JCM meet (Sep 11)

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CPT(JCM)/3543/XII/12-M Oct 2011
MINUTES OF THE 12 TH MAIN MEETING OF NHQ JCM COUNCIL (XIITH
TERM) HELD ON 30 SEP 2011 AT CONFERENCE HALL ROOM No 129D,
SOUTH BLOCK, NEW DELHI
1. The following were present :-
VAdm MP Muralidharan, AVSM, NM
Chief of Personnel
Chairman, NHQ JCM Council
Official Side
RAdm Pritam Lal
RAdm Satish Bajaj, VSM
Cmde Sunil Anand
Shri SSR Rao
Capt Vinay Kumar
Smt Sudershan Kaur
Shri V Rajagopalan
Shri Rajeev Ranjan
SPD (Civ)
CSO(P&A)HQWNC
CSO(P&A) HQSNC
CCPO HQENC
PDCP
PDCPS
DCP(G)
Officiating Secretary(JCM)
Staff Side
(S/Shri)
SM Veerappan, AIDEF
(Leader Staff Side)
KK Balachandran, AIDEF
GSJ Achuta Rao, AIDEF
B Anjaneyulu, AIDEF
K Vijay Kumar, INDWF
Narendra Kumar, INDWF
Ombir Yadav, BPMS
MV Sathikan, BPMS
Kamal Singh, CDRA
PTN Shajeevan, CDRA
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Special Invitees
RAdm KR Nair, VSM
RAdm AV Subhedar, VSM
Cmde HS Chopra
Cdr B Sushil Kumar
ASD, ND(V)
ASD, ND(Mb)
Ex CSO(P&A) HQENC
HQ ANC
Co-opted Members
Cmde Shankar Mathur
Shri D Sinha
Capt Gourav Gautam
Shri NP Sharma,
PDLS
LWC(C)
DFM
DONA
OPENING ADDRESS BY COP
2. The Chairman welcomed all members to the 12th Main Meeting of NHQ JCM
Council and hoped that the stay of outstation members has been comfortable.
3. Before taking up formal proceedings, he placed on record the appreciation of
the forum for the valuable contribution made by Cmde HS Chopra, CSO(P&A), ENC,
Cmde OP Kaura, CSO(P&A), SNC and Shri BP Dahiya DCPS(JCM) and Secretary
NHQ JCM Council who had completed their tenure and moved to other appointments.
He welcomed Cmde Sunil Anand who has taken over as CSO(P&A), SNC and Shri D
Sinha, who has assumed the appointment of LWC(C). He also extended in absentia
welcome to RAdm T Sudhakar, who has taken over as CSO(P&A) ENC on 28 Sep and
Shri KS Kumar who has joined as DCPS(JCM) and have not been able to come.
4. The Chairman highlighted some of the key achievements in areas of pay &
allowances, Recruitment Rules and other welfare measures for the benefit of the
members:-
Pay & Allowances: MOD has approved upgradation of pay scales and
merger of various posts of yard craft personnel. Govt has also approved
payment of OTA in the revised pay wef 01 Jan 2006. Additional funds for
payment of OT arrears have also been released to Commands. Instructions for
OTA rates for supervisors under Sec 64 of the Factories Act are also being
expedited with MoD. Risk Allowance scheme has been extended till 31 Dec
2011 till the new 'Risk Insurance Scheme' comes into force.
Restructuring and DPCs : Revised MoD instructions for effective date for
restructuring of Artisan Staff have been promulgated. For the year 2011-12, as
on date, DPCs for majority of Gr ‘A’ and Gr ‘B’ posts except Design Officers
Cadre have already been held and approved. Similarly, a large number of cases
of MACPS have been cleared. Equally large number of DPCs have also been
held by Commands. A concerted effort is being made to expedite all pending
DPCs and DSCs.
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Recruitment Rules and Cadre Review: Draft Recruitment Rules for 22
cadres have been submitted and remaining are being progressed on priority.
