qronika+26(328)

CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK

294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com

yovelkvireuli gazeTi

gamodis samSabaTobiT N26 (328) 27.10

10.20

.2020

fasi 2 lari

gv. 12

gia xuxaSvili:

àm

dReebSi

kidev bevr

skandals

vixilavT~

konstantine forCxiZe:

ès

specoperacia

policias

ar unda

Caetarebina!~

zugdidis specoperaciis

gauxmaurebeli detalebi

gv. 8

xaTuna lagaziZe:

`qarTulma

ocnebam~

saqarTvelo

soflis

orRobed

aqcia~

gv. 14

eqskluzivi

gv. 2

gv. 34

irakli da alternatiuli Stabi

gv. 4

Salva naTelaSvili:

ìvaniSvili

yvelafers, rac

yaCaRobiT

daagrova, bolo

centamde

dakargavs!~

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

gv. 6

nino burjanaZe:

àrCevnebi

minimaluri

standartebis

dacviT Tu

Catarda,

opozicia igebs~

gv. 10

petre mamraZe:

`qarTulma

ocnebam~ xalxs

imedebi gaucrua,

magram mainc es

Zala moipovebs

umravlesobas~

1


zugdidis specoperaciis

specoperacia sofel grigoliS-

eliso kilaZe

Si kviras gvian RamiT daiwyo. sp-

599 17 12 12

ecdaniSnulebis razmi yuliSkaris

mimdebare teritoriaze moulodnelad

ki gamoCnda, magram sofelSi mainc gaiges da erTmaneTsac

daurekes. informacia nika gvaramiam da me erTdrou-

lad da sxvadasxva wyarodan miviReT. daaxloebiT naxevar

saaTSi ki aseve orives gvacnobes, rom Tavdamsxmeli gaiqca.

amis Semdeg daigegma sagangebo eTeri „mTavar” arxze, sa-

dac Cvens xelT arsebuli informaciis nawili gavasajaroveT.

„saqarTvelos bankis” zugdidis

filialis Zarcvis Semdeg

„mTavari” arxis mier gasajaroebul

videoze Cvenma

wyarom mZevlebs Soris senakis

meore brigadis jariskaci daviT

xvibliani amoicno da nika

gvaramis informacia miawoda

imis Taobaze, rom xvibliani

realurad Tavdasxmis Tanamonawile

iyo. am informaciis

gasajaroebis Semdeg daiwyo

specoperaciis meore etapi,

feik-niusebis gavrceleba.

is, rom Tavdamsxmeli samxedro

piri iyo, amaSi eWvi aravis

epareboda. aRmoCnda, rom

daTo xviblians misive mogvare

da axlo naTesavi hyavs samxedro,

magram radgan arc gvaramiaa

damwyebi prokurori da arc

me _ damwyebi Jurnalisti, yvela

tipis informacias gansaku-

Trebuli sifrTxiliT movekideT

da Temur xviblianis saxeli

da gvari arc ki gvixsenebia.

amis miuxedavad, Tavdacvis uwyeba

ise airia, Temur xviblianma

saxelisuflebo arxebze ararsebuli

gancxadebebis gamo

Cvengan bodiSis moxda moiTxova.

amasobaSi daTo xviblianis

Zebnas iwyebs ojaxi. 7-saaTiani

mZevlobisa da 11-saaTiani dakiTxvis

mere mas verc telefoniT

ukavSirdebian da verc

mis adgilsamyofels adgenen.

paralelurad, viReb informacias

imis Sesaxeb, rom xvibliani

senakis samxedro bazaze

hyavT gadayvanili da masTan

operatiuli muSaoba mimdinareobs;

igi sastikad nacemia da

rom is gamoZebasTan Tanam-

Sromlobs. am informaciis gasajaroebis

mere CemTan xazze

gamodis „operatiuli deida”,

romelic mimtkicebs, rom xvibliani

samxedro bazaze dabrunda

da is agrZelebs movaleobis

Sesrulebas, rom is misi axlo

naTesavia da daTomac pirvelad

swored mas daureka da

ara ded-mamas. amis Semdeg iwyeba

damRleli komunikacia Cemsa

da xviblianis naTesavs Soris.

is miyveba, rom pirveli zaris

Semdeg xviblians videozariT

esaubra, rom is Cais svamda,

oTaxSi trusiT ijda da nacemi

araa, dasturad ki videozaris

„sqrini” Camigdo da mi-

Txra, rom zustad im momentisTvis

xviblianTan maRalCinosnebi

imyofebodnen da gasuli

iyo maTTan sasaubrod. CemTvis

imTaviTve cxadi gaxldaT, rom

„operatiuli deida” matyuebda,

radgan ukve mqonda informacia

imis Sesaxeb, rom xvibliani

„tv pirvelis” Jurnalistma

saxlSi Cawera da gamoricxuli

iyo, im momentisTvis is

senakis samxedro bazaze telefoniT

xelSi yofiliyo. amis

Semdeg „deida” gabrazda da Cemi

da nika gvaramias voismesijebiT

lanZRva daiwyo. daJinebiT

moiTxovda, rom es nika

gvaramiasTvis sityva-sityviT

gadameca. am mimowerisa da ramdenime

voismesijis „mTavari”

arxis eTerSi gasajaroebis Semdeg

xelisufleba iZulebuli

gaxda, daTo xvibliani gamoeCina.

man JurnalistebisTvis gancxadeba

gaakeTa sakuTar saxlTan,

sadac is realurad imyofeboda

im momentisTvis.

amis Semdeg daiwyo legendebisa

da feikniusebis mTeli

seria.

jariskaci hyveba, rom senakidan

zugdidSi xelfasis asaRebad

mivida, bankomatis magier

xelfasis aReba operatorTan

daapira, maSin roca senakSi samxedro

bazis teritoriaze „saqarTvelos

bankis” ori bankomatia

moTavsebuli. xelfasis

versia rom damajerebeli ar

aRmoCnda, „operatiulma deidam”

miTxra, rom xvibliani zugdidSi

ojaxuri konfliqtis

gamo wavida. mogvianebiT, Tavdacvis

saministrom agvixsna,

rom jariskaci distanciur samuSao

reJimze hyavdaT gadayvanili

saxlSi, bolos ki yvela

erTxmad SeTanxmda, rom xviblianma

nika gvaramias unda uCivlos

da samarTlebriv davaSi

mas Tavdacvis saministro

daexmareba.

kvira feikniusebiT gansaku-

TrebiT datvirTuli aRmoCnda.

am droisTvis xelisuflebam

ukve icoda, rom „mTavari” arxis

eTerSi biZina ivaniSvilis

usafrTxoebis samsaxuris yofili

ufrosis, eldar gogolaZis

skandaluri interviu

unda gasuliyo, sofel grigoliSSi

specoperaciac droSi

swored amas daemTxva. Tumca

ufro adre iyo kidev erTi

versia, _ bankis Tavdamsxmelis

vinaoba „saidumlod” gagvandes

da misi saxeli da gvari iyo be-

Jan gvazava, gamsaxurdias droindeli

samxedro kriminaluri

warsuliT da „ocnebis” xelisuflebaSi

mosvlisas Stab-

Si Cadenili Tavdasxmis CaTvliT.

informacias „sxvaTa Soris”

naTqvamad moayoles frazebi,

rom gvazava cocxali, ubralod,

ar Cabardeba. es mesiji ki

imas niSnavda, rom ar iyo gamoricxuli,

gvazava moeklaT.

gvamis eqspertizisTvis Tavs

aravin Seiwuxebda, winasaarCevnod

ki xelisufleba qulebsac

Caiwerda, _ mZevlebic uvneblebi

gadarCnen da Tavdamsxmelic

likvidirebulia.

magram... aq xelisuflebam isev

ver gaiTvaliswina gvaramiakilaZis

faqtori, rom Cven Cveni

wyaroebi gvawvdidnen sxva

informacias da sul sxva pirze.

gvazavas paralelurad, xelisufleba

Tavdamsxmelad

grigol qarCavas gamocxadebas

apirebda, romelic jaridan

2012 wels iyo wasuli da Tavdamsxmelis

saukeTeso kandidatura

iyo „nacionalur moZraobasTan”,

baCo axalaiasTan da

mixeil saakaSvilTan dasakav-

Sireblad, miT ufro, rom erTerT

mZevals, romelsac im

wuTebSi sasikvdilo safrTxe

emuqreboda, saakaSvilTan er-

Tad gadaRebuli fotoebi

ufriales da lamis Tavdasxmis

organizatorad gamoacxades.

magram xelisuflebas aqac iaRliSi

mouvida, _ bolo wuTs

gaarkvia, rom qarCava cixeSi

ijda da sapyrobiles mxolod

erTi kviris mere datovebda.

am da sxva detalebis gasajaroebis

mere Zalovani uwyeba

iZulebuli gaxda eTqva, rom

bankze Tavdamsxmeli identificirebulia

da Tu misi fotoebi

medias xelSi Cauvardeba,

ar gaasajaroon.

Cven moviqeciT zustad ise,

rogorc unda moqceuliyo saxelmwifoebrivad

moazrovne adamiani

da ara skandalebze orientirebuli

Jurnalistebi. vicodiT

identificirebuli Tavdamsxmelis

vinaoba, gvqonda

misi foto, magram bolo momentamde,

sanam specoperacia ar

daiwyo da ar dadasturda informacia,

rom Tavdamsxmeli gaiqca,

faqti ar gagvisajaroebia.

ras uyveba „qronika+~-s

sakuTari wyaro?

bankis Zarcvisa da mZevlebis

nawilis ganTavisuflebis

mere Tavdamsxmeli sofel squris

gadasaxvevTan manqanidan

gadmovida da gaisrola. ratom?

_ wyaro amas ver akonkretebs,

gamTeniisas ki tyeSi samuSaod

mimavalma am soflis

mcxovrebma sofel jgalTan

ori policieli da soflis

gamgebeli merab kvaracxelia

SeniSna, romlebic avtomanqana-

Si fuls iTvlidnen. igive wyaro

meubneboda, rom bankze Tavdamsxmeli

megrelia da mas saqarTvelos

teritoria ar dautovebia,

afxazeTSi misi gadasvlis

sakiTxi ver SeTanxmda.

metic: afxazeTis de faqto xelisuflebam

ganacxada, rom Tu

damnaSave afxazeTis teritoriaze

gamoCndeboda, mas saqar-

Tvelos xelisuflebas gadmoscemdnen.

vinc aris badri esebua?

is 1988 wlis 22 dekembersaa

dabadebuli zugdidis raionis

sofel grigoliSSi, zustad im

adgilas, sadac kvira saRamos

specoperacia tardeboda. igi

samxedro mosamsaxurea. 2020

wlis seqtember-oqtomberSi

jer isev senakis brigadaSi msaxurobda.

amas mowmobs socialur

qselSi SemorCenili misi

fotoebic. fotoebis gasajarovebis

Semdeg Tavdacvis samin-

2 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.


gauxmaurebeli detalebi

istrom mxolod is gviTxra,

rom badri esebua SeiaraRebuli

Zalebis pirad SemadgenlobaSi

aRar iricxeba, Tumca arc

misi miRebisa da arc daTxovnis

damadasturebeli dokumenti

ar gamouqveynebia.

kartografebis saqmeze Catarebuli

„warmatebuli” specoperaciis

mere, romelic irakli

RaribaSvilma sakuTar damsaxurebad

miiwera, Tavdacvis

ministri sakuTari piariT iyo

dakavebuli, eTeridan eTerSi

aqebda biZina ivaniSvils, madlobas

uxdida mas daviTgarejis

dabrunebisTvis, paralelurad,

sapatriarqo da samRvdeloebis

nawili aqebda RaribaSvils

misi eriskacobisTvis

da rogorc kuluarebidan gamoJona

informaciam, irakli RaribaSvili

arCevnebis mere premier-ministris

postze dasabruneblad

emzadeboda, magram,

yvelasTvis moulodnelad, dakavebulma

kartografebma iveri

melaSvilma da natalia ili-

Covam „ocnebis” speqtaklSi monawileobaze

uari ganacxades,

amitom kartografebis saqme

bumerangad daubrunda xelisuflebas.

Tavdacvis ministris

poziciebi zugdidSi saqarTvelos

bankis filialSi momxdari

Tavdasxmis Semdeg kidev ufro

garTulda, premierobaze ocneba

ocnebad darCa. metic: mas

ministris postis datoveba mouwevs,

xelisuflebis Secvlis

SemTxvevaSi ki sisxlis samarTlis

pasuxismgeblobis CaTvliT.

irakli RaribaSvilis ministrobas

rom jari sixaruliT

ar Sexvedria, amis Sesaxeb im-

TaviTve iyo cnobili, magram

is, rasac axla gviyvebian saministroSi

arsebul korufciul

sqemebze, yovelgvar molodins

aWarbebs.

Cveni wyaros informaciiT,

arCevnebamde Tavdacvis ministri

da misi garemocva, ubralod,

fulis keTebas aswrebdnen,

amis dasturad ki konkretuli

magaliTi mohyavT:

Cveni wyaros informaciiT,

arCevnebamde TbilaviamSenis,

igive saaviacio qarxnis garemontebaze

20 milioni lari gamoiyo,

saidanac udidesi nawili

tydeba, TeTrdeba da Tavdacvis

ministris uaxloesi garemocvis

jibeebSi midis. am

maqinaciis Semsruleblebi arian

„deltasa” da „TbilaviamSenis”

direqtori azaraSvili, nika

kiziyuraSvili da maia asine-

TaSvili. Cveni wyaros informaciiT,

swored maTi xeliT TeTrdeba

fuli. igive xdeba sxva

samxedro obieqtebze, aTeulobiT

milioni lari ixarjeba

swraf da usargeblo remontebze,

maSin roca jars sabrZolo

masalis deficiti aqvs. igive

wyaro ambobs, rom arCevnebis

mere saubaria saaviacio

qarxnisa da samxedro sawarmo

„deltas” gayidvaze, romliTac

rusuli kompaniebi arian dainteresebuli.

im droisTvis, roca gazeTi

ukve dasabeWdad mzad iyo, zugdidSi

zaqaraias quCaze specoperacia

daiwyo. Cveni wyaros

informaciiT, badri esebuam

policia naTesavis saxlis misamarTze

daibara, CagbardebiTo

da alyidan aorTqlda. Ss ministris

moadgile vladimer borcvaZem

winaswar dagegmil

brifingze zugdidSi „saqarTvelos

bankis” filialze Tavdamsxmelis

vinaoba oficialurad

daadastura, is namdvilad badri

esebuaa da misi adgilsamyofeli

am dromde isev ucnobia.

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

3


ìvaniSvili yvelafers, rac yaCaRobiT

20-wliani arasaparlamento cx-

giorgi abaSiZe

ovreba sruldeba, anu ufro naT-

lad da gasagebad rom vTqvaT,

ramdenime dRec da leiboristuli partia parlamentSi dabrundeba.

yovel SemTxvevaSi, qveynis pirveli leiboristi ama-

Si Rrmadaa darwmunebuli. metic, Salva naTelaSvili „qroni-

ka+”-isTvis micemul eqskluziur interviuSi ambobs, rom is

procentebi, romelic sxvadasxva reitingiT leiboristebs

aqvT, gayalbebulia. „viciT, 20 welia, am reitingebs vinc wers

da imitom gviyalbeben, rom qarizmatuli lideris eSiniaT”, _

acxadebs Salva naTelaSvili da imasac kidev erTxel ganmar-

tavs, Tu ratom unda gaemijnos „nacionaluri moZraoba” Ss

yofil ministr vano merabiSvils.

erTi sityviT, ratom unda

aekrZaloT sajaro moxeleebs

Svilebis kerZo skolebSi miyva-

na da ra elis biZina ivaniSvils,

Tuki arCevnebSi „ocneba” damarcxdeba?”

_ „qronika+” gTava-

zobT eqskluziur intervius

Salva naTelaSvilTan:

_ batono Salva, saubari mar-

tivad daviwyoT da miTxariT, 31

oqtombrisgan ras elodebiT?

_ 31 oqtombers arsebuli xelisufleba

unda Seicvalos,

deoligarqizacia moxdes da qveyana

politikuri ganviTarebis

axal strategiaze unda gadavides.

sxvaTa Soris, marTvis es

modeli saqarTvelos ar unaxavs.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ saparlamento respublikas,

romelic sruliad axali realobaa!

_ gamoricxavT, rom „ocnebam”

demokratiis yvela principi

daarRvios da xelisuflebaSi

darCena mesame vadiTac gadawyvi-

tos?

_ am SemTxvevaSi, „ocneba” da

ivaniSvili saerTo-saxalxo mSvidobiani

gziT daemxobian!

_ grZnobT, rom xalxs quCaSi

gamosvlis muxti aqvs?

_ diax, xalxi quCaSi gamova da

winaaRmdegobis moZraoba iqneba.

amasTan, saerTSoriso presi im

doneze gaZlierdeba, rom ivaniSvili

yvelafers, rac yaCaRobiT

daagrova, bolo centamde dakargavs!

_ sityvam moitana da koronapandemiis

gamo arCevnebze saer-

TaSoriso damkvirveblebi ar

Camovlen. es Sedegebze ar imo-

qmedebs?

_ 21-e saukuneSi, roca dedamiwis

xelsawyoebi iupiterze

Storms afiqsireben, damkvirvebeli

saWiro araa, anu yvela ubani,

yvela amosunTqva da gancxadeba

isedac kontrolzea. ase rom,

damkvirveblebis formati ukve

moZvelebulicaa. ai, magaliTad,

aSS-is arCevnebze, erTi miTxariT,

romeli damkvirveblebi Cadian?

_ aSS demokratiuli qveyanaa

da nu SevedrebiT!

_ gasagebia, magram or partias

Soris seriozuli jaxi iqacaa.

mokled, damkvirveblebi, rogorc

saarCevno atributi, saWiro

araa, radgan biZina ivaniSvils

saxeli isedac gatexili aqvs da

Cvens gancxadebebsac daijereben!

_ keTili, magram imaSi mainc

dameTanxmeT, rom koronastatistikas

xelisufleba erTg-

vari manipulaciisTvis iyenebs

da, minimum, imas cdilobs, rom

SeSinebuli xalxi arCevnebze ar

mivides.

_ iyenebs ki ara, pirveli tal-

Ra ukve gamoiyena, rodesac masobrivi

testireba ar Caatara da

virusis uamravi matarebeli damala,

Torem maSinac zustad ase

iyo.

_ anu?

_ saerTod, viruss Seuferxebeli

sivrce aqvs da sabaJos, sasazRvrosa

Tu sxva adamianur barierebs

ar emorCileba da mTel

dedamiwaze adamianebis 20%-mde

raodenobam moixada. SeiZleba,

Cvenc moxdili gvaqvs da antisxeulebic

gamomuSavebulia. roca

60%-mde moixdis, virusi dasustdeba

da vaqcinac aRaraa saWiro.

ase rom, viruss veravin gaaCerebs.

weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos,

pirvel talRaze masobrivi testireba

ar Caatares da miiweres,

rom TiTqos viruss gaumklavdnen.

arCevnebis win ki testirebebiT

dinamikis gazrda daiwyes da

axla undaT, saarCevnod es statistika

an dawion da gamarjvebis

droSa daiWiron, ai, meore tal-

Rasac SevebrZoleTo, an arCevnebis

meore dRes sagangebo gamoacxadon

da amiT saxalxo gamosvlebis

perspeqtiva aicilon. ai,

magaT damWknar TavSi es ori

gaTvlaa.

_ SeiZleba, mesame gaTvlac

arsebobdes _ xalxi daizafros,

arCevnebze naklebi aqtivoba

iyos da amis wyalobiT xelisu-

flebam Sedegebi gaayalbos.

_ xalxi isea gabrazebuli, rom

ar daizafreba da saarCevno ubnebisken

mimaval gzaze korona ki

ara, lomveSapic ver gaaCerebs!

ase rom, gayalbeba Zalian

gauZneldebaT!

_ ise, „ocnebam” arCevnebi

romc waagos, opozicias koaliciuri

mTavrobis dakompleqte-

ba xom ar gauWirdeba? bolos da

bolos, yvela partias premier-

obis sakuTari kandidati gyavT

da rogor SeTanxmdebiT?

_ Tu premieri ver gavxdi, eWvi

ar SegeparoT, rom amis gamo arc

Tavs moviklav da arc sxvas

movklav!

_ arc mifiqria, rom Tavs

moiklavT an sxvas moklavT, magram

amixseniT, opozicia saer-

To strategiaze ratom ver Se-

jerda?

_ arCevnebis Sedegebma unda

aCvenos, mosaxleobisgan vis rogori

ndoba aqvs da amis Semdeg

parlamentSi gasuli partiebi

gamaerTianebel personaze unda

SeTanxmdnen. es persona poli-

Salva naTelaSvili:

`xalxi isea

gabrazebuli, rom

saarCevno

ubnebisken mimaval

gzaze korona ki

ara, lomveSapic

ver gaaCerebs!~

tikuri lideri ki ara, SeiZleba,

garedan mowveuli teqnokrati _

kargi ekonomisti iyos.

_ saqarTveloSi aseTi adami-

ani gegulebaT?

_ darwmunebuli var, iqneba.

ubralod, Zebna unda. xom iciT,

naTqvamia, vinc eZebs, poulobso.

_ Tu ise moxdeba, rom opoz-

iciuri speqtridan yvelaze meti

xma da, Sesabamisad, mandati „na-

cionalurma moZraobam” miiRo,

maSin ra moxdeba, premieris

posts dauTmobT?

_ Tu umravlesoba aiRo, ra

Tqma unda, „nacionaluri moZraoba”

gadawyvets, premieri vin iqneba,

magram arsebul modelSi Seu-

Zlebelia, rom umravlesoba

romelime partias hqondes. daviT

aRmaSenebeli rom gacocxldes

da bloki Tamar mefesTan

gaaformos, umravlesobas isic

ver gaiyvans. ase rom, es wre yvelasTvis

Caketilia.

_ sxvaTa Soris, amas winaT

„nacmoZraobas” urCieT, rom

vano merabiSvilTan kavSiri gawyvitos.

am rCeva-mowodebiT ra-

tom gamoxvediT, batono Salva?

_ vano merabiSvili saakaSvilsa

da ivaniSvils Soris istoriuli

mekavSirea da axlac moZraobebs

akeTebs. rogorc Cans, cixeSi

jdomiT Wkua ver iswavla.

_ ra moZraobebs gulisx-

mobT?

_ is oTxi iligarqi, romelic

`weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos, pirvel talRaze

masobrivi testireba ar Caatares da miiweres,

rom TiTqos viruss gaumklavdnen. arCevnebis

win ki testirebebiT dinamikis gazrda daiwyes

da axla undaT, saarCevnod es statistika an

dawion da gamarjvebis droSa daiWiron, ai,

meore talRasac SevebrZoleTo, an arCevnebis

meore dRes sagangebo gamoacxadon da amiT

saxalxo gamosvlebis perspeqtiva aicilon. ai,

magaT damWknar TavSi es ori gaTvlaa~

siaSi Caweres, swored vanos mi-

Treulia. am kandidaturebis sia-

Si Cawera biZinasTan SeTanxmebulia,

Torem aqamde binebs aufeTqebdnen.

biZinas koaliciuri mTavrobisTvis

erTi xmac rom daakldes,

ai, mowinaaRmdege partiidan oTxi

xma ukve aqvs. qarTul politikaSi

vanos roli sul esaa.

_ ar SegeZloT, saakaSvils,

rogorc ityvian, tet-a-tet

dalaparakebdiT da merabiSvi-

lis am gegmis Sesaxeb saqmis

kursSi CageyenebinaT?

_ amas ver warmovidgendi. Tu

finansebi sWirdeba, partiam sia-

Si SeiZleba erTi, ha-ha, ori sponsori

Caweros _ aseTi praqtika

arsebobs, magram am siaSi garedan

sxva viRacebic arian.

_ kerZod?

_ praqtikulad, biZinas biznesmenebi

_ „ocnebas” Cumad ki ara,

sajard rom afinansebdnen. erTi

SexedviT, es partiis saqmea da

ver Caerevi, magram, meore mxriv,

partiis saqmec aRaraa, radgan es

saerTo mizans, anu yvelas dagvazianebs.

_ ratom?

_ Tu qarTuli politikis

deoligarqizacia gvinda, amas

oligarqebiT ver gavakeTebT!

nebismieri oligarqi oligarqi

da mamonis monaa!

_ anu am adamianebis siaSi Cawera

opoziciis winaaRmdeg gada-

dgmuli nabijia?

_ yovel SemTxvevaSi, pasuxismgebliani

nabiji araa. xom unda

gaTvalo, reitingebs, gansakuTrebiT,

Cemsas, restornidan rom

adgen?! es ar SeiZleba da dauSvebelia!

am erTianobas, TanamSromlobas

wvalebiT mivaRwieT da

momavali mTavrobis konturebi

ikveTeba, magram Tu viRacas unda,

rom mis gareSe qveyana daiqces,

araferi ganviTardes da Seiqmnas,

marto is Camovides, TeTr cxenze

Sejdes da pirdapir kabinetSi

ase Sevides, aseTi raRac ar moxdeba!

es 2003-Si moxda, magram

aRar ganmeordeba!

4 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.


daagrova, bolo centamde dakargavs!~

_ e. i., im reitingebSi, rom-

lebic dRemde gasajarovda,

Tqveni monacemebi gayalbebu-

lia?

_ Tqven, ra, sxvanairad

fiqrobT?

_ ra mniSvneloba aqvs, me

rogor vfiqrob. ubralod,

Tqveni azri mainteresebs.

_ aba, ra aris, xalxo! es xom

anekdotia! xom viciT, es reitingebi

20 welia, visi xeliTac iwereba.

_ im dros, roca TanamSrom-

lobT, romelime opoziciur

flangs Tqveni reitingis gayal-

beba raSi unda awyobdes?

_ qarizmatuli lideris

Zalian eSiniaT!

_ SeiZleba, adre eSinodaT,

magram axla igive saakaSvilTan

urTierToba xom dalagebuli

gaqvT?

_ droebiTi interesia, rom

ivaniSvili movaciloT, Torem

Cveni winaaRmdegobebi, ra Tqma

unda, ZalaSi darCa!

_ Tqveni monacemebiT, lei-

boristebis realuri reitingi

rogoria?

_ saakaSvili da „mTavari arxi”

rom micxadebs, erTi, ori da sami

namdvilad araa.

_ hoda, ramdenia?

_ 40-ic araa, magram orsa da

samzec metia. amitom namusi unda

iqonion.

_ kargi, kiTxvas svanairad

davsvam: meaTe mowvevis parla-

mentSi leiboristuli partia,

maqsimum, ramdeni deputatiT

iqneba warmodgenili?

_ amis Tqma Znelia... yovel SemTxvevaSi,

imden mandats vvaraudobT,

rom uCvenod koaliciuri

mTavroba ver Seiqmnas, anu sakontrolo

paketi Cven unda gveWiros,

rom oligarqebma saqarTvelo

axal parlamentSic ar waiRon!

_ batono Salva, gamoricxavT,

rom romelime opoziciuri partia

garigebaze wavides da „oc-

nebas” saparlamento koalicia

Seuqmnas, raTa ivaniSvilis gun-

dma mTavrobis dakompleqteba

SeZlos?

_ gamoricxva, ra Tqma unda,

arafris SeiZleba, Tumca dRevandeli

viTarebidan gamomdinare,

politikur micvalebulTan garigebaze

aravin unda wavides, Tu

TviTonac politikuri micvalebuloba

ar unda! me ase vfiqrob

da darwmunebuli var, asec iqneba.

sxvaTa Soris, am dReebSi oficialur

valdebulebas aviRebT,

rom „ocnebas” koalicias ar SevuqmniT!

_ imis valdebulebasac xom

ar aiRebT, rom koalicias arc

„nacmoZraobas” SeuqmniT?

_ „nacionaluri moZraoba”

isec koaliciis wevri iqneba.

_ ra amis pasuxia da, sazogadoebisTvis

erTgvari moulod-

neloba iyo, rom Tqvens vaJs,

rogorc maJoritarobis kandi-

dats, „evropulma saqarTvelom”

mxari dauWira. erTmaneTTan mis-

asvleli gzebi rogor moZebneT?

_ (gulianad icinis) beqas sxva

partiebic uWeren mxars.

_ SeiZleba, magram beqa mcxe-

Ta-mTianeTis

maJoritarad

pirdapir daviT baqraZem warad-

gina...

_ Zalian didi madlobeli var,

rom zogierTiviT konkurentad

oligarqis kandidatura ar daayenes

da beqas dauWires mxari. nepotisturad

ki ar vambob, aramed

momavali am Taobisaa da yvelam

unda dauWiros mxari.

_ geTanxmebiT, rom momavali

axali Taobisaa, magram saakaSvi-

lis msgavsad, bokeriasTanac

yovelTvis politikuri diskom-

forti gqondaT da axla rogor

„dalagdiT”?

_ diskomforti „nacmoZraobasTan”

rom mqonda, iseTi sad

yofila, magram axla is moxda,

rom erTmaneTTan brZolis dro

araa. Tu gvinda, rom biZina ivaniSvili

davamarcxoT, unda viTanamSromloT.

sxva SemTxvevaSi putini

da ivaniSvili mravali aTeuli

weli aq mmarTvelebad darCebian!

Cven ki erTmaneTs davWamT,

amiT guls movifxanT da Sedegi

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

`parlamentTan Sekrebil axalgazrdebs Tvalebs Txrian, bankSi Sevardnil

mZarcvelebs ki `paCotiT~ acileben da erT `drons~ ar ayoleben, rom

gaigon, es fuli sad waiRo. es xom saxelmwifo ar aris?!~

araferi iqneba!

_ batono Salva, saubris Temas

Sevcvli da saarCevno pro-

gramaze gkiTxavT, anu acxadebT,

rom Tu xelisflebaSi moxvediT,

sajaro moxeleebs aukrZalavT,

Svilebi kerZo skolebSi ataron.

komunizms ar vaSenebeT da saja-

ro moxeleebis Svilebs kerZo

skolaSi siaruli ra motiviT

unda aukrZaloT?

_ aSS-is prezidentebis biografias

gadaxedeT _ yvela maTganis

Svili swored sajaro skolebSi

dadioda.

_ ki batono, magram es nebay-

oflobiTi gadawyvetileba iyo.

_ Tanamdebobis piris Svili

xalxTan erTad unda izrdebodes

da ara _ gamoketil pansionatSi

fufunebiT. ai, aseT drosaa politikosi

xalxis msaxuri. ra, ar

SemeZlo, rom Cemi Svilebi kerZo

skolaSi mimeyvana?

_ SegeZloT?

_ ra problema iyo, magram Cveulebrivi

sajaro skola daamTavres,

rac Zalian kargia _ xalxi

ìs oTxi iligarqi, romelic siaSi Caweres,

swored vanos miTreulia. am kandidaturebis

siaSi Cawera biZinasTan SeTanxmebulia, Torem

aqamde binebs aufeTqebdnen. biZinas koaliciuri

mTavrobisTvis erTi xmac rom daakldes, ai,

mowinaaRmdege partiidan oTxi xma ukve aqvs.

qarTul politikaSi vanos roli sul esaa~

uyvarT. mokled, Tu Tanamdebobis

piri Svils kerZo skolaSi Seiyvans,

es misi ufleba iqneba, Tumca

Tanamdebobaze veRar darCeba!

_ sxvaTa Soris, imasac gvpi-

rdebiT, rom Tu xelisuflebaSi

moxvalT, skolebSi moswavleebs

ufaso kveba eqnebaT.

_ diax, aucileblad ase iqneba,

radgan ver davuSvebT, rom

mozard Taobas an inteleqtualuri

sakvebi akldes an _ fizikuri,

rac TiToeuli maTganis

zrdisa da ganviTarebis garantiaa.

amitom keTils inebebs Cveni

maRalxelfasiani elita, yvelafer

amas moiklebs da bavSvebs

dReSi erTxel ufaso kveba eqnebaT.

sxvaTa Soris, asakSi sakvebi

mavnebelia. amitom am gaqsuebulma

Ripianebma moiklon da ulufa

bavSvebs gadascen!

_ esec, raRacnairad, sabWoTa

iniciativaa. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

maxsovs, skolaSi talonebs

gvirigebdnen. e. w. saskolo tal-

onebi Tqveni mowafeobisasac

iqneboda, ara?

_ ara, Cems dros talonebi ar iyo,

Tumca saaxalwlod da aseT dReebSi

gemriel kanfetebs gvaZlevdnen. es

komunisturi modeli araa.

_ aba, rogori modelia?

_ kapitalisturi. ai, magali-

Tad, gaxurebuli omis dros es

modeli fineTSi SemoiRes da

mere mTel evropaSi gavrcelda.

sxvaTa Soris, aSS-Sicaa, Tumca iq

bavSvebs baraTi aqvT da sakvebs

am baraTiT iReben. zogis baraTi

ufasoa, SeZlebuli ojaxis Svilebis

ki _ fasiani, magram aravin

icis, vin ufaso baraTiT sargeblos

da vin _ fasianiT, radgan

bavSvebSi socialuri uTanasworobis

sindromi ar gaCndes.

_ erTi sityviT, batono Sal-

va, varaudobT, rom 20-wliani

taim-autis Semdeg „leiboris-

tuli partia” sakanonmdeblo

organoSi dabrundeba, ara?

_ eWvi geparebaT, rom 20-

wliani gandevnis Semdeg saparlamento

partia vxdebiT?

_ ara, eWvi ar mepareba, magram

parlamentSi dabrunebis Semdeg

pirvelad ras gaakeTebT?

_ bavSvebis ufaso kveba skolebSi!

_ ai, magaliTad, qveyanaSi mZime

kriminogenuri viTarebis ga-

mosasworeblad ra nabijebs

gadadgamT?

_ koaliciuri mTavroba yvela

struqturas ise mixedavs, rogorc

saxelmwifos ekadreba da

ara _ ise, rogorc axla xdeba.

_ axla rogor xdeba?

_ parlamentTan Sekrebil axalgazrdebs

Tvalebs Txrian,

bankSi Sevardnil mZarcvelebs ki

„paCotiT” acileben da erT

„drons” ar ayoleben, rom gaigon,

es fuli sad waiRo. es xom saxelmwifo

ar aris?!

_ sxvaTa Soris, Sss-m 25 oq-

tombers ganacxada, rom bankze

Tavdamsxmeli identificirebu-

li da dadgenilia...

_ axla kargi droa... aqamde

grelandiaSi Cavidoda!

_ ise, batono Salva, rogorc

iurists, xom ar ggoniaT, rom

zugdidSi bankis warcvas erTg-

varad politikuri sarCuli

hqonda?

_ araviTari politikuri sar-

Culi. amis mizezi qveyanaSi arsebuli

socialur-ekonomikuri

katastrofaa. mosaxleoba ga-

Ratakebuli, depresiaSia Cavardnili

da zogi kriminalis gzaze

dadga!

_ hoda, is, rac zugdidSi mox-

da, iqneb, ise unda ganvixiloT,

rogorc „ocnebaze” SurisZieba?

_ ara, ara... ubralod, arCevnebis

win yvela problema feTqdeba.

_ im SemTxvevaSi, Tu „ocneba”

arCevnebs waagebs, Tqveni Sefase-

biT, ivaniSvils ra elis?

_ pasuxi unda agos da moparuli

moitanos! saerTod, Zalian

bevri moipara _ aqedan warmoudgeneli

raodenobis simdidre

gazida.

_ sxvaTa Soris, „vardebis revoluciis”

Semdeg xelisufleba-

Si mosulma „nacmoZraobam” SevardnaZes

xelSeuxeblobis garantia

misca. axlac igive sce-

nari xom ar gaTamaSdeba?

_ ara, ra sisulelea! amis

winaaRmdegi yovelTvis viqnebi.

SevardnaZe politikuri figura

iyo da sxva borotmoqmedebebi

epatia, magram es pirdapir kriminaluri

figuraa.

_ ar dagaviwydeT, rom es ad-

amiani partiis Tavmjdomarea.

_ partia SeiZleba, bavSvebis

mkvlelmac daaregistriros, magram

es arafers niSnavs.

_ e. i., „evropuli saqarTvelos”

inciativas, rom xelisu-

flebis Secvlis Semdeg yofili

maRalCinosnebi ar unda gasa-

marTldnen, ar iziarebT?

_ „evropuli saqarTvelo” liberaluri

mimdinareobis partiaa

da mis ideologiaSi es jdeba, magram

mjera, rom Cven msgavsad,

saxelmwifoebriv sakiTxebs meti

pasuxismgeblobiT miudgeba.

_ bolos, batono Salva,

arCevnebamde ramdenime dRiT

adre xalxTan saTqmeli ra

gaqvT?

_ mogveciT xma, momavali Tqvenia!

_ warmatebebs gisurvebT!

5


`gadamgdebi xelisufleba

parlamentis yofili Tavmj-

Sorena marsagiSvili

domare, nino burjanaZe, didi

599 92 16 22

xania, rac politikaSia. mis Tval-

win uamravma movlenam Caiara, maT

Soris, teroristulma aqtebma. axsovs bankebis dayaCaRebebic

da mZevlebis ayvanac. is ver ixsenebs SemTxvevas, roca saxelm-

wifo iseTi uZluri iyo, rogorc gasul kviras, _ erTma SeiaraRebulma

mZarcvelma mTeli saxelmwifo CamoSala. nino bur-

janaZes arc is axsendeba, rom saqarTveloSi xelisuflebebs

mZevlebi Tavisianebad da sxvisianebad daeyo. „qarTulma oc-

nebam” am mxrivac gamoiCina Tavi. biZina ivaniSvili Tavisianad

arasdros miiCnevda nino burjanaZes, miuxedavad imisa, rom

politikaSi mosvla im aqciis Semdeg gadawyvita, romelic bur-

janaZem da misma Tanamoazreebma gamarTes. dRes arc „ocnebas”

da arc ivaniSvils 26 maisis sisxliani darbeva aRar axsovT.

ratom aris biZina ivaniSvil-

isTvis miuRebeli figura? ratom

ar surs irakli kobaxiZeze

saubari? ratom Tqva 2008 wels

parlamentis

garantirebul

Tavmjdomareobaze uari? Tanam-

Sromlobs Tu ara „nacionalebT-

an”? ra dagvanaxa gasul kviras

zugdidSi bankis Zarcvam? _ amis

Sesaxeb „erTiani saqarTvelo _

demokratiuli

moZraobis”

lideri nino burjanaZe „qroni-

ka+”-s esaubreba:

_ qalbatono nino, dRes qvey-

anaSi mTavari salaparako Tema

zugdidSi bankis dayaCaRebaa,

romlis drosac erTma mZarcvel-

ma lamis saxelmwifo CamoSala.

aseTi ususuri xelisufleba jer

aravis unaxavs. Tavad xelisu-

fleba am operacias warmatebuls

uwodebs. Tqven ras gvetyviT amis

Sesaxeb?

_ Zalian mniSvnelovania, rom es

ambavi usisxlod da msxverplis

gareSe dasrulda. es kargia da

amaze aravin daobs, magram saxelmwifo

saxelmwifoa da rodesac is

Tavis funqcias srulyofilad

ver asrulebs, es Zalian SemaSfoTebelia.

is faqti, rom mZarcvelma

aiRo fuli da Tavad gaaTavisufla

mZevlebi, imaze miuTiTebs,

rom Cven saxelmwifo ar

gvyavs. roca am intervius vwerT,

bankis Zarcvidan ramdenime dRea

gasuli da mZarcvelis Sesaxeb

aranairi informacia ar gagvaCnia.

am SemTxvevam TvalsaCino gaxada

saxelmwifos ususuroba da verc

operacias vuwodeb warmatebuls,

miT umetes, aranairi specoperacia

ar Catarebula _ ubralod,

SeiaraRebulma adamianma fuli

moiTxova da misces. am SemTxvevam

kidev erTxel dagvarwmuna, Tu ra

mZime dReSia Cveni saxelmwifo.

qveyanaSi sruli ganukiTxaobaa.

_ xelisufleba sulac ar

fiqrobs ase. Tavidan undodaT,

es Zarcva opoziciisTvis, kerZod

ki „nacionaluri moZraobisTvis”

daebralebinaT mxolod imitom,

rom mZevalTa Soris am partiis

mxardamWeri aRmoCnda.

_ yvelam icis Cemi damokidebuleba

„nacionaluri moZraobis”

mimarT da Zalian bevr rameze SemiZlia

maT pretenzia wavuyeno, magram

is, rac xelisuflebam ikadra,

sruliad warmoudgeneli

iyo. Tu rame odnavi bma mainc

arsebobs am Zarcvasa da „nacionalur

moZraobas” Soris, xelisuflebam

gadakrulad ki ar unda

isaubros, pirdapir Tqvas amis

Sesaxeb. Tu amis damamtkicebeli

sabuTebi ar gaaCniaT, maSin ra

uflebiT arRveven udanaSaulobis

prezumfcias da ra uflebiT

abralebs, praqtikulad, teroristul

aqts politikur organizacias,

romelic arCevnebSia CarTuli?!

es aris ukanono meTodebi da

brZola wesebis gareSe. gasul kviras

davinaxeT xelisuflebis namdvili

saxe _ maT mZevlad ayvanili

adamianebi politikuri niSniT

dayves. „qarTuli ocneba” qveynis

moqalaqeebs ganixilavs Tavis momxreebad

da yvela danarCenad. am

danarCenis bedi xelisuflebas ar

adardebs. „qarTul ocnebas” aseve

ori samarTali aqvs, erTi maTi

momxreebisTvisaa da meore _ danarCenisTvis.

xelisuflebas, romelic

saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs

Tavisianebad da sxvisianebad

yofs, xelisuflebas, romelsac

miaCnia, rom mxolod imaTze unda

izrunos, vinc arCevnebze 41 nomers

Semoxazavs, qveynis saTaveSi

darCenis moraluri ufleba ar

aqvs. isini Tavisi nebiT, ra Tqma

unda, ar wavlen. „qarTuli ocneba”

xalxma unda gauSvas.

_ rogor ggoniaT, gauSvebs

xalxi im xelisuflebas, romelic,

rogorc Tqven ambobT, adamianebs

Tavisianebad da sxvisiane-

bad yofs? Cvens sazogadoebas

cota ucnauri gadawyvetilebeb-

is miReba uyvars.

_ Cveni sazogadoeba Zalian

bevrs iTmens, magram darwmunebuli

var, xelisuflebas sakadriss

pasuxs gascems. mosaxleobis did

nawils Zalian uWirs. „qarTuli

ocneba” xalxis siduxWiriT usindisod

sargeblobs da yidulobs

maT xmebs. erTi mxriv, Cven adamianebs

veubnebiT, rom ar SeiZleba,

maT sakuTari Svilebis momavali

50 larad gayidon, magram, meore

mxriv, cduneba didia, roca adamiani

mSieria da wamlis yidvis sa-

Sualebac ar gaaCnia. saqarTvelos

mosaxleobam, visac fuls sTavazobs

xelisufleba, unda aiRos

Tanxa, magram xma misces imas, visac

saWirod miiCnevs.

_ fuli aiRon da xelisufle-

ba gadaagdon?

_ es ar aris gadagdeba, miuxedavad

imisa, rom „qarTuli ocneba”

gadamgdebi xelisuflebaa da

is imsaxurebs gadagdebas. Tanxa,

romelsac xalxs sTavazoben, aris

biujetis Tanxa, is Tanxaa, romelic

Cven amogviRes jibidan da axla

am fuliT apireben xmebis yidvas.

winasaarCevno periodSi TiTqmis

mTeli saqarTvelo moviare da

Zalian bevr adamians Sevxvdi. Sem-

nino burjanaZe:

àrCevnebi

minimaluri

standartebis

dacviT Tu Catarda,

opozicia igebs~

iZlia giTxraT, rom „qarTuli

ocnebis” momxre, ubralod, ar

Semxvedria. sajaro seqtorSi

dasaqmebulTa ojaxis wevrebic ki

ar arian bolomde xelisuflebis

momxreebi. isini Zalian kargad xedaven,

ra viTarebaa dRes qveyana-

Si. aqedan gamomdinare, SemiZlia

giTxraT, rom minimaluri standartebiT

Catarebuli arCevnebic

ki mogvcems imis SesaZleblobas,

rom umravlesoba aiRos opoziciam

da ara _ „qarTulma ocnebam”.

_ Tqveni azriT, Catardeba es

arCevnebi minimaluri standart-

ebis dacviT? gasul kviras gavi-

geT, rom evrokavSiri sadamkv-

irveblo misias ver gamoagzavnis.

_ marTalia, evrokavSiris misia

ver Camodis, magram, sabednierod,

saqarTveloSi arian ucxoeli

damkvirveblebi. Cvens yvela Sexvedras

eswrebodnen euTo-odiris

damkvirveblebi. saqarTveloSi

akreditebulma elCebma bevri gaakeTes

imisTvis, rom maTi qveynebidan

Camosuliyo garkveuli

raodenobis damkvirvebeli. am

procesSi Tavad saelCoebis TanamSromlebic

CaerTvebian. opoziciurma

partiebma SevqmeniT xmebis

dacvis Stabi, rac Zalian mniSvnelovania.

koordinebulad vimoqmedebT

da vimuSavebT imisTvis,

rom erTmaneTis xmebi maqsimalurad

davicvaT. yvela darRvevis

Sesaxeb mivawvdiT informacias

saerTaSoriso damkvirveblebs.

Cems kolega opozicionerebTan

erTad movamzadeT werilebi,

romlebic saelCoebSi gavagzavneT.

aq detalurad weria, Tu

rogor apirebs xelisufleba

arCevnebis gayalbebas da ras unda

miaqcion damkvirveblebma yuradReba.

am informaciis miwodebis

survili Tavad damkvirveblebma

gamoTqves.

Zalian mniSvnelovania isic,

rom Cvenma mosaxleobamac daicvas

Tavisi xmebi. ar unda ayves panikas

da aucileblad mivides

arCevnebze. arCevnebze dabali aqtivoba

„qarTul ocnebas” awyobs.

`Tu rame odnavi bma mainc arsebobs am Zarcvasa

da `nacionalur moZraobas~ Soris,

xelisuflebam gadakrulad ki ar unda

isaubros, pirdapir Tqvas amis Sesaxeb. Tu amis

damamtkicebeli sabuTebi ar gaaCniaT, maSin ra

uflebiT arRveven udanaSaulobis prezumpfcias

da ra uflebiT abralebs, praqtikulad,

teroristul aqts politikur organizacias,

romelic arCevnebSia CarTuli?! es aris

ukanono meTodebi da brZola wesebis gareSe~

kovidi mniSvnelovani gamowvevaa,

magram arCevnebze wasvla umniSvnelovanesia.

usafrTxoebis wesebis

dacvis SemTxvevaSi kovidisgan

Tavis dacva Zalian martivia. veranairad

gamova ise, rom adamianma

garesamyarosTan mTlianad gawyvitos

kavSiri. am xalxma arCevnebic

iseT movaleobad unda miiCnios,

rogorc maRaziaSi Casvla da bavSvisTvis

saWmlis amotana.

_ saarCevnod Zalian aqtualuria

kvlevebi. bevr politi-

koss kvlevis Sedegebze mwvave

reaqcia aqvs. Tqveni partiis war-

momadgenlebi amboben, rom maT-

Tvis es sakiTxi umniSvneloa.

Tqvenc ase uyurebT kvlevis

Sedegebs?

_ ra Tqma unda. me Zalian kargad

vici, Tu vin da rogor

atarebs am kvlevebs. SeuiaraRebeli

TvaliTac ki Cans, Tu romeli

kvleva romeli partiis interesebs

gamoxatavs. Cveni partia

ivaniSvilis xelisuflebaSi mosvlamde

fizikuri wnexis qveS iyo.

2012 wels es fizikuri wnexi moixsna,

magram axla Cveni partia moraluri

da finansuri wnexis qveSaa.

Cvens momxreebs martivad eubnebodnen

dRevandeli xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebi, _ muSaobis

dawyeba Tu ginda, burjanaZis

partiidan wamodi. ase rom Cveni

momxreebi araviTar SemTxvevaSi

ar amboben, Tu romel partias uWeren

mxars. me Tavad veubnebi, rom

ar Tqvan amis Sesaxeb. 2016 wels

xelisuflebas Cveni momxreebis

sia hqonda. maTTan midiodnen da

eubnebodnen, _ Tu burjanaZis mxardamWeri

xar da sxvisTvis xmis

micemas ar apireb, ise mainc gaakeTe,

rom arCevnebze saerTod ar

waxvideo.

_ ratom iyo aseTi moTxovna?

dRes rom „qarTuli ocneba” xe-

lisuflebaSia, es xom 2011 wlis

26 maisis damsaxurebaa. ivaniSvil-

ma Tqva, rom am sisxliani Ramis

Semdeg gadawyvita politikaSi

mosvla. es aqcia Tqvenma partiam

da saxalxo krebam moawyo. „qarT-

uli ocnebis” liderisTvis aSk-

arad ad miuRebeli figura xarT da

ra aris amis mizezi?

_ biZina ivaniSvili da „qarTuli

ocneba” arasdros amboben, rom

Cveni partiis aqtiurobis Sedegad

movidnen xelisuflebaSi. esec

6 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.


arCevnebze unda gadavagdoT~

rom ar iyos, „ocnebis” liderisTvis

burjanaZe, rogorc figura,

miuRebelia. misTvis miuRebelia

nebismieri damoukidebeli adamiani.

misTvis miuRebelia aseve ise-

Ti adamiani, romelsac masze kargad

icnoben diplomatiuri korpusis

warmomadgenlebi da ucxoeli

politikosebi. Zalian ar minda,

misi ojaxis wevrebs Sevexo,

magram erT-erT interviuSi misi

Svili ambobs, rom biZinas ise elaparakebian,

rogorc Sua saukuneebis

did mefeebs. araviTar SemTxvevaSi

ar vapireb ivaniSvils ise

vesaubro, rogorc qveSevrdomi

elaparakeba mefes. aqedan gamomdinare

aris misTvis burjanaZe miuRebeli.

_ amasTan erTad, Tqven prin-

cipulic xarT: 2008 wlis

arCevnebis win, principebis gamo,

uari TqviT saarCevno siis prvel

nomrobaze da momavali parlamentis

spikerobaze. maSin iTqva,

rom siaSi Tqveni gundis Cas-

mis ufleba ar mogces da amitom

waxvediT.

_ „nacionalebma” maSin aseTi

piari aagores: nino burjanaZe imitom

ki ar wavida, rom raRacebi

ar moswonda, aramed imitom, rom

misi xalxi ar Caweres saarCevno

siaSio.

_ wasvlis erT-erTi mizezi

xom esec iyo?

_ ra Tqma unda. „nacionalebs”

egonaT, rom maT mier agorebuli

piari Cemze cudad imoqmedebda.

maxsovs, maSin Jurnalistebi niSnis

mogebiT meubnebodnen, _ Tqven

imitom waxvediT, rom siaSi Tqveni

xalxi ar Cawereso. mimaCnia, rom

Zalian swori gavakeTe, es gadawyvetileba

rom miviRe. mxolod

mandatze ar miTqvams uari, me parlamentis

garantirebul Tavmjdomareobazec

vTqvi uari. uari

vTqvi, imitom rom ar mindoda,

mxolod parlamentis sxdomebis

wamyvani vyofiliyavi.

_ 2004-2008 wlebSi gyavdaT

parlamentSi Tqveni gundi? maSi-

nac xom parlamentis spikeri

iyaviT?

_ 2004-2008 wlebis mowvevis

parlamentSi Cemi avtoriteti jer

kidev maZlevda imis SesaZleblobas,

rom saakaSvilisa da „nacionalebis”

gadawyvetilebebze zegavlena

momexdina.

_ mere ra moxda? rogor

daikarga es gavlena?

_ me kargad vxedavdi, rom dro-

Ta ganmavlobaSi isini momagrdnen

da Cemi sityva sul ufro naklebi

wonis matarebeli iqneboda, Tuki

me parlamentSi ar meyoleboda

sakuTari gundi. amis gamo vTqvi

uari qveyanaSi meore piris Tanamdebobaze

da wavedi opoziciaSi. es

im dros gavakeTe, roca qveyanaSi

avtokratiuli mmarTveloba iyo.

_ opoziciaSi Tqvenma gadasvlam

Tqvens meuRlesac daakargv-

ina Tanamdeboba. badri biwaZe

sasazRvro policiis ufrosi gax-

ldaT.

