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#22 (206), 9-15.V, 2012 w.<br />
saerTo gazeTi<br />
13<br />
`saerTo gazeTis~ stumaria<br />
profesori vaJa lorTqifaniZe<br />
_ batono vaJa, yvelasaTvis<br />
cxadi gaxda, rom amerikuli<br />
arasamTavrobo organizaciis `airais~<br />
kvlevebis SedegebiT, saqarTveloSi<br />
mosaxleoba kvlav<br />
nacionalur partiasa da mis liders<br />
uWers mxars, mosaxleobam<br />
ise Seafasa, TiTqos es gaxlavT<br />
aSS-is mTavrobis ganwyobac<br />
Cvens mimarT da isini mxars dauWeren<br />
momaval arCevnebSi<br />
kvlav saakaSvils, Tqvenc<br />
ase fiqrobT?<br />
_ Cemi azriT, erT-erTi<br />
kvleviTi institutisa Tu<br />
arasamTavrobo organizaciis<br />
mier erT konkretul<br />
qveyanaSi Catarebuli gamokiTxva<br />
Tu kvleva, sulac<br />
ar niSnavs imas, rom aSS-s<br />
mTavroba mxars uWers am<br />
kvlevis Sedegebs, Tu vinme<br />
ase fiqrobs, es arasworia!<br />
SeiZleba viRacas awyobs,<br />
rom es ase warmoaCinos,<br />
magram es ase ar gaxlavT.<br />
mTavari is ki ar aris, vis<br />
ra unda, mTavaria, es ase<br />
aris Tu ara.<br />
amerikis saxelmwifom<br />
da misma liderebma araerTgzis<br />
aRniSnes, rom isini<br />
mxars uWeren ara romelime<br />
liders, aramed saqarTvelos<br />
da elodebian iseT arCevnebs,<br />
romelic samarTlianad Catardeba.<br />
araerTgzis aRniSnes<br />
barak obamac da sxvebmac, rom<br />
isini elodebian xelisuflebis<br />
mSvidobiani formiT gadabarebas,<br />
Secvlas. rac Seexeba calkeuli<br />
institutebis kvlevebs, Secdoma<br />
imaSi mdgomareobs, rom maT, Cemi<br />
azriT, mikerZoebulad Sear-<br />
Cies kvlevis Camtareblebi! es<br />
xom amerikelebis mier Catarebuli<br />
kvlevebi ar aris. me ramdenadac<br />
vici, am kvlevebs atareben<br />
saqarTvelos organizaciebi, is<br />
jgufebi, romelnic pirdapir<br />
arian mibmulni xelisuflebas.<br />
es aris yvelaze mniSvnelovani<br />
garemoeba. amitom, aqedan Cven ar<br />
unda velodoT obieqturobas. es<br />
yovelTvis iqneba mikerZoebuli<br />
imis gamo, rom Camtarebeli organizacia<br />
aris Semadgeneli nawili<br />
xelisuflebis. meore Secdoma<br />
aris isic, rom ar aris<br />
gaTvaliswinebuli da Seswavlili<br />
kvlevis meTodologia. sociologiis<br />
kvlevas aqvs zusti<br />
kriteriumebi Sesafaseblad da<br />
es Sedegebi didad aris damokidebuli<br />
am meTodologiaze.<br />
aris sxva kvlevebic Catarebuli<br />
saqarTveloSi da isini<br />
sulac ar emTxveva am kvlevis<br />
Sedegebs.<br />
Tu romelime instituti ganzrax<br />
SecdomiT Caatarebs kvlevebs,<br />
es sulac ar niSnavs imas,<br />
rom maTi saxelmwifos liderebi<br />
eTanxmebian maT isac nu dagvaviwydeba,<br />
rom amerika didi saxelmwifoa,<br />
iq bevri sxvadasxva<br />
ganwyobaa. Tu laparakia amerikis<br />
dRevandel xelisuflebaze, maT<br />
xalxis azriT<br />
saakaSvilis antiqar-<br />
Tuli politika –<br />
aWara Turqebs!.. afxazeTi<br />
da cxinvali<br />
