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• GIDEON ROSE: Hi there. Welcome, everybody. I'm Gideon Rose, managing
editor of Foreign Affairs, and we're delighted to have you with us today to have a
discussion with Dan Drezner, the author of an important new piece in the new issue of
Foreign Affairs called "The New New World Order."
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The -- if you were to think of a Venn Diagram between top political economists and
prominent bloggers, there probably would be a very, very small population in that
middle. But the chief in that overlap would be Dan Drezner, who is associate professor
of international politics at Fletcher -- Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts.
The author -- his latest book is called "All Politics is Global" coming out next month, I
believe.
DANIEL W. DREZNER: Yes.
ROSE: And he has written a very interesting article for us on the new power alignments
in the world and how the Bush administration is reacting to them.
So what we're going to do is, we're going -- I'm going to talk with Dan for a little bit
about them, and then we'll turn it over to you. And we'll run as long as the questions
keep coming.
So Dan, why don't you start by giving a brief precise of what you argue in the piece.
DREZNER: Sure. Thanks, Gideon, and thanks once again to Foreign Affairs for
printing the piece.
The precise is pretty simple. If you take a look at any sort of measure of power out there,
it's quite obvious that China and India are becoming much more powerful. And
projections in the future, although the future can always change, but the projections are
they will become, you know, among the top five states in terms of economic size or what
have you within the next 15 years, 15 to 20 years.
The problem we've got is that most of the really important international institutions that
were set up were set up between 1945 and 1955, and China and India were not nearly as
powerful back then. This gives rise to an interesting problem, which is how do you cut in
rising states to international institutions that have already been set up, that privileged
states that are on the decline, such as many that are potentially in the European Union.
You would not think that the Bush administration would be well suited for handling this
problem, since the administration -- you know, first impressions are lasting impressions,
and the impression of this administration has been it's a belligerent, unilateralist foreign
policy course of action. And yet the funny thing is that if you take a look at what the
U.S. has done over the past five years or so, they've taken several steps to try to cut
in the Chinese and the Indians into international regimes that the U.S. had set up
with the idea that if we can cut them in, they might actually in the end want what we
want and support what we want.