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#22 (206), 9-15.V, 2012 w.<br />

saerTo gazeTi<br />

5<br />

gasul kviras amerikis respublikurma<br />

saerTaSoriso institutma<br />

IRI-m kvlevis Sedegebi<br />

gamoaqveyna, romelmac sazogadoebaSi<br />

bevri kiTxvis ni-<br />

Sani gaaCina. konkretulad ratom<br />

arsebobs aseTi negatiuri<br />

damokidebuleba kvlevebisadmi<br />

da SesaZloa, Tu ara kvlevis<br />

Sedegebma gavlena iqonios,<br />

amomrCevlis gadawyvetilebaze.<br />

,,saerTo gazeTs” politologi<br />

ramaz sayvareliZe esaubra.<br />

_ batono ramaz, ras fiqrobT<br />

aSS-is saerTaSoriso<br />

respublikuri institutis mier<br />

Catarebul kvelvebze, ramdenad<br />

damajereblad migaCniaT?<br />

_ IRI-is mier Catarebuli<br />

kvlevis Sedegebi damajereblad<br />

ar mimaCnia da samwuxarod, am<br />

undoblobas ewireba is, rac yvelze<br />

Zalian miyvars _ sociologiaa.<br />

kvlevisadmi, pirvel<br />

rigSi, Cemi undobloba ganpirobebulia<br />

im saidumloebebiT,<br />

rac axasiaTebs IRI-isa da NDIis<br />

kvlevebs. isini zust monacemebs<br />

ar aqveyneben da mere<br />

mkiTxaoba gviwevs. vgulisxmob,<br />

Tundac politikuri partiis<br />

reitingebs, romelsac Tavad ar<br />

axmovaneben, magram viRaca yovelTvis<br />

aqveynebs da mere gviwevs<br />

mkiTxaoba, Tu ramdenad<br />

zustia gavrcelebuli cifrebi.<br />

bunebrivia, monacemebs avrcelebs<br />

is partia, visTvisac dadebuli<br />

reitingebi ufro xelsayrelia.<br />

IRI-is kvlevaSi aris<br />

aseTi kiTxva, Tu romel liders<br />

endobiT opoziciidan. sainteresoa,<br />

ratom aris am formiT<br />

dasmuli SekiTxva? saer-<br />

Tod vis endobiT ar SeiZleboda<br />

ase dasmuliyo SekiTxva? am<br />

SemTxvevaSi, roca ase viwrovdeba<br />

sakiTxi, bunebrivia, ,,nacionaluri”<br />

moZraobisTvis ufro<br />

upriani iqneba kvlevaSi SedarebiT<br />

,,rbili” opozicioneris<br />

lideroba, vidre Tundac biZina<br />

ivaniSvilis.<br />

_ kiTxvaze, Tu romel opoziciur<br />

liders endobiT, kvlevis<br />

mixedviT 28%-iT giorgi<br />

TargamaZe liderobs, meore adgilze<br />

21%-iT biZina ivaniSvilia.<br />

es cifrebi ramdenad asaxavs<br />

im politikur realobas,<br />

rac qveyanaSia Seqmnili?<br />

_ es kiTxva unda daesvaT im<br />

adamianebisTvis, vinc opoziciis<br />

mxardamWeria da ara yvelasTvis.<br />

,,nacionaluri” moZraobis<br />

mxardamWers rom hkiTxav opoziciidan<br />

vis uWers mxarso,<br />

cxadia, daasaxelebs iseT kandidats,<br />

vinc misTvis da xelisuflebisTvis<br />

ufro komfortulia.<br />

giorgi TargamaZe, rogorc<br />

Cans, mmarTveli gundisTvis<br />

misaRebi opoziciuri lideria.<br />

_ batono ramaz, cota xnis<br />

win ,,qdm” daviT lorTqifaniZem<br />

politikuri Sexedulebis gamo<br />

datova da ,,qarTul ocnebaSi”<br />

gadavida. Tqvenc iziarebT mosazrebas,<br />

rom ,,qristian-demokratebi”<br />

xelisuflebis TamaSs<br />

TamaSoben?<br />

_ yovel SemTxvevaSi, xelisuflebisTvis<br />

,,qristiandemokratiuli”<br />

moZraoba arasasurvel<br />

partiad ar aRiqmeba.<br />

sakonstitucio iniciativa,<br />

rac moZraobis wevrebma wamoayenes,<br />

,,nacionalebma” aRfrTovanebiT<br />

,,aitaces” da aseTi<br />

harmonia maT Soris xSirad<br />

ikiTxeba. Tavs vityuebT Tu<br />

erTmaneTs vatyuebT _ gaugebaria.<br />

_ respublikuri institutis<br />

kvlevaSi kiTxvaze: xval<br />

rom saparlamento arCevnebi iyos,<br />