rusebs!.. Tbilisi, “kavkasiis<br />
dedaqalaqi”?! xolo quTaisi,<br />
saqarTvelos “dedaqalaqi”?!<br />
sadac, – xan parlamentis Tavmjdomare<br />
iqneba, – xan ki premier<br />
– ministri!!!.. es xumroba<br />
ar aris!.. Tu sul gamovlenCdiT<br />
qarTvelebi da marto imis<br />
imedad viqeniT, – moaxerxeben<br />
Tu ara, qarTveli “respublikelebi”<br />
an alasanias “Tavisufali<br />
demokratebi”, amerikeli<br />
senatorebisa da kongresmenebis<br />
darwmunebas saakaSvilis<br />
“arademokratiulobaSi”, – ma-<br />
Sin qveyana aRar gveqneba!!!.. amitom,<br />
qarTveli eris saakaSvilis<br />
reJimTan dapirispireba<br />
scildeba “saSinao CarCoebs”<br />
`carieli adgilis~ da `liliputebis~<br />
erTmaneTis sinqronuli lanZRviT<br />
mxolod saqarTvelo zaraldeba...<br />
da amavdroulad, igi unda ganvixiloT,<br />
rogorc “sagareo<br />
momakvdinebeli safrTxe”, –<br />
saqarTvelos saxelmwifoebriobisa<br />
da mTlianobisaTvis, –<br />
aqedan gamomdinare SedegebiT!!!..<br />
moRalate Tu mosyiduli<br />
saakaSvilis winaaRmdeg<br />
brZola, qarTveli erisTvis<br />
yofna – aryofnis zRvarze gadis!!!..<br />
mokled, samSoblo gansacdelSia<br />
da mxolod “qudze<br />
kaci” gadaarCens mas daRupvisagan!!!<br />
miSa Tavis stiqiaSia<br />
ra.. soxumi qarTuli<br />
qalaqi arasdros yofilao<br />
_ es idiotoba<br />
kidev gaimeora... ise aRmova-<br />
Cine, am kacs buCqebis mimarT<br />
marTlac saxelmwifoebrivi<br />
midgoma aqvs..:)<br />
araerTgzis ganacxades rom isini<br />
mxars uWeren xelisuflebis<br />
mSvidobian gadabarebas. amiT me<br />
vfiqrob, yvelaferia naTqvami _<br />
es aris maTi pozicia! es me<br />
msmenia maTi respublikuri<br />
partiis liderebisganac, kongresmenebisganac,<br />
senatorebisganac.<br />
CemTvis es ufro<br />
mTavaria, vidre romelime<br />
kvlevis Sedegebi. isic nu<br />
dagvaviwydeba, rom aseTi<br />
kvlevebi sworedac imitom<br />
tardeba, rom am yvelaferma<br />
xalxis ganwyobaze, maT azrze<br />
imoqmedos _ es qveynis<br />
Sida moxmarebisTvis aris<br />
gaTvlili! es Sedegebi im<br />
mizniT daido, rom xalxs es<br />
kiTxva gasCenoda, rac Tqven<br />
damisviT, xom ar uWers aSS<br />
saqarTvelos xelisuflebas<br />
mxars? aseTi kvlevebi ruseTzec<br />
SeiZleba Cataron da<br />
Tqvan, rom saakaSvils mxars<br />
uWers ruseTic. es yvelaferi<br />
arasworia. kvlevis meTodologiis<br />
dros ar aris gaTvaliswinebuli<br />
erTi mniSvnelovani<br />
ram, is SiSis faqtori, romelic<br />
dRes Cvens qveyanaSi sufevs<br />
da xelisuflebis mxridan inergeba.<br />
bunebrivia, roca Sedian adamianebTan,<br />
Tanac iseT dros, roca<br />
yvelam icis, rom kvlevis Camtareblebi<br />
nacionaluri partiis<br />
megobrebi arian, vin gascems<br />
swor pasuxs an ratom? yvela<br />
etyvis tyuilad, rom isini nacionalebis<br />
mxardamWerebi arian.<br />
yvelam naTlad dainaxa, rom<br />
vinc ki gamoxata Ria mxardaWera<br />
biZina ivaniSvilis mimarT, ra<br />