_ ase iyo. dRemde mimaCnia, rom

maSin Zalian swori da principuli

gadawyvetileba miviRe. 31 oqtombers

ukve mosaxleobam unda

miiRos principuli gadawyvetileba.

„qarTuli ocnebis” warmomadgenlebi

midian Cvens momxreebTan

da eubnebian, nino burjanaZe mainc

ver mova xelisuflebaSi da mis-

Tvis xmis micemas ra azri aqvs,

amitom arCevnebis dRes saxlSi

dasxediTo. „qarTuli ocnebisa”

da Cveni momxreebis gasagonad

unda vTqva, rom Cven aucileblad

movalT xelisuflebaSi, oRond

ara erTpirovnulad. Cven xelisuflebaSi

koaliciur mTavrobasTan

erTad movalT, romelsac

mravalpartiuli parlamenti daakompleqtebs.

aseT dros didi

mniSvneloba aqvs TiToeul xmas.

udidesi mniSvneloba aqvs imasac,

Tu ramdeni kaci meyoleba parlamentSi.

ramdenime kacs Cveni partia

uproblemod gaiyvans sakanonmdeblo

organoSi, magram Cven

gvWirdeba ufro meti.

_ risTvis gWirdebaT es ufro

meti adamiani parlamentSi?

_ Tundac im mniSvnelovani

programis gansaxorcieleblad,

romelic araerTxel warvadgineT.

eqspertebma Cveni programa erTerT

saukeTesod aRiares. es pro-

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

`marTalia, evrokavSiris misia ver Camodis, magram, sabednierod,

saqarTveloSi arian ucxoeli damkvirveblebi. Cvens yvela Sexvedras

eswrebodnen euTo-odiris damkvirveblebi. saqarTveloSi akreditebulma

elCebma bevri gaakeTes imisTvis, rom maTi qveynebidan Camosuliyo

garkveuli raodenobis damkvirvebeli. am procesSi Tavad saelCoebis

TanamSromlebic CaerTvebian~

grama rom ganvaxorcieloT, parlamentSi

seriozuli Zala gvWirdeba.

_ Tqveni partiis mimarT „oc-

nebas” uamravi pretenzia aqvs.

erT-erT maTgans sazogadoebis

nawilic iziarebs. amboben, rogor

dajda burjanaZe „nacionalebTan”,

romelmac mas da mis mo-

mxreebs 26 maisi mouwyoo. ar

gagiWirdaT maTTan erTad daj-

doma?

_ me Zalian mkafiod vTqvi, rom

Cveni TanamSromloba vano merabiSvilTan

gamoricxulia. isic

naTlad vTqvi, rom Tu merabiSvili

iqneboda maJoritarobis kandidati,

nika meliasgan gansxvavebiT,

mas arasdros davuWerdiT

mxars. nika melia marTalia, „nacionalebis”

wevria, magram mas

aqvs Cveni mxardaWera.

_ ratom aqvs nika melias Tqve-

ni partiis mxardaWera?

_ ubralod, usamarTlobaa,

nika melias wauyeno pretenziebi

„nacionalebis” gafuWebul saqmeebze.

Zalian kargad vici, rom 2007

`me Zalian mkafiod vTqvi, rom Cveni

TanamSromloba vano merabiSvilTan

gamoricxulia. isic naTlad vTqvi, rom Tu

merabiSvili iqneboda maJoritarobis

kandidati, nika meliasgan gansxvavebiT, mas

arasdros davuWerdiT mxars. nika melia

marTalia, `nacionalebis~ wevria, magram mas

aqvs Cveni mxardaWera~

wlis 7 noembers nika melia saprotesto

aqciaSi monawileobda da

„naconalebis” sapirispiro mxares

idga.

_ Tqven maSin „nacionalebis”

mxares iyaviT. magram darbevis

dros Tqveni brZanebiT gaaRes

parlamentis ezos kari, sadac

bevrma adamianma Seafara Tavi.

_ amas, ratomRac, ar ixseneben.

mimaCnia, rom maSin swori gadawyvetileba

miviRe. viRacebi cdiloben,

rom 7 noemberi Cems Sav

laqad warmoaCinon, rac namdvilad

usamarTlobaa.

_ aba, ras gerCiT „ocneba”,

romlis didi nawili 7 noembris

darbevas taSs ukravda? gan-

sakuTrebiT irakli kobaxiZis

agresiaa auxsneli. misi mSoblebi

Tqvens partiaSi iyvnen wlebis

manZilze.

_ irakli kobaxiZis Sesaxeb imis

Tqma SemiZlia, rom is, pirvel rig-

Si, sakuTar Tavs erCis. mas veravin

dauSavebda imdens, rac am adamianma

sakuTar Tavs dauSava. is

udavod niWieri axalgazrdaa,

iurisprudencia kargad icis. mas

SeeZlo saqarTvelos istoriaSi

Zalian pozitiuri da kargi roli

eTamaSa. amis magivrad man Zalian

cudi kvali datova, me es mwyins.

_ ratom gwyinT?

_ is sxvanairi maxsovs. Zalian

wesieri, moridebuli da kargad

aRzrdili axalgazrda iyo. is Cveni

partiis ofisSi xSirad modioda.

misi mama, batoni gia kobaxiZe,

Cveni partiis generaluri mdivani

iyo. gias meuRle da iraklis deda

Cveni partiis politsabWos wevri

gaxldaT. rodesac irakli kobaxiZe

gamodis da ambobs, rom Turme

burjanaZes raRac cudi saqmeebi

ukeTebia, es misi mxridan uxerxulad

JRers. sxva Tu araferi, misi

mSoblebi Cveni partiis Zalian aqtiuri

wevrebi iyvnen.

irakli kobaxiZeze bevri saubari

ar minda, magram gverds ver

avuvli im Seuracxyofas, rac man

Jurnalistebs miayena. „mTavari”

da „pirveli arxi” „glavni” da

„pervi kanalebad” moixsenia. biZina

ivaniSvilis partiisgan qarTuli

arxebis rusul enaze moxsenieba

Zalian uxerxulia. sxva Tu

araferi, „qarTuli ocnebis” liderma

iSova 5 miliardi dolari

ruseTSi. Cven Zalian kargad viciT,

rogor keTdeba ruseTSi fuli.

viciT isic, Tu rogor keTdeboda

am qveyanaSi gasuli saukunis

90-ian wlebSi fuli. isic viciT,

rogor gamodis mere am naSovni

fulidan aseulobiT milioni

ruseTidan. Tu ameebs ar gagvaxseneben,

maTTvisve iqneba ukeTesi.

rac metad axsenebs kobaxiZe „pervi

kanals” da „glavni kanals”,

amiT verc ki xvdeba, rom, pirvel

rigSi, biZina ivaniSvils urtyams.

ruseTTan mimarTebiT gamoyenebuli

nebismieri araswori isari

ivaniSvilisken wava. ruseTTan mimarTebiT

swori politika „qar-

Tulma ocnebam” ver dagvanaxa,

magram is namdvilad gvaCvena, Tu

rogor unda gadmoitano ruseTis

90-iani wlebi saqarTveloSi.

_ mas Semdeg, rac opozicia

dialogis magidas miujda, Tqven

ruseTume politikosis iarliyi

mogSordaT. yvelas gaukvirda,

roca Tqven „mTavar” arxze

TqviT, ruseTi okupantia da mas

Cemi qveynis teritoriebi aqvs ok-

upirebulio.

_ me amas adrec vambobdi, magram

mainc ruseTumed mTvlidnen.

es imis problema iyo, rom adamianebs

ar hqondaT sruli informacia.

unda iTqvas, rom bolo

erTi wlis manZilze yvela televizia,

„imedis” garda, opoziciisTvis

gaxsnilia. gamonaklisi arc

me var. aman saSualeba momca, rom

amoWrebis gareSe melaparaka is,

rasac aqamde vfiqrobdi. „mTavar”

arxze axali araferi miTqvams.

ruseTis centralur arxze gamosvlisas

ori wlis winaT vTqvi, rom

Cemi qveynis teritoriaze rusuli

Ceqma ar unda iyos. es Cvens moqalaqeebamde

ar mivida.

2008 wlidan Cveni partiis

amocana iyo saqarTvelos evrostruqturebSi

gawevrianeba, Crdiloatlantikur

aliansTan daaxloeba,

xolo ruseTTan pirdapiri

dialogis warmoeba, raTa gamoricxuliyo

am qveyanasTan konfrontacia.

„nacionalebis” dros

araerTi preskonferencia maqvs

Catarebuli. Jurnalisti mekiTxeboda,

_ qalbatono nino, Tqven

waxvalT moskovSi? me amaze vpasuxobdi,

_ me waval yvela qveynis

dedaqalaqSi, sadac wasvla Cems

qveyanas dasWirdeba, mniSvneloba

ar aqvs, es briuseli iqneba, vaSingtoni,

Tu moskovi. Cems gancxadebebs

Cexdnen, eTerSi gadioda

mxolod es fraza, _ me waval

moskovSi. aseT triukebs wina xelisufleba

xSirad iyenebda. aseT

rameebze uars arc „qarTuli ocneba”

ambobs. Zalian uxerxulia,

roca „qarTuli ocneba” „nacionalebTan”

kavSirSi madanaSaulebs.

„ocnebam” damnaSave „nacionaleb-

Tan” mSvenivrad gadainawila biznesebi

da axla erTmaneTis biznespartniorebi

arian. me imis gamo

msayveduroben, qveynisTvis

mniSvnelovan sakiTxze ratom davjeqi

molaparakebis magidasTan.

CemTvis „nacionalebTan” erTad

dajdoma ioli ar yofila, magram

roca es qveyanas sWirdeba, maSin

mosisxle mterTan erTadac unda

dajde molaparakebebze.

7


ès specoperacia policias

ramdenime dRis win saqarTvelo-

giorgi abaSiZe

Si genialuri filmis, „rogor mo-

viparoT milionis” rimeikis premiera

vnaxeT, rac imas niSnavs, rom niRbiani da samxedro for-

maSi gamowyobili mamakaci, romelic kbilebamde iyo SeiaraRebuli,

„saqarTvelos bankis” zugdidis centralur filialSi Sei-

Wra, ufro sworad, auRelveblad Sevida, 43 adamiani mZevlad

aiyvana da... arc meti, arc naklebi, naxevari milioni dolari

moiTxova. SesaZloa, es moTxovna vinmes Tavidan sasacilodac

ar eyo da imasac fiqrobda, rom Zalovani uwyebebi Tavxed Tavdamsxmels

„xaxamSrals datovebdnen”, mZevlebs gaaTavisuflebdnen

da damnaSavesac „viris abanoSi” ukravdnen Tavs, magram mox-

da is, rac moxda, anu SvidsaaTiani kriminaluri drama imiT

damTavrda, rom saxelmwifom bankze Tavdamsxmels 500 aTasi dolari

CauTvala da niRbosanic ukvalod gauCinarda. amis miuxedavad,

oficialuri struqturebisa da Sesabamisad, xelisufleb-

is warmomadgenlebi zugdidis specoperacias warmatebulad mi-

iCneven da amboben, mTavaria, aravin mokvda da jandabas, 500 aTasi

dolari saxelmwifosi ki ara, „saqarTvelos bankis” fuli iyoo.

mokled, „ocneba” TviTkmayofilia.

am dros ki, adamianebi, romlebic

damnaSaveebis bunebas zedmiwevniT

kargad icnoben da amas-

Tan, msgavsi RonisZiebebis Catarebis

didi gamocdilebac aqvT, amboben,

rom specoperacia, romlis

drosac damnaSave gaiqceva, ar

SeiZleba, warmatebulad CaiTvalos.

es ki arada, uSiSroebis Tadarigis

oficeri, samegrelos

samxedro kontrdazvervis yofili

Sefi konstantine forCxiZe,

„qronika+~-sTan erTmniSvnelovnad

acxadebs, rom zemoxsenebuli

specoperacia policias ki ara,

uSiSroebis samsaxurs unda Caetarebina.

ras niSnavs fulis damuSaveba?

ratom SearCia Tavdamsxmelma

gasaZarcvad „saqarTvelos bankis”

maincdamainc zugdidis fil-

iali? is, rac moxda, Cveulebrivi

kriminalia Tu teroristuli

aqti? _ am detalebis Sesaxeb

„qronika+

nika+~-s -s uSiSroebis staJiani

TanamSromeli eqskluziurad es-

aubra:

_ kote, zugdidSi bankis Zarc-

va Cveulebrivi kriminalia Tu

momxdars SeiZleba, teraqtis

kvalifikacia mivceT?

_ diax, SeiZleba, teraqtis

kvalifikacia mivceT.

_ ratom?

_ roca mZevlad 43 adamiania

ayvanili da roca saubari saxelmwifosgan

fulis gamoZalvazea, es

teroristuli aqtia, aba, ra aris?!

_ Ss ministris cnobiT, naxevari

milioni dolari Tavdam-

sxmels saxelmwifom ki ara,

„saqarTvelos bankma” gadauxada...

_ amas ra mniSvneloba aqvs?

Tavdamsxmeli banks ki ara, saxelmwifos

sTxovda, rom 500 aTasi

dolari gadaexada. amitomac is,

rac moxda, pirvel rigSi, saxelmwifos

winaaRmdeg mimarTuli danaSaulia.

saxelmwifos winaaRmdeg

Cadenili danaSauli ki im dana-

SaulTa ricxvs ganekuTvneba, romelic

specsamsaxurebis arealSia

moqceuli da gamoZiebac yovelTvis

maTi prerogativaa.

sxvaTa Soris, imaze, Tu vis

unda ganexorcielebina mZevalTa

ganTavisuflebis operacia, Cemi

Sexeduleba maqvs, anu mTavari warmmarTveli

Zala policia ki ara,

saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis samsaxuri

unda yofiliyo, miT umetes,

rom ubralo mZarcvelze ar iyo

saubari.

_ ras gulisxmob?

_ Tavidanve cnobili gaxda,

rom Tavdamsxmels samxedro forma

ecva da samxedro SeiaraRebiT

iyo aRWurvili. yvelafers Tavi

rom davaneboT, es „sinaglea”, anu

Tavdamsxmeli Tavxedurad iqceoda

da saxelmwifo struqturebis,

samxedro formisa da SeiaraRebuli

Zalebis mimarT upativcemulobas

gamoxatavda. yvelafer amas

politikuri datvirTva aqvs.

ise, me Tu mkiTxavT, Tavdamsxmels

bankidan fulis aRebaze

arc ufiqria.

_ SeiZleba, magram faqtia, rom

Tavdamsxmels fuli „saqarTvelos

bankma” misca, e. i., saxelmwifom

sakuTari ufleba ver Seas-

rula da kompania ver daicva?

_ mniSvneloba ar aqvs, es fuli

vin gadaixada. mTavari isaa, rom

Tavdamsxmelma fuli bankis xelmZRvanelobisgan

ki ara, saxelmwifo

struqturebis oficialuri

warmomadgenlebisgan miiRo. amitomac

es saxelmwifos winaaRmdeg

mimarTuli danaSaulia, romelic

gamoZiebuli da damnaSave umkacresad

dasjili unda iqnes!

_ mokled, Tavdamsxmels samx-

edro forma specialurad ecva?

_ ra Tqma unda. is kargad momzadebuli,

winaswar Sedgenili

scenariT moqmedebda da aRWurvili

iyo. sxvaTa Soris, am TavdasxmaSi

bevri problemuri sakiTxia,

rac SesaZloa, uSualod TavdamsxmelTanac

iyos dakavSirebuli...

aqve, imasac vityvi, rom meeWveba,

namdvili xelyumbara hqonoda.

_ eWvi ratom gepareba?

_ praqtikulad, SeuZlebelia,

rom adamians yumbara rva saaTi

eWiros da xelidan xelSi gadahqondes.

naomari var, yumbara mWeria,

gamomiyenebia kidec da amitomac

vici, rasac vambob.

erTi sityviT, Zalian bevri

kiTxvis niSania da yvela kiTxvas

gamoZiebam Sesabamisi pasuxi unda

gasces. Tu ase ar moxdeba, maSin

kidev ufro bevri kiTxva gaCndeba,

Tan es pasuxgaucemeli kiTxvebi

analogiuri danaSaulebis ganviTarebas

biZgs miscems, anu yvelafer

amas SesaZloa, dominos

efeqti hqondes.

Tu gavrcelebuli videokadrebiT

vimsjelebT, Tavdamsxmels

samxedro saqmesTan Sesa-

`mTavari isaa, rom Tavdamsxmelma fuli

bankis xelmZRvanelobisgan ki ara, saxelmwifo

struqturebis oficialuri

warmomadgenlebisgan miiRo. amitomac es

saxelmwifos winaaRmdeg mimarTuli

danaSaulia, romelic gamoZiebuli da

damnaSave umkacresad dasjili unda iqnes!~

konstantine forCxiZe:

`zugdidSi

bankis Zarcvas

SesaZloa,

teraqtis

kvalifikacia

mivceT!~

Zloa, garkveuli Semxebloba

hqondes da Tu es dadasturda,

maSin im organoebis pasuxismgeblobis

sakiTxi dgeba, romlebic

valdebulni iyvnen, mosalodneli

danaSaulis Sesaxeb winmswrebi informacia

hqonodaT da droulad

araTu gamoevlinaT, aRekveTaT

kidec.

_ kote, rogorc uSiSroebis

Tadarigis oficeri, ras fiqrobT

_ Tavdamsxmeli rigiTi samxedroa

Tu specmomzadeba aqvs gav-

lili?

_ specrazmels ufro hgavs.

_ amas ris safuZvelze ambob?

_ rigiTi samxedro aseT dana-

Sauls ar sCadis. Tavdamsxmeli im

jgufis adamianebs ufro ganekuTvneboda,

romlebic specrazmis

wevrebi arian. SeiZleba, is yofili

TanamSromeli an daqiravebulia,

Tumca amaze msjeloba Sors wagviyvans.

_ davuSvaT, Tavdamsxmeli yo-

fili an moqmedi specrazmelia,

magram aqve Cndeba meore kiTxva,

_ maincdamainc warmatebuli bankis

regionuli ofisi ratom air-

Cia?

_ amis axsna martivia _ im teritorias

kargad icnobs. sxvaTa

Soris, im CanawerSi, romelSic

samxareo policiis ufrosi elaparakeba,

Tavdamsxmels aSkarad

aqcenti etyoba da esec imaze mianiSnebs,

rom im midamos kargad

icnobs. Sesabamisad, imis varaudi,

kvali sad unda moiZebnos, Sesa-

Zlebelia.

Tavdamsxmelma mZevlebi iseT

adgilas miiyvana da Camoyara, sadac

tyea, magram gamodis, rom

iqaurobas xuTi TiTiviT icnobs.

ise, oTxi weli samegrelos regionSi

samxedro kontrdazvervis

ufrosi viyavi da swored amitom

vambob, rom es spontanuri ki ara,

kargad dagegmili da momzadebuli

politikuri aqti iyo! metic,

am saqmeSi fuli meorexarisxovnad

8 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.


ar unda Caetarebina!~

mimaCnia.

_ imiT, rac gaakeTa, Tavdamsxmels

risi xazgasma da demon-

strireba undoda?

_ albaT, xelisuflebisa da im

struqturebis uunarobis xazgasma

undoda. aqamdec cnobili iyo,

rom dRevandeli xelisuflebis

Zalovani struqturebi profesionalizmisgan

Zalian Sors arian,

ris Sesaxebac araerTxel xmama-

Rla miTqvams. sistema, praqtikulad,

ar muSaobs da morRveulia.

sistemaSi mxolod struqturebs

ki ara, operatiul saqmianobasac

vgulisxmob, anu operatiuli saqmianoba

migdebulia da warmodgena

aravis aqvs, es rogor unda awarmoos!

_ kote, ra amis pasuxia da koronis

gamo bankSi nebismier Sems-

vlels sicxes uzomaven. es „tipi”

ki niRbiTa da „kalaSnikoviT” Se-

iaraRebuli (SemTxveviTi, albaT,

arc „kalaSnikovia”) bankSi ise Se-

dis, rom yuradRebas aravin

aqcevs. amas riT xsni?

_ es adamiani uproblemod mxolod

bankSi ki ar Sevida, mTel

qalaqSi gadaadgildeboda. saer-

Tod, warmodgena rom gqondes,

getyvi, banki sad mdebareobs _

zviad gamsaxurdias gamzirze, susis

Senobis gverdiT. meriac iqvea.

amitomac es teritoria policiis

mudmivi meTvalyureobis qveSaa.

am dros, CafxutCamofarebuli

adamiani bankSi ise Sedis, rom veravin

amCnevs...

_ sxvaTa Soris, zustad im

dRes, roca mZarcveli banks

daesxa, zugdidSi „nacmoZraobis”

didi Sekreba unda gamarTuliyo,

anu xom ar unda vivaraudoT, rom

bankis Zarcva enm-is aqcias miza-

nmimarTulad daamTxvies?

_ amas ver vityvi, magram yvela

versia dasaSvebia...

_ asea Tu ise, yvelaferi imiT

damTavrda, rom saxelmwifom SeiaraRebuli

mZarcvelis moTxovna

daakmayofila da naxevari milioni

miutana, ris Semdegac niR-

bosani ise gauCinarda, rom aravin

icis, miwam Caylapa Tu cam...

_ jer kidev gasarkvevia, fuli

misces Tu ara.

_ Ss ministrma daadastura,

rom mZarcvelis moTxovna Ses-

rulda, anu 500 aTasi dolari

misces...

_ Tqma erTia, magram...

_ sxvaTa Soris, mZevlebis

TqmiT, Tavdamsxmels ar Seumow-

mebia, fuli naRdi iyo Tu ara...

_ rogor unda Seemowmebina?

cal xelSi „limonka” eWira, meoreSi

_ avtomati an romc daeTvalierebina,

rogor unda ganesazRvra,

kupiurebi namdvili iyo

Tu ara?

_ specsamsaxurs gana, ar SeeZ-

lo, CanTaSi, romliTac fuli

misces, „jipiaris” sistema Caemon-

taJebina da Tavdamsxmelis kvals

bolomde gahyoloda?

_ saerTod, aseT dros fuli

muSavdeba.

_ anu?

_ operatiul-teqnikur samsaxurs

fulze specialuri nivTiereba

„daaqvs” da amasTan, TiToeul

kupiuraze Sesabamisi warwera keTdeba,

Tumca yvelafer amas didi

dro sWirdeba. naxevari milioni

òperacia warmatebulad maSin CaiTvleba, roca damnaSaves

daiWeren, sasamarTlos warudgenen da fuls bolomde

amoiReben...~

dolaris 7 saaTSi damuSaveba,

praqtikulad, SeuZlebelia. es,

rogorc Cans, Tavdamsxmelma icoda,

anu kidev erTxel Cans, rom is

kargad momzadebulia. samwuxarod,

mowodebis simaRleze momlaparakeblebi

ver iyvnen.

_ momlaparakeblebs ra unda

gaekeTebinaT?

_ dro kidev unda gaeWimaT da

fuli ase uceb ar unda miecaT...

_ kote, im informaciisa da

kadrebis Tanaxmad, rac gavrcelda,

rogori STabeWdileba Segeqm-

na _ mZevlebs Soris Tavdamsxme-

ls SesaZloa, Tanamzraxveli an

Tanamzraxvelebi hyoloda?

_ Sansi araa, rom aseTi didi

operacia Tanamzraxvelebis gare-

Se ganxorcieldes! yvelafers

Tavi rom davaneboT, Tanamzraxveli

imisTvis mainc undoda, rom

tyidan, saidanac misi kvali daikarga,

gadaadgilebuliyo, anu iq an

cxeni elodeboda, an _ manqana...

mokled, arc imis gamoricxva

SeiZleba, rom Tanamzraxveli SigniTac

hyavda, Tan ise iqceoda,

rogorc maRali profesionali.

saerTod, cnobilia, rom mZevlebis

ayvanis dros e. w. stokholmis

sindromi viTardeba, rac imas

gulisxmobs, rom mZevlebi Tavdamsxmelis

mimarT keTilad ganewyobian.

am adamians aRelveba da zedmeti

foriaqi ar etyoboda. es detalebi

mis profesionalizms usvams

xazs...

_ erT-erTi mZevlis monaTxrobiT,

Tavdamsxmeli xels zedmetad

arafers kidebda da wyalsac

ki mxolod sakuTari boTl-

idan svamda...

_ ra Tqma unda... nakleb profesionalizms

ufro policiis

qmedebebSi vxedav! weRandeli

Tqmisa ar iyos, es specoperacia

policias ar unda Caetarebina...

_ SeiZleba, magram xelisu-

fleba specoperaciis SedegiT

kmayofilia, anu acxadebs, yvela

mZevali cocxali gadarCa da

Tavdamsxmels aTi milionic rom

moeTxova, verc erTi adamianis

sicocxles ver gavwiravdiTo...

_ operacia warmatebulad ma-

Sin CaiTvleba, roca damnaSaves

daiWeren, sasamarTlos warudgenen

da fuls bolomde amoi-

Reben...

_ kote, Seni ar vici da, zug-

didis ambebma, ratomRac, lafa-

`Sansi araa, rom aseTi didi operacia

Tanamzraxvelebis gareSe ganxorcieldes!

yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT,

Tanamzraxveli imisTvis mainc undoda, rom

tyidan, saidanac misi kvali daikarga,

gadaadgilebuliyo, anu iq an cxeni

elodeboda, an - manqana...~

nyuris movlenebi gamaxsena, anu

am or faqts Soris paralelis

gavleba, SeiZleba, gadametebu-

lia, magram 2012 wlis areCevnebis

win lafanyuris „bombi” gaskda,

axla ki _ zugdidis. Sesabam-

isad, bankis Zarcvas politikuri

Seferiloba xom ar aqvs?

_ roca aseTi ambavi arCevnebis

wina periodSi xdeba, yovelTvis

politikuri Seferiloba aqvs,

Tumca imaze saubari, yvelaferi

romel mxaremde miva, Zalian adrea.

_ ratom?

_ am detalebze saubari mxolod

mas Semdeg SegveZleba,

roca damnaSaves daakaveben da

sasamarTlos winaSe waradgenen.

_ gjera, rom damnaSaves

daakaveben?

_ didi eWvi mepareba...

_ ise, qarTul SeiaraRebul

ZalebSi rusuli „kalaSnikovi”

aris?

_ diax, aris.

_ hoda, raki saqmeSi „kalaSni-

kovi” figurirebs, SegviZlia Tu

ara davuSvaT versia, rom bankis

Zarcvis kvali ucxo qveynis, magaliTad,

ruseTis specsamsax-

urebamde mivides?

_ amis gamorcixvac ar SeiZleba,

miT umetes, damnaSave vertmfrens

iTxovda, anu saqarTvelos

sazRvris gadalaxvas fiqrobda.

saqarTvelo-TurqeTis sazRvars

ver gadalaxavda. Sesabamisad,

ruseTis an okupirebuli afxaze-

Tis e. w. sazRvari unda gadaelaxa,

sadac rusi samxedroebi dganan. am

e. w. sazRvris gadalaxva specsamsaxurebis

dauxmareblad SeuZlebelia.

_ kote, saubris dasawyisSi ax-

sene da sxvebic fiqroben, rom is,

rac zugdidSi moxda, kriminals

waaxalisebs. damisabuTe da amix-

seni, ase ratom fiqrob?

_ diax, rogorc vTqvi, amas

dominos efeqti eqneba. amitomacaa,

rom nebismieri dasavluri

qveyana damnaSaveebis moTxovnebis

Sesrulebaze, rogorc wesi, mkacr

uars ambobs xolme. molaparakebas

mxolod imitom awarmoeben, rom

specoperaciis Casatareblad dro

moigon. sxvaTa Soris, teriristebTan

molaparakebebs Tavad

ruseTic ar awarmoebs xolme!

_ gasagebia, rom telemedias

specrazmelTa ganlageba da

gadaadgileba „laiv reJimiT” ar

unda eCvenebina, magram mZevali,

romelmac sazogadoebas Tavdam-

sxmelis moTxovnebi Seatyobina,

pirdapir eTerSi unda gaeyvana

Tu ara?

_ Tavdamsxmeli pirdapir policiaSi

ar darekavda da ar ityoda,

naxevari milioni momeciTo.

amitom mas viRac sWirdeboda,

vinc mis moTxovnebs gaaxmovanebda.

mediis gareSe xelisuflebisTvis

xma rogor unda miewvdina?

Tavdamsxmels masobrivi informaciis

saSualebebi sWirdeboda,

romelTan dasakavSirebladac

mZevlebi gamoiyena. es Cveulebrivi

ambavia.

_ Seni dakvirvebiT, saxelmwifos

naxevari milioni rom ar mi-

etana, Tavdamsxmeli mZevlebs

marTla daxocavda?

_ ki, daxocavda.

_ Tu daxocva undoda, maSin

mZevlebis naxevarze meti ratom

gaaTavisufla (cnobilia, rom

Tavidan 43 adamiani daatyveva,

Tumca umetesoba etapobrivad

gamouSva) an xaWapurs ratomRa

sTavazobda?

_ mere ra?! es Cveulebrivi taqtikaa...

weRanac vTqvi, rom Tavdamsxmeli

ar nerviulobda. roca adamiani

ar nerviulobs, es imas ni-

Snavs, rom sakuTar TavSi darwmunebulia.

es adamianic mxolod sakuTar

TavSi darwmunebuli ki ara,

kargad momzadebulic iyo _ im

regionis operatiuli viTareba,

sadac mZevlebi aiyvana, Zalian

kargad hqonda Seswavlili da

SesaZloa, isic icoda, mZevlebad

vin ahyavda! bolos ki iseTi adamianebi

daitova, romlebsac xelisuflebasTan

garkveuli kavSiri

da urTierToba hqondaT.

_ vis gulisxmob, kote?

_ magaliTad, gamgeblis Tu

meris biZaSvils.

_ am msjelobaSi ver gamogyve-

bi, radgan adamianebi, romlebic

mZevlebad aiyvana, im dros bank-

Si SemTxveviT moxvdnen...

_ SemTxveviT araferi xdeba...

amitomac yvelaferi gamoZiebisa

da kvlevis sagania.

diax, TiToeuli detali unda

iyos ganxiluli da aseve yvela

mZevali Seswavlili. minimum, is

unda dadgindes, am mZevlebis kav-

Sirebi vin arian da zustad im

dros bankSi ratom aRmoCndnen.

SesaZloa, zogierTi im adgilas im

dros winaswar SeTanxmebulad

aRmoCnda... sxvaTa Soris, Tavdamsxmels

mZevlebad iseTebi sWirdeboda,

romlebic winaaRmdegobas

ar gauwevdnen. saerTod, roca

mZevlad iyvanen, yvelas erTnairi

reaqcia ar aqvs.

_ anu?

_ aseT dros zogi agresiulia,

zogi Cumadaa, zogis nebeloba

ecema da sxvanairad iqceva, Tumca

aseT detalebs specsamsaxurebis

garda aravin aqcevs yuradRebas.

ise, Tu daakvirdi, gaqceva

erT mZevalsac ar ucdia, anu amitomac

vambob, rom Tavdamsxmelma

iseTi mZevlebi SearCia, romlebic

winaaRmdegobas ar gauwevdnen.

_ bolos, kote, gjera, rom es

saqme gaixsneba da odesme gav-

igebT, realurad ra moxda?

_ es xelisuflebis nebazea

damokidebuli, Tumca Tu aseTi

saqme cxel kvalze ar ixsneba, mere

misi gaxsna Zalian Znelia.

_ ratom?

_ weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos, ar

mgonia, Zalovnebs fulis Sesabamisi

damuSaveba moeswroT da gamtaceblisTvis

ise miecaT, arada, am

SemTxvevaSi fuli erTaderTi kvalia,

romelic saqmis gaxsnis mTavar

iaraRad iqceva...

9

arCevnebs, romelic am kviris

bolos unda Catardes, bevri gadamwyvet arCevnebad miiCnevs.

bevrs sjera, rom 31 oqtombers xelisufleba Seicvleba. msgavsi

molodinebi ar aqvs politolog petre mamraZes. misi azriT,

qarTul politikur velze ar Cans Zala, romelic „qarTul

ocnebasa” da biZina ivaniSvils Caanacvlebs. amasTan, polito-

logi aRniSnavs, rom „qarTuli ocnebis” lideri bevr Secdomas

uSvebs. am Secdomebs mamraZe imas miawers, rom ivaniSvili poli-

tikosi araa. politologi miiCnevs, rom saqarTveloSi sistema

kidev didxans ar Seicvleba. misi azriT, xelisufleba Tu mainc

Seicvala, aq gavlenebis gadanawilebisTvis brZolebi daiwyeba.

ratom ar daisajnen cixis

mwameblebi? ratom gamouSva

cixidan kbilaSvilma lado

bedukaZe? ras saqmianobda laSa

nacvliSvili? vin da ra ufuWebs

saqmes biZina ivaniSvils? rogor

lagdeboda biznesebi? _ am Te-

mebis Sesaxeb „qronika+”-s petre

mamraZe esaubreba:

_ batono petre, bevri ambobs,

rom arCevnebi, romelic am

kviris bolos Catardeba, saqar-

Tvelos istoriaSi gadamwyveti

iqneba. Tqven ras fiqrobT?

_ sruli pasuxismgeblobiT

vacxadeb, rom es ar aris gadamwyveti

arCevnebi. gadamwyveti arCevnebis

dros xalxis SemarTeba

sul sxvanairia xolme. dRes gansxvavebuli

viTarebaa. amomrCevels

ar aqvs ganwyoba, rom

arsebobs Zala, romelic xelisuflebaSi

Tu mova, gveSveleba, _

amaTi mosvliT qveyanas patroni

eyoleba da Rirs arCevnebze wasvlao.

am dros lamis saxalxo

moZraoba iwyeba xolme.

saqarTvelo postsabWoTa qveynebisgan

amiT gamoirCeva. Cvenc

ar SegviZlia xelisuflebis yoveldRiuri

monitoringi, magram

drodadro aseTi saxalxo moZraobebis

Sedegad vcvliT xelisuflebebs.

ase moxda 2003 wels. maSin

arCevnebi „vardebis revoluciiT”

dasrulda. ase moxda 2012

wels _ xelisuflebis Secvla ma-

Sin gadawyvita xalxma, roca cixis

sadisturi kadrebi vnaxeT. manamdec

vicodiT, Tu ra xdeboda

cixeebSi, magram kadrebma xalxze

saSinlad imoqmeda.

dRes politikur asparezze ar

Cans iseTi Zala, romelsac xelisuflebis

Secvla SeuZlia.

arCevnebSi 47 subieqti monawileobs,

magram bevri maTgani partia

araa, ufro feodalur dajgufebebs

warmoadgens.

erTaderi arsebobs saakaSvili,

romlis momxreebic 13-dan

17%-mde meryeobs. es aris saakaSvilis

erTguli eleqtorati. es

is xalxia, romelic arCevnebze

nebismier amindSi midis. maTTvis

arc politikur aminds aqvs mniSvneloba.

arCevnebze midian da

miSas aZleven xmas. maTTvis mTavaria,

lideri iyos miSa da sulerTia,

vin iqneba „nacionalebis”

saxeliT parlamentSi. am

eleqtoratis xmebs verc vaSaZis

partia waiRebs da verc _ ugulava-bokerias

frTa. es, ubralod,

gamoricxulia.

2016 wlis saparlamento arCevnebSi

„nacionalurma moZraobam”

27% aiRo. Tu am arCevnebze dabali

daswreba iqna da arCevnebi

ar gayalbda, opoziciidan isev

saakaSvilis partia aiRebs yvelaze

maRal procentebs. sxva araferi

moxdeba. „qarTuli ocneba”

isev bevr adgils moipovebs

parlamentSi da maT axali mTav-

10

Sorena marsagiSvili

599 92 16 22


robis dasakompleqteblad SesaZloa,

romelime ZalasTan koaliciis

Seqmnac ki ar dasWirdeT

_ ratom ggoniaT, rom „ocneba”

bevr adgils miiRebs parlamentSi?

am partiam xalxs seri-

ozulad gaucrua imedebi.

_ „qarTulma ocnebam” xalxs

imedebi gaucrua, magram mainc es

Zala moipovebs umravlesobas.

imis gamo, rom opoziciaSi saakaSvilze

popularuli aravin aris,

„ocneba” parlamentSi bevr mandats

miiRebs.

_ opozciaSi yvelaze popu-

laruli saakaSvili rom iyos, es,

SemTxveviT, ivaniSvils xom ar

awyobs?

_ ar vici, magram faqtia, rom

es asea. xalxSi arc moTxovnaa

xelisuflebis cvlilebaze. es

mafiqrebinebs, rom arCevnebze

xelisufleba ar Seicvleba.

2003 wlis gazafxulze ukve

Canda, rom xelisufleba Seicvleboda.

ucxoelebi kvlevebs

atarebdnen. am kvlevebis mixedviT

pirvel adgilze iyo Salva

naTelaSvili, meoreze _ mixeil

saakaSvili. es Sedegi moitana

qveyanaSi arsebulma totalurma

korufciam. xalxi veRar itanda

amas, rac maSin xdeboda. visac ki

SeeZlo fulis aReba, yvela iRebda.

am fonze saakaSvili brwyinvale

sityvebiT gamodioda da

amis gamo xalxs is qarizmatul

liderad moeCvena.

2012 wels „nacionaluri

moZraoba” cixis sadisturma kadrebma

daamTavra. aRsaniSnavia

isic, rom im dros miSa iseTi

popularuli aRar iyo, rogorc

wina wlebSi, magram administraciuli

resursi mas emxroboda. cixis

kadrebis gasvlis Semdeg 20%

mowyda „nacionalur moZraobas”

da „qarTul ocnebasTan” gadavida.

ase moigo arCevnebi maSin

ivaniSvilis partiam.

_ am cixis kadrebs seriozuli

skandali mohyva. bevri maSinve

amtkicebda, rom es yve-

laferi dadgmuli iyo. saubaria

gaupatiurebis kadrebze. axla

gavrcelda saubaris Canaweri,

saidanac Cans, rom am speqtaklis

dadgmaSi bedukaZes vano Cxar-

tiSvilma fuli gadauxada. imaze

aravin daobs, rom patimrebs

marTla awamebdnen, magram cocx-

ebis kadrebi dadgmulia.

_ aranairi safuZveli ar maqvs

imis gamosaricxad, rom gaupatiurebis

kadrebi dadgmuli iyo. es

rom gamovricxo, saamisod sa-

Tanado mtkicebulebebi unda

mqondes. karantinis daSla ki namdvilia.

es rom ase xdeboda, amis

Sesaxeb manamdec vicodi, sanam

kadrebi gavrceldeboda.

2008 wels parlamentis wevri

rom gavxdi, adamianis uflebaTa

dacvis komitetis Tavmjdomaris

moadgile viyavi. cixeebSi arsebul

situaciaze zRva masala wa-

àm arCevnebze

petre mamraZe:

`qarTulma

ocnebam~ xalxs

imedebi gaucrua,

magram mainc es

Zala moipovebs

umravlesobas~

movida. maxsovs, CemTan 50 wlamde

inteligenti qalbatoni Semovida.

Tavs ikavebda, magram mere

tiriliT momiyva, Tu ras uSvrebian

mis vaJiSvils cixeSi. es zustad

daemTxva im monaTxrobebs,

rasac manamde sxva adamianebisgan

vismendi.

karantinis daSlis kadrebSi

Canda lagodexis policiis maSindeli

ufrosi, romelic fexebs

urtyamda patimars. am scenas vi-

Racebi videokameriT iRebdnen. es

aris uxeSi kanondarRveva. policiis

ufross ra undoda gldanis

cixeSi?! vin SeuSva?! axlave

getyviT, rac xdeboda: es iyo

danaSaulebrivi jaWvi. Cinosnebs

eubnebodnen, Sen Tu erTguli

xar, amaSi monawileobas miiReb,

Cven amas videoze gadaviRebTo.

vici SemTxvevebi, roca ramdenime

policielma amaze uari

Tqva. erTma saerTod gaixada

forma da ruseTSi wavida, meorem

avadmyofoba moimizeza da sistema

datova, magram sxvebi darCnen,

romlebic am ukanonobas sCadiodnen

da viRacas erTgulebas

umtkicebdnen.

saqarTveloSi yvelam icoda,

rom cixeebSi ubedureba trialebda.

amitom piradad Cemze

naklebad moqmedebs, Tuki am kadrebis

sanacvlod lado beduka-

Zes fuli gadauxades. arc is

mainteresebs, Tu vin gadauxada

fuli. amis Semdeg cixeebSi adamianebis

wameba Sewyda.

_ arc is moqmedebs Tqvenze,

cixis cnobili jalaTebi rom ar

dasaja „qarTuli ocnebis” xe-

lisuflebam?

_ rogor ar moqmedebs. isic

mikvirs, ratom gaisusa Semdeg am

Temaze „ocneba”. am kadrebis gavrcelebamde

bedukaZem saqarTvelo

datova. saqarTveloSi xelisuflebis

Secvlis Semdeg dabrunda

da is daakaves. cixidan

skandaluri kadrebis avtori

arCil kbilaSvilma gamoiyvana,

romelsac mTavari prokuroris

posti ekava. man amisTvis gamoiyena

mTavari prokurorisTvis miniWebuli

ufleba, romlis Tanaxmadac

mTavar prokurors aqvs

ufleba, gaaTavisuflos esa Tu

is patimari. ase gauSva bedukaZe.

amaze atyda ambavi, magram ra

atyda. Tina xidaSeli bolo xmaze

wioda da kioda. arc sxvebi aklebdnen.

yvela gaiZaxoda, rom

bedukaZem Tavis namoqmedarze

pasuxi unda agoso. am isterikis

sapasuxod kbilaSvilma preskonferencia

moawyo da Tqva, beduka-

Zis SemTxvevaSi kanoni ar damir-

`gaxsovT, biZina ivaniSvilis gancxadeba

kbilaSvilTan dakavSirebiT? man aseTi rame

Tqva, - laSa nacvliSvili prokuraturaSi

akeTebs imas, rasac ver akeTebs kbilaSvilio.

nacvliSvili maSin mTavari prokuroris

moadgile iyo~

Rvevia, Cemi ufleba gamoviyeneo.

misive ganmartebiT, is adamianebi,

romlebic wlebis ganmavloba-

Si sadisturad epyrobodnen patimrebs

cixeebSi, umravlesoba

sistemaSi darCa da sakmaod bevric

dawinaurda. kbilaSvilis

TqmiT, aseT viTarebaSi bedukaZis

datoveba cixeSi ar SeiZleboda,

mas samagieros gadauxdidnen.

_ kbilaSvilma mwameblebis

dawinaurebas ratom ar SeuSala

xeli? cixidan bedukaZis gamoy-

vanis magivrad es gaekeTebina.

_ rogor unda SeeSala

amisTvis xeli? sasjelaRsruleba

mis daqvemdebarebaSi myofi

sistema ar iyo.

_ magram kbilaSvili iyo

prokurori da SeeZlo saqmis

aRZvra.

_ rogor ar SeeZlo, magram...

gaxsovT, biZina ivaniSvilis gancxadeba

kbilaSvilTan dakavSirebiT?

man aseTi rame Tqva, _ laSa

nacvliSvili prokuraturaSi akeTebs

imas, rasac ver akeTebs kbilaSvilio.

nacvliSvili maSin mTavari

prokuroris moadgile iyo.

_ nacvliSvilis nakeTeb saqm-

eebze legendebi dadioda da

Tqveni azriT, ras gulisxmobda

ivaniSvili?

_ nacvliSvili akeTebda imas,

razedac gia xuxaSvilma erT-erT

Tavis interviuSi isaubra. ker-

Zod, xuxaSvili ambobda, rom xelisuflebaSi

„ocnebis” mosvlis

Semdeg is da uCa mamacaSvili

alagebdnen xelisuflebis urTierTobas

biznesTan. misi ganmartebiT,

erTi wlis Semdeg is

saqmidan gamovida, biZinas deidaSvilma

ki saqmianoba gaagrZela.

isini „piqselis” SenobaSi, daviT

kezeraSvilis yofil ofisSi

isxdnen. imis Wkuac ki ar eyoT,

rom sxvagan damsxdariyvnen. aq

dalagdeboda raRac da mere midiodnen

prokuraturaSi. maSin

saqarTveloSi modaSi iyo aseTi

kiTxva, _ Caxsnili xar? amas biznesmenebs

ekiTxebonen xolme.

_ ras niSnavda es kiTxva?

saidan unda CaexsnaT?

_ es kiTxva niSnavda imas, rom

wilebis xelaxali gadaformeba

mimdinareobda. es sasamarTlosa

da prokuraturis gareSe gvardeboda.

erTmaneTs aravin erCoda.

amas Taviseburi plusi hqonda.

10 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.


xelisufleba ar Seicvleba~

_ ra plusi?

_ am qonebebis gadanawilebis

dros yofil sabWoTa kavSirSi

yvelaze naklebi srolebi saqar-

TveloSi iyo. amaSi Cvenma bunebamac

Segviwyo xeli.

_ „qarTul jigrul pontSi”

gadanawilda qoneba?

_ ase gamovida. erT istorias

mogiyvebiT, romelic or cnobil

gvars ukavSirdeba, maT vinaobas

ar davasaxeleb: rogorc ki wavidnen

„nacebi”, erTi adamiani meores

daukavSirda da uTxra, Cemze

rom gadmoweres mTeli Seni qoneba

da wilebi, wamodi da yvelaferi

ukan waiRe, me mandedan erTi

TeTric ki ar amiRia, yvelaferi

„nacionalebs” mihqondaTo.

„nacionalebis” mmarTvelobis

dros erTma nacnobma miTxra,

cezar CoCeli kubmetrobiT Soulobs

fuls da amaT nataxtris

sasaklaoc mas misceso. me vuTxari,

_ mas bevri ar darCeba, radganac

„nacionalebs” mihqondaT

biznesidan fuli-meTqi.

Seicvala xelisufleba da biZina

ivaniSvilma araerTxel isaubra

am Temaze. man gamogvicxada,

oqriaSvili da CoCeli uniWieresi

adamianebi ariano. maT eyoT

Wkua da gamWriaxoba da ar daupirispirdnen

mixeil saakaSvils.

rodesac situacia Seicvala,

kidev eyoT Wkua da swor poziciaze

dadgneno. gulisxmobda,

rom isini „ocnebis” mxares gadmovidnen.

_ CoCelma da oqriaSvilma axlac

Seicvales pozicia da ne-

tav, kidev xom ar eyoT Wkua da

gamWriaxoba, rom swori pozicia

SeerCiaT? orive maTgans kargi

alRo aqvs.

_ alRo ki ara, vaniCka merabiSvili

cixidan gamovida, erTi

TiTi dauqnia da CoCeli-oqriaSvilis

dueti „nacionalebTan”

wavida. sxvagan wasvlis Sansi,

ubralod, ar iyo.

_ ratom ar iyo?

_ imitom, rom vanosTan mTeli

cxra wlis manZilze urTierToba

hqondaT. es urTierToba

ukvalod ar Caivlida. gamovida

vano cixidan da waiyvana Tavisi

xalxi. am SemTxvevaSic sworad

moiqcnen CoCeli da oqriaSvili.

amis gamo maT mimarT agresa wamovida,

magram iqiTa mxridan Sei-

`vaniCka merabiSvili cixidan gamovida, erTi

TiTi dauqnia da CoCeli-oqriaSvilis dueti

`nacionalebTan~ wavida. sxvagan wasvlis Sansi,

ubralod, ar iyo~

Zleba iseTi angariSsworeba yofiliyo,

mtrisas. ratom Seaqo

biZinam isini, ar vici. vin geqaCeba

enaze, gaCumdi ra, magram

politikosi araa. roca politikosi

ar xar, maSin aseT gancxadebebsac

gaakeTeb da Secdomebsac

dauSveb. is uSves Secdomebs. amis

miuxedavad yovelTvis vityvi,

rom biZina saqarTvelos istoriaSi

yvelaze didi qvelmoqmedia.

_ politikosi rom araa

ivaniSvili, es Rupavs masac da

mis gundsac. misi gundi ki saer-

Tod xelidan aris wasuli.

_ misi gundi marTla xelidan

aris wasuli. diplomatebTan miwevs

xolme Sexvedrebi. amas winaT

`diplomatebTan miwevs xolme Sexvedrebi. amas

winaT mkiTxes, - gazafxulze ase warmatebiT

rogor moeria saqarTvelo pandemiaso? me

vuTxari, rom es bednieri SemTxvevis

wyalobiT moxda. Tengiz cercvaZe, jer kidev,

90-iani wlebidan iyo ivaniSvilis Svilebis

eqimi. biZina mas endoba. biZina aseve endoba

amiran gamyreliZes. misi jandacvis ministrad

daniSvnac undoda, magram man Svilis gamo

Tqva uari. misi Svili iseT samsaxurSi iyo,

ministroba ar gamovidoda. mTelma `qarTulma

ocnebam~ icis, rom ivaniSvili cercvaZisa da

gamyreliZis mosazrebebs iziarebs. aqedan

gamomdinare, mTavrobis wevrebi emorCilebian

maT gadawyvetilebebs. akeTeben imas, rac maT

undaT. gazafxulze pandemiasTan gamklavebac

amitom movaxerxeT~

mkiTxes, _ gazafxulze ase warmatebiT

rogor moeria saqarTvelo

pandemiaso? me vuTxari, rom

es bednieri SemTxvevis wyalobiT

moxda. Tengiz cercvaZe, jer kidev,

90-iani wlebidan iyo ivaniSvilis

Svilebis eqimi. biZina mas endoba.

biZina aseve endoba amiran

gamyreliZes. misi jandacvis ministrad

daniSvnac undoda, magram

man Svilis gamo Tqva uari. misi

Svili iseT samsaxurSi iyo, ministroba

ar gamovidoda. mTelma

„qarTulma ocnebam” icis rom

ivaniSvili cercvaZisa da gamyreliZis

mosazrebebs iziarebs.

aqedan gamomdinare, mTavrobis

wevrebi emorCilebian maT gadawyvetilebebs.

akeTeben imas, rac

maT undaT. gazafxulze pandemiasTan

gamklavebac amitom movaxerxeT.

es rom vuTxari, ucxoelebma

mkiTxes, _ igives ratom ar

akeTebs ivaniSvili ministrTa

kabinetis mimarT, SearCios kargi

xalxio. amaze gamecina. biZina xelisuflebaSi

mosvlis dRidan

imas cdilobda, kargi gogo-biWebi

SeerCia, raTa Semdeg Tavisi

hobisTvis miexeda.

_ misi hobi ra aris?

_ qvelmoqmedeba. is amisgan

did siamovnebas Rebulobs. mas

politika marto ki ar ezareba,

aramed sZuls. mas arc sajaro

sivrceSi yofna uyvars. wlebis

manZilze misi foto ar arsebobda.

_ es kargi gogo-biWebi ratom

ver SearCia ministrTa kabinet-

isTvis?

_ dRes es saqarTveloSi gamoricxulia.

_ ratom aris gamoricxuli?

_ imitom, rom sistemaa aseTi.

es sistema sadamdec iarsebebs, is

yovelTvis Tavisas gaakTebs.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ es sistema karg gogo-biWebsac

Tavisken gadaiyvans. saqarTveloSi

Camoyalibebulia sistema,

roca yvelaferi mdidrebis interesebiT

imarTeba. amis Sesaxeb

ekonomikis yofilma ministrma

giorgi qobuliamac isaubra. misi

TqmiT, qveyana monopoliuri garigebebiT

imarTeba. am adamianebs

uzarmazari gavlenebi aqvT prokuraturaze,

sasamarTlosa da

sxva uwyebebze. saakaSvilma mon-

opoliebi aRmofxvra, oRond es

Tavisi jibis sasargeblod gaake-

Ta. biZina sxvanairad iqceva.

_ sxvanairad, rogor?

_ man amis Sesaxeb araerTxel

isaubra. ivaniSvilma Tqva, _ Cems

Tavze aviReb imas, risi gakeTebac

ar SeuZlia Cvens sazogadoebaso.

is xelisuflebis gakontrolebas

gulisxmobda da amas raRacnairad

avsebs. biZina rom gaqres, prokuratura

da sasamarTlo mTlianad

im xalxis xelSi aRmoCndeba.

aseT dros ra azri aqvs, vin sad

iqneba?

