2005 Proceedings - Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War

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Brother Orr pointed out very clear. There are four different functions on that day run by different groups and if you look at the overall there are a lot of different functions that the re-enactor units do separate from what we do. But for us, importance is what the Grand Army did, that is our Forefathers and that is the day we remember them. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels Thank you Brother Kuhn. Brother Orr has suggested that this really is part of the SVR to set the policy for participation and I think we need to get a sense if what are the wishes of the body here. Senior Vice Commander-in-Chief Donald Darby I believe one if not, well now two, if not three, C of A meetings ago the SUVCW took charge of the entire Remembrance Day. From Zero-Eight Hundred until Midnight that night and so, it is not a SVR decision; it is now a SUVCW decision based on the vote of the Council of Administration two to three meetings ago. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels Thank you are there any other requests for information regarding these roles? John McNulty, Department of Pennsylvania Point of information that Brother Darby gave to the Encampment. The Remembrance Day banquet is still run by the Past Commander’s, Past President’s Association of Pennsylvania, it is not run by the National Organization. Senior Vice Commander-in-Chief Donald Darby I stand corrected on that Commander-in-Chief. The banquet is on it’s own but the parade and the other things are the Sons. Brigadier General David V. Medert, Commanding General SVR Commander-in-Chief, for the last time to you and the Brothers, who are assembled, again, I’m not for this or against. You’ve heard me state the reason why we came up with the decision. When you vote on this particular legislation, consider the ramifications what way it can affect all the way across because there were some real problems…. If you had the opportunities to view the Websites, and believe me, Commander Michaels and I were called everything, every colored metaphor you could think of someone ever knew of. Really sit back and think about what kind of ramifications it’s going to have. Keep the theme of why we have Remembrance Day and what we are trying to do, both North and South. Whether you like the South or not, what we are really trying to do in preserving history and that is the only thing that I am asking you to consider when you are casting your ballot on this. Thank you Commander-in-Chief. Glenn Knight, Department of Pennsylvania I’m concerned that the Council of Administration is able to make such a sweeping decision and not have it challenged by the body. This is the authority, this Encampment is the authority for running the Organization, not the Council of Administration in a quite room some place. How many people, six or seven people, get together and decide what’s going to happen for the Organization? I think if this happened, it should be brought up on the floor at this point and a decision should be made whether or not that was the right decision to make for the Organization. I don’t think the Council of Administration actually has the authority to do that. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels I’m unclear to what decision. Past Commander-in-Chief Richard Orr, Department of Pennsylvania Commander-in-Chief, I would move you to send this back to the Committee to take into consideration the comments that we have made here relevant to item one. And, that the Remembrance Day Committee be empowered to adopt whatever rules they feel necessary for this year. Several Second Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels Motion has been moved and seconded. Any discussion? 28
Charlie Kuhn, Department of Pennsylvania I think we need to resolve this here and now. We will look like a bunch of wishy-washy people here, coming back in one year. We have this set of rules this year and next year we got another set of rules. Let’s face it, people don’t read the rules anyhow. When they go, we got an extra sheet this time, oh, here is a new set of rules, and they will comply with them. Next year they will get the another sheet, even though there are changes, they won’t even look at them. I think we need to resolve this issue now, once and for all. It’s over and done with, we move ahead. Like I say, I’m torn between this though. We need to come with up some decision. We need to have a set of rules for participation in the parade. Dale Theetge, Department of New York The reason that we are talking about this is that a National Guard man, I guess it was, was told not to march and we want some regulations to determine who is going to go. I just hate to see a blanket thing that says that if I, as a Sons of Union Veteran Member, which supports everything that the organizations SVR and SUVCW is all about, can’t march in a parade because I am not a special officer. I think it excludes things like Sidney Camp’s Color Guard, if they should happen to want to come along and march. You know these are Sons, they should be able to participate. I’m adamantly for excluding all the things that need to be excluded, I just don’t want to see us exclude Sons of Union Veterans and SVR members, that are not dressed in some type of special uniform or are special people. Thank you. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels Thank you Brother. Colonel Henry Shaw, Adjutant General SVR With knowledge of some certain amount of what is being done in the SVR. It is my understanding that the acrimony, such as it is, has to do with the last sentence of the first paragraph. Indeed the paragraph numbered one. It crossed my mind and I think I sent a note out to Charlie and to Bud, that a sentence perhaps could defuse a lot of things, if it is worded in this fashion. “Through a tradition established forty-nine years ago only the following….” and so on. And then that would perhaps address the folks that are in civvies. I’ll just pass that along for what I passed along to Charlie and to Bud. Perhaps that would defuse it, okay. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels Sure. I’ll hear one more comment from Brother Proper. David Proper, Department of New Hampshire I’ll just make a quick comment. I’ve gone down for Remembrance Day for a number of years. I would be privileged to march in the parade, but I can’t because I don’t have a uniform. My Great Grandfather fought at Gettysburg with the 14 th Vermont and a Great Grand Uncle was killed at Gettysburg with the 5 th New Hampshire. But I can’t participate in the parade up to this point, unless I have a military uniform and I’m not a military person. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels Brother Kuhn. Charlie Kuhn, Department of Pennsylvania A point of information this raises. You said about established forty-nine years ago. Over the years, we have allowed Brothers to be in, that were in regular business suit attire and we allowed members of our organization, who are serving in the armed forces currently, to wear their class A uniforms. So, it’s really not a tradition. I could show you photographs in the file there, when that thing was dedicated, there at Zigler’s Grove and there were people of all different types of clothing you know. So it really isn’t a tradition. Okay. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels There is a motion and a second on the floor. Paul Ellis Graham, Department of New York Point of information. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels Yes Brother. 29
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Several Second. Commander-in-Chief
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Frank Tucker, Department of Massach
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carrying out the mandates of his of
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the discussion a substitute motion
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Henry Shaw, Department of Ohio Late
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we have created what is known as th
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Past Commander-in-Chief Richard Orr
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Encampment Strucken, Laughter. Char
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Past Commander-in-Chief George Powe
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Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels
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Department of Massachusetts Ed Norr
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Eagle Scout Certificate Coordinator
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same, so we can have a history of a
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Appendix 1 Reports of National Offi
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New Jersey: 6 New York: 12 Ohio: 12
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Grave-side Memorial Day services, a
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Treasurer (Max Newman) Due to last
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them to join the other Allied Order
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Eagle Scout Coordinator (Bob Petrov
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Franklin Haley (MA) Harold Slavik (
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I will be publishing a newsletter a
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this report, a preliminary draft of
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Web Site Usage - During the past qu
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That Departments/CALs which do file
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The intent of this law and the Stat
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CHAPTER III ARTICLE VII Committees
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PC-in-C Loomis presented a memorial
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Tempe Boone Reynolds, age unknown,
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membership badge or miniature badge
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space for full mailing and e-mail a
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inform the Council if members will
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and business obligations. SVC-in-C
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summarized the feeling of many pres
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Commander-in-Chief Michaels then re
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February 8, 2005 A motion was made
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16. We, as an Order, are limited on
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Lincoln Tomb Ceremony April 15, 200
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Sons of Confederate Veterans Reunio
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YEAR NAME DEPARTMENT 1881 Harry T.
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NUMBERYEAR DATES LOCATION 1st 1882
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Date of Report: 30 June 2005 Page 1
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