Once this exercise is complete, comprehensive cadre review will be taken up in
consultation with all stakeholders. In some cases, preparatory work on cadre
review has already been initiated. A draft statement of case for 4 Tier structure
for NAD staff on the lines of Artisan staff has been finalized. This will be
submitted to MoD shortly.
Bonus : MoD has issued instructions for payment of 40 days wages in
cash as PLB for 2010-2011 to eligible Civilian employees. MoD has also issued
instructions for grant of adhoc bonus equivalent to 30 days for 2010-11 for
eligible Central Govt employees.
ACP: MoD has issued clarifications for counting of service as
Artisan staff for grant of ACP to Draughtsman.
5. The Chairman was appreciative of excellent co-ordination and understanding
amongst all members of the staff side as well as official side, in the true salutary spirit
of the Joint Consultative Machinery. He reiterated that only through this consultative
as well as accommodative approach that this forum has been able to resolve many
important and substantive issues.
6. The Chairman invited the Leader Staff Side for his opening remarks before
taking up progress points.
Response from Shri SM Veerappan, Leader Staff Side
7. Shri Muthu Veerappan, Leader Staff side appreciated the valuable contributions
made by Cmde HS Chopra, CSO(P&A), ENC, Cmde OP Kaura, CSO(P&A), SNC and
Shri BP Dahiya, DCPS(JCM) and Secretary NHQ JCM Council. He welcomed Cmde
Sunil Anand who has taken over as CSO(P&A), SNC and Shri D Sinha, who has
assumed the appointment of LWC(C). He appreciated the efforts made by IHQ-
MoD(N) for release of additional funds for payment of OTA arrears as per revised
rates.
8. Shri Veerappan in his address further pointed out following issues:-
(a)
(b)
(c)
(d)
(e)
(f)
(g)
(h)
(j)
Delay in MACP cases of Technical Supervisors.
Pendency of Appeals/Revision petitions with the Disciplinary authorities
for a long period.
Delays in sanction of Charged expenditure.
OT rates for supervisory staff.
Amplifying orders with regard to restructuring of Artisan staff.
Induction into Draughtsman cadre from Naval Apprentices.
Recommended delegations of powers to Commands for holding DPCs of
Group B non gazetted.
Pointed out that transfer orders are not being implemented in an early
time frame.
Cadre Review proposals be finalized only after discussion with the Staff
side.
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Response from Shri Ombir Yadav, BPMS
9. Shri Ombir Yadav appreciated the sanction of 40 days PLB. However, he
emphasised inclusion of five more units in the scheme of PLB. In this context, he
requested the Chairman to intervene and resolve the issue. He also requested that OT
ceiling under Factories Act be waived for Defence installations as an operational
requirement. The JCM forum be utilized to the utmost extend to avoid litigations. He
also brought out the extensive and commendable efforts of ND(MB) workers on board
INS Vindhyagiri.
Response from Shri B Anjaneyulu, AIDEF
10. Shri Anjayeyulu requested for enhancement of PLB ceiling from 40 days to 78
days with revised pay structure at par with the Indian Railways. He also emphasised
that OT ceiling under Factories Act be waived for Defence installations on operational
grounds.
Confirmation of Minutes of the 11 th Main Meeting
11. Minutes of the 11 th Main Meeting of NHQ(JCM) Council held on 27 th April 11
were confirmed by the Staff Side.
Progress Points
12. Subsequently, progress points were taken up for discussion and decisions
thereupon are placed at Appendix ‘A’.
13. Mention points discussion/decisions thereon are placed at Appendix ‘B’.
Closing Remarks by the Chariman
14. The Chairman thanked all members for participation and their valuable views
on the points discussed in the forum.
15. The Chairman stated that this would probably be the last meeting of XIIth term
JCM Council as MoD would soon issue instructions for constitution of the XIIIth term.
16. The Chairman reiterated that this forum of JCM was truly an effective
mechanism to discuss and resolve all matters pertaining to working conditions of our
large family of naval civilians. He observed a high level of co-ordination,
understanding and maturity during the deliberations on many issues that have been
transacted in last two years and hoped that the few ongoing issues will be progressed by
our successor council when constituted. He urged the staff side to utilise the JCM
forum to discuss issues of wider concern to our workmen and individual
issues/concerns should be resolved through other administrative channels and means
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Vote of Thanks
17. The Meeting was concluded with the vote of thanks to the Chair by Sh SM
Veerappan Leader Staff Side and Secretary JCM.
