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gamodis samSabaTobiT N28 (330) 10.11

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fasi 2 lari

gia xuxaSvili:

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`gardauvali

riggareSe

arCevnebi

gviwevs!~

Tavdacvis saministros

lojistikis

departamenti

ivaniSvilis winaaRmdeg!

daabruneT

moparuli

eqskluzivi

msoflio qarTveli

gamomgoneblis mier

Seqmnili pirbadeebiT

momaragdeba?

arCevnebi

!

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gv. 10

anzor melia:

`sanam

pirSi suli

midgas,

bolomde

vibrZoleb!~

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Tako Carkviani:

ès gayalbebebi

Cveulebrivi

sisxlis

samarTlis

danaSaulia!~

gv. 6

murman dumbaZe:

`biZina

ivaniSvils

unda, rom

revoluciiT

gaagdon~

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`gardauvali riggareSe

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vdgavarT, roca xelisuflebis

legitimuroba eWvqveS dgas. opo-

zicia parlamentSi Sesvlaze uars acxadebs da quCis protests

mimarTavs. politikuri krizisis garda qveyanaSi ekonomikuri

da epidemiologiuri krizisia. procesebi yvela mimarTulebiT

CixSia. am viTarebaSi ki kidev erTxel vrwmundebiT, rom: „didi

Zma gvismens”, „nacionaluri moZraobis” deputat salome sa-

madaSvils piradi Canawerebi gauvrceles, samTavrobo media

ki am Canawerebs avrcelebs da „logikuri” daskvnebis gakeTe-

bas cdilobs. rogorc politologi gia xuxaSvili „qronika+~-

sTan acxadebs: „roca amas aqveyneb, Sen media aRar xar, Sen

xar propagandistuli instrumenti, romelic nebismier raRa-

caze xar xelismomweri, rom raRac Sedegi aCveno Sens pa-

trons”, _ orjer ori oTxia da es sityvebi zustad asaxavs am

mocemulobas. garda amisa, „qarTuli ocneba” ise gaixrwna,

aRar malavs, rom gvismenen, gviTvalTvaleben da sabolood

yvelaferze wamsvlelebi arian.

ras emsaxureba am tipis Canawerebis

gavrceleba? ramdenad

sworad moqmedebs opozi-

cia da ra samoqmedo gegmas

sTavazobs igi opoziciur spe-

qtrs? _ politologi gia xux-

aSvili am da sxva aqtualuri

Temebis Sesaxeb „qronika+~-s

esaubra:

_ batono gia, interviu daviwyoT

31 oqtombris Sefase-

biT, opoziciisgan gvesmis, rom

es iyo ivaniSvilis mier Cata-

rebuli specoperacia, xolo

euTo-odiri da amerikis See-

rTebuli Statebis saelCo

acxadebs, rom arCevnebi Ziri-

Tadi Tavisuflebebis dacviT

Catarda. Tqven rogor Seaf-

asebT arCevnebis dRes?

_ es ori sxvadasxva mosazreba

maincdamainc ar ewinaaRmdegeba

erTmaneTs. garkveulwilad

ZiriTadi fundamenturi uflebebi

daculi iyo, magram es Sefaseba

TavisTavad ar gulisxmobs

imas, rom ar iyo karuselebi,

ar aris, minimum, uxarisxod

Sedgenili oqmebi da gaugebari

Sesworebis oqmebi. Cven axla

varT procesSi, rodesac yvela

Sefaseba daiwmindeba, daiwureba

da imedia, es dramatizmic

nel-nela ukana planze gadaiwevs.

dReis mdgomareobiT aravis

eWvi ar epareba, rom arCevnebze

iyo gayalbeba da sxvadasxva

tipis mamaZaRloba. xelisuflebam,

faqtobrivad, yvela mankieri

teqnologia gamoiyena, rac

uaxlesi istoriis ganmavloba-

Si dagrovda. sinamdvileSi, Tvi-

Ton axali araferi gamougonia,

man gamoiyena is, rac mis winamorbedebs

daugrovdaT arCevnebTan

dakavSirebiT Zalauflebis

borotad gamoyenebis procesSi.

rac ufro dro gadis, ra

Tqma unda, gamocdileba izrdeba

da, Sesabamisad, masStabebic

ufro msxvili xdeba. dReis

mdgomareobiT mTavari kiTxvaa:

am gayalbebebma ramdenad Secvala

arsebiTad arCevnebis Sedegi,

anu moxda Tu ara Zalauflebis

uzurpacia? am politikuri

krizisis fonze absoluturad

gaugebaria xelisuflebis pozicia,

romelic, erTi mxriv, ambobs,

rom yvelaferi wesrigSi

iyo da maT Caatares Zalian kargi

arCevnebi, magram, amasTanave,

uars acxadebs gadaTvlaze, ra

moTxovnac dgas opoziciis mxridan.

xelisuflebis es pozicia

maT damajereblobas aklebs da

eWvebs kidev ufro aZlierebs,

radgan Tu yvelaferi wesrgSi

gaqvs, viRac rom geubneba, ra-

Rac mopare da jibeSi gidevs, am

dros unda aCveno, ra gidevs

jibeSi. rom ar aCveneb, bunebrivia,

Cndeba safuZvliani eWvi,

rom marTla Sen xar momparavi.

xelisuflebas Tavidanve rom

konstruqciuli midgoma hqonoda

da eTqva, Tu ramis naxva da

gadamowmeba gindaT, gadavamowmoTo,

es problemac ver Seiqmneboda

da opozicias ar eqneboda

imis safuZveli, rom ase

„gaexurebina” politikuri vi-

Tareba. samwuxarod, axla varT

garkveul Cixur mdgomareobaSi,

rodesac xelisufleba cdilobs,

ZaliT gadatexos yvelaferi

da amisTvis, samwuxarod,

yvela mankier instruments iyenebs,

rac mis xelT aris dagrovili

da opoziciac ar apirebs

am mxriv daTmobas. axla varT

krizisul viTarebaSi, saidanac,

jerjerobiT, gamosavali ar

Cans, magram imedi maqvs, rom,

saboloo jamSi, raRac gamosavali

moiZebneba.

_ am arCevnebze gansakuTre-

biT did eWvebs aCens ceskos

muSaoba, romelmac ver/ar

daTvala xmebi. iseTi tragiko-

mikuri realoba miviReT, roca

arsebobs Sesworebis oqmi, Ses-

worebis, Sesworebis oqmi da

Sesworebis, Sesworebis, Ses-

worebis oqmi. Tavad cesko da

mmarTveli gundi amas adamianuri

SecdomebiT xsnian. ramdenad

gamodgeba maTi argumen-

tebi am nawilSi?

_ pirdapir getyviT, maTi argumentebi

tragikomikuria. Tu

aseT masobriv adamianur SecdomasTan

gvaqvs saqme, am SemTxvevaSi,

minimum, am arakvalificiurad

momzadebul kadrebze

da aseT arajansaR sistemaze

centraluri saarCevno komisiis

Tavmjdomarem pasuxismgebloba

unda aiRos da gadadges.

davuSvaT, ar gauyalbebiaT, ma-

gia xuxaSvili:

`faqtia: amomrCevlis

52%-ma xelisuflebis

winaaRmdeg misca xma

da umravlesobas

`qarTuli ocneba~

ar unda~

gram didi bodiSi, is adamianebi,

romlebmac ariTmetika ar

ician, masobrivad rom daiqirave

am procesis warsamarTavad,

mxolod amitom xar pasuxismgebeli

yvelafer amaze. Tundac

mxolod adamianuri faqtori

rom yofiliyo, ratom gaCnda es

faqtori? ratom daiqiraves

adamianebi, romlebmac Tvla da

oqmis dawera ar ician? anu Sen

ver Seasrule saTanadod Seni

movaleoba, rac gaxldaT is,

rom unda Segeqmna kvalificiuri

sistema, romelic am yvelafers

saTanado doneze moemsaxureboda

da es ver moaxerxa,

magram ar midis.

_ ratom ar tovebs Tamar

Jvania Tanamdebobas ? pasux-

ismgeblobas ver grZnobs Tu

misi wasvla mxolod masze ar

aris damokidebuli?

_ ar midis, radgan am nawil-

Sic safuZvliani eWvia, rom saarCevno

komisia ar aris uflebamosili

saerTod araferze,

maT Soris, arc gadawyvetilebis

miRebaze da arc xmebis daTvlaze.

mTlianad politikur vertikalSi

imyofeba da politikuri

diqtatis qveS muSaobs.

Tamar Jvanias SesaZloa, unda

kidec Tanamdebobidan wasvla,

magram eubnebian, rom es misi

gadasawyveti ar aris da amaze

pasuxismgebloba Tu aiRo, bolomde

unda miiyvanos, anu unda

uzrunvelyos Zalauflebis mdgradoba.

ase rom, Zalian rTuli

viTarebaa. aSS-Si mcire eWvi

rom gaCnda jorjiis StatSi,

Tavidan daiwyes gadaTvla da

patiosnad dganan da iTvlian.

wesieri xelisufleba aseT Sem-

TxvevaSi swored ase iqceva da

Tu ar iTvlis, e. i. problemaa

da raRac namamaZaRlari aqvs.

_ eqspertTa erTi jgufi

fiqrobs, opoziciis mxridan

sabotaJis mcdeloba iyoo. am

tipis gancxadebebs aqvs Tu ara

safuZveli da ras emsaxureba

am mosazrebis gavrceleba?