_ xelisufleba Tu Seicvala,

maSinac ar eqneba azri imas, Tu

vin ra Tanamdebobaze ijdeba?

_ xelisuflebis Secvlis

SemTxvevaSi brZolebi daiwyeba. es

patar-patara partiebi milionerebs

ekuTvnis. xom iciT, yvela

maTgani milioneria. ramdenime

wlis winaT oqriaSvilze misi

erTi kolega saubrobda, _ oqriaSvils

sul veubnebi, parlamentSi

ra ginda, ra Zala gadgas, rom

xalxma glanZRos, parlamenti

isedac Cveniao.

_ ras niSnavs, parlamenti ise-

dac Cvenia?

_ am adamianis sityvebiTve rom

giTxraT, rasac iTxoven, parlamenti

imas akeTebs. es adamiani,

romelic oqriaSvils parlamentSi

yofnas ar urCevs, misi wonis

figuraa farmacevtul monopoliaSi.

_ „aversis” paata kurta-

niZezea saubari?

_ gvars ar vasaxeleb. am adamians

ar uyvars sajarod gamosvla.

televiziiTac ki ar Cndeba. oqriaSvili

ufro sxva tipia da sxva

ambiciebi aqvs. am ambiciebis gamo

midis sakanonmdeblo organoSi,

Torem iq ra esaqmeba? oficialuri

multimilioneria. 2006 wels

misi qoneba 200 milioni iyo. axla

bevrad meti iqneba. ara mgonia,

parlamentSi xelfasisTvis Sediodes.

parlamentaris xelfasi

CemTvis miswreba iyo, magram ara

_ oqriaSvilisTvis.

isev sistemas davubrundebi:

samwuxarod, sistemebi ase iolad

da male ar icvleba. amdeni welia,

damoukideblebi varT da ver mivaRwieT

imas, rom qveyanaSi kanonis

uzenaesoba iyos. aseT SemTxvevaSi

damoukidebeli sasamarTlo

da prokuratura gveqneboda.

vinc danaSauls Caidenda, yvela

agebda pasuxs. samwuxarod, Cven-

Tan sxva realobaa da ivaniSvili

rom ar iyos, kidev ufro mZime

mdgomareoba gveqneboda.

31 oqtombers aq mniSvnelovani

cvlilebebi ar moxdeba. mTavrobas

isev „qarTuli ocneba” daakompleqtebs.

asparezze ar Cans ise-

Ti Zala, romelsac xalxi daujerebs

da ifiqrebs, rom eseni namdvilad

mixedaven qveyanas. rogorc

ukve giTxariT, roca aseTi

Zala gamoCndeba, maSin iwyeba

saxalxo moZraobis msgavsi, xalxi

midis arCevnebze da cvlis xelisuflebas.

axla amis niSnebi ar

Cans.

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

11


àm dReebSi kidev bevr

arCevnebamde 5 dRiT adre jer

nene injgia

kidev bundovania, vis airCevs qa-

591 71 39 98

rTveli mosaxleoba? _ datovebs

xelisuflebaSi mmarTvel gunds,

Tu Zalauflebas 8 wlis Semdeg daubrunebs 9-wliani

mmarTvelobis gamocdilebis mqone „nacionalur moZraobas”?

arsebobs mesame scenari, romlis Tanaxmadac SesaZloa, opoz-

iciuri koaliciuri xelisufleba Camoyalibdes.ra da rogor

dalagdeba, es yvelaferi amomrCevelzea damokidebuli, rom-

lis didma nawilma jer kidev ar icis, vis dauWiros mxari,

Tumca garkveuli raodenoba Tanxmdeba imaze, rom „qarTulma

ocnebam” yvelanairi resursi amowura.

ras SeuZlia arCevnebamde

ramdenime dRiT adre mis Sedegebze

zemoqmedeba? ra kozire-

bi ver gamoiyena xelisuflebam?

aqvs Tu ara opozicias adek-

vaturad moqmedebis resursi?

am da sxva mniSvnelovani Temebis

Sesaxeb „qronika+” poli-

tolog gia xuxaSvils esaubra:

_ batono gia, ra daskvnebs

gaakeTebdiT zugdidis peripetiebze?

ra zegavlena SeiZleba

iqonios winasarCevnod sa-

zogadoebriv azrze am faqtma?

_ mTavari problema, rac am

faqts ukavSirdeba, gaxlavT is,

rom kriminalma dagegma da ganaxorciela

yaCaRobis operacia,

saxelmwifo ki, samwuxarod, ususuri

aRmoCnda, rom is aRekveTa.

pozitivi gaxlavT is, rom mZevlebi

cocxlebi arian. mTavari

faseuloba, adamianis sicocxle,

am SemTxvevaSi, gadarCa, magram

gaSiSvlda samarTaldamcvel

sistemaSi arsebuli problemebi

danaSaulis prevenciisa da krizisis

marTvis Sesaxeb. normalur

qveyanaSi, sadac sistema saTanado

doneze dgas, aseTi operaciis

dagegmva, ubralod, sruli

sigiJea, radgan aseTi tipis Tavxeduri

aqtis SemTxvevaSi Tavdamsxmelma

icis, rom 99%-Si is

iqneba an likvidirebuli, an neitralizebuli.

zugdidis magaliTze

aRmoCnda, rom ver moaxerxes

Tavdamsxmelis likvidireba an

neitralizeba da es samomavlod

seriozuli riskis Semcvelia.

rac Seexeba krizisis marTvas, am

nawilSic warmoudgeneli ram

xdeba: 21-e saukuneSi teqnologiebis

ganviTarebis done Zalian

maRalia da rodesac aseTi ganviTarebuli

teqnologiebis bazaze

adamiani ikmayofilebs Tavis

moTxovnebs, Semdeg ki qreba,

es meore nonsensia Cveni samar-

Taldamcveli sistemisa. sistemis

kolafss ar davarqmevdi, magram

saxeze gvaqvs useriozulesi

problemebi.

_ xelisuflebis warmomad-

genlebi Tavdasxmidan ramdenime

saaTSi sajarod xazs usvamdnen,

rom erT-erTi mZevali „nacio-

naluri moZraobis” mxardamWeri

iyo, raze metyvelebs es faqti?

_ rodesac xelisufleba

Tavis moqalaqeebs aseT eqstremalur

viTarebaSi partiuli niSniT

yofs, amas ar vici, ra Sei-

Zleba davarqva, warmoudgeneli

ram aris rogorc humanisturi,

aseve politikuri da, saerTod,

nebismieri TvalsazrisiT. Cven im

dReebSi warmoudgeneli raRacebi

gvesmoda, rogorc xelisuflebisgan,

aseve maTi mxardamWerebisgan.

es komentarsac ar saWiroebs.

_ gaCnda varaudi, rom Sesa-

Zloa, es Tavdasxma Tavad xelisuflebis

dadgmuli speqtak-

li iyos. xedavT logikas?

_ ar mgonia. ra unda moetana

amas xelisuflebisTvis?! ver

vxedav dividends, ra SeiZleboda

xelisuflebas amisgan mieRo.

Tavdamsxmelis dapatimreba xelisuflebas

aRarafers aZlevs,

radgan igi ukve dazianda. am adamianma

Tavisi fuli miiRo, xolo

xelisuflebam uunaroba gamoavlina

krizisis marTvis pirobeb-

Si. aqedan gamomdinare, gaugebaria,

ra sargebeli unda naxos amisgan

xelisuflebam, iseve rogorc

gaugebaria, ra sargebeli SeiZleboda

enaxa opozicias amaSi? Sesabamisad,

es konkretuli faqti,

Cemi azriT, politikis miRmaa.

SeiZleba, is, rom es Tavdasxma

arCevnebis win moxda, amaSi raRac

logika davinaxoT, radgan rodesac

yaCaRobis faqti xdeba da

rogorc Cans, es adamiani seriozuli

profesionali iyo, is yvela

kuTxiT aanalizebda viTarebas,

SeiZleba man isic gaTvala,

rom arCevnebis win xelisufleba

moerideboda msxverpls da misi

moTxovnebis Sesrulebis Sansebi

ufro maRali iyo, vidre sxva

SemTxvevaSi, amitom SeiZleba mas

es motivi hqonda, magram Tavis-

Tavad politika aq arafer Sua-

Sia.

_ Tavdasxmis Semdeg sazogadoebis

garkveul nawils damna-

Savis mimarT solidarobis ganc-

da gauCnda. Tan Tavdamsxmeli

gaiqca,

samarTaldamcvelma

sistemam ver imuSava. momxdari

faqti ra kuTxiT aisaxeba arCev-

nebis Sedegebze?

_ sazogadoebis am ganwyobas

qmnis maTi xelisuflebisadmi

damokidebuleba. warmoidgineT,

ramxela socialuri gaWirvebaa

qveyanaSi, seriozuli protestis

grZnobaa xelisuflebis mimarT

da, faqtobrivad, SeWirvebuli a-

damianebi fiqroben, rom xelisuflebaze

gadaWerili nebismieri

aseTi maTraxi aris pozitiuri.

es indikatoria imisa, Tu ra avtoritetis

matarebelia dRevandeli

xelisufleba. ar mgonia,

rom sakuTriv kriminalis gama-

gia xuxaSvili:

`Tu raRac

sigiJeebi ar

gaakeTes,

Zalian advilad

warmomidgenia

opoziciuri

koalicia~

rTlebaze gvqondes aq saqme, ufro

saubaria „egre mogixdebaT”

Temaze. amdenad, samwuxaroa: xelisuflebam

miaRwia, rom kriminalis

romantizebac ki xdeba sazogadoebis

mxridan xelisuflebis

sawinaaRmdegod. rac Seexeba

imas, Tu rogor aisaxeba es faqti

arCevnebis Sedegebze, ra Tqma

unda, garkveulwilad, Secvlis,

radgan momxdari faqti xelisuflebis

uunarobasa da sisustes

aCvenebs, susti da uunaro ki aravis

uyvars, miT umetes, rodesac

qveyanaSi yvela mimarTulebiT

seriozuli riskebi gvaqvs,

rogorc sikvdilis, aseve SimSilis

SiSis kuTxiT. ar dagvaviwydes,

es yvelaferi pandemiis fonze

midis, anu seriozuli gaWirvebaa.

bunebrivia, nebismieri ase-

Ti faqti damatebiTi argumentia

imisa, Tu ratom ar unda darCes

xelisuflebaSi „qarTuli ocneba”.

ase rom, ra Tqma unda, garkveulwilad,

Secvlis arCevnebis

Sedegebs es faqti. TavisTavad,

igi ver gadawyvets arCevnebis

Sedegs, magram rogorc kidev

erTi damatebiTi argumenti xelisuflebis

diskreditaciisTvis,

ra Tqma unda, is gamodgeba.

_ Tqven aRniSneT sikvdilisa

da SimSilis SiSi, romelic ko-

vid 19-ma gamoiwvia. opoziciis

TqmiT, xelisuflebam virusi Se-

gnebulad „miuSva”, rom arCev-

nebze rac SeiZleba naklebi amo-

mrCeveli mivides. xedavT logi-

kas opoziciis braldebaSi?

_ ar mgonia, rom xelisufleba

amas Segnebulad akeTebdes. am

SemTxvevaSic uunarobasTan gvaqvs

saqme imitom, rom maTTvis

bevrad ufro seriozuli dividendebis

momtani iyo krizismenejmenti.

Cven vnaxeT, rom xelisuflebis

reitingi zustad

maSin gaizarda, rodesac is kvalificiurad

marTavda pandemiis

gavrcelebis tempebs, zustad ma-

Sin iyo maTi reitingi maqsimumi.

dRes ki absoluturad miSvebulia

es situacia. Tu viRac „Wkviani”

xelisuflebaSi imaze amyarebs

imeds, rom arCevnebze cota

`Tu viRac `Wkviani~ xelisuflebaSi imaze

amyarebs imeds, rom arCevnebze cota xalxi

miva da TviTon moaxdens sajaro seqtoris

mobilizebas, amiT arCevnebs moigeben, -

vfiqrob, es Zalian uniWo gaTvlaa~

xalxi miva da TviTon moaxdens

sajaro seqtoris mobilizebas,

amiT arCevnebs moigeben, _ vfiqrob,

es Zalian uniWo gaTvlaa.

Teoriulad, gamomdinare iqidan,

rom xelisuflebas standartul

situaciaSi aqvs garkveuli handikapi

(sportul SejibrSi SedarebiT

susti monawilisTvis mocemuli

upiratesoba, _ red.), organizaciuli

da administraciuli

resursis gagebiT, dResac,

principSi, maT es xelSi uWiravT,

magram am fonze aRaranairi garantiebi

ar gaaCniaT, rom sajaro

seqtori daewyoba da maT miscems

xmas. garda amisa, aseT vi-

TarebaSi bevrad ufro kargad

aris mobilizebuli opozicia.

magaliTad, rodesac Cven vuyurebT

„nacionaluri moZraobis”

aqciebs baTumsa Tu quTaisSi,

vxedavT, maTi mxardamWerebi

rogor arian SemarTulebi, isini

ar epuebian da ar ixeven ukan

SiSis pirispir. Sesabamisad, isini

arCevnebze namdvilad wavlen,

zustad viciT, rom maTi 100%

opozicias miscems xmas. „qarTuli

ocneba” did Zalisxmevas

Cadebs da moaxerxebs sajaro seqtoris

mobilizebas, magram vis

miscems sajaro seqtori xmas,

amis aranairi garantia xelisuflebas

ar eqneba. ase rom, es

aris myife upiratesoba.

_ rogorc wesi, adminis-

traciuli resursi swored

mmarTvel gunds emxroba. ra

gaZlevT imis Tqmis safuZvels,

rom xelisuflebas sajaro seq-

toris xmebis miRebis garantia

ar aqvs?

_ rogorc wesi, administraciuli

resursi mmarTvel gunds

aZlevs xmas, magram rodesac Cndeba

gancda, rom xelisufleba

SeiZleba Seicvalos, mocemuloba

icvleba. gagaxsenebT 2012

wels, rodesac xelisuflebis

mimarT saprotesto duRili maqsimumze

mivida, sajaro seqtors

ar miucia xelisuflebisTvis xma.

neitralur viTarebaSi sajaro

seqtori xelisuflebas uWers

mxars da Zalis centrisken ixre-

12

12 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.


skandals vixilavT~

ba, magram Tu Zalis centri kargavs

Tavis mizidulobas am Sem-

TxvevaSi es proporcia ara maT

sasargeblod icvleba. kidev

erTxel dagidasturebT, rom

2012 wels zustad es moxda, magram

xelisuflebam 40%-ian aqtivobaSi

romc miiRos Sedegi,

saqme is gaxlavT, rom 40%-iT

arCeuli Zalaufleba ver iqneba

stabiluri, anu ar iqneba legitimuri

arCevnebis TvalsazrisiT.

Sesabamisad, qveyanaSi daiwyeba

seriozuli ryevebi da Zalian

maRali albaTobiT aseTi xelisufleba

erT welze an weliwad-naxevarze

mets veRar gaatans,

radgan ar eqneba Sesabamisi

legitimacia.

_ Tqven axseneT „nacionaluri

moZraobis” sakmaod mravlricxovani

aqciebi, xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebi ki am-

boben, rom aqciebze distancia

araa daculi da „nacionalur

moZraobas” TavianTi mxardamW-

erebis sicocxlec ki arafrad

uRirT, magram faqtia, rom „na-

cionalebis” mxardamWerebi kovid

19-s ar uSindebian. mmarTveli

gundi sakmaod mSvid wina-

saarCevno kampanias awarmoebs,

riT axsniT maT simSvides?

_ ar mgonia, rom es simSvide

iyos, es ar aris simSvide. mSvidi

isteria arsebobs. (icinis) ar

mgonia, rom isini axla maincdamainc

mSvidad iyvnen. mSvid kampanias

Caatarebs nebismieri xelisufali,

Tu, ra Tqma unda,

opozicia amis saSualebas aZlevs.

opoziciis interesebSia temperaturis

aweva. xelisufals,

miT umetes, roca araferi aqvs

saTqmeli, urCevnia, arCevnebamde

ise miagoros, rom ZiriTad problemebze

naklebi ilaparakos. mxedvelobaSi

maqvs, isev da isev,

ori fundamenturi SiSi, rac aris

xelisuflebis mTavari problema.

xelisuflebis mTavari

problema opozicia ki ar aris,

aramed is, rom adamianebSi Rvivdeba

sikvdilisa da SimSilis

SiSi, am orma SiSma SeiZleba ise-

Ti sinergia Seqmnas, rom walekos

xelisufali. maT es esmiT da,

garkveulwilad, awyobT kidevac,

rodesac opozicia xurdavdeba

xan premier-ministrobis kandidatobaze,

xan kidev ucnaur Temebze,

_ es xelisuflebis interesebSia,

magram es mudmivad ver

gagrZeldeba. Cven vxedavT, rom

axla duRilis temperaturam,

praqtikulad, maqsimums miaRwia,

bolo dReebSi, faqtobrivad, xelisuflebis

yvela koziri gai-

Wra. maTi kozirebi iyo krizismenejmenti,

rac srul absurdad

iqca. ar mgonia, vinmes kidev miaCndes

am qveyanaSi, rom xelisuflebam

krizismenejmentis mxriv

raRac Tvisebebi da unarebi gamoavlina,

piriqiT. meore koziri

iyo garejis Tema, mosaxleobis

yvelaze faqiz grZnobebze

undodaT eTamaSaT, amanac maincdamainc,

simarTle giTxraT, ar

`rodesac Cven vuyurebT `nacionaluri moZraobis~ aqciebs baTumsa Tu

quTaisSi, vxedavT, maTi mxardamWerebi rogor arian SemarTulebi, isini ar

epuebian da ar ixeven ukan SiSis pirispir. Sesabamisad, isini arCevnebze

namdvilad wavlen, zustad viciT, rom maTi 100% opozicias miscems xmas.

`qarTuli ocneba~ did Zalisxmevas Cadebs da moaxerxebs sajaro seqtoris

mobilizebas, magram vis miscems sajaro seqtori xmas, amis aranairi garantia

xelisuflebas ar eqneba. ase rom, es aris myife upiratesoba~

imuSava. Sesabamisad, „qarTul

ocnebas” aRar darCa aranairi

kozirebi. maT realurad am ori

ZiriTadi SiSis gadalaxvis aranairi

gegma ar gaaCniaT da maincdamainc

arc surT amaze saubari.

Sesabamisad, viTareba rTulia.

ra Tqma unda, monopoliuri

resursebi darCaT, rom elementarulad

iyidon arCevnebi im

fonze, rodesac realur Rirseul

alternativas amomrCevels

ver SesTavazebs opozicia. sxva

arguments maT sasargeblod ve-

Rar vxedav.

_ yvelaze sagulisxmo swored

is aris, rom opozicia realur

alternativas mosaxleobas

ver sTavazobs, Tavad sa-

zogadoeba ki Tanxmdeba, rom

xelisufleba unda Seicvalos,

Tumca vin unda movides, amaze

pasuxi ar aqvs. es faqtori iqne-

ba Tu ara xelisuflebisTvis

erT-erTi mniSvnelovnad xe-

lSemwyobi?

_ ra Tqma unda, es xelisuflebis

mokavSirea, radgan opoziciam

Tu ver daumtkica amomrCevels,

rom mas am krizisebis samar-

Tavad xelisuflebaze ukeTesi

gegma aqvs, am SemTxvevaSi amomrCeveli

ifiqrebs, rom azri ar

aqvs opoziciis mxardaWeras. ase

Sexedavs amomrCeveli: cudi uaresiT

Sevcvale an erTi cudi meore

cudiT Sevcvale, _ amiT arc

araferi Seicvlebao. Sesabamisad,

rodesac yidvaze gesaubrebodiT,

zustad es vigulisxme. amomrCeveli

fiqrobs: es ar momwons,

magram alternativa amas arafriT

sjobs, amitom erTjeradi kontraqtiT

gaviyidebi raRac sargebelze,

isev „qarTul ocnebas”

gadavugdeb xmas, _ es sarge-

`1. `qarTuli ocneba~ yvela SemTxvevaSi

pirvel adgilze gava; 2. `nacionaluri

moZraoba~ meore adgilze; 3. parlamentSi

gveyoleba 9-dan 12 partiamde. magram pirveli

adgili `qarTul ocnebas~ xelisuflebis

dakompleqtebis Sanss miscems Tu ara, es

kiTxvis niSnis qveS dgas~

beli SeiZleba iyos nebismieri

proeqti, magaliTad: gzis dageba,

skveris mowyoba, viRacis

dasaqmeba da a. S. yvelaze saintereso

is aris, rom pirvelad

iseTi viTarebaa, rodesac arCevnebamde

erTi kviriT adre sakmaod

seriozuli raodenobis

amomrCevelma jer kidev ar icis,

vis miscems xmas, _ aseTi ucnauri

viTareba arasdros yofila.

_ ra Secvlis am ucnaur vi-

Tarebas arCevnebamde ramdenime

dRiT adre?

_ raRac trigeri Secvlis am

viTarebas. vxedavT, rom sakmaod

skandaluri da SemaSfoTebeli

informaciebi trialebs. albaT,

am dReebSi kidev bevr skandals

vixilavT. es nebismieri Tema Sei-

Zleba gaxdes trigeri imisa, rom

es gadauwyveteli amomrCeveli,

romelic, faqtobrivad, wyvets

dRes arCevnebis beds, gadaixaros

an erT an meore mxares.

rodesac gavrcelda informacia

imis Sesaxeb, Tu rogor arian

specsamsaxurebi CarTulebi ar-

Cevnebis procesSi, aseTma Temebma

SeiZleba sabolood seriozulad

Secvalos suraTi. viTareba

jer kidev bundovania, prognozisganac

ki Tavs Sevikaveb. riT

dasruldeba es yvelaferi, dResac

Zalian Znelia amis Tqma.

_ mesmis, rom prognozis gakeTeba

rTulia, magram dRevan-

deli mocemulobiT risi Tqma

SegiZliaT danamdvilebiT?

_ ramdenime ramis Tqma Sei-

Zleba: 1. „qarTuli ocneba” yvela

SemTxvevaSi pirvel adgilze

gava; 2. „nacionaluri moZraoba”

meore adgilze; 3. parlamentSi

gveyoleba 9-dan 12 partiamde.

magram pirveli adgili „qarTul

ocnebas” xelisuflebis dakompleqtebis

Sanss miscems Tu ara,

es kiTxvis niSnis qveS dgas.

_ dRevandeli mocemulobiT,

opoziciuri koaliciuri mTa-

vroba ramdenad realisturia?

_ Tu raRac sigiJeebi ar gaakeTes,

Zalian advilad warmomidgenia

opoziciuri koalicia.

ubralod, unda moiZebnos formula,

romliTac isini SeZleben

molaparakebas, rac zogadad

saqarTveloSi problematuria.

mqonda kidevac versia, romli-

Tac maT SeuZliaT, iseTi gadawyvetilebebi

miiRon, rom, erTi

mxriv, dakmayofilebuli iqneba

yvela ambicia, meore mxriv, SeZleben

umravlesobis dakompleqtebas.

_ ras gulisxmobs Tqveni ver-

sia?

_ ZiriTadi dava opoziciur

speqtrs Soris aris imaze, Tu vin

iqneba premier-ministri, rac

garkveul uxerxulobas iwvevs. am

SemTxvevaSi SeiZleba im modelis

gamoyeneba, rodesac premier-ministrebi

iqnebian oTxi ZiriTadi

subieqtis mxridan, rotaciuli

principiT SerCeuli, anu Ti-

Toeuli subieqtis premier-ministrobis

kandidati erTwliani

vadiT iqneba daniSnuli, magram

ministrTa kabineti partiuli

wonis mixedviT dakompleqtdeba.

Cven oTxi wlis ganmavlobaSi Sei-

Zleba, am oTxi ZiriTadi subieqtidan

gvyavdes oTxi premieri,

TiTo-TiTo wliT, magram gamomdinare

iqidan, rom zogi partia

mets xmas aiRebs, zogic _ naklebs,

es yvelaferi ministrTa

kabinetze aisaxeba. yvelaze msxvil

partias yvelaze meti ministri

eyoleba, es proporciulad

gadanawildeba. Tu koaliciaSi

oTxze meti subieqti aRmoCnda,

danarCen SedarebiT sust subieqtebze

SeiZleba SeTavazebuli

iyos vice-premieris posti an

romelime seriozuli samsaxuris

xelmZRvanelis posti da a. S. Tu

molaparakebis survili iqneba, es

yovelTvis SesaZlebelia. Tu yvela

isev pozaSi dadga, am SemTxvevaSi

xelisuflebas meore Sansi

eZleva, rom „gaTiSe da ibatones”

principiT isev mRvrie

wyalSi Tevzi daiWiros.

_ „qarTul ocnebas” aqvs Sansi,

koaliciis gareSe umravle-

sobiT darCes xelisuflebaSi?

_ Tqven warmoidgineT, amis

Sansi aqvs. gadauwyveteli amomrCeveli

axla Tavisi arCevanis

formirebas axdens. Tu opoziciam

ver gamoiCina sakmarisi adekvaturoba,

es gadauwyveteli amomrCeveli

erTjeradi kontraqtiT

SeiZleba miubrundes xelisufals.

am SemTxvevaSi xelisufals

Zalauflebis SenarCunebis

Sansi aqvs. es Sansebi yoveld-

Riurad iklebs, magram Teoriuli

Sansi jer kidev arsebobs.

amas emateba isic, rom opoziciis

adekvaturoba, maincdamainc,

sarwmuno ar aris, Tumca bolo

dReebSi, vfiqrob, opozicia ufro

adekvaturia, vidre _ xelisufleba.

faqtobrivad, xelisuflebis

yvela koziri gaiWra da

maTi imedebi ZiriTadi sakvanZo

Temebis Sesaxeb ver realizda.

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

13


òcnebam~ saqarTvelo

arCevnebamde erTi kviriT adre

nene injgia

jer kidev bundovania, ras gadaw-

591 71 39 98

yvets qarTveli amomrCeveli 31

oqtombers.

erTi ram cxadia da sazogadoebis didi nawilic Tanxmdeba

imaze, rom „qarTulma ocnebam” xelisuflebaSi yofnis yve-

lanairi resursi amowura. mosaxleoba cvlilebebs iTxovs,

Tumca aqve Cndeba logikuri kiTxva, _ vin iqneba moqmedi

mmarTveli gundis alternativa?

politologi xaTuna lagaziZe miiCnevs, rom „ukeTesi uam-

ravia opoziciur speqtrSi”.

ra politikuri realobis

winaSe vdgavarT 2020 wlis sapar-

lamento arCevnebamde zustad

erTi kviriT adre? ra SesaZlo

scenariT SeiZleba ganviTardes

movlenebi? rogor unda imoqme-

dos opoziciam?

am da sxva mniSvnelovani Temebis

Sesaxeb „qronika+~ polito-

log xaTuna lagaziZes esaubra:

_ ra gviCvena zugdidSi bankze

Tavdasxmis faqtma? raze mianiS-

nebs is, rom Tavdasxmidan maleve

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebma

mZevlebis politikuri niSniT

dayofa daiwyes?

_ zugdidSi momxdar yaCaRobas

Tu calke ganvixilavT, rogorc

erT movlenas, marTlac gasagebia

„qocebis” ritorika, rom msgavsi

SemTxvevebi yvela qveyanaSi xdeba...

magram Cven am movlenas kompleqsurad

unda SevxedoT. erTi mxriv,

danaSaulebebis im saerTo jaWvSi,

romelsac bolo periodis ganmavlobaSi

yoveldRe vxedavT, 22-23

oqtomberi mxolod amis erTgvari

apogea iyo, rodesac erTi dRis

manZilze ramdenime obieqtis Zarcvis

SemTxveva dafiqsirda. es iyo

zugdidSi momxdari yaCaRobis pirdapiri

gamoZaxili, anu pirveli

Sedegi, rac damnaSavis dausjelobas

mohyveba. cudi magaliTi dominos

principiT gavrceldeba saqarTveloSi

da kriminalis kidev

ufro met aRzevebas moitans. meore,

rac am teraqtma gviCvena, es gacilebiT

ufro saxifaTo da mniSvnelovania,

es aris is, rom „qarTulma

ocnebam” bolomde aixia saxe,

roca mZevlebis segregacia daiwyo

partiuli principiT. xelisuflebis

TvalSi im mZevlis adgilze

varT yvelani, ara mxolod isini,

vinc „nacionaluri moZraobis”

wevrebi arian, aramed saqarTvelos

yvela gansxvavebulad moazrovne

moqalaqe, vinc „qarTul ocnebas”

ar emsaxureba pampersis rolSi.

aseTi moqalaqeebi, daaxloebiT,

70% arian. roca xelisufleba ecada,

am yvelaferSi damnaSaved opozicia

gamoeyvana da xeli Seexoca

misTvis, amis orkestirebul mcdelobas

mTeli 8 saaTis ganmavloba-

Si vxedavdiT, maT Soris, „feisbuqze”

„qarTuli ocnebis” mxardamWeri

botebisa Tu trolebis aqtivobebiT.

amiT xelisuflebam

sakuTari Tavi saqarTvelos sazogadoebis

70%-is miRma daayena.

maT gviTxres, rom kritikul situaciebSi

uars amboben Tavisi konstituciuri

valdebulebis Sesrulebaze,

rom daicvan saqarTvelos

mosaxleobis usafrTxoeba.

„qarTuli ocnebis” xelisufleba-

Si mosvlis pirveli dReebidanve

vxedavdiT, rom „ocnebam” sakuTari

14

591 71 39 98 xaTuna lagaziZe:

nebiT Catexa xidebi sazogadoebasTan,

magram axla davinaxeT, rom

am xidebis Catexvis paralelurad,

sazogadoebis 70% „qarTulma ocnebam”

mtrad gamoacxada. im dRes

zugdidSi situacia rom daZabuliyo

da ase mSvidobianad ar dasrulebuliyo,

ar var darwmunebuli,

„qarTuli ocneba” gansxvavebuli

politikuri Sexedulebebis adamianebs

gadaarCenda Tu ara. amitomac

Cven sxva gza ar dagvrCenia,

garda imisa, rom SevcvaloT is xelisufleba,

romelic pirdapir da

Riad gveubneba, _ aseT situacieb-

Si dagicavT ki ara, yvelafers gavakeTeb

imisTvis, rom Tqven SegaxocoT

xeli da damnaSaveebad gamogiyvanoT.

amitom Cven iZulebulebi

varT, 31 oqtombers wavideT

arCevnebze, SevcvaloT es xelisufleba

da moviyvanoT iseTi

koalicia, romelic Cven winaSe

aRebul valdebulebebs daicavs.

„qarTulma ocnebam” amiT xarakiri

gaikeTa, ara mxolod sazogadoebis

TvalSi da qveynis SigniT,

aramed bolomde gaakvirva dasavleTi.

romeli qveynis WkuaTmyofeli

xelisufleba dauSvebs imas,

rom Riad, misi erT-erTi tvingayinuli

spikeris saxiT gamovides da

Tqvas, rom me ar var kritikulad

moazrovne moqalaqeebis xelisufleba

da nebismier aseT SemTxvevaSi,

mzad var, xeli Sevaxoco

saqarTvelos opoziciurad ganwyobil

mosaxleobas?! faqtobrivad,

es Tqva mamuka mdinaraZem da Cven

gavxdiT mowme imisa, rom saqarTvelos

xelisufleba gagania teraqtis

dros SeTqmulebas awyobda

sakuTari xalxis winaaRmdeg. mar-

Tla yvelafers warmovidgendi,

magram amaTi sibece da sibriyve Tu

am zomamde mividoda, rom xelisufleba

arCevnebamde 10 dRiT adre,

im dros, roca bankSi yaCaRia Sesuli

da mZevlebi hyavs ayvanili,

daiwyebda SeTqmulebebis inicirebas

sakuTari sazogadoebis winaa-

Rmdeg, verafriT vifiqrebdi. sabednierod,

es SeTqmuleba Cavarda,

magram es Sedegobrivad arafers

cvlis. amiT „qarTulma ocnebam”

ganukurnebeli diagnozi dausva

sakuTar Tavs da xelic moawera

mas. aseve am movlenebma aCvena, rom

„qarTuli ocneba” kedelTanaa miyenebuli.

aseTi xelisufleba Cvennairi

tipis _ naxevrad avtoritar

saxelmwifoebSi _ Zalian saSiSia,

radgan amaze didi sisuleleebi

SeiZleba gaakeTos arCevnebamde

darCenil dReebSi. amitomac unda

viyoT maqsimalurad frTxilad da

fxizlad. velodebi, rom uaxloes

dReebSi „qarTuli ocneba” did

sibinZureebs amoagdebs da sazogadoeba,

media, politikuri speqtri

`qarTuli

ocneba~

kedelTanaa

miyenebuli!~

unda iyos maqsimalurad mobilizebuli,

rom am sibinZurem ar moaxerxos

ukanmouxedavad dakarguli

xelisuflebis „qarTuli ocnebisTvis”

nawilobriv mainc dabruneba.

zugdidSi momxdari yaCaRobis

Semdeg „qarTuli ocnebis” mier

arCevnebis mogebis Sansi ganulda.

Tumca „ocneba” ar Seegueba am realobas

da ecdeba, arCevnebis bolo

kviras kidev ufro Rrma

sibinZureebi amoitanos zedapirze

opoziciis diskreditebis mizniT.

arCevnebis Sedegebi realurad

damokidebuli iqneba imaze, Tu ra

saxis masalebs an provokacias vixilavT.

ras daupirispirebs maT opozicia

da ramdenad mdgradi iqneba

sazogadoeba ukve Cveuli feiksibinZureebisa

da xelisuflebis

provokaciebis mimarT? garda amisa,

„ocnebam” ukanmouxedavad dakarga

Camouyalibebeli amomrCevlis

xmebi, romelsac kbilis wakwakiT

Sehyurebda, erTi mxriv, xelisufleba,

meore mxriv ki _

opozicia. maT dainaxes mmarTveli

gundis ususuroba. dainaxes isic,

rom es aris xelisufleba, romelic

gansxvavebulad moazrovne sakuTari

moqalaqeebis winaaRmdeg

SeTqmulebebis provocirebas gegmavda

da kritikul situaciebSi sazogadoebas

partiuli niSniT hyofda.

am SemTxvevaSi mxolod „nacionaluri

moZraobis” wevrebze

ar aris saubari, am xelisuflebisTvis

Tanabrad miuRebelia nebismieri

gansxvavebulad moazrovne

moqalaqe.

_ ramdenad iazrebs mmarTveli

gundi Seqmnil realobas da

rogor fiqrobT, aqvs Tu ara mas

resursi, rom axla mainc imoqme-

dos adekvaturad?

_ mTlad iseTi wyalwaRe-

`sazogadoebis 70% `qarTulma ocnebam~ mtrad

gamoacxada. im dRes zugdidSi situacia rom

daZabuliyo da ase mSvidobianad ar

dasrulebuliyo, ar var darwmunebuli,

`qarTuli ocneba~ gansxvavebuli politikuri

Sexedulebebis adamianebs gadaarCenda Tu ara.

amitomac Cven sxva gza ar dagvrCenia, garda

imisa, rom SevcvaloT is xelisufleba,

romelic pirdapir da Riad gveubneba, - aseT

situaciebSi dagicavT ki ara, yvelafers

gavakeTeb imisTvis, rom Tqven SegaxocoT xeli

da damnaSaveebad gamogiyvanoT~

bulebic ar arian, rom realoba

ver dainaxon. isini xedaven Seqmnil

realobas, amitomac veli maTgan

morig sibinZures, romelsac

arCevnebamde darCenil droSi vixilavT.

Cven yvelam kargad unda

gaviazroT is, razedac ukve vrclad

visaubre da 31 oqtombers

unda SevcvaloT „qarTuli ocnebis”

xelisufleba.

_ „qarTuli ocneba” ki cdi-

lobda bankze Tavdasxmidan pir-

velive saaTebSi mZevlebis politikuri

niSniT dayofas da raRacnairad

„nacionaluri moZraobisken”

iSverda xels, magram gaCnda

mosazreba, Tavad xelisufle-

bam xom ar moawyo es Tavdasxma,

Tundac imitom, rom zugdidSi

dagegmili gaerTianebuli opoziciis

masStaburi aqcia gadaefar-

aT da, paralelurad, provokacia

moewyoT nika gvaramiasTvis, rom-

elsac mZevali Tavdamsxmelis mo-

TxovniT ukavSirdeboda? Tan spe-

cialistebi aRniSnaven, rom Tavd-

amsxmelis daWera SesaZlebeli

iyo. aqedan gamomdinare, fiqrobT

Tu ara, rom xelisuflebas awyob-

da Tavdasxmis ase inscenireba?

_ ar SemiZlia, am logikas gavyve,

magram erT rames dabejiTebiT

getyviT: roca sazogadoebis erTi

nawili uSvebs, rom msgavsi tipis

Zarcva, yaCaRoba, teraqtis mcdeloba

Tavad xelisuflebam dadga,

im xelisuflebis saqme, ubralod,

wasulia. rogor warmogidgeniaT,

rom sazogadoebis raRac nawili,

romelSic mxolod „nacionaluri

moZraobis” mxardamWerebi ar Sedian,

uSvebs imis albaTobas, rom mas

hyavs teroristi xelisufleba?! es

moimko „qarTulma ocnebam” am

wlebis ganmavlobaSi, es aris aq

mTavari da ara is, idga Tu ara am

Tavdasxmis ukan „qarTuli ocneba”.

xalxis garkveul nawils xom

sjera, rom amis ukan SeiZleba, xelisufleba

mdgariyo. vfiqrob,

rom sakuTari tyavis gadasarCenad

aucileblad daakaveben viRacas:

zugdidis teraqtSi realur damnaSaves

Tu ver daiWeren, viRacas

aiZuleben sakuTar Tavze danaSaulis

aRebas. sxva gamosavali „oc-

14 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.


soflis orRobed aqcia~

nebas” ar aqvs. Tu „ocneba” feiqdamnaSaves

SemogvTavazebs, amis

amocnoba ar iqneba rTuli, radgan

realuri damnaSave marTalia niRbiT,

magram pirdapir eTerSi vnaxeT,

mas mkafiod da didxans uCanda

Tvalebi. erT-erTi mZevali ambobs,

rom aseTi feris Tvalebi ar minaxavso.

ar aris gamoricxuli, linzebi

keTeboda, magram mainc misi

identificireba Tvalis WriliTa

da formiT SesaZlebeli iqneba. amitom

roca „ocneba” damnaSaves SemogvTavazebs,

misi feikobis

garkveva, didwilad, mediaze iqneba

damokidebuli.

_ arCevnebamde, sul raRac, 1

kvira rCeba. vxedavT, rom sax-

elisuflebo mediis dakveTiT

Catarebuli kvlevebi radikalurad

gansxvavdeba opoziciuri mediis

kvlevebisgan. risi Tqma Seg-

viZlia am kvlevebis mixedviT da

rogor Secvlis maCveneblebs zug-

didSi momxdari faqti?

_ „imedis” dakveTiT Catarebul

kvlevebs ar vecnobi, azrs ver vxedav.

garda imisa, rasac Cven eTerebSi

vxedavT, wvdoma gvaqvs kvlevebis

nedl masalasTanac. daaxloebiT

ori kviris win, sanam zugdidis

faqti moxdeboda, „qarTuli

ocnebis” reitingi 35%-s ar scdeboda,

aseve maRali iyo Camouyalibebeli

amomrCevlis procentic.

dabejiTebiT SemiZlia giTxraT,

rom axla araTu ver gadascdeba

35%-s, sagrZnoblad daiklebs.

dRevandeli mocemulobiT Semi-

Zlia giTxraT, rom 25 oqtombers

rom arCevnebi Catarebuliyo, „ocneba”

katastrofulad waagebda.

vnaxoT, ras amoagdebs „ocneba”

bolo kviris ganmavlobaSi.

Tumca „ocnebis” mier dakarguli

xmebi ar niSnavs avtomaturad

opoziciis mier SeZenil xmebs. yvelaze

uaresi versia iqneba, amomrCevlebi

saxlSi rom darCnen im

mizeziT, opoziciaSic ver dainaxon

situaciis gaumjobesebis resursi.

opoziciisTvis arCevnebamde

darCenili es erTi kvira sasicocxlod

mniSvnelovania: am erT kvira-

Si opoziciam yvelaferi unda gaakeTos,

rom amomrCeveli erT rame-

Si darwmundes _ am SemTxvevaSi,

saqarTvelosTvis koaliciuri

mTavroba gadarCenis realuri Sansia.

es koaliciuri xelisufleba

imiTac aris kargi, rom Zalian ma-

Rali donis konkurencia iqneba

Tavad xelisuflebis SigniT,

agreTve korufcia aRmoifxvreba,

radgan xelisuflebaSi myofi sxvadasxva

politikuri Zala erTmaneTsac

gaakontrolebs da es aris

umniSvnelovanesi. kidev erT rame-

Si unda daarwmunos opoziciam sazogadoeba,

rom es aris unikaluri

arCevnebi, radgan amomrCevlis arc

erTi xma ar daikargeba. magaliTad,

Tu wina arCevnebze amomrCeveli

fiqrobda: ra azri aqvs arCevnebze

misvlas, me 3%-iani partia momwons,

imas arc barieris gadalaxvis da

miT ufro, arc xelisuflebaSi

mosvlis Sansi aqvso, _ dRes ase ar

aris, radikalurad gansxvavebuli

viTarebaa, radgan 2%-ian partiasac

aqvs iseTive Sansi, rogoric

20%-ian partias, rom saxelisufl-

àm ukiduresad mZime mdgomareobaSi, wina kviras gamogvicxades, rom erTi

dRis ganmavlobaSi 1795 dainficirebulSi 130 medpersonalia da, amave

dros, gveubnebian, rom noembris Sua ricxvebSi dainficrebulTa dRiuri

rodenoba 4000-mde avao, proporciulad rom gadavTvaloT, noembris Sua

ricxvebSi dRiurad, minimum, 300 dainficirebuli medpersonali gveyoleba.

es imas niSnavs, rom ramdenime TveSi Cven davdgebiT sruli erovnuli

katastrofis winaSe~

ebo Zalis warmomadgeneli gaxdes,

anu Sevides saxelisuflebo koaliciaSi.

ase rom, yvela amomrCevels

SeuZlia hqondes imedi, rom

misTvis sasurveli partia SeiZleba

gaxdes xelisuflebis warmomadgeneli

da daicvas misi interesebi.

es unda miitanos opoziciam

amomrCevlamde. da Tu isini amas

ver moaxerxeben, me viqnebi erTerTi

pirveli, vinc arCevnebis Semdeg

gamova da ityvis, rom „qarTul

ocnebasTan” erTad es opoziciac

unda wavides.

am ukiduresad mZime mdgomareobaSi,

wina kviras gamogvicxades,

rom erTi dRis ganmavlobaSi 1795

dainficirebulSi 130 medpersonalia

da, amave dros, gveubnebian,

rom noembris Sua ricxvebSi dainficrebulTa

dRiuri rodenoba

4000-mde avao, proporciulad rom

gadavTvaloT, noembris Sua ricxvebSi

dRiurad, minimum, 300 dainficirebuli

medpersonali gveyoleba.

es imas niSnavs, rom ramdenime

TveSi Cven davdgebiT sruli

erovnuli katastrofis winaSe,

roca aTiaTasobiT koroniT daavadebuls,

ubralod, medikosi-momvleli

ar eyoleba. „qarTulma

ocnebam” realurad dakarga is

dro, roca SeeZlo gadaemzadebina

samedicino universitetis studentebi

an pensiaSi gasuli samedicino

muSakebi, samedicino resursis

sruli mobilizacia gamoecxadebina.

amitom, dRes Tu ara xval,

Cven am xelisuflebis xelSi davdgebiT

sruli erovnuli katastrofis

_ faqtobrivad, genocidis safrTxis

winaSe.

_ Tqven yuradReba gaamaxvileT

dainficirebulTa

rekordul

maCvenebelze, romelic dRiTi

dRe izrdeba. opozicia acxadebs,

rom xelisufleba kovid 19-s sakuTari

politikuri interesebi-

`Tu òcneba~ feiqdamnaSaves SemogvTavazebs, amis

amocnoba ar iqneba rTuli, radgan realuri

damnaSave marTalia niRbiT, magram pirdapir

eTerSi vnaxeT, mas mkafiod da didxans uCanda

Tvalebi. erT-erTi mZevali ambobs, rom aseTi

feris Tvalebi ar minaxavso. ar aris

gamoricxuli, linzebi keTeboda, magram mainc

misi identificireba Tvalis WriliTa da

formiT SesaZlebeli iqneba~

sTvis iyenebs; rom xelisuflebis

mizania, rac SeiZleba naklebi

amomrCeveli mivides kenWisyris

dRes; aseve opoziciis garkveuli

nawili fiqrobs, rom xelisufle-

bam Segnebulad miuSva kovid 19.

iziarebT am pozicias?

_ xelisuflebas Caketva axla

ar awyobs. dRes ki amboben, rom

araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar gamovacxadebT

sagangebo mdgomareobaso,

magram Wkua dauSliT Tu sindisi?

isini Tuki wavidnen arCevnebis masobriv

gayalbebaze da xalxi qu-

CaSi gamovida, aucileblad Cagvketaven.

magram garwmunebT, rom es

maT arafers uSvelis, radgan mouwevT

an masobrivi dajarimebebi, an

administraciuli wesiT masobrivad

adamianebis dakavebebi da darbevebi.

es ki uaress Sedegs gamoi-

Rebs. uamravi xalxia dakavebuli

administraciuli wesiT winaswari

dakavebis izolatorebSi, sadac es

adamianebi aucileblad daavaddebian

kovid 19-iT, kidev ufro

metad moimatebs inficirebulTa

ricxvi da amaze aucileblad agebs

pasuxs „qarTuli ocneba”. aravis

hqondes iluzia, rom Tu „ocnebam”

axla arCevnebis gayalbeba da Semdeg

protestis CaxSoba moaxerxa,

es mas SerCeba da is mSvidobianad

gadaagorebs socialur, samedicino,

ekonomikur Tu politikur

kriziss, romelic kidev ufro dam-

Zimdeba arCevnebis gayalbebisa da

protestis Zaladobrivi gziT Cax-

Sobis SemTxvevaSi, _ es ubralod

ar SerCebaT! amitomac maT keTilgonierebas

unda mouxmon, rom aRiaron

arCevnebis is Sedegebi, romelic

31 oqtombers daideba. manamde,

ra Tqma unda, maqsimalurad

ecdebian, rom xalxi saarCevno ubnebTan

ar miuSvan sxvadasxva meTodis,

maT Soris, kriminalebis gamoyenebiT.

kriminaluri fonis gazrdis

erT-erTi mTavari mizezic

swored es aris, rom xelisufleba

winasaarCevnod kriminals, rogorc

iaraRs, iyenebs sazogadoebaze zewolisTvis

da masze samuSaod. xelisuflebam

Tavisi resursi amowura,

danarCeni opoziciazea damokidebuli,

ramdenad daarwmunebs

igi xalxs.

_ faqtia, rom dRes ukve sazo-

gadoebis mxridan „qarTuli ocnebisa”

da biZina ivaniSvilis mimarT

Warb ndobaze saubari zedme-

tia. Tqveni SefasebiT rogoria

dRevandeli mocemulobiT ndobis

maCvenebeli?

_ „qarTulma ocnebam” ndobis

yvelanairi resursi amowura,

rogorc qarTul sazogadoebaSi,

aseve _ dasavleTSi. ase rom, sasicocxlo

aucileblobaa am xelisuflebis

Secvla. „feisbuqSi” Cems

postebze „qarTuli ocnebis” mxardamWerebis

komentarebi mxvdeba, _

es xelisufleba rom wavides, uke-

Tesi vin movao? ukeTesi uamravia

opoziciur speqtrSi. am SemTxveva-

Si ar gamovyof romelime konkretul

partias. koalicia swored imiT

aris momxibvleli da gamarTlebuli,

rom bevri „qarTul ocnebaze”

ukeTesi moxvdeba xelisuflebaSi

da maTi erToblivi saqmianobiT

miviRebT gacilebiT karg

Sedegs. arCevnebamde darCenili

erTi kvira opoziciis testia. darwmunebuli

var, rom „qarTulma

ocnebam” romc gabedos arCevnebis

gayalbeba da protestis Zaladobis

gziT CaxSoba, mas Zalaufleba

mainc ar SerCeba, amitom sazogadoebisa

da saxelmwifos interes-

Sia, racionalurad miudgnen arCevnebis

Sedegebs da im cifrebs, rasac

miiReben. xom SeiZleba, 8 wlis

manZilze erTxel mainc moiqcnen

Rirseulad?!

8 wlis winaT veravin warmoidgenda,

rom dRes „qarTuli ocnebis”

xelisuflebidan wasasvlelad

vibrZolebdi. bevr sxva mizezTan

erTad, upirvelesad, rasac ar vapatieb

„ocnebis” xelisuflebas,

aris is, rom „ocnebam” saqarTvelo

aqcia soflis orRobed, ruseTis

davalebiT daukarga saerTaSoriso

arenaze mniSvnelovani adgilis

dakavebis perspeqtiva da mousavleTisken

miaqanebs, maSin rodesac

regionSi epoqaluri Zvrebi midis:

putini acxadebs, rom azerbaijanma

unda daibrunos dakarguli

teritoriebi, trampi somxeTis mimarT

simpaTias amJRavnebs, maik

pompeo azerbaijanisa da somxeTis

sagareo saqmeTa ministrebTan Sexvedris

mere acxadebs, rom yarabaRis

konfliqti unda gadaiWras

saxelmwifoTa teritoriuli mTlianobis

principiT da meore mxriv,

erTa TviTgamorkvevis principis

dacviT; TurqeTi da ukraina strategiul

mokavSireobaze Tanxmdebian,

alievi acxadebs, rom ukve

daiwyo fiqri somxeTis saerTa-

Soriso proeqtebis CarTvaze yarabaRis

konfliqtis gadaWris mere.

da am dros saqarTvelos beCavi xelisufleba

sakuTari sazogadoebis

winaaRmdeg SeTqmulebis mowyobiT

da saqarTvelos Rrma WaobSi

CaflobiT aris dakavebuli: amasobaSi

saqarTvelo Tavis unikalur

Sanss kargavs _ msoflios politikis

periferiobisTvis iwireba

da regionuli Cixis rols unda

dasjerdes. amitom wavideT arCevnebze

da ar mivceT saSualeba, rom

Cemi Svili, Tqveni Svilebi da saqarTvelos

momavali rusuli „ocnebis”

mZevlebad iqcnen.

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

15


`koronis gavrcelebas

adrian gazafxulze, roca ko-

Sorena marsagiSvili

roniT inficirebulebis raodeno-

599 92 16 22

ba dRe-RameSi 7-8 kacs ar aRemate-

boda, xelisufleba gveubneboda,

rom Zalian mZime mdgomareoba iyo. axla inficirebulTa raode-

noba sagangaSoze metia, magram „ocneba” gvaimedebs, rom Wmunvi-

sa da Relvis sababi ar gvaqvs. aseTi damokidebuleba „qarTuli

dasis” lider jondi baRaTuriasTvis gaugebaria.

jondi baRaTuria:

`bokeriasa da

ratom iTxovda saakaSvilis

winaaRmdeg impiCmentis proce-

duris dawyebas? ratom unda

davujeroT daviT xidaSelis

Camotanil rukebs? ratom dumda

amdeni xani „qarTuli ocne-

ba” daviTgarejis Temaze? ratom

aris pasuxismgebeli xelisu-

fleba imaze, rac axla koronav-

irusTan dakavSirebiT xdeba? _

am Temebis Sesaxeb „qronika+~-s

jondi baRaTuria esaubreba:

_ jondi, koronavirusiT in-

ficirebulTa raodenoba mkveTrad

izrdeba. aris eWvi, rom xe-

lisufleba xelovnurad zrdis

inficirebulTa raodenobas da

es arCevnebs ukavSirdeba. Tqven

ras fiqrobT amasTan dakavSire-

biT?

_ SeTqmulebebis Teoriebis

naklebad mjera, magram faqtia,

rom xelisuflebis danaSaulebrivi

Secdomis Sedegia virusis

ukontrolod gavrceleba.