romel partias dauWerdiT<br />

mxars reitingi ase gadanawilda<br />

_ ,,nacionaluri moZraoba~<br />

45%, ,,qarTuli ocneba” _ 15%,<br />

,,qdm” _ 9%. ras fiqrobT am<br />

maCveneblebze?<br />

_ am formiT dasmul SekiTxvaze<br />

aseT Sedegs rom miiRebdnen,<br />

Zneli asaxsneli ar<br />

unda iyos. vfiqrob, es suraTi<br />

ufro xelovnuradaa Seqmnili.<br />

_ anu IRI-i xelisuflebis<br />

dakveTas asrulebs?<br />

_ cota xnis win NDI-sac<br />

swored am formulirebiT hqonda<br />

kiTxvebi Sedgenili da monacemebic,<br />

TiTqmis, IRI-is kvlevis<br />

Sedegebis analogia. me, piradad,<br />

studentma am formulirebiT<br />

Sedgenili kiTxvari rom<br />

momitanos, ukan davubruneb.<br />

ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~<br />

internetSi<br />

www.saertogazeti.ge<br />

SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-ze<br />

_ ras uwunebT<br />

konkretulad IRI-is<br />

kiTxvars?<br />

_ kiTxva gamiznulad<br />

isea dasmuli,<br />

rom SedegSi miviRoT<br />

giorgi TargamaZe da<br />

ara ivaniSvili. anu<br />

dasmuli SekiTxva<br />

provocirebas uke-<br />

Tebs pasuxs, ise, rom<br />

kiTxvari Segnebulad<br />

gamiznulia konkretuli<br />

SedegisTvis.<br />

_ am SemTxvevaSi<br />

visze, an raze iyo Sedegi<br />

orientirebuli?<br />

_ am SemTxvevaSi<br />

giorgi TargamaZe sazogadoebaSi<br />

ufro ndobiT<br />

aRWurvilad unda<br />

gamoiyurebodes, vidre<br />

biZina ivaniSvili.<br />

_ Tu kvleviTi organizaciis<br />

Sedegebi realurad ar asaxavs<br />

im situacias, rac qveyana-<br />

Sia, maSin ra mizani aqvs<br />

kvlevis Catarebas da SesaZloa,<br />

Tu ara arsebulma Sedegebma<br />

sazogadoebaze gavlena<br />

moaxdinos?<br />

_ SeiZleba, garkveul nawilze<br />

moaxdinos, magram saer-<br />

Todac rom ar moaxdinos da<br />

Tu arCvenebze saarCevno Sedegebi<br />

kvlevis analogi iqneba, ma-<br />

Sin mmarTveli gundi am kvlevebs<br />

argumentad gamoiyenebs,<br />

rom arCvenebi gayalbebuli ar<br />

ramaz sayvareliZe:<br />

ar mesmis ratom dasWirda<br />

amerikis an erT, an meore kvleviT<br />

organizacias gamxdariyo<br />

saakaSvilis sarCevno Stabis<br />

erT-erTi ganyofileba?<br />

aris. ase, rom mzaddeba arCevnebis<br />

gayalbebis foni.<br />

_ SesaZloa, vivaraudoT,<br />

rom IRI-is kvlevis Sedegebi<br />

,,nacmoZraobis” prestiJisTvis<br />

Catarda?<br />

_ swored es ar mesmis, ratom<br />

dasWirda amerikis an erT<br />

(IRI), an meore organizacias<br />

(NDI) gamxdariyo saxelisuflebo<br />

Stabis erT-erTi ganyofileba.<br />

aSS-isTvis es faqtori<br />

damamcirebelia.<br />

_ saubroben imaze, rom aSSi<br />

ar miiRebs saqarTveloSi gayalbebul<br />

arCevnebs. igive IRI,<br />

NDI xom amerikuli organizaciebi<br />

arian, maSin ras niSnavs<br />

es yvelaferi?<br />

_ ki, magram, viciT vis<br />

emorCilebian? isini ukve didi<br />

xania saqarTveloSi muSaoben da<br />

iqneb maT saqarTvelos xelisuflebasTan<br />

Tavi kargad igrZnes?<br />

saqarTvloSi NDI-i luis<br />

navaros xelmZRvanelobamdec<br />

arsebobda, Tumca aseT politikur<br />

WidiliSi monawileobas ar<br />

Rebulobda. analogiurad IRI-c<br />

CarTulia analogiur TamaSSi.<br />

amitom maTi moxibvla, an ,,nacionalurma”<br />

moZraobam moaxerxa,<br />

an TavianTi qveynis politika<br />

Tavad am organizaciebs ar ainteresebT.<br />

_ ra unda gakeTdes saimisod,<br />

rom kvlevbisadmi amdeni<br />