_ es angaJirebuli gancxadebebia.

davuSvaT, rom opozicias

`Tu aseT masobriv adamianur SecdomasTan

gvaqvs saqme, am SemTxvevaSi, minimum, am

arakvalificiurad momzadebul kadrebze da

aseT arajansaR sistemaze centraluri

saarCevno komisiis Tavmjdomarem

pasuxismgebloba unda aiRos da gadadges~

marTla SeuZlia aseTi ramis

gakeTeba, maSin miT umetes ar

unda datovo aseTi xelisufleba

saTaveSi. xelisuflebis

xelSia Zalovani sistema, specsamsaxurebi,

saarCevno komisiis

umravlesoba, yvelgan da yvelaferSi

isini arian, am dros ki

viRac gverdidan raRac sistemur

sabotaJs uwyobs. e. i. xelisuflebas

ar SeuZlia muSaoba

da saxlSi unda wavides. vfiqrob,

rom eqspertebis es gancxadebebi

xelisuflebisTvisvea

Seuracxmyofeli. qveyanas susti

xelisufleba unda, susti

xelisufleba aranakleb saxifaToa,

vidre _ naZirala.

_ arCevnebamde opozicia

gvarwmunebda, rom yvelafers

gaakeTebda xmebis dasacavad.

faqtia, rom arCevnebis dRes

opoziciam ver daicva amomrCe-

vlis xmebi. am nawilSi xedavT

Tu ara opoziciis pasuxismge-

blobis sakiTxs?

_ Cven xom welSi gamoyvanili

opozicia ar gvyavs. garda

amisa, opozicia ekleqturia da

aseTic unda iyos. es ar aris

erTi partia, rom disciplinaze

visaubroT, SigniT Zalian seriozuli

winaaRmdegobebia, Cven

ar unda dagvaviwydes, rom isini,

saboloo jamSi, erTmaneTis

konkurentebi arian. maT aqvT

Tematuri TanamSromloba, magram

es imas ar niSnavs, rom

yvelas ar aqvs sakuTari interesi.

garda amisa, sustebi arian

da Secdomebsac bevrs uSveben,

viciT Cven es. Cven mxolod xelisuflebis

problema ar gvaqvs,

qveyanaSi mTlianad politikuri

elitis problema dgas.

sazogadoebam ver moaxdina ise-

Ti politikuri landSaftis generireba,

romelic mosaxleobis

ZiriTad fundamentur problemebs

pasuxobs. opozicias Zalian

ver gavamtyunebT, rodesac

saarCevno komisiaSi absoluturi

umravlesoba, praqtikulad,

erTi partiis warmomadgenelia

da miT umetes, milionnai-

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arCevnebi gviwevs!~

ri specmeTodi gamoiyeneba; aseve

nu gamovricxavT imasac, rom

opozicioner komisiis wevrebze

zewola an mosyidva iyo. bevri

meqanizmi arsebobs, gansakuTrebiT

regionebsa da soflebSi.

roca Zalian giWirs, rTulia

gauZlo cdunebas. ase rom, Zneli

samarTavia, miT umetes, roca

yvela resursi xelisuflebas

aqvs. wnexi Zalian Zlieria,

Sesabamisad, amis gamklaveba martivi

amocana ar aris. ver vityvi,

rom Seusrulebadia, magram

aseTia Cveni politikuri

elita. opozicia raRac sakiTxebSi

erTiania, magram sakmaod

daqsaqsulia da yvelas mainc

sakuTari interesi aqvs.

_ arCevnebamde ramdenime

TviT adre premier gaxariam

saparlamento tribunidan mimarTa

„nacionalur moZraobas”:

„Tqven xarT quCis opozicia

da arCevnebis Semdeg da-

gasrulebT”. gaxarias am mimar-

Tvis pirveli nawili axda, „nacionaluri

moZraoba”, sxva op-

oziciur partiebTan erTad,

quCaSia. ramdenad sworia maTi

es taqtika, rom quCis protests

mimarTaven da ar cdiloben

saparlamento saqmianobis

farglebSi gamoiyenon Ta-

vianTi uflebebi arCevnebis

Sedegebis gadasamowmeblad?

_ gaxariasTvis aradamaxasiaTebelia

es frazebi da me Zalian

mwyins, rom is igive ritorikiT

cdilobs saubars, rogorc

_ kobaxiZe da sxvebi. Tumca

mgonia, rom is ufro realisturad

afasebs yvelafers.

SesaZloa, CemTvis miuRebeli

iyos „nacionaluri moZraoba”

dRes, magram mocemuloba ase-

Tia, Tundac, mamaZaRlurad

daTvlili arCevnebis Sedegebi

sxva rameze metyvelebs. „nacionalur

moZraobas” xalxSi seriozuli

mxardaWera aqvs. rodesac

mas agresiulad mimarTav,

Seuracxyof ara mxolod mas,

aramed am qveynis amomrCevlis

26%-s. visac pretenzia aqvs qveynis

liderobaze, is gamaerTianebeli

unda iyos. ar unda yofdes

adamianebs „qocad” da „nacad”.

ar SeiZleba gamodiodes,

principiT: „vinc, CemTan ar aris

Cemi mteria” da Seuracxyofdes

amomrCevels.

jo baidenis ramdenime dRis

winandeli gancxadebidan fragments

moviyvan. man Tqva: „me ar

N28 (330) 10.11-16.11.2020 w.

`safuZvliani eWvia, rom saarCevno komisia ar

aris uflebamosili saerTod araferze, maT

Soris, arc gadawyvetilebis miRebaze da arc

xmebis daTvlaze. mTlianad politikur

vertikalSi imyofeba da politikuri diqtatis

qveS muSaobs. Tamar Jvanias SesaZloa, unda

kidec Tanamdebobidan wasvla, magram

eubnebian, rom es misi gadasawyveti ar aris

da amaze pasuxismgebloba Tu aiRo, bolomde

unda miiyvanos, anu unda uzrunvelyos

Zalauflebis mdgradoba~

viqnebi wiTlebis an lurjebis

prezidenti, me viqnebi aSS-is

prezidenti”. Tu Sen pretenzia

gaqvs, rom iyo xelisufali,

pativi unda sce ara mxolod imaT,

vinc mxars giWers, aramed

imaTac, vinc Seni winaaRmdegia.

miT umetes, rom xelisuflebas

`gaxariasTvis aradamaxasiaTebelia es frazebi

da me Zalian mwyins, rom is igive ritorikiT

cdilobs saubars, rogorc - kobaxiZe da

sxvebi. Tumca mgonia, rom is ufro

realisturad afasebs yvelafers. SesaZloa,

CemTvis miuRebeli iyos `nacionaluri

moZraoba~ dRes, magram mocemuloba aseTia,

Tundac, mamaZaRlurad daTvlili arCevnebis

Sedegebi sxva rameze metyvelebs~

saamayo araferi aqvs. mas unda

axsovdes, rom amomrCevlis

52%-ma am gamamaZaRlebuli SedegebiTac

ki maT winaaRmdeg misca

xma da es xalxi Tu yvela

„nacia”, maSin gamodis, rom „nacebs”

mougiaT arCevnebi. am SemTxvevaSi

proporciuli arCevnebi

maqvs mxedvelobaSi, radgan

proporciulSi Cans sazogadoebis

ganwyoba. proporciulad

„qarTulma ocnebam” 48% miiRo,

mis winaaRmdeg ki umravlesobam,

52%-ma misca xma, Sesabamisad,

es gonori cota unda daiokon,

ase ver marTaven qveyanas

da axlac rom ver marTaven,

sruliad cxadia. Cven gardauvali

riggareSe arCevnebi gviwevs.

rac Seexeba opoziciis taqtikas,

vfiqrob, orive gzas aqvs

arsebobis ufleba: rogorc

taqtikur svlas, presings da am

presingis fonze xelisuflebis

iZulebas, rom gadaTvalon xmebi

da yvela is valdebuleba Seasrulon,

rac politikuri krizisis

gansamuxtavad unda gaakeTon.

am svlis winaaRmdegi ar

var, Tumca opozicias paralelurad

sWirdeba meti argumenti,

anu unda daasistemos Tavisi

pretenziebi ara mxolod epizodurad

erTi an ori olqis

SemTxvevaSi, rom emociuri gamotyorcnebi

moxdes, aramed yvela

darRveva unda daasistemos,

dados erTi didi seriozuli

daskvna, romelic sazogadoebasa

da ucxoel partniorebs

unda aCvenos, rom gayalbebis

masStabma arsebiTad Secvala

arCevnebis Sedegebi. imedi maqvs,

paralelurad amazec muSaoben

da mxolod quCaSi ar dganan.

_ 2008 wels opoziciam boi-

koti gamoucxada arCevnebis

Sedegebs, quCis protests mimarTa,

Tumca opoziciuri er-

Toba dairRva da didi nawili

parlamentSi dabrunda. Sesa-

Zloa, es scenari ganmeordes?

_ verafers gamovricxavT,

Tumca maSindelisgan gansxvavebiT

axla opozicia, romelic

erTad aprotestebs da opoziciis

is nawili, romelsac amaT-

Tan aranairi urTierToba ar

aqvs, igive „patriotTa aliansi”

da sxvebi, yvela erTxmad acxadebs

boikots. faqtobrivad, xelisuflebas

dRes mokavSire ar

hyavs, araTu politikur elita-

Si, aramed samoqalaqo sazogadoebaSic.