18. All concerned are requested to forward progress of action taken on the points at
Appendix ‘B’ by 11 Nov 2011. A monthly progress report is also required to be
forwarded thereafter.
19. These Minutes are issued with the approval of the Chairman.
Distribution:
(KS Kumar)
Dir CPS (JCM)
Secretary Official Side
SO/COP, Chairman, NHQ JCM Council
SO/SPD (Civ)
MoD/D(JCM)
HQ ENC, HQ WNC, HQ SNC, HQ ANC, ND (MB), ND (V)
Army Headquarters (AG/MP-4 (Civ/JCM)
Air Headquarters (PC-4/JCM)
The General Secretaries – INDWF, AIDEF, BPMS, CDRA
All Official & Staff Side Members in attendance
IRFC
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Appendix ‘ A’
(Refers to IHQ‐MoD(N) letter
No CPT(JCM)/3543/XII/12‐M
dt Oct 2011)
PROGRESS POINTS DISCUSSED DURING THE 12 TH MAIN MEETING OF NHQ JCM COUNCIL – 30
SEP 2011
Ser
No
Point
No
Point in Brief
Comments
1. 6(4-M)
(16 Jan
08)
Regularization of USLs
Regularization of balance
USLs granted temporary status
including nine in whose case
orders were held in abeyance by
HQ ENC.
(Shri BS Reddy, INDWF)
There are no provisions for
regularisation of Ty status Casual
employees who did not meet the
laid down criteria as per Govt
instructions issued in 1993 and
subsequently in 2006 after Uma
Devi Judgement. These were one
time measure.
It was pointed out by Staff side that
there are DOPT instructions which
permit regularisation of Ty status
USLs which can be followed.
The Chairman directed that the
applicability of DOPT instructions
in this case will be explored. The
case may be re-examined in the
light of these instructions if these
do exist.
The Point is closed.
Action: DCP/HQENC
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2. 3(6-M) Exercise of Disciplinary
Powers
3. 15
(6-M)
Exercise of disciplinary
powers with regard to IHQ Policy
letter CPT (DV)/3118/Policy dated
26 Jun 08 not yet implemented till
today.
Shri GSJ Achuta Rao, AIDEF
Over Time Wages as per
Factories Act – 1948
Over Time Wages be paid in
revised scales as per Section 59 of
the Factories Act – 1948.
Shri KK Balachandran., AIDEF
MoD has undertaken a
comprehensive review of
appointing and disciplinary
authorities in the three service
HQs/ISOs. IHQ-MoD(N) will
shortly be submitting its
recommendations to MoD. In the
meanwhile, instructions are being
issued vide IHQ letter No
CPT(DV)/3118/Policy dt 26 Jun 08
may be complied with.
The Point is closed.
Action: DCPS(D&V)
Govt orders for payment of
OTA on revised rates wef 01-01-06
have been issued vide MoD OM No
18(5)/2008-D(Civ II) dt 10 May 11.
These orders have been
promulgated to Command HQs for
implementation. Funds have
already been allocated to Command
HQs for this purpose.
4. 1(7-M) Recruitment Rules
Amendments
Recruitment Rules
amendments after 6 th CPC
recommendations be done
expeditiously after consultation
with the Staff Side.
Shri S M Veerappan, AIDEF
The Point is closed.
Action: DCP
As decided in last Main
meeting, a meeting with Staff side
members on the issue was held on
20 May 11. Proposal for revision of
RRs for 39 cadres has been
initiated. Draft RRs of 22 cadres
are under process with
MoD/DOPT/UPSC. Draft RRs for
remaining cadres are under
preparation in consultation with
Command/Staff side members.
The Progress is to be monitored.
Action: DCP
5. 3(8-M) DPC/DSC not held since Jan
2008 for the benefit of ACP
(a) The DPC is generally
conducted twice in a year.
