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26 BD SUNDAY<br />

C002D5556 Sunday <strong>22</strong> <strong>Oct</strong>ober <strong>2017</strong><br />

TheWorshippers<br />

Church leaders need to take support for<br />

mission work more seriously – Rev. Ajiboye<br />

Rev. Dare Ajiboye took over the mantle of leadership as the eighth general secretary and chief executive officer of<br />

the Bible Society of Nigeria (BSN) in 2014. In this interview with Seyi John Salau, Ajiboye speaks on the journey so<br />

far, the need for church leaders to do more in supporting mission work, and the state of affairs in the polity.<br />

How has the journey been<br />

for you so far as the general<br />

secretary and chief executive<br />

officer of the Bible Society of<br />

Nigeria?<br />

If I say it has been smooth,<br />

then it is a great deceit. I<br />

came on board as the CEO<br />

specifically on 20th August,<br />

2013 when the economy<br />

of this country was good, but<br />

you would agree with me that<br />

within the last two years the<br />

economy of Nigeria has nosedived.<br />

Of course, that does not<br />

mean that the economy started<br />

nose-diving in the last two years.<br />

The negative impact that we see<br />

in our economy started long ago.<br />

Being a leader at a time as<br />

this is not an easy task: you are<br />

struggling with how to get fund<br />

to pay the salaries of staff; you<br />

are struggling with how to even<br />

bring in the Bible, which is the<br />

core activity that we do. It simply<br />

means that to translate the<br />

Bible to different languages is<br />

becoming very difficult. But the<br />

economy is affecting the donors<br />

and by extension affecting us because<br />

we are not getting enough<br />

funds again. Besides that, we are<br />

finding it difficult to get dollar<br />

to bring in published translated<br />

Bibles because in Nigeria today,<br />

for me, there is no printing press<br />

that can handle the quantity and<br />

quality of the Bibles we bring in.<br />

And if we have to rely on dollar,<br />

how do we go about getting<br />

these dollars?<br />

Again, our roads are in a bad<br />

shape adding to the cost of leadership.<br />

If you come in through<br />

Western Avenue to our office<br />

here in Apapa, you can see how<br />

bad the roads are and we have to<br />

bring in our vehicles every day.<br />

And some of these vehicles are<br />

heavily loaded. We spend the<br />

little money we get to fix the<br />

vehicles with which the Bibles<br />

are delivered.<br />

Leadership has to do with<br />

leading people. I must say that<br />

I used to think I understood<br />

leadership, having led at various<br />

departmental levels in school as<br />

the president of the fellowship<br />

and leading in the various arms<br />

of the church. Within the last<br />

four years I want to tell you that<br />

I now know what leadership is<br />

all about. Leadership is a difficult<br />

thing. You even blame leaders<br />

for not taking your suggestions<br />

but looking at it holistically, I<br />

know why some decisions are<br />

not taken. Again, it is not an easy<br />

task to be able to bring people<br />

Dare Ajiboye<br />

to your life to see and run with<br />

the vision and probably still run<br />

with that vision when you leave.<br />

I have also seen that leadership<br />

involves relying on God, I have<br />

seen challenges within these<br />

four years and if God had not<br />

called me to BSN, I would have<br />

felt like going back and just leaving<br />

the job. Sometimes I tell God,<br />

‘But I prayed to you before applying<br />

for this job and accepting<br />

it. You gave me this job, I did not<br />

lobby for it and I did not want<br />

to apply even after you told me<br />

to apply for it.’ With the help of<br />

God I have been given solutions<br />

to them by God, though it has<br />

not been easy, especially in a<br />

time of economic recession. To<br />

be candid, God has been faithful.<br />

What can you tell us about<br />

the projects being executed by<br />

BSN?<br />

BSN has translated the Bible<br />

into 24 Nigerian languages and<br />

we also have two that have<br />

been completed. We are only<br />

waiting for funding that God<br />

would provide to publish Okrika<br />

and Kalabari Bible. The two<br />

languages are spoken in Rivers<br />

State. We are trusting God for<br />

funding. Currently we have<br />

10 translations ongoing; one<br />

of them is my own language,<br />

Okun. It is a language spoken<br />

in about five local government<br />

areas in Kogi and Kwara States<br />

and some local government<br />

areas in Ekiti State. So it is a<br />

vast language. Though it is<br />

not spoken the same way in<br />

these places, we understand<br />

ourselves. We are also working<br />

on Epie and Ogbia languages<br />

which are spoken in Bayelsa<br />

State, and we also have other<br />

languages. But in total we have<br />

10 Nigerian languages that we<br />

are working on. It costs about<br />

a minimum of N44 million to<br />

translate the Bible into a language,<br />

that is why we ask for<br />

funds from Christians who are<br />

