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The piece <strong>the</strong>n reviews a variety of ways in which we've done this in <strong>the</strong> IMF, in <strong>the</strong><br />

non-proliferation regime, both bilaterally and multilaterally, and on <strong>the</strong> whole gives<br />

<strong>the</strong> administration, you know, a decent grade in terms of doing this. Now certain<br />

things have handicapped it.<br />

One is <strong>the</strong> fact that it's easy to paint this administration as unilateralist and belligerent,<br />

and as a result, <strong>the</strong>re are ways in which, even if it's doing things for <strong>the</strong> right reasons, it<br />

might be accused <strong>by</strong> some states of doing things for <strong>the</strong> wrong reasons. So <strong>the</strong>refore, this<br />

creates a lot of suspicion.<br />

The second problem which was going to be inevitable to this enterprise is that if<br />

you're trying to cut in rising powers, sort of <strong>by</strong> <strong>the</strong> nature of power you're<br />

undercutting states that are falling, and <strong>the</strong> states in this case are <strong>the</strong> members of<br />

<strong>the</strong> European Union. And while <strong>the</strong>y see <strong>the</strong> handwriting on <strong>the</strong> wall as well, you<br />

know, it's not like France and Great Britain are going to be giving up <strong>the</strong>ir U.N. Security<br />

Council seats any time soon.<br />

So as a result, <strong>the</strong> administration on <strong>the</strong> one hand faces a thankless task, because trying to<br />

rewrite <strong>the</strong> rules of global governance are not easy. But at <strong>the</strong> same time, I'm arguing<br />

that if <strong>the</strong>y don't do it, if China and India aren't made to feel like <strong>the</strong>y are responsible, you<br />

know, great power members of <strong>the</strong> existing world order, <strong>the</strong>y're going to go out and<br />

create institutions of <strong>the</strong>ir own, and <strong>the</strong> institutions that <strong>the</strong>y create might not necessarily<br />

be ones that <strong>the</strong> United States would like to see.<br />

ROSE: So let's start back for a second with <strong>the</strong> idea that <strong>the</strong> Bush administration<br />

actually sees this new world order and thinks of it in terms of a multilateral,<br />

institutional approach -- that runs counter to most people's view of <strong>the</strong> Bush<br />

administration, so talk a little bit about that. Is <strong>the</strong> view that <strong>the</strong> conventional view<br />

of <strong>the</strong> Bush administration that's devoted to unilateralism and not caring about<br />

world order and -- or caring only about primacy if it does think of world order, is<br />

that wrong or is this occupying a place alongside it How does this -- how does <strong>the</strong><br />

picture you're talking about coexist with <strong>the</strong> one that o<strong>the</strong>r people see<br />

DREZNER: I would not say that that perception is wrong as much as it is<br />

incomplete. Obviously -- you know, particularly if you looked at <strong>the</strong> first term, you<br />

know, it would be hard to say that <strong>the</strong> United States, you know, did not act in a<br />

unilateral manner. And certainly <strong>the</strong> invasion of Iraq has -- you know, is <strong>the</strong> sort of<br />

apo<strong>the</strong>osis of this.<br />

The problem is that does obscure a second component of <strong>the</strong> Bush administration's<br />

grand strategy. And <strong>the</strong>y were clear about this in 2002 as well as in <strong>the</strong> 2006<br />

reformulation, which is <strong>the</strong> U.S. sees itself at a moment in time where it actually has<br />

somewhat decent relations with <strong>the</strong> -- most of <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r great powers out <strong>the</strong>re, and<br />

if it can <strong>the</strong>refore form, you know, what's <strong>the</strong> great power concert to try to, you<br />

know, sort of regulate world politics, it will do so.

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