DPI Inquiry Public Hearing (Abraham ROUFAIL, William BURROWS)

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71-72/42/glj You know that they run Eurotyres?---Yes. Have you examined many cars for them?---I don't recall doing any actually. All right?---Susie used to bring cars over for Abe before, so I would've done them years ago when she - I think she left school and went and worked there part-time or something and then she went and got married and then they took over the business. So from time to time she's been in and I would've done some cars. Yes. I will just show you chart 3 now. Previously I showed you charts for pit passes for Abe Roufail. These are the pit passes for J. and S. Jabbour, so it's Jimy and Susan Jabbour out at Eurotyres?---Mm'hm. Again, this is from June 2004 to December 2008 - and, Commissioner, it's not three and a half years; I have miscalculated, it's four and half years. THE COMMISSIONER: Yes. TOOKER, MR: So I put that on the record; but if we move to the centre of the document and focus in on the examiners we should be able to pick up Mr Burrows. It's cluster 5 from the left. There it is. THE COMMISSIONER: There he is. TOOKER, MR: All right. So that shows you doing eight examinations for them. If you look at the dates they are generally 07 and 08. Do you see that?---Yep. Have you ever conducted an on-site inspection for the Jabbours out at Eurotyres?---No. Have you ever had Susie come up to you and say, "Can you inspect one around the side"?---No. Have you ever inspected a car for the Jabbours without actually inspecting the car? Sorry, have you ever passed a car for the Jabbours without actually inspecting the car? ---No. Do you know of any other examiners at Welshpool or elsewhere who have passed cars without inspecting them? ---No. Do you know any other businessmen like Mr Roufail who seem to put cars over the pits for a business, for car yards? Is there anyone else like that out there?---I imagine there are. I'm just trying to think. No, I can't think of any at the time. 18/2/09 <strong>BURROWS</strong>, W.B. XN 531 3.27 Spark & Cannon
71-72/43/glj Do you know George Raphael?---No. I want to show you an email now. It's CCC bar code 1178. Just have a read of that email and see if you remember it? ---Yes, I do. So it's an email dated 1 December 2008 and it's from you to Bruce Moore. Is that right?---Yes. And Bruce Moore works at the department?---He's - he was the person in charge of our licensing section, over - of all the licensing sections. So was he the manager of vehicle operations--I'm not sure that's his title. Okay. Just in a summary, can you tell us what this email was about--Yeah, I was relieving as the team leader and we were - we're supposed to conduct an audit on all the MR1s and I came across some that I didn't think were quite correct so I went and consulted with another senior person at Welshpool in the audit section and that's not the email that I originally drafted up but he - he embellished it, you could say. THE COMMISSIONER: How did he do that? It's your email, isn't it?---Yeah. He - we sat together and wrote the email, then he forwarded it to me and then I forwarded it on to Bruce Moore. TOOKER, MR: Who told you to do an audit of MR1s?---It was a procedure. It had just come into place a month or so before where the senior examiner had to audit all the MR1s and find any faults on the MR1, like missing details. Because what was happening was people were putting the car down as white and it was actually black; and that's another problem we've got, is that the computer brings back the old colour and if you don't check it it doesn't get corrected. So we were basically just checking the MR1s, and any - any details that were missing we'd give it back to the examiner to make sure that they'd filled in the correct details. Is this because there's an audit done of the MR1s, the original ones compared to the computer and it's a KPI measurement? Is that how it was told to you?---I - to be honest, I just - I think I must've recently came out of the tech section and in fact I think that was - I think that was the second or the first day I was in that position. I'd come out of the technical section so I must have been in there in November because that's dated 1 December; and it was my first day as acting team leader and, yeah, I just - going through the MR1s and I found these, what looked like odd - odd occurrences on the - on the MR1s. 18/2/09 <strong>BURROWS</strong>, W.B. XN 532 Spark & Cannon
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