dReSi Caagdes isini. aSineben maT<br />
ojaxebs, ateroreben, apatimreben,<br />
arTmeven bizness. vinc biZina<br />
ivaniSvilis moqalaqeobas xeli<br />
moawera. Worvileli maswavleblebis<br />
skolebidan gaaTavisufleba<br />
ra moqmedebaa? ra aris<br />
imaSi gasakviri, rom maswavleblebi,<br />
skolebidan gaaTavisufles.<br />
es ra moqmedebaa? ra aris<br />
imaSi gasakviri, rom maswavleblebi,<br />
romlebic muSaoben ivaniSvilis<br />
mier aSenebul skolaSi,<br />
romelTac mxardaWera igrZnes am<br />
pirovnebisgan am mZime wlebSi,<br />
bevrisTvis is sisxliT naTesavic<br />
aris da mxari ar unda dae-<br />
WiraT misTvis moqalaqeobis aRdgenaze?<br />
ar imsaxurebs es pirovneba<br />
sul mcire, saqarTvelos<br />
moqalaqeobas mainc? ra<br />
aris am mxardaWeraSi cudi? es<br />
yovelive ar apaties maswavleblebs<br />
da moisroles da datoves<br />
usamsaxurod da dRes ra gasakviria,<br />
rom aseTi SiSis pirobeb-<br />
Si igive saCxereSi, an quTaisSi<br />
an TbilisSi xalxi daSinebulia<br />
da Tu vinme hkiTxavs, Tu vis<br />
miscemen xmas, ityvian nacionalebs.<br />
ase rom, am gamokiTxvebsa Tu<br />
kvlevis Sedegebs sinamdvilesTan<br />
aranairi kavSiri ara aqvs. da Tu<br />
Tqven mkiTxavT, rom am kvlevebis<br />
ukan amerika xom ar dgas, es<br />
gaxlavT is, rac undaT am azris<br />
gamavrceleblebs.<br />
_ biZina ivaniSvilisaTvis saqarTvelos<br />
moqalaqeobis armicema<br />
ras niSnavs nacionalebis<br />
mxridan?<br />
_ es imas niSnavs, rom amtkiceben<br />
TiTqos, rom rasac undaT,<br />
imas gaukeTeben ivaniSvils,<br />
xalxs ki daanaxeben, rom is<br />
Zlieri konkurenti ar aris<br />
dRevandeli xelisuflebis. es<br />
aris arasamarTliani qceva, da<br />
es nacionalebs miutans sapirispiro<br />
Sedegebs, imitom rom<br />
odiTganve ase iyo saqarTvelo-<br />
Si, rom sazogadoeba dgeba im<br />
adamianis gverdiT, visac usamar-<br />
Tlod eqcevian.<br />
_ ramodenime dRis win medvedevma<br />
televiziiT ganacxada,<br />
rom is pativs scems qarTvel<br />
xalxs da Cvens qveyanas, Tumca,<br />
saakaSvili mxolod `carieli<br />
adgilia~ da meti araferio,<br />
aris Tu ara es gamoTqma misi<br />
mxridan seriozuli?<br />
_ me rogorc Cveni qveynis<br />
xelisuflebis mxridan, var winaaRmdegi<br />
aseTi aradiplomatiuri<br />
da araseriozuli gamonaTqvamebisa,<br />
aseve ver miviReb aseTive<br />
qcevas maTi mxridanac. Tuki Cven<br />
obieqturi da samarTlianebi<br />
viqnebiT, isic unda vTqvaT, rom<br />
Tu am xelisuflebis winaaRmdegni<br />
arian, me ar var amaSi<br />
darwmunebuli, im did saxelmwifos<br />
da mis liderebs moeTxovebaT<br />
imdeni sibrZne da politikuri<br />
simwife, rom saakaSvilTan<br />
pirad interesebs da qiliks ar<br />
gadaayolon mTeli qveyana. rogorc<br />
Cven qveyanas moeTxoveba<br />
koreqtuloba maT mimarT, isinic<br />
unda iyvnen koreqtulni.<br />
_ ukacravad, magram es qiliki<br />
da lanZRva erTmaneTis mimarT,<br />