TavianTi propagandistebi

hyavT, romlebic xelisuflebis

sasargeblod raRacas

amboben, magram suraTs ver

qmnian. rom SexedoT, xelisuflebam

absoluturi sterilizacia

ganicada, bunkerSi aris

Casuli da iqidan cdilobs yvelafris

ZaliT gadatexas. komunikacia

ar aqvT arc erTi mimarTulebiT

da aravisTan. axla

xelisufleba yvelanairad ecdeba

opoziciaSi disonansis Setanas,

faruli Canawerebis gavrcelebac

amaze metyvelebs. rac

salome samadaSvilTan dakavSirebiT

gaakeTes, es aris Zalian

binZuri meTodi. am SemogdebebiT

maT undaT SigniT daZabulobis

kerebi Seqmnan, viRacebi

erTmaneTs daupirispiron da es

monoliTi gaglijon.

_ motivi gasagebia, magram

ra Sedegi eqneba maT am nabijs

da maTive saziano aRmoCndeba

Tu ara am tipis binZuri me-

TodebiT brZola?

_ Cemi gamocdileba aCvenebs,

rom es meTodebi ukuSedegs

iZleva. 2012 wlis arCevnebis win

Cemi Canawerebi „rusTavi 2-isa”

da „imedis” saSualebiT gaavrceles,

sadac ojaxis wevrebs

vesaubrebodi, magaliTad, gia

volskize da sxva pirebze, ubralod,

Cems azrs gamovTqvamdi.

farulad rom mismendnen, es

erTia, magram es yvelaferi, rasac

Cems ojaxSi vsaubrobdi,

televiziebiT daatriales. es

aris degradaciis umaRlesi

xarisxi. salome samadaSvilTan

dakavSirebiT igive raRac gaakeTes,

axlobelTan saubris

gasajaroeba fskerze fskeria.

amaze qvemoT dacema, ubralod,

SeuZlebelia. rac mTavaria, es

ara mxolod maTi, aramed im

mediis problemaa, romelic amas

avrcelebs da aqedan daskvnebs

akeTebs, rac imas amtkicebs,

rom mediac fskerzea. adamiani

saxlSi axlobels rom

elaparakeba, faqtobrivad, Woraoben

da amas rom aqveyneb, Sen

media aRar xar, Sen xar propagandistuli

instrumenti, romelic

nebismier raRacaze xar

xelismomweri, rom raRac Sedegi

aCveno Sens patrons.

_ garda politikuri kriz-

isisa, qveyanaSi ekonomikuri da

epidemiologiuri krizisia. am

yvelafris gaTvaliswinebiT ra

SesaZlo scenariT SeiZleba

ganviTardes movlenebi?

_ es yvelaferi kumulaciur

efeqts iZleva, xelisuflebas

Zalian seriozuli problemebi

aqvs, is SeiZleba fiqrobs, rom

am politikur kriziss gadatexs,

magram mxolod politikuri

krizisis problema ar aqvs.

mas seriozuli problemebi aqvs

pandemiis marTvasTan, anu sikvdilis

SiSTan dakavSirebiT da

aseve socialur-ekonomikuri

riskebis Sesaxeb useriozulesi

sirTuleebi.

gagrZeleba meoTxe gv.

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`gardauvali riggareSe arCevnebi gviwevs!~

mesame gverdidan

`nacionalur moZraobas~ xalxSi seriozuli

mxardaWera aqvs. rodesac mas agresiulad

mimarTav, Seuracxyof ara mxolod mas, aramed

am qveynis amomrCevlis 26%-s. visac pretenzia

aqvs qveynis liderobaze, is gamaerTianebeli

unda iyos. ar unda yofdes adamianebs `qocad~

da `nacad~. ar SeiZleba gamodiodes, principiT:

`vinc, CemTan ar aris Cemi mteria~ da

Seuracxyofdes amomrCevels~

- am mimarTulebiT pozitiuri

dRis wesrigi ar aqvT, es

yvelaferi kumulaciur efeqts

iZleva, amitom vambob, rom parlamentSi

Seva Tu ar Seva opozicia,

riggareSe arCevnebi gardauvalia.

Cven am riskebs mxolod

politikur prizmaSi ar

gavxedavT da saxelmwifoebrivad

SevxedavT. me mainc varCev

opoziciis parlamentSi Sesvlas

da krizisis parlamentis

kedlebSi formirebas da ara _

quCaSi.

_ konkretulad ra gegmas

gulisxmobT?

_ gegma Zalian martivia: dRevandeli

kanonmdeblobiT saparlamento

sagamoZiebo komisiis

Seqmnas 1/3 sWirdeba, rac opozicias

aqvs, opozicia Sedis parlamentSi,

pirvelive dRes qmnis

arCevnebis Semswavlel saparlamento

sagamoZiebo komisias,

romelsac, mogexsenebaT, Zalian

farTo uflebebi aqvs da iwyebs

sajaro dakiTxvebs, Tamar Jvaniadan

dawyebuli, saolqoebis

xelmZRvanelebiT, CarTuli specsamsaxurebiTa

da adgilobrivi

TviTmmarTvelobiT dasrulebuli

_ sajaro did sagamoZiebo

process iwyebs, ris Sedegadac

daideba daskvna da Tu am

daskvnaSi gamoikveTa sistemuri

gayalbebis niSnebi, risi albaTobac

sakmaod maRalia, am racionaluri,

dokumenturad dasabuTebuli

grZeli procesis

Sedegad, acxadebs, rom Zalaufleba

uzurpirebulia. amis Semdeg

SeuZliaT, protestis radikalur

formebs mimarTon an

gamovidnen parlamentidan an

parlamentis SigniT aiZulon

xelisufleba, rom dainiSnos

riggareSe arCevnebi. mTavaria,

rom es daskvna daidos da TviTon

procesSi gamovlindeba bevri

ram. magaliTad, rogorc ki

sagamoZiebo komisia daiwyebs

muSaobas, maT aqvT sruli legitimuri

ufleba, prokuraturas

mosTxovon ramdenime sisxlis

samarTlis saqmis aRZvra,

magaliTad, im komisiis Tavmjdomareze,

sadac ricxvi er-

Tiani oTxinad iyo gadakeTebuli,

_ es aris sisxlis samarTlis

danaSauli. sagamoZiebo komisia

mimarTavs prokuraturas,

rom sisxlis samarTlis saqme

aRiZras da, Sesabamisad, damna-

Save daisajos.

meore: ganvixiloT epizodi,

roca opoziciis warmomadgenlebi

oqmis koreqtirebis dros

ar miiyvanes da maTi xelmowerebi

gaayalbes _ esec sisxlis

samarTlis danaSaulia, anu daiwyeba

erTi didi procesi, daideba

dokumenturad dasabuTebuli,

CvenebebiT gamagrebuli faqtebi.

rac mTavaria, Cven am yvelafers

onlain vnaxavT, es procesi

2-3 Tve, gazafxulamde

gastans. es aris gadavadebuli

krizisi, ufro racionalurad

kargad SefuTuli da kompetenturad

gakeTebuli safuZvliT.

garda amisa, zamTarSi xelisuflebas

uzarmazari problemebi

eqmneba igive socialur-ekonomikur

sakiTxebTan da panedemiis

marTvasTan dakavSirebiT,

_ iseTi foni Seiqmneba, rom,

maRali albaTobiT, Zalian bevri

deputati umravlesobidan,

Tavis gadarCenis mizniT, gadabargdeba

opoziciaSi. anu parlamentis

SigniT moxdeba bunebrivi

gadanawileba. ase rom,

ès yvelaferi kumulaciur efeqts iZleva,

xelisuflebas Zalian seriozuli problemebi

aqvs, is SeiZleba fiqrobs, rom am politikur

kriziss gadatexs, magram mxolod politikuri

krizisis problema ar aqvs. mas seriozuli

problemebi aqvs pandemiis marTvasTan, anu

sikvdilis SiSTan dakavSirebiT da aseve

socialur-ekonomikuri riskebis Sesaxeb

useriozulesi sirTuleebi~

pandemiisa da socialur-ekonomikuri

problemebis gamo, vfiqrob,

es gza umjobesi iqneboda,

Tumca aqciebis winaaRmdegi

ar var. rogorc taqtikuri nabiji

aseTi protestis forma

SesaZloa, gamoyenebuli iyos.

Tu opozicia, raRac etapze,

ufro saparlamento krizisis

genereciis gegmaze gadava,

vfiqrob, ukeTesi iqneba, Tumca

maTi gadasawyvetia. Tu isini

darwmunebulebi arian, rom yvelanairi

komisiis gareSe sakmariss

mtkicebulebebs dadeben,

riTac ara emociurad,

aramed racionaluri argumentebiT

daamtkiceben yvelafers,

es gzac ganxilvadia, Tumca

metad sariskoa saxelmwifoebrivi

gagebis kuTxiT.

_ Tqven mier ganxiluli geg-

ma absoluturad gasagebia,

Tanmimdevruli da logikuria,

Tumca opozicia am gzas ar ir-

Cevs. ratom riskaven? revolu-

ciuri scenaris imedi aqvT?