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HQWNC has completed

ND(MB) has not conducted any
DPC/DSC for the benefit of ACP
since Jan 2008. Moreover the
employees let at the time of DPC
of ACP in Jan 2008 not included
till date. The matter was discussed
in 6 th SC meeting held on 19 th Mar
09.
(b) Fixation of Pay and Grant
of Grade pay is still pending. For
employees granted the same, they
have not received between 01 st Jan
to 31 Aug 08. The employees
have not received their Due &
Drawn Statement.
majority of DPCs and these are
already approved by IHQ-MoD(N).
As regards DSCs, the Chairman
directed HQWNC to expedite these
cases.
The Point is closed.
Action : HQ WNC/ND(MB)/DCP
Sh Narendra Kumar, INDWF
6. 19
(8-M)
Inclusion of House Rent
Allowance for the Purpose of
Calculating Overtime Allowance
HRA was included for arriving
at total emoluments for the
purpose of calculating OT
allowance. This has been
discontinued as per recent
directive from the IHQ, Navy.
The implementation of all such
cases may be effected only after
clear cut directive from the
concerned Ministry.
Shri K Vijay Kumar, INDWF
Shri Ombir Yadav, BPMS
Shri B Anjaneyulu, AIDEF
Shri N Kumar, INDWF
Ministry of Labour has been
requested to review their orders in
Sep 09. Decision awaited.
Besides above, Naval Employees
Union has challenged the Govt
order dated 26 Jun 09 in CAT(MB)
on 27 Jun 10 vide OA No
133/2010. The case came up for
hearing on 16 Mar 11. Next date of
Hearing is 14 Nov 11.
Since the matter is sub judice
further action will depend upon
Court judgement.
The point is closed.
Action: DCP
7. 2
(10-M)
Cadre Review of Civilian Cadres
of Navy
This point was discussed
in the 5 th Steering Committee
Meeting of NHQ JCM Council
(XII) term. The cadre review
cases are required to be processed
on priority since the VI CPC
It was reiterated that
instructions have been issued to
Cadre Controlling Authorities for
consulting staff side before the
cadre review proposals are
finalized. The progress of RRs is as
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eport is silent on this issue.
As far as the Navy is
concerned not a single cadre
review proposal has been
completed even once during last
40 years despite continuous
discussion on this point in this
forum. It is necessary to clarify
that better ratio and higher pay
scale given to some cadre like
CMD, Technical Supervisors,
Telephone operators etc cannot be
treated and should not be included
in the feedback given to the MoD
as done in the past.
(Shri Narender Kumar, INDWF)
under :-
(a) Draft RRs in r/o 11 cadres
forwarded to MoD for approval and
RRs of 22 cadres have been
prepared and circulated to
Commands/JCM members for
comments.
(b) Cadre review proposals are to
be taken up after completion and
revision of RRs. Notwithstanding,
preparatory action on some of the
cadres as given below has been
started.
(c) Cadre review proposal of
Telephone Operators has been
approved by COP and processed
with MoD for approval.
(d) Cadre review proposals of
Clerical Staff and Storehouse Staff
prepared and are under examination
at respective Cadre Controlling
Dtes ie DCP and DLS.
The Chairman directed that the
process for amendment to RRs be
expedited.
The Progress is to be monitored.
8. 3
(10-M)
Restructuring of NAD staff, i.e
ARL and FAR and Grant of
Master Craft Man grade
The restructuring of artisan
staff cadre implemented in all
Defence establishments vide order
dated 20 May 2003 and same was
followed by Naval Armament
Organization also. At that time
(ARL & FAR) were clubbed
together and restructured
Ammunition Mechanic – II and
Ammunition Mechanic –I
respectively with scale of Rs
3050-4600 and Rs 4000-6000 and
granted Grade of Skilled and
Action : DCP/HQWNC
The draft proposal formulated
in consultation with Staff side for
restructuring of Ammunition
Mechanics into 04 grades on the
lines of Artisan Staff will be taken
up with MoD.
