Illicit trade in native wildlife - witnesses Ando, Plant, Dawson, Green

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t4/nj CCC MR HALL: - - - Mr Green within minutes of receiving this information from Mr Plant?---I don't - - I don't remember when I did it. I just made sure - - Well, perhaps I can remind you?---I made sure I told Mr Dawson, who is the investigator, and I was a bit concerned as why Customs had dealt with me when I got told that I had no - - had no dealings with them at all any more, because I'd been taken out of the special investigations unit. I had a supervisor in the office that could have been called, so I made sure that the right people knew. Well, having received this information and speaking to Mr Dawson and Mr Mell, you had ample opportunity to tell them that Phil Green was a friend of yours - this person who you knew was about to be searched?---I didn't want to say anything about that. You didn't want to, no?---Because he was a friend of mine 14 years ago, and I keep on going back to it, that I'd been - - And he was still a friend of yours?---Yes. Can we hear 199, please? AUDIO TAPE PLAYED TO HEARING MR HALL: "Today" you emphasise. Why "today"?---I don't know. When's Charlie Sultana's birthday?---Well, when he was going over - - I seriously don't - - I just thought it was around this time of year. Well, do you know when Charlie Sultana's birthday is?---No. But I just knew that - - Would it surprise you to know it's in February?---Yes. Why were you emphasising the word "today"?---I don't know. Well, I suggest to you you were emphasising it because what you were trying to convey to Mr Green was that he was about to be the subject of enforcement action?---But I don't understand how someone can think that's going to be something in relation to enforcement action. I knew he was going over for a party at Charlie's place, and I just made sure that he wished him a happy birthday, because I probably wouldn't speak to him again. Well, that should be enough then, shouldn't it, leaving a message?---Well, I wanted to speak to him face to face. 23.11.04 A.G. ANDO XN 129 10.17
t4/nj CCC MR HALL: All right. But there's no need to do more than that, is there?---Well, he could have come and visited me or whatever. Yes?---I can recall ringing him again. I wanted to speak to him. Right. Well, how many times did you call him?---Well, I eventually got him on the phone. Well, how many times did you call him?---Twice. I called him on a mobile and couldn't get him, so then I called him at home. All right. This was at 8.23. A minute later - - can we listen to 200, please? AUDIO TAPE PLAYED TO HEARING MR HALL: That was very faint, but you accept that that was you leaving a message on Anne Gracie's mobile telephone?--- That's the same message, yes. Same message, yes. A minute later. What was the urgency?---I was trying to get a hold of him to speak to him. Well, what was the urgency about wishing Charlie a - - ?--- Because - - - - "happy birthday today"?---Because I knew he was going to be leaving soon. That's what he had told me the week before. Yes. Why was there any necessity to make several calls about this?---Because I wanted to speak to him. Because not everyone answers their messagebank. And you did get through to him eventually, didn't you?---Yes. What did you say to him then?---I just - - I don't know. I probably said - - I can't recall. I'm sure I told him to wish Charlie a happy birthday. Mm hm. Anything else?---Not that I can recall. So that was the full content of the message that you wanted to convey to him; just to wish Charlie happy birthday?---Well, he said to me he's in the middle of something, and that was it. When someone sort of cuts you short, that's the end of the conversation then, isn't it? Well, did you think that what might have been occupying him was in fact the search that you had received advice of?--- Well, I don't know. 23.11.04 A.G. ANDO XN 130
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