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And <strong>the</strong>n <strong>the</strong> next question's going to be, are <strong>the</strong>re any o<strong>the</strong>r countries out <strong>the</strong>re besides<br />
China and India You know, is Brazil going to demand a piece of <strong>the</strong> pie Is South<br />
Africa To what extent are you going to see -- I think <strong>the</strong> really fundamentally<br />
interesting question is, are you going to have cleavages based on development, where<br />
you've got China, India -- and you see this already in <strong>the</strong> WTO, where China, India and<br />
Brazil do hold sort of similar policy positions. But in <strong>the</strong> future, that might not<br />
necessarily be <strong>the</strong> case as some countries acquire more middle-income status.<br />
ROSE: One country that doesn't figure in analysis in any of <strong>the</strong> various camps is Russia.<br />
DREZNER: Yes. That's true, because I didn't talk about energy. You know, I mean,<br />
beyond that, <strong>the</strong> fact is -- is that, you know, in <strong>the</strong> long term, as you say, 15, 20, 30 <strong>years</strong><br />
from now, you know, <strong>the</strong> line is, "Demography is destiny," and in that case, Russia<br />
doesn't look terribly good. Its demographic future is not a terribly promising one. It's <strong>the</strong><br />
same reason I didn't mention Japan, ei<strong>the</strong>r. Both of those countries demographically are<br />
not moving in a direction that indicates long-term economic growth.<br />
ROSE: Got it.<br />
Okay. Thank you very much, Dan. And at this point, why don't we turn it over to our<br />
questioners and fire away.<br />
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(Pause.)<br />
ROSE: Okay. Well, while we're waiting for some more questions to be generated, Dan,<br />
are <strong>the</strong>re any o<strong>the</strong>r thoughts that you have and that you've been led from this or -- in <strong>the</strong><br />
writing of it, did you come across new ways of thinking about it that you hadn't<br />
expected<br />
DREZNER: Well, as I said, <strong>the</strong> whole enterprise is interesting, because I'm basically --<br />
I'll be interested about <strong>the</strong> reaction it gets. Because making <strong>the</strong> argument that <strong>the</strong> Bush<br />
administration is pursuing a very subtle form of multilateralism is not <strong>the</strong> common<br />
perception of what <strong>the</strong> -- how <strong>the</strong> administration behaves. So that's been interesting, just<br />
trying to make that argument for o<strong>the</strong>rs.<br />
And <strong>the</strong>n <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r -- I think <strong>the</strong> more interesting question in <strong>the</strong> future is going to be, to<br />
what extent does -- to what extent is <strong>the</strong> administration doing this because it's consciously<br />
doing it, as opposed to sort of seeing <strong>the</strong> handwriting on <strong>the</strong> wall And I think that's<br />
going to affect what happens in 2008, as well, which is even if you have, let's say, a<br />
Democratic party candidate who, you know, has adopted, let's say, a tough protectionist<br />
line on China or India -- what <strong>the</strong>y wind up doing once <strong>the</strong>y actually take power.