_ viRac SeiZleba revoluciazec

fiqrobs, magram mas

unda esmodes, rom yvela opoziciur

partias ver gaiyoleben,

radgan iq arian partiebi da

Zalebi, romlebic revoluciur

scenarze arc erT SemTxvevaSi

ar wavlen. am revoluciuri,

radikaluri gziT isini zians

miayeneben am erTianobas da riskis

qveS daayeneben yvelafers.

erTaderTi argumenti, rac

dRes partiebs parlamentSi ar-

Sesvlaze aqvT aris: maTi amomrCeveli

sisusteSi CauTvlis

imas, rom xmebi ver daicves, veraferi

gaakeTes da parlamentSi

Sevidnen. SesaZloa, amomrCeveli

emociurad gabrazdes,

magram es moklevadiani gabrazeba

iqneba, radgan is amomrCeveli,

romelsac SeiZleba

dRes guli dawydes, rom xma

misca viRacas, romelmac es xmebi

ver daicva da parlamentSic

Sevida, es amomrCeveli isev Seicvlis

am azrs mas Semdeg, rac

dainaxavs am komisiis sajaro da

efeqtian muSaobas. ase rom, Sei-

Zleba, dRes maT mouwioT garkveuli

Sewirvis gakeTeba, magram

grZelvadiani TvalsazrisiT

partia mainc mogebulia. ase

rom, opozicias dRes amomrCevlis

imedgacruebis nu SeeSindeba,

es amomrCeveli ukan motrialdeba.

amitom zemoT ganxiluli

gzisken vixrebi, Tumca orive

gza ganxilvadad mimaCnia.

mTavaria, „naban wyals bavSvi ar

gadavayoloT” da xelisuflebas

ar SevuqmnaT imis safuZveli,

rom man yvela Tavisi problema

opozicias gadaabralos,

rogorc ukve daiwyes warmoudgeneli

ritorika, rom Turme

pandemiac opoziciis brali yofila,

arCevnebic opozicias gauyalbebia

da lari rom garbis,

esec opoziciis bralia. e. i. yvelaferi

opoziciis bralia (icinis)

da, Turme, TviTon xelisufleba

TeTri da fuSfuSaa.

_ opoziciis mier arCeuli

quCis protesti pandemiis

fonze xelisuflebas aZlevs

imis Tqmis safuZvels, rom

opozicia pasuxismgeblobiT ar

ekideba mosaxleobis janmrTe-

lobas? es Tema iqneba Tu ara

xelisuflebis xelSi erTgvari

iaraRi, riTac SeZlebs pro-

testis ganeitralebas?

_ Zalian susti iaraRi iqneba.

xelisuflebas unda esmodes:

mas imitom hqvia xelisufleba,

rom, saboloo jamSi, yvelaferze

is aris pasuxismgebeli. xelisufali

roca xar, valdebuleba

gaqvs, daicva moqalaqeebis

janmrTeloba, keTildReoba

da usafrTxoeba. is argumenti,

rom maT amis gakeTeba undaT

da opozicia saSualebas ar

aZlevs, ar gamodgeba, radgan

Tu asea, e. i. xelisufleba sakuTar

movaleobas ver asrulebs

da raze aqvs pretenzia? _ aseT

SemTxvevaSi unda wavides. xelisuflebis

mxridan viRacisken

xelis gaSvera komikuria. rogor

SeiZleba warmovidginoT,

rom xelisufleba Tavis movaleobas

ver asrulebs, radgan

viRac xels uSlis? Tu ver asrulebs,

maSin unda datovos xelisufleba

_ Zalian martivadaa

saqme. saboloo jamSi, faqtia,

rom amomrCevlis 52%-ma xelisuflebis

winaaRmdeg misca

xma da umravlesobas „qarTuli

ocneba” ar unda. xelisuflebis

legitimuroba eWvqveS dgas.

4 N28 (330) 10.11-16.11.2020 w.

faruli molaparakebebis paralelurad

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebma

Riadac SesTavazes

opozicias dialogi. pirveli gancxadeba

jandacvis ministrs gaakeTebines,

romelsac, wesiT, amis-

Tvis ar unda ecalos da koronapandemiisTvis

jandacvis sistemas

amzadebdes.

rogorc „qronika+”-isTvis

cnobili gaxda, xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebi mxolod bariergadalaxul

partiebs ar sTavazoben

gemriel lukmas, isini parlaments

miRma darCenilebsac

mouwodeben arCevnebis Sedegebis

aRiarebisken. hpirdebian, rom

gazafxulze riggareSe arCevnebi

iqneba da maT aucileblad gadaalaxvineben

bariers.

sxvebTan erTad aseTi SeTavazeba

miiRo nino burjanaZem. aRsaniSnavia,

rom mas ivaniSvilma

Sikrikebi gasul welsac gaugzavna.

roca „amboxebulma” deputatebma

sakonstitucio cvlileba

Caagdes, opoziciam aqciebi daiwyo

da erT magidasTan dasxda. maSin

„erTian saqarTvelo _ demokratiul

moZraobas” Sehpirdnen, rom

Tu opozicias ganudgeboda, partiasac

daafinansebdnen da parlamentSi

moxvedraSic daexmarebodnen.

analogiuri SeTavazeba miiRes

sxva partiebmac.

opoziciis sasaxelod unda

iTqvas, rom maSin isini „qarTuli

ocnebis” gadmogdebul ankess ar

wamoegnen. erTmaneTTan arsebuli

dapirispirebis miuxedavad raRacnairad

bolomde SeZles erTobis

SenarCuneba. gayalbebulma arCevnebma

ki isini erTmaneTTan ufro

daaxlova.

gaerTianebuli opozicia ivaniSvilis

interesebSi arasdros

Sedioda. am viTarebaSi aseTi er-

Toba misTvis katastrofaa. opozicia

acxadebs, rom isini parlamentSi

ar Sevlen da ivaniSvils

marto datoveben. amas dasavleTi

ar moiwonebs. dasavleTis gadakideba

mTavari meocnebis interesebSi

ar Sedis. miT umetes, axla,

roca oligarqebi erTmaneTis miyolebiT

midian xelisuflebidan.

oligarqs amerikamac uari uTxra.

mdidarma amerikelebmac gaacnobieres,

rom qveynis saTaveSi miliarderi

ar unda iyos.

aRsaniSnavia, rom ivaniSvili

did imedebs amyarebda aSS-is saprezidento

arCevnebze. mas imedi

hqonda, rom trampi gaimarjvebda,

magram amerikelebma sxva arCevani

gaakeTes. jo baideni ruseTis mimarT

trampis msgavsad loialurad

araa ganwyobili da arc rusi

oligarqebi exateba gulze. amerikeli

kongresmenebi ivaniSvils

Riad uwodeben russ oligarqs da

putinis interesebis gamtarebels.

baideni prezidentis movaleobis

Sesrulebas momavali wlis


aris Tu ara irakli kobaxiZe `nacebis~ Canergili?

irakli kobaxiZisa da misnaire-

Sorena marsagiSvili

bis wyalobiT „qarTuli ocneba”

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magar SarSia. marTalia, opozici-

is siZlieres ar aRiareben, magram

yvelafers akeTeben maTTan mosalaparakeblad. biZina ivaniSvilis

Sikrikebi opoziciis liderebs partizanulad ekontaqtebian

da parlamentSi Sesvlis sanacvlod sxvadasxva jil-

dosa da privilegias sTavazoben. am faruli molaparakebebis

Sesaxeb „qarTuli ocnebis” saxed qceul irakli kobaxiZesac

dausves kiTxva. man es informacia uaryo. amasTan, man opozi-

ciasTan dialogis saWiroebazec isaubra.

ras sTavazobs

ivaniSvili

opozicias

parlametSi

Sesvlis

sanacvlod?

ianvridan Seudgeba. manamde didi

droa da bevri rame SeiZleba

moxdes. ivaniSvili imeds ar kargavs,

rom opozicias parlamentSi

Seityuebs.

rogorc „qronika+~-s xelisuflebasTan

daaxloebulma wyarom

acnoba, ivaniSvilma opoziciasTan

vaWroba daiwyo. pirveli Sikriki

„girCs” gaugzavna. „girCTan” dasalageblad

paliko kublaSvili

mivida. es is palikoa, romelmac

zurab jafariZesTan da goga xaCiZesTan

erTad pirvelma datova

„nacionaluri moZraoba”. molaparakebebs

oficialurad arc erTi

mxare ar adasturebs. „girCis”

lideri zurab jafariZe xmamaRla

acxadebs, rom partia parlamentSi

ar Seva. misi Tanapartieli iago

xviCia ki acxadebs, rom opozicia

parlamentSi unda Sevides da

iqidan gaagrZelos brZola.

Cveni wyaros informaciiT, xvi-

Cias gancxadebebiT „girCi” sazogadoebis

azris Seswavlas cdilobs.

„ocnebaSi” isic gviTxres,

rom parlamentSi Sesvlis sanacvlod

„girCi” televizias miiRebs

Tavisi aparaturiT.

molaparakebebi mimdinareobda

„lelos”, „strategia aRmaSeneblisa”

da leiboristebis warmomadgenlebTanac.

ivaniSvili maTac

hpirdeba raRacebs. mTavar meocnebes

uyuradRebod arc „patriotTa

aliansi” dautovebia. Tumca

jer veravin daiyolia. SeiZleba

daiyolia, magram amaze xmamaRla

aravin saubrobs.

xelisuflebam Zalebis mosinjva

„nacionalebTanac” scada. am

partiaSi seriozuli dapirispirebaa

da amaze qvemoT mogaxsenebT.

„ocneba” am frontze personebTan

awarmoebs dialogs. araa gamoricxuli,

viRacebi daiTanxmos. am

Zalis saarCevno sias Tu gadavxedavT,

vnaxavT, rom viRacebis da-

Tanxmeba ar gaWirdeba.

opoziciasTan faruli molaparakebebi

rom mimdinareobs, amaze

xelisuflebis warmomadgenel-

Ta gancxadebebic metyvelebs.

irakli kobaxiZe fexebis bakuniT

gaiZaxis, rom opozicia aucileblad

Seva parlamentSi.