_ kerZod, ra aris xelisu-

flebis danaSauli?

_ gazafxulze mTavrobam, ma-

Sin roca mTel msoflioSi pandemia

mZvinvarebda, ekonomikis

aRmdgenlad gamoacxada turizmi.

im qveynebTan gaxsna sazRvrebi,

romlebic wiTel zonebad

iyvnen gamocxadebuli. magali-

Tad germaniisa da safrangeTis

moyvanac SeiZleba. Cveni xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebi iseTi

dakompleqsebulebi arian, rom

evropuli virusic ki kargi hgoniaT.

_ arada, korona sulac araa

evropuli, es Cinuri Wiria.

_ koronavirusi Cinuria, amerikuli

Tu afrikuli, jer kaciSvilma

ar icis. saqarTvelos xelisuflebas

daagvianda, magram

sworad moiqca, roca sazRvrebi

daketa. amis wyalobiT dReSi 7-8

SemTxvevaze meti ar iyo. amis fonze

sruliad araadekvaturi gadawyvetileba

miiRo, roca Tqva,

rom turizmi aRadgenda Cvens

ekonomikas. yvelaze metad virusma

aWaraSi ifeTqa, sadac zafxulSi

koncerti koncertze

tardeboda. koncertebze ewyoboda

diskoTekebi. aseT dros

adamianebi mWidrod arian erTmaneTTan,

daxuruli sivrcea da

uhaerobaa.

_ pirbadec aravis ekeTa.

_ pirbadeebs axla ar ikeTebs

xalxi da zafxulSi diskoTekaze

pirbadiT vin icekvebda? am garemoebas

aravin miaqcia yuradReba

da ifeTqa kidec koronam. es

pirdapir mTavrobis kiserzea.

_ Tqveni azriT, sazRvrebi

rom ar gagvexsna, msgavsi ar

moxdeboda? ucxoeTidan turistebi

didi raodenobiT ar Se-

mosulan.

_ saqmec eg aris, rom ucxoeTidan

bevri aravin Camosula.

turizmis ekonomikuri Sedegebi

nulis toli iyo, magram CamomsvlelTa

mcire raodenoba sakmarisi

aRmoCnda imisTvis, rom inficirebulTa

raodenoba gazrdiliyo.

_ Sida turizms araviTari

wvlili ar miuZRvis situaciis

afeTqebaSi?

_ rogor ar miuZRvis! amdeni

koncerti da Ramis klubebis gaxsna

ar SeiZleboda. Ramis klubebia

virusis gavrcelebis mTavari

kera. mTavroba dResac xels uwyobs

virusis gavrcelebas.

_ axla ranairad uwyobs

xels?

_ 19 oqtombers umaRles saswavleblebSi

swavla ganaxlda. es

im dros, roca inficirebulTa

raodenobam 1000-s gadaaWarba.

dauSvebelia daxurul sivrceSi

30-40 adamianis jdoma. iqidan

erTsac rom hqondes korona, yvelas

gadaedeba. ra gadawyvetilebebs

Rebulobs es xelisufleba,

warmodgena ar maqvs.

_ iseT raRacebs akeTeben,

TiTqos undaT, rom virusi

gavrceldes.

_ arafers gamovricxav, magram

ar minda imis dajereba, rom es

yvelaferi arCevnebs ukavSirdeba.

araseriozuladac ki JRers

imis mtkiceba, rom saarCevnod

avrceleben viruss, magram isic

faqtia, rom virusis gavrceleba

maTi danaSaulebrivi Secdomis

Sedegia. virusis aseTma gavrcelebam

moitana isic, rom mTavrobam

ndoba dakarga. „qarTul

ocnebas” xalxi aRar endoba. es

normluri reaqciaa. roca 7-8

SemTxveva iyo dReSi, manqanebiT

gadaadgilebac ki akrZales. vnebis

kviraSi saerTod saSineli

raRacebi gaakeTes.

jojoxeTuri xmiT acxadebdnen,

litaniobaze ar waxvideT, ar

eziaroTo. axla dReSi ramdenime

aTasi inficirebulia da mSvidad

gveubnebian, arCevnebi Catardebao.

aseT dros adamiani rogor-

Ra unda gendos? aRdgomis Rames

komendantis saaTi gamoacxades,

xolo roca arCevnebi moaxlovda,

sveticxovlobaze wavidnen,

eklesiaSi uamravi adamiani SeuSves.

pirbade TiTqmis aravis eke-

Ta.

Zalian cudia, roca xelisufleba

eSmakad gadaiqceva da Sens

tradiciebs, religias da istorias

ebrZvis. aRdgomis win Zalian

CaiWrnen, manamde kargad iqceodnen,

rogorc moralurad, aseve

profesionalurad, magram aRdgomis

win yvelaferi wyalSi

gadayares. maSin davwere kidec

socialur qselSi, rom amis gamo

mTavroba ndobas dakargavda. ase

agixdaT yvelaferi kargi. marTla

fantastikis sferodan aris,

rom korona eklesiebSi vrceldeba

da Ramis klubebSi _ ara.

_ gindaT TqvaT, rom viRaceb-

ma korona eklesiasTan sabrZo-

lvelad gamoiyenes?

_ amis Tqma Zalian ar minda,

magram iqidan gamomdinare, rac

xelisuflebam gaakeTa, aseTi

STabeWdileba darCa. sxva ra

STabeWdileba unda dagrCes,

roca Seni mTavroba aRdgomis

Rames eklesiaSi ar gagiSvebs?

Zalian arakoreqtuli gancxadebebi

keTdeboda, maTi gaxsenebac

ki ar minda.

_ ra gancxadebebze saub-

robT, paata imnaZem rom gvi-

Txra, aRdgomis Rames eklesie-

bSi Tu wavalT, kuboebs ver

daviTvliTo?

vliTo?

_ am gancxadebis avtori dRem-

saakaSvils

Ralati

aerTianebs~

de televiziebSi zis da sulac

ar rcxvenia imis gamo, rac gaakeTa.

bodiSic ar mouxdia.

_ 7-8 SemTxvevaze ase dagvz-

afra da axla Zalian mSvidad

saubrobs.

_ axla imitom aris mSvidad,

rom arCevnebia moaxloebuli.

amaTi wyalobiT katastrofulad

gaizarda im xalxis raodenoba,

visac am virusis arseboba

ar sjera. iciT, ramdeni adamiani

meubneba, rom koronis ar sjera.

me mjera, rom korona arsebobs

da arc imaSi mepareba eWvi, rom

inficirebulTa raodenoba dRe-

RameSi 1000-s aWarbebs. amis miuxedavad

ar gamovricxav, rom

cifrebi xelovnurad iyos gazrdili.

inficirebulTa raodenobis

xelovnuri gazrda awyobs

rogorc „qarTul ocnebas”, aseve

„nacionalur moZraobas”.

_ magaliTad?

_ es mosaxleobas daapanikebs

da bevri ar wava arCevnebze. „na-

`jojoxeTuri xmiT acxadebdnen, litaniobaze

ar waxvideT, ar eziaroTo. axla dReSi

ramdenime aTasi inficirebulia da mSvidad

gveubnebian, arCevnebi Catardebao. aseT dros

adamiani rogorRa unda gendos? aRdgomis

Rames komendantis saaTi gamoacxades, xolo

roca arCevnebi moaxlovda, sveticxovlobaze

wavidnen, eklesiaSi uamravi adamiani SeuSves.

pirbade TiTqmis aravis ekeTa~

cionalur moZraobasa” da „qarTul

ocnebas” aqvT imis saSualeba,

rom momxreebis mobilizeba

moaxdinon. sxva xalxi saxlSi

darCeba, eseni Tavis momxreebs

miiyvanen da Zalauflebasac Tavad

gadainawileben.

_ dRes „qarTuli ocneba”

aqtiurad saubrobs daviTgarejis

Temaze. arada, xelisufle-

baSi yofnis 8 wlis manZilze es

mtkivneuli sakiTxi arasdros

gaxsenebiaT.

_ gasuli saukunis 80-iani

wlebidan mTeli axalgazrdoba

da erovnuli moZraoba davdiodiT

garejaSi. iq samxedro

poligoni iyo mowyobili da mis

gauqmebas viTxovdiT. arasdros

mdgaran azerbaijanelebi qeds

zeviT. arc erT azerbaijanel

Cinovniks yvelaze borot sizmarSic

ki ar daesizmreboda is,

rom odesme qeds zeviT amosuliyvnen.

samwuxarod, is, rac sizmarSic

SeuZlebeli Canda, 2007

wels realobad iqca. Cvens teritoriaze

idgnen yovelTvis

azerbaijanelebi, magram CiCxituris

200-300 metris iqiT,

ufro axlos ar modiodnen.

2007 wels, roca qedze pirvelad

amovidnen da aq ambavi atyda,

gveubnebodnen, demilitaciademarkaciis

procesi midis da

viTarebas nu gavamwvavebTo. arc

gamwvavebula, radganac azerbaijanelebi

aravis uSlidnen

xels da verc ki mixvdeboda kaci,

saerTod ratom idgnen iq. 2012

wels iq ukve SearaRebuli mesazRvreebi

Cadgnen da momlocvelebi

aRar gaatares. mTeli

5 weli xom Cumad iyvnen da

2012 wels gviTxres, es Cveni teritoriaa

da ar giSvebTo.

roca momlocvelebi ar gaatares,

maSin jer kidev parlamentis

wevri viyavi. es rom gavige,

parlamentis sxdomaze gavakeTe

gancxadeba. erTi ambavi atyda, _

ra gancxadebebs akeTebo?! kinaRam

qveynis mtrad gamomacxades.

aman ver gamaCera da „qarTuli

dasis” organizebiT daviTgarejisken

movawyveT msvleloba.

am msvlelobaSi ramdenime

aTasi adamiani monawileobda.

16

16 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.


`qarTuli ocneba~ uwyobs xels~

iqidan dabrunebis Semdeg daviwye

prezidentis impiCmentis procedura.

amis Sesaxebac parlamentis

tribunidan gavakeTe gancxadeba.

isic ganvmarte, Tu ratom

daviwye es procedura. im dRes,

roca azerbaijanelebma SeuzRudes

qarTvelebs garejaSi gadasvlis

ufleba, saakaSvili dasasveneblad

gadafrinda italiaSi

da iq iSopinga kidevac. Cvenma momxreebma

gadaiRes, Tu rogor yidulobda

is ZviradRirebul

saaTs.

_ eg cnobili fotoa da mag

dRes TbilisSi, orTaWalaSi,

wyaldidobam ramdenime adamiani

imsxverpla.

_ wyaldidoba daemTxva am ambavs

da ase daiwyo impiCmentis

procedura. minda, yvelam naxos

es kadrebi da moisminos is,

rasac „nacionalebi” meubnebian.

isini dazepirebuli frazebiT

saubrobdnen da razec apelirebdnen,

SemdegSi gaakeTes kidec.

Tqves, _ Cveni sizRvari yovelTvis

qeds qveviT iyoo. warmodgenac

ar hqondaT, ras ambobdnen.

isini garejaSic ki ar iyvnen namyofi.

Cven gasuli saukunis 80-

iani wlebidan davdiodiT da vicodT,

rom azerbaijanelebi

arasdros amodiodnen qedze.

Cveni mezoblebi axal istorias

weren da undaT, rom albanuri

kulturis memkvidreebad

gamoacxadon Tavi. gasagebia, rom

istoriis galamazeba undaT, magram

imaze ar gvifiqria, ra moxdeba,

erT dRes Cven Soris omi

rom daiwyos? amaT xelSia strategiuli

simaRle. azerbaijani

Tu Cemi strategiuli partnioria,

ar mesmis, ratom cdilobs

Cemi teritoriebis xarjze raRac

upiratesoba moipovos? gareji

CvenTvis mxolod geografiuli

erTeuli araa, es adgili

Cveni sulierebaa. jer saerTod

ratom unda daTmo Seni miwa da

gansakuTrebiT im SemTxvevaSi,

Tu viRac daJinebiT iTxovs im

adgils? es imas niSnavs, rom raRacas

ar gamoricxaven. aba, ratom

undaT am strategiuli simaRlis

xelSi Cagdeba? wina xelisufleba

amaSi Cvens mezobel saxelmwifos

Zalian daexmara.

_ gavigeT, rom „nacionale-

bma” cudi saqme Caidines, magram

ratom dumda aqamde „qarTuli

ocneba”? mecxre weli daiwyo,

rac xelisuflebis saTaveSi ar-

ian da axla gaaxsendaT gareja?

_ qarTul sazogadoebaSi

dRes es kiTxva yvelaze aqtualuri

unda iyos. informacia

imis Sesaxeb, rom „nacionalebma”

Ralati Caidines, yvelas hqonda.

bolos da bolos, sajarod miviTxove

saakaSvilis impiCmenti da

mas RalatSi vdebdi brals. informacia

imis Sesaxebac arsebobda,

rom maT amaSi fuli hqondaT

aRebuli.

_ egre bevr vinmeze SeiZleba

imis Tqma, rom fuli aiRo.

_ amis damamtkicebeli masalebi

maqvs da pirdapir SemiZlia

àmis garkveva Zneli ar aris. am rukaze nebismiers SeuZlia imis danaxva,

rom am rukis mixedviT saqarTvelos saxelmwifo sazRvari bevrad Sors

gadis, vidre CiCxitura da udabnoa~

giTxraT, Tu ra dividendebi miiRes

„nacionalebma” saxelmwifo

RalatSi.

_ Tu SegiZliaT amis Tqma,

gviTxariT.

_ saakaSvilma da misma garemocvam

Ralatis sanacvlod „sokarjorjiaSi”

miiRes wilebi. saubaria

43%-ze. am aqciebs akontrolebda

aleko xeTaguri, romelic

„nacionalebis” dros qveynis

energetikis ministri iyo. es yvelaferi

dukumenturad aris dadasturebuli.

_ sadac araviTar SemTxveva-

Si ar iqneba Cawerili, rom amis

da amis gulisTvis akontro-

lebs aqciebs aleko xeTaguri.

_ amas vin Cawerda, magram

risTvis arsebobs prokuratura?

am organom unda gamoikvlios, ra

damsaxurebisTvis miiRes „nacionalebma”

„sokar-jorjiaSi” wilebi.

saakaSvili da bokeria xom

erTmaneTs RrRnian, magram rogorc

ki garejaze midgeba saqme,

erTnairi mesijboqsebiT saubroben.

maT Ralati da danaSauli

aerTianebs. SeuiaraRebeli TvaliTac

ki naTlad Cans, rom isini

RalatiT miRebul investiciebs

icaven.

_ Tu es asea, ratom arafers

ambobs amaze „qarTuli ocneba”?

„ocnebis” bevri lideri im dros

bobola „naci” iyo da maT gareSe

es saqme ar Caivlida.

_ meeWveba, rom ar scodnodaT.

Tu ar icodnen, waikiTxaven

„qronika+”-s da gaigeben. marTalia,

respondenti var, magram

erTi kiTxvis dasmis ufleba mec

maqvs. vekiTxebi Tqvens mkiTxvels,

_ im kacs ar hqvia saqarTvelos

moRalate, romelic saqarTvelosTvis

sasargeblo rukebze

ityvis, yalbiao? moRalatea,

aba, ra aris?

_ jondi, Tqven darwmunebu-

li xarT, rom es rukebi naRdia

da raRac falsifikaciasTan ar

gvaqvs saqme?

_ dazustebiT geubnebiT, rom

es rukebi namdvilia. es rukebi

namdvilic rom ar iyos, rogor

SeiZleba amaze yvirili? aseTi

rame CemTvis warmoudgenelia.

_ siyalbeze vinme Tu ityvis,

siyalbeao, amaSi warmoudgeneli

ra aris?

`risTvis arsebobs prokuratura? am organom

unda gamoikvlios, ra damsaxurebisTvis miiRes

`nacionalebma~ `sokar-jorjiaSi~ wilebi.

saakaSvili da bokeria xom erTmaneTs

RrRnian, magram rogorc ki garejaze midgeba

saqme, erTnairi mesijboqsebiT saubroben~

_ warmoudgeneli isaa, rom es

qveyanas azianebs. es rukebi namdvilic

rom ar iyos, Sen ratom

yvirixar amas? es igivea, qveynis

sawinaaRmdegod misce Cveneba.

_ bevri ambobs, rom es rukebi

saqarTvelos ufro savala-

lo mdgomareobaSi Caayenebs.

_ tyuilia. es ruka Cemi TvaliT

maqvs nanaxi da SemiZlia Tamamad

giTxraT, rom is saqarTvelos

interesebs ar daazianebs.

aucileblad unda moviTxovo am

rukis gamoqveyneba, rom msgavsi

mosazrebebi aRar gaCndes sazogadoebaSi.

es ruka saqarTvelos

arc erT monakveTSi ar Seuqmnis

araxelsayrel viTarebas.

1996 wels azerbaijanisa da

saqarTvelos maSindelma prezidentebma

saintereso SeTanxmebas

moaweres xeli. am SeTanxmebaSi

pirdapir Caiwera, rom sazRvris

dadgenis dros imoqmedebdnen

1938 wlis rukebiT. „nacionalebi”

am rukaze amboben, aralegitimuri

da Semogdebuli dokumenti

ariso.

_ ra garantia gvaqvs, rom es

ruka namdvilad 1938 wels aris

gamocemuli?

_ amis garkveva Zneli ar aris.

am rukaze nebismiers SeuZlia

imis danaxva, rom mis mixedviT

saqarTvelos saxelmwifo sazRvari

bevrad Sors gadis, vidre

CiCxitura da udabnoa. ver warmomidgenia,

rogor SeiZleba am

rukasTan raime kiTxvebi gauCndes

qarTvel kacs.

_ am rukasTan dakavSirebiT

amdeni kiTxva ar gaCndeboda, is

SarSan an Tundac eqvsi Tvis win

rom gamoemzeurebinaT. arCev-

nebis win am rukis afrialeba da

misi gamoyenebiT mTavari opoziciuri

Zalis CaZirvis mcdelo-

ba saarCevno xriks ufro hgavs,

vidre istoruli samarTliano-

bis aRdgenis mcdelobas.

_ gamoricxuli araa, rom xelisuflebam

es dokumenti Segnebulad

gamoitana arCevnebis

win da unda, amiT mowinaaRmdegis

reitingi daswios, magram es

xom rukis brali araa da es mis

mniSvnelobas veranairad daakninebs.

amas rukiT Crdili ratom

unda miadges?

_ am SemTxvevaSi rukaze ara-

vin daobs, saubaria imaze, ratom

gamoiyenes axla es dokumenti?

_ amasTan dakavSirebiT mec

maqvs kiTxvebi, magram vimeoreb:

rukis mniSvnelobas misi gamoqveynebis

TariRi Crdils ver

miayenebs. xelisufleba, vTqvaT,

saarCevno xriks mimarTavs, magram

daviTgarejasa da qveyanaze

xom unda vifiqroT? maT ra

dagviSaves? ratom saubroben,

rom es rukebi yalbia? ase ar

SeiZleba. „nacionalebis” ambavi

gasagebia, Ralats faraven, magram

sxvebisgan mikvirs.

_ am rukis mimarT eWvebs xe-

lisuflebis damokidebulebac

aCens. Tavidan didi zarzeimi

atexes rukis gamoCenis gamo,

magram Zalian male miaviwydaT

es Tema. gasul kviras TiTqmis

ar uxsenebiaT.

_ es Zalian cudia, magram amis

gamo xelisufleba unda vakritikoT

da ara _ ruka, romelic

Zalian mniSvnelovani dokumentia.

„nacionalebma” rom Ralati

Caidines, esec unda vTqvaT da

iqve arc is davmaloT, rom es

ambavi „qarTulma ocnebam”

arCevnebSi xmebis misaRebad gamoiyena.

yvela mxare unda vamxiloT,

magram vimeoreb, rom

rukaze aralegitimuriao, ar

vTqvaT. sruli pasuxismgeblobiT

geubnebiT, rom es kanonieri

rukaa. am rukiT SegviZlia imis

damtkiceba, rom daviTgareja

Cvens teritoriazea da Cvenia.

_ ambobT, rom es ruka Cvens

simarTles amtkicebso, magram

mivaRwevT rames? ramdenad efe-

qtianad gamoiyenebs am rukas xe-

lisufleba? Tu Caivlis arCevnebi

da ruka aRaravis gaaxsen-

deba?

_ 1996 wels miRweuli SeTanxmebis

Tanaxmad, saqarTvelo

da azerbaijani sazRvrebs 1938

wels gamocemuli rukis mixedviT

daadgens. es ruka Cvens xelTaa,

sadac naTlad aris asaxuli

saxelmwifo sazRvari. xelisufleba

ramdenad gamoiyenebs

am rukas? _ amaze winaswar

verafers getyviT.

sazogadoebam keTili vineboT

da Tvalyuri vadevnoT, Tu

rogor warimarTeba movlenebi.

ar mivceT xelisuflebas imis

ufleba, rom arCevnebis Semdeg

Tema Caifarcxos. marTla ramis

gakeTebas Tu apirebs es xelisufleba,

es am kviraSi gamoCndeba.

_ ra unda gamoCndes am kvi-

raSi?

_ mainteresebs, am Temaze „nacionalebis”

liderebs Tu daibareben

prokuraturaSi. ramdenadac

vici, sagamoZiebo uwyebas

Zalian mniSvnelovani informaciebi

aqvs. prokuraturas mec

mivawode saintereso cnobebi. am

Temam Tu aiwia, e. i. marTla ainteresebT.

_ Tu miCqmales?

_ maSin gamodis, rom marTla

saarCevnod undodaT am Temis

gamoyeneba, magram ruka saxezea

da am sakiTxs veravin miCqmalavs.

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

17

Sorena marsagiSvili

599 92 16 22

24 oqtombers zugdidSi xalxmravali

aqcia gaimarTa. „nacionaluri moZraobis” mier mowyobil

mitingze 10.000-ze meti adamiani gamovida. aseT xalxm-

ravlobas yofili xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebic ki ar

elodnen. es RonisZieba ramdenime dRiT adre unda gamarTu-

liyo, magram bankSi Sevardnilma SeiaraRebulma mZarcvelma

politikosebs gegmebi CauSala. aRsaniSnavia is faqti, rom 24

oqtombers, „nacionalebis” aqciis paralelurad, mZarcvelis

ayvanis operacia mimdinareobda. mZarcvelma gaqceva moaxerxa.

aseT xalxmraval aqcias ar eloda zugdidis sakrebulos wevri,

„nacionali” ani wiTliZe. misi TqmiT, zugdidis aqcia imis man-

iSnebelia, rom samegrelom ivaniSvils uari uTxra.

ratom aris opoziciis gamar-

jvebaSi darwmunebuli? gabedavs

Tu ara xelisufleba provoka-

ciebis mowyobas? ram gamoiyvana

amdeni xalxi quCaSi? ras hpirdeba

opoziciaSi gadasul „qarTu-

li ocnebis” warmomadgenlebs?

ra uSlis xels warmatebuli sax-

elmwifos mSeneblobas? _ amis

Sesaxeb ani wiTliZe „qronika+~-

s esaubreba:

_ ani, mTeli opozicia aJit-

irebulia im aqciiT, romelic

zugdidSi gaimarTa. marTla

Zalian bevri adamiani gamovida

quCaSi. elodiT amdeni xalxis

gamosvlas?

_ gulwrfelad getyviT, rom

amdeni xalxi Tu movidoda, ar

gvegona. Zalian gaxarebulebi

varT, rom pandemiis dros amdeni

adamiani gamovida quCaSi. pandemia

rom ara, kidev ufro meti adamiani

movidoda Cvens RonisZiebaze.

roca pandemiis dros amdeni adamiani

gamodis quCaSi, es mxolod

erT rameze miuTiTebs: Cvens sazogadoebas

myarad aqvs gadawyvetili,

rom 31 oqtombers arCevnebis

gziT „qarTuli ocneba” da

biZina ivaniSvili saxlSi gauSvas.

es ganwyoba aSkarad igrZnoba.

_ am daskvnas mxolod zugdi-

dis aqciidan gamomdinare akeT-

ebT, Tu sxva informaciebic

gaqvT?

_ zugdidis aqciis mixedviTac

SeiZleba mTeli qveynis ganwyobaze

saubari. Cven isedac viciT, Tu

ras fiqrobs xalxi am xelisuflebaze.

zugdidis aqciam ki yvelaferi

naTlad gamoaCina. aseTi

masStaburi aqcia am qalaqSi ar

Catarebula. es imas niSnavs, rom

xalxs cvlilebebi unda. cvlilebebi

ar iqneba, Tu „ocnebas” ar

gavuSvebT. es xelisufleba aucileblad

wava saxlSi. es xalxis

nebaa da mis nebas win veravin

aRudgeba.

am qalaqSi davibade da gavizarde,

yvelaferi kargad maxsovs,

maT Soris, gasuli saukunis

90-iani wlebi. es yvela zugdidels

mwared CarCa mexsierebaSi da

roca gvegona, rom es koSmari

daviviwyeT, „qarTuli ocneba”

movida. am xelisuflebam ise gaakeTa,

rom samegrelosa da mTlianad

qveyanaSi avadsaxsenebli 90-

iani wlebi daabruna.

dRes yvela aRiarebs, rom saqarTveloSi

cxovreba ar aris

usafrTxo. imaze arafers vambob,

Tu ra mZime socialur-ekonomikuri

mdgomareobaa. quCaSi gasvla

ukve saSiSi gaxda. sxva sityvebiT

rogor unda avxsna situacia,

roca erTi SeiaraRebuli piri

zugdidis centrSi mdebare bank-

Si SeiWra da mZevlebi aiyvana?!

aRsaniSnavia, isic rom bankis Senobis

gverdiT susis Senobaa.

suss kriminalebisTvis da mZarcvelebisTvis

ar scalia, iseve

18


rogorc policias, _ isini mxolod

opoziciis TvalTvaliT

arian dakavebuli.

Zalovani struqturebis warmomadgenlebi

opoziciis momxreebs

dasdeven, am dros kriminalebi

Tavisuflad moqmedeben.

xelisufleba opozicias rom ar

dasdevdes, kriminalebs Tavis

saqmianobaSi ar SeuSlis xels.

_ ratom ar SeuSlis xels?

_ imitom, rom „qarTuli ocneba”

maTTan TanamSromlobs.

kriminaluri samyaros warmomadgenlebi

garkveul daxmarebas uweven

„qarTul ocnebas”. roca Savi

samyaro xelisuflebas exmareba,

maSin xelisuflebac Tvalebs xu-

Wavs. ase izrdeba qveyanaSi kriminali.

Cven yvelani kargad vxedavT,

Tu rogor iyenebs „qarTuli

ocneba” yvela arCevnebze

kriminaluri samyaros warmomadgenlebs.

amis damalvas ivaniSvilis

partia aRarc ki cdilobs.

rodesac axaliseb kriminalebs

da maT arCevnebisTvis iyeneb, Semdeg

ukve moralurad valSi xar

maTTan. am Temaze araerTi gancxadeba

gamikeTebia. ramdenjerme

movawyve sagangebo brifingi, sadac

vTqvi, rom arCevnebisTvis

kriminalebi cixidan gamouSves.

mTeli qveynis masStabebze saubari

gamiWirdeba, magram samegreloSi

msgavsi SemTxvevebi namdvilad

iyo da me saxelebi da gvarebi

davasaxele. kriminalebi cixidan

mxolod imitom gamoiyvanes,

rom maT arCevnebis win amomrCevelze

zemoqmedeba moexdinaT.

am qveyanaSi „qarTul ocnebas”

erTaderTi mokavSire dar-

Ca da es aris kriminaluri samyaro.

bolo dros vatyob, rom

isinic aRar uWeren mxars am xelisuflebas.

ivaniSvili da misi

partia kriminalebisTvisac ki miuRebeli

gaxda.

_ es raSi gamoixateba? ra ga-

ZlevT imis Tqmis safuZvels,

rom kriminalebi „ocnebas” Zve-

li enTuziazmiT aRar uWeren

mxars?

_ isini Zveli SemarTebiTa da

enTuziazmiT aRar muSaoben „qar-

Tuli ocnebisTvis”, magram Tavis

saqmes akeTeben _ danaSauls sCadian.

ician, rom „ocneba” maTTan

valSia da ase martivad ver Seexebian.

am loialobisa da kriminal-

Tan kohabitaciis Sedegi zugdid-

Si saqarTvelos bankis dayaCaRebaa,

erTma SeiaraRebulma mZarcvelma

yvelas daanaxa am xelisuflebis

saxe. ramdeni dRea gasuli

da Zlivs moaxerxes misi identificireba.

im dros, roca Cven

zugdidSi aqcias vmarTavdiT,

misi ayvanis specoperacia tardeboda,

magram mZarcveli gaeqcaT.

amas niSnismogebiT ar vambob. mar-

Tla mewyina, damnaSave rom ver

daiWires.

`samegrelom

marTalia, xelisuflebasTan

dapirispirebuli varT, magram am

SemTxvevaSi policias vgulSematkivrobdiT.

Cven gvindoda,

rom damnaSave daekavebinaT. is,

rac am adamianma Caidina, es iyo

qarTul saxelmwifoze Tavdasxma.

man Cveni moqalaqeebi aiyvana

mZevlad. amis ufleba aravis aqvs.

rogorc giTxariT, banki, sadac

yaCaRoba moxda, susis gverdiTa

SenobaSi mdebareobs. ramdenime

aseul metrSia policiac.

roca susis gverdiT mdebare SenobaSi

yaCaRobaa, soflebSi mcxovrebma

adamianebma Tavi daculad

rogor unda igrZnon? arc

ani wiTliZe:

grZnoben Tavs usafrTxod. amitom

gamovida amdeni adamiani qu-

CaSi. maT gacnobierebuli aqvT,

rom arsebuli viTarebis gamosworeba

mxolod xelisuflebis

SecvliT SeiZleba.

Sinagan saqmeTa ministr vaxtang

gomelauris gancxadeba

saerTod koSmari iyo, _ mere ra

moxda, Tu naxevari milioni gadavixadeT.

saWiro Tu gaxda, mZevlebis

gasaTavisufleblad 10

milionsac gadavixdiTo. amiT man

kriminali waaxalisa. vinaa imis

garanti, rom sadme kidev ar Sevardeba

vinme bankSi da mZevlebs

ar aiyvans?

àm loialobisa da kriminalTan kohabitaciis

Sedegi zugdidSi saqarTvelos bankis

dayaCaRebaa, erTma SeiaraRebulma mZarcvelma

yvelas daanaxa am xelisuflebis saxe. ramdeni

dRea gasuli da Zlivs moaxerxes misi

identificireba. im dros, roca Cven zugdidSi

aqcias vmarTavdiT, misi ayvanis specoperacia

tardeboda, magram mZarcveli gaeqcaT. amas

niSnismogebiT ar vambob. marTla mewyina,

damnaSave rom ver daiWires~

àm qveyanaSi

`qarTul

ocnebas~

erTaderTi

mokavSire darCa

da es aris

kriminaluri

samyaro~

_ amis garantia arc yvelaze

dacul qveynebSia. iqac xdeba

bankebze SeiaraRebuli Tav-

dasxmebi.

_ rogor ar xdeba, magram iq

saxelmwifo Tavis simaRleze

dgas. CvenTan ki erTma kacma Camo-

Sala Zalovani struqturebi. es

yaCaRoba rom ara, zugdidis aqciaze

amdeni xalxi, albaT, ar

gamovidoda, es faqti iyo bolo

wveTi. xalxma dainaxa, rom saxelmwifo

aRar arsebobs da aq yvela

daucvelia _ xelisuflebis

momxrec da mowinaaRmdegec. ise-

Ti adamianebi vnaxe Cvens aqciaze,

rom verasdros warmovidgendi

maT „nacionalebTan” gamoCenas.

_ ratom ver warmoidgendiT?

ase seriozulad iyvnen Tqvens

partiasTan dapirispirebulebi?

_ isini, jer kidev, gasul wels

„qarTuli ocnebis” mxardamWerebi

iyvnen. axla es xalxic xvdeba,

rom yvela daucvelia. isini acnobiereben,

rom am arCevnebze

aucileblad unda Seicvalos xelisufleba.

Zalian mniSvnelovani

arCevnebi gvelodeba _ is ar wydeba,

Tu romeli partia ramden

procents miiRebs. am arCevnebze

gadawydeba, Tu rogor saqarTveloSi

vicxovrebT Cven da Cveni

Svilebi. darwmunebuli var, yvela

regionSi aseTi mdgomareobaa.

ar meguleba kuTxe, sadac xalxi

dalxeniT da usafrTxod icxovrebs.

samegrelom 24 oqtombers

biZina ivaniSvils uTxra, _

ara! 31 oqtombers „qarTul

ocnebas” mTeli saqarTvelos

etyvis, _ ara!

_ „nacionalebis” dros

samegrelomac bevri ubedureba

gamoiara da, erTi SexedviT, es

regioni ase antibiZinisturad

ganwyobili ar unda yofiliyo.

18 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.


ivaniSvils uari uTxra~

_ amaze Cemi pasuxi aseTi iqneba,

_ me 2012 wels gavxdi „nacionaluri

moZraobis” wevri. maSin

Sevedi im partiaSi, saidanac yvela

garboda. im cxra wlis man-

Zilze „nacionalur moZraobas”

vakritikebdi. amis miuxedavad,

yvelas gvaxsovs, rogori iyo 90-

ini wlebi da rogori iyo is cxra

weli mTeli qveynisTvis. am cxra

wlis manZilze midioda aRmSenebloba.

xalxma naxa „ocnebac”,

romelmac qveynis ganviTareba

daapauza, CamoSala saxelmwifo

institutebi da 90-ian wlebSi

dagvabruna. uSecdomo aravin

aris, „nacionalebmac” dauSves

bevri Secdoma da amis politikuri

fasic gadavixadeT _ rva welia,

rac opoziciaSi varT. me nacionalebSi

imitom Sevedi, rom

davinaxe, Tu saiT miaqanebda „ocneba”

Cems qveyanas. momatebuli

kriminalis garda xalxi kidev

uamrav ukanonobas xedavs, qveyana

nepotizmsa da korufciis WaobSi

ixrCoba. razea saubari, roca

dasufTavebis samsaxuris ufrosi

19 tenders moigebs.

_ sad moigo 19 tenderi das-

ufTavebis samsaxuris ufrosma?

_ zugdidSi. yvela nabijzea

korufciaa. Cinosnebi mdidrdebian

da xalxi Raribdeba. me aseTi

Raribi samegrelo mxolod 90-ian

wlebSi maxsovs. danarCen saqar-

TveloSic asea. ar SeiZleba, ganviTarebisa

da winsvlis magivrad

ukan waxvide. qveynis ukusvlas

mxolod „ocnebis” saxlSi gaSveba

SeaCerebs. 2003 wels „nacionalurma

moZraobam” dangreuli

qveyana Caibara. maSin saqarTveloze

qveyanas ver ityodi, es iyo

mxolod teritoria. „nacionalurma

moZraobam” WaobSi myofi

saqarTvelos fexze dayeneba Se-

Zlo. metic: saqarTvelo region-

Si mowinve qveyana gaxda.

_ saxelmwifo fexze daayenes,

magram xSirad irRveoda adami-

anis uflebebi.

_ Secdomebi rom iyo, amitomac

varT axla opoziciaSi. saxelmwifos

mSeneblobis dros bevri

Secdoma dauSves. am mxriv

Cvens partias unikaluri gamocdileba

daugrovda. erTi mxriv,

icis, Tu rogor daayenos qveyana

fexze da meore mxriv acnobierebs,

Tu ra Secdoma aRar unda

dauSvas. axla saxelmwifos fexze

dayeneba Secdomebis gareSe SegviZlia.

_ SurisZiebaze ras gvetyviT?

bevrs dRemde eSinia, rom Tu „nacionalebi”

dabrundebian xe-

lisuflebaSi,

samagieroebis

gadaxda da oponentebis devna

daiwyeba. „qarTuli ocneba”

dRemde amiT aSinebs saqarTve-

los mosaxleobas.

_ mgonia, rom xalxs amaze ukve

aRar aqvs reaqcia. wina wlebSi es

meTodi, jer kidev, Wrida. „nacionalebis”

mxridan aranairi

SurisZieba ar iqneba da amis Sesaxeb

saqarTvelos mesame prezidentma,

mixeil saakaSvilmac isaubra.

is Cveni premierobis kandi-

`kriminaluri samyaros warmomadgenlebi garkveul daxmarebas uweven

`qarTul ocnebas~. roca Savi samyaro xelisuflebas exmareba, maSin

xelisuflebac Tvalebs xuWavs. ase izrdeba qveyanaSi kriminali. Cven

yvelani kargad vxedavT, Tu rogor iyenebs `qarTuli ocneba~ yvela

arCevnebze kriminaluri samyaros warmomadgenlebs. amis damalvas

ivaniSvilis partia aRarc ki cdilobs~

datia. man erT-erT CarTvaSi

Tqva, rom am rva wlis manZilze

bevri rame gamoviare, maT Sors,

Cemi ojaxis wevrebze Tavdasxmebio.

yvelaze cudi isaa, rom „ocnebam”

„nacionalebze” revanSi

gaxada Tavis nomer pirvel amocanad.

Cvengan revanSi gamoricxulia.

Tu gvinda, rom es qveyana

demokratiuli da Zlieri iyos,

piradi SurisZieba erTxel da

samudamod unda daviviwyoT. politikuri

niSniT adamianebis devna

warsuls unda Cabardes. am qveynis

yvela moqalaqes unda SeeZlos

Tavisi politikuri Sexedulebebis

Tavisuflad gamoxatva.

darwmunebuli var, rom 31 oqtombris

Semdeg „qarTuli ocneba”

opoziciaSi gadava. mjera, rom

maT politikuri niSniT aravin

dauwyebs devnas. pirobas vdeb, ma-

Ti pirveli damcveli me viqnebi.

_ risgan an visgan unda daicvaT

meocnebeebi? opoziciaSi ga-

dasvlis SemTxvevaSi maT rame

safrTxe emuqreba?

_ ase konkretulad maT aravin

emuqreba. magram aq raki politikuri

poziciis gamoxatva jer

kidev sariskoa, dacva sWirdeba.

vinmem cudi TvaliT rom Sexedos

„qarTuli ocnebis” wevrebs,

pirveli me gavaprotesteb am

faqts. amis pirobas sajarod

vdeb.

_ „qarTuli ocneba” Tu mar-

Tla gadavida opoziciaSi, maSin

am pirobis Sesruleba gagiWird-

ebaT. am partiam Zalian bevri

mteri gaiCina.

_ darwmunebuli var, rom

dRevandeli xelisufleba ramdenime

dReSi opoziciaSi gadava.

imaSic garwmunebT, rom Cems

pirobas Sevasruleb da „ocnebis”

wevrebs davicav. amas imis gamo ar

gavakeTeb, rom am Zalis mimarT

raime simpaTia maqvs. politikuri

niSniT Tu devnas xeli SevuwyveT

da adamianebs gansxvavebuli mosazrebis

dafiqisrebis SeeSindaT,

saqarTvelo verasdros gaxdeba

demokratiuli da Zlieri qveyana.

Cveni mizani ki Zlieri saxelmwifos

Camoyalibebaa. iseTi qvey-

`me 2012 wels gavxdi `nacionaluri moZraobis~

wevri. maSin Sevedi im partiaSi, saidanac yvela

garboda. im cxra wlis manZilze `nacionalur

moZraobas~ vakritikebdi. amis miuxedavad,

yvelas gvaxsovs, rogori iyo 90-ini wlebi da

rogori iyo is cxra weli mTeli qveynisTvis.

am cxra wlis manZilze midioda aRmSenebloba~

ana unda avaSenoT, rom amiT yvela

misma moqalaqem iamayos.

_ miTxariT, „qarTuli ocneb-

is” wevrebis damcveli viqnebi da

imis uflebas aravis mivcem, rom

maT cudi TvaliT Sexedono.

imaT dacvasac apirebT, vinc dan-

aSauli Caidina?

_ isini rogor unda davicva?

adamianebs Tu danaSauli aqvT

Cadenili, maT kanonis winaSe unda

agon pasuxi. me politikuri niSniT

devnas gavaprotesteb. is,

rac „nacionalurma” moZraobam

gamoiara, sxvebma aRar unda gamoscadon.

demokratiul qveyneb-

Si politikuri niSniT adamianebi

ar idevnebian da arc gansxvavebuli

azris gamoTqmisas esxmian

vinmes Tavs. ar mesmis, ratom

unda CavTvalo „qarTuli ocnebis”

aqtivisti Cems mtrad? mas

Tavisi pozicia aqvs da me _ Cemi.

„ocnebis” bevr mxardamWers vicnob

da maTTan Zalian normaluri

urTierToba maqvs.

_ ise, amboben, rom „qarTuli

ocnebis” mxardamWerebi Cum-Cu-

mad gadadian opoziciis mxareso.

Tqven SeniSneT msgavsi rame?

_ es ukve SesamCnevia. giTxariT

kidevac, rom 24 oqtombris aqciaze

is xalxi idga Cven gverdiT,

vinc SarSan „qarTuli ocnebis”

mxardamWeri iyo. isini Riad amboben,

rom ivaniSvils uWerdnen

mxars, magram roca dainaxes, rom

es Zala qveyanas Rupavs, opoziciis

gverdiT dadgnen da mzad arian,

arCevnebis gziT es xelisufleba

saxlSi gauSvan. Tavidan

TiTqos eridebodaT „ocnebis”

mxardamWerebs CvenTan mosvla,

magram mere es barieri gadailaxa.

_ ratom eridebodaT Tqven-

Tan gadmosvla?

_ fiqrobdnen, rom arasworia

im Zalis mxares gadaxvide, visi

politikac ar mogwonda da visac

amdeni weli ebrZodi. Cven maTTan

uproblemod vTanamSromlobT.

„nacionaluri moZraoba” opoziciuri

gaerTianeba „Zala erTobaSias”

wevria. am gaerTianebaSi

myofi partiebi erTmaneTisgan

radikalurad ganvsxvavdebiT.

gaerTianebaSi aris is xalxi, vinc

„nacionalur moZraobas” aqtiurad

ebrZoda. roca davinaxeT,

rom qveyanas erTad dgoma sWirdeboda,

yvelaferi daviviwyeT da

gverdigverd davdeqiT. darwmunebuli

var, kidev bevri meocnebe

gadmova opoziciis mxares.

_ Tqven axseneT gaerTianeba-

Si Semavali partiebi, romlebic

„nacionalebs” ebrZodnen. dRes

erTad dgaxarT, magram dapiri-

spirebulebi xarT im ZalebTan,

romlebic 2016 wlamde „nacio-

nalur moZraobas” warmoadge-

ndnen. saubaria vaSaZis partiasa

da „evropul saqarTveloze”.

_ ar mimaCnia, rom Cven Soris

raime dapirispirebaa. is, rac

axla xdeba, Cveulebrivi ambavia.

maT Tavisi mosazrebebi aqvT, Cveni

_ Cveni. am mosazrebebs zogjer

emociurad gamovxatavT da erTmaneTs

ar veTanxmebiT, magram es

tragedia araa. piriqiT, ase uke-

Tesia.

_ ratom aris ukeTesi?

_ politikuri speqtri Wreli

unda iyos. yvelas erT azrze

yofna mosawyenia. es demokratia

aRar aris, Tan WeSmariteba kamaT-

Si ibadeba. imedia, axali parlamenti

mravalpartiuli iqneba,

rac imis garantia, rom momaval

xelisuflebas Zalaufleba Tav-

Si aRar auvardeba. Tavis droze,

„nacionalur moZraobas” iseTi

Zlieri opozicia rom hyoloda,

rogoric Cven varT, amden Secdomas

ar dauSvebda. normalur

xelisuflebas unda uxarodes

Zlieri opoziciis arseboba. ver

vityvi, rom yvela opoziciuri

partia Cveni megobaria, magram

erTmaneTis mtrebi ar varT. yvela

Tavis amomrCevelze muSaobs.

xmauriani gancxadebebic keTdeba,

magram es saerTo suraTs ar daazianebs.

_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom es

saerTo suraTs ar daazianebs?

_ darwmunebuli var. rac ar

unda vakritikoT erTmaneTi da

zogjer mZime saubaric gvqondes,

Cven erTi mizani gvaerTianebs _

„qarTuli ocneba” xelisuflebidan

unda gavuSvaT. yvelam viciT,

rom damoukideblad amas verc

erTi partia ver SeZlebs. Zala

marTla erTobaSia da erTad unda

vibrZoloT. darwmunebuli

var, 31 oqtombers opozicia gaimarjvebs

da koaliciur mTavrobasac

daakompleqtebs. es rom ase

iqneba, amaSi ukve „qarTuli ocnebis”

momxreebic darwmundnen.

_ opoziciis gamarjvebaSi

rom darwmundnen, amitom aRar

uwyoben opozicias provokacie-

bs? karga xania, xelisuflebas

Tqvens aqciaze provokacia ar

mouwyvia.

_ provokaciis mowyoba Zalian

undaT, magram xalxis gaRizianebas

eridebian. zugdidSi imdeni

xalxi iyo gamosuli, rom provokaciis

mowyobas ver gabedavdnen.

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

19


èrTma SeiaraRebulma mZarcvelma

is, rac gasul kviras zugdidis

Sorena marsagiSvili

centrSi moxda, saqarTveloSi di-

599 92 16 22

dxans emaxsovrebaT. am Temas arCev-

nebis Sedegebic ki ver gadafaravs.

an rogori gadasafaria, roca erTma SeiaraRebulma mZarcvelma

mTeli saxelmwifo Tavze dagvamxo. aseTi ambavi nebismier sxva

qalaqSi rom momxdariyo, igive reaqcia iqneboda, magram zugdi-

di mainc gansakuTrebulia. es qalaqi ruseTis mier okupirebuli

afxazeTidan ramdenime kilometrSia. mondomebis SemTxvevaSi

agresorebs uproblemod SeuZliaT zugdidSi provokaciis mow-

yoba. samoqalaqo aqtivisti kaxa miqaia miiCnevs, rom am Zarcvis

Semdeg zugdidi msoflios dedaqalaqad unda gamocxaddes. amas

xumrobiT ambobs, sinamdvileSi ki Zalian gabrazebulia, radga-

nac erTma kacma erT dReSi dagvamxo Tavze saxelmwifo. miqaia

imis gamoc aris aRSfoTebuli, rom xelisuflebis warmomadgen-

lebi damnaSaveebis devnis nacvlad medias esxmian Tavs.

rogor mivida saqarTvelo

aqamde? ra safrTxeebis winaSe

dgas qveynis usafrTxoeba?

ratom ar surs gomelaurze

saubari? vin arian Zalovan

struqturebSi Canergili personebi

da ra problemebi Seu-

qmnes maT mmarTvel partias?

_ amis Sesaxeb kaxa miqaia

„qronika+”-s esaubreba:

_ ras daarqmevdiT imas, rac

gasul kviras zugdidSi mox-

da?

_ sanam bankis Zarcvaze visaubrebdeT,

Tqvens mkiTxvels

Cems iniciativas gavacnob: Zalian

minda, rom am SemTxvevis Semdeg

zugdidi msoflios dedaqalaqad

gadaiqces. stokholmis,

limasa da kidev sxva sindromebTan

erTad, zugdidSi

ganviTarebuli movlenebis Semdeg,

msoflio axali sindromis

aRmoCenis momswre gaxda. es

aris „zugdidis sindromi”.

raSi mdgomareobs „zugdidis

sindromi”? roca mZevlebi

xaWapurs Wamen da mTel qveyanas

simpaTia uCndeba agresoris

mimarT. marTlac magaria!

Tumca vfiqrob, rom zugdidlebi

mxolod amiT ar unda

davkmayofildeT!

saqarTvelos bankis zugdidis

filialSi mZarcvelis Se-

WrasTan dakavSirebuli peripetiebi

gvaZlevs uflebas, Cveni

qalaqis saxelis ufro metad

popularizebisTvis mivmarToT

saerTaSoriso sazogadoebas

da moviTxovoT: mTavrobis mier

adamianis sicocxleze zrunva,

Serwymuli kriminalis mier

bankis warmatebul ZarcvasTan,

aRiarebul iqnas zugdidur

klasikad! _ radgan Cven, qalaqis

mkvidrni, odiTganve akademiurobas

avangardze metad

mivagebdiT pativs da igi Cveni

cxovrebis wesad migvaCnda.

am Zarcvam, romelic Cveulebrivi

teroristuli aqtia,

TvalnaTliv anaxa sazogadoebas,

rom Cven saxelmwifo ar gagvaCnia.

Cvens sxelmwifoSi ar

arsebobs saxelmwifo struqturebi.

saxelmwifoSi ar muSaobs

arc susi da arc mTavroba.

erTma mZarcvelma mTel msoflios

daanaxa, rom saqarTvelo,

rogorc saxelmwifo, aRar arsebobs

es ar aris mxolod politikuri

krizisis maCvenebli, es

gaxlavT moraluri da socialuri

krizisis dasturic. yvela

es krizisi TvalnaTelia. ase

rom, mniSvneloba ar aqvs, sad

moxda es Zarcva da zugdidze

yuradRebis gamaxvileba ar

Rirs.

_ am Zarcvam saxelmwifo

CamoSala da marTla ar aqvs

mniSvneloba, Tu romel qalaq-

Si moxdeboda is. Tumca zug-

didi mainc gansakuTrebuli

qalaqia. is konfliqtispira

regionSi mdebareobs. am qal-

aqs okupirebul afxazeTamde

sul ramdenime kilometri

aSorebs da es regionebi ufro

metad ar unda iyos daculi?

_ ra Tqma unda, zugdidSi

gafacicebuli unda iyos saxelmwifo

struqturebi. arc

suss, arc dazvervas, arc Ssssa

da arc kontrdazvervas ar

unda hqondes modunebis saSualeba.

aseTi rame konfliqtispira

qalaqSi rom xdeba, kidev

ufro uaresia Cveni qveynisTvis.

aman myarad daamtkica,

rom saxelmwifo ar gagvaCnia.

dRes saqarTvelo gadaiqca bi-

Zinas Tavlad da morCa!

_ wlebia, imaze saubrobT,

rom zugdidSi afxazeTidan

Semodis kontrabanda. aris

saSineli ganukiTxaoba. es

ganukiTxaoba rom ara, zemoxsenebuli

zugdiduri perip-

etiebi ganviTardeboda?

_ geTanxmebiT, rom am Zarcvas

ganukiTxaobamac Seuwyo

xeli, romelic mTel qveyanaSia

gamefebuli. rac Seexeba kontrabandas,

aq cota sxva ambavia,

minda giTxraT, rom kontrabanda

sulac ar aris ukontrolo.

_ ras niSnavs, ar aris ukon-

trolo?

_ imas, rom is mSvenivrad

kontroldeba da arc kontrabandistebi

moZraoben sakuTar

nebaze. kontrabandas Tavidan

bolomde akontrolebda, akontrolebs

da momavalSic gaakontrolebs

xelisufleba.

zugdidis incidetis Semdeg

vin aris imis garanti, rom aq

afxazebi an rusebi rame specoperacias

ar Caatareben an provokacias

ar moawyoben da amiT

saerTod ar daSlian qarTul

saxelmwifos?! mgoni, Cemi Tqma

ar unda sWirdebodes Zalovnebs,

rom konfliqtispira regionebSi

dacva, dazverva, operatiuli

muSaoba gaZlierebuli

unda iyos. Tqveni gazeTis

meSveobiT vsvam kiTxvas, _ ra

gancda daeufleba amis Semxedvare

Cvens mters?! TuTaSxiasi

ar iyos: „vikiTxe aq me!” ra gancda

daeufleba Tundac afxazsa

da russ?!!

_ Cemi azri Tu gaintere-

sebT, zugdidis incidenti

Zalian eameboda Cvens mters.

_ ra Tqma unda, gaexardebaT.

aq iseTi rame moxda, romelic

mxolod mters SeiZleba gauxardes.

afxazebma da rusebma

ukeTesad ician, ra xdeba

samegreloSi, vidre _ Cvenma

samTavrobo struqturebma.

ramdenjer miTqvams telee-

TerebSi da, maT Soris, „qronika+”-sTan,

rom saqarTvelos xelisufleba,

pirvel rigSi, Za-

kaxa miqaia:

`zugdidis sindromi~

_ roca mZevlebi

xaWapurs Wamen da

mTel qveyanas

simpaTia uCndeba

agresoris mimarT~

lovani struqturebi, „efesbes”

agentebiT aris savse!

