1815 - 1817 Scroll Book - Nine Incorporated Trades of Dundee

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Bakers, Cordiners, Tailors, Bonnetmakers, Fleshers, Hammermen, Weavers and Waulkers who voted in the affirmative. In the course of the votes Messers John Crichton, David Blair, George Thom and William Barrie retired from the Council; but before exiting Mr Thoms and Mr Barrie voted on the first and second questions. Mr Barrie declined to vote on the third question. Thereafter Provost Riddoch moved that the above questions (which were written on a separate paper) together with the state of the votes therein should not be recorded in the Minute; which motion having been seconded, and put to the vote, all the members present voted in the affirmative except the Deacons of the Bakers, Cordiners, Tailors, Bonnetmakers, Fleshers, Hammermen, Weavers and Waulkers who voted in the negative. When the Deacon of the Weavers was called upon for his vote, he requested to be heard by Counsel, and he was heard by James Ivory Esq Advocate against the motion. Thereafter at the recommendation of the Clerk, Provost Riddoch proposed to withdraw his motion which was objected to by Deacon Mudie who stated that as the vote had been taken on the motion, it must stand unless repealed by the Council. The Counsel then unanimously repealed the resolution which had been passed upon Provost Riddoch's motion; and directed Deacon Mudies questions with the state of the votes therein to be recorded in this Minute. Deacon Mudie asked whether Mr Barrie had been sent to Edinburgh by order of the Council to obtain a sist from the Court of Session against any proceedings at the Meeting of the Guildry Incorporation which is to be held on Wednesday next, and protested that if this were the case, those who sent him on that business should be liable in the expences which might thereby be incurred inasmuch as it appeared from the two last Minutes of Council which had been this day read that the Council had not authorised Mr Barrie to go to Edinburgh in that or any other business and hereupon took instruments. To this question no answer was returned by the Council, and the same question having been put to the Clerk, he answered that he did not know that Mr Barrie had been sent to Edinburgh by the council to obtain a sist as stated in the question. Mr John Crichton returned and took his Seat in Council. Deacon Mudie farther protested that if by the instruction of any individual members of the Council, and without the legal authority of a formal act of Council, a sist or interdict shall have been applied for either directly or indirectly as in name of the Magistrates and Toun Council against any of the Guildrys proceedings on Wednesday first and shall then to attempt to be enforced, the expence of such unauthorised suspension or interdict shall not be defrayed out of the public purse, but the private individuals applying for it shall by be personally subjected not only in these expences but in any claim of Damages which the Guildry may have in consequence of the said unauthorised Suspension or Interdict being unlawfully put in force. Deacon Robert Mudie in his own name and in name of Convener Gellatly, Deacon Hog and all others adhering read a protest signed by him and by James Gellatly Convener as approven of by the General Meeting of which he demanded requisition and craved Extracts and thereupon took instruments. He then delivered the Protest to the Clerk to be subjoined to his Minute. Deacon Mudie read a Protest by James Gellatly Deacon Convener of the Nine Incorporated Trades of Dundee in their name and as instructed by them at a meeting this day in common Hall assembled and thereupon took instruments. Deacon Mudie then delivered the Protest to the Clerk to be subjoined to the Minutes. Deacon Mudie moved that all the Touns Accounts for the last yen years with the Vouchers thereof, should be produced in Council at the Head Court to be held in January in the year 1818 and afterwards exhibited to the Burgesses of Dundee for their inspection which motion was seconded. Provost Riddoch moved as an amendment, that as the Touns Accounts and Vouchers for former years have already been examined and discharged they should not be again produced, but that the Touns accounts and vouchers thereof for the Current year ending at Martinmas 50
next, which have not yet been audited with a full statement of the Touns affairs should be produced to the Head Court to be held in January next and afterwards exhibited in the Toun Hall for the inspection of all concerned. Which motion was also seconded. And it being agreed that the question should be put for the motion or amendment, all the members present, including David Blair who had returned, voted for the amendment, except the Deacon of the Baxters, Cordiners, Tailors, Bonnet Makers, Hammermen, Fleshers, Weavers and Waulkers, who voted for the motion, also except Mr John Crichton who declined to vote. The amendment therefore was carried by a majority. Before the question was put, the Deacons of the Glovers and Fleshers had returned to the Council. Mr John Crichton at the same time that he declined to vote on the above question moved that an order to put an end to the misunderstanding which subsists between the Council and the Public the Council do now resolve to carry into execution the resolutions of the Council of the Ninth of August 1815 and to rescind the Resolution of the Council of the twentieth of March 1816, which motion was seconded. Provost Riddoch moved as an amendment that the object of the motion was of so great importance, that it would require farther time to consider it, and therefore that the Consideration of it should be deferred to another meeting of Council, which motion was also seconded, and the vote having been put all the members present voted for the amendment except Mr Crichton and the Deacons of the Baxters, Cordiners, Tailors, Bonnet Makers, Hammermen, Fleshers, Weavers and Waulkers, who voted for the motion. The amendment therefore was carried by a majority of three. A Petition by the Burgesses or Inhabitants of Dundee not Members of the Guildry Incorporation addressed to the Honourable the Magistrates and Toun Council of Dundee was read in Council. Thereafter Deacon Mudie moved that the same with the Petition lately presented by the Guildry of Dundee should be taken into consideration, and that the Council grant the Prayers thereof. Provost Riddoch moved as an amendment that the Petitions of the Guildry and Burgesses of Dundee be on the table for farther consideration. Which motion was also seconded and the vote having been put, all the members present voted for the amendment except Mr Crichton and Mr Ogilvie and the Deacons of the Baxters, Cordiners, Tailors, Bonnet Makers, Hammermen, Fleshers, Weavers and Waulkers, who voted for the motion. The amendment therefore was carried by a majority of one. Deacon Mudie moved that both Petitions be taken into consideration by the Council and Trades this day four weeks, and then disposed of by them as they may think proper and that the present meeting of the Council and Trades be adjourned till that day. And the vote having been put all the members present voted for the amendment except Mr Crichton and the Deacons of the Baxters, Cordiners, Tailors, Bonnet Makers, Hammermen, Fleshers, Weavers and Waulkers, who voted for the motion. The amendment therefore carried by a majority of three. On the motion of Deacon Mudie the thanks of the meeting were unanimously voted to Mr Small the Clerk for his impartial conduct this day. The following is a copy of the Protest taken by Deacon Mudie referred to in the foregoing Minute. “I Robert Mudie Deacon of the Weaver Trade in my own name, in name of Convener Gellatly, Deacon Hogg, and of all others adhering, do hereby represent to you Alexander Riddoch present Provost of Dundee, to you David Brown, Patrick Anderson, David Hazel, and James Gray present Bailies and you the remanent members of the Toun Council of Dundee that by the Statute 42 Geo III under which your Honours have been in the practice of levying a duty of two pennies Scots on the pint of Ale, there are appointed certain Parliamentary Commissioners to superintend the Collection of said duty, and the application of Revenue thence arising to public purposes, and in short to watch over and control the whole management and administration of your Honours thereanent. 51
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1815 - 1817 Scroll Book - Nine Incorporated Trades of Dundee

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