CvenTvis isic gaxda cnobili,

rom opoziciis dayoliebas saqar-

TveloSi aSS-is elCic cdilobs.

is opoziciis liderebs piradad

urekavs da urCevs, rom parlamentSi

Svidnen. amas imiT xsnis, rom

qveyanaSi areuloba ar moxdes.

rogorc Cveni wyaro acxadebs,

opoziciis didi nawili ukve Tanaxma

iyo, parlamentSi Sesuliyo,

magram 8-9 noembris sisxlianma

Ramem dRis wesrigi Secvala. axla

parlamentSi Sesvla nebismieri

partiisTvis sasikvdilo ganaCeni

iqneba. gigi ugulava rogorc ityoda,

axla parlamentSi Sesvla

„qarTul ocnebaSi” Sesvlas niSnavso.

sxvaTa Soris, molaparakebebi

„evropul saqarTvelosTanac”

midioda. ivaniSvili maT dayoliebasac

cdilobs, magram jer

veravin daiyolia. 8-9 noembris

sisxliani Ramis Semdeg opoziciis

dayolieba kidev ufro gaWirdeba.

Tamar Jvanias sisxlianma Ramem

am qveyanaSi bevri rame Secvala.

aqamde opozicia jer kidev

fiqrobda parlamentSi Sesvlaze,

axla es Zalian sarisko iqneba.

gamoricxuli araferia, Tu Tavad

xelisuflebaSic ar airia situacia.

aqac yvelaferi rigze ver

aris. opozicia parlamentSi Tu

Sevida, es Cvens sazogadoebas ar

gaukvirdeba. aseTi rame 2008 welsac

moxda. arCevnebis SedegebiT

ukmayofilo opoziciam uari Tqva

sakanonmdeblo organoSi Sesvlaze.

albaT yvelas gemaxsovrebaT,

rogor daWres maT parlamentis

win mandatebi. Tumca yvela

ase ar moqceula, viRacebi parlamentSi

Sevidnen. amis daxmarebiT

saakaSvilma maSin saxe SeinarCuna.

axla igives cdilobs biZina ivaniSvili.

ra gamova aqedan, amas male vnaxavT.

opozicia ambobs, rom „ocnebis”

satyuaras ar wamoegebian

da mxolod xelaxal arCevnebs

dasTanxmdebian. gansakuTrebiT

„nacionaluri moZraobaa” kategoriuli,

sadac arcTu saxarbielo

viTarebaa. saakaSvilTan daavSirebiT

aq poziciebi orad aris gayofili.

„nacmoZraobis” erTi nawili

miiCnevs, rom saakaSvili aucileblad

unda dabrundes, meore

nawili amas kategoriulad ewinaaRmdegeba.

miSas dabrunebis

mowinaaRmdege „nacionalebi” amboben,

rom isini liders xalxs ar

daaxvedreben da arc raime garantiebis

micemas apireben. garantiebis

gareSe ki saqarTvelos mesame

prezidenti ar dabrundeba.

„nacionalebisa” ar iyos, „qar-

Tul ocnebaSic” mZimed aris saqme.

gundi aqac orad aris gayofili.

agresiul frTas irakli kobaxiZe

warmoadgens. es ukanaskneli „qarTuli

ocnebis” wevrebsac aRizianebs.

gaRizianebulia biZina ivaniSvilic.

gavrcelebuli informaciiT,

arCevnebis Rames mTavarma

meocnebem kobaxiZe gamolanZRa,

sxva liderebi ki mas fizikurad

Seexen. fizikur angariSsworebaSi

kaxa kalaZec CaerTo da erTi-ori

masac moxvda.

kobaxiZe-kalaZis kampania ivaniSvils

umtkicebda, rom mas sazogadoebaSi

didi ndoba hqonda

da arCevnebis mogebas iolad Se-

Zlebdnen, gayalbebis daxmarebiT

ki ivaniSvilisTvis sasurveli

procenti daiwereboda. mTavar meocnebes

63% hqonda akviatebuli.

arCevnebis iolad mogebisa ra

giTxraT, magram gayalbeba namdvilad

vixileT. kobaxiZis mondomebiT

ise gayalbda arCevnebi,

rom cesko Sedegebs ver acxadebda,

oqmebis dajameba SeuZlebeli

iyo. amis gamo mmarTveli partia

parlamentis yofil Tavmjdomares

misdga. ivaniSvilma mosTxova,

Seni gafuWebuli saqme Senve gamoasworeo,

amitomac aris, rom yvelaferze

kobaxiZe akeTebs komentars.

gafuWebulis gamosworebas

ver axerxebs, samagierod warmatebiT

azizRebs xalxs „qarTul ocnebas”.

ise iqceva, zogjer „nacebic”

ki fiqroben, es kaci „ocneba-

Si” Cveni Canergili xom ar ariso?

N28 (330) 10.11-16.11.2020 w.

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ìvaniSvils unda, rom

8-9 ivnisis sisxliani Rame Savi

Sorena marsagiSvili

asoebiT Seva saqarTvelos isto-

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riaSi. „gavrilovis Rames” xelisuflebam

daamtkica, rom Zalauflebis

SesanarCuneblad yvelafers ikadrebda. aqedan gamom-

dinare, opozicia darwmunebuli iyo, rom xelisufleba Zalas

axlac gamoiyenebda. Tumca aravis egona, ivaniSvils nervebi

pirvelsave dRes umtyunebda. is, rac ceskos SenobasTan mox-

da, murman dumbaZisTvis mosalodneli iyo. opoziciis erT-

erTi lideri ambobs, rom „qarTuli ocnebis” Tavma mxolod

ZaladobiT icis problemis mogvareba. dumbaZe ar gamoricx-

avs, rom es darbeva ivaniSvilisTvis morigi triuki iyos.

ra SeiZleba idges am darbevis

ukan? risTvis emzadeba ivaniS-

vili? rogor unda imoqmedos

opoziciam? visi eSinia „qarTuli

ocnebis” liders? _ am Temebis

Sesaxeb murman dumbaZe „qroni-

ka+~-s esaubreba:

_ batono murman, ceskosTan

xalxis darbevas elodebodiT?

_ biZina ivaniSvilisgan yvelaferia

mosalodneli. aqedan gamomdinare,

sruliad ar gamkvirvebia,

rac 8-9 noembris Rames ceskosTan

moxda. ivaniSvili aris is kaci,

romelic patara SekamaTebis gamo

damemuqra. me masTan erTad davafuZne

„qarTuli ocneba”. Cven er-

Tad did dros vatarebdiT da

TanamebrZolebi viyaviT. xelisuflebaSi

mosvlis Semdeg ivaniSvilma

raRac sisuleleebis Cadena

daiwyo. amaze mivuTiTe da Cven

Soris uTanxmoeba Camovarda. misi

qmedebebi sajarodac gavakritike.

amiT gabrazebulma ivaniSvilma

damireka da pirdapir miTxra,

frTxilad iyavi, quCaSi araferi

dagemarToso.

_ es gafrTxileba rodis miiReT,

„ocnebidan” rom wamox-

vediT, Tu manamde?

_ jer kidev „ocnebis” wevri

viyavi. ivaniSvils premieris posti

ekava. Tanamdebobasac ki ar moerida

da damemuqra. es 2013 wlis

TebervalSi moxda. es adamiani

bunebiT aris kriminali da qmedebebic

kriminalis aqvs. is ufro

gamikvirdeboda, darbevaze rom ar

wasuliyo.

_ aseTi darbevebis Semdeg

xalxi ufro brazdeba da gac-

ilebiT meti adamiani gamodis

quCaSi. es ar icis ivaniSvilma?

_ icis, magram adamiani bunebiT

kriminalia da sxvanairad ver

moiqceva. is iqceva, rogorc gasuli

saukunis 90-iani wlebis ruseTSi

moqmedebda. darbeva, Tvalebis

daTxra, samagieros gadaxda

misTvis ucxo ar aris.

_ darbeviT saakaSvilic arbev-

da opozicias, magram xalxi ver

daaSina.

_ verc ivaniSvili daaSinebs.

amaze is aucileblad agebs pasuxs.

am darbevebisTvis saakaSvilmac

ago pasuxi da dRes samSoboSi ver

brundeba. me didi xani viyavi miSas

oponenti. araerTi aqcia movawyve

mis winaaRmdeg. 2011 wlis 26

maissac aqciaze videqi. es iyo sastiki

darbeva, magram ivaniSvilis

darbevebisgan gansxvavebiT, am darbevas

raRac gamarTleba mainc

hqonda.

_ Tqven 26 maisis darbevas am-

arTlebT?

_ am sastik darbevas ver gavamarTleb,

magram miSas im aqciis

dasarbevad sababi hqonda. 26 maiss

rusTavelis gamzirze samxedro

aRlumi unda gamarTuliyo. misi

CaSlis nebas aravin mogvcemda.

sisastike rom ar gamoeCinaT, am

aqciis daSlis gamo miSas veravin

Seedaveboda. misgan gansxvavebiT,

ivaniSvili Tavs ver gaimarTlebs.

_ ukve bevri darbevaa ivaniS-

vilis angariSze. cotac da miSas

gadaaswrebs.