willing to support us.<br />

Earlier you spoke about<br />

funding for your activities. How<br />

has the support been like since<br />

you came onboard?<br />

I must say this is one of the<br />

major challenges that we are<br />

facing. Some churches feel we<br />

are competing with them. Some<br />

do not see BSN as adding any<br />

value to Christendom and this<br />

has been a major concern. They<br />

use the Bible, have branches in<br />

the rural area where they use<br />

the Bible in indigenous translations<br />

– Efik, Tiv, etc – yet they do<br />

not see us as relevant. We even<br />

try to educate them but they<br />

are more concerned about doing<br />

their own things. Yes, it is a good<br />

thing to have structures, mammoth<br />

crowd following us, but<br />

without the Bible there would be<br />

no church in the first place. And<br />

if there is no church there would<br />

be no pastors, and that is why I<br />

expect church leaders to take<br />

support for BSN with seriousness.<br />

We thank God for the few<br />

that are supporting us, whereas<br />

some do not even want to see us.<br />

I must say that The Apostolic<br />

Church, even when we go there<br />

and they sight us, they would<br />

announce our presence. They<br />

have been helpful. Christ Apostolic<br />

Church, Mountain of<br />

Fire and Miracles, The Baptist<br />

Church and ECWA are great supporters<br />

of BSN. Even some with<br />

all formality still do not want to<br />

see us because they think we are<br />

coming to beg from them. But I<br />

keep saying this to everybody<br />

that cares to listen: God has<br />

called me and I do not need to<br />

be a beggar to do this job. I do not<br />

need money for myself. Even if<br />

I have any personal challenge, I<br />

talk to God about it and thank<br />

God he has been taking care of<br />

my personal challenges. I have<br />

never begged. But the BSN needs<br />

the support of these leaders and<br />

they should know that without<br />

the Bible there would be no<br />

church and without church<br />

there would be no pastor. They<br />

use the word of God to preach,<br />

teach and grow their members.<br />

Then they should begin to think<br />

about how to support Bible<br />

translations.<br />

Away from the BSN now.<br />

The President Muhammadu<br />

Buhari administration seems<br />

to have fallen short of its campaign<br />

promises to Nigerians,<br />

which has resulted in calls for<br />

resignation in some quarters.<br />

Are the electorate right to have<br />

made such call?<br />

I do not know about what they<br />

mean by incompetence. To me<br />

competence is a combination of<br />

skills that leaders need to influence<br />

others to get positive result.<br />

So competence is a component of<br />

the type of knowledge, skill and<br />

attitude. When people voted for<br />

him, I think they believed he had<br />

the competence to lead. I agree<br />

that Nigerians ought to have got<br />

something better even from the<br />

present government, but people<br />

should not also forget that leadership<br />

is sequential. Somebody<br />

stayed 100 years and people who<br />

come after build on what they<br />

met. When the colonial masters<br />

handed power to us, things were<br />

not like this; those who took over<br />

after them were not selfish, but<br />

gradually things started changing,<br />

even Jonathan must have<br />

inherited challenges as well as<br />

Buhari and these challenges may<br />

be overwhelming, and people<br />

looking at it want quick fixes. If<br />

we want Nigeria to be better, then<br />

we cannot have quick fixes; it<br />

would take time, though what we<br />

want to see is not talking about<br />

the past again.<br />

As far as I am concerned, a<br />

leader should be less concerned<br />

about the negative things the<br />

predecessor did but know that<br />

he or she has been brought to<br />

leadership to do well. So they<br />

should stop talking about the<br />

past. Managers do not change<br />

situations but maintain status<br />

quo, but leaders influence<br />

changes, make things better no<br />

matter how bad the situation is;<br />

they do not make things static.<br />

Another thing is that you<br />

might have competency but may<br />

not have the right people around<br />

you. He might be handicapped<br />

in making some laws because it<br />

has to go through the lower and<br />

higher chamber which at the<br />

end of the day might take three<br />

years and he is handicapped<br />

and cannot do anything. If the<br />

judiciary and legislature arms do<br />

not have the competent people<br />

to help the executive, then we<br />

are wasting time. At this time<br />

we cannot ask him to resign<br />

because we voted him there and<br />

we would be disappointed if he<br />

resigns because we thought he<br />

could do it; so we are praying for<br />

him for good health and competencies<br />

to carry on. It is only by<br />

him succeeding that we would<br />

succeed. I encourage people to<br />

stop castigating, especially from<br />

a narrow perspective.

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