_ amas marTla Zalian xSir-

ad ambobdiT, magram reaqcia

arasdros mohyolia.

_ rogor ar mohyolia? aba,

zugdidSi ra moxda? Cvenda

samwuxarod, afxazebi bevrad

ukeT akontroleben droebiT

sazRvars, vidre _ qarTvelebi.

es katastrofaa.

_ Tqveni aRSfoTeba da gu-

lis tkivili gasagebia, magram

is, rac moxda, imdenad dauje-

rebelia, bevrs dRemde swams,

rom es yvelaferi raRacis-

Tvis dadgmuli speqtakli iyo.

imis warmodgenac ki Znelia,

erT mZarcvels saxelmwifos

CamoSla SeeZlos.

_ aq warmoudgeneli is ki

araa, rom is mZarcveli iyo

àm dedamiwaze teroristebsa da mZarcvelebs ra

gamolevs. es teroristebi SeiZleba, Zalian

Zlierebic iyvnen, magram rac ar unda Zlieri

iyos damnaSave, saxelmwifo valdebulia, mas

brZola mougos. rogor SeiZleba, erTma

kriminalma mTel Zalovan struqturebs ajobos?!~

Zlieri, aq warmoudgenelia

Cveni saxelmwifo struqturebis

sibriyve. Zalian miWirs imis

dajereba, rom dRes saxelmwifo

am ugunurebis xelSia,

Torem am dedamiwaze teroristebsa

da mZarcvelebs ra gamolevs.

es teroristebi SeiZleba,

Zalian Zlierebic iyvnen,

magram rac ar unda Zlieri iyos

damnaSave, saxelmwifo valdebulia,

mas brZola mougos.

rogor SeiZleba, erTma kriminalma

mTel Zalovan struqturebs

ajobos?!

_ Tqvengan gansxvavebuli

pozicia aqvs am ZarcvasTan

„ocnebis” mxardamWerebs. isi-

ni amboben, rom saxelmwifom

warmatebuli specoperacia

Caatara. vaxtang gomelaurma

Tqva, _ ra moxda, Tu fuli ga-

daveciT, es fuli biujetis ar

yofilao.

_ gomelaurze, Zalian gTxov,

saerTod ar malaparako. Tu

daakvirdiT, am kacze roca misvamT

kiTxvas, ar gpasuxobT. vaxtang

gomelauri ar mimaCnia im

personad da im Tanamdebobis

pirad, romelzedac me, Tqveni

mona-morCili, unda vlaparakobde.

_ mis Tanamdebobas ras

uwunebT, kaci Sinagan saqmeTa

ministria.

_ mere ra, Tu Ss ministria.

me Tavs ar miviCnev valdebulad,

rom gomelaurze vilaparako.

gomelauri salaparakodac

ar Rirs.

_ „qarTuli ocnebis” mo-

mxreebi aJitirebuli arian, es

ra humanuri operacia Caatara

Sss-mo. amaze ras ityviT?

_ rac Seexeba humanurobas,

amaze Znelia, komentari gaake-

Tos adamianma. Cven vnaxeT teroristi,

romelmac mZevlebi

aiyvana, maTi ganTavisuflebis

sanacvlod fuli aiRo da gaurkveveli

mimarTulebiT wavida.

amis Semdeg mTavrobis wevrebi

erTmaneTis miyolebiT gamodian

da amboben, rom Cven humanuri

spcoperacia Cavatare-

To. mZarcvelma saxelmwifo

CamogvaSala Tavze da eseni hu-

20

20 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.


mTeli saxelmwifo CamoSala~

manurobaze saubroben. madloba,

batonebo, aseTi humanurebi

rom xarT. humanuroba xom daibrales

da arc gmirobaze

Tqves uari. meubnebian, galdava

gmiriao. samxareo policiis

ufrosi mZevlad Cabarda mZarcvels

da gmiri ranairadaa?

ar mesmis.

mere ra Tu mZevlebi Caanacvla.

araa es gmiroba. gmiroba

iqneboda is, rom damnaSave gaeneitralebinaT.

fuls Tu

aZlev da uSveb, maSin ra ginda

saerTod policiaSi? am saqar-

TveloSi yvelafris profanacia

moxda da axla gmirobis

profanaciis jeri dadga.

am bedovlaTebma isic ki ar

ician, ras niSnavs gmiroba. uyure

Sen! _ mTeli Casvrili policia

mivida teroristTan da

manac gaaTavisufla mZevlebi.

da ramxela gmiria galdava!

_ imis Tqma gindaT, rom ar

unda Canacvleboda galdava

mZevlebs?

_ unda Canacvleboda da amas

gmirobas nu eZaxian! kacs garantia

hqonda, fuli momitaneT

da uvneblad gagiSvebo da

ase Caenacvla mZevlebs.

_ Tqven raRac nametani

radikaluri xarT.

_ araa es radikalizmi. Tqven

iciT, ra aris kontrteroristuli

specoperacia? es iseTi

operaciaa, rodesac terorists

ki ar uSveb, aramed akaveb

an aneitraleb da mZevlebs aTavisufleb.

aseTi operaciis

Catareba policiis pirdapiri

movaleobaa. ase rom, gmirobis

aqeT-iqiT miniWebas Tavi daanebon

da saqmes mixedon. garda

imisa, rom im mZarcvelma saxelmwifo

dagvamxo Tavze, Zalian

cud precedents Cauyara

safuZveli da amis gagrZelebas

male vnaxavT.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ daiwyeba bankebis Zarcva.

_ ase iolia bankis Zarcva?

_ zugdidSi momxdarma dagvanaxa,

rom rTuli ar aris.

axla nebismier kriminals Seu-

Zlia bankSi Sesvla, mZevlebis

ayvana da maTi ganTavisuflebis

sanacvlod Tanxis moTxovna.

miva policia, Tanxas gadascems

da mZevlebsac gauSveben,

policias ki gmirs uwodeben.

da viyoT ase Zarcvidan Zarcvamde?

araa gmiroba, policieli

rom mZevlad Cabardebi da

arc policielis saqmea es.

_ Tu mZevlebs unda Canacvlebodnen,

pirveli gigi ugu-

lava gaiqaCa, me Cavencvlebi

mZevlebso.

_ gigi ugulavazec nu gamakeTebinebT

komentars. arc magaze

minda saubari.

_ ugulavaze ratom ar gin-

daT saubari?

_ imitom, rom eg da gomelauri

CemTvis erTi da igivea.

ase davamTavroT ugulavaze

saubari. gadareuli var am

gmirobis iqiT-aqeT trialiT.

_ ufro gamwarebuli xarT,

`meubnebian, galdava gmiriao. samxareo policiis ufrosi mZevlad Cabarda

mZarcvels da gmiri ranairadaa? ar mesmis. mere ra Tu mZevlebi Caanacvla.

araa es gmiroba. gmiroba iqneboda is, rom damnaSave gaeneitralebinaT.

fuls Tu aZlev da uSveb, maSin ra ginda saerTod policiaSi? am

saqarTveloSi yvelafris profanacia moxda da axla gmirobis profanaciis

jeri dadga~

vidre gadareuli.

_ aba, ra iqneba?! SeviSmuSne,

roca policielebis gmirobaze

daiwyes saubari. rogor Sei-

Zleba, galdavas ritorikas da

qcevas gmiroba vuwodoT?

sircxvilia es! saqarTveloSi

gmiroba sul sxva rame! am qveyanas

msofliosTvis cnobili

gmirebi hyavda.

_ am qveyanas gmirebi marT-

la arasdros aklda.

_ am gmirebis fonze samxareo

policiis ufrosis gmirobaze

saubari cota sasaciloa,

satirali rom ar iyos. vici,

Cems gancxadebebs mwvave reaqcia

mohyveba, magram ar mainteresebs.

visac ra unda, is Tqvas

Cemze. qarTvelTa gmirobas

sul sxvanairad vuyureb, vidre

gomelauri da biZina.

_ ise, rogorc amboben, zug-

didis operacia gomelaurma

ase biZina ivaniSvilis miTiTe-

biT Caatarao. amaze ras

ityviT?

_ hi-hi-hi! amaze gavicineb da

mets arafers vityvi, sxva arc

araferia saTqmeli.

_ irakli kobaxiZis agresi-

ulobazec arafers gvetyviT?

roca am Temaze dausves kiTx-

va, wyobidan gamovida.

_ rogor moixseniebT xolme

kobaxiZes socilur qselSi, _

„avi irakla” ara? es „avi irakla”

iseTi sayvarelia, rom televizorSi

Tu ar gamoCnda, is

dRe dakargulad mimaCnia. „av

iraklaze” galaktionis erTi

leqsi maxsendeba: „rac ufro

Sors xar, miT ufro vtkbebi”.

ra unda vilaparako am adami-

`rogor moixseniebT xolme kobaxiZes socilur

qselSi, - àvi irakla~ ara? es àvi irakla~

iseTi sayvarelia, rom televizorSi Tu ar

gamoCnda, is dRe dakargulad mimaCnia. àv

iraklaze~ galaktionis erTi leqsi maxsendeba:

`rac ufro Sors xar, miT ufro vtkbebi~

anze?!

_ es adamiani ambobs, rom

saqarTveloSi kriminali mo-

matebuli araao.

_ amis Tqma axla samarcxvinoa.

amasTan dakavSirebiT

gancxadebiT mivmarTe premir

gaxarias. rogorc „avi irakla”

ambobs, Turme Cven unda davicvaT

mTavrobis meTauri provokatori

Jurnalistebisgan,

romlebic mas kiTxvebs usvamen

da nervebs uSlian. warmoidgineT,

Turme premieri Jurnalistebisgan

aris dasacavi.

_ es Zalian sasaciloa.

_ ufro satiralia, vidre _

sasacilo.

_ Tqven gaixseneT gaxaria

da misi Ss ministrobis perio-

di momagonda: „gavrilovis

Rames” axalgazrdebs Tvalebi

dasTxares da maT winaaRmdeg

daTvis tyviebi gamoiyenes! ma-

Sin ratom ar iyo policia hu-

manuri?

_ imitom ar iyo maSin policia

humanuri, rom rusTavelze

uiaraRo xalxTan hqonda saqme,

erTma iaraRianma kacma ki mTel

xelisuflebas Caasvelebina.

aqedanac Cans mTavrobis humanuroba.

wlebia, am mTavrobas

veubnebi, rom savsea specsamsaxurebi

wina xelisuflebis

kadrebiT. vafrTxilebdi, es

kadrebi dagangreven SignidanmeTqi,

magram yuri ar migdes.

imis magivrad, rom Canergilebis

winaaRmdeg emoqmedaT, me gadamekidnen

da ai, Sedegi!

_ iyo aseTi versia, rom es

vano merabiSvilma gaaCaliCa.

_ vanom dagegma es Zarcva da

me viyavi mTavari rolis Semsrulebeli.

samarcxvinoa amis

laparaki. barem, megis qardavaze

eTqvaT, teroristi is iyoo.

mTeli guliT vulocav

mZevlebs, rom mSvidobianad

gamovidnen. am briyvi xelisuflebis

pirobebSi mZevlebi

rom gadarCnen, es marTla didi

miRwevaa. is teroristic kargad

moiqca, rom mZevlebi ar

gawira. irakli kobaxiZe xom amazrzeni

iyo, roca medias da-

esxa Tavs, magram aranakleb amazrzeni

iyo Tavdasxma mZevlebze.

sad gagonila, rom xelisufeba

mZevals esxmodes Tavs?!

mZevlebs Soris iyo „nacionaluri

moZraobis” mxardamWeri

irakli kvaracxelia. rogorc

ki misi vinaoba gasajarovda,

atexes erTi ambavi da lan-

ZRes es adamiani. viRacebma isic

Tqves, raki kvaracxeliaa

mZevlebs Soris, maSin am procesebs

saakaSvili akontrolebs

ukrainidano. idgnen xelisuflebis

mxardamWerebi da

mTeli dRe feisbuqze miSas aginebdnen.

mivmarTav „ocnebis”

mxardamWerebs: miSas ginebiT

da ZagebiT biZinas ver auwevT

reitings da verc _ murusiZes.

_ ras fiqroben am yve-

laferze zugdidlebi?

_ zugdidlebi ras ityvian?

am qalaqis gakvirveba Zalian

Znelia, bevri ramis momswrea

zugdidi, ra aRar gadaitana,

magram amas veravin daiviwyebs,

maT Soris, mec. yvela am ambis

Tanamonawile var da vgrZnob,

rogor ganicdis Cemi qalaqi.

roca zugdidSi raRac xdeba,

es CemTvis didi tkivilia.

imis magivrad rom samarTlianoba

aRedgina, xelisuflebam

kidev erTxel Seuracxyo

zugdidlebi. arada, xalxi

eloda, rom saakaSvilis wasvlis

Semdeg „qarTuli ocneba”

samegrelosa da Cems qalaqs

iarebs mouSuSebda. samwuxarod,

maT Wrilobaze marili

daayares zugdidlebs.

_ rogorc zugdideli, ra

rCevas miscemdiT „qarTul

ocnebas”?

_ amaT araadekvatur qcevebsa

da gancxadebebs rom vuyureb,

yovelgvari rCevis micemis

xalisi miqreba. ginda, amaTTvis

migicia rCeva da ginda, kedlisTvis

Segiyria cercvi. rCevebs,

rogorc wesi, xelisuflebas

aZleven xolme. „qarTuli

ocneba” xelisuflebaa? cxadia,

_ ara. yvelafris miuxedavad,

unda vTqva, rom am xelisuflebam

veraferi gaakeTa. mixeil

saakaSvili datova, rogorc

politikuri lideri da amiT

gaanadgura sakuTari qveyana.

xolo vinaa saakaSvili, es yvelam

kargad icis. kidev erTxel

mivmarTav „ocnebas” da vetyvi,

rom saakaSvilis ZagebiT Tqven

Tavs ver gaiTeTrebT. am dReebSi

„mTavarma” arxma da nika

gvaramiam seriozuli masalebi

moipoves. me mainteresebs, Tu

rogor moipoves maT es masalebi

da rogor gaaSiSvles xelisufleba

da ras apirebs xelisufleba

arCevnebSi?

_ ra kadrebze saubrobT,

policielebi rom gaxdnen ag-

itatorebi?

_ diax. mainteresebs, saidan

moipova es kadrebi „mTavarma”?

agvixsnas „ocnebam”. me ki vici,

saidanac wamovida. veubnebodi,

rom ZalovnebSi Canergilebi

Signidnen daSlidnen „ocnebas”.

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

21

giorgi abaSiZe


arCevnebamde ramdenime dRea darCenili da, wesiTa da rigiT,

axla saubris mTavari Tema 31 oqtomberi unda iyos, magram

koronis meore talRam adamianebs arCevnebi ki ara, la-

mis, sakuTari vinaobac daaviwya. Sesabamisad, nebismier wreSi

mTavari salaparako swored pandemiaa. am „trends”, cxadia,

arc me CamovrCi da „tradicionalistTa kavSiris” liders

swored kovid 19-ze Camovugde sityva, anu Sevecade, koro-

nasa da politikas Soris garkveuli paraleli gamevlo.

akaki asaTiani:

_ virusis gavrcelebis

mzardi tendenciaa da aSkaraa,

rom dainficirebulTa ricxvi

moimatebs.

_ infeqcionistebic zustad

amas amboben, Tumca arsebobs

mosazreba, rom gazrdil sta-

tistikas „ocneba” saarCevnod

iyenebs, anu qmnis fons, rom

xalxi SeSindes da 31 oqtomb-

ers arCevnebze ar mivides...

naklebi aqtivoba ki, cxadia,

gayalbebisTvis idealuria.

_ amas ver getyviT, magram

faqtia, rom xelisufleba virusze

„Cafrenilia”.

_ anu?

_ mudmivad imas ambobs, rom

viruss marTavs. Sesabamisad,

gamoCndeba da ar daimaleba, am

garemoebas rogor gamoiyenebs.

amasTan, isic savsebiT mosalodnelia,

rom xalxs SeeSindes

da arCevnebze naklebi aqtivoba

iyos.

_ es xelisuflebis wisq-

vilze daasxams wyals, ara?

_ xelisufleba Tavis momxreebs

darazmavs, Tumca sakuTari

amomrCevlis mobilizebas

„nacionalebic” SeZleben.

virusi ufro momcro, anu naklebi

resursis mqone partiebs

SeuSlis xels.

_ ratom?

_ amomrCevlis mobilizebas

saxsrebi sWirdeba.

_ e. i., korona „tradicionalistTa

kavSirsac” daaz-

aralebs?

_ diax, Cvenc da bevr sxva

partiasac.

_ sxvaTa Soris, virusis afeTqebis

gamo 31-Si saqarTvel-

oSi ucxoeli damkvirveblebi

ar Camovlen. arademokratiu-

li arCevnebis Casatareblad

esec xom noyier niadags Seqm-

nis?

_ saerTod, iseTi viTarebaa,

rom yvelaze marTebuli iqneboda

arCevnebis gadadeba, magram

axla es saqme isea gaqanebuli,

rom gadadeba SeuZlebelia.

_ arCevnebis gadadeba mxolod

im SemTxvevaSi SeiZle-

ba, Tu qveyanaSi sagangebo

mdgomareobaa gamocxadebuli.

_ sagangebo mdgomareoba ma-

Sin gamoacxades, roca virusi

8 adamians Seeyara, gardacvlili

ki sul 9 iyo, magram savsebiT

cxadia, rom xelisuflebas

arCevnebis Catareba swored virusis

pirobebSi awyobs.

_ damisabuTeT, batono

kako, amas ris safuZvelze am-

bobT?

_ sxva amomrCeveli SeiZleba,

naklebi movides, xelisufleba

ki sakuTaris mobilizebas

SeZlebs, anu epidemia manipulirebis

met saSualebas iZleva,

Tumca amas ramdenad gamoiyenebs

da ikadrebs, es ukve „ocnebazea”

damokidebuli.

22

_ e. i., imis Sansi, rom

demokratiis principi dair-

Rves da ivaniSvilis gundi xe-

lisuflebaSi mesame vadiTac

darCes, realuria, ara?

_ diax, Sansi realuria, Tumca

es demokratiis principis

darRveva ar iqneba.

_ ratom?

_ demokratia swored egaa,

rom xelisuflebaSi is iyos,

vinc arCevnebs moigebs, magram

mogeba im raodenobiT, rom

„ocnebam” myari umravlesoba

Seiqmnas, vfiqrob, gamoricxulia!

_ ise, xalxSi is ganwyoba,

rom xelisufleba aucileblad

unda Seicvalos, arsebobs

Tu sazogadoeba „ocneb-

is” Semcvlels ver xedavs?

_ cvlilebebis moTxovna

namdvilad aris, Tumca zogi

fiqrobs, rom cvlilebas Tavad

dRevandeli xelisufleba ganaxorcielebs,

zogi ki elodeba,

rom xelisufleba Seicvleba.

aqedan romeli ganwyobis

adamianebi ufro meti arian, 31-

Si gairkveva. saerTod, nebismieri

arCevnebi, garkveuli TvalsazrisiT,

ra Tqma unda, „ruletkaa”.

_ maSasadame, opoziciis gancxadeba,

ai, „ocneba” xelisu-

flebidan aucileblad midiso

da am azrs sociologiuri kvlevebiTac

amyarebs, gadamete-

bulia?

_ jer erTi, yvelani vatyobT,

rom omia. meorec, es gamokiTxvebi

realuri imdenadaa,

rom brZola midis, raTa „ocnebam”

myari umravlesobis Sesaqmnelad

saWiro xmebi ver moipovos.

saamisod, minimum, 60

procenti da amasTan, ocdaaTive

maJoritaruli olqis mogebaa

aucilebeli, Tumca sruli

garantia esec ar iqneba. Tu

„ocneba” 40-dan 50 procentamde

aiRebs, haerSi Camoekideba.

_ sxvaTa Soris, mdinaraZem

ganacxada, 60 procents ki ara,

ufro mets aviRebTo.

_ 60-ze meti aiRon da ra

„daxlic” daujdebaT, naxaven.

_ mdinaraZis es gancxadeba

imas xom ar moaswavebs, rom

mmarTveli gundi gayalbebi-

sTvis emzadeba?

_ ar vici... SeiZleba, „ocnebas”

marTla aqvs imedi, rom

amden procents aiRebs da Tu

ase moxdeba, maSin es „ocnebisTvis”,

vfiqrob, sabediswero

Secdoma iqneba.

_ ai, am situaciaSi, roca

„qocebi” da „nacebi” saarCevno

xmebze nadiroben, „tradicio-

nalistTa kavSirs” risi imedi

aqvs, anu Tqveni varaudiT,

meaTe mowvevis parlamentSi,

maqsimum, ramdeni deputati

geyolebaT?

_ arCevnebis mogebaze laparaki

zedmetia, magram realisti

rom viyo, axal parlamentSi

ès kretinoba

akaki asaTiani:

òcneba~ arCevnebs

im raodenobiT

ver moigebs, rom

myari umravlesoba

Seqmnas!~

ramdenime, daaxloebiT, samidan

xuT mandatamde gveqneba.

_ batono kako, im SemTxveva-

Si, Tu „ocnebas” saparlamen-

to umravlesobis Sesaqmnelad

xmebi dasWirdeba, „tardicio-

nalistebi” xels gauwvdiT?

_ gaaCnia, mTavrobis ra Semadgenloba

iqneba warmodgenili.

xmis brmad vinmesTvis micemas

da mxaris daWeras ar vapireb!

sxvaTa Soris, Tu saSualeba

mieca, opoziciac Zalian

Wrel koalicias Seqmnis, Tumca

mxari rom davuWiroT, aqac

garkveuli principebi da programuli

Tezisebi unda iyos.

ise, Tu „ocneba” ise gaagrZelebs,

rogorc axla saqmianobs,

yvelaferi uperseqtivoa, Tumca

meore mxridanac araferi

Cans.

_ anu?

_ gasagebia, rom yvela opoziciur

partias Tavisi programa

aqvs, magram umetesad ararealisturia.

amitom erTiani

programis SemuSavebas dro da

damajerebloba dasWirdeba.

_ SeiZleba, magram guli

visken ufro migiwevT _ „ocnebisken”

Tu opoziciis ko-

aliciisken?

_ qveyana mxolod SigniT ki

araa areuli, gareTac, rbilad

rom vTqva, Zalian seriozuli

ambebi xdeba. amitom ar SeiZleba,

mTavrobis gareSe davrCeT.

amasTan, stabilurobac unda

SevinarCunoT. hoda, mxars imas

davuWerT, vinc yvelafer amas

Seuwyobs xels.

_ „gare seriozul ambebSi”

somxeT-azerbaijanis ganaxle-

bul samxedro konfliqts

gulisxmobT?

_ diax, amasTan, aSS-Sic

arCevnebia da ukrainaSic. sxva-

Ta Soris, ukrainis arCevnebi

Zalian mniSvnelovania. aSS-is

sarezidento arCevnebi gadamwyveti

mxolod CvenTvis ki ara,

`Rirebulebebis TvalsazrisiT trampisken var,

anu mimaCnia, rom misi gaprezidenteba aSS-is

gadarCenis Sansi iyo, Tumca ruseTTan

damokidebulebis TvalsazrisiT, SeiZleba,

baidenis gaprezidenteba gvawyobdes. ai, aseTi

ucnauri ambavia~

mTeli msofliosTvisaa.

_ CvenTvis ukeTesi baidenis

garezidentebaa Tu trampis

darCena?

_ Rirebulebebis TvalsazrisiT

trampisken var, anu mimaCnia,

rom misi gaprezidenteba

aSS-is gadarCenis Sansi iyo,

Tumca ruseTTan damokidebulebis

TvalsazrisiT, Sei-

Zleba, baidenis gaprezidenteba

gvawyobdes. ai, aseTi ucnauri

ambavia.

_ sxvaTa Soris, ramdenime

dRis win trampma baideni ru-

seTTan kavSirSi daadanaSaula

da pirdapir Tqva, putini afi-

nansebso....

_ ruseTTan kavSirs orive

erTmaneTs abralebs da, rogorc

Cans, amas Cveni xelisuflebisa

da opoziciisgan swavloben.

amxela qveyana saqarTvelos

erTi erTSi, ase vTqvaT,

imeorebs. Cven Cveni problema

gvaqvs _ Tavze amxela ruseTi

gvadgas da amitom yvela yvelas

ruseTumeobas abralebs. ai,

is ki namdvilad ar megona, Tu

moveswrebodi, rom aSS-Sic er-

TmaneTs ruseTumeobas daabralebdnen.

arada, arc erTs esmis

da arc _ meores, ra sisuleles

laparakoben!

_ batono kako, seriozulad

fiqrobT, rom trampi da baideni

saqarTvelos xelisufle-

basa da opozicias baZaven da

erTmaneTs rusul braldebebs

amitom uyeneben?

_ ara, seriozulad ar vfiqrob,

magram dakninebaa, amxela

qveynis liderebi imaze rom

kamaToben, es gaubedurebuli

ruseTi maT arCevnebze gavlenas

axdens Tu ara. amaze damamcirebeli

ra unda iyos, magram

veravin xvdeba, rom es kretinoba

unda Sewyviton!

_ ratom ggoniaT, rom ruse-

Ti gaubedurebulia?

_ aba, gabednierebulia?

_ yovel SemTxvevaSi, imde-

ni mainc SeuZlia, rom samxreT

kavkasiaSi mimdinare movlenebze

sakuTari gavlena moax-

dinos.

_ ver xedavT, rom yarabaRis

22 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.


unda Sewyviton!~

konfliqtze gavlenas ver axdens?

_ erTi Tvea, daga-dugi midis

da gardacvlilTa raodenoba,

putinis naTqvamiT, xuTi

aTass gadascda. somxebi Zalian

cud mdgomareobaSi aRmoCndnen

da erT dResac finansuri, adamianuri

Tu moraluri resursi

azerbaijansac gamoeleva.

sxvaTa Soris, azerbaijans

TurqeTi udgas mxarSi. somxe-

Ti mxolod msoflio sazogadoebriobam

ki ara, ruseTmac

miatova. ruseTisTvis mTavaria,

rom faSiniani moicilos.

amxela saxelmwifo am doneze

rom dava, gaubedurebulia, aba,

meti ra unda vTqva?

sabWoTa kavSiri dedamiwas

azanzarebda _ planetis naxevari

misi iyo, magram ise gaqra,

rogorc SarSandeli Tovli,

anu sakuTar TavTan brZolaSi

damarcxda. ruseTic sakuTar

Tavs zustad iseve ebrZvis. ruseTi,

ubralod, baqibuqobs,

Torem, sinamdvileSi, sakuTar

Tavs ebrZvis. aseTi brZola ki

yovelTvis katastrofiT mTavrdeba.

Jangiani birTvuli raketebi

aqvs, gaisvris da ukan

SeTxrian. amitom verc gaisvris

_ amdeni fuli imitom agrova,

rom bombi isrolos da mTlianad

amobugon?

stalini raRacas rom

akeTebda, Ceqma da kiteli ecva.

is Zalauflebis maniaki iyo,

fulis ki _ ara. misi STamomavlebi

TavSesafrebSi gardaicvalnen.

yovel SemTxvevaSi,

qaliSvili. arc sxvebs ulxinT.

_ mokled, batono kako, ver

mivxvdi, iziarebT Tu ara mosazrebas,

rom somxeT-azer-

baijanis konfliqti kremlis

wafiTilebiT ganaxlda?

_ ra Tqma unda, rusebma waaqezes

da xeli Seuwyves. ruse-

Ti grZnobda, rom azerbaijans

amjerad upiratesoba eqneboda

da axla faSinianis dacemas elodeba.

CvenTanac ZaliT Semoi-

Wrnen da im gadareuli saakaSvilis

damxobis imedi hqondaT,

magram omis dros xalxi Tavis

liders, rogori miuRebelic

`somxeTi mxolod msoflio sazogadoebriobam

ki ara, ruseTmac miatova. ruseTisTvis

mTavaria, rom faSiniani moicilos. amxela

saxelmwifo am doneze rom dava,

gaubedurebulia, aba, meti ra unda vTqva?

sabWoTa kavSiri dedamiwas azanzarebda -

planetis naxevari misi iyo, magram ise gaqra,

rogorc SarSandeli Tovli, anu sakuTar

TavTan brZolaSi damarcxda. ruseTic sakuTar

Tavs zustad iseve ebrZvis~

unda iyos igi, ar aujanydeba,

Torem hitleri moskovs rom

miadga, rusebs stalini unda

daemxoT. roca saqme samSoblos

exeba, xalxi yvelafers iTmens,

ai, mere ki, 2012 wels,

saakaSvils upasuxa _ xelisuflebidan

waabrZana. mokled,

ruseTi somxeTSic elodeba,

rom faSiniani wavides. amasoba-

Si ki mxolod somxeTs ki ara,

azerbaijansac kargavs, region-

Si TurqeTi Zlierdeba da Zneli

misaxvedri araa, ruseTs

samxreT zolSi rac elis.

_ ruseTi Tu dasustdeba,

es, pirvel rigSi, CvenTvis

iqneba kargi... batono kako, ra

amis pasuxia da, Tqveni azriT,

daviTgarejis saqme somxeT-

azerbaijanis ganaxlebul kon-

fliqts, ubralod, daemTxva

Tu yvelaferi ufro didi

politikuri TamaSia?

`dakninebaa, amxela qveynis liderebi imaze rom

kamaToben, es gaubedurebuli ruseTi maT

arCevnebze gavlenas axdens Tu ara. amaze

damamcirebeli ra unda iyos, magram veravin

xvdeba, rom es kretinoba unda Sewyviton!~

_ mgoni, damTxvevaa. yovel

SemTxvevaSi, meeWveba, Cvenebs

erTi TviT adre gamoecnoT,

rom azerbaijani oms apirebda

da amiT azerbaijanTan evaWraT.sxvaTa

Soris, am dokumentebiTac

dasturdeba, rom daviTgareja

Cvenia da yovelTvis

Cveni iqneba!

saerTod, es omi rom Cacxreba,

Cvens orive mezobelTan

sazRvrebis ambavi unda gavarkvioT

da mere megobroba ufro

mWidro iqneba da egeb, erTmaneTTan

movalaparakoT kidec.

_ e. i., „kartografebis saqmeSi”

rusul kvals gamoricx-

avT?

_ ra rusuli kvali?

_ ai, is biznesmeni xidaSeli

pirdapir ambobs, rom rukebis

nawili moskovis arqivSi moi-

pova.

_ arqividan me da Tqvenc amoviRebT.

_ rogor?

_ aseTi tipis arqivebi Riaa.

aris raRacebi, rasac aSS-sa da

inglisSi 50 Tu 100-wliani grifi

adevs xolme, magram rukebis

gasaidumloeba, miT umetes, Cveni

da azerbaijanis, vis edardeba?

ise, ukvriT, bukinistebSi

rukebi rogor iyidao, magram

jer kidev sabWoTa kavSiris

dros, roca yvelaferi kontroldeboda,

bukinistebSi iseT

rames gadavwydomivar, rom gaognebuli

davrCenilvar! es rukebi

ruseTidanac rom iyos, amiT

kremli ras igebs? _ amis gamo

azerbaijans Tavs davesmxebiT

Tu es saqme rogor iqneba?

_ Tavs ar davesxmebiT, ma-

gram Tu miwebi vinmem gayida,

e. i., viRacam iyida, Sesabamisad,

ukanono vaWrobaSi ofi-

cialur baqos brals iribad

vdebT. ase araa?

_ eg ambebi saakaSvilma Camokakla

da mas unda moekiTxos.

_ saakaSvilma ra Camokakla?

_ pirdapir Tqva, rom am saqmis

garemoebebi icis...

saerTod, im kacisgan, romelmac

cxinvalis regionze

Tqva, ra moxda mere, asi sofeli

davkargeTo, yvelaferi es

ra gasakviria? danarCeni ki

Ziebis procesSi gamoCndeba.

_ mokled, batono kako, uSvebT

albaTobas, rom melaS-

vili da iliCeva damnaSaveebi

arian?

_ damnaSave isaa, vinc aseTi

miTiTeba misca.

_ rogori miTiTeba?

_ faqtia, rom dokumentebi

ar uZebniaT!

_ SeiZleba, magram daviT-

garejis saqme „ocnebisTvis”,

rogorc mama kirioni ityoda,

winasaarCevno jokeria, ara?

_ ra Tqma unda. sxvaTa Soris,

saqarTvelosa da azerbaijans

Soris xelSekruleba 1920

wels daido, romlis Tanaxmadac,

sazRvari mtkvris kalapotze

gadioda, magram qarTveli

bolSevikebi aramzadebis xrova

iyo da maTi memkvidreebi

dResac bevrs laparakoben, zogi

saxelisuflebis wreebSicaa

gamZvrali. es Cveni ubedurebaa,

romlisganac sabolood unda

gavTavisufldeT! saingilosa

da alaverdze laparakic aRar

minda. maSin dabadebuli ar

viyavi, Torem erTs mainc rogor

ver movklavdi _ orjonikiZes

an oraxelaSvils an romelime

sxva garewars.

_ dRes vis moklavT, batono

kako?

_ raRa dros mokvlaa _ amaT

ar gadauciaT, yvelaferi imaT

qnes!

_ Tu „kartografebis saqme”

saarCevno jokeri iyo, aman

amomrCevlis

nacionalur

grZnobebze imoqmeda?

_ rasac me vatyob, diax, imoqmeda.

yovel SemTxvevaSi, xalxis

umravlesobas sjera, rom

„nacionalebma” es teritoriebi

Segnebulad gayides, ufro

sworad, ver moaswres, Torem

apirebdnen. mokled, aman xalxis

did raodenobaze gaWra.

_ xalxs dRes miwebi ufro

aRelvebs Tu SimSili da

gazrdili kriminali?

_ zogi ambobs, afxazeTi da

cxinvali, anu teritoriuli

mTlianoba aqtualuri aRaraao,

magram, realurad, es Tema

sameulidan ar gadis, anu umu-

Sevroba da siRaribe, praqtikulad,

erTia. mokled, imis Tqma

minda, rom xalxs samSoblo, sabednierod,

ar aviwydeba. viRacebi

ki amboben, ra dros sam-

Sobloa, roca me Tanamdebobaze

jdoma mindao... xalxi aseTi

rom ar yofiliyo, es qveyana

damoukideblobas ver moipovebda!..

_ erTi sityviT, 31 oqtombers

qarTul politikaSi or-

polusianoba damTavrdeba Tu

isev „nac-qocuri” meinstrim-

iT vicxovrebT?

_ mgonia, rom damTavrdeba.

imas ar vambob, rom „ocneba” an

„nacebi” gaqrebian, magram vi-

Tareba nebismier SemTxvevaSi

Seicvleba.

_ anu, e. w. SuaSisturi par-

tiebi gaaqtiurdebian?

_ parlamentSi gacilebiT

meti partia iqneba.

_ ise, Tu arCevnebi gayalb-

deba, belarusis scenari xom

ar ganmeordeba?

_ ara.

_ ratom?

_ belarusSi gansxvavebuli

tipis xalxia. xom xedavT, liderebic

ki ar arian, magram mosaxleoba

quCaSi mainc gamodis.

tixanovskaia simpaTiuri qalia,

magram ra lideria, kaco?! sxvebi

sazRvargareT gacvivdnen.

sxvaTa Soris, zviad gamsaxurdias

monaniebas rom abraleben,

ar uqnia, magram rac qna,

mxolod imitom, rom ar gaesaxlebinaT,

darCeniliyo da aq

brZola gaegrZelebina...

erTi sityviT, saqarTvelo

belarusi araa, Cveni xalxi ase

ar aurevs da aucilebelic ar

aris! am regionSi aseTi ambavi

CvenTvis damRupveli iqneba,

magram sxva forma moiZebneba.

_ bolos, batono akaki, xal-

xisTvis saTqmeli ra gaqvT?

_ darwmunebuli var, saqar-

TveloSi bevri gonieri adamiania

da mixvdeba, xma vis unda

misces. hoda, imdeni ki mogrovdeba,

rom „tradicionalistebs”

Sansi mogvcen da Cvenc ar

gavawbilebT!

23


mokled, rogor cdilobs „oc-

neba” arCevnebis gayalbebas da

imaleba Tu ara koronaSemTxveve-

meTodebi, romliTac xelisufleba

wlevandeli arCevnebi erTob

giorgi abaSiZe

ekleqtur garemoSi tardeba _

gazrdil kriminalsa da mZime so-

cialur-ekonomikur mdgomareobaze rom aRaraferi vTqvaT,

saqarTveloSi kovidinficirebulTa ricxvi kosmiuri siCqariT

izrdeba. zogi darwmunebulia, rom am kovidstatistikas xe-

lisufleba saarCevno manipulaciebisTvis iyenebs. SesaZloa,

arc uamisobaa, miT umetes, rom sxvadasxva monacemiT, oqtomb-

ers klinikebSi, kovidsastumroebsa Tu TviTizolaciaSi ram-

denime aTeul aTasi adamiani iqneba. hoda, swored am amomrCevlebisTvis

saarCevno administraciam specialuri gegma SeimuSa-

va, anu cesko-s cnobiT, Seiqmna specialuri jgufebi, romlebic

amomrCevlebTan gadasatani yuTebis mitanas uzrunvelyofen.

„saarCevno administracia amomrCevlebs

sTavazobs arCevnebSi

miiRon monawileoba saarCevno komisiis

funqciebis mqone specialuri

jgufebis momsaxurebiT. ker-

Zod, cesko municipalitetebSi

saolqo saarCevno komisiebis moqmedebis

sazRvrebSi Seqmnis aranakleb

erT saarCevno ubans da daakompleqtebs

specialur jgufebs.

specialuri jgufis warmomadgenlebi

uzrunvelyofen stacionarul

samkurnalo dawesebulebebsa

da karantinSi myof moqalaqeebTan

saarCevno yuTis mitanas.

amasTan, TviTizolaciaSi myof amomrCevlebs,

romelTa monacemebic

oficialurad fiqsirdeba monacemTa

bazaSi, eqnebaT SesaZlebloba,

saarCevno administracias

mimarTon gadasatani saarCevno

yuTis momsaxurebiT.

specialuri jgufis yvela wevri

iqneba aRWurvili saWiro ekipirebiT,

srulad iqneba daculi

epidemiologebis rekomendaciebi.

aRsaniSnavia, rom specialur ubnebsa

da mis wevrebs ar eqnebaT

Sexeba Cveulebriv saarCevno ubnebTan,

rac uzrunvelyofs procesis

daculobas, met usafrTxoebasa

da CarTuli mxareebisTvis

monawileobis SesaZleblobas.

xmebis daTvla ganxorcieldeba

ara sakarantino sivrceebsa da samedicino

dawesebulebebSi, aramed

calke, specialurad Seqmnil saar-

Cevno ubnebSi, rac xels Seuwyobs

procesis met gamWvirvalobas.

amasTan, Sesabamisi wesebis dacviT,

damkvirveblebs, mediasa da

saarCevno subieqtebis warmomadgenlebs

eqnebaT saSualeba, gayvnen

gadasatan yuTs da daakvirdnen

xmebis daTvlis process”, _ acxadeben

saarCevno administraciaSi,

Tumca saarCevno specialistebi

amboben, rom am gadawyvetilebiT

cesko kanons arRvevs, anu kanoniT

specubnebis Seqmna saarCevno administraciis

ki ara, saolqo saarCevno

komisiebis prerogativaa.

sxvaTa Soris, cesko-s zemoxsenebuli

dadgenileba opoziciam

gaasaCivra kidec, Tumca ceko-s

yofili Tavmjdomare, zurab xaratiSvili,

romelic „samoqalaqo

aliansi TavisuflebisTvis” Tavmjdomare

da amasTan, saarCevno administraciaSi

„enm-Zala erToba-

Sias” warmomadgenelia, „qronika+”-

s eubneba, rom mosamarTles kanonSi

arc Cauxedavs, anu yuradRebac

ar miuqcevia, rom Jvanias

uwyebam normatiuli aqtiT kanoni

daarRvia.

bis gazrdil statistikaSi politikuri

manipulaciebi? _ gTavazobT

intervius zurab xaratiS-

vilTan:

_ amas winaT premierma gaxari-

am ganacxada, win ori toqsikuri

kvira gveliso. arCevnebamde ram-

denime dReRaa darCenili. batono

zurab, rogor fiqrobT, poli-

tikuri toqsikuroba daiklebs

Tu moimatebs da, saerTod, 31 oq-

tombers ra moxdeba?

_ yoveldRe uamravi ram xdeba

da wina ambavi axali katastrofuli

ambiT ifareba. saerTod, mas

Semdeg, rac xelisuflebaSi „ocneba”

movida, sul asea, Tumca bolo

dReebi, marTlac, Tavbrudamxvevia.

amitom imis Tqma, arCevnebamde

darCenil droSi kidev ra siurprizebi

gvelis, Zalian Znelia.

_ e. i., yvelaferi _ bankis

Zarcvidan dawyebuli, gazrdili

kovidstatistikiT damTavrebuli

_ arCevnebis konteqstSi unda

ganvixiloT?

_ yvelaferi es arCevnebze, ra

Tqma unda, gavlenas axdens. ai, magaliTad,

zugdidis movlenebs,

vfiqrob, arCevnebis Sedegebze sakmaod

didi gavlena eqneba... mokled,

winasaarCevno kampaniis

Catarebis saaSualeba, praqtikulad,

araa.

_ ratom?

_ sainformacio veli kriminaluri

ambebiTaa datvirTuli da,

Sesabamisad, saarCevno kampaniac

sustad mimdinareobs. sxvaTa

Soris, saarCevno kampanias mxolod

opozicia atarebs. ai, xelisufleba

ki arafers akeTebs, garda imisa,

rom maJoritarobis kandidatebs

waradgens.

_ maSasadame, gazrdili kriminali

da sxva negatiuri movlene-

bi 31 oqtombers xelisuflebis

wisqvilze daasxams wyals?

_ Zalian rTuli gasagebia, gavlenas

ra raze moaxdens... erTia

kovidis Tema _ daavadebulTa

raodenoba katastrofuli siCqariT

izrdeba; meore _ gazrdili

kriminali; da mesame _ arCevnebis

molodini. amitom Zalian rTuli

saprognozoa, gavlenas ra raze

axdens, Tumca ar mgonia, yvelaferi

es xelisuflebisTvis sasargeblo

iyos. sxvaTa Soris, aseTi mas-

Stabis kriminaluri movlenebi 90-

iani wlebis Semdeg, albaT, aRar

gvinaxavs.

_ CvenSi darCes da, „ocneba”

mianiSnebs, rom gazrdili kriminalis

ukan SesaZloa, wina xelisu-

fleba idges. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

zugdidis movlenebis dros e. w.

saxelisuflebo media im azris

kultivirebas cdilobda, rom

erT-erTi mZevali „nacmoZraobis”

zurab

xaratiSvili:

`Tu òcneba~

xelisuflebaSi

darCa, didi

xniT Zalian

Rrma WaobSi

CaveflobiT!~

mxardamWeria... rac Seexeba koro-

nas, batono zurab, xom ar

geCvenebaT, rom mmarTveli gundi

kovidinficirebulTa

zrdas

politikuri manipulaciisTvis

iyenebs? sxvaTa Soris, socialur

qselSi popularulia mosazreba,

rom arCevnebis Semdeg, e. i., pirve-

li noembridan, inficirebulTa

raodenoba daiklebs...

_ xelisuflebisa da misi saqmianobis

mimarT undobloba imdenad

didia, rom TandaTan Zneli gasagebi

xdeba, sad uniaTobaa, sad _

mavnebloba, sad _ winaswarganzraxuli

qmedeba da sad _ siregvene!

erTi sityviT, iseTi qaosia, rom

Tavsa da bolos verafers gaugeb.

„ocneba” cdilobs, yvelaferi mar-

Tos, magram sxva saqmea, es marTva

gamosdis Tu ara.

rac Seexeba kovids, kovidinficirebulTa

ricxvis zrdas mTlad

usafuZvlos ver davarqmev,

radgan daavadebulTa raodenoba

mTel msoflioSi izrdeba, magram

imis gamo, rasac saarCevno administracia

kovidTan dakavSirebiT akeTebs,

meqmneba STabeWdileba, rom

am situaciis gamoyeneba undaT.

_ batono zurab, es Tema CaSa-

leT da detalurad miTxariT,

cesko koronas rogor da ra

mizniT iyenebs?

_ ai, magaliTad, cota xnis win,

kovidTan dakavSirebiT, cesko-m

specialuri ubnebis Seqmnaze rekomendaciebi

miiRo. am specialur

ubnebSi, albaT, 30-dan 40 aTasamde

adamiani miscems xmas.

_ mere, amaSi cudi ra aris?

_ saintereso is gaxlavT, rom

kanonis Tanaxmad, saqarTvelos

teritoriaze specubnebis Seqmnis

òcnebisgan~ kargs aRaravin elodeba. yvelasTvis

yvelaferi TvalsaCinoa. òcnebis~ momxreebad is

adamianebi darCnen, romlebic xelisuflebaze

piradi interesebiT arian mibmulni da ician,

rom im privilegiebs, rac aqvT, sxva

xelisuflebis mosvlis Semdeg ver SeinarCuneben~

ufleba cesko-s ar aqvs.

_ aba, vis aqvs?

_ specubnebs saolqo saarCevno

komisia qmnis. cesko-s specubnebis

Seqmna mxolod ucxoeTSi SeuZlia,

magram axla, saqarTvelos teritoriaze,

specialuri ubnebi

TviTneburad Seqmna.

_ cesko-m kanoni SesaZloa, im-

itom daarRvia, rom koronis gamo

qveyanaSi erTgvari forsmaJoria.

_ mesmis, magram igive forsma-

Joris dros gadawyvetilebis

miRebis sxva saSualebebic arsebobs.

sxvaTa Soris, is kidev sxva

Temaa, koronis gamo Seqmnil specsiebSi

adamianebi rogor moxvdebian.

erTi sityviT, meqmneba STabe-

Wdileba, rom cdiloben, minimum,

30 aTasi xmiT manipulireba moaxdinon.

iciT, kidev ra xdeba? _ ubnis

dakompleqtebis wesSi, anu eqvs

wevrs zemdgomi olqi niSnavs, danarCens

partiebi da a. S., magram

zemoxsenebuli specubnebisTvis

specjgufebs Tavad cesko qmnis.

arada, kanoniT saarCevno administracias

aseTi specjgufis Seqmnis

ufleba mxolod maSin aqvs, Tu komisiis

wevrebi TavianT movaleobas

avadmyofobis an sxva ramis gamo

veRar asruleben.

_ aseTi specubani sul ramde-

nia, batono zurab?

_ 127. es cota araa da naTlad

Cans, rom yvela aseTi ubani gansakuTrebuli

riskis zona iqneba,

anu am adgilebSi manipulirebas

Seecdebian.

_ rogorc TqviT, kovidis gamo

Seqmnil specubnebSi, maqsimum, 40

aTasi adamiani miscems xmas. ormoci

aTasi xma, uxeSad rom viangari-

SoT, ori saparlamento mandatia.

hoda, ratom ggoniaT, rom „ocne-

ba” ase „daxurdavdeba” da ori ma-

ndatisTvis manipulaciebze wava?

_ „daxurdaveba” ra SuaSia? ki

batono, es 40 aTasi amomrCeveli

SeiZleba, 2-3 procentia, magram

marto kovidis Tema xom araa? amas

ucxoeTSi myofi amomrCevlebic

24

24 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.


arCevnebis gayalbebas gegmavs

unda davamatoT.

miuxedavad imisa, rom am TemiT

dainteresebuli var, ar vici,

saarCevno siaSi ucxoeTSi myofi

ra raodenobis amomrCevelia. ai,

magaliTad, 2012 wels aseTi amomrCeveli

300 aTasi iyo. mas mere 8

weli gavida da, logikurad rom

vimsjeloT, emigrantebis ricxvic

gaizarda. mokled, yvelaferi imaze

miuTiTebs, rom „ocneba” ecdeba,

arCevnebze mis xelT arsebuli

nebismieri saSualeba gamoiyenos,

anu kovidis TemaSi 2-3 procenti

rom moagvaros, es imas niSnavs, rom

es ori-sami procenti, romelic

„ocnebas” moemateba, opozicias

daakldeba da, saboloo jamSi,

SedegebSi, saSualod, 5-procentiani

sxvaoba iqneba. plus, amas, e.

w. karuselebzec 2-3 procenti modis.

ase „ocneba” 10 procentamde

mainc moagrovebs, rac saparlamento

arCevnebis dros, miT umetes,

saparlamento respublikaSi, sakmaod

mniSvnelovani foraa.

_ e. i., Tu „ocneba” xelisuflebaSi

darCa, pirveli noembri-

dan korona statistika daiklebs?

_ warmodgena ar maqvs, ras

izams, radgan amoralobis garda

saqme ucodinarobasa da qaosTanac

gvaqvs!

_ opozicias an arasamTavro-

bo seqtors ra berketebi aqvs,

rom arCevnebis gayalbeba ar

dauSvas, miT umetes, im fonze,

roca koronavirusis gamo ucxoe-

li damkvirveblebic ar Camodian?

_ maqsimaluri gaxmaureba, informireba

da prevencia. amis Semdeg

yvelafer amis definicia da

politikuri Sefaseba. es procesi

rac ufro Sekruli iqneba da

saTqmels yvela erTad ityvis, warmatebis

meti Sansi gaCndeba.

_ geTanxmebiT, magram opozi-

cia xom or frontze ibrZvis, anu

mxolod „ocnebas” ki ar upir-

ispirdeba, aramed sxvadasxva

opoziciuri partia angariSis

gasworebas erTmaneTTanac cdi-

lobs. es xom gamarjvebis Sanss

amcirebs, zurab batono?

_ opozicia erT azrze, ra Tqma

unda, ver iqneba da arc unda iyos,

Tumca rasac dRes vuyureb, TanamSromlobis

uprecedento formatia.

_ opoziciis TanamSromloba

raSi gamoixateba?

_ ai, magaliTad, xmebis gayalbebis

sawinaaRmdego jgufi muSaobs.

garda amisa, leiboristuli

partiis interpartiuli formatic

arsebobs, sadac garkveuli sakiTxebis

kordinacia xdeba. sxvaTa

Soris, Tu 30-wlian istorias gaviTvaliswinebT,

aseTi precedenti

ar yofila. gasagebia, rom opozi-

`xmebis gayalbebis sawinaaRmdego jgufi muSaobs. garda amisa,

leiboristuli partiis interpartiuli formatic arsebobs, sadac

garkveuli sakiTxebis kordinacia xdeba. sxvaTa Soris, Tu 30-wlian

istorias gaviTvaliswinebT, aseTi precedenti ar yofila. gasagebia, rom

opoziciuri partiebi erTmaneTis konkurentebi arian, magram miuxedavad

amisa, vfiqrob, rom maTi TanamSromloba maRal donezea~

ciuri partiebi erTmaneTis konkurentebi

arian, magram miuxedavad

amisa, vfiqrob, rom maTi TanamSromloba

maRal donezea. urTierTkritika

aris da unda iyos

kidec, magram Tu „ocnebam” gayalbebis

mTeli meqanizmebi aamuSava,

gansakuTrebiT arCevnebis dRes, es

konsolidaciis xarisxi kidev

ufro gaizrdeba.

_ RmerTma qnas, ase moxdes, ma-

gram Cemze kargad iciT, rom

arCevnebi uSualod xmis micemis-

as ki ara, manamde yalbdeba...

_ ra Tqma unda, magram faqtebi

mere Cans, anu siebis, ubnebis Tema

Tu sxva detalebi nel-nela grovdeba

da saboloo Sedegs arCevnebis

dRes iZleva. sxvaTa Soris,

ramdenime dRis win sruliad samarcxvino

sasamarTlo sxdoma

gaimarTa.

_ raze?

_ cesko-s zemoxsenebuli normatiuli

aqti gavasaCivreT. marTalia,

kanonSi SaviT TeTrze weria,

rom cesko-s specubnebis Seqmna

mxolod ucxoeTSi SeuZlia, magram

miuxedavad imisa, rom cesko-m

specubnebi saqarTveloSic Seqmna,

mosamarTlem kanonSi arsebuli

Canaweri ver „dainaxa”.

mokled, Zalian samarcxvino

viTarebaa da Tu arCevnebze yvelaferi

es ar SevcvaleT, maSin

didi xniT Zalian Rrma WaobSi CaveflobiT,

romelic dRes arsebul

Camyayebaze uaresi iqneba! „ocnebisgan”

kargs aRaravin elodeba.

yvelasTvis yvelaferi TvalsaCinoa.