_ Tu gaviTvaliswinebT, rom

miSas dros darbevebs amarTlebda,

CaTvaleT, rom didi xnis win

gadaaswro. Cvenma sazogadoebam am

Zaladobaze Tvali ar unda daxu-

Wos. mTeli qveynis masStabiT unda

gaimarTos aqciebi. marto Tbilisi

da baTumi ar kmara. mTeli saqarTvelo

unda gamovides quCaSi.

_ gamova da mTeli qveynis mas-

StabiT daiwyeba darbevebi.

_ ramdens daarbevs? am xalxze

darbeva ar Wris. Cvens mosaxleobaSi

Zaladoba uaress protests

iwvevs.

_ Tqven ivaniSvils kargad

icnobT da rogor ggoniaT,

pirdapir darbevaze ratom gada-

dis? ase male SeiZleba, rom kacs

nervebma umtyunos?

_ man Zaladobis garda sxva

araferi icis. ase iSova fuli da

ase cdilobs am qveynis dapatronebas.

am darbevebs rac Seexeba, ar

gamovricxav, es ruseTs ukavSirdebodes.

_ ruseTi avalebs, aqcia daar-

bieo? Tu ruseTis saameblad

akeTebs amas?

_ SeiZleba, erTic aris da _

meorec, arc mesame variants gamovricxav.

ivaniSvili putinzea

damokidebuli da misi Zalian eSinia.

putini mas ar aZlevs imis

uflebas, rom xelisufleba daTmos.

am darbevebiT revolucias

CaliCobs. putins etyvis, ra vqna,

xom xedav, xalxma Camomagdoo. ar

gamikvirdeba, amas ukavSirdebodes

amdeni adamianis cema da dasaxi-

Creba. ivaniSvilis bolo mainc

wiTeli moedania. amas Tavadac

xvdeba da Tadarigs iWers.

darbevebi momavalSic iqneba,

magram es protests ver gaaCerebs.

opozicia dRes iseTi erTiania,

rogorc arasdros. es erTianoba

aucileblad gamoiRebs Sedegs.

„ocnebam” arCevani mogvpara da mas

aucileblad davibrunebT.

biZina ivaniSvilma katastrofuli

Secdoma dauSva, roca Sereuli

sistema datova. srulad opoziciur

sistemaze rom gadavsuliyaviT,

amxela ayalmayal aRar iqne-

murman dumbaZe:

`misi bolo

aris wiTeli

moedani!~

boda. arCevnebi dasruldeboda 31

oqtombers da is dasruldeboda

opoziciis gamarjvebiT. ivaniSvilma

Secdoma dauSva, rom igive

ar gaimeora, rac saakaSvilma 2012

wlis pirvel oqtombers gaakeTa.

_ Tqven sul imas ambobdiT,

rom ivaniSvili arCevnebSi dama-

rcxebas aRiarebso.

_ megona, rom ase moiqceoda,

radgan es misTvis ukeTesi iyo. mas

SeeZlo, kargad Sesuliyo saqar-

Tvelos istoriaSi. samwuxarod,

man sxva gza airCia. mogexsenebaT,

Tu ra didi gamocdileba maqvs

politikaSi. am gamocdilebis

gaTvaliswinebiT Tamamad geubnebiT,

rom ivaniSvilis „ocneba”

aris SevardnaZis „moqkavSiri” da

abaSiZis „aRorZineba”.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ imas, rom „ocnebac” iseve

gardaicvala, rogorc „moqkavSiri”

da „aRorZineba”. ivaniSvilis

bolo iqneba moskovi, wiTeli

moedani. es ukeTess SemTxvevaSi.

araa gamoricxuli, cixeSic aRmoCndes.

man xalxs arCevnebi mohpara,

qurdoba ki danaSaulia.

_ opozicia sul ambobda, rom

arCevnebis gayalbebas ar Seegueboda.

Tqveni azriT, ratom wavi-

da ivaniSvili aseT gayalbebaze?

ra egona, protesti ar iqneboda?

_ mas sufTad TamaSi ar Seu-

Zlia. ivaniSvili ZaladobiT aRwevda

yovelTvis mizans. is verc

politikosad Camoyalibda. politikosi

rom yofiliyo, amaze ar

wavidoda. mas win hqonda SevardnaZisa

da abaSiZis magaliTebi.

qarTveli xalxi gayalbebas ar

patiobs. mixeil saakaSvils bevri

nakli aqvs da bevri Secdomac

dauSvia, magram is politikosia.

man 2012 wels aRiara arCevnebSi

ìvaniSvili aris is kaci, romelic patara

SekamaTebis gamo damemuqra. me masTan erTad

davafuZne `qarTuli ocneba~. Cven erTad did

dros vatarebdiT da TanamebrZolebi viyaviT.

xelisuflebaSi mosvlis Semdeg ivaniSvilma

raRac sisuleleebis Cadena daiwyo. amaze

mivuTiTe da Cven Soris uTanxmoeba Camovarda.

misi qmedebebi sajarodac gavakritike. amiT

gabrazebulma ivaniSvilma damireka da

pirdapir miTxra, frTxilad iyavi, quCaSi

araferi dagemarToso~

damarcxeba da darCa politikaSi.

ivaniSvili ki darCa xelisuflebaSi,

magram darCa politikis miRma.

_ es ranairad?

_ Cveulebrivad. ivaniSvili ki

darCa xelisuflebaSi, magram

politikis miRmaa da amas araferi

eSveleba. arsebul viTarebaSi gamosavalic

Zneli sapovnelia. wesiT,

man xelaxali arCevnebi unda

daniSnos, romelic Tavisufal

garemoSi Catardeba. es naklebad

savaraudoa, biZina amaze ar wava.

amis sapasuxod opoziciam swori

nabiji gadadga.

_ aqciebia swori nabiji?

_ aqciebic, magram aranakleb

mniSvnelovania bariergadalaxuli

partiebis gadawyvetileba. maT

erTxmad ganacxades, rom parlamentSi

ar Sevlen. ivaniSvili parlamentSi

iqneba marto. es mis Zalas

did uxerxulobas Seuqmnis. maT

aucileblad mouwevT daTmobaze

wasvla.

_ ise, „ocneba” bolomde Tavs

gamarjvebulad ar miiCnevs.

arCevnebis mogeba ramdenime wu-

Tiani zeimiT aRniSna mxolod.

amas riT axsniT?

_ arCevnebis periodSic da

axlac baTumSi var. baTumSi viyavi

arCevnebis Ramesac. „qarTuli

ocnebis” ofisi Cveni ofisis gverdiT

aris. Zalian civilizebuli

urTierToba gvqonda da erTi kamaTic

ki ar mogvsvlia, miuxedavad

imisa, rom erTmaneTs mwvaved

vakritikebdiT. roca ceskom Sedegebi

gamoacxada, „ocnebis” baTumis

ofisSic xanmokle zeimi gaimarTa.

mere daiSalnen. arCevnebis

mogebas ase xanmokle zeimiT aravin

aRniSnavs. „qarTuli ocnebis”

mokrZaleba pirdapir kavSirSia

gayalbebasTan. am partiaSi yvelaze

ukeT ician, Tu ra doziT gaayalbes

arCevnebi. ise gaayalbes, rom

gamarjvebis aRniSvnisac ki SercxvaT.

darwmunebuli var, ivaniSvilic

ar zeimobs am gamarjvebas. man

kargad icis, ra Caidina da imasac

acnobierebs, ra SeiZleba amis gamo

miiRos. mas dasavleTic mosTxovs

pasuxs. pirvel rigSi ki am

qveynis moqalaqeebisTvis mouwevs

pasuxis gacema. zeviT giTxariT,

rom ivaniSvili ki darCa xelisu-

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revoluciiT gaagdon~

flebaSi, magram politikis miRma

aRmoCnda. mas xalxSi dasayrdeni

ar gaaCnia. roca xelisuflebas

xalxSi dasayrdeni ar aqvs, is

aucileblad CamoiSleba. ivaniSvilis

xelisuflebac CamoiSleba.

gayalbebis gamo aq erTxel ukve

moxda revolucia. vimeoreb: ivani-

Svili Zalian Secda, roca srulad

proporciul wesze gadasvlas ar

daTanxmda. Sereuli sistema rom

ar darCeniliyo, axla yvelaferi

damTavrebuli iqneboda da arc

aqciebi gaxdeboda saWiro.

_ Tqven zemoTac TqviT, rom

ivaniSvilma Secdoma dauSva, srulad

proporciul wesze gadasv-

las rom ar dasTanxmdao. es

ivaniSvilis Secdomaa Tu opoz-

iciis? opozicia ambobda, rom

mxolod srulad proporciuls

dasTanxmdeboda, magram mere 120/

30-ze modelze SejerdiT.

_ Cven wlebia viTxovT, rom

arCevnebi srulad proporciuli

sistemiT Catardes. opoziciam

yvelaferi gaakeTa, rom es Sedegi

damdgariyo. samwuxarod, mizans

bolomde ver mivaRwieT da proporciulTan

miaxloebul sistemas

davTanxmdiT. es arCevnebi

Sereuli sistemiT rom ar Catarebuliyo,

axla qveyanaSi gamosvlebs

ver vixilavdiT, arc ivaniSvils

eqneboda sanerviulo.

_ iqneb, arc nerviulobs? man

xom xelisufleba SeinarCuna?

_ xelisufleba SeinarCuna, magram

politikis miRma darCa: qveyanaSi

aqciebia, daRvara adamianebis

sisxli, gaayalba arCevnebi. man

icis, rom amas ar apatieben. mSvidad

rogor unda iyos? srulad

proporciuli sistemiT rom Catarebuliyo

arCevnebi, „ocneba” da

misi lideri mSvidad gadavidodnen

opoziciaSi da politikuri

velidan maT veravin gaiyvanda.

aSkaraa, rom mas saqarTvelos mosaxleobis

nawili mxars uWers.

