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#40 (224), 19-25.IX, 2012 w.saerTo gazeTi9interviu gldanis iveriisyovladwmida RvTismSobliseklesiis winamZRvarTan mamabasil mkalaviSvilTan_ mama basil, rogor moxda,rom mixeil saakaSvili,romelic didi sarwmunoebiTda wmida cxovrebiT ar gamoirCeva,mRvdelmTavris kur-TxeviT wmida taZarze avidada iq jvari aRmarTa? jalaledinmataxti daidga sionisgumbaTze, aman jvari, xedavTraime msgavsebas?_ saxeliTa mamisaTa da ZisaTada sulisa wmidisaTa,CvenTan ars RmerTi.saqarTvelos mosaxleobisis umravlesoba, romelic sa-Rad azrovnebs da acnobierebs,rac xdeba Cvens Tavs, SeaZrwunaim faqtma, rom mamobil-Svilobilma utifrad aRmar-Tes jvari bagratis taZrisgumbaTze.gekiTxebiT, romel mRvdelmTavrebzealaparaki, rodesaczemoTnagulisxmev vi-Tom sasuliero pirs RvTiuriaraferi Caudenia warsulSi.rac Seexeba mis Svilobils,saqarTvelos ngrevis metiaraferi gaukeTebia, xelisuflebaSimosvlisas xalxs si-Raribis mospobas Sehpirda.marTlac mospo Tavis gundSisiRaribe _ sasaxleebi aiges.axla kidev Secvales lozungi_ `meti sargebeli xalxs~,romel sargebelzea saubari.sufTa antiqristea da xalxissasargeblod raimes gaake-Tebs?rac Seexeba jalaledinsada prezidents, marTlac kargiSedareba moitaneT. jalaledinmasions gumbaTi moxsnada iq taxti daidga. es marTlacdaepatrona saqarTvelos.saakaSvilis prezidentobisdros marTlmadideblobas yvelaseqta gautolda, misi prezidentobisasdavkargeT daviTmeufe iakobi(iakobaSvili)gareji, varZias somxebi iTviseben.zar-zeimiT moiwvies garegini_ 653 eklesiasiTxovs, meti ra giTxraT,xalxo; saqarTvelo TiTqosCvenia, magram Cveni ar aris.jalaledinic igives akeTebda.saakaSvili qarTvelixalxis sisxliTmosvrili xelebiTwminda jvars iRebsda eklesiis gumbaTsarCevnebs nacmoZraoba pirwmindadwaagebs, magram Tavs maincgamarjvebulad gamoacxadebsrovnebis daniSvnaze. SeiZleba moviazroT patriarqobis_ qarTveli xalxi Tqvenkanonikurad es asekandidatad?gicnobT, rogorc mebrZolsar xdeba. patriarqi _ rogorc ukve giTxariT, radganac xSirad gamodixarTyovel Sobis Rames patriarqis arCevaSi xelisuflebaobieqturi kritikiT. ar geSi-wers anderZs _ misiar unda ereodes, magram, niaT, rogorc beri merkvirisikvdilis SemTxveva- samwuxarod, dRes saqarTveloSigamowves keliaSi, Tqvenc mogiwyonSi vin iqneba patriarqi.es iketeba seifSida aravin icisase xdeba.im SemTxevaSi, Tu ivaniSviligaimarjvebs, is ar ecdebamsgavsi ram?_ rodesac mRvdlad makur-Txes 1990 wels, ioane naTlismcemlisgasaRebi. Tu patriarqipatriarqis Secvlas, radganudabnoSi, maSinSeatyobs, rom bolo dros maTi urTierToba davde aRTqma, rom mivbaZavdiver marTavs samwysos,ukeTesi xdeba. Tu mainc da ma-ioane naTlismcemels mxilebadamoiwvevs krebas inc saWiro gaxda arCeva, qar- Si. asec vakeTeb. rac Seexebaganacxadebs: me Tveli xalxisaTvis meufe iob muqaras, aris, ra Tqma unda,mivdivar da mosaydredaqiaSvilze da meufe iakob rogorc sapatriarqodan, asevevniSnav ama da am iakobaSvilze ukeTesi kandida-mTavrobidan, magram CemTvispirovnebaso. vinc dainiSnebaturebi ar arsebobs.amas araviTari mniSvnelobamosaydred, _ ras gigrZnobT guli ar- ara aqvs. me ukve 67 wlis var.patriarqis movaleobasCevnebTan dakavSirebiT? Cemi gasakeTebeli gavakeTe.asrulebs is, mag-_ marTali giTxraT, ara-metnaklebad vali movixaderam wirva-locvebSi fers kargs, piriqiT. am arCevnebserisa da beris winaSe. isicisev patriarqi moixsenieba.`nac.moZraoba~ waagebs, vici, SeiZleba, sicocxlesacmagram magram Tavis Tavs gamarjvebuladgamomasalmon, Tumca amasacam mTavrobisgamoacxadebs, moxdeba araviTari mniSvneloba araxelSi yve-didi dapirispireba, sadac Ca-aqvs. rac swrafad gaakeTeben,adgams. pirdapir vacxadeb,mis dadgmullaferi ukuRmaa, rasacmoisurveben, imas bi.xeba ber merkviris, mas axloserTvebian saerTaSoriso Zale-miT ukeTesi CemTvis. rac See-jvars aranairi madliar eqneba.akeTeben, isic ar aris vfiqrob, ise airevayvelaferi, ramde-vicnobdi. isic CemsaviT vergasakviri, TviTon dasvanpatriarqi maTi nime TveSi aucileb-drtvinavs Cveni winaprebisitanda usamarTlobas, gansakuTrebiTimas, rac xdebodasisxliT gaJRenTili miwa. amapoziciismxardamWeradda amiT gaixangr- saparlamento arCevladdainiSneba meoreTTvis anacvales sakuTari sicocxlesarwmunoebisa dasapatriarqoSi Tu mTavrobaSi.amitomac mokles da SemdegZlivon xelisufleba- nebi, ris Semdegac mdgomareobacota daw-_ ra gaZlevT amis Tqmiseris interesebs?gamowves sakuTar keliaSi._ sisxli magaT ar ukvirT,Si yofna.mamao.antiqristes mociqulebma ynardeba.uflebas?