„ocnebis” momxreebad is adamianebi

darCnen, romlebic xelisuflebaze

piradi interesebiT

arian mibmulni da ician, rom im

privilegiebs, rac aqvT, sxva xelisuflebis

mosvlis Semdeg ver

SeinarCuneben. amas emateba administraciuli

da finansuri resursebic.

meore mxares ki qarTveli

xalxi dgas, romelsac „ocnebis”

xelisuflebaSi darCena ar unda.

erTi minimaluri logikuri argumentic

ki ar arsebobs, rom rigiTma

amomrCevelma „ocnebas” mxari

dauWiros.

_ vnaxoT, xalxi ra gadaw-

yvetilebas miiRebs... ise, batono

zurab, „enm-Zala erTobaSias”

proporciul siaSi xarT?

_ ara, ar var. cesko-Si warmomadgeneli

var.

_ ucnauria, rom siis miRma

aRmoCndiT...

_ garkveulwilad, Sida SeTanxmebebi

iyo.

_ raze?

_ vin ra pozicias daikavebda.

iqidan gamomdinare, rom arCevneb-

`Cvens infeqcionistebs rom davujeroT,

belarusSi xalxi quCaSi unda eyaros, anu

gamwydariyo, magram am qveyanas saamiso

araferi etyoba. ise, lukaSenkoze SeiZleba,

bevri ram vTqvaT, magram koronis Temas,

òcnebisgan~ gansxvavebiT, protestantebis

winaaRmdeg ar iyenebs!~

Si gamarjvebisa da sxvadasxva opoziciur

partiasTan erTad koaliciuri

xelisuflebis Camoyalibebis

imedi gvaqvs, interesebs mere

gaviTvaliswinebT.

_ maSasadame, koaliciur mTavrobaSi

SesaZloa, romelime min-

istris savarZeli miiRoT?

_ yvela politikosi parlamentSi

ki ar midis...

_ ise, batono zurab, enm-s

proporciul sias gamarjvebis

siad TvliT?

_ siaze bevri kritika arsebobs

da mec am kritikosebis mxares var,

magram axla mTavari isaa, rom „ocneba”,

romelic qveyanas Slis da

angrevs, xelisuflebidan gavuSvaT.

amis fonze yvelaferi, maT

Soris, siac, meorexarisxovania.

„ocnebas” xelisuflebidan rom gavuSvebT,

siasa da sxva sakiTxebs

mere mivubrundebiT!

_ isic meorexarisxovania, 9-

subieqtian „Zala erTobaSiaSi”

arCevnebis win mxolod xuTi sub-

ieqtiRa rom darCa?

_ es sxva Temaa.

_ anu?

_ rac moxda, logikuric iyo.

politikuri koalicia, sadac 10

subieqtia, isev arsebobs. saarCevno

blokSi ki, saarCevno kanonmdeblobidan

gamomdinare, xuT wevrze

meti mizanSewonili araa. amitomac

igive politikuri partia,

romelsac me warmovadgen, saarCevno

koaliciaSi aRar SeviyvaneT.

_ batono zurab, mgoni, xvdeb-

iT, rom gulubryvilo ar var.

_ diax.

_ hoda, Tu saarCevno blokSi

xuT wevrze metis yofna mizanSe-

wonili araa, aba, 2018 wels, roca

„Zala erTobaSia” Seiqmna, ratom

miiReT sajaro memorandumi da

pirobac dadeT, rom saparlamento

arCevnebSi es mravalsubieq-

tiani gaerTianeba erTiani siiT

gamovidoda?

_ mas mere kanonmdebloba Seicvala.

_ mesmis, magram Secvlil

kanonmdeblobaSi arsad weria,

rom saarCevno blokSi xuT sub-

ieqtze meti ar unda iyos...

_ diax, kanoniT, saarCevno blokis

wevrTa raodenoba gansazRvruli

araa, magram qarTuli kanonmdebloba

iseTia, rom Tu saarCevno

blokSi bevri wevria, TiToeuli

wevri sustdeba. amitom optimaluri

oTx-xuTwevriani saarCevno

blokia. sxvaTa Soris, bolo dros

„ocnebam” kanoni ise Secvala, rom

blokis Sesaqmnelad motivacia naklebia.

swored amitomac wlevandel

arCevnebSi bevri subieqtia,

bloki ki mxolod _ ori, Cveni da

giorgi vaSaZisa da Tamar Carkvianis.

arsebul situaciaSi Cveni

mxridanac garkveuli kompromisi

iyo, rom xuTwevriani saarCevno

bloki SevqmeniT. vimedovneb, am xelisuflebis

Secvlis Semdeg kanonSi

arsebul xarvezebs gavasworebT.

_ batono zurab, marTalia,

darwmunebuli xarT, rom 31 oqtombers

xelisufleba aucile-

blad Seicvleba, magram vTqvaT,

ise moxda, rom „ocnebam” demok-

ratiis yvela wesi Tu piroba

daarRvia da xelisuflebis saTa-

veSi mesamedac darCa, ai, aseT Sem-

TxvevaSi ra moxdeba?

_ gaaCnia, rogor darCeba.

_ kerZod?

_ Tu moigo, problemebiT, magram

mainc darCeba, magram Tu iZalada

da arCevnebi daSinebiT, cematyepiTa

da gayalbebiT moigo, amas,

ra Tqma unda, aravin moiTmens da

amis magaliTebi Zalian bevri gvaqvs.

mokled, protesti iqneba, Tumca

ra formiT da ra masStabiT,

amaze dRes veravin ilaparakebs.

_ e. i., fiqrobT, rom sazogadoeba

igive koronas ar SeuSindeba

da saprotestod quCaSi gam-

ova?

_ korona belarusSicaa, magram

9 agvistodan dRemde, yovel SabaTsa

Tu kviras, 50, 100 an 200-aTasiani

mitingi imarTeba, Tumca ar

gamigia, rom belarusSi korona

maincdamainc afeTqebuliyo.

_ sxvaTa Soris, lukaSenkom

mkacri zomebi arc pirveli tal-

Ris dros gaatara...

_ diax da Cvens infeqcionistebs

rom davujeroT, belarusSi

xalxi quCaSi unda eyaros, anu gamwydariyo,

magram am qveyanas saamiso

araferi etyoba. ise, lukaSenkoze

SeiZleba, bevri ram vTqvaT,

magram koronis Temas, „ocnebisgan”

gansxvavebiT, protestantebis

winaaRmdeg ar iyenebs!

_ gamoricxavT, rom „ocnebam”

pirvel noembers sagangebo mdgo-

mareoba gamoacxados da xalxis

quCaSi gamosvlas xeli ase SeuSa-

los?

_ ar mgonia, saqme aqamde mivides,

Tumca „ocnebas” morali Seawuxebs,

zneoba Tu Wkua dauSlis

an, rogorc ityvian, Tanamdeboba?!

_ erTi sityviT, yvelafris

miuxedavad, optimisturad xarT

ganwyobili da darwmunebuli br-

ZandebiT, rom 31 oqtombers cv-

lilebebi gardauvalia, ara?

_ ra Tqma unda. saerTod, yvelasTvis

cxadia, rom „ocnebam” mTlianad

amowura Tavi da masze

dadebiTs trol-botebis garda,

romlebic „feisbuqSi” bevrni arian,

aRaravin ambobs, Tumca am ganwyobis

saarCevno yuTebSi transformacia

absoluturad sxva Temaa.

31 oqtombers gadamwyveti faqtoric

swored es iqneba.

_ gmadlobT, batoni zurab da

warmatebebs gisurvebT!

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

25


afTiaqi _ amomrCevlisTvis

yvela winasaarCveno kazusi Ta-

Tamar rostiaSvili

visi cema-tyepebiT, Tvalis gam-

577 10 07 06

oTxrebiT, tiris Tofidan sro-

lebiT da partiuli afTiaqebis

gaxsnebiT mxolod mcire nawilia im darRvevebis, rac 3 oq-

tombridan dRemde xdeba saqarTveloSi. „qronika+~ mxolod

mcire maTgans, kerZod 10 faqts warmogidgenT, romelic ase

farTod ar gaxmaurebula.

faqti #1

didi cema-tyepa atyda gorisa

da kaspis saarCevno olqSi.

„evropuli saqarTvelos” ma-

Joritari deputatobis kandidat

levan TarxniSvilsa da misi

Stabis wevrebs sofel mejvrisxevSi

Tavs daesxnen. policiasTan

xatovnad aRweres Tavdasxmis

detalebi fexis ileTebiT. „evropuli

saqarTvelos” informaciiT,

Tavdamsxmelebi „qarTuli

ocnebis” arafxizel mdgomareobaSi

myofi aqtivistebi iyvnen.

maT jer TarxniSvilisa da „evropuli

saqarTvelos” saarCevno

plakatebs „qarTuli ocnebis”

plakatebi gadaakres, Semdeg

ki partiis wevrebs fizikurad

gauswordnen.

adgilze mosuli samarTaldamcavebis

winaSe „qarTuli

ocnebis” warmomadgenlebi ar

dabneulan da provokaciaSi Tavad

„evropuli saqarTvelo”

daadanaSaules.

faqti #2

TbilisSi „Tavisufali saqar-

Tvelos” afTiaqi gaixsna. axla

es fraza unda avxsnaT, imitom

rom kacobriobis istoriaSi

pirvelad „politikurma partiam”

gaxsna afTiaqi. mere ra,

rom winasaarCevnod! partiis

lider kaxa kukavas gancxadebiT,

Tbiliselebsa da mis stumrebs

amieridan medikamentebis SeZena

maTTvis SeRavaTian fasebSi See-

ZlebaT. kukavas ar uTqvams, ra

bedi elis afTiaqs arCevnebis

dasrulebis Semdeg. daxuraven,

albaT! Tu ar daxures da es ra

iqneba _ politikuri partiis biznessaqmianoba?

rac ar unda

iafi iyos, yidian wamlebs, xom

ar Cuqnian mosaxleobas.

mainc SevaxsenoT partiis liderebs

(postsaarCevnod afTiaqis

daxurvis SemTxvevaSi), rom

amomrCevlis mosyidva sisxlis

samarTlis kodeqsis 1641-e muxliT

isjeba „da kido” sam wlamde

Tavisuflebis aRkveTiT.

faqti #3

quTaisSi „lelos” Stabis

wevrs paata kikabiZes fizikurad

gauswordnen. vakonkretebT: igi

xelSia daWrili da quTaisis

saavadmyofoSi Tvalis Senar-

Cunebis mkurnaloba Cautarda.

Tvalic dauzianes. „lelos”

erT-erTi lideris, ana nacvliSvilis

TqmiT, angariSsworeba

politikuri gaxldaT, vinaidan

Tavdamsxmelze kikabiZes avtomobilSi

ganTavsebulma „lelos”

saagitacio plakatebma ise

imoqmedes, rogorc toreadoris

xarze wiTelma qsovilma. Tavdamsxmeli

daakaves. danaSauli

erT wlamde vadiT Tavisuflebis

aRkveTas iTvaliswinebs.

ras izams (adamiani iqiT iyos

da) partia amomrCevlis gamo.

ori dRis Semdeg ki quTaisis

ofisSi gamarTul brifingze

igive ana nacvliSvilma, maJoritarobis

kandidatma, ganacxada,

rom partiis wevris cemis faqt-

Si „politikuri motivacia ar

ikveTeba”, rom mas gansxvavebuli

informacia miawodes, ris

gamoc faqti politikur angariSsworebad

Seafasa. partiaSi

Catarebuli Sida gamoZiebiT ki

daadgines, rom paata kikabiZis

cema politikur motivs ar ukav-

Sirdeboda. ratomRac, kiTxva ar

daisva, _ Tu „lelos” wevris

cema politikuri ar aris, maSin

mizezi „sadouria” _ mezobluri?

samsaxurebrivi? wina cxovrebis

gadmonaSTia? quTaisi didi

qalaqia da raRa StabSi moundomes

Tavdaxma?

faqti #4

qvemo qarTlSi baRisa da skolis

maswavleblebs daerivnen.

sofel qsnis sajaro skolis

direqtoris movaleobis Semsrulebel

dodo WotorliSvils,

misive gancxadebiT, Tanamdebobaze

yofnis uflebamosilebis

vada aRar gaugrZeles. yofili

direqtori ambobs, rom ojaxis

wevrebis politikuri simpaTiebis

gamo isjeba. dodo WotorliSvilis

TqmiT, misi Svili arc

erTi partiis wevri ar aris,

Tumca mxars uWers da exmareba

opoziciuri „Zala erTobaSias”

maJoritar kandidatebs kaxa

oqriaSvilsa da cezar CoCels.

is aseve ambobs, rom sxva direqtorebs,

vinc xelisuflebisa da

mmarTveli partiis mimarT mikerZoebulia,

gaugrZeles xelSekrulebebi.

politikuri niSniT Tanamdebobidan

ganTavisuflebaze saubrobs

aseve werovnis me-3 sajaro

skolis yofili direqtori

ramin CitaSvili. mizezad

is cezar CoCelTan „Zala erTobaSias”

maJoritari deputatobis

kandidatis naTesaobasa da

mis mxardaWeras asaxelebs. dodo

WotorliSvilis msgavsad,

masac uflebamosilebis gasvlis

Semdeg xelSekrulebis vada aRar

gaugrZeles. CitaSvili acxadebs,

rom yoveli arCevnebis win

Txovdnen, gaekeTebina siebi partiis

(igulisxmeba „qarTuli

ocneba”) momxreebisa da mowinaaRmdegeebis,

razedac is uars

acxadebda. aseve misi TqmiT, mas

moqmedma gamgebelma, Salva kereseliZem

SeuTvala, rom imisTvis

unda daeWira mxari, romelic

„qarTuli ocnebis” maJoritari

deputatobis kandidatia.

faqti #5

quTaisSi „evropuli saqarTvelos”

maJoritari deputatobis

kandidat oTar kaxiZis cnobiT,

partiis ofiss agurebi dauSines.

vangariSobT _ 1 cali kvercxi

(soflis) 50 TeTri Rirs.

erTi cali pomidori _ 0,80 _1

lari gamodis, erTi aguri _ 5

lari. „qarTul ocneba” aSkarad

ar eweva ekonomias, roca saqme

saarCevno kampanias exeba.

Sinagan saqmeTa saministros

informaciiT, partiis ofisis

dazianebis faqtze warsulSi nasamarTlevi

piri amxiles da daadgines,

rom miyenebulma zaralma

80 lari Seadgina.

faqti #6

policiaSi gamokiTxvaze daibares

politikuri gaerTianeba

„lelos” aqtivisti raSad musaevi.

dabarebis mizezi mis mier

socialur qselSi gavrcelebuli

muqaris Semcveli video iyo,

sadac „qarTuli ocnebis” partiis

wevr savalan mirzoevs mokvliT

emuqreboda. videos av-

Tenturoba Tavad musaevma daadastura

da ganmarta, rom is

videoSi „politikur mkvlelobas”

gulisxmobda.

raSad musaevma ganacxada, rom

muqaris msxverpli Tavad iyo.

misi TqmiT, mas mirzoevis megobari

daukavSirda da uTxra,

rom arCevnebis Semdeg misTvis

narkotikuli saSualebebis

„Cadebas” apirebdnen. video Tavdacvis

mizniT swored amitom

Cawera da mirzoevisTvis arafris

daSavebas apirebda.

cota CaxlarTuli ambavia aq,

magram azerbaijaneli moZme

politikur abreviaturaSi Secda.

politikuri mkvleloba igive

fizikuri mkvlelobaa, romelsac

politikuri safuZveli

udevs. magaliTad, zviad gamsaxurdia

_ politikuri mkvleloba

iyo, mahaTma gandi da yadafic.

advokats mainc ganemarta...

26

26 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.


da tiris Tofi _ dundulosTvis

faqti #7

axalcixeSi, aspinZis quCis

mcxovreblebis gancxadebiT, maT

ezoSi meriis erT-erTi samsaxuris

TanamSromelma pur-marili

miitana da uTxra, rom es

„qarTuli ocnebis” moqmedma

deputatma, giorgi kopaZem da

maJoritari deputatobis kandidatma

anton obolaSvilma

„ikisres”. meriis erT-erTi samsaxuris

TanamSromeli ambobs,

rom „qarTuli ocnebis” deputatsa

da maJoritar kandidats

pur-marilis gaSla Tavad adgilobrivebma

sTxoves. kopaZe da

obolaSvili ki am faqts uaryofen.

nakisri pur-marili cota

ucnauri Temaa, kidev ufro ucnauria

misi gapolitikureba.

axalcixis municipalitetis

sofel musxis mkvidri irwmuneba,

rom „qarTuli ocnebis” warmomadgeneli,

giorgi filiSvili,

arCevnebSi mmarTveli

partiis mxardaWeris sanacvlod

1000 lars dahpirda.

faqti #8

marneulis sofel sadaxloSi

„evropuli saqarTvelos” erTerT

aqtivists, savaraudod,

tiris Tofidan esroles. SemTxveva

maSin moxda, rodesac

partiis aqtivisti sofelSi

saarCevno baners akravda.

gagrZelebas moismenda kaci.

pirveli: tiris Tofi sad esroles

(rogorc wesi, erTi adgilia

am kalibrisTvis amorCeuli)

da meore, moxvda Tu ara?

faqti #9

bolnisis raionis sofel naxidorSi,

„gaerTianebuli opoziciis”

mxardamWerebis gancxadebiT,

„qarTuli ocnebis” ma-

Joritari deputatobis kandidat

gogi meSvelianis Zma, aTeulobiT

mxardamWerTan erTad,

CaixanaSi SeiWra, Tavs daesxa

opozicioner aqtivistebs da

maT fizikurad gausworda. dapirispirebis

Sedegad ramdenime

aqtivistma miiRo sxeulis dazianeba,

ris gamoc isini saavadmyofoSi

gadaiyvanes. aRniSnul

faqtTan dakavSirebiT 4 oqtombers

prokuraturam „erTiani

nacionaluri moZraobisa” da

gaerTianebuli opoziciis mxardamWer

arif iusupovs Zaladobis

braldeba warudgina. misi

ganTavisuflebis moTxovniT

bolnisSi aqcia gaimarTa. aqciis

monawileebi fiqroben, rom

iusupovi dazaralebulia da igi

politikuri Sexedulebis gamo

daakaves.

faqti #10

zugdidis municipalitetis

erT-erT skolaSi direqtorma

maswavleblebs „qarTuli ocnebis”

mxardamWerTa siis mitana

mosTxova, erT-erT sxva skola-

Si ki imave partiis maJoritarobis

kandidat irakli Ciqovanis

winasaarCevno Sexvedraze daswreba

sTxova, radgan, misi

TqmiT, partiidan daurekes da

maswavleblebis Sekreba sTxoves.

orive pirma anonimurad darCena

isurva.

direqtoris mier maswavleblis

iZuleba, Seasrulos iseTi

moqmedeba, romlis Sesrulebisgan

Tavis Sekavebac misi uflebaa,

sisxlis samarTlis kodeqsis

150-e muxliT gaTvaliswinebuli

danaSaulia.

axla 2016-is msgavsad Sua gakrefilebi

aRar arian, piriqiT, bevri partia

axlad nawvimarze gamravlebuli sokoebiviT

moedo saqarTvelos. umravlesi

partiis dRevandeli mTavari gzavnili

erTia: biZina aRar!

centrisgan gansxvavebiT qaosia regionebSic.

rogorc Cans, kaxeTis kuratori

„qarTul ocnebaSi” irakli RaribaSvilia.

RaribaSvili, ZiriTadad, winandalSia

gamagrebuli da iqidan akvirdeba

regionSi mimdinare procesebs. mas mere,

rac Tavdacvac avayvaveT, vipremiereT

da yvela imedi avusruleT biZinas,

aRmoCnda, rom mTlad mizans ver mivaRwiT...

am arCevnebmade ori wliT adre

yvelas axsovs 2018 wlis arCevnebi TelavSi.

procesebi pirvelsa da meore

turSi salomes damarcxebiT dasrulda.

mere yvela kiTxulobda, _ ratom?

rogor? vin dauSva?

arada, xalxma ase gadawyvita da mor-

Ca! maSin TelavSi zuzumbos dasaxleba-

Si meore turisTvis alternatiuli Stabi

gaixsna, romelsac Tavdacvis ministri

RaribaSvili afinansebda. Stabs

Telavelma Zvelma biWebma „namdvili

Telavelebis Stabi” uwodes. quCaSi kaci

aRar darCa, yvela iq iyo... rogor ar

daixarjnen... ra „razborka” ar Caatares,

magram mainc mwared waages...

wagebis Semdeg ki Telavelebis Stabi

„ocnebis” „glavni” Stabs abralebda

wagebas, „glavni” Stabi ki _ „naRdi Telavelebis”

gaaqtiurebas. mogvianebiT,

„naRdebma” fuli moiTxoves, _ wavageT,

magram ukanali xom avwieTo?! magram fuli

ar iyo... rogorc maSin uTxres „zevidan”,

_ Tqveni fuli jamSi 30 000 lari

iyo da isic mogeciTo... arada, SeuZle-

xelisuflebas jer kidev Zvel saberZneTSi

maka mosiaSvili

irCevdnen. Sua saukuneebSi berZnul polisSi arse-

599 97 25 55

bobda pirdapiri demokratia _ xalxi midioda aTe-

nis agoraze da koleqtiurad iRebda politikur

gadawyvetilebas. dRes TiTqos arCevnebs xalxi ki ara, ori-sami kaci Tu atarebs...

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

beli gaxldaT 30 000-sad „karenoi biWebis”

gapolitikoseba.

mogvianebiT, roca arCevnebma gadaiara,

bevri mixvda, rom TelavSi „ocnebis”

wagebis erT-erTi mizezi swored im

alternatiuli Stabis Seqmna iyo. mosaxleoba

maSin imaze ufro gabrazda, rom

ubnis Zveli biWebi gacocxldnen da

ojax-ojax Wkuis darigebebi daiwyes...

Stabobanas TamaSi axlac Cvenma iraklim

iTava, igive Senoba aiRo zuzumboze da

irakli da

alternatiuli Stabi

winandalSi gamagrebuli

Tavdacvis ministris

winasaarCevno peripetiebi

alternatiuli „karenoi” biWebis Stabic

Seqmna. Tumca ra?

davaleba aseTia:

_ ra valdebulebebi gaqvT

arCevnebze?

_ axla Cveni valdebulebaa, arCevnebis

dRes 3 saaTidan daviwyoT im adamianebis

gamoyvana saxlidan, visac arCevnebze ar

unda wasvla. wina arCevnebze Cvenma Stabma

meore turSi imuSava da miiRo kidec

2000-ze meti xma, magram dagvianebuli iyo,

ukve ver SevZeliT drouli muSaoba.

_ rogor fiqrobT, vin xarT?

_ Cven isini varT, vinc „ocneba” moiyvana

xelisuflebaSi, magram 2016 wlis

mere quCaSi davrCiT. gana, raa, vin gvaqcevs

yuradRebas?! arc aravin... magram

qveyanas „nacebs” ver CavabarebT...

_ irakli SegxvdaT, RaribaSvili?

_ ki, Segvxvda. rogorc Cans, alternatiuli

Stabis wevrebis gamoCena „glavni”

StabTan uxerxulobas Seuqmnis xelisuflebas.

Tumca maTi upatronod datoveba imis

niSania, rom eseni arCevnebze araTu „ocnebam”,

aramed SesaZloa, sxva romelme

politikurma jgufma waiyvanos.

amitom qalaqis ganapiras arsebuli

Stabi swored maTTvis Seiqmna. rogorc

cnobilia, Stabs erTxel ukve Sexvda irakli

RaribaSvili. ra daariga an ra mouwoda,

amas mniSvneloba didad ar aqvs,

mniSvneloba aqvs quCis xmebis mobilizebas.

viRacas ludis farTi axarebs, vi-

Racas _ ufaso sigareti da yava...

ra Tanxas xarjavs alternatiuli

StabisTvis „ocneba”, es jer ucnobia.

2012 wels alternatiuli Stabis wevrebi

araTu „ocnebis”, aramed swored „nacionaluri

moZraobis” ofisTan iyvnen

mibmulebi. xelisuflebas cvlilebam ma-

Ti misamarTic Secvala.

saintereso is aris, rom dRemde uStabod

arian darCenilebi gogaSvilis jgufebi.

isini arCevnebis dasrulebas elodebian

pirvel turSi da meore turisTvis Tavisi

moTxovnebiT gegmaven gamoCenas.

am politikur dinamikaSi ideologiuri

brZola, ramdenadac fermkrTali

ar unda iyos is qarTul realobaSi, ZiriTadad,

centridan mimdinareobs.

27

Tamar rostiaSvili

577 10 07 06

„qronika+~ iwyebs cikls saqar-

Tvelos universitetebSi aRmoCenili darRvevebis Sesaxeb.

Tavidan daviwyebT da mivyvebiT yvela im detals, romlis

winaSec dRes qveynis umaRlesi saswavleblebi dganan.


da, rom SeuZlebeli iyo momavalSi

maTi damoukideblad

funqcionireba, rac dasturdeba

auditis mimdinareobis procesSi

ssip saqarTvelos teqnikuri

universitetis arqiteqturuli

uzrunvelyofis departametis

mier momzadebuli

ijariT gacemuli farTis azomviTi

naxazebiT. kerZod: saijaro

xelSekrulebebis Sesabamisad,

475 kv.m. farTobis nawil-

Si mowyobili sasadilo darbazi

realurad mikuTvnebulia

sxva saijaro xelSekrulebis

251.8 kv.m.-Si ganTavsebul samzareulos,

sakuWnaosa da svel

wertilebs. aseve komerciuli

subieqti, romelic gaformebuli

xelSekrulebebis Sesabamisad

flobs 141 kv.m. saofise

farTs, ganuyoflad dakavSirebulia

251.8 kv.m. saijaro far-

TobTan. xolo saijaro xelSekrulebis

Sesabamisad, 251.8 kv.m.

farTobSi funqcionirebs ori

damoukidebeli kvebis obieqti,

romelTac aqvT saerTo samzareulo.

ijariT gasacem far-

Tebs hqondaT saerTo misasvleli,

saerTo moxmarebis sanitariuli

kvanZi, xanZarsawinaaRmdego

da saventilacio sistemebi.

zogierT farTs sxva saijaro

farTze gavlis gareSe ar

hqonda damoukidebeli misasvleli.

TiToeul farTze calcalke

misasvlelis mowyoba

dakavSirebuli iyo damatebiT

xarjebTan da komerciul mimzidvelobas

ukargavda mas. Sedegad

_ ijariT gasacemi farTebi

ise gavida auqcionze, rom

erTianobaSi ganxilvisas, zogierTi

farTis nawilis erTmane-

TTan zeddeba (gadafarva) iyo.

swored am garemoebebis gamo

daikarga kvebis obieqtad funqcionirebis

mizniT calke aRebuli

TiToeuli farTis mimarT

komerciuli interesi da Seiz-

Ruda konkurentuli garemo.

teqnikuri universitetis

mier gamocxadebul yvela auqcionze

monawileobda erTader-

Ti kompania _ Sps „vila Zara”,

amitom es ukanaskneli gamarjvebulad

gamocxadda. aseve

„qarTuli ocnebis” xelisuflebis

saTaveSi mosvlisTanave

gamocxadebul auqcionze calke

saijaro obieqtad gavida

1051 kv.m. arasasoflo-sameurneo

miwis nakveTi, romelic mdebareobs

arasacxovrebeli far-

Tebis gaswvriv, mTel monakve-

Tze da funqciurad erTiani,

ganuyofeli uZravi qonebis er-

Teuls warmoadgens. misi calke,

rogorc damoukidebel aqtivad

gamoyeneba, garkveul ganusazRvrelobebTan

da sirTuleebTan

aris dakavSirebuli: pirveli _

samSeneblo TvalsazrisiT misi

funqciouri daniSnuleba Sez-

Rudulia; meore _ arasacxovrebel

farTebTan misasvleli

mxolod am miwis nakveTze gadis,

servitutiT datvirTva ki

garkveul sirTuleebTan aris

dakavSirebuli. aRniSnulma ganapiroba,

rom mocemul lotSi

ukonkurento garemoSi gaimarjva

mimdebare saswavlo korpusebis

cokolis sarTulze ganTavsebuli

farTebis erTaderTma

moijarem, Sps „vila Zaram”.

mosalodnel am konkretul

Sedegze miuTiTebda 2016 wlis

13 maiss auditoruli kompania

Sps „audit-reformtoris” mier

miwis nakveTis saauqciono sabazro

Rirebulebis Sefasebis mizniT

Sesrulebuli auditoruli

daskvnac, sadac aRniSnulia,

rom „me-4 da me-3 saswavlo korpusebis

Senobis cokolis sarTulze

arsebuli Senobis

farTi, romlis gaswvriv ganTavsebulia

gasaqiravebeli miwis far-

Ti, xelSekrulebis safuZvelze

ijaris wesiT gadacemulia iuridiul

pirebze, sadac funqcionirebs

sazogadoebrivi kvebis

obieqtebi da, savaraudod, aRniSnuli

iuridiuli pirebi iqnebian

miwis farTis moijareebi”.

gaformebuli xelSekrulebis

mixedviT, saijaro qiram

Seadgina 1726 aSS dolari Tve-

Si, anu 1 (erTi) kv.m.-ze 1.64 aSS

ratom flobs kaxeTis

fermeruli kompania

saqarTvelos teqnikuri

universitetis

Senobis nawils?

Tavis droze, saxelmwifo auditis

samsaxurma Caatara

saqarTvelos ganaTlebis saministros

kontrolirebad umaRles

saganmanaTleblo dawesebulebebSi

ZiriTadi da aramwarmoebluri

aqtivebis marTvis

Sesabamisobis auditi.

saqarTvelos teqnikur universitetsa

da Sps „vila Zaras”

Soris gaformebuli 11 xelSekrulebis

safuZvelze moijareze

(Sps „vila Zara”) sargeblobaSi

ijaris formiT gadacemuli

iyo saswavlo korpusebSi

arsebuli arasacxovrebeli farTebi

da miwis nakveTebi. aRniSnuli

xelSekrulebebidan eqvsi

gaformda Sesamowmebel periodSi,

xolo danarCeni xuTi gaformebuli

iyo wina periodSi.

amasTanave, cxra SemTxvevaSi

ijaris sagans warmoadgenda q.

TbilisSi, kostavas q. N77-Si

mdebare III-IV saswavlo korpusebis,

cokolis sarTulze arsebul

farTi da mis mimdebared

arsebuli arasasoflo daniSnulebis

miwis nakveTi, xolo

or SemTxvevaSi _ kostavas q.

N71-Si universitetis me-7 saswavlo

korpusis pirvel sarTulze

mdebare arasacxovrebeli

farTi. mocemul farTebSi Sps

„vila-ZarasTan” gaformebuli

qveijaris xelSekrulebebis

safuZvelze, samewarmeo saqmianobas

axorcielebda ramdenime

iuridiuli piri.

yovelgvari samarTlebrivi

safuZvlis gareSe, Sps „vila

Zaras” faqtobriv sargebloba-

Si iyo ssip saqarTvelos teqnikuri

universitetis III da IV saswavlo

korpusebs Soris saijaro

farTis Tavze mowyobili

96.12 kv.m e. w. antresoli,

romelic universitetsa da Sps

„vila Zaras” Soris gaformebuli

xelSekrulebebis mixedviT,

ar warmoadgenda ijaris obieqts.

aseve universitetsa da

Sps „vila Zaras” Soris gaformebuli

xelSekrulebiT ijaris

obieqti iyo kostavas q. N71-Si,

stu-s VII saswavlo korpusis

pirvel sarTulze mdebare 100

kv.m. arasacxovrebeli farTi.

28

azomviTi naxazis mixedviT ki

mocemul misamarTze moijaris

faqtobriv sargeblobaSi iyo

135.17 kv.m. farTi. sul Sps

„vila Zara” aramarTlzomierad

flobda da ekonomikur saqmianobaSi

iyenebda ssip saqarTvelos

teqnikuri universitetis

kuTvnil 131.29 kv.m. arasacxovrebel

farTs. Sedegad, savaraudod,

miuRebelma Semosavalma

Seadgina 71.8 aTasi lari.

saqarTvelos teqnikuri universitetis

mier q. TbilisSi,

kostavas q. N77-Si mdebare III-

IV korpusebis, cokolis sarTulze

arsebuli farTebis ijaris

formis gasacemad kvebis

obieqtis mowyobis pirobiT gamocxadda

10-pirobiani auqcioni.

auqcionis pirobebi Seicavda

auqcionSi monawileobis potenciuri

msurvelebisTvis

damabrkolebel garemoebebs.

kerZod: auqcionze gatanili

farTebi imdagvarad danawevr-

`xelSekrulebis moqmedebis mTeli periodis

ganmavlobaSi, moijaris mxridan ar

Catarebula saauqciono pirobis Sesrulebis

mdgomareobis monitoringi. 2016 wlis 31

dekembrisTvis Sps `vila-Zaras~ mimarT

vadagadacilebuli moTxovnebia saijaro qiraze

233,41 aTas laris odenobiT. 2015-2016 wlebSi

moijare xelSekrulebiT gaTvaliswinebuli

ijaris safasurs ixdida sistematurad

dagvianebiT. meijares saijaro safasuris

gadaxdis vadagadacilebaze xelSekrulebiT

gaTvaliswinebuli sanqciebi ar gamouyenebia

da Sesabamisad, Sps `vila-Zaras~ pirgasamtexlo

2015-2016 wlebis ganmavlobaSi ar gadauxdia.

universitetis safinanso samsaxuris mier

mowodebuli cnobiT, Sps `vila-Zaraze~ saijaro

qiris gadaxdis vadis darRvevaze dasaricxi

pirgasamtexlo Seadgens 2015 wels 32,16 aTas

lars, xolo 2016 wels - 6,2 aTas lars. sul

jamurad Sesamowmebel periodSi - 38,36 aTas

lars. sul, 2016 wlis 31 dekembris

mdgomareobiT, ssip saqarTvelos teqnikuri

universitetisTvis Sps `vila-Zaras~

gadasaxdeli hqonda vadagadacilebuli

davalianeba saijaro qiris mixedviT - 233,41

aTasi lari da pirgasamtexlo saijaro qiris

gadaxdis vadis darRvevaze - 38,36 aTasi lari~

dolari. miuxedavad imisa, rom

ijaris xelSekrulebas vada

gauvida 2015 wlis 31 dekembers,

mocemuli miwis nakveTebiT sargeblobda

da mas ekonomikur

saqmianobaSi iyenebda Sps „vila

Zara”. ssip saqarTvelos teqnikurma

universitetma moijares

xelSekrulebis vadagasul

srul periodze daaricxa saijaro

qira xelSekrulebiT gaTvaliswinebuli

pirobebiT. 2016

wlis ivlisSi gamocxadda eleqtronuli

auqcioni sawyisi saijaro

qiriT 10 510 lari/Tve-

Si, anu 10 lari 1 kv.m.-ze, sadac

aravin miiRo monawileoba. amis

Semdgom, 2017 wlis maisSi gamocxadebul

auqcionSi, romlis

mixedviT, sawyisi saijaro qira

iyo mkveTrad Semcirebuli _ 3

816 lari TveSi, anu 1kv.m.-ze

3.63 lari TveSi. am auqcionze

gamarjvebulad gamocxadda er-

TaderTi monawile _ Sps „vila

Zara” da masTan gaformebuli

xelSekrulebiT saijaro qiram

Seadgina 4 198 lari TveSi, rac

1 kv.m.-ze 3.99 lars Seadgenda.

Sps „vila Zara” da qvemoijareebi

warmoadgenen urTierTdamokidebul

kompaniebs da afilirebuli

arian ssip

saqarTvelos teqnikur universitetTan,

vinaidan pirebi,

romlebic SromiT urTierTobaSi

arian an iyvnen universitetTan,

amavdroulad, warmoadgenen

mocemuli kompaniebis partniorebis

axlo naTesavebs.

Sps „vila Zaras” 100%-iani wilis

mflobeli kompaniis mesaku-

Tris axlo naTesavebi dasaqmebuli

arian ssip saqarTvelos

teqnikur universitetSi. Sedegad

gaizarda SeTanxmebuli qmedebis

SesaZlebloba da Camoyalibda

konkurencia SemzRudveli

saauqciono pirobebiT.

28 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

gagrZeleba 37-e gv.

Tengiz abloTia


SeTqmulebis sxvadasxva Teoria sxvadasxva sakiTxze mTel

msoflioSi popularulia _ martiv movlenebSi rTuli da CaxlarTuli

Canafiqris maZieblebi yvela qveyanaSi mravlad ari-

an. Tanac rac ufro Raribi da religiuria sazogadoeba, miT

metad aris is daavadebuli am seniT.

Tumca SeTqmulebis Teoria

arsad xarobs ise, rogorc postsabWoTa

qveynebSi. Znelia zustad

da gadaWriT daskvnis gakeTeba, _

ratom, maincdamainc, yofil ssrk-

Si? albaT, imitom, rom sabWoTa

moqalaqeebs oficialuri propaganda

aswavlida, rom rigiTi adamianis

azri arafers niSnavs da

simpaTia-antipaTiebi, SesaZloa,

saqme srul bodvamdec mivides.

albaT yvelas gvaxsovs 2012

wels lafanyuris movlenebi da

maSindeli opozicioneri „qocebis”

saqcieli.

ra aRar moifiqres maT am

tragikuli movlenis asaxsnelad,

Tanac ise, rom yvela versia, sab-

provokaciebs amzadebdnen, Canafiqri

CaeSalaT, da yvela moiSores”;

„saakaSvili da putini erTad

cdiloben sababis moZebnas rusuli

jaris saqarTveloSi Semosayvanad”,

_ es mxolod mcire nawilia

im avadmyofuri fantaziebisa,

romlebic im dReebSi gaJRerda

socialuri qselebSi.

saqarTvelos mosaxleobis did

nawils dRemde rom sjera TiTqos

„miSam zura Jvania saferfliT

Caqola”, _ esec xom igive movlenis

nawilia. „qarTulma ocnebam”

ra aRar scada imisTvis, rom pre-

lena msoflio masStabisaa da amitom

mis gaCenas biZinas verafriT

daabraleb, Tumca xSirad gaigonebT,

rom „ivaniSvili koronakriziss

xalxis dasamoneblad iyenebs”;

„sazRvrebs ar xsnis imitom,

rom qveynis sabolood daqceva

da putinisTvis misi Cabareba

unda” da a. S.

aravin ifiqros, rom es mxolod

politikuri Sexedulebebis

sakiTxia _ adamianebs, vinc amas

ambobs, gulwrfelad swams Tavisi

naTqvamis, raoden absurduladac

ar unda JRerdes is.

taziasa da SemoqmedebiT midgomas

moiTxovs.

raSi unda awyobdes xelisuflebas

arCevnebamde 10 dRiT adre

aseTi saSiSi da araprognozirebadi

aqcia, romelic, yvelaferTan

erTad, maT sisustesa da

uunarobas kidev erTxel aSiSvlebs?

albaT mazoxistebi arian an

arCevnebSi mogeba ar surT.

zugdidis movlenebis „qocuri”

versiebi Zalian CaxlarTuli

da mravalwaxnagovania. „ivaniSvilma

es gaakeTa imisTvis, rom

saqarTvelo da SeTqmulebis Teoria

yvela mniSvnelovani movlena vi-

Rac bneli Zalebis mier bnel

derefnebSi mzaddeba.

msoflio Cempioni SeTqmulebis

TeoriebSi Cveni „erTmorwmune”

ruseTia. iq, garda imisa, rom Tavad

rusebs rTuli gonebrivi

konstruqciebisadmi midrekileba

aqvT, amaze mizanmimarTulad

muSaobs oficialuri masmedia.

rus adamians swams, rom dedamiwaze

yvelaferi imarTeba idumali,

yovlisSemZle Zalebis mier

da isini yvelafris ukan dganan _

es iqneba „titanikis” CaZirva Tu

navTobze fasebis vardna.

ruseTis Semdeg eWvgareSe,

myar meore adgils ikavebs saqar-

Tvelo. Raribi, religiuri, saku-

Tari problemebis sxvaze gadabralebis

moyvaruli, Woraobisa

da usaqmurobisken midrekili eri

_ SeTqmulebis Teoriebis far-

Tod gavrcelebisTvis ukeTess

verc inatreb.

saqarTveloSi, iseve rogorc

„moZme” ruseTSi, martivi da gasagebi

axsnebi ar uyvarT. qarTveli,

iseve rogor rusi, darwmunebulia,

rom nebismieri movlenis

ukan viRacis mzakvruli Canafiqri

dgas.

Tu amas emateba politikuri

olood, xelisuflebas adana-

Saulebda.

ra Tqma unda, am yvelafers

maSindeli xelisuflebis briyvuli

dumilic aRrmavebda, Tumca,

mTlianobaSi, es arafers cvlida

_ adamianebs swamT SeTqmulebis

Teoriebis ara imitom, rom realuri

versiebi ar ician, aramed

imitom, rom maTi tvinebi asea

mowyobili.

„es yvelaferi xelisuflebam

imisTvis gaakeTa, rom arCevnebi

CaeSala”; „nacebi osur soflebSi

mier-ministris ararsebuli mkvlelobis

saqme Seekera _ mTavari

eqsperti da Jvanias dacvis 2

wevri ramdenime Tvis manZilze,

faqtobrivad, mZevlebad hyavdaT

ayvanili, magram araferi gamovida...

rac ar iyo, ver daamtkices.

arc dRevandeli xelisuflebis

mowinaaRmdegeebi gamoirCevian

gansakuTrebuli racionalizmiT

da naTeli gonebiT.

magaliTad, bolo drois yvelaze

aqtualuri movlena _ koronavirusi.

sabednierod, es mov-

`msoflio Cempioni SeTqmulebis TeoriebSi Cveni

èrTmorwmune~ ruseTia. iq, garda imisa, rom

Tavad rusebs rTuli gonebrivi

konstruqciebisadmi midrekileba aqvT, amaze

mizanmimarTulad muSaobs oficialuri masmedia.

rus adamians swams, rom dedamiwaze yvelaferi

imarTeba idumali, yovlisSemZle Zalebis mier

da isini yvelafris ukan dganan - es iqneba

`titanikis~ CaZirva Tu navTobze fasebis vardna.

ruseTis Semdeg eWvgareSe, myar meore adgils

ikavebs saqarTvelo. Raribi, religiuri,

sakuTari problemebis sxvaze gadabralebis

moyvaruli, Woraobisa da usaqmurobisken

midrekili eri - SeTqmulebis Teoriebis

farTod gavrcelebisTvis ukeTess verc inatreb~

Semdeg am CaxlarTuli ideebis

masebSi translireba xdeba da

maT ukve rigiTi, politikurad

araangaJirebuli adamianebic imeoreben.

Tanac aris sakiTxebi, romelic

araa damokidebuli saqarTveloze,

magaliTad, dRes sazogadoebrivi

azris gamokiTxva rom

CaataroT, darwmundebiT: mosaxleobis

did nawils eWvic ar epareba,

rom koronavirusi specialurad

„Semogdebulia” viRacis

mier.

veravin agixsniT, vis raSi dasWirda

aseTi globaluri diversia

da vin moigo amiT rame, Tumca

SeTqmulebis Teoriis upiratesobac

xom esaa _ is mtkicebulebebs

ar moiTxovs. es ara logikis,

aramed rwmenis sakiTxia.

dRevandel dRes rom davubrundeT,

marTlac saintereso

iqneboda gamokiTxvis Catareba da

dadgena _ mosaxleobis ra procents

sjera, rom zugdidis incidenti

an nacebis provokacia an

biZinas mier Catarebuli specoperacia

iyo? albaT _ arc Tu ise

mcires.

„nacebis versia” martivia da

sirTuliT ar gamoirCeva, ai bi-

Zinas kvalis dadgena ki Rrma fan-

„nacebi” daedanaSaulebia, Tumca

Canafiqri Cauvarda”, _ yvelaze

martivi variantia.

aris gacilebiT ufro rTuli

versia, romlis mofiqrebas didi

fantazia da mondomeba sWirdeba.

magaliTad, „kriminalebma bi-

Zinas arCevnebSi daxmarebisTvis

fuli mosTxoves, mas sakuTari

jibidan gadaxda ar unda da am

gziT maT 500 000 misca”.

kidev ufro CaxlarTuli: „bi-

Zinasa da putins saqarTvelos

destabilizacia surT da am incidentiT

Zalovani struqturebis

Sesustebas cdiloben”.

da es maSin, rodesac zugdidis

incidentis realuri mizezi sul

sxvaa da gacilebiT mZime _ xelisuflebis

sruli gakotreba,

uunaroba da saarCevnod kriminalur

samyarosTan garigebis

safasuri.

romelic CaxlarTuli sqema

SeiZleba iyos amaze uaresi?

erTi SexedviT, es yvelaferi

sasaciloa, Tumca SeTqmulebebis

Teoriebisken swrafva saSiSi movlenaa

da is sazogadoebis infantilurobisa

da gonebrivi Camor-

Cenilobis naTeli maCvenebelia.

es ki Cveni yoveldRiurobis

mTavari problemaa.

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

29


`gvaramiam xelisuflebas

21 oqtombers saqarTvelos

nene injgia

bankis zugdidis filialSi Seiar-

zurab 591 71 39 98 aRebuli piri SeiWra, romelmac

mZevlebi aiyvana. is naxevar mil-

ion dolars, aseve vertmfrens an manqaniT mZevlebTan erTad

teritoriis usafrTxod datovebis garantias iTxovda.

Tavdamsxmeli mZevlis SuamavlobiT televiziebs videozariT

daukavSirda. moTxovnebis Sesasruleblad Tavdamsxmelma

policias 2 saaTi misca, Tumca drois amowurvis Semdeg mas

sajarod axali pirobebi ar wamouyenebia. Ramis 11 saaTisTvis

Tavdamsxmelma sam mZevalTan erTad saqarTvelos bankis teritoria

datova da gaurkveveli mimarTulebiT wavida, danar-

Ceni mZevlebi ki samarTaldamcvelebma Senobidan gamoiyvanes.

dilis xuTi saaTisTvis cnobili gaxda, rom Tavdamsxmelma

samive mZevali gaaTavisufla da Tavad gaiqca.

zurab jibuti:

`zugdidSi

bankze

Tavdasxma iyo

mZevlebs Soris iyo samegrelo-zemo

svaneTis policiis de-

partamentis xelmZRvaneli avTandil

galdava. gavrcelebuli in-

formaciiT, SeiaraRebul pirTan

molaparakebebs is awarmoebda.

am droisTvis Tavdamsxmelis

adgilmdebareobis an vinaobis

Sesaxeb informacia ar vrcelde-

ba. Tavdasxmis dros saqarTvelos

bankSi myofi arc erTi piri ar

daSavebula.

Tadarigis oficer zurab

jibutis azriT, es iyo xelisu-

flebis mier dadgmuli speqtakli.

samxedro 2012 wels beri gabriel

salosis quCaze Catarebul speco-

peracias ixsenebs da ambobs, rom

„zugdidSi bankze Tavdasxma iyo

„specoperacia Cataevi 2".

raSi sWirdeboda xelisuflebas

Tavdasxmis inscenireba? ra-

tom ecva Tavdamsxmels samxedro

forma? ra SesaZlo versiiT Sei-

Zleba ganviTardes movlenebi?

„qronika+~ Tadarigis oficer

zurab jibuts esaubra:

_ batono zurab, rogorc Tadarigis

oficeri, rogor Seaf-

asebT 21 oqtombers zugdidSi

ganviTarebul movlenebs?

_ pirvel rigSi, minda gavixseno

„rafaliancis saqme”, Tu ra gamoiyena

„qarTulma ocnebam” xelisuflebaSi

mosasvlelad: viRacam

qvevrSi bavSvi aRmoaCina! Tu bavSvi

qvevrSi Cavarda, qvevrs ratom

hqonda Tavi daxuruli? Tan cxedris

aRmoCenis dros mobilizebuli

iyo televizia. Cemi azriT, ase-

Ti ram moxda: viRacam SemTxveviT

naxa qvevrSi gardacvlili bavSvi,

amoiyvana, Semdeg isev ukan Casva da

qvevrs Tavi daaxura. gadawyvita, es

ubeduri SemTxveva winasaarCevnod

„nacionaluri moZraobisTvis” daebralebina.

amden televizias daesizmra,

rom kaxeTis romeliRac

sofelSi qvevrSi damxrCvali bavSvi

iyo?! kadrebSi Cans, rom mamakaci

qvevrs Tavs demonstraciulad

xdis da bavSvi amohyavs, Semdeg ki

amas „qarTuli ocneba” „nacionalur

moZraobas” abalebs da ubedur

SemTxvevas winasaarCevnod

politikuri qulebis dasawerad

iyenebs. warmoudgeneli ram moxda,

_ maSin 8 Tvis Cvilis gardacvaleba

TavianTi politikuri miznebisTvis

gamoiyenes! rac Seexeba, zugdidSi

momxdar movlenebs, ar minda

vifiqro, rom Cveni sistema ise-

Ti demoralizebulia, erTi gamtacebeli

ver daakava. davijero, rom

erTi adamiani ar iyo iseTi, vinc

am operacias uxelmZRvanelebda?!

rogorc Tadarigis oficeri, sruli

pasuxismgeblobiT SemiZlia

vTqva, rom visTanac mimsaxuria

serJantebTan, romlebsac avRane-

Tis swavleba gaiares, isini ukeTesad

Caatarebdnen am specoperacias.

es oficrebi helmandis provinciaSi,

msoflios erT-erT yvelaze

cxel adgilas akeTebdnen msgavsi

tipis operaciebs. Sinagan saqmeTa

saministrom ki zugdidSi ver

„Caatara”. im dRes zugdidSi „nacionaluri

moZraobis” aqcia iyo

dagegmili. rogorc vici, 15 000-s

mxardamWers elodebodnen, rac,

bunebrivia, mmarTveli gundisa da

maTi amomrCevlis welSi gadatexas

niSnavda. vfiqrob, es Zarcva

dagegmili triuki iyo am aqciis gadasafarad

da aseve „qarTuli ocneba”

daiwerda qulebs, rom TiTqos

usisxlod Caatara specoperacia,

magram isini imdenad uniWoebi

arian, 10 speqtakli rom daudgan

da uTxran, me-11 Sen TviTon Caatareo,

isic SeeSlebaT. es operacia

amis gamovlineba iyo.

_ Tu es xelisuflebam dageg-

ma, maSin ratom ar daakaves Tavd-

amsxmeli? man gaqceva moaxerxa, es

xom niSnavs, rom samarTaldamcveli

uwyebebi CamoSlilia, rac xe-

lisuflebisTvis damazianebelia?

_ daakvirdiT, rogori mesijboqsi

hqonda samTavrobo medias: maT

aqcenti gaakeTes mZevalze, romelic

„nacionaluri moZraobis” wevri

iyo. Tavdamsxmelze saerTod aRar

akeTebdnen aqcents da mTliani

yuradReba gadaitanes imaze, rom

mZevali „nacionalebis” mxardamWeri

aRmoCnda. Tqven brZaneT, ratom

ar daakaveso? vis daakavebdnen

_ Tavisians?! romeli adamiani

Tanxmdeba Tundac milionis sanacvlod

xelisuflebas, rom aseTi

danaSauli sakuTar Tavze aiRos?

mas 10-15 weli xom mouwevs cixeSi

jdoma, es vis unda uRirdes? yvelam

movismineT xelisuflebis

liderSipis gancxadebebi, rom maT-

Tvis mTavaria adamianis sicocxle.

Sinagan saqmeTa ministri ambobs, 10

milionic rom moeTxova, gadavixdidiTo,

_ anu maTi mTavari gzavnili

iyo, rom usisxlod Caatares

operacia. maT undodaT ori kurdRlis

daWera: erTi iyo, rom „nacionaluri

moZraobis” aqcia CaSliliyo,

meore _ yvela mZevali vi-

Tom gaeTavisuflebinaT. mesame da

aseve Zalian sagulisxmo: Tavdamsxmelma

mZevals „mTavari arxis”

direqtorTan daarekina. SesaZloa,

xelisuflebas Canafiqri hqonda,

rom nika gvaramia am informacias

ar gadascemda Sss-s da faqts

swored gvaramias winaaRmdeg gamoiyenebda

xelisufleba _ mas daapatimrebdnen.