_ opozicia ambobs, rom mas

mxardamWerebi aRar hyavs.

_ es simarTles ar Seefereba.

me simarTle miyvars da tyuils

ar vityvi, ivaniSvils hyavs mxardamWerebi.

mas amomrCevlebis 1/3

uWers mxars. am mxardaWeriT is

parlamentSi seriozulad iqneboda

warmodgenili. man yvelafris

mitaceba gadawyvta da axla xalxs

arCevanis dasabruneblad revoluciuri

gziT uwevs siaruli.

_ am revolucias Zalian xSir-

ad axsenebT da sxva gamosavali

ar aris?

_ Zalian minda, rom saqme aqamde

ar mivides, magram xelisufleba

amisken gvibiZgebs. rogorc

vatyob, revolucia iqneba.

_ xelisufleba isedac bevrs

saubrobs revoluciur scenarze

da am gancxadebis gamo Tqven da

opozicia SarSi ar aRmoCndeT.

_ SarSi ratom unda aRmovCndeT?

an ra SuaSia opozicia? arc

erTi opozicioneri lideri xalxs

revoluciisken ar mouwodebs.

erTaderTi me var, vinc revoluciaze

saubrobs. arc me visaubrebdi,

magram xelisufleba sxva gzas,

ubralod, ar tovebs. mikvirs, ratom

eridebian adamianebi revoluciis

xsenebas. roca saWiroa,

revolucia unda moxdes. revoluciam

warmoSva 2003 wlis 23 noemberi.

_ am revolucias maSin ivaniS-

vilic uWerda mxars.

_ swori gadawyvetileba miiRo

maSin ivaniSvilma. maSindelma xelisuflebam

Tavad ubiZga xalxs

revoluciisken. arCevnebis gayalbeba

bolo wveTi iyo xalxis moTminebis

fialaSi. miuxedavad imisa,

rom me „nacionalebs” davupirispirdi,

vacxadeb, rom „vardebis

revoluciam” saqarTvelos sikeTe

moutana.

_ „qarTuli ocnebis” momxreebi

ase ar fiqroben. isini gamud-

mebT apelireben sisxlian 9

welze.

_ vinc sisxlian 9 welze saubrobs,

naxevarze meti sisxliani 9

wlis manZilze xelisuflebaSi

N28 (330) 10.11-16.11.2020 w.

àm sastik darbevas ver gavamarTleb, magram miSas im aqciis dasarbevad

sababi hqonda. 26 maiss rusTavelis gamzirze samxedro aRlumi unda

gamarTuliyo. misi CaSlis nebas aravin mogvcemda. sisastike rom ar

gamoeCinaT, am aqciis daSlis gamo miSas veravin Seedaveboda. misgan

gansxvavebiT, ivaniSvili Tavs ver gaimarTlebs~

iyo. medroveebis azri ar mainteresebs.

isini xval „ocnebas” pirvelebi

galanZRaven. arasdros

moveridebi imis Tqmas, rom „vardebis

revoluciam” saqarTvelos

bevri sikeTe moutana.

_ ra sikeTeebi moutana?

_ 2004-2012 wlamde saqarTvelo

seriozulad viTardeboda. saakaSvilis

xelisuflebam bevri da seriozuli

Secdoma dauSva, magram

saxelmwifi fexze dadga. roca

raRacas aSeneb, iq Secdomebic

SeiZleba dauSva adamianma. saakaSvilis

xelisuflebam bevri dana-

Saulic Caidina. amis gamo xalxma

is 2012 wels xelisuflebidan gauSva.

saakaSvilsac SeeZlo arCevnebis

gayalbeba, magram am gziT ar

wavida. ivaniSvilma ki ver daTmo

Zalaufleba da kvlav gayalbebaze

waucda xeli. arCevani xom wagvarTva

da revoluciis winaSec

ìvaniSvili putinzea damokidebuli da misi

Zalian eSinia. putini mas ar aZlevs imis

uflebas, rom xelisufleba daTmos. am

darbevebiT revolucias CaliCobs. putins

etyvis, ra vqna, xom xedav, xalxma Camomagdoo.

ar gamikvirdeba, amas ukavSirdebodes amdeni

adamianis cema da dasaxiCreba~

dagvayena. rodesac gabrazebuli

moqalaqe quCaSi gamodis, iq didia

albaToba imisa, rom revolucia

moxdes. revoluciaze bevrs ki

vlaparakob, magram marTla ar

mindoda, rom aq xelisufleba

revoluciis gziT Secvliliyo.

qveynisTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania,

rom xelisufleba arCevnebis

gziT Seicvalos. es daamtkicebda

imas, rom saqarTvelo Sedga, rogorc

saxelmwifo. ivaniSvili ki

istoriaSi kargad Sevidoda. axla

misi politikuri biografia SeibRala.

_ rac mas naklebad adardebs.

_ ver vityodi, rom ar

adardebs. is Zalian nerviulobs

imis gamo, rac xdeba. axla, roca

am intervius vwerT, arCevnebidan

erT kviraze meti gavida da es

adamiani arc ki gamoCenila, arc

mxardamWerebs Sexvedria, gancxadebac

ki ar gauvrcelebia. Zalauflebis

SenarCunebis wyurvilma

bevri Secdoma daaSvebina da bevri

danaSauli Caadenina. man icis,

rom, adre Tu gvian, yvelaferze

agebs pasuxs. biZina ivaniSvili

arCevnebis win ramdenjerme gamo-

Cnda da ganacxada, rom „qarTuli

ocnebis” mxardaWera 53-dan 63%-

mde meryeobda. igives acxadebda

batoni kobaxiZe. arCevnebi xom arnaxulad

gaayalbes, yvelaferi

ikadres, magram 50%-s ver ascdnen.

arCevnebi gayalbebis gareSe

rom Catarebuliyo, es partia

40%-sac ki ver aiRebdaa. aris

ubnebi, sadac ivaniSvilis partias

jamurad opoziciuri erToba ki

ara, marto „nacionaluri moZraoba”

ugebs.

_ es sad xdeba? sad ugebs „na-

cionaluri moZraoba” „qarTul

ocnebas”?

_ baTumSi. es Zalian bevr rameze

metyvelebs. roca amomrCeveli

arCevans wina xelisuflebis sasargeblod

akeTebs, es niSnavs, rom

Zveli sjobda moqmed xelisuflebas.

_ baTumelebs rom Zveli xe-

lisuflebis mimarT nostalgia

aqvT, gasakviri araa, „naciona-

lebis” dros es qalaqi Zalian

galamazda.

_ marto baTumi ar galamazebula,

saqarTvelos bevri qalaqi

gaalamazes saakaSvilis dros.

_ miSam baTums mainc gan-

sakuTrebulad mixeda.

_ amas ver gaveqceviT, yvelaze

meti fuli aq Caido da Zalian

galamazda baTumi. xalxs es axsovs

da amitom Semoxazes nomeri

5. me dRes „nacionalebTan” erTad

var, magram ar maviwydeba maT mier

Cadenili danaSauli da Secdomebi.

saakaSvilma Secdoma dauSva,

roca biZina ivaniSvils moqalaqeoba

CamoarTva. es ambavi maSinve

gavaproteste. arasworad mimaCnia,

rom am qveynis moqalaqeebs moqalaqeobas

varTmevdeT da qveynidan

vaZevebdeT. samwuxarod, ase-

Ti Secdoma dauSva ivaniSvilis xelisuflebamac

da maTac CamoarTves

saakaSvils saqarTvelos moqalaqeoba.

ar SeiZleba, Seni qveynis

prezidents moqalaqeoba waarTva.

adre viRac amas taSiT xvdeboda,

magram axla acnobierebs,

rom Secdomaa. aravis aqvs ufleba,

qveynis mesame prezidents moqalaqeoba

CamoarTvas da saqarTveloSi

politikuri saqmianoba

aukrZalos. miSas dabrunebas ukve

xalxic iTxovs.

_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom

xalxs unda miSas dabruneba?

_ Tavad davusvi es kiTxva

xalxs baTumSi mimdinare aqciis

dros. baTumelebs vuTxari, _ Tu

miSas dabruneba gindaT, taSi daukariT-meTqi

da seriozuli taSi

daukres. saakaSvilis qarTul politikaSi

Semosvla seriozulad

Secvlis aq viTarebas. erTaderTi

kaci, visic dRes ivaniSvils eSinia,

es aris saqarTvelos mesame

prezidenti.

_ e. i. gubaz sanikiZes eTanxme-

biT.

_ orive xelis aweviT veTanxmebi

sanikiZes. Cven miSasTan dakav-

SirebiT Tanamoazreebi varT. ise

aravin gaigos, rom miSasgan beladis

Seqmna minda.

_ aba, ratom ambobT, rom mx-

olod misi eSinia ivaniSvils?

_ imitom vambob, rom marTla

mxolod saakaSvilis eSinia. me minda,

rom mesame prezidenti saqar-

TveloSi dabrundes, magram misgan

arc kerps da arc belads ar

Sevqmni. viTxov, rom sxva qarTvel

politikosebTan erTad Tanabar

pirobebSi iyos.

vici, opoziciaSi bevrs eSinia,

rom isev saakaSvili da „nacionalebi”

Caigdeben xelSi Zalauflebas.

minda, isini davamSvido da

vuTxra, rom maTi SiSi usafuZvloa.