_ Cveni eklesiis darbevarom jvari aRmarTes, patriarqiar mivida. mere brZanebac arqma iqadaga da mou-wina kviras patri-da mrevlis mier daTxeulisisxli eklesiis teritoriazeiqneba marto sakmarisi. esgasca SeCerebuliyo taZris woda yvelas _ mTavrobasada opoziciisaRdgena, axla yvela miiwviaxom misi brZanebiT moxda?!taZris gaxsnaze. sazogadoebas warmomadgenlebs, mividnenbagratis taZar-SegaxsenebT 7 noembers,26 maiss, sandrover gaugia patriarqis pozicia.xan saakaSvilTan dgas, Si da gaxsnas daeswron.aseTive mowodebagirgvlianis mkvlelobas,sanapiroze axal-xan ivaniSvilTan. marTalia,patriarqs yvela unda uyvardes,magram daZabuloba, rome-rogorc Cans, saa-gaakeTa saakaSvilmac.gazrdebis Cacxrilvas,akademikos guram Saralic,samwuxarod, ufro izrdeba,metwilad misi bralia. arCevnebSi damarcxekaSviliukve grZnobsZis qalaqis centrSidaTxeul sisxls, vinman unda Tqvas gadamwyveti bas, amitom patriarqsmoTvlis mis danaSaulebs.dRes ki TiTqossityva da damnaSave dasajos. daavala iseTnairadxalxi dabneulia. vis mimar- eqadaga. misi survilia,ucodveli iyos, jvarsTon, ver gaurkveviaT _ modis rogorme opozicia daiyolios,mosaCveneb-aRmarTavs. darwmunebulivar, es misi mamobi-xalxi CemTan sxvadasxva kiTxvebiTladmaTTan daZabuli_ Tqveni mosazrebiT, xelisuflebisTvissasurvelilis kalistrate margalitaSvilisinicia-viTareba cota Searbilos.Tavs izRvevs saerTaSorisoarenaze,meufe iobipatriarqi vin SeiZleba iyos?tiva iyo.miSa ise aris Cveni_ warmoidgineT, rom patriarqobabevrs unda. es is mouwodeben iyos yvelasromlebic yoveldRe (aqiaSvili)eris zizRiT gaJRenTili,savarZlis Senarepiskoposebiarian, romlebic mimarT koreqtuli._ is, rom sikvdilis winCunebisTvis, ar gagikvirdeT,msgavsi rammudam saakaSvilis qeba-dideba- _ beri merkviris gardacvalebazecmiTxariT ramdenime moaqveyna, meorec sanam mis ke-man Zalian mkacri werili ga-Si arian. maT ar ician, romkidev Caidinos.patriarqis uReli umZimesia. sityva. vis SeeZlo misi mokvla?sasuliero pirebs es wuTiT adre Tavisi sulierilias cecxli waekideboda, 20_ sapatriarqos kuluarebidanSevityve,isini namdvilad ver gauZlebenam datvirTvas. saakaSvils safrTxe yvelas emuqreba, vinc SvilisTvis daurekavs da uTqvams_ saswrafod modi,patriarqis gadayenebas arCevnebismere apireben, xalxSiSerCeuli hyavs meufe abram am mTavrobas amxels?garmelia, romelic dRes Cumadaris, viTom aravis saqme- led gipasuxebT. beri merkvi-adamiani TbilisSi ar imyofe-_ am kiTxvaze Zalian mok-aucilebeli saqme maqvso. esareuloba rom ar gamoiwviono.ase advilad SeiZleba patriarqisgadayeneba?Si ar ereva. es adamiani mas ri mokla man, vinc dagegma boda. meore dRes, masTan romdroebiT sWirdeba, mere ki girgvlianis mospoba, vinac ganaxorcielaguram SaraZis dabaviuSualod am pirovnebammivida, damwvari daxvda. es am-_ rogorc vici, dRevandelimTavrobis warmomadgenle-petre caavas daniSvna undaT,radgan is jer axalgazrdaa undobeli mkvleloba, vinac miambo. mokled eseni aravisbi giga bokerias xelmZRvanelobiTxSirad msjelobenda sinodis sxdomaze mxars ar moawyo 7 noemberi, 26 maisi, toveben `upasuxod~, sanam xelisuflebaSiarian, maTgandauWeren.da a.S. vinc iyo mizezi sama-_ mama basil, Tu ivaniSviliarCevnebis Semdeg politi-patriarqis gadayenebaze daCablos omisa da pirtitvela bevr ubedurebas unda velodeT.axali, maTTvis sasurveli pi-biWebis Caxocvisa, vinc axorcielebsqarTvelTa genocids.iranda kurad ufro gaZlierda, vinkalandaZe