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1 unallocated fund sitting out there, but I 2 can't remember the specific conversation, but 3 I'm pretty sure I did. 4 MR. PATTON: When did you leave? 5 MR. HERMS: I guess it was early 6 May, yeah. 7 MR. PATTON: May. I'm trying to 8 think when -- so where did you first learn of 9 this story because I don't think the news 10 stories came until later. 11 MR. HERMS: And that's when I first 12 heard. 13 MR. PATTON: When? 14 MR. HERMS: When it was published in 15 the Sac Bee. 16 MR. PATTON: So you -- but you left 17 in May, so you -- 18 MR. HERMS: Right. 19 MR. PATTON: -- first talked with 20 her about it after the news stories came out. 21 MR. HERMS: After the news story, 22 yeah, that's correct. 23 MR. PATTON: And so by then, you're 24 already out of the department. 25 MR. HERMS: I'm out of the Sarnoff, A VERITEXT COMPANY 877-955-3855 Page 48
1 department. But it may have been while she 2 was still there. I can't remember. She 3 didn't stay very long after this broke. I 4 can't remember -- 5 MR. PATTON: So you -- 6 MR. HERMS: As I said, I know that I 7 had the conversation. I believe that we 8 talked about this, and I think we both were 9 shocked at the -- what was being revealed. 10 But at that point, we weren't thinking in 11 terms of sort of legal -- we were just two 12 good friends who were both shocked about what 13 was going on. 14 MR. PATTON: So you'd left, she was 15 still there. 16 MR. HERMS: Yeah. 17 MR. PATTON: The news reports came 18 out -- 19 MR. HERMS: Right. 20 MR. PATTON: -- I think, in July, 21 and that's when the story basically came out 22 publicly. 23 MR. HERMS: Um-hum. 24 MR. PATTON: The review internally, 25 I think Aaron had initiated a little bit Sarnoff, A VERITEXT COMPANY 877-955-3855 Page 49
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