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their implications <strong>for</strong> language learning and<br />

teaching in today’s contexts. <strong>The</strong> <strong>for</strong>mer is a<br />

more traditional approach in which techniques<br />

such as IRF (initiation-response-feedback)<br />

find their place. This type of interaction puts<br />

the teacher in control and gives generally<br />

little scope <strong>for</strong> dynamics similar to those that<br />

occur outside the classroom. <strong>The</strong> latter, on<br />

the other hand, to greater or lesser extents,<br />

facilitates ‘natural communication’, maintains<br />

intrinsic motivation, which is closely related<br />

to self motivation, own choice, and control of<br />

one’s actions, and provides learner autonomy,<br />

creating greater convergence between talk<br />

inside and outside the classroom.<br />

<strong>The</strong> backdrop to van Lier’s analysis is the<br />

language classroom and the resources and<br />

constraints, applied by institutional settings<br />

that aid or hinder language learning and<br />

teaching. He states that institutional settings<br />

can constrain the types of talk and create<br />

asymmetry and inequality and he questions<br />

the extent to which teachers are free to ignore<br />

them. Van Lier further argues that contingent<br />

talk offers greater equality and symmetry. He<br />

then considers the value of strategies typical<br />

of the two groups of interactions and their implications<br />

<strong>for</strong> language learning and calls <strong>for</strong><br />

change if teachers and schools are to provide<br />

better quality.<br />

Development and implications of van<br />

Lier’s arguments<br />

Issues of equality and symmetry<br />

Issues of equality and symmetry incorporate<br />

those of control and power versus negotiation<br />

and joint construction of talk. In teacher-learner<br />

interactions, teacher-fronted monologues and<br />

IRF structures tip the scale in favour of the<br />

teacher. This might also happen in learnerlearner<br />

interactions when the divide in skills<br />

and competences is such as to create noticeable<br />

imbalances, such as in native speaker<br />

and non-native speaker talk, or in more and<br />

less proficient non-native speaker talk. However,<br />

generally, learner-learner interactions<br />

“require an orientation toward interactional<br />

symmetry” (van Lier, in Candlin and Mercer,<br />

2001, p.98) which is expressed in “relations of<br />

contingency between an utterance and other<br />

entities, primarily other utterances (preceding,<br />

concurrent, and following), shared knowledge<br />

and relevant features in the world” (Gibson,<br />

1979 cited in van Lier in Candlin and Mercer,<br />

2001, p.98) and is most typically associated<br />

with conversational talk.<br />

In my experience of teaching in <strong>English</strong><br />

speaking and non-<strong>English</strong> speaking countries,<br />

where the language is being learned plays an<br />

important role in any further developments.<br />

In <strong>English</strong>-speaking countries learner-learner<br />

interactions tend to be in <strong>English</strong> (unless<br />

students are from the same linguistic background)<br />

and are more likely to be carried on<br />

outside the classroom. However, in non-<br />

<strong>English</strong>-speaking contexts, L1 tends to be<br />

the language used <strong>for</strong> peer communication<br />

and learner-learner interaction outside the<br />

classroom. <strong>The</strong> implications of this are that<br />

what happens outside the classroom comes<br />

into the classroom and what happens inside<br />

rarely goes out. In these contexts, learnerlearner<br />

interactions have to be designed by<br />

the teacher and then co-constructed with the<br />

students. Pollard (2007) raises an interesting<br />

point and question in saying that “even in<br />

a highly student-centred classroom it is still<br />

the teacher who sets the agenda... Does the<br />

teacher need to hand explicit control of the<br />

agenda over to the students, or is it enough to<br />

allow students’ interests and concerns to influence<br />

us as we plan lessons and courses?”<br />

MEMBER MIX<br />

(online conference).<br />

In my experience as a learner and teacher,<br />

the type of context that is artificially created<br />

(the roles and the objectives of the tasks at<br />

hand) becomes of great importance in ‘stimulating’<br />

and triggering learners’ instrinsic<br />

motivation and there<strong>for</strong>e simulating the patterns<br />

of ‘natural’ conversations where “contingent<br />

language use encourages, justifies and<br />

motivates grammaticalization” (van Lier, 2001,<br />

p. 99). This seems to be one of the driving<br />

<strong>for</strong>ces of Task Based Learning. Once again,<br />

the notion of contingency leading to grammaticalization<br />

finds a headstart in<br />

<strong>English</strong>-speaking countries where the<br />

contingent language use enters the realm of<br />

the learners’ resources more readily through<br />

exposure.<br />

Constraints<br />

As the title suggests, the classroom and<br />

classroom talk are the setting and the objects<br />

of van Lier’s analysis. Classrooms, however,<br />

are part of institutional settings which offer<br />

resources and constraints in the <strong>for</strong>m of<br />

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ETAS Journal 25/1 Winter 2007 39

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