Tu maT es Canafiqri

gamouvidodaT, gvaramias dakavebiT

„mTavar arxs” gaaneitralebdnen

da Tan „nacionaluri moZraobac”

xmebs dakargavda. Tu daakvirdebiT,

gvaramiam 112-Si dareka,

Tumca maT araniri reagireba ar

hqondaT, ris Semdegac is Sss-s sazogadoebasTan

urTierTobis departamentis

xelmZRvanel nino giorgobians

daukavSirda. warmoidgineT,

112-s informaciaze reagireba

ar hqonda. darwmunebuli

var, es mkiTxvelSi aucileblad

gaaCens kiTxvebs. rogorc Cans,

„qarTul ocnebaSi” egonaT, rom

gvaramia ar darekvda Sss-Si, magram

igi piriqiT moiqca da xelisuflebas

speqtakli CauSala.

_ Tavdamsxmels samxedro forma

ecva, es xom jarisTvis reputaciis

Semlaxveli iyo? Tu am yve-

lafris ukan xelisufleba dgas,

Tavdamsxmels ratom Caacves,

maincdamainc, samxedro forma?

_ dRevandel xelisuflebas

didi xania, samxedro reputacia ar

adardebs. Tavdamsxmeli rom samxedro

formiT iyo, amiT xazi gausves

mis siZlieres, rom Zalian momzadebuli

iyo, Tumca, amis miuxedavad,

maT viTom operaciis warmatebiT

Catareba SeZles. am nawil-

Si sagulisxmoa mZevlis mier gavrcelebuli

foto, sadac Tavdamsxmels

gorgolaWebian skamze fexi

aqvs Semodebuli da mZevlebi ki mis

zurgs ukan sxedan. mxolod es

`specoperacia

Cataevi 2~

foto adasturebs imas, rom Tavdamsxmeli

gansakuTrebulad momzadebuli

ar iyo. realuri Tavdamsxmeli

zurgs ar Seaqcevda mZevlebs

da gorgolaWebian skamze

fexs ar Semodebda. Tan mniSvnelovania

is, rom mZevalma moaxerxa fotos

gadaReba. aseve es foto Tavdamsxmelis

absolutur simSvides

usvams xazs. aRsaniSnavia isic, rom

bankis Senoba, romelSic Tavdamsxmeli

SeiWra, samsarTuliani iyo,

Sesabamisad, mxolod erTi adamiani

am Senobis gakontrolebas ver

moaxerxebda. Tan man arc icoda Senobis

gegma, radgan mesame sarTulidan

mZevlebi gaepara, kibiT

moaxerxes maT gareT gamosvla. e.

i. Tavdamsxmeli ise Sevida Senoba-

Si, rom gegmac ki ar icoda, ramdeni

Sesasvleli aqvs Senobas, ramdeni

kari, saidan SeiZleba Sevides

specrazmi da elodos safrTxe, _

rogorc Canda, es mas saerTod ar

adardebda. xelisufleba imasac

gveubneboda, rom Tavdamsxmeli

marto moqmedebda. rac ar unda

kargi momzadebuli yofiliyo, igi

7 saaTis ganmavlobaSi ver SeZlebda

saxelmwifosTan molaparakebas.

_ ramdenad SesaZlebelia, 7

saaTis ganmavlobaSi gaxsnili xe-

lyumbara sWeroda xelSi?

_ xelyumbaras aqvs „kalco”,

`vimeoreb: unda gamoeyenebinaT `dronebi~. maqvs

informacia, rom Cven vflobT `dronebs~,

romlebsac 6 saaTis manZilze SeuZliaT haerSi

gadaadgileba. am yvelafris paralelurad,

unda SeeswavlaT savaraudo marSrutebi, Tu sad

SeiZleboda gadaadgilebuliyo Tavdamsxmeli~

romelic Zvreba da SesaZlebelia,

igi kvlav gaukeTo, ris Semdegac

usafrTxo mdgomareobaSi gadadis.

„Tavdamsxmels” es xelyumbarac

rom ar sWeroda xelSi, Zalian uni-

Wo speqtakli gamovidoda, radgan

adamianebs logikuri kiTxva gauCndebodaT,

_ snaiperma ratom ver

esrolao? xelyumbara gaxsnil

mdgomareobaSi imitom eWira, rom

snaiperi aseT SemTxvevaSi ver esroda,

radgan mTeli Senoba afeTqdeboda.

rogorc vici, mas F1 hqonda,

sakmaod Zlieri xelyumbara.

mniSvnelovania isic, rom es adamiani

iTxovda naRd fuls. 7 saaTis

ganmavlobaSi policias SeeZlo

fulis danomrva, riTac martivad

miagnebdnen damnaSaves. maT yalbi

fulis mitanac SeeZloT, amis

Semowmeba mxolod specialuri

aparatiT iyo SesaZlebeli, amis

gadamowmebas aseve dro sWirdeboda.

romc hqonoda aparati Tavdamsxmels,

mas fulis Semowmebis

SemTxvevaSi xelyumbarisTvis xeli

unda gaeSva, rac, ra Tqma unda,

afeTqebas gamoiwvevda. e. i. Tavdamsxmelma

ise waiRo fuli, rom arc

ki Seumowmebia. yvelaze mniSvnelovania

is, rom Tavdamsxmelma manqana

moiTxova. municipaluri avtobusic

ki daCipulia, gaCerebebze

aweria, ramden wuTSi mova avtobusi.

swored GPS-is sistemiT xdeba

amaze informaciis miwodeba. aseve

daCipulia policiis yvela manqana.

es Cipi karze ki ar aris mikruli,

TviTon sistemaSia da Tu profesionali

ar xar, imas verc gamorTav.

manqanis signali, romliTac

Tavdamsxmeli da mZevlebi wavidnen,

Sinagan saqmeTa saministros

eqneboda. am signaliT ara mxolod

manqanis gadaadgilebis naxva Sei-

Zleba, aramed imisic, Tu ra siCqariT

moZraobs manqana, sad gaCerda

da a. S. Sss gveubneba, rom Tavdasxmelma

mZevlebi datova da

gauCinarda. maT xom hqondaT manqanis

signali? swored amis Semdeg

unda daewyoT operacia.

_ Tqveni TqmiT, Sss-s nebismier

SemTxvevaSi eqneboda informacia,

ra mimarTulebiT gadaadg-

ildeboda manqana?

_ ra Tqma unda, prevenciis

mizniT policiis yvela manqana

daCipulia, rom gatacebis SemTxvevaSi

advilad miagnon mas. aseve

30

30 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

Sss-s SeeZlo CanTaSi, sadac fuli

ido, patara nanoCipi Caeyenebina da

iqidanac eqneboda signali. maT

SeeZloT safren aparat „dronebis”

gamoyeneba, gaeyolebinaT manqanisTvis,

im simaRlis daSorebiT

xma rom ar gaego mZarcvels. wesiT,

manqanis gadaadgilebis droze

100 metris simaRleze moZravi

„dronis” xmas ver gaigebda. Ramis

xedviT aRWurvili „droni” Tavdacvis

saministrosac aqvs da See-

ZloT, senakis brigadidan wamoeRoT,

amisTvis Sss-s sruliad sakmarisi

dro, 7 saaTi hqonda.

_ Tu davuSvebT, rom Tavdamsxmeli

profesionali iyo da Ti-

Toeuli detali gaTvlili hqon-

da, maSin SesaZloa, moiTxova

kidec manqana Cipis gareSe. teqni-

kurad rogor SeeZlo mas amis

Semowmeba?

_ Tavdamsxmels amis Semowmeba

ar SeeZlo. kadrebSic Cans, rom is

manqanas ar amowmebs, pirdapir

jdeba. romc daewyo manqanis Semowmeba,

Cips ver ipovida, imitom rom

igi Zalian mcire zomisaa da Seu-

Zlebeli iyo misi povna, maSin specialuri

xelsawyo unda hqonoda.

pikapSi Cipis povnas, daaxloebiT,

2-3 saaTi dasWirdeba. Sinagan saqme-

Ta saministros realurad SeeZlo

hqonoda sami signali. es iyo: fulis

qeisSi mimagrebuli nanoCipi,

manqanis signali da Ramis xedviT

aRWurvili „dronebi”. aqedan miRebuli

monacemebiT ki moaxerxebda

operaciis gagrZelebas, metic:

SesaZlebeli iyo, operacia warmatebiTac

dasrulebuliyo da

Tavdamsxmeli daeWiraT, magram es

xom xelisuflebis mier dadgmuli

speqtakli iyo da, Sesabamisad, gvi-

Txres, rom Tavdamsxmeli ukvalod

gaqra.

_ droebiT daviviwyoT Tqveni

versia, rom es Tavdasxma xelisu-

flebis speqtakli iyo. davuSvaT,

rom es piri realuri Tavdamsxme-

lia, aravis dakveTiT ar moqmed-

ebs. SesaZlebelia, rom Tqven razedac

isaubreT, es yvelaferi sagamoZiebo

uwyebebs araprofe-

sionalizmis gamo gamorCenodaT

(vgulisxmob sam signals, riTac

SeeZloT Tavdamsxmelis gadaadg-

ilebis marSrutis dadgena)?

_ ver warmomidgenia, rom Sss-Si

ar arsebobda iseTi profesionali

adamiani, romelic SeZlebda sworad

emoqmeda. ai, rogor unda emoqmeda

Sss-s: pirvel rigSi, mosaxleoba

unda gaeyvana perimetridan,

Semdeg unda moewyo ordoniani

derefani, pirvel doneze iqneboda

specrazmi TavdamsxmelTan er-

Ti erTze, meore doneze _ policiis

kordoni, imisTvis, rom pirvel

kordonze vinme ar Sesuliyo da

specrazmisTvis xeli ar SeeSala.

aseve unda gaekeTebinaT mediisTvis

prescentri (ucxoeTSi specialuri

karavi iSleba aseT dros

Jurnalistebs kadrebs, romelic

televiziebiT unda gavides, Tvi-

Ton samarTaldamcveli uwyebebi

aZleven). Sss unda gasuliyo

TavdamsxmelTan kontaqtze, unda

Camoyalibebuliyo momlaparakebelTa

jgufi. aseTi qvedanayofi

arsebobs Sss-Si, romelsac teroristebTan

da gamtaceblebTan molaparakebis

specialuri kursebi

aqvs gavlili. molaprakebis procesSi

unda SeedginaT Tavdamsxmelis

fsiqoportreti, aseve unda

CaeweraT misi xma, daemuSavebinaT

bazebSi da aseT SemTxvevaSi Se-

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.


erxes?! speqtakli CauSala~ `prevenciis mizniT policiis yvela manqana daCipulia, rom gatacebis

SemTxvevaSi advilad miagnon mas. aseve Sss-s SeeZlo CanTaSi, sadac fuli ido,

patara nanoCipi Caeyenebina da iqidanac eqneboda signali. maT SeeZloT

safren aparat `dronebis~ gamoyeneba, gaeyolebinaT manqanisTvis, im simaRlis

daSorebiT xma rom ar gaego mZarcvels. wesiT, manqanis gadaadgilebis droze

100 metris simaRleze moZravi `dronis~ xmas ver gaigebda. Ramis xedviT

aRWurvili `droni~ Tavdacvis saministrosac aqvs da SeeZloT, senakis

brigadidan wamoeRoT, amisTvis Sss-s sruliad sakmarisi dro, 7 saaTi hqonda~

Zlebdnen am adamianis amocnobas.

paralelurad, specrazmis damatebiTi

qvedanayofebi unda yofiliyo

mobilizebuli. ra Tqma unda,

fuli unda mietanaT TavdamsxmelisTvis,

amaze ori azri arsebobs,

radgan yvelaze mniSvnelovani adamianis

usafrTxoeba da janmrTelobaa.

fuli aucileblad daCipuli

qeisiT unda mietanaT, riTac

manqanis gadaadgilebas gaakontrolebdnen.

vimeoreb: unda gamoeyenebinaT

„dronebi”. maqvs informacia,

rom Cven vflobT „dronebs”,

romlebsac 6 saaTis manZilze Seu-

ZliaT haerSi gadaadgileba. am yvelafris

paralelurad, unda SeeswavlaT

savaraudo marSrutebi, Tu

sad SeiZleboda gadaadgilebuliyo

Tavdamsxmeli. Tavidanve cxadi

iyo, rom is qalaqSi, magali-

Tad, baTumsa da quTaisSi ar wavidoda.

Tavdamsxmeli afxazeTis an

mTis mimarTulebiT wavidoda. mimdebare

teritoriaze unda CaesvaT

mobiluri jgufebi, yovel erT kilometrSi.

amisTvis 7 saaTi dro

hqondaT. amasTanave unda moemzadebinaT

vertmfreni specialuri

ganaTebiT, rom saWiroebis SemTxvevaSi

gamoeyenebinaT. manqanaSi,

romliTac Tavdamsxmeli da mZevlebi

gadaadgilebodnen, aucileblad

unda daemalaT telefoni.

manqanis gaCerebis SemTxvevaSi, GPS

amas daadasturebda, paralelurad,

„dronis” saSualebiT naxavdnen,

rom manqanidan gadmovidnen

adamianebi. Semdeg Sss-s warmomadgeneli

darekavda mobilurze da am

SemTxvevaSi galdava Tavdamsxmelis

wasvlis Semdeg daudasturebda

mZevlebis usafrTxoebas. sami donis

dadastureba iqneboda: manqanidan

signalis miReba, „dronis”

kadrebi, rom erTi pirovneba sxva

mimarTulebiT wavida, Semdeg mobilurze

darekavdnen da samxareos

ufrosi dudasturebda, rom

usafrTxod iyvnen. amis Semdeg daiwyeboda

operacia, romelSic CaerTveboda

vertmfreni. aseve Sss-s

`yvela banks aqvs gare gadaRebis perimetris

kamera, Cven ukve unda vicodeT misi

gamosaxuleba. Tundac niRbiT SeWriliyo es

adamiani, mainc unda amoecnoT. rogorc

Tavdasxmis dRes `mTavari arxisa~ da `tv

pirvelis~ pirdapir eTerSi vnaxeT,

Tavdamsxmelma CarTvis dros lamis

mobilurSi Semoyo Tavi. marTalia, saxe

dafaruli hqonda, magram Tvalebi uCanda~

SeeZlo, am manqanis ukan 700-800 metris

moSorebiT gaeyolebina specrazmelTa

jgufi, romelic kav-

Sirze iqneboda Sss-sTan, Tu

Tavdamsxmeli manqanas gaaCerebda

daeWvebis gamo da ukan mobrundeboda,

amis Sesaxeb maT Sss Seatyobinebda.

es snaiperTa jgufi,

vetrmfreni, „droni”, mobiluri

jgufebi daiwyebdnen operacias.

rac ar unda Zlieri da kargad momzadebuli

yofiliyo Tavdamsxmeli,

erTi adamiani Sss-s danayofs

ver gaeqceoda. davuSvaT, kidev

erTi varianti: fulis qeisSi Camagrebuli

Cipi gviCvenebs Tavdamsxmelis

mimarTulebas. davuSvaT

mas sxva qeisi hqonda da iq gadayara

es fuli, sanam fuls sxva

qeisSi gadaitanda, manam signali

iqneboda. Sss-s ori-sami Ramis

vertmfreniT, romelsac ganaTeba

aqvs, gamoricxulia, adamiani fexiT

gaqceoda. es aris is sqema, ri-

Tac SeeZlo emoqmeda Sss-s.

_ rogor ganviTardeba movle-

nebi, Tu, rogorc Tqven eWvobT,

xelisuflebaa am yvelafris scenaristi?

Tavdamsxmels ar daiW-

ers bolo seriaSi?

_ axla bevri ram damokidebulia

saqarTvelos bankis warmomadgenlebze.

me, rogorc vici,

Tavdamsxmelma niRabi bankSi Sesvlis

Semdeg gaikeTa. yvela banks

aqvs gare gadaRebis perimetris

kamera, Cven ukve unda vicodeT

misi gamosaxuleba. Tundac niRbiT

SeWriliyo es adamiani, mainc unda

amoecnoT. rogorc Tavdasxmis

dRes „mTavari arxisa” da „tv

pirvelis” pirdapir eTerSi vnaxeT,

Tavdamsxmelma CarTvis dros lamis

mobilurSi Semoyo Tavi. marTalia,

saxe dafaruli hqonda, magram

Tvalebi uCanda.

_ SesaZlebeli iyo misi

TvalebiT identificireba?

_ yvelam viciT, rogor xdeba

iusticiis saxlSi piradobis mowmobisTvis

suraTis gadaReba. am

dros misi Tvalebis feri da maidintificirebeli

niSnebi bazaSia,

Sesabamisad, Tavdamsxmeli 2-3 saaTSi

identificirebuli unda yofiliyo.

aseTi uniWoebi, rogor

arian, rom amis dadgena ver moax-

Tu Tavdamsxmelma amdeni

ram gaTvala, is ar icoda, rom

Tvalebis ase axlodan gamoCena

safrTxes Seuqmnida da SesaZlebeli

iqneboda misi vinaobis dadgena?

magram, rogorc Cans, mas es ar

adardebda, radgan xelisuflebisgan

garantiebi hqonda miRebuli.

rac Seexeba saboloo serias, Sesa-

Zloa, es adamiani arCevnebamde ori

dRiT adre daiWiron da fulic

moataninon. aseT SemTxvevaSi xelisufleba

ityvis, rom mZevlebic

gavaTavisufleT da damnaSavec davakaveToT.

Semdeg gamova Ss ministri

Tavisi ironiuli RimiliT da

ityvis, rom saqarTvelos banks

daubrunes Tanxa. es yvelaferi

gakeTda winasaarCevnod. es Tavdamsxmeli

realuri rom yofiliyo, Ss

ministri da mTeli uwyeba yvelafers

gaakeTebda am operaciis warmatebiT

dasasruleblad da damna-

Savis dasaWerad. faqtia, rom zogadad

Ss da Tavdacvis saministro

CamoSlilia. gavixsenoT gabriel

salosis quCaze Catarebuli specoperacia:

maSin xelisuflebam gviTxra,

rom calfexa da calxela Cataevi

qveyanaSi Semovida aWaris

sasazRvro gamSvebi punqtidan da

gadmolaxa mdinare. rogor warmogidgeniaT,

rom calfexa da calxela

kaci mdinareSi curavs Tavisi

teroristuli jgufiT? 3 terorists

72 saaTis ganmavlobaSi ebr-

Zodnen, roca SeeZloT Tavidanve

gamoeyenebinaT amerikelebis gawvrTnili

qvedanayofi. maSinac warmoudgeneli

speqtakli dadges da

medias adanaSaulebdnen, ratom uSvebT

eTerSi kadrebso. Cemi azriT,

zugdidSi bankze Tavdasxma iyo

„specoperacia Cataevi 2". maSinac

xelisuflebam Semoiyvana Cataevi

Suagul qalaqSi, konspiraciuli

bina mouwyo, mere uTanxmoebis

gamo gadawyvita misi likvdacia.

maT ar awyobdaT, maSin im operaciidan

romelime teroristi gadar-

Ceniliyo. axla ki zugdidSi dagegmes,

raRacebi ar gamouvidaT da

bolos Tavdamsxmeli, rogorc kinoSi

xdeba, Ramis wyvdiadSi gauCinarda.

rogorc cnobili gaxda,

„saqarTvelos banki” apirebs usafrTxoebis

sistemis gaZlierebas.

minda, movuwado, yvela banksa da

nebismier organizacias, rom saqar-

TveloSi gvyavs Zalian magari bi-

Webi, romlebTaganac zogierTi emigraciaSia,

zogic axla apirebs

wasvlas, maTgan umravlesobas avRaneTis

4-5 misia aqvs moxdili. dauZaxeT

aseT xalxs. ar SeiZleba,

aseTi gamocdilebis mqone adamianebi

emigraciaSi midiodnen. rodesac

adamianis sicocxles exeba

saqme, aseT samsaxurSi ar SeiZleba

adamiani nacnobobiT miiRo, kadrs

aucileblad unda hqondes sabrZolo

gamocdileba da Cven gvyavs

aseTi biWebi. minda, mivmarTo im

organizaciebs, visac usafrTxoebis

gaZliereba surs: daukavSirdnenen

Tavdacvis uwyebas, rom miawodon

im adamianebis sia, vinc amjerad

ar msaxurobs da surs dasaqmeba.

ar SeiZleba, samxedro pirebs

emigraciaSi muSaoba uwevdeT.

metsac getyviT: amerikaSi is adamianebi,

romlebic Tavdacvis Zaleb-

Si arian namyofi, maT rom raime

stresi ar daemarToT da Semdeg

teroristad ar Camoyalibdnen,

specialur samxedro bazebSi dReebia

gamoyofili, sadac isini midian

da iaraRs isvrian, rom Tavian-

Ti Jini swori mimarTulebiT daxarjon.

Cven unda viswavloT Cveni

samxedro pirebis dafaseba, isini

ar unda gadiodnen qveynidan, miT

umetes, roca saqarTveloSi mZime

kriminogenuri viTarebaa da organizaciebs,

bankebs usafrTxoebis

gaZliereba sWirdebaT.

31

xviCa mamulaZe

vin aris „saxe+”? ra gegmebi

aqvs mas? risTvis movidnen? ras

hpirdebian isini baTumelebs? _

am da sxva mniSvnelovani sakiTxebis

Sesaxeb „qronika+~ partiis

dafuZnebel ednar bagra-

tions esaubreba:

_ batono ednar, ratom gada-

wyviteT politikaSi mosvla?

_ mogesalmebiT! me var ednar

bagrationi _ politikuri gaer-

Tianeba „saqarTvelos xalxTa

erToba gaerTianebuli demokratiuli

saxelmwifosTvis _ saxe+”

partiisa da politsabWos Tavmjdomare.

dRemde veweodi biznessaqmianobas.

detalurad mogaxsenebT, Tu

ratom gadavwyvite politikaSi

mosvla, manamde ki Cemi ekonomikuri

saqmianobis Sesaxeb:

2000 wlidan warmovadgen aWaris

regionSi yvelaze did kompaniebs.

pirveli kontraqti gavaforme

kompania „magTikomTan” da

viyavi dileri aWaris regionSi;

2002 wels „jeoselma” ufro

momxibvleli pirobebi SemomTavaza

_ es iyo sadistribucio kompaniis

xelmZRvanelis pozicia;

2005 wels „Turqselis” Semo-

TavazebiT gadaverTe ukve ukrainaSi,

radgan „Turqselma” ukrainaSi

SeiZina kompania, romelic

mTeli ukrainis teritoriaze

operirebs. es aris pirdapir Cveni

gamocdilebis gaziareba. mimagrebuli

viyavi kompania „voqstroTSi”,

romelic gaxlavT saojaxo

da teqnikis maRaziaTa gibermarketis

qseli mTeli ukrainis

teritoriaze (700-mde gibermarketis

qseli). Cveni movaleoba

iyo, zustad am qselSi abonentTa

momsaxurebis ofisebis

ganlageba. erTi wlis ganmavlobaSi

movaxerxeT da sruliad ukrainis

teritoriaze gavSaleT

abonentTa momsaxurebis ofisebi.

erTwliani kontraqtis amowurvis

Semdeg Cemsa da „Turqsels”

Soris Semdeg kompania

„voqstroTma” moiTxova Cemi

darCena da Sida xelSekruleba

ori wliT gavagrZeleT igive

pirobebiT: es iyo ufro gafarToeba,

kompaniis ufro gaZliereba

da meti Sedegis dadeba;

rodesac samSobloSi Camovedi,

teqnikis maRaziaTa qselis

analogiuri biznesis gakeTebas

vapirebdi saqarTveloSic. ba-

TumSi, foTsa da quTaisSi ukve

SevqmeniT, magram, 2008 wlis omi

daemTxva, gegmebi agveria da es

saqmianoba SevaCere. mosalodneli

movlenebidan gamomdinare

gavwyvite ukrainasTan urTier-

Toba da adgilobriv mewarmoebaze

gadmoverTe da xelSekruleba

gavaforme kompania „koka-kolasTan”.

2018 wlamde viyavi kompania

„koka-kolis” warmomadgeneli

aWaraSi. 2018 wlidan dRemde

vatareb biznestreningebs

axalgazrda biznesmenebsa da

momaval mewarmeebTan.

ratom gadavwyvite politika-

Si mosvla? dRes, mogexsenebaT,

es moTxovna, rac gaCnda xelisuflebis

mimarT, amaSi opoziciam

da Cvenma mezobelma, megobarma

qveynebma Zalian didi roli iTamaSes

da miiRes gadawyvetileba,

rom rac SeiZleba meti politikuri

Zala CaerTos politika-

Si. Cveni politikuri gaerTiane-


ednar bagrationi:

`15 wuTSi davarwmune,

rom isini Cemi

partiis wevrebi

gamxdariyvnen~

ba, „saqarTvelos xalxTa erToba”,

zustad 21 ivliss daregistrirda.

21 ivlisidan dRemde

Zalian rTuli gza gaviareT. yovelTvis

vfiqrobdiT erT rames,

rom dRes saqarTveloSi aris

erTobis problema, amitom gadavwyviteT

dagvefuZnebiana partia

„saxe+” _ „saqarTvelos xalxTa

erToba gaerTianebuli demokratiuli

saxelmwifosTvis”. 1339

partiis wevri Seikriba Cven irgvliv

mTeli saqarTvelos mas-

StabiT. 21 ivniss yriloba CavatareT

baTumSi Ria cis qveS pandemiidan

gamomdinare. Sesabamisi

dokumentacia SevitaneT iusticis

saxlSi da 21 ivliss ukve

registracia gaviareT.

_ parlamentis arCevnebSi

Tqveni partia ratom ver monaw-

ileobs?

_ miuxedavad am dabrkolebebisa,

14 ivlisamde iyo bolo vada

registraciisTvis da Cven mowmoba

aviReT 21 ivliss.

_ ra niSniT arCieT partiis

wevrebi?

_ rogorc mogaxseneT, 1339

wevria sul sruliad saqarTvelodan

partiaSi gawevrianebuli.

maTi darwmuneba minimalur dro-

Si momiwia da Tan pandemiis dros

_ 15 wuTSi davarwmune isini, rom

Cemi partiis wevrebi gamxdariyvnen

_ nacnobic da ucnobic.

_ batono ednar, ras fiqrobT

dRevandel politikaze?

_ ar momwons es damokidebuleba,

roca yvela ambobs, politika

binZuriao. 1339 politikuri

partis wevri myavs da Tqven ra

ggoniaT, 1339-Tanve mqonda 15

wuTiani saubari da Tanxmoba? 5

aTas axalgazrdas gavesaubre.

ratom ar wevriandebodnen, iciT,

CemTan? ambobdnen, minda, Rirseulad

vicxovro, ar minda politikaSi

mosvla da ar minda, rom

vinmes valanZRino Tavi, ar minda,

rom Cemi Rirseba da statusi

arasworad gamoviyenoo. da roca

asakianebTan mivdiodi _ profesorebTan,

akademikosebTan _ isini

meubnebodnen, rom Rirseulad

ganvvleT cxovreba, 2 paraskevi-

Ra dagvrCa da ar gvinda, vinmes

cudi vaTqmevinoT Cvenzeo. politikas

saxeli aqvs gafuWebuli

`mzad var, radgan qveyana mtkiva! mzad var,

radgan aWaraSi, roca aRdgomaa da muslimi

naTesavis saflavze kvercxs gadaagoreben

qristiani bavSvebi, aucileblad minda, rom

gadaviRo! magram am wels pandemiis fonze

ver SevZeli. aseve muslimi rom bairams

aRniSnavs, halva da baqlava miaqvs

qristiani naTesavis saflavze! aseTi rame

sxvagan ar xdeba! warmoidgine, es ramxela

magaliTis mimcemia!~

da yvela erideba mas.

danis wverze fexSiSveli davdiodi

da yvelafers viTvaliswinebdi,

rom konkretul pirovnebas

ar stkenoda da me vazaralebdi

Cems ojaxsa da sakuTar Tavs.

dRemde movedi, amis Semdeg gagr-

Zelebac gamiWirdeba imitom, rom

vici, lafs mesvrian, roca Zalas

naxaven. magram mzad var, radgan

qveyana mtkiva! mzad var, radgan

aWaraSi, roca aRdgomaa da muslimi

naTesavis saflavze kvercxs

gadaagoreben qristiani bavSvebi,

aucileblad minda, rom gadavi-

Ro! magram am wels pandemiis

fonze ver SevZeli. aseve muslimi

rom bairams aRniSnavs, halva

da baqlava miaqvs qristiani naTesavis

saflavze! aseTi rame sxvagan

ar xdeba! warmoidgine, es

ramxela magaliTis mimcemia! Cven

300 weliwadSi bevri ram gadavitaneT.

ramdeni weli germania

gayofili iyo da gaerTianda.

Cvenc ase gaverTiandiT da aWaras

im gavlili periodis Semdeg

saukeTeso urTierToba Camouyalibda

TurqeTTan samsaxurebrivad,

biznesiT, SopingiT da a.

S. amdenad, ratom ar SeuZlia

afxazs, CvenTan rom Semovides

gamarTulad, awarmoos Tavisi

saqme. bevri Sansia, magram 28 weli

gavida da 28 nabiji ar gadadgumla.

guli mtkiva. sazogadoebas

unda mivceT motivacia

da SevuqmnaT ganwyoba. ganwyobis

gareSe ekonomika ver dadgeba

fexze, ganwyobas unda hqondes

Taviseburi xasiaTi, krizisidan

gamosvlis gzebis recepti. politika

momwons. roca amboben, adamianSi

80%-ze meti wyaliao, ise

unda iyos politikosSi xelovnebis

aRqma. ai, zustad es

maZlevs Zalas. Cemi ojaxi xelovanTa

wridanaa. mxatvari imas ki

ar xatavs, rasac xedavs, aramed

imas, risi danaxvac surs. me,

rogorc xelovans, minda, bednieri

saqarTvelo davxato Cemi

ZalebiT, Tundac ar viyo xelisuflebaSi,

Tundac viyo erTi

opoziciuri partia, romelic

Rirseul nabijebs gadadgams saukeTeso

xalxTan erTad, mesijebs

gaugzavnis xelisuflebas,

rom erTad SevqmnaT is saqarTvelo,

romliTac datkbeba Cveni da

momavali Taoba. es xom SesaZlebelia?

ra gvWirs, ratom varT

daxarbebuli am skamebze, ra gvemarTeba?

ratom gvmarTavs viRaca?!

xom SeiZleba, Tavisuflebi

viyoT, _ sakuTari Tavis ufali.

_ rogor fiqrobT, xelisufleba

pandemias mis sasarge-

blod iyenebs?

_ pasuxze Tavs Sevikaveb. magram

xelisufleba rom bevri raRacis

gamoyenebas daapirebs, es

mosalodnelia. vfiqrob, pandemiis

saTavisod gamoyeneba sarisko

nabijia.

_ SegiZliaT SeafasoT „qar-

Tuli ocnebisa” da „erTiani nacionaluri

moZraobis” xelisu-

flebaSi yofnisas, romelma

ufro meti gaakeTa aWarisTvis?

_ aravis vebrZvi piradad. „nacionalurma”

moZraobam Secdomebi

rom dauSva, vaRiarebT, magram kargi

rom gaakeTa, esec unda vTqvaT.

me kargis keTebas gavagrZeleb, Tu

iqneba Cveni sazogadoebis neba, rom

me viyo umravlesobiT.

32

32 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

raze metyvelebs is faqti, rom

premieri debatebze ar mivida? ra

molodinebi aqvT „strategia aR-

maSenebelSi”? SeZles Tu ara maT

amomrCevlamde mTavari gzavni-

lis mitana?

aRniSnuli Temebis Sesaxeb

„qronika+~ rubrika „axalgarzda

politikosebSi” „strategia aR-

maSeneblis” gundis wevr cotne

abesaZes esaubra:

_ cotne, satelevizio de-

batebSi Tqveni partiis lider

giorgi vaSaZesTan, giorgi gaxar-

ias nacvlad, mamuka mdinaraZe

mivida, gaxariam ki ganacxada, rom

ar scalia. raze miuTiTebs es

faqti?

_ mogexsenebaT, sazogaoebrivi

mauwyeblis proeqti iTvaliswinebda

saqarTvelos premier-ministrobis

kandidatebis pirdapir

eTerSi debatebs, razedac arc

„qarTuli ocneba” iyo uarze manam,

sanam kenWisyraSi giorgi gaxarias

oponentad giorgi vaSaZe ar

amovida. swored amis Semdeg gaxda

saqarTvelos araformaluri

mmarTvelis xeldasxmuli premier-ministri

im doneze moucleli,

rogorc arc erTi premierministri

da arc erTi prezidenti

mTel msoflioSi, vinaidan,

mogexsenebaT, debatebis formati

aris msoflio politikur wreeb-

Si gavrcelebuli politikuri

oponirebis forma da masze uaris

Tqma xazs usvams pirovnebis politikur

simdables. garda amisa,

„qarTul ocnebas”, mis premierministrs,

parlamentis Tavjdomares,

maT prezidentsa Tu sxva,

nebismier Tanamdebobis pirs ar

aqvs da ver eqneba kiTxvebze pasuxebi,

romelsac maT vusvamT

qrTveli xalxi. erTaderTi mopasuxe,

vinc SeiZleboda yofiliyo

da vinc unda gasces pasuxi saqar-

Tvelos gaRaribebul, gadagdebul,

gabrazeul da qveynidan wasul

moqalaqes, SeiZleba iyos bi-

Zina ivaniSvili. sxva danarCeni

misi xeliT dasmuli marionetebi

arian. radga-, ar aqvT kiTxvebze

pasuxebi da kiTxvebi aris Zalian

mZime da Zalian bevri, qarTveli

xalxi upasuxebs maT maSin, rodesac

xalxi yvelaze Zlieria, anu

arCevnebze, 31 oqtombers!

_ vaSaZem aqcenti gaakeTa Zvi-

radRirebul saaTebze, romlebic

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebis

kuTvnilebaSia, ris sapasuxodac

mdinaraZem kobaxiZisgan saCuqrad

saaTi gadasca vaSaZes da aRniSna,

rom es saaTebi originalis rep-

likebia. mdinaraZem isic aRniSna,

rom siyalbeSi amxila vaSaZe. ra-

tom aris aseTi mniSvneloani sa-

aTebis Tema da rogor fiqrobT,

ramdenad daijera sazogadoebam

mdinaraZis argumenti?

_ vaSaZe, mTeli misi saarCevno

kampaniis farglebSi, aqcents ake-

Tebs mmarTveli gundis warmomadgenlebis

Zalian bevr korufciul

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.


`31 oqtombers damajerebel gamarjvebas velodebiT!~

15 oqtombers sazogadoebriv

nene injgia

mauwyebelze moqmed premiersa da

591 71 39 98

„qarTuli ocnebis” saparlamento

siis pirvel nomer giorgi gaxariasa

da „strategia aRmaSeneblis” premierobis kandidat giorgi

vaSaZes Soris debatebi unda gamarTuliyo. premierma armisvlis

mizezad moucleloba daasaxela da mis nacvlad saparlamento

umravlesobis lideri mamuka mdinaraZe mivida. de-

batebze vaSaZem mmarTveli gundis ZviradRirebul saaTebsa

da uZrav qonebaze gaakeTa aqcenti.

garigebaze, gausaZliss gaWirvebaze,

romelSic Cavarda saqarTvelos

yvelaze daucveli mosaxleoba;

qveyanaSi usmarTlo sabanko

politikaze, romelmac saxl-karis

gareSe datova saqarTvelos bevri

moqalaqe; CamoSlil ekonomikaze,

gaufasurebul larze, umZimes

Cavardnebze koronavirusis

winaaRmdeg brZolis farglebSi;

usamarTlo sasamarTlosa da

aseve mmarTveli gundis warmoudgenel

simdidreebze, romlebsac

isini floben saaTebis, manqanebis,

uZravi qonebisa Tu sxva saxiT.

xolo Cven vnaxeT, rom gaxarias

gamogzavnilma, damarcxebisTvis

ganwirulma politikurma paikma _

mdinaraZem, zemoT CamoTvlil aqcentirebul

TemebTagan gamoar-

Cia maTgan yvelaze msubuqi, saaTebis

saqme da samarcxvinod cdilobda

TemiT manipulirebas,

romelzedac maT pasuxi gaecemaT

31 oqtombers.

_ opoziciur speqtrSi bevrs

saubroben imaze, rom xelisu-

flebam kovid-19 Segnebulad

miuSva, rom maTi mizania, rac

SeiZleba naklebi adamiani mivides

arCevnebze. Tqven Tu iziarebT am

pozicias?

_ vfiqrob, rom arsebul xelisuflebas

aRar gaaCnia kovid-

Tan efeqtiani brZolis arc erTi

iaraRi da undaT maT es Tu ar undaT,

virusi aucileblad gaiqceva.

maT mosamzadeblad ver gamoiyenes

zafxulis is periodi, rodesac

virusi TiTqmis Camqrali iyo

da sruliad moumzadeblad Sexvda

saqarTvelo kovidis meore

talRas. Sedegic saxezea _ dRes

yoveldRiurad 1000- ze meti dadasturebuli

SemTxveva gvaqvs,

rac mosaxleobis raodenobiT Cveni

zomis qveynisTvis Zalian didi

ricxvia. maSin, rodesac Cven gavaCereT

TiTqmis srulad ekonomika

da dartymis qvveS davayeneT qarTuli

ojaxebis ekonomikuri wesrigi,

im motiviT, rom efeqtiani

yofiliyo kovidTan brZola,

Sedegi miviReT radikalurad gansxvavebuli

_ vnaxeT Zalian didi

Cavardna e. w. saamayo krizismenejerebis

SemoqmedebiT. amdenad,

Segnebulad miuSva Tu ara xelisuflebam

virusi, razedac mtkicebiT

formaSi saubari, am etapze,

rodesac amis damadasturebeli

faqtebi ar aris, mizanSeuwonlad

mimaCnia _ mniSvnelovania

Sedegi da mniSvnelovania faqti,

rom dRes saqarTvelo aris Zalian

daucveli koronavirusis winaaRmdeg

brZolaSi.

_ arCevnebamde darCenil or

kviraSi premieri toqsikurobas

aaanonsebs da acxadebs, rom opo-

nentebi yvelaferze wavlen.

rogor fiqrobT, ra tipis gzav-

nilia es mTavrobis meTauris

mxridan?

_ minda giTxraT, rom mTeli

opoziciuri speqtri, romelTanac

Cven Zalian axlo kontaqti gvaqvs,

cotne abesaZe:

`xelisuflebas

aRar gaaCnia

kovidTan

efeqtiani

brZolis iaraRi~

varT Zalian mSvidad, vmuSaobT

konstruqciulad da velodebiT

damajerebel gamarjvebas 31 oqtombers.

am situaciaSi erTader-

Ti, visac qveyanaSi surs Semoitanos

toqsikuri, daZabuli, dapirispirebaze

agebuli winasaarCevno

dRis wesrigi, aris gundi, romelic

marcxdeba _ gundi, romelmac

8 wlis ganmavlobaSi am qveyanaSi

datova uniaTobis, korumpirebulobis,

ruseTumeobis, gadamgdebis

saxeli. Tumca miuxedavad imisa,

razec ar unda wamovides xelisufleba

da ra daZabuli dRis

wesrigic ar unda SemogvTavazos

opoziciur speqtrs, Cveni pasuxi

iqneba Zalian mSvidi, Cveni pasuxi

iqneba maTi damazianebeli politikis

daignoreba, xolo sazogadoebis

pasuxi iqneba arCevnebis

dRes.

_ arCevnebamde ori kvira rCeba.

SeZlo Tu ara „strategia aRa-

Seneblma” sakuTari gzavnilis

amomrCevlamde mitana?

_ „strategia aRmaSeneblis”

gundi manam, sanam is politikur

blokad Camoyalibdeboda, gacilebiT

adre Zalian aqtiurad

muSaobda qveyanaSi mniSvnelovani

problemebis daZlevis meqanizmebis

SemuSavebaze, maT prezentirebasa

da sazogadoebis informirebaze

am Temebis garSemo. xolo mas

Semdeg, rac strategia aRmaSenebeli

Camoyalibda politikur

blokad, Cven Zalian aqtiurad

vmuSaobT mTeli saqarTvelos mas-

StabiT, aTvisebuli gvaqvs saqarTvelos

yvela regioni, regionuli

Stabebi gvaqvs saqarTvelos

TiTqmis yvela qalaqSi da gvyavs

Zalian magari aqtiuri, energiuli

jgufebi mTel saqarTveloSi, romlebic

yoveldRiur reJimSi, gasuli

Tveebis ganmavlobaSi, CarTuli

arian kardakaris warmoebaSi

da ar darCenila TiTqmis arc

erTi qarTuli ojaxi, sadac Cveni

warmomadgenlebi ar misulan, ar

mousmeniaT maTi problemebi da

`swored amis Semdeg gaxda saqarTvelos

araformaluri mmarTvelis xeldasxmuli

premier-ministri im doneze moucleli, rogorc

arc erTi premier-ministri da arc erTi

prezidenti mTel msoflioSi, vinaidan,

mogexsenebaT, debatebis formati aris msoflio

politikur wreebSi gavrcelebuli politikuri

oponirebis forma da masze uaris Tqma xazs

usvams pirovnebis politikur simdables~

ar miuwodebiaT maTTvis qveynis

krizisidan gamoyvanis konkretuli

gegmebi, romelic strategia

aRmaSenebels aqvs SemuSavebuli.

_ rogoria Tqveni prognozi?

pirvel noembers iqneba Tu ara

qveyanaSi axali politikuri re-

aloba?

_ am kiTxvaze Zalian mokled

SemiZlia gipasuxoT, es gardauvalia!

_ ra gaZlevT amis Tqmis

safuZvels?

_ qarTveli xalxi ar Seegueba

ukusvlas, siRatakes, qveynidan

gaqcevas, uperspeqtivobas da aucileblad

gaecema pasuxi Rataki

xalxis mdidar mTavrobas, romelic

sakuTar qveyanaSi dakargulia

da umZimes realobas, romelic

saqarTveloSi dgas, Tvals ar

usworebs.

_ partiis Sida kvlevebic gecodinebaT,

2020 wlis saparla-

mento arCevnebSi ra aris „stra-

tegia aRmaS-nebelis” maqsimumi?

_ „strategia aRmaSenebeli” ar

aris fokusirebuli konkretul

procentebze arCevnebSi, is ar

aris orientirebuli, Tu ramdeni

kaci eyoleba an ar eyoleba parlamentSi,

an rogor iqneba warmodgenili

sxvadasxva sammarTvelo

uwyebaSi. miuxedavad imisa,

rom darwmunebuli var, am kuTxiT

Sedegi iqneba Zalian maRali.

aramed Cveni mizani da Cveni maqsumumi

iqneba is, rom pirveli noembridan

am qveyanam daiwyos Zalian

swrafi tempebiT amosvla Waobidan

da saqarTvelos moqalaqem

igrZnos, rom misi qveyana viTardeba

ise, rogorc arc erTi qveyana

am regionSi.

_ Tu opoziciuri koaliciuri

mTavrobis Seqmnis sakiTxi dadga

dRis wesrigSi, dauWerT Tu ara

mxars gaerTianebuli opoziciis

premierobis kandidat saakaS-

vils?

_ opoziciuri koaliciuri

mTavrobis Seqmna gardauvalia,

romelSic warmodgenili iqneba

mravali opoziciuri partia da es

erToba daakompleqebs mTavrobas.

rac Seexeba premier-ministrobis

kandidats, Tu vin iqneba saqar-

Tvelos momavali premier-ministri,

amas gadawyvets qarTveli xalxi

arCevnebze da CvenTvis qarTveli

xalxis neba uzenaesia. Cven

molaparakebebSi SevdivarT yvelasTan,

Cveni stili ar aris dapirispireba,

Cveni stilia konstruqciuli,

TanamSromlobiTi partnioroba

miznis garSemo, romelic

am qveynis ukeTesi momavlisTvis

brZolaa. Tqven ver naxavT

verc erT intervius Tu gancxadebas,

sadac „strategia aRmaSeneblis”

lideri Tu nebismieri warmomadgeneli

opoziciur ZalebTan

Sedis kinklaobaSi. da Cven swored

ase vapirebT brZolis gagr-

Zelebas.

_ ra upiratesobebi aqvs giorgi

vaSaZes sxva premierobis kan-

didatebTan SedarebiT?

_ „strategia aRmaSeneblisa” da

misi xelmZRvanelis upiratesoba

sxva nebismieri gundis mimarT

aris is, rom Cven ukve gvaqvs winaswar

SemuSavebuli kompleqsuri,

daxvewili da qveynis Seuqcevadad

ganviTarebisTvis momarTuli gegmebi,

romlebic strategia aRmaSeneblis

formatiT erTiandeba.

33

giorgi abaSiZe


„SegaxsenebT 2012 wels... gaixseneT, ra xdeboda winasaar-

Cevno periodSi, gaixseneT saerTaSoriso sazogadoebis aqti-

uroba... gancxadeba gancxadebaze da mowodebebi xelisuflebis

gadabarebis Sesaxeb. gaixseneT hilari klintonis winasaar-

Cevno viziti da im mcire komentarebSi, rasac akeTebda im

dReebSi, ramdenjer gaiJRera xelisuflebis gadabarebam.

`qarTulma ocnebam~

ra xdeba dRes?! _ gsmeniaT

vinmesgan mowodeba xelisuflebis

gadabarebis Sesaxeb?! _

ara! araTu mowodeba, sadamkvirveblo

misiac ki ar Camodis

pandemiis momizezebiT. gaiazreT,

es raze metyvelebs! ivani-

Svili arsad „wasvlas” ar apirebs

da is uazro isteria, TiTqos

„ocneba” „sruldeba”, aris

farsi, siyalbe da TvalebSi nacris

Seyra!

arsebul politikur klass,

e. w. 30-wlian politikosebs, ar

SeswevT Zala, moerion ivaniSvils!

maT amowures politikuri

resursi da rac yvelaze

cudia, maT ar surT amis gacnobiereba

da jiutad cdiloben

darCnen politikur scenaze,

magram es mxolod drois ambavia!

dro ki Cven winaaRmdeg,

xalxis winaaRmdeg moqmedebs!

erTaderTi gamosavali am

situaciidan aris, rac SeiZleba

male moaxerxoT xalxma realobis

gacnobiereba”, _ esaa

amonaridi „reformatorebis”

lideris, daviT mirotaZis

„feisbuqstatusidan”.

ratom hgonia Cvens respondents,

rom „ocneba” xelisuflebaSi

SesaZloa, mesame vadi-

Tac darCes da ratom ebrZvis

mTeli politikuri klasi _

xelisuflebidan dawyebuli

gavleniani opoziciiT damTa-

vrebuli, e. w. wvril partiebs,

maT Soris, „reformatoreb-

sac”? _ am kiTxvebze pasuxs

daviT mirotaZis vrceli in-

terviudan miiRebT da imasac

gaigebT, Tu ratom mokla „ocnebam”

saqarTvelos saxelmwi-

foebrioba.

_ daTo, „reformatorebi”

arCevnebSi wels pirvelad

monawileobs, ara?

_ ara, pirvelad 2014 wlis

adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis

arCevnebSi miviReT monawileoba.

_ es is „reformatorebis”

partiaa, Tavis droze irakli

Rlonti rom Tavmjdomareob-

da?

_ ki batono.

_ keTili... axla is miTxari,

2020-is arCevnebze Tqveni

poziciebi rogoria?

_ saarCevno subieqtebi varT.

_ es gasagebia, magram qar-

Tuli politikuri bazari er-

Tob mravalferovania, Tumca

mTavari ori moTamaSea _ „ocneba”

da „nacionaluri moZrao-

ba”. hoda, am mocemulobaSi ra

Sansi gaqvT?

_ 2014 wels Cveni partia

erTma an orma ki ara, daaxloebiT,

ocma adamianma daaarsa.

_ es Cems kiTxvasTan ra kav-

SirSia?

_ partia Tavidanve gunduri

muSaobisTvis Seiqmna da axlac

asea, rasac erTi garemoebac

adaturebs: pirvel Tavmjdoma-

res nominaluri mmarTvelobac

ki ar aqvs SenarCunebuli. mokled,

imis Tqma minda, rom „reformatorebi”

aqamde arsebuli

yvela partiisgan absoluturad

gansxvavebuli modelia _ saqarTveloSi

yvela partia erT

kaczea Camokidebuli. sxvaTa

Soris, am xnis ganmavlobaSi,

rac varsebobT, bevri ram moxda.

_ kerZod?

_ SeiZleba iTqvas, rom

dagvSales.

_ vin dagSalaT?

_ raRac Zalebma CarevebiTa

Tu gadabirebebiT.

_ anu xelisuflebaze mian-

iSneb, daTo?

_ ase vTqvaT: gavlenian

jgufebze. es SeiZleba, xelisuflebac

iyos da ara _ xelisuflebac,

anu zogadad im politikur

klasze vsaubrob, romelic

saqarTveloSi bolo 30

welia, arsebobs.

_ daSlis mizani ra iyo?

axla, ar miTxra, rom es 30-

wliani politikuri klasi „re-

formatorebSi”

seriozul

konkurents xedavda...

_ SeiZleba, ambiciurad JRers,

magram „reformatorebis”

dResac Zalian eSiniaT, radgan

Cvens gundSi kompromatebs veravis

upovian. aseTi xalxi ki

arc xelisuflebas awyobs, arc

_ opoziciis gavlenian jgufebs

da arc _ gare Zalebs.

_ Tu Tqvens wevrebze kom-

promatebi ar arsebobs, aba,

gadabireba rogorRa moaxerx-

es?

_ adamianebi varT. zogisTvis

raRacam ikaSkaSa, zogi susti

nebisyofis aRmoCnda da a. S.

roca im principebs Ralatob,

romlisTvisac erTad davdeqiT,

gundis SigniTac raRac xdeba

da amitom bevrma gacla amjobina,

bevrma ki gadavwyviteT,

rom bolomde gvebrZola... pirdapir

vityvi: pirveli yrilobis

dros politsabWos Tavmjdomare

viyavi da politsabWos

ramdenime wevrTan erTad

partiidan wasvlaze gancxadeba

gavakeTe, Tumca mere aRmoCnda,

rom partiis wevrebisa da mxardamWerebis

didi nawili maSindeli

Tavmjdomaris ki ara, Cveni

momxre iyo, anu gviTxres,

Tqveni mxardamWerebi varT da

sad midixarTo. amitom gadavwyviteT,

ar wavsuliyaviT da,

piriqiT, gverbZrola.

_ hoda, weRandel kiTxvas

xelaxla dagisvam, daTo: Tu

mTeli politikuri speqtri

„reformatorebs” ebrZvis, aba,

31 oqtombers risi imedi

gaqvs?

_ xalxis!

_ gulwrfelad getyvi da ar

gewyinos: xalxis umetesobam

arc ki icis, rom partia „re-

formatorebi” arsebobs.

_ samwuxarod, asea. saerTod,

Cveni principebis gamo Zalian

daviT mirotaZe: àm

arCevnebma SesaZloa, ise

Caiaros, xalxma bevri

veraferi moaxerxos!~

rTulia iseTi adamianebi moZebno,

romelTac resursi aqvT.

politikur procesSi ganvi-

TarebisTvis resursi aucilebelia.

aseve am sferoSi arakomprometirebuli

adamianebis

moZebna Zalian rTulia.

amomrCeveli, umetes SemTxvevaSi,

romelime politikur

ZalasTanaa identificirebuli

da yvelafer amis gamo naklebi

cnobadoba gvaqvs, magram Tu

imaze daviwyebT fiqrs, ariqa,

vinme fuliani movZebnoT, visac

siaSi CavsvamT an vinmes SevekraT

da SemovekraTo, „reformatorebic”

im situaciamde mivlen,

romelSic sxva partiebi

arian. amitom amas Tanmimdevruli

ganviTareba sjobia da darwmunebuli

var, am arCevnebis

Semdeg „refrmatorebi” parlamentSi

aucileblad iqneba warmodgenili.

