Illicit trade in native wildlife - witnesses Ando, Plant, Dawson, Green

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t10/nj CCC MR HALL: Whilst he was working with you I take it he had access to the intelligence database?---Limited. It's quite a hard system to operate. Andrew had some access to some information, sure. 23.11.04 R.D. DAWSON XN 145
t11/kr CCC MR HALL: Now, was Mr Green, Mr Phil Green, a person of interest at that time?---Mr Phil Green's been a person of interest for a few years now. Andrew's listened to the tapes. In the early days, Andrew was tasked with the responsibility with Customs to jointly listen to the tapes and was quite clear in them days, when they had no idea of us listening to them, they were providing unsolicited information about their activities, and Andrew was very aware of them activities. In fact, he reported them to me. Was Mr Green in fact prosecuted?---Yes, he was. Now - - ?---And as Andrew said, he did head up that - - that was the first job he had when he first come and joined, yeah. Did he tell you either at that time or at any subsequent time that he had a friendly relationship with Mr Green?---It's one thing I find very surprising. I had no idea that he had any relationship with him at all. I still find it hard to believe that he had a relationship with him at that time when we conducted the investigation. We took $32,000 worth of birds off Mr Green. He wasn't very happy. No, I can imagine. Now, I take it that Mr Ando was involved in other investigations as well?---Yeah, many. I mean, he's a wildlife investigator, you know? He's been - - he's been very competent in years gone by, you know, had good results. Still up to the last few days. I mean, I saw him deal with a lot of section 79 notices, which is illegal import of birds and he actually dealt with them. Now, I don't want to get too much into the detail, but there are certain forms that have to be lodged by those who both keep birds and then intend to send them outside of Western Australia?---Yes, that's correct. Now, Mr Mell told us about different types of licence that can be - - ?---Yes. - - kept, and there are returns that have to be made, particularly by dealers?---Yes. And those returns are intended to enable the Department of Conservation & Land Management, if it needs to do so, to check the providence of a bird, to determine where it's come from?-- -Yes, that's the - - that's the aim of it. Yes. In the course of your career as an investigator with CALM, have you come across any allegations that these records are falsified on occasion to legitimise wild-caught birds?--- In consultation with Andrew, and this is some of the issues where he - - he reckons we - - I tried to steal his thunder, 23.11.04 R.D. DAWSON XN 146 10.52
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