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1 MR. PATTON: Well, we won't go -- I 2 wasn't there, but we'll see what I am able to 3 learn about -- 4 MR. HERMS: Okay. 5 MR. PATTON: -- its conception. 6 MR. HERMS: I'm looking forward to 7 the Bureau of State Audit's report. 8 MR. PATTON: Yeah. And I -- but I'm 9 just talking to people who knew something 10 about this. And a lot of people have -- there 11 has been some -- there's been awareness of 12 this in different circles. That's why I'm 13 asking you what you might have heard because 14 you were in one -- 15 MR. HERMS: Um-hum. 16 MR. PATTON: -- you were in the 17 executive circle. In the Off Highway Vehicle 18 fund, we've had -- and you were there from 19 '07 -- 20 MR. HERMS: Um-hum. 21 MR. PATTON: -- to '11, so I'll just 22 look at these five years. The most recent 23 year is identified as there being a thirty- 24 three-and-a-half million dollar disparity, 25 thirty-three-and-a half less reported to Sarnoff, A VERITEXT COMPANY 877-955-3855 Page 38
1 Finance than to the Controller. Well, the 2 year before, it shows twenty million more 3 being reported to Finance than to the 4 Controller. For '09 and '08, things are 5 fairly close. In '07, again, we've got an 6 overreport, '07 and '6, much more reported to 7 Finance than to the Controller. 8 So this -- as I indicated early on, 9 this has been all over the map -- 10 MR. HERMS: Yeah. 11 MR. PATTON: -- the OHV. And I'm 12 sort of curious if you have a recollection of 13 anything in particular -- you mentioned 14 sweepings, loans. Do you recall which years 15 there might have been some borrowing of OHV 16 funds? 17 MR. HERMS: You know, I don't know 18 the exact years, but all of that's in the 19 governor's budget -- 20 MR. PATTON: Yeah, okay. 21 MR. HERMS: -- because those were 22 all very openly identified. I know that over 23 the last several years it's been more than a 24 hundred million; it's been quite a lot. 25 MR. PATTON: Okay. Any other Sarnoff, A VERITEXT COMPANY 877-955-3855 Page 39
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