_ amas ris safuZvelze am-

bob?

_ mosaxleobisgan didi mxardaWera

gvaqvs.

_ aki, xalxi ar gvicnobso?

_ yvelasgan, vinc Cven Sesaxeb

igebs, did pozitivs vgrZnobT.

„dayenebuli frazebiT” ar

vsaubrobT da xalxi am gulwrfelobas

kargad xvdeba. masa

SeiZleba, gonebiT naklebad moqmedebs,

magram mgrZnobeloba

Zalian didi aqvs, anu gulwrfelobas

siyalbisgan kargad

arCevs da Cveni, uxeSad rom

vTqva, koziric swored gulwrfeloba

da simarTlis laparakia!

es ki rTuli gzaa.

_ maSasadame, darwmunebuli

xar, rom meaTe mowvevis parla-

mentSi „reformatorebi” erTi

mandatiT mainc iqneba warmod-

genili?

_ aucileblad!

_ msoflio praqtika mowmobs,

rom erT mandats Sesa-

Zloa, oqros fasi hqondes.

hoda, Tu ise moxda, rom koaliciis

Sesaqmnelad „refor-

matorebis” erTi xma gaxda

saWiro, vis mxares dadgebi _

„ocnebis” Tu „nacmoZraobis”?

_ „reformatorebi” koaliciuri

mTavrobis winaaRmdegia.

_ ratom?

_ swored koaliciuri

mTavrobis dros yvelaze kargi

Sansia, rom araformaluri mmarTveli

arsebobdes da situacias

imaze ufro farulad mar-

Tavdes, vidre dRes marTavs.

sxvaTa Soris, mxolod koaliciuri

mTavrobis ki ara, saparlamento

mmarTvelobis winaa-

Rmdegic varT. saqarTvelo Sereuli

ki ara, aucileblad wminda

saprezidento saxelmwifo

unda iyos, sadac premieris Tanamdeboba

ar iqneba da mTavrobas

prezidenti uxelmZRvanelebs.

politikur TeoriebSic

asea.

_ ase, anu rogor?

_ xelisuflebis danawilebis

xarisxi Zalian dabalia. saprezidento

respublika ki is

modelia, sadac xelisuflebis

Stoebs Soris balansi Zalian

maRalia.

_ saqarTvelo, klasikuri

gagebiT, arc saparlamento respublikaa

da arc _ saprezi-

dento.

_ diax da saprezidento respublikisken

unda wavideT.

_ am gadawyvetilebas „reformatorebis”

gundi ver miiRebs,

radgan parlamentSi, bev-

ri-bevri, ori mandati hqondes...

_ dRes da xval amas ver gavakeTebT,

magram Cveni mTavari

amocana da mizani yovelTvis is

iqneba, rom Cveni gundi aucileblad

gaZlierdes. pirdapir

vambob: „reformatorebi” momavali

saxelisuflebo gundia.

ise, jer kidev aravin icis,

arCevnebis mere ra da rogor

iqneba, anu koalicia saWiro

gaxdeba Tu ara, magram politika

dinamikuri procesia.

_ diax, asea...

_ adamianma politikaSi yovelTvis

saxelmwifo interesebiT

unda ixelmZRvanelo da

gadawyvetilebebic iseTi unda

miiRo, romelic qveynas gamoadgeba.

mokled, miuxedavad imisa,

rom koaliciis winaaRmdegebi

varT, gadawyvetilebas imis

34

34 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.


saxelmwifoebrioba mokla!~

mixedviT miviRebT, arCevnebis

mere rogori situaciac iqneba.

_ e. i., „reformatorebisTvis”

„ocnebasTan” Tanam-

Sromlobac misaRebia da „nac-

moZraobasTanac”?

_ ar minda, pirdapir vTqva.

_ anu?

_ Cveni realoba or ki ara,

sampolusianobaa.

_ mesame polusi vinRaa?

_ xelisufleba, gavleniani

opozicia da xalxi. merwmune,

xalxs arc xelisufleba aRiarebs

da arc _ opoziciis gavleniani

jgufebi, anu xalxi arc

erTs ainteresebs da arc _ meores.

Sesabamisad, xalxi mesame

mxaresaa. „reformatorebi” ki,

metaforul naTqvamad ar gaigoT

da, xalxidan modis da xalx-

Tan midis!

_ ise, daviT, sityvam moi-

tana da, xalxs ra ainteresebs?

_ xalxs ainteresebs, rom

normalur da awyobil qveyana-

Si cxovrobdes, sadac imuSavebs,

Sesabamisi anazRaureba

eqneba da amasTan, daculic

iqneba. saerTod, Tu usafrTxoeba

araa, is qveyana verafers

Seqmnis! dRes xalxs xelisuflebac

CamoSorebulia da

opoziciac, orives hgonia, rom

adamianebs SiaT da mxolod

amaze unda ilaparakos.

_ diax, xalxs realurad Sia

da swored amazea salaparako!

_ ara, Cemo batono. ekonomika

maSin ganviTardeba, roca

qveynis usafrTxoeba iqneba daculi

da roca Zlieri saxelmwifo

institutebi aSendeba. Tu

mezoblis Semovardnis geSinia,

Sin saWmels ver gaakeTeb. saxelmwifoSic

zustad asea _ investoric

ar Camova. sxva kuTxiT

ki am xelisuflebaze saubari

saerTod ar minda.

_ ukacravad, „ocnebas” ras

uwuneb?

_ arafers, mSvenivrad midis,

ras unda vuwunebde?!

_ diaxac, mSvenivrad midis.

ai, magaliTad, gazafxulze,

roca koronis pirveli talRa

iyo, pirbadeebi ar gvqonda,

axla ki, rogorc premieri am-

bobs, gvaqvs!..

_ „ocnebam” is saxelmwifoebrioba,

romelic gasuli saukunis

90-iani wlebis dasawyisSi

samarTlebrivad daiwyo, mokla!

ufro zustad rom vTqva, qarTuli

saxelmwifo, romelic unda

aSenebuliyo, jer 1992 wels

mokles.

_ maSindel codvebsac „oc-

nebas” nu „avkidebT”...

_ maSin SevardnaZe iyo, magram

„ocnebam” is amonaTebac,

romelic arsebobda, saerTod

damarxa!

_ „ocneba” qarTuli saxelmwifos

damarxvas „nacebs” abralebs

da amis dasturad daviTgarejis,

anu e. w. kartografe-

bis saqme mohyavs...

_ enas Zvali ar aqvs, „ocnebas”

ki _ Sublis ZarRvi da

`saqarTvelo Sereuli ki ara, aucileblad wminda saprezidento saxelmwifo

unda iyos, sadac premieris Tanamdeboba ar iqneba da mTavrobas prezidenti

uxelmZRvanelebs~

yvelafers ityvis, magram xalxi

kargad xedavs, ra da rogoraa.

erTi sityviT, mTavari saxelmwifoebriobaa,

mere ki _

ekonomika da yvelaferi sxva...

_ maSasadame, daTo, ar gaqvs

gancda, rom „nacionalebis”

dros cudi raRacebi xdeboda,

axla ki kargi xdeba?

_ „nacionalebis” dros cudi

raRacebi, ra Tqma unda, xdeboda,

magram saxelmwifo institutebi

Zlierdeboda, Tumca

garkveul periodamde. saer-

Tod, jobia, win gavixedoT da

momavalze vifiqroT, Tumca

raki sityvam moitana, „nacionalebis”

mmarTvelobas or nawilad

gavyof _ 2007 wlamde da

2007-is mere. 2007 wlamde iyo

xelisufleba, romelic saqar-

Tvelos ganviTarebis Zalian

seriozul gzaze idga. 2007

wlis Semodgomis movlenebis

Semdeg ki sakuTari xelisuflebis

SenarCunebaze fiqri,

Tanac araswori gziT daiwyo.

_ geTanxmebi... daviT, dRes

xalxi imisTvis mzadaa, rom xe-

lisufleba Secvalos?

_ diax, xalxi mzadaa, rom

„ocneba” xelisuflebidan wavides,

oRond imis realuri alternativa

ar aqvs, rom „ocneba”

xelisuflebidan gauSvas.

sxvaTa Soris, ramdenime Tvis

win vTqvi, wlevandeli arCevnebi

e. w. gadarCeviTi arCevnebi

ar iqneba-meTqi.

_ „gadarCeviTi arCevnebi”

ras niSnavs?

_ es xelisufleba aRar gvinda

da unda gadavirCioT... Tu

gavleniani opoziciuri Zalebi

swor gzas daadgebodnen, „akrefdnen”

da SeZlebdnen, rom „ocnebis”

alternativa yofiliyvnen,

magram axla sazogadoeba

iqamdea misuli, rom viRacas,

ubralod, airCevs, anu arsebuli

xelisuflebis gadarCevisTvis

ar miva ubanze.

_ hoda, problemac swored

egaa, rom xalxi „qocebisa” da

ès xelisufleba aRar gvinda da unda

gadavirCioT... Tu gavleniani opoziciuri

Zalebi swor gzas daadgebodnen, àkrefdnen~

da SeZlebdnen, rom òcnebis~ alternativa

yofiliyvnen, magram axla sazogadoeba

iqamdea misuli, rom viRacas, ubralod,

airCevs, anu arsebuli xelisuflebis

gadarCevisTvis ar miva ubanze~

„nacebis” alternativas ver

xedavs. am dros, meubnebi, „re-

formatorebi” xalxTan dgaso.

me, rigiTma amomrCevelma,

rogor unda gavigo, rom „re-

formatorebi” xalxis partiaa,

anu rom ganvazogadoT, e. w.

SuaSisturma da patara partie-

bma 31 oqtombers politikuri

lelo rogor unda gaitanoT?

_ ar vici... saarCevno subieqtad

50-mde partiaa registrirebuli,

Tumca, simarTle rom

vTqva, „reformatorebs” Sua-

Sistebis rangSi ver gaviyvan,

radgan absoluturad sxvanairi

gundi varT, anu erT an or

arCevnebze ar varT orientirebuli

da da ufro Sors mimavali

gegmebi gvaqvs. rac Seexeba

kiTxvas, imis iluzia ar gvaqvs,

rom 31 oqtombers furors

movaxdenT da xelisuflebaSi

movalT, magram Tanmimdevruli

ganviTarebiT yvelaferi Sesa-

Zlebelia da erT dRes „reformatorebi”

saxelisuflebo gundi

aucileblad gaxdeba!

_ Tu gansxvavebuli politikuri

gundia da aseve gansxvavebuli

gegmebi aqvs, maSin bi-

znesmenebi „reformatorebSi”

fuls ratom ar deben?

_ yvelam viciT, am qveyanaSi

biznesi rogorcaa.

_ rogor?

_ did biznesebTan arc ki

mivsulvarT, rom Cveni programa

gagvecno da mxardaWera gve-

Txova _ didi biznesebi, rogorc

wesi, garigebaSi arian.

saerTod, saqarTveloSi iseTi

garemoa Seqmnili, rom patara

biznessac ki eSinia, jibidan asi

lari amoiRos da partias oficialurad

Cauricxos. uxsni,

eubnebi, amis gamo aravin arafers

dagiSavebs, bolos da bolos,

gverdiT dagidgebi da

Seni daCagvris uflebas aravis

mivcem-meTqi, magram yvelas

Zalian uWirs, rom xeli gamogiwodos.

sxvaTa Soris, bevri gulwrfelad

gveubneba, _ Zalian

kargi adamianebi xarT, magram

ra vqnaTo...

_ ise, daTo, koronapandemiis

gamo dasaSvebia, rom 31 oqtombers

xalxis aqtivoba daba-

li iyos da, Sesabamisad, arCev-

nebis legitimuroba eWqveS

dadges?

_ mxolod saqarTveloSi ki

ara, mTel msoflioSi araprognozirebadi

politikuri vi-

Tarebaa.

_ amas riT xsni?

_ profesiiT politologi

da politikis analitikosi var,

anu Cemi profesia analizi da

gamosavlis povnaa, Tumca es

profesia aqac ise rom muSaobdes,

rogorc aSS-Si muSaobs,

albaT, seriozulad CaviWrebodi,

radgan araordinaluri

droeba da situaciaa. Sesabamisad,

imis prognozireba, ra

moxdeba da ra rogor iqneba,

Zalian rTulia. diax, praqtikulad

warmoudgenelia, rom

raRac ganWvrito, Tumca Tu

marTali xar, bolomde gaxval.

ai, cunami rom aris xolme: aqeT

pandemia, iqiT _ socialuri

problemebi da yvela erTmaneTs

eWvis TvaliT uyurebs...

_ xom ar ggonia, rom xeli-

sufleba koronas politikuri

manipulaciebisTvis iyenebs?

_ cxadia, rom raRac doneze

iyenebs, anu mTelma saqarTvelom

icis, rom is statistikidan,

romelic qveyndeba, bevrs testi

gakeTebulic ar aqvs, Tumca

es imas rodi niSnavs, rom pandemia

araa. ise, aravis ewyinos

da mainc samxreTelebi da, Sesabamisad,

cota mouwesrigeblebi

varT. arada, ufro

moridebulebi unda viyoT da

Svilebs Tu ojaxebs metad unda

vicavdeT. ai, magaliTad, piradad

me sazogadoebrivi

tnasportiT davdivar da pirbadeebis

gakeTebaze monitoringis

samsaxurs omi aqvs.

_ hoda, yvelaferi es

arCevnebze imoqmedebs Tu ara?

_ weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos,

prognozireba Zalian rTulia,

Tumca mgonia, rom aqtivoba

Zalian dabali iqneba, miuxedavad

imisa, rom xelisufleba

yvela berkets gamoiyenebs, ararealuri

cifrebi „moitanos”.

_ amis gamo dRis wesrigSi

arCevnebis Sedegebis arale-

gitimuroba xom ar dadgeba?

_ arafers gamovricxav, Tumca

saerTaSoriso sazogadoebas

Cveni arCevnebisTvis didad ar

scxela, yovel SemTxvevaSi,

Tval-yurs ise ver gvadevnebs,

rogorc sCvevia da rogorc

wesia. amitom am arCevnebma Sesa-

Zloa, ise Caiaros, rom xalxma

bevri veraferi moaxerxos.

_ e. i., imis Sansi, rom „ocneba”

xelisuflebaSi mesame va-

diTac darCes, didia, ara?

_ arc amas gamovricxav, Tumca

„ocnebis” darCena dasasrulis

dasawyisi iqneba. amaT dar-

Cenas mxolod xalxi ki ara, Cveni

saxelmwifoebriobac didxans

veRar aitans. saxelmwifoebriobis

dakargvamde bevri aRar

gviklia da is dro aRaraa, rom

am ganZs SevelioT!

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

35


demna gvasalias gza soxumidan

„qronika+~-is dRevandel no-

giorgi sakaruli

merSi mogiyvebiT ucxoeTSi moR-

555 42 42 81

vawe qarTveli dizaineris, demna

gvasalias warmatebul cxovreba-

ze, miRwevebsa da popularobaze.

yvelaferi ki saqarTvelos

ulamazesi qalaqidan, soxumidan

daiwyo, sadac momavali varskvlavi

daibada. omis Semdeg

demnam cxovreba TbilisSi gaagrZela.

bavSvobidan dainteresebuli

iyo xatviTa da tansacmliT,

magram ojaxis moTxovniT

demnam Tbilisis saxelmwifo

universitetSi, saerTaSoriso

ekonomikis fakultetze Caabara.

4 wlis Semdeg gvasalia ekonomikis

fakultetze stipendianti

kursdamTavrebuli iyo.

demna fiqrobda, rom saqarTveloSi

modasTan dakavSirebul

mis ocnebebs axdena ar ewera,

amitom gadawyvetili hqonda,

swavla gaegrZelebina da ekonomikis

magistri gamxdariyo.

swored maSin demnas ojaxi sacxovreblad

germaniaSi gadavida.

gvasalia axal qveyanaSi axali

realobis winaSe dadga da

gadawyvita, ekonomikis magistraturis

nacvlad, antverpen-

Si xelovnebis akademiaSi Caebarebina.

wavida antverpenSi, raTa

Caricxuliyo antverpenis samefo

akademiaSi xelovnebis

fakultetze. 800 msurvelidan

demna 70 rCeulSi moxvda, _ man

aRniSnul akademiaSi xelovnebis

fakultetze daiwyo swavla.

pirveli kursis bolos demna

70 studentian 16 rCeulSi datoves,

xolo swavlis dasrulebis

Semdeg valter van

beirendonkma, romelic akademiis

reqtori da demnas

profesori gaxldaT, demnas

Tavis brendSi mamakacis

tansacmlis dizaineroba

SesTavaza.

gvasalia belgiaSi beirendokTan

weliwad-naxevari

muSaobda, amis Semdeg

ki sakuTari namuSevrebi

parizSi gagzavna.

amgvarad gvasalia parizSi

miiwvies, sadac „maison

marjielaSi” daimkvidra

adgili. swored

„marjielaSi” daiwyo

misi oficialuri kariera

modis sferoSi.

zustad 5 wlis win, 7 oqtombers,

„modaSi TamaSi” 2015

wels Seicvala, rodesac demna

„balensiagas” SemoqmedebiT

direqtorad dainiSna:

„Cven vicodiT, rom Zalian

did riskze mivdiodiT, magram

gavriskeT da movigeT. mjeroda,

rom Tu demnas biznesis centrSi

davayenebdi, brendi miliardi

evros niSnuls miaRwevda.

me da demnas gvaqvs Sexvedrebi,

sadac mxolod bizness

ganvixilavT. Cven vakvirdebiT

geografiul da demografiul

maCvenebels. axla ar arsebobs

36

àrseboben

555 42 42 81 biWebi,

romlebsac

acviaT

kabebi da es

arafers

niSnavs~

erTi qveyana an regioni, sadac

gviWirs. yvela qveyanaSi onlain

Tu oflain, yvela kategoriaSi

brendi karg Sedegs aCvenebs”, _

acxadebs „balensiagas” generaluri

direqtori sedriq Sarbi.

parizSi sami wlis ganmavlobaSi

demna „marjielas” qalisa

da mamakacis xazis wamyvan dizainerad

muSaobda. is xelmZRvanelobda

H&M & Margiela-s gaxmaurebul

kolaboracias. 2012

wels gvasaliam miiRo SeTavazeba

Louis vuitton-isgan, maSin

rodesac lui vitonis kreatiuli

direqtori mark jeikobsi

iyo. dizainerma dauyovnebliv

miiRo SeTavazeba da modis gigantis

Signidan Seswavla daiwyo.

misi Semdgomi nabiji moulodneli

iyo. miuxedavad maRali

anazRaurebis da kargi pirobebisa,

gvasalias „lui vitonSi”

muSaoba ar moewona.

„Zalian gamimarTla, magram

sxvisi xedvis „aRmasrulebel

dizainerad” muSaobiT moviwyine.

mWirdeboda, rom sakuTar

xedvaze pasuxismgebloba Tavad

ameRo. maSin modis industriaze

Zalian gabrazebuli viyavi. vbrazobdi,

rogor gaxda moda sakuTari

komerciuli egocentrizmis

msxverpli. modis detoqsikacia

naklebad maRelvebda, me

Cemi SemoqmedebiTi xedvis keTildReoba

mainteresebda. ar mindoda

gadameyvarebina is, razedac

yovelTvis vocnebobdi.

mokled, brazisgan da ubralo

survilisgan, rom mekeTebina,

rac me momwons, Sevqmeni „vetmani”.

marTla ar maRelvebda amisgan

„biznesis” Seqmna, Cems SemoqmedebiT

gonebaSi auTenturi

ajanyeba xdeboda”, _ ambobs

demna.

Vetements-s mohyva swrafi

gamoxmaureba, is iyo damangreveli

da marginaluri. am modis

xazma, miuxedavad imisa, rom

demnas ar gaukeTebia aseTi gancxadeba,

daangria tradiciuli

modis kodebi. sinamdvileSi,

misi gundi ar fiqrobda imaves,

rasac sxva modis saxlebi. maTi

motivi iyo is, rom tansacmeli,

romelic modis Cvenebebze

gamohqondaT, maRaziebSi gayiduliyo.

dizaineris namuSevrebi

aris SeZlebisdagvarad

realisturi da satareblad

komfortuli.

kiTxvaze, Tu ras fiqrobs

„genderulad-fluiduri”

stilis ideaze,

demna pasuxobs:

„mZuls eg termini!

Zalian vulgarulad

JRers. Tu Cvens CvenebaSi

gogonasa da biWs

erTnairi luqi acviaT,

imitom rom oriveze

vcadeT da orives

mouxda da ara imitom

rom „genderulad-fluiduri”

stilia.

25 wlis winaT,

Tu biWi Caicvamda

kabas, ganacxadiviT

iyo, rac yuradRebis

gamaxvilebas imsaxurebda,

magram

axla... normalur socium-

Si es, ubralod, Cveulebrivi

movlenaa da sruliad normaluria.

yvelas aqvs ufleba, rac

unda is Caicvas, ise, rom ar davaxasiaToT

vulgaruli terminebiT.

arseboben biWebi, romlebsac

acviaT kabebi da gogonebi,

romlebsac acviaT mamakacis

pijakebi da es arafers niSnavs,

garda imisa, rom maT moswonT,

rac acviaT”.

sil axlaxan demnam „balensiagas”

Pre-Collection 2021 klipis

saxiT gamouSva simReraze „Sunglasses

at night”, romelsac demnas

meore naxevari, loiki asrulebs.

originali simRera Corey

Hart-s ekuTvnis. rac Seexeba videoklips,

parizSia gadaRebuli.

- demna gvasalias Sesaxeb gsmenia?

vSiSob, rom ara.

kargi, is Vetemenet-is mTavari

dizaineria da axla Balenciaga-sTvis

qmnis samoss. is qarTvelia

da mas bavSvobidan axsovs

omi. man es koleqcia Seqmna

Balenciaga-sTvis (telefonSi

aCvenebs fotoebs). xvdebi? man

omis mogonebebi qsovilad aqcia”,

_ aseTi monologi mimdinareobs

amerikul serial

„We Are Who We Are”-s („is varT,

vinc varT”) mexuTe seriaSi,

romlis premierac ramdenime

kviris win Sedga.

mTavari gmiri, saxelad freizeri,

meorexarisxovan personaJ

jonaTanTan Tavis samomavlo

gegmebze saubrisas swored qar-

Tuli warmoSobis am cnobil

dizainers axsenebs.

am axal serials msoflios

sxva mraval kuTxesTan erTad

qarTveli mayureblebic hyavs,

romelTac, ra Tqma unda, Seni-

Snes es momenti da moulodnelad

sasiamovno siurpriziT

aRfrTovaneba socialur qselebSi

gaaziares.

demna uniformebis

mniSvnelobaze

„uniformebis socialuri

mniSvnelobiT adreuli asakidan

davinteresdi. gansxvavebuli

uniformebis garemocvaSi

gavizarde: samxedro, policiis,

marTlmadidebluri samRvde-

`gansxvavebuli uniformebis garemocvaSi

gavizarde: samxedro, policiis,

marTlmadidebluri samRvdelo, `cudi biWebi~

sportulebiT da tyavis JaketiT, msuqani

`warmatebuli~ biznesmenebi didi muclebiT,

qalebi SavebSi, rac saqarTveloSi Zalian

gavrcelebulia, zogierTi cxovrebis bolomde

Savs atarebs, Tu vinme Zalian axlobeli

gardaecvleba~

36 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.


_ msoflio warmatebamde

lo, „cudi biWebi” sportulebiT

da tyavis JaketiT, msuqani

„warmatebuli” biznesmenebi didi

muclebiT, qalebi SavebSi,

rac saqarTveloSi Zalian gavrcelebulia,

zogierTi cxovrebis

bolomde Savs atarebs, Tu

vinme Zalian axlobeli gardaecvleba.

quCis stili, rogorc uniformis

erT-erTi saxe, yvelaze

metad mainteresebda, radgan

mas Zalian bevri gansxvavebuli

simbolo hqonda. mivxvdi, rom

modis uniformebi SeiZleba

iyos rogorc TviTgamoxatvis,

agreTve Tavdacvis Zlieri iaraRi.

adreve mqonda gaazrebuli,

rom tansacmeli ufro metia,

vidre _ qsovili, romliTac SeiZleba

sxeuli daifaro. tansacmliT

waradgen sakuTar Tavs

iseTs, rogoric ginda gamoCnde

sxvebis TvalSi. is Cveni identobis

socialuri mniSvnelobis

matarebelia.

wlebis Semdeg parizis quCa-

Si Tavdasxmas gadavurCi, radgan

uSiSroebis maisuri mecva.

am maisuriT, romelmac Tavdasxmas

gadamarCina, klubebSi

rigis gareSe Sevdiodi. dizain-

Si Cemi identobis mudmiv Zieba-

Si viyavi. dekonstruqcia da

konstruqcia viswavle. samosis

Seqmnis siyvaruliT ramdenime

Rame zedized gamiTenebia. vanadgurebdi

Cems gamousadegar

sakerav manqanas, vsvamdi iaffasian

wiTel Rvinos, veweodi da

musikas xmamaRla vusmendi. es

iyo sakmaod uZilo, mSfoTvare,

Camoyalibebis 4 weliwadi, romlis

ganmavlobaSic sakuTari

identobis povna mainc ver Sev-

Zeli, magram xelovnebis istoriaSi

bevr gakveTils veswrebodi,

ramac konceptualur da

Tanamedrove xelovnebaSi Tvalebi

amixila”, _ ambobs demna.

SeiZleba iTqvas, rom demna

gvasaliam saqarTvelo msoflios

gaacno. dizainerma koleqciis

saSualebiT mTel msoflios

saqarTvelos uaxlesi istoria

mouyva. demna axali koleqciis

saSualebiT qarTul damwerlobasac

uwevs popularizacias.

koleqciaSi naxavT samoss warwerebiT:

„soxumi”, „tansacmeli”,

„ufalo Segviwyalen”, erTerT

samosze galaktion tabiZis

„me da Ramec” ki aris datanili.

dizainerma koleqciis CvenebisTvis

40-mde modeli saqarTveloSi

SearCia da axali koleqciis

wardgenis saSualeba swored

maT misca. „es aris tansacmeli,

romelSic dokumentirebulia

Cemi bavSvoba. koleqcia

mivuZRveni saqarTvelos. qveyanas,

sadac me da Cemi Zma gurami

90-ian wlebSi vizrdebodiT da

omi iyo iq, sadac Cven vcxovrobdiT”,

_ citirebs „vogi”

demna gvasalias sityvebs.

„dRes yvela omsa da ltolvilebze

saubrobs da diax, me

kargad vici, es ras niSnavs. ucnauria,

es Cemi cxovrebaa, magram,

amavdroulad, es aris is,

ris Sesaxebac CNN-ze dResac

vuyurebT”, _ ambobs demna.

28-e gverdidan

auqcionis pirobis Sesrulebaze kontrolis

ararseboba Sps „vila ZarasTan”

moqmedi yvela xelSekrulebis savaldebulo

pirobas warmoadgenda _ ijariT

aRebul farTebSi kvebis obieqtebis mowyoba.

farTis funqciuri daniSnuleba

aseve miTiTebuli iyo saministros mier

Tanxmobis gacemis etapze. auditoruli

procedurebiT dadginda, rom ijariT

gacemuli farTis nawili qvemoijareebis

(Sps „bildia” da Sps „jeoprogresgrupi”)

mier gamoiyeneba saofise saqmianobisTvis.

aRniSnuli faqtobrivi garemoeba,

mxareTa Soris gaformebuli xelSekrulebis

me-4 muxlis me-2 punqtis Tanaxmad,

moijaris mier xelSekrulebiT gansazRvruli

pirobebis darRvevis Semadgenelia

da iTvaliswinebs pirgasamtexlos

daricxvas wliuri saijaro qiris

odenobiT, rac universitetis mxridan

ar ganxorcielebula.

xelSekrulebis moqmedebis mTeli periodis

ganmavlobaSi, moijaris mxridan

ar Catarebula saauqciono pirobis Sesrulebis

mdgomareobis monitoringi.

2016 wlis 31 dekembrisTvis Sps „vila-

Zaras” mimarT vadagadacilebuli moTxovnebia

saijaro qiraze 233,41 aTas laris

odenobiT. 2015-2016 wlebSi moijare

xelSekrulebiT gaTvaliswinebuli ijaris

safasurs ixdida sistematurad dagvianebiT.

meijares saijaro safasuris

gadaxdis vadagadacilebaze xelSekrulebiT

gaTvaliswinebuli sanqciebi ar

gamouyenebia da Sesabamisad, Sps „vila-

Zaras” pirgasamtexlo 2015-2016 wlebis

ganmavlobaSi ar gadauxdia. universitetis

safinanso samsaxuris mier mowodebuli

cnobiT, Sps „vila-Zaraze” saijaro

qiris gadaxdis vadis darRvevaze

dasaricxi pirgasamtexlo Seadgens 2015

wels 32,16 aTas lars, xolo 2016 wels _

6,2 aTas lars. sul jamurad Sesamow-

ratom flobs kaxeTis

fermeruli kompania

saqarTvelos teqnikuri

universitetis

Senobis nawils?

mebel periodSi _ 38,36 aTas lars. sul,

2016 wlis 31 dekembris mdgomareobiT,

ssip saqarTvelos teqnikuri universitetisTvis

Sps „vila-Zaras” gadasaxdeli

hqonda vadagadacilebuli davalianeba

saijaro qiris mixedviT _ 233,41 aTasi

lari da pirgasamtexlo saijaro qiris

gadaxdis vadis darRvevaze _ 38,36 aTasi

lari.

qonebis sakuTrebis uflebiT registracia

universitetebis uflebaunarianobis

moculobis zrdis riskis matarebelia.

es imas niSnavs, rom maT kanonmdeblobiT

miniWebuli aqvT SezRuduli saqmianobis

ufleba da amavdroulad saxelmwifo

qonebaze, romelic maT gadaeca,

SeuzRudavi, Tavisufali gankargvis

ufleba. aqedan gamomdinare, sakuTrebis

uflebiT registrirebul qonebis

moZraobaze saxelmwifo kontrolis ganmaxorcielebeli

organos kontroli

sustia, anu Tavis dinebazea miSvebuli.

ra gmodis, rom sanivTe uflebis registraciis

gareSe qonebis floba zrdis

qonebis universitetebTan SeuTaxmeblad

gankargvis risks.

universitetebs balansze ericxebaT

81 erTeuli, 1934 aTasi laris Rirebulebis

fizikurad amortizebuli, avariul

mdgomareobaSi myofi

Senoba-nagebobebi, romelic aRdgenas

da kapitalur remonts ar eqvemdebareba

da qoneba, romelsac nivTobriv-materialuri

forma aRar gaaCnia. fizikurad

amortizebul, administraciuli da saoperaco

miznebisTvis gamouyenebel qonebas

ar moaqvs ekonomikuri sargebeli

da Sedegad, saxelmwifo qoneba araefeqtianad

aris gamoyenebuli. universitetebis

balansze iricxeba droebiT okupirebul

teritoriaze arsebuli 9 er-

Teuli Senoba-nageboba, xolo balansze

ricxuli 8 erTeuli Senoba dakavebulia

droebiT okupirebuli teritoriidan

iZulebiT gadaadgilebuli pirebis mier.

mesame pirebis mier dakavebuli farTebi

ar aris CarTuli ekonomikur brunvaSi

da maT mier farTebis aramarTlzomier

mflobelobaSi arseboba aferxebs

qonebis efeqtianad gamoyenebisa da

mis Semdgomi gankargvis SesaZleblobas.

teqnikuri universitetis xelmZRvanelobis

pasuxismgebloba moicavs Sida

kontrolis sistemis SemuSavebasa da

danergvas. „vila-Zaras” mesakuTre aris

Sps v.d. kapitali, roemlic, Tavis mxriv,

moicavs „TaRlaurasa” da „kaxeTis fermerul

kompanias”.

swored imis gamo, rom es pasuxismgebloba

universtitetis xelmZRvcanelobam

ver itvirTa sakuTar Tavze, im realobis

davdeqiT winaSe, romlis Sesaxebac

„qronika+~ Semdeg nomerSi SemogTavzebT.

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

37


ra iqneba rva erSi?

kacma rom Tqvas, sqoTebisgan 7:48 aravis

unda gakvirveboda, magram qarTveli qomagi

„marifildze” borjRalosnebisgan xom lamis

mogebas moiTxovda. etyoba, aseTia Cveni

buneba da mentaloba…

Cveni nakrebis moumzadebloba TamaSamdec

cnobili iyo: maisis bolos levan maisaSvilis

mier „Sevardenze” Sekrebili Semadgenloba

xom mxolod Sida CempionatSi moasparezeebs,

uklubod darCenilebsa da safrangeTSi

pandemiis gamo

verwasul moragbeebs aerTianebda. mTavari,

damrtymeli Zala ki Sors, safrangeT-

Si imyofeboda. sanakrebo bazaze gegmazomieri

mzadeba ki mimdinareobda, magram rodemde

unda emzado da Tavi saqmeSi ver gamoscado?

am yvelafers isic daerTo, rom „msoflio

ragbis” gadawyvetilebiT, evropaSi wamsvlel

qarTvelebs 2 kvira karantinSi unda

gaetarebinaT, ramac igive didi 12-is moTamaSeebs

Zlivs dawyebul CempionatSi praqtikis

miRebis Sansi mouspo. upirvelesad, swored

am saTamaSo praqtikis deficitma iCina

Tavi.

saTamaSo praqtikiT ganebivrebulebi arc

legionerebi iyvnen, radgan bevri maTgani

elementarulad klubSi an konkurencias ver

uZlebs am etapze, an rotaciaSi yveba da

TamaSi yovel meore an mesame turSi uwevs.

gamonaklisic iyo, magram ragbi yvelaze

gunduri TamaSia da erTi kacis funqciuri

Tu saTamaSo moumzadebloba egreve TvalSi

sacemi xdeba. es arc mwvrTnelis bralia da

arc _ biWebis.

Sotlandielebi ki sapirispirod, funqciuradac

saucxood gamoiyurebodnen, saTamaSo

praqtika ki, icocxle, yvelas uxvad

aqvs 90% xom „glazgosa” da „edinburgSi”

TamaSobs, es klubebi ki gaxurebul pro 14-

Si regularulad asparezoben.

marTalia, marcxi metad mtkivneulia, ma-

gram tragediad ar unda aRviqvaT. epizodurad

gamogvdioda is, rac SegviZlia. aucileblad

Sesaqebia veterani garemarbi sandro

Todua, romelmac ori gardauvali

lelosgan gvixsna, kargebi iyvnen miSa nariaSvili,

vasil lobJaniZe da nodar WeiSvili,

magram maTac ki meti SeuZliaT da danarCenebze

xom saubaric zedmetia.

gunds etyoba potenciali, magram „marifildze”

paraskevs ise iTamaSa, rogorc

2000-ianebis dasawyisSi, roca mxolod ecnoboda

elitas da am sibrtyeze pirvel nabijebs

dgamda. amdeni Secdoma xom mxolod axalbedebs

mosdiT da paraskevs saqarTvelos

nakrebma axalbedasaviT iTamaSa.

amdenad, SotlandielTa realuri siZlieris

Sefasebac rTulia, miuxedavad imisa,

rom qarTvelebis winaaRmdeg TiTqmis srulyofilad

iTamaSa.

„narSavebis” Tavkacma gregor Taunsendma

namatCevs brZana, rom kmayofili angariSi-

Tacaa da TamaSis xarisxiTac, magram ki daamata,

dasaxvewi elementebi blomad SevniSne

da samuSaoc bevri gvaqvso.

maisaSvilma ki ganmarta molis vergaCerebis

mizezebi, aqaoda, gundma sruli SemadgenlobiT

mxolod orjer (!) ivarjiSa da

molis dacvaze samuSaod ubralod dro ar

gveyoo. Tumc ki qarTvelTa damrigebelma

piroba dado, momdevno matCebSi gacilebiT

ukeT viTamaSebTo. uaxloesi Sexvedra ki,

mogexsenebaT, 14 noembers londonis didebul

„Tviqnemze” inglisis nakrebTan gvelis…

infantino, korona, yatari

„msoflio Cempionati daTqmul vadebSi gaimarTeba.

manamde or weliwadze metia darCenili da koronavirusze

kontrols davamyarebT. dro sakmaod

aris”, ganacxada fifas prezidentma jani infantinom

da imedianad aRniSna, rom koronavirusi yatari

2022-is mayureblebiT Catarebas xels ver SeuSlis.

SesarCevis yvela matCi gaisad Catardeba. pirveli

turi 24-25 marts gaimarTeba.

mondiali, rogorc iciT, zamTarSi iqneba: 21 noembridan

18 dekembramde. da rac Seexeba evropis zonis

SesarCevis wilisyras, sabolood gadawyda:

wleuls, 7 dekembers, ciurixSi Catardeba. gakeTdeba

10 jgufi da mxolod pirveladgilosnebi miiReben

yataris sagzurs. evropidan kidev sami adgili ki 12

gundidan gaTamaSdeba: 10 meoreadgilosans plus 2

saukeTeso nakrebi erTa ligidan.

wilisyrisas saqarTvelo 6-dan me-4 kalaTaSi iqneba.

levangolski

bundesligis mexuTe turSi miunxenis

„baierni” Sin „aintraxts” dauxvda

da 5:0 gaanadgura. amaSi gasakvi-

ri araferia bavariuli gundisTvis

msgavsi angariSi ucxo ar aris.

arc is aris gasakviri, rom robert

levandovskim heT Triqi gaake-

Ta. bundesligis egidiT matCSi sami

goli polonelma forvardma me-

TerTmeted gaaxerxa da axla masze

meti gatanili heT Triqi sul sam

fexburTels darCa mario gomess,

klaus fiSersa (12) da gerd miulers

(32).

rogorc xedavT, levandovskis

pirvelive heT Trikis dros SeuZlia

mis win myof or fexburTels

gauTanabrdes.

ai, rac Seexeba pirvelobas, gvari-

anad ki gauWirdeba legendaruli

gerd miuleris es rekordis moxsna

am etapze warmoudgenlad moCans.

formula Sansi

formula 1-is sezoni dasasrulisken

aseve dRes gaxda cnobili, rom didi

midis. wleuls sul 7 gran-pri darCa.

cvlilebebi igegmeba ramdenime gundSi.

momaval SabaT-kviras rigiT me-12 rbo-

„haasis” pilotebma _ roman groJanma da

la Catardeba. CempionobisTvis mebrZol-

markus eriqsonma, ganacxades, rom gaisad

Ta Soris pirvel adgilas luis hemiltogunds

datoveben. italiuri gundi momnia

230 quliT da uaxloes mdevars, val-

devno sezonisTvis ukve eZebs Semcvlel-

teri botass 69 quliT ugebs.

ebs. kandidatebad ganixilebian moqmedi

portugaliis gran-prize „mersedesis”

„formula 1-is” mrbolelebi, meqsikeli

britanel mrbolels aqvs Sansi, rom daamx-

serxio peresi da germaneli niko hiulkeos

legendaruli mixael Sumaxeris rekor-

mbergi. aseve aris varianteb, „formula 2-

di, yvelaze meti mogebuli rbola. amJamad

dan” daimaton germaneli mik Sumaxeri,

orive maTgans 91 gamarjveba aqvs. aRsaniS-

rusi robert Svarcmani, britaneli kalum

navia isic, rom luisma rekordis gameoreailoti

da kidev erTi rusi nikita maze-

ba germaniis gasul gran-prize moaxerxa.

pini.

38

38 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.


habibi

setic ver moigo...

nikoloz basilaSvilma bolos 25 Tebervals moigo da es dubais

turnirze latviel rikardas berankisTan moxda. mas Semdeg Cveneburma

zedized 11 matCi waago, aqedan rva setis mougeblad.

basilaSvils bolo TamaSi venis turniris sakvalifikacio etapis naxevarfinalSi

slovak norbert gombosTan hqonda, romelic reitingSi 104-

e Cogania. qarTveli ki iqac or setSi damarcxda 6:7, 2:6. nikam pirvel

setSi metoqe daabreika da 3:1 dawinaurda, magram Tavisi mowodebac maleve

waago da, sabolood, tai breikze 2:7 daTmo.

angariSidanac Cans, rom Cvenianma metoqes verc meore setSi gauwia

Rirseuli winaaRmdegoba.

erTi lamazi sportuli istoriac dasrulda…

daRestnelma habib nurmagomedovma UFC-Si

zedized 29-e brZola moigo da karieris dasrulebis

Sesaxeb ganacxada. amas ki namdvilad

aravin eloda, iseve rogorc Cempionis reaqcias:

habibi gamarjvebis Semdeg muxlebze daeca,

Tavi xelebSi Cargo da mere qomagebma

pirvelad ixiles daumarcxebeli Cempionis

cremlebi.

saqme is aris, rom es pirveli brZola iyo

mamisa da, imavdroulad, mwvrTnelis gareSe,

romelic ivlisSi koronavirusma imsxverpla.

deda didxans exveweboda habibs, saerTod

aRar eCxuba mamis Tanxlebis gareSe da mxolod

maSin dasTanxmda, roca piroba miiRo,

es bolo brZolaao.

daRestnelma jastin geiji meore raundSi

maxrCobela ileTiT „miaZina”, 10 milioni

dolari gamoimuSava da wavida…

wava serxio?

leo kriStianuze

oTxSabaTs „barselona” „iuventuss” xvdeba. es

CempionTa ligis matCia, sadac, wesiT, leo mesi

da kriStianu ronaldu kvlav unda dapirispirebodnen

erTmaneTs. vaglax, ronaldus korona

virusi sWirs.

am matCis win ki mesis interviu CamoarTves, sadac

misi da ronaldus dapirispirebazec hkiTxes.

„Cemi da kriStianu ronaldus dueli yovel-

Tvis iyo da iqneba gansakuTrebuli, _ Tqva mesim,

_ is samudamod emaxsovrebaT. es dapirispireba

wlobiT grZeldeboda, xolo aseTi maRali donis

wlobiT SenarCuneba ioli ar aris.

Cven orives momTxovni klubebi gvyavda. „reali”

da „barselona” msoflios ori uZlieresi

klubia. mravali wlis ganmavlobaSi Tanabari, da-

Zabuli qiSpoba xalxs samudamod amaxsovrdeba.

N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

xolo Cemi da kriStianus dueli piradad

CvenTvis iyo SesaniSnavi da vfiqrob, xalxi misi

yurebiT did siamovnebas iRebda”.

Semdeg argentinels „barsasa” da „iuves” moaxloebul

Sexvedraze hkiTxes.

„rad unda laparaki, rom rodesac kriStianu

madridSi TamaSobda, Cvens dapirispirebas sxva

elferi hqonda. „barselonasa” da „realis” Sexvedrebi

xom TavisTavad gamorCeulia, magram

rodesac moedanze kriStianu iyo, is damatebiT

datvirTvas iZenda. Tumca es axla ukve warsulia,

Cven ki momavalSi viyurebdiT.

oTxSabaTs SeiZleboda kvlav SevxvedrodiT

erTmaneTs. imedi maqvs, rom mainc gadavikveTebiT.

kriStianus kovidisgan male gamojanmrTelebas

vusurveb”.

yvelaferi iqiT midis, rom madridis „realis” mcveli da kapitani serx-

io ramosi „samefo klubs” datovebs”.

rogorc irkveva, „reals” surs, ramosTan kontraqti kidev erTi wliT

gaagrZelos, xolo Tavad fexburTels orwliani xelSekruleba unda. Tu

mxareebi ver SeTanxmdnen, araa gamoricxuli, ramosma madridi datovos.

Tumca, serxiom oriod dRis win upiratesoba miiRo: France Football-is

mkiTxvelebma ramosi istoriaSi yvela drois saukeTeso mcvelad daasaxe-

les. hoda, cota uxerxulic iqneba, aseTi aRiarebis Semdeg „realma” erTi

wliT gaugrZelos kontraqti.

SegaxsenebT, rom ramosi „sevilias” aRzrdilia, sadac 2003-05 wlebSi

TamaSobda, Semdeg gadavida „realSi”. 34 wlis fexburTelma „realTan”

erTad 22 tituli moigo: xuTi espaneTis Cempionoba, orjer qveynis Tasi da

oTxjer superTasi. ufro xvavrielia misi monagari saerTaSoriso sar-

bielze: oTxi CempionTa liga, sami superTasi da oTxi msoflios saklubo

Cempionati. espaneTis nakrebTan erTad gaxda msoflios Cempioni da orjer

evropirvelobaze imarjva.

39

CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK

kviris horoskopi

verZi

verZisTvis ukeTesia, Tu am kviras mSvidad

da wynarad gaatarebs. daisveneT,

kargad gamoiZineT – axla Tqveni energia,

ra Tqma unda, amowuruli ar aris,

magram Tqveni organizmi mgrZnobiarea infeqciebis

mimarT. yuradReba miaqcieT

Tqvens janmrTelobas da pirveli simptomebis

gamovlenisTanave eqims mimarTeT!

kuro

Tqveni da Tqveni siyvarulisTvis

rTuli periodia – gadamwyveti. savse

mTvareze SeiZleba SexvdeT adamians,

romelic Tavdayira daayenebs Tqvens cxovrebas,

Tqven ki – misas. ase rom, seriozulad

moekideT urTierTobebsa da

simpaTiebs, romlebic am periodSi gaCndeba.

tyupi

sakiTxis finansuri mxare axla Zalian

ar gawuxebT. Tqven ubralod akeTebT

imas, rac unda gaakeToT, xvdebiT, rom Tu

warmatebas miaRwevT, fuli mdinaresaviT

wamova, magram Tu waagebT, Tqveni finansuri

mdgomareoba saxarbielo namdvilad

ar iqneba.

kirCxibi

megobrebTan erTad sasiamovno mogzauroba

SeiZleba daCrdilos ufulobam.

planetebis daZabuli aspeqtebi sxva adamianebis

finansebze damokidebuls

gagxdiT, msgavsi situaciebi ki yovelTvis

gaRizianebT da nerviulobas iwyebT.

lomi

planetebis poziciam SeiZleba faruli

SfoTva da wuxili moggvaroT da Tan

sakmaod Zlieri. gansakuTrebiT didia sakuTari

janmrTelobis mdgomareobis gamo

nerviulobis riski. nu daiwyebT SfoTvas,

yvelaferi kargad iqneba.

qalwuli

kviris pirvel naxevarSi kargi perspeqtivebi

gelodebaT, Tu raime sadavo sakiTze

gsurT naTesavebTan saubari. kviris

meore naxevarSi piradi urTierTobebis,

romantikuli Sexvedrebis gaaqtiurebisTvis

SesaniSnavi periodia.

saswori

planetebi daZabul aspeqts qmnian –

izrdeba moulodneli travmebisa da uecrad

SeuZlod gaxdomis albaToba.

seriozulad miudeqiT yvelafers, rac

Tqvens janmrTelobas exeba – axla es

yvelaze mTavaria.


yovelkvireuli gazeTi gamodis kviraSi

erTxel, samSabaTobiT da vrceldeba

saqarTvelos mTel teritoriaze

yovelkvireuli

gamodis samSabaTobiT fasi 2 lari

pirveli gverdi:

1 sm 2 _ 15 lari, maqsimaluri SekveTa 300 sm 2 ;

meore-mesame gverdebi:

1 sm 2 _ 3 lari;

Sida gverdebi:

1 sm 2 _ 1 lari;

bolos wina gverdi:

1sm 2 _2 lari;

bolo gverdi:

1sm 2 _ 3 lari,

maqsimaluri SekveTa _ mTeli gverdi;

mTliani gverdis saerTo farTobia _

1000 sm 2;

reklama CanarTis saxiT:

A3 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 500 lari;

A4 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 300 lari;

mis.: gudauris 7; 599 19 19 10 (Savlego cixelaSvili)

kviris horoskopi

morieli

eWvianoba, yofil SeyvarebulTan urTierTobis

gawyveta da axal adamianTan Sexvedra

– am periodSi bevri ram SeiZleba

moxdes. igive exeba biznespartniorebTan

urTierTobasac – arsebobs saqmiani SeTanxmebebis

darRvevisa da partniorebis mier

moulodneli gadawyvetilebebis miRebis

didi albaToba.

mSvildosani

SeiZleba inanoT raime naCqarevi gadawyvetilebis

miRebis gamo. gaacnobierebT,

rom Secdoma ukve Cadenilia, ukan ver dabrundebiT,

Sedegi ki ar iqneba iseTi sasixarulo,

rogorsac elodiT. ecadeT, aRar

daubrundeT sakiTxs da imis mixedviT imoqmedoT,

ra realobac Seiqmna.

Txis rqa

am periodSi, planetebis ganlagebis

mixedviT, SesaZlebelia orive varianti: an

Zalian maRla „afrindeT“, an Zlierad

daeceT miwaze, amitom didi sifrTxile

gmarTebT. yuradRebiT moekideT nebismier

macdur winadadebas – mxolod sakuTar

Tavs daeyrdeniT da gaxsovdeT, rom „ufaso

yveli mxolod saTagurSia“.

merwyuli

mixvdebiT, rom namdvili megobrebi

yovelTvis TqvenTan iyvnen da iqnebian da

aucileblad dagiWeren mxars nebismier

rTul situaciaSi. sxvaTa Soris, swored am

adamianebTan urTierToba iqneba axla TqvenTvis

Zalian sasargeblo da dagexmarebaT

isev srulad igrZnoT Tavdajerebuloba,

romelic bolo dros cotaTi SegisustdaT.

Tevzebi

es periodi bevrad met energias da Zalas

SegmatebT, vidre wina kviraSi gqondaT. igrZnobT,

rom Tqveni sxeuli savsea sasicocxlo

ZalebiTa da energiiT. pozitiuri cvlilebebi

sargebels mogitanT. imogzaureT,

daisveneT, iseirneT.

1 aSS dolari

3.2285

1 evro

3.8158

1 girvanqa sterlingi

4.2190

100 rusuli rubli

4.2209

amindi

samSabaTi

oTxSabaTi

xuTSabaTi

paraskevi

SabaTi

kvira

orSabaTi

Tbilisi

20-22 0

17-19 0

19-22 0

20-22 0

21-23 0

20-22 0

17-20 0

quTaisi

28-30 0

25-27 0

27-29 0

23-24 0

25-27 0

22-23 0

20-22 0

baTumi

24-26 0

26-28 0

23-25 0

22-25 0

20-22 0

20-23 0

19-21 0

zugdidi

27-29 0

28-30 0

26-28 0

22-24 0

24-26 0

22-24 0

20-22 0

gori

20-22 0

17-20 0

19-22 0

20-22 0

21-23 0

19-21 0

17-20 0

Telavi

21-24 0

19-21 0

20-23 0

22-24 0

23-25 0

21-23 0

20-22 0

foTi

25-27 0

26-28 0

23-25 0

22-24 0

21-24 0

20-22 0

19-21 0

40

saredaqcio kolegia

yvela ufleba daculia;

`qronika+~-Si gamoqveynebuli

masalebis nebismieri saxiT

gamoyeneba da gavrceleba

redaqciasTan SeuTanxmeblad

akrZalulia!

gazeTSi R niSniT gamoqveynebul

masalebs aqvT sareklamo

xasiaTi; maTSi gamoxatuli pozicia

SeiZleba ar daemTxves

redaqciis Sexedulebas.

mTavari redaqtori eliso kilaZe (599 17 12 12)

marsagiSvili Sorena 599 92 16 22

rostiaSvili Tamar 577 10 07 06

SatakiSvili rezo 597 94 42 50

mosiaSvili maka 599 97 25 55

injgia nene 591 71 39 98

sakaruli giorgi 555 42 42 81

qemokliZe levan 593 16 01 40

mamulaZe xviCa 598 41 12 26

deviZe daviT

stilisti rusudan quTaTelaZe;

redaqciis misamarTi:

Tbilisi, gudauris N3,

pirveli sarTuli, bina 4;

tel.: 294 69 77;

sareklamo ganyofileba,

gavrcelebis samsaxuri

Savlego cixelaSvili 599 19 19 10

gazeTi ibeWdeba stambaSi `tori~

ISSN 2346-8025

294 69 77;

qronikaqronika@gmail.com

40 N26 (328) 27.10-.2.11.2020 w.

qronika+26(328)

You also want an ePaper? Increase the reach of your titles

Delete template?

Save as template?