2005 Proceedings - Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War

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Charlie Kuhn, Department of Pennsylvania That’s the problem right there. Charles Funk, Department Missouri Charles Funk, Department of Missouri. May I suggest, that number ten be added and that basically would be in reference to that, since the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War by being members are not required to wear a period uniform that they may fall in at the rear of the uniform gentlemen and still be able to participate? It has been noted that this is an affair not just of reserve or of re-enactors but it is an affair where the procession includes all men of the Civil War Sons of Union Veterans of Civil War. I propose that a ten paragraph in there that would open up the policy that these people could also join in and that possibly another number eleven, in that anybody else, for instance, we’ve got a gentlemen that just came back from Iraq, he will be here Saturday at the banquet. That these people also may be able to join in after we have done this with Sherman Day where those people who are in civilian clothes of Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War also join a procession but after the uniform people. Thank you. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels We will hear one more objection. If there is one. David Proper, Department of New Hampshire I support Brother Powell’s motion that this should not be adopted in the form that it is. That people should be permitted to march in that parade in appropriate attire but not necessarily historic uniforms. Charlie Kuhn, Department of Pennsylvania May I rebut this? Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels Yes you may. Charlie Kuhn, Department of Pennsylvania Okay I mean I’m not being a villain here. I would like to see all the members of the organization in uniform but being Provost Marshall for the parade creates a real nightmare. I had Boy Scouts show up last year. I had other civilian groups show up. I saw a guy in a Confederate uniform totally in red dressed like Santa Claus with bells on his feet walking around. Okay, and that is the truth, the gospel truth. Eric stood out at the angle and he said, “Look at that going there.” Where does this end, if we don’t set a line here? Where does it end? We say that we are allowing modern business attire for the Commander-in-Chief and the heads of the Allied Orders. Now the women will want to be in the parade too. Are we going to allow them in the parade and maybe next, we are going to allow patriotic individuals or organizations to participate, like the JROTC. The Boy Scouts were there and they were told that they could march with a re-enactment unit that was there. Okay, somebody told them they could march with them and in reality this is a unique parade. There is nothing like it anywhere else in the world. We have the distinction of having that parade and I’ll tell you what, folks, if you stand at the bottom of Baltimore Hill and watch the Union Units come over the top with the flags flying, you will think you see a division of the Army of the Potomac coming down the street. I mean it is just so unbelievable and like I say, I don’t object to the fact that people wish to have members of the organization. I feel strongly that at some point, we have to say enough is enough, because if we allow them, what about in six months from now or six years from now? Somebody comes from the K.K.K. and they want to be in or from the Neo-Nazis and they want to be in. I had a guy that wanted to pull a hearse last year. You know you have to set a line and you got to stand firm. I hate to say that, but this is the only way we are going to get around it so it’s got to be period. Past Commander-in-Chief, Richard Orr Department of Pennsylvania I think we are loosing sight the fact that Remembrance Day is four distinct events. The Parade is an SVR activity. Who marches in it, is up to the SVR, That is not a National Organization activity. The ceremony involving the monument is the National Organization program and activity. And there is the Past Commander’s and Past President’s of South Central Pennsylvania banquet. And the Military Ball, 26
un by the Ball Committee. So we got four different activities in one day and this really is under the purview of the SVR. It is up to them who they allow in that parade. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels Okay. By coincidence, we have the Commanding General of the SVR. Brigadier General David V. Medert, Commanding General SVR Commander-in-Chief, to you and through you to the Brothers here assembled, I am probably the one that made the biggest decision last year, not to allow that 109 th to march in the parade and believe me I’m retired Navy, I’m a flag waiving, apple pie eating individual. This unit just came back from Iraq and believe me, it is a hard decision to have to make. Do you allow a unit that’s over here, trying to defend democracy, trying to establish freedom and then you don’t allow them to march in a parade? Well, we had to sit back and take a look. What is the design of this parade? What’s it for? You will sit there and ask this question? There are about a hundred and fifty people in here. You will have a hundred and fifty different answers. Okay, some say it’s to remember Woolson. Albert Woolson was never there. If Remembrance Day is for Woolson, the Confederates should never be there. If it is to honor the Union men that died there, the Confederates should not be there. So, we need to establish first what’s the purpose of Remembrance Day. Now, when this Unit – we were very polite going to them and saying we appreciate your service, however, there are other avenues for you to represent. There is Veterans Day Parades, there is Memorial Day Parades, there is the Fourth of July Parade and we are trying to stay period. And the Commander-in-Chief and I very much worked together with Charlie Kuhn on the Urinary Olympics that ensued after that parade was over. Encampment Laughter. Brigadier General David V. Medert, Commanding General SVR So you have to really sit back, we do have to draw a line. I think that the Remembrance Day Parade now is to remember the individuals that fought and died there, irregardless of what side they fought on. Okay, if we do allow all the civilian attire, as I am hearing all of the discussion