The Point is closed.
Action : DGONA/DCP
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Highly Skilled.
It is unfortunate that the
grade of Master Craft Man was not
granted to this cadre at that time.
It is requested that the Grade of
Master Crafts Man may be granted
to this cadre and all revisions in
artisan cadre thereafter if any may
similarly be extended to this cadre
also.
(Shri Narendra Kumar, INDWF)
9. 1
(11-M)
Restructuring of Cadre of
Artisan Staff in Defence
Establishments and placement of
Master Craftsman
The Ordnance Factory Board
has already issued Order vide No
01/CR/A/I/658 dated 31 Dec 10
that the eligible Highly Skilled Gr
I employees will constitute feeder
line of promotion to Master
Craftsman in the artisan cadre or
Chargeman in the Supervisory
Cadre and accordingly, they will
be asked to exercise option for
promotion either to Master
Craftsman or to Chargeman before
consideration for promotion and
the existing MCM will be allowed
to give option to be inducted as
Chargeman by way of transfer.
Similar orders may be issued by
the IHQ-MoD(N) also.
Sh SM Veerappan, Leader Staff
Side & Sh KK Balachandran,
AIDEF
(a) The proposal was circulated
to Commands for scrutiny and
comments. Commands have
recommended not to disturb the
present structure promulgated vide
MoD letter No 11(5)/2009-D(Civ-I)
dated 14 Jun 2010. As per this,
MCM is a hierarchical post and
Tradesman HS-I on qualifying
Departmental Qualifying Exam are
to be promoted as MCM, which is a
feeder post for Chargeman.
(b) Chargeman and MCM, though
in the same Grade Pay, enjoy
different status in the organisational
hierarchy.
(c) Present trade structure is in
parity with that of Railways.
Decision :
Based on inputs provided by
the Staff side, the Chairman
directed that the issue be reexamined
in greater depth in
consultation with Staff side.
Action : Command HQs/DCP
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Appendix ‘B’
(Refers to IHQ-MoD(N) Letter
No CPT(JCM)/3543/XII/12-M
dt Oct 2011)
MENTION POINTS DISCUSSED DURING THE 12 TH MAIN MEETING OF
NHQ JCM COUNCIL (XIITH TERM) HELD ON 30 TH SEP 2011
Shri Anjaneyulu, AIDEF
1. Sh Anjaneyulu highlighted that Technical Supervisors have not
yet been paid OTA arrears. PDCP clarified that a case for determination
of reference pay (instead of notional pay) as stipulated in MoD letter No
14(1)/97/D(Civ-II) dt 01 July 98 for the purpose of OTA in respect of
Technical Supervising Staff has been taken up with MoD. Decision is
awaited.
Shri KK Balachandran, AIDEF
2. Sh KK Balachandran requested to consider ex-Naval Apprentices
of NSRY(Kochi) in the post of Tradesman(SK) in NSRY Karwar. He was
assured by CSO(P&A), HQWNC that necessary measures would be
taken to consider ex-Naval Apprentices for vacant posts in
NSRY(Karwar).
3. He also requested to conduct a special meeting of JCM Staff Side
to discuss before finalizing RR of Yard Craft Personnel and remaining
RR of various posts. PDCP clarified that convening of meeting would be
considered after comments of all Stakeholders are received.
4. Sh Balachandran raised the issue of implementation of MoD
letter No 18(5)/2008-D(Civ-II) dt 10 May 2011 regarding payment of
OTA in the revised pay. PDCP informed that a case has been taken up
with MoD and the decision is awaited.
Shri MV Sathikan, BPMS
5. Sh Sathikan raised the issue of non receipt of GPF Statement.
CSP(P&A), WNC assured the member that necessary action would be
taken in this regard.
Shri Kamal Singh, CDRA
6. Sh Kamal Singh highlighted lack of promotion in the
Draughtsman Cadre for a long time. He requested for an early holding
of DPCs. SPD(Civ) informed the member that the DPCs in the
Draughtsman cadre are held up as the matter is sub-judice.
Notwithstanding, the position would be reviewed.
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