1815 - 1817 Scroll Book - Nine Incorporated Trades of Dundee

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John Whittet Jun., Robert Jobson, Thomas Ivory, James Mitchell, Patrick Thomson, David Blair Jun., William Roberts, David Miln, William Ellet. The Trades Committee having withdrawn the Clerk laid before the meeting a Memorial for the Guildry of Perth with the opinions of Messers Cranstoun and Jeffrey. As these eminent Counsel concur in the opinion obtained for the Guildry of Dundee that the Court of Session could not legally restore to the Guildry the right of electing their dean by the suffrages of the Incorporation because a different practice has been followed for more than forty years the Committee determined not to include that privilege in the action of Declarator. But as by the opinions of Messers Cranstoun and Jeffrey for the Perth Guildry it appears that the Guildry Incorporation have right to manage their own funds whatever may have been the former practice. The Committee directed the Clerk to prepare a Summons of declarator to regain that right and to lay the same before the Committee. Dundee 29 th May 1816 Present Robert Jobson, William Lindsay, William Roberts, David Miln, David Blair Jun., John Sturrock. Mr Jobson preses The Clerk of the Committee laid before the Meeting the following Summons of declarator to obtain the management of their own funds. The Committee directed the Clerk to lay the Summons before Counsel to be revised and to get it executed without delay. (here take an printed Summons) The Committee agree to employ Messers Gibson Christie and Wardlaw as their agents to conduct the action and to recommend to the agents to employ Messers Cranstoun and Jeffrey as Senior Counsel and Mr Jamieson as Junior Counsel. Dundee 12 July 1816 Present Robert Jobson, William Ellet, William Roberts, John Peter, David Miln, David Blair Jun. Mr Jobson preses The Committee read the Memorial of the subject of the Malversations of the Magistrates and suggested some alterations. The Committee directed the Clerk to arrange a Meeting with the Trades Committee to raise the Memorial along with this Committee. The Committee are of opinion that a deputation from the Trades Committee and this committee should wait on the Magistrates and endeavour to compromise the disputes between the public and them. The Clerk stated to the Committee that he does not hold them liable in payment of his accounts but depends entirely on the public subscription. The Meeting ordered the Treasurer to pay to the Clerk One hundred and fifty pounds to account of the expences hitherto incurred. Dundee 18 Sept 1816 Present Rob Jobson, John Sturrock, David Miln, David Jobson, Thomas Smart, James Keiller, John Peter, Thomas Ivory, Thomas Watt. Mr Jobson preses The Committee directed the Clerk to prepare a letter to be addressed to the Provost on the subject of the election of the Dean – and appointed Messers Miln, Sturrock and Ivory to revise the letter previous to its being submitted to the Committee tomorrow evening. 8
The Committee desired the following advertisement regarding the election of the dean of Guild &c and the Commissions for improving the Harbour to be inserted in the Dundee Advertiser. To the Guildry of Dundee Gentlemen On Wednesday the 2d day of October next at 12 o’clock noon within the Guild hall to exercise your ancient right of electing the Dean of Guild the assessors and collector and clerk, and on Wednesday the 9 th day of said month of October at the same place and hour, to elect five Commissioners for improving the harbour of Dundee in terms of the Act of Parliament. Dundee 19 th Sept 1816 Present Rob Jobson, David Miln, David Blair Jun, Archd Crichton, John Peter, Thomas Ivory, Thomas Watt, James Saunders. The following letter drawn up and revised by the sub Committee was approven of and appointed to be signed by all the Members of the Committee and transmitted by the Preses to the Provost. Sir The Guildry Committee deems it to be its duty to its constituents to address the Toun Council on the subject of the claims of the Guildry Incorporation previous to the approaching election of the Magistrates and Council. Two years have nearly elapsed since the claims of the Guildry Incorporation were first agitated, and the enthusiasm of its members to regain their rights and privileges remains unabated. After the publication in time 1815 of the printed report on the subject of the Guildrys claims, the Committee intimated to the Toun Council that the Guildry Incorporation had resumed its ancient right and privilege of electing the Dean, assessors, Clerk, collector and officer. Aware that an Incorporation of such high respectability ought not to remain in its present degraded state, a member of the Toun Council moved that they should concur with the Guildry in adopting such measures as shall be found requisite to ensure to the Guildry the right of electing the Dean. The motion was seconded and was about to be unanimously passed when an objection was stated vizt: that the Convener and Deacons had not received the instructions of their Trades in regard to the proposed change. An adjourned meeting of the Council was thereupon called, when the Convener and Deacons did by instruction of their respective Trades voted unanimously with the Council on favour of the Guildry. At a subsequent Meeting of the Toun Council at which the Trades were not present the resolutions in favour of the Guildry were rescinded in toto. But the committee submits that it was irregular in the Toun Council to rescind the former resolutions without the advice and consent of the Trades who had been very properly called to vote on that occasion. The committee is therefore of opinion that the resolutions of the 9 th August still remain in force. But though the Act of Council rescinding the resolutions of the 9 th of August were regular, the Committee apprehended that the Toun Council acted under a misapprehension that the Convention of Burghs would refuse to sanction any change of the sett of the Burgh and that the Toun Council in consequence of the late proceedings in the case of the burgh of Montrose will now be disposed to revert to the resolutions of 9 th August, and to grant the prayer of the petitions presented to them by the Guildry and Trades in January last. The Committee begs leave to remind the Toun council that an application from the Burgh of Montrose for a more extensive sett of that Burgh than that sought by the Guildry was unanimously granted by the Convention of Burghs, and that of course the Commissioners and assessor from Dundee voted for the measure. The committee would therefore ask the Toun Council whether the Guildry of Dundee are not entitled to the same indulgence at their hands; especially after the Toun Council with the advice and consent of the Trades have already declared that the demands of the Guildry are just and expedient. The Committee has directed Robert Jobson Esquire to call a Meeting of the Guildry to be held in the Guild hall on Wednesday the 2d day of October next, to elect a Dean of Guild for the following year as well as the assessors and officers. It is probable that the Guildry would elect as their dean, a Gentleman not a member of the Toun Council. Of however the Toun Council were to propose to the Committee that the Guildry should elect to be dean the same 9
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