putins da medvedevs saakaSvilTan<br />
sinqronSi uwevT, xan<br />
erTi mxare eZaxis meores `liliputs~,<br />
xan meore mxare saakaSvils<br />
`Ïóñòîóå ìåñòî~-s. ras<br />
unda niSnavdes es sinqroni?<br />
_ is, rac rusebma gaakeTes<br />
afxazeTTan an cxinvalTan mimar-<br />
TebaSi, ar eteva aranair CarCo-<br />
Si an wesSi imis mimarT, rom me<br />
cud urTierTobaSi var saakaSvilTan<br />
da amitom unda vamyofo<br />
xalxi aseT mdgomareobaSi. Tu<br />
qarTveli xalxi uyvars medvedevs,<br />
maSin mis istoriasac unda<br />
scen pativi, mis teritoriul<br />
mTlianobas. miwis xelyofa ar<br />
aris samarTliani qceva.<br />
Tu afxazebma moiTxoves damoukidebloba,<br />
xom yvelam kargad<br />
icis, rom es aris istoriis<br />
gayalbeba da arasamarTlianoba.<br />
Tu 2008 wlamde yvela da<br />
maT Soris ruseTi aRiarebda<br />
Cveni teritoriis mTlianobas,<br />
ra Seicvala 2008 wlis mere?<br />
afrikul qveynebSi rom midian<br />
da eZeben mokavSireebs, vinc<br />
afxazeTisa da oseTis damoukideblobas<br />
cnobs. es swori qcevaa?<br />
saqarTvelos teritoriaze<br />
rom ganalages TavianTi samxedro<br />
bazebi rusebma vis jinaze<br />
gaakeTes, erTi pirovnebisa mxolod?<br />
cxadia, maT aseT qcevaze<br />
damnaSave Cveni xelisuflebac<br />
aris, magram ruseTis pasuxismgeblobas<br />
es ar xsnis im Sedegze<br />
_rac dRes miviReT qveyanaSi.<br />
pativs scemde qarTvel<br />
xalxs da mis istorias da qveyanas<br />
ase moeqce _ sruliad SeuTavsebelia!<br />
ase, rom medvedevis<br />
mxridan es sityvebi aris mxolod<br />
ritorika!<br />
_ saakaSvilic xSirad ambobs,<br />
rom is pativs scems rus<br />
turistebs, xalxs. erTnair `TamaSs~<br />
xom ar `TamaSobs~ es ori<br />
lideri?<br />
_ ara marto turistebi uyvarT<br />
Cvens xelisufalT, rus<br />
biznesmenebsac kargad uxsnian<br />
kars. aqedan Cans, rom deklarireba<br />
xdeba erTi ramis, realurad<br />
ki saqme sul sxvanairadaa.<br />
akeTebs misTvis sasargeblo gancxadebebs<br />
ruseTis xelisufalic<br />
da Cveni qveynisac, magram<br />
yvelasaTvis TvalnaTelia, rom<br />
dRemde mogebuli rCeba jerjerobiT<br />
ruseTi! Cven varT wagebuli<br />
da amas danaxva unda! aseTma<br />
`SemTxveviT sinqronizaciam~<br />
mxolod saqarTvelo daaziana!<br />
_ SeZlebs Tu ara moaxloebul<br />
saparlamento arCevnebSi<br />
`nacionaluri moZraoba~ gamarjvebas?<br />
_ vfiqrob, `airais~ msgavsi<br />
gamokiTxvebiT isini Tavs ar moityueben.<br />
mSvenivrad ician xalxis<br />
ganwyoba TavianT mimarT, amitom<br />
msgavsi gamokiTxvebiT Tu<br />
kvlevebiT cdiloben xalxi, Cven<br />
mogvatyuon, Torem momxreebi<br />
bevri rom ar hyavT, mSvenivrad<br />
ician. cxadia, yvelanairad Seecdebian,<br />
rom arCevnebi ar iyos<br />
obieqturi, magram sazogadoebis<br />
roli amjerad didi iqneba. xalxi<br />
unda Seecados imas, rom Tavi<br />
ar moatyuebinon maT.<br />
eTer kasreliSvili
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