2005 Proceedings - Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War

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Paul Ellis Graham, Department of New York. Does that mean based on what’s been said that members, that are members of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War could march in the parade in business attire. I’m not sure…. Charlie Kuhn, Department of Pennsylvania Charlie Kuhn, Pennsylvania, what we are going to vote on is whether it goes back to committee and then comes back next year to the floor here or whether we are going to decide it. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels That’s the amendment. Charlie Kuhn, Department of Pennsylvania That’s what we are deciding right now is that correct. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels You are correct Sir. Charlie Kuhn, Department of Pennsylvania Okay. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels Brother Grothe Jack Grothe, Department of Missouri We are famous for the Missouri Compromise. Encampment Laughter. Jack Grothe, Department of Missouri Gentlemen. The problem involves the definition of business suit. Personally, I wouldn’t mind seeing some-what those camp followers would look like in a parade. You know, business - that is putting it to an extreme and a little levity. What I am trying to say is, look at the group here. We can have various ideas. I think the gentlemen with the blue blazers, the emblem of the Sons, blue, khaki, whatever. If the Sons would decide on what the broad definition of business suit would be or attire, and it comes to the point where, yes they can. I’m not expressing my opinion on yeah or neigh, but that might help some of the situation. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels Thank you. I think we have heard enough comments and I think if it was sent back to committee that would be one opportunity that they would have to refine the language. There is a motion and a second on the floor to accept this—these rules for this year and to send it back to committee for refinements for future Remembrance Day Events, if I have restated that motion correctly. Close, alright. All those in favor say aye. Encampment Aye. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels Opposed? Encampment No, nay. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels Okay then we will take a hand vote. All those in favor raise your hand. National Secretary, if you would and Brother Chaplain, will you do a count as well. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels Alright put your arms down. Those against please raise your hands. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels The nays have it. Brother Kuhn. Charlie Kuhn, Department of Pennsylvania Brother Commander, I would amend my motion into two parts since two through nine are no brainers I would move you that we accept number two through nine and then we will discuss one. 30
David V. Medert, Department of Ohio Second Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels Okay discussion. All those in favor? Encampment Aye. Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels Opposed. That passes. Thank you. Paul Ellis Graham, Department of New York Paul Ellis Graham, Department of New York. I would suggest then an amendment to number one, that where it says, “Only the following will be allowed to march in the annual Remembrance Day Parade in modern business suit or dress attire.” Remove the titles of the National Presidents, Commander-in-Chief and put “Members of the Sons of Union Veterans, Members of the Daughters of Union Veterans, Members of Women’s Relief Corp, Members of the Ladies of the Grand Army, and Members of the Auxiliary to the Sons.” As a Son of a Union Veteran because I don’t have a uniform and whether I do or don’t, doesn’t make a difference, but we cannot disallow anybody who falls within the purview of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War, who is responsible for this parade. Every member in good standing has a right to participate in that parade, provided they are properly dressed. If we do that, we would be allowed to participate, based on if you look around the meetings of the women as well as us, we would all be appropriately dressed today. I think most people would agree with and I think that we have a responsibility we cannot deny members of an organization, whose ancestors have fought and died to deny them the right to participate in this very important parade. Thank you. Encampment Many seconds. Charlie Kuhn, Department of Pennsylvania I have a question on that. Are we going to include the members of the SCV too? Paul Ellis, Graham, Department of New York Of course. Charlie Kuhn, Department of Pennsylvania They’re not listed on here so we are going to tell other people who had ancestors who fought and died in Gettysburg whether they wore the gray or not. Paul Ellis Graham, Department of New York Well I think then I would include them also. I think if that group has already participated in the parade I wouldn’t…. Charlie Kuhn, Department of Pennsylvania Well they have been participating in, but by this set of rules, you are going to require them to wear a Confederate uniform. Whereas, you have Sons of Confederate Veterans Camp, who may come attired as we do in a coat and tie and march. I’m just saying, if you are going to do that then we need to include them. Paul Ellis Graham, Department of New York Well, I guess then I’m asking for information on that point. Are you saying that you would support that then, is that correct? Charlie Kuhn, Department of Pennsylvania I’m not telling what I’m supporting one way or the other. I’m just saying I need a decision made here so that I can go back to Remembrance Day this year and enforce that decision at the parade. So, if we want all the members of all the Allied Orders to participate in modern dress clothes, and it should say Class A Uniform of the United States Military also, to specify if you are going to say that’s dress attire. Is that correct? That absolutely is dress attire so a modern military person can wear their modern military outfit. 31
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Page 11 and 12: IN MEMORIAM Richard C. Schlenker Co
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Frank Tucker, Department of Massach
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carrying out the mandates of his of
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the discussion a substitute motion
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Henry Shaw, Department of Ohio Late
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we have created what is known as th
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National Counselor James B. Pahl Co
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Three: after consultation with the
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Past Commander-in-Chief Richard Orr
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Encampment Strucken, Laughter. Char
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Past Commander-in-Chief George Powe
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Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels
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Commander-in-Chief Stephen Michaels
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Department of Massachusetts Ed Norr
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Eagle Scout Certificate Coordinator
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same, so we can have a history of a
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Appendix 1 Reports of National Offi
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New Jersey: 6 New York: 12 Ohio: 12
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Grave-side Memorial Day services, a
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Treasurer (Max Newman) Due to last
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them to join the other Allied Order
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Eagle Scout Coordinator (Bob Petrov
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Franklin Haley (MA) Harold Slavik (
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I will be publishing a newsletter a
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this report, a preliminary draft of
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Web Site Usage - During the past qu
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That Departments/CALs which do file
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The intent of this law and the Stat
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CHAPTER III ARTICLE VII Committees
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PC-in-C Loomis presented a memorial
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Remembrance Day (Bud Atkinson) The
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Tempe Boone Reynolds, age unknown,
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Appendix 2 Council of Administratio
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membership badge or miniature badge
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space for full mailing and e-mail a
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inform the Council if members will
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and business obligations. SVC-in-C
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summarized the feeling of many pres
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Officers present who wished to give
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Commander-in-Chief Michaels then re
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C-in-C Michaels reported on the inq
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that he could attend to this. Broth
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February 8, 2005 A motion was made
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16. We, as an Order, are limited on
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General Orders No. 5 SERIES 2004-20
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YEAR NAME DEPARTMENT 1881 Harry T.
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NUMBERYEAR DATES LOCATION 1st 1882
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PAGE 1 OF 7 NATIONAL ORGANIZATION S
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Date of Report: 30 June 2005 Page 1
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