here, and believe me I do appreciate that, I do. If there is a separate division that could be made, just for civilian attire and so forth. But if we don’t do something, we are going to have every organization, especially in November, following elections. You are going to have the politicians marching, you are going to have the fire trucks in there some time, you are going to open it up. That’s why we sat down and said this should be uniform, except for the current presiding National Officers. That way, it is going to eliminate any of the what if’s that appear on assembly day. So, that is the reason why a lot of this came up and I think you all needed to know that background. For many years, we had an active duty Colonel marching with us at the head of the General Staff and then standing at the parade field. He came this year to march and two weeks later he was deployed to Iraq. I had to make that unpleasant decision to tell him, you cannot march this year in this parade because of the decision we had to make. And then he stood on the sideline and saw that unit break in and then march. So, there was a lot of stuff that happened. So, I do support what the Committee has come up with and I hope you can all understand. I understand your situations, where we are members of the Sons, we want to be represented and so forth but when you are looking at six thousand participants you’re not going to make six thousand happy. Thank you very much, Commander-in-Chief. Charlie Kuhn, Department of Pennsylvania This is my second time up and this will be my last time. Did we advise them what was approved last night? After what occurred last November Remembrance Day, the Remembrance Day Committee was asked to come up with an intent and purpose for Remembrance Day and this is what we came up with. “Remembrance Day is a time to honor those who have gone before us through the blood and suffering of the American Civil War, Our Forefathers. Regardless of their sacrifices, whether on the field of Gettysburg or some other Civil War Battlefield. It is also a time to remember President Lincoln’s immortal Address.” That is the purpose of Remembrance Day that was approved by the Council of Administration. 27
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and listen. There are Brothers in t
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Several Second. Commander-in-Chief
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Frank Tucker, Department of Massach
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carrying out the mandates of his of
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the discussion a substitute motion
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Henry Shaw, Department of Ohio Late
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we have created what is known as th
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National Counselor James B. Pahl Co
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Past Commander-in-Chief Richard Orr
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Encampment Strucken, Laughter. Char
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Past Commander-in-Chief George Powe
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Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels
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Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels
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Department of Massachusetts Ed Norr
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Eagle Scout Certificate Coordinator
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same, so we can have a history of a
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Appendix 1 Reports of National Offi
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New Jersey: 6 New York: 12 Ohio: 12
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Grave-side Memorial Day services, a
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Treasurer (Max Newman) Due to last
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them to join the other Allied Order
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Eagle Scout Coordinator (Bob Petrov
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Franklin Haley (MA) Harold Slavik (
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I will be publishing a newsletter a
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this report, a preliminary draft of
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Web Site Usage - During the past qu
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That Departments/CALs which do file
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The intent of this law and the Stat
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CHAPTER III ARTICLE VII Committees
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PC-in-C Loomis presented a memorial
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Remembrance Day (Bud Atkinson) The
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Tempe Boone Reynolds, age unknown,
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Appendix 2 Council of Administratio
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membership badge or miniature badge
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space for full mailing and e-mail a
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inform the Council if members will
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and business obligations. SVC-in-C
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summarized the feeling of many pres
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Officers present who wished to give
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Commander-in-Chief Michaels then re
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C-in-C Michaels reported on the inq
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that he could attend to this. Broth
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February 8, 2005 A motion was made
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16. We, as an Order, are limited on
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YEAR NAME DEPARTMENT 1881 Harry T.
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NUMBERYEAR DATES LOCATION 1st 1882
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Date of Report: 30 June 2005 Page 1
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