. Zeller.<br />

Mr. ZELLER. Mr. Speaker, I would like to call to the atten-<br />

tion <strong>of</strong> the members <strong>of</strong> the House the report from the Ameri-<br />

cans for Effective Law Enforcement out <strong>of</strong> Evanston, Illinois,<br />

an organization that has been in business for some time in re-<br />

gard to crime victims' problems. I would like to get this into the<br />

record, but I want to mention just a portion <strong>of</strong> it:<br />

Our Victim's Rights Center has represented crlmr<br />

victims in the laws courts and has consulted with at-<br />

torneys across the country who are working to vindi-<br />

cate the rights <strong>of</strong> crime victims. (. . . "Do Victims<br />

Have Rights?")<br />

B~~~~~~ <strong>of</strong> this orientation we make our policy de.<br />

cisions about important criminal justice issues based,<br />

in large measure, on how the resolution <strong>of</strong> those issues<br />

affect the victims <strong>of</strong> crime.<br />

To us, the impact <strong>of</strong> capital punishment is clear. In<br />

1967 we stopped executing murderers in the united<br />

States; in that year we had just over 10,000 homi-<br />

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murder ~ victims ~ had doubled.<br />

we do not say that our failure to execute any<br />

murders at all was the only reason that homicide rates<br />

skyrocketed like they did-we do believe that it was a<br />

major factor that if we had heen enacting the su.<br />

preme penalty a large number <strong>of</strong> innocent victims<br />

would have been saved.<br />

<strong>The</strong> SPEAKER pro tempore. <strong>The</strong> Chair recognizes the gentle<br />

man from Philadelphia, Mr. Giammarco.<br />

Mr. GIAMMARCO. I rise to support theoverride. Let us take<br />

into consideration all <strong>of</strong> these children who do not have their<br />

parents anymore because <strong>of</strong> the criminals who are living in<br />

these prisons, getting their three square meals a day, watching<br />

their TV shows, watching the movies there while the other<br />

ones are 6 feet under. I feel that we should take a lot in com-<br />

pass, namely, what I have just said.<br />

Let us look over the picture. How many are in there for three<br />

murders? <strong>The</strong>y laugh. When will there he their fourth murder<br />

or their fifth? If we continue to let them get away with it, this<br />

is what is going to happen. So I feel that we all should take into<br />

consideration all <strong>of</strong> these broken families because <strong>of</strong> the indi-<br />

viduals who are sitting in there living high <strong>of</strong>f the hog and<br />

laughing at us because they are living a good life and the other<br />

individual is 6 feet under. Thank you.<br />

<strong>The</strong> SPEAKER pro tempore. <strong>The</strong> Chair recognizes the gentle-<br />

man from Allegheny, Mr. Trello.<br />

Mr. TRELLO. Mr. Speaker, I rise to support the override <strong>of</strong><br />

the Governor's veto. My two colleagues from Philadelphia-al-<br />

though I respect what they have to say and I will defend to the<br />

end their right to say it, and also my other colleague from<br />

Philadelphia who supports the veto, I defend his right-talked<br />

about children not having their parents around. What about<br />

the parents who do not have their children around?<br />

As a police commissioner for 6 years in the borough <strong>of</strong><br />

Coraopolis. I have had occasion to see victims - children who<br />

were raped, strangled, stabbed with ice picks, and beaten to<br />

death. I pray to God that I die before my children, because I<br />

think that is the worst thing that could ever happen to a par-<br />

ent. And what about these parents who have had their children<br />

raped and victimized?<br />

I, too, am a Christian and believe in the 10 Commandments.<br />

although I am not a born-again Christian, but I am a good<br />

Christian who goes to church.<br />

I urge everybody to support the override <strong>of</strong> the Governor's<br />

veto. It is something that Pennsyl<strong>vania</strong> has lacked for many,<br />

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many years and something that we should have starting today.<br />

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<strong>The</strong> SPEAKER pro tempore. <strong>The</strong> Chair recognizes the gentle-<br />

man fromphiladelphia. Mr. Richardson.<br />

Mr. RICHARDSON. Thank you very much. Mr. Speaker.

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