kiTxvis niSnebi ar daisvas?<br />

_ iago kaWkaWiSvilma SesTavaza,<br />

rom maT erTmaneTis kvlevebi<br />

gadaemowmebinaT, Tumca arc<br />

IRI-m da arc NDI-m mis iniciativas<br />

mxari ar dauWira, rac<br />

kidev erTxel miuTiTebs imaze,<br />

rom amerikuli organizaciebi<br />

WeSmaritebiT dainteresebuli<br />

ar arian.<br />

_ erTia, roca kvlevis Seegebs<br />

ar endobiT, magram is<br />

cifrebi rac IRI-m ,,qarTul<br />

ocnebasTan” dakavSirebiT dado,<br />

xom ar aris ganpirobebuli ivaniSvilisa<br />

da misi garemocvis<br />

pasiurobiT?<br />

_ rac ufro aqtiuri iqneba<br />

esa Tu is mxare, miT ufro nakleb<br />

damajerebeli iqneba misi<br />

dabali reitingi. Tumca me arc<br />

imas gamovricxav, rom ivaniSvilis<br />

mxares ufro dabali reitingi<br />

arsebobdes, vidre kvlevaSia<br />

asaxuli, radgan maTi<br />

mxridan aqtiuroba ar aris.<br />

Tumca am SemTxvevaSi, ufro mawuxebs<br />

sociologiis bedi, vidre<br />

ivaniSvilis.<br />

_ ras gulisxmobT?<br />

_ samwuxarod, sociologiis<br />

diskreditacia xdeba. albaT,<br />

sociologia simarTles roca<br />

ityvis, arc maSin daujereben.<br />

_ Tumca xelisufleba yovelTvis<br />

axerxebs mZime situaciidan<br />

gamosvlas da viTarebis<br />

saTavisod Semobrunebas?<br />

_ xelisufleba Zalian seriozuli<br />

mebrZolia da brwyinvaled<br />

icis politikuri brZolis<br />

meTodebi da Sesabamisad<br />

karg Sedegebsac iRebs.<br />

_ aseTi Zlieri konkurentis<br />

pirobebSi ramdenad sworad<br />

moqmedebs ivaniSvili, roca<br />

aseT pasiurobas iCens?<br />

_ SesaZloa, arsebobdes ase-<br />

Ti strategia, rom piks miaRwion<br />

maSin, roca qveyanaSi winasaarCveno<br />

bumi iqneba.<br />

agvistos bolo da seqtemberi<br />

iqneba piki am arCevnebisTvis<br />

da Tqma imisa, rom am strategias<br />

arsebobis ufleba ar<br />

aqvs, marTebuli ar iqneba.<br />

_ 27 maiss ,,qarTuli ocneba”<br />

winasaarCevno kampaniis farglebSi<br />

masStabur aqcias gegmavs.<br />

am masStabis aqcia, Tundac<br />

moedanze, ramdenad iqneba Sedegze<br />

orientirebuli?<br />

_ gaaCnia, stadionze ras<br />

apireben `ocnebis~ warmomadgenlebi.<br />

albaT, gaxsovT, ramdenime<br />

wlis win, roca stadionze<br />

opoziciis iniciativiT xalxi<br />

Seikriba, finalma ra dramatuli<br />

saxe miiRo da faqtobrivad,<br />

gadaswona Sekrebis yvela plusi.<br />

amitom gaaCnia, rogoraa gawerili<br />

,,qarTuli ocnebis” gegmebi<br />

da ra aqvT mofiqrebuli<br />

saimisod, rogor gauSvan stadionze<br />

misuli aTasobiT adamiani,<br />

rac advili saqme namdvilad<br />

araa. amitom ar vici, rogori<br />

scenari muSavdeba da sanam<br />

ar vnaxav, komentaris gake-<br />

Teba gamiWirdeba.<br />

miranda nabaxteveli<br />

jon basi: yvelgan unda iyos daculi saerTaSorisod<br />

aRiarebuli uflebebi ise,<br />

rogorc es dasavleTSia<br />

saqarTveloSi aSS-is elCis jon basis gancxadebiT, mniSvnelovania<br />

rogorc mSvidobis miRweva, aseve muSaoba misi<br />

SenarCunebisTvis da iseTi qveynebis daxmareba, visac am<br />

TvalsazrisiT problemebi aqvs.<br />

amis Sesaxeb jon basma dRes vakis parkSi ucnobi jariskacis<br />

saflavis yvavilebiT Semkobis Semdeg ganacxada.<br />

rogorc basma aRniSna, yvelgan unda iyos daculi saer-<br />

TaSorisod aRiarebuli uflebebi ise, rogorc es dasavleT-<br />

Sia.<br />

`medianiusi~

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