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Chi Modu<br />

People<br />

Interview by Holger Homann<br />

Photos by Chi Modu<br />

6<br />

6<br />

“What kind of<br />

gangsta rapper<br />

has a stylist?<br />

A stylist?!” - Ice T<br />

HH In your career as a photographer,<br />

you’ve had the chance to capture the steady<br />

rise of hip-hop culture from almost its<br />

beginning for almost three decades, and shot<br />

portraits of the genre’s most famous figures<br />

including Biggie, Tupac, Nas, ODB, and many<br />

others. When did all this start and how did you<br />

get so close to them?<br />

CM Well, my first work as a photographer<br />

was freelance work at the Amsterdam News—a<br />

small newspaper in Harlem, New York in the<br />

early ‘90s. I think it was like 1990. And that was<br />

right around the time that the founders from<br />

Harvard moved down to New York and started<br />

to bring The Source Magazine to a more<br />

national level. I went down to the magazine<br />

and had a visit with them. And they didn’t<br />

really have anybody on staff that actually really<br />

understood photography. At that time, I was<br />

already printing my own prints in my own dark<br />

room, so I was really ready to rock.<br />

This is now post-college. I went to<br />

Rutgers University in New Jersey, I moved<br />

up towards New York City, which is when I<br />

started playing around with my own darkroom<br />

supplies and enlarger that I’d purchased.<br />

From there, my prints got better. I did the<br />

work at the newspaper, then I segued into The<br />

Source since they didn’t really have anyone<br />

that was at the ready. I had a beeper at the<br />

time. So if you called me I would show up. So I<br />

was basically the on-call guy for the magazine.<br />

And then the artists started to see me as the<br />

guy. So they knew if they would sit for my<br />

camera, cooperate, they’ll probably end up<br />

in the magazine. I was always pretty sound<br />

technically, and I brought a higher level of<br />

technical ability to the space, which I think<br />

lifted the whole thing up a bit. This was right<br />

around the early ‘90s. And then I had a run<br />

of about seven years of having my bit of time<br />

to shape the space visually and shape how<br />

people perceived hip hop.<br />

HH In regard to all those personal<br />

encounters, are there any that stand out as<br />

most memorable?<br />

CM It’s tough to single out any one. But<br />

you can imagine, most of them probably are<br />

memorable. We were young men and women<br />

in our 20s, and we were at the front end<br />

of this movement that no one really knew<br />

where it was going. But people knew it had<br />

a lot of energy.<br />

We were running free and running<br />

wild, but we were actually also producing<br />

something that ended up being the<br />

foundation for the multi-billion dollar industry<br />

of hip hop. It kind of rocked the whole globe.<br />

It was important not to get distracted by the<br />

enormity of what we were doing so the work<br />

would stay pure.<br />

So Tupac was always a good subject and quite<br />

cooperative and understood the camera. So it<br />

wasn’t hard to get him for photo shoots and<br />

to perform or just be himself and not perform.<br />

And it worked out well.<br />

Biggie was a good friend of mine<br />

because he’s from the east coast, so he would<br />

always come and cooperate. I did Snoop’s<br />

first album. So I definitely worked with a lot<br />

of these guys early in their career. I’d say all of<br />

them were actually quite memorable.<br />

HH Who was the most difficult to<br />

work with?<br />

CM As a photographer, you don’t really<br />

know what you’re dealing with when you roll<br />

up on a subject. So as far as difficult, everyone<br />

can be at times... Most people don’t really<br />

like having their picture taken. So it’s our job<br />

to make them comfortable and help them to<br />

relax. But it’s also our job to not leave without<br />

a photograph. So I had to bend a lot of<br />

people’s arms over the years to eventually do<br />

a picture after they said they weren’t going to<br />

when I arrived.<br />

The most difficult one was probably<br />

Mike Tyson, because I remember I showed<br />

up at his place in Youngstown, Ohio, and he<br />

was training for a fight. It must have been<br />

1996 or so. And Mike showed up and said,<br />

“I’m not taking any pictures today.” And you<br />

can imagine what that’s like, right? I knew<br />

I was going to get him to take a picture<br />

no matter what.<br />

I softened him up with conversation,<br />

got him to sit down, we ate some food, we<br />

talked for a bit, he cooperated and I was<br />

able to get my images. We saw each other a<br />

year later and laughed about the experience<br />

and we ended up as friends. So I think that<br />

when subjects are difficult, it’s usually other<br />

things in their world that make them difficult.<br />

Photographers know not to take it personally,<br />

and adjust to whatever the challenges are<br />

in any situation, but more importantly, we<br />

must leave with a photograph. That’s priority<br />

one for a photographer. If you don’t leave<br />

with a photograph, you didn’t do your job.<br />

If you don’t do your job, you probably won’t<br />

be hired again.<br />

HH In these times when almost<br />

everybody seems to have the technology for<br />

taking photographs in their hands, what does<br />

one need, to be considered a photographer<br />

from your perspective?<br />

CM Well, the fact that cameras have<br />

become ubiquitous ... I actually like the fact<br />

that everybody has a camera because what<br />

it’s done for photography is it’s made people<br />

appreciate the skills required more, because<br />

more people now see how hard it is to do it.<br />

And it’s not really about the equipment; it’s<br />

always about how you see the world and<br />

your composition. You can get the technical<br />

aspects of photography behind you fairly<br />

quickly if you focus on them. But that’s not<br />

entirely what creates a good picture. A good<br />

picture still consists of the photographer<br />

deciding what stays or leaves the rectangle.<br />

I think that’s what people have learned now<br />

that they all have cameras.<br />

So to be a good photographer, I<br />

think you really have to know how to look in<br />

those four corners and make that decision in<br />

a millisecond of what you want in and what<br />

you want out, and then you press your shutter.<br />

Once you get that down, and the more<br />

often you’re able to do that and not just get<br />

lucky periodically, then, okay, now you’re a<br />

good photographer.<br />

It doesn’t matter whether it’s a<br />

camera phone, like a Sony a7, or a 4x5, it’s<br />

all still the same process. Light exposing film<br />

or exposing a sensor, timing, composition—<br />

that’s photography.<br />

HH What does a photo need, to<br />

become iconic?<br />

CM I think a number of things have<br />

to line up. I can really speak from a music<br />

photography space. There is something to<br />

be said about superstar artists who pass away<br />

at a young age, because they are preserved<br />

in the photographs that we have of them. So<br />

when people look at pictures of Tupac and<br />

pictures of Biggie, they use the word iconic<br />

around them because they haven’t been here<br />

for about 20-something years.<br />

But I think it’s not just the subject,<br />

but it’s the combination of the subject and<br />

how the photographer chose to portray them,<br />

because a lot of times people’s image is really<br />

how the photographer saw them. They’re the<br />

ones looking at the subject. So we look at you,<br />

and we decide when to press the shutter to<br />

capture you where you’re looking right.<br />

That’s kind of our job. We’re your<br />

mirror, in a way. If you are “that” person, we<br />

have to know how to see you as that and<br />

then press the shutter to capture you at your<br />

best. If you line those things up where you<br />

capture someone as they are, and that person<br />

to the public is a superstar or someone the<br />

public believes in—if you line all that up with<br />

a well-exposed image, that’s how you create<br />

THE REAL MCCOY

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