_ ratom aris usafuZvlo?

2003 wlis „vardebis revolucia-

Si” ramdenime partia monawileobda,

magram Zalaufleba „naciona-

lebs” darCaT.

_ maSin sxva sistema iyo. dRes

qarTvelma xalxma uari uTxra er-

Tpartiul mmarTvelobas. mTavroba

koaliciis gareSe ver dakompleqtdeba.

ase rom, saakaSvili

opoziciisTvis saSiSi ar aris, is

ivaniSvilisTvisaa saSiSi.

7


skandaluri sqema, romliTac

bavSvmac ki icis, rom 31 oq-

giorgi abaSiZe

tombris arCevnebi gayalbda.

marTalia, „ocneba” ixtibars ar

itexs da Tavs imSvidebs, xmebi aravis mouparavs da calkeuli

xarvezebi, ubralod, adamianuri Secdomebia da meti arafer-

io, magram opozicias gayalbebis utyuari mtkicebulebebi

aqvs. ai, magaliTad, politikuri moZraoba „tribunis” warmo-

madgeneli kote kemularia skandalur gancxadebas akeTebs.

kerZod, kemularias TqmiT, 31 oqtombers, SuaRamisas, ceskos

xelmZRvanel Tamar Jvanias miTiTebiT is specprograma gamoirTo,

romelic saarCevno administraciis serverze daubal-

ansebeli oqmebis atvirTvis saSualebas ar iZleva.

„cesko rom marTavda gayalbe-

bas, amis damadasturebeli bevri

mtkicebuleba dagrovda. pirve-

li is aris, rom 23 saaTis Semdeg

oqmebis atvirTva SeCerda. amas,

Tamaras garda, veravin izamda.

ceskos kompiuterSi daubalansebeli

oqmi ver aitvirTeba _ pro-

grama gamoagdebs, e. i. mosyidva

da daSineba rom ver gamodga sa-

Tanado xmebis Sesagroveblad,

cesko uprecedento danaSaulze

wavida _ gamorTo gayalbebis

sawinaaRmdego programa (Ramis

12 saaTze) da daiwyo oqmebis

gadakeTeba „ocnebis” sasarge-

blod da daubalansebeli oqmeb-

is atvirTva. amas didi gamoZieba

ar sWirdeba. rogorc ki dain-

teresdeba gamoZieba, rogor

aitvirTa daubalansebeli oqmebi,

iqve naTeli gaxdeba, ra Caid-

ines”, _ ambobs kote kemularia

romelic „qronika+~-sTan kidev

erT skandalur gancxadebas ake-

Tebs. kerZod, kemularias TqmiT,

„ocneba” opoziciis mosyidvas

100 milioni dolariT cdilobda,

magram cdunebas yvela opoz-

iciurma subieqtma gauZlo.

gTavazobT skandalur inter-

vius kote kemulariasTan:

_ batono kote, ras ityviT,

qveyanaSi politikuri krizisia?

_ diax, politikuri krizisia.

_ damisabuTeT, ratom?

_ mogexsenebaT, saparlamento

respublikaSi ZiriTadi politikuri

movlena saparlamento arCevnebia,

romliTac saxelmwifos

marTva icvleba. im 9 partiidan,

romelic ceskos monacemebiT parlamentSi

Sevida, rva partia

arCevnebs legitimurad ar cnobs

da protestis ukiduress formas

mimarTavs _ sakanonmdeblo organoSi

ar Sedis. isic ki, visac politologia

pirvel kursze aqvs naswavli,

kategoriulad ityvis,

rom es umZimesi politikuri krizisi

da uprecedento movlenaa.

yovel SemTxvevaSi, piradad me

arc maxsendeba, rom opozicias

arCevnebi aralegitimurad gamoecxadebinos

da parlamentSi ar

Sesuliyos. sxvaTa Soris, am aralegitimurobis

mtkicebulebebic

arsebobs. bolos da bolos, 21-e

saukunea da mtkicebulebebis

mopoveba rTuli araa.

_ sanam mtkicebulebebze ga-

davalT, „ocnebis” pozicias

gagaxsenebT, anu ivaniSvilis gundis

wevrebi Tavs igiJeben, gay-

albeba ar yofilao da iqve dasZ-

enen, kargia, opozicia parlamen-

tSi Tu Semova, magram Tu boi-

kots gaagrZelebs, arc es iqneba

problemao. es ki arada, mdinaraZis

gancxadebiT, biuleteneb-

is gadaTvliT, „ocnebis” xmebi,

Turme, kidev ufro gaizarda...

arda...

_ xelisufleba xilulad da

uxilavad gavyoT.

_ anu?

_ SeSinebuli da gafiTrebuli

mdinaraZeebis gancxadebebze komentars

nu gamakeTebinebT da

ufro zeviT avideT, sadac gadawyvetilebebi

miiReba.

_ ki batono, avideT da iciT,

zeviT ra xdeba?

_ migzavnebi da SeTavazebebia.

sxvaTa Soris, tikaraZis gancxadeba

vnaxe, Cven molaparakebebisa da

SeTanxmebisTvis mzad varTo.

daakvirdiT, amas mTavrobis wevri

ambobs. ramdenime dRis win „magari

biWis”, kobaxiZis gancxadebac

gavixsenoT.

_ kobaxiZe gancxadebas gancx-

adebaze akeTebs da Tqven romel

gancxadebas ixsenebT, kote ba-

tono?

_ erTpartiuli parlamenti ar

ivargebs, kargi ar iqneba da imedi

maqvs, movilaparakebT da

opozicia Semovao.

_ yvelafer amiT saubari

saiTken migyavT?

_ erT arcTu kuluarul da

gadamowmebul informacias gagiziarebT

_ xalxs ugzavnian da sakmaod

solidur Tanxebsac sTavazoben.

nel-nela es imedi uqrebaT

da is Rimili SeacivdaT, romelic

Tavidan hqondaT, _ ras laparakobT,

kaco, Cven cal-calke an

jguf-jgufad viyidiTo. yoCaR,

opozicias da yoCaR, sazogadoebas!

_ batono kote, daakonkreteT,

Suamavali vin iyo an „ocnebam”

romel opozicioners miugzavna?

_ TiTqmis yvelas!

_ „ocnebis” mstovrebi „tri-

bunaSic” movidnen?

_ piradad CemTan aravin mosula,

magram Tbilisi patara qalaqia,

yvela yvelas vicnobT da darwmunebuli

var, yvelgan iqneboda,

_ aba, kaco, ras SvrebiT da

icodeT, aq varTo... magram yvelaferi

es erTianma opoziciam

aisxlita, riTac Zalian kmayofili

var! e. i., Cven axali Taobis

politikosebi gagvezardnen,

romelTac gamarjvebis fasic

ician, Tavisuflebisac da imisic,

rom gamarjveba ar iyideba!

_ socialur qselSi gavr-

celebuli xmiT „ocnebasa” da

opozicias Soris Suamavalis misias

kote kublaSvili asruleb-

da. amis Sesaxeb Tqvenc gsmeniaT?

kote kemularia:

`parlamentSi

Sesvlis sanacvlod

òcneba~ opozicias

astronomiul

Tanxas _ 100

milion dolars

sTavazobda!~

_ gvar-saxelebs ver davasaxeleb,

magram vici, rom aseTi erTi

ki ara, ramdenimea da isic vici,

rom „ocnebas” imedi nel-nela

ukvdeba, arada, Tavidan sakmaod

maJorul ganwyobaze iyo. sxvaTa

Soris, sajarodac iTqva, rom

SeTanxmeba SesaZloa, dasavleTis

monawileobiT Semdgariyo, magram

es mosazrebac kvdeba. dasavleTi

ver dauSvebs precedents, rom

arCevnebis „oficialuri Sedegebi”

gadakeTdes. ise, imaze, es cesko

rac aris, albaT, calke unda

visaubroT.

_ araa problema, visaubroT,

magram jer es Tema amovwuroT _

„ocneba” opozicias, parlamentSi

Sesvlis sanacvlod, fuls sTavazobda

Tu, ubralod, procente-

bis awevaze evaWreboda?

_ TanxebiT procentebis gadanawilebas.

_ es ras niSnavs?

_ Cven daviklebT da Tqven

mogimatebTo.

_ anu opozicias, parlamentSi

Sesvlis sanacvlod, Tanxas

sTavazobdnen?

_ diax, astronomiuli Tanxa

iyo dasaxelebuli _ 100 milioni

dolari!

_ am 100 milions romelime konkretul

subieqts sTavazobd-

nen?

_ ara, es saerTo Tanxa iyo,

razedac opoziciam, sabednierod,

uari Tqva!

_ sxvaTa Soris, batono kote,

cekoSi xmebis gayalbebaze skand-

aluri gancxadeba gaakeTeT, anu

is sqema gaSifreT, romliTac ar-

Cevnebi mogvpares. am sqemis Sesa-

xeb saidan da rogor SeityveT?

_ is, rac vTqvi, ceskos yofilma

Tavmjdomareebmac daadas-

`tragedia isaa, rom es daubalansebeli oqmebi

ceskos saitze aitvirTa, anu zemoxsenebuli

programa viRacam gamorTo. amitomac vTqvi,

Zalian advilia, gamoZieba daiwyos da

gairkves, es programa Tamarma gamorTo,

giorgim Tu vinme sxvam?~

tures... rogorc vici, jer kidev

2010 wlidan ceskoSi antigayalbebis

programa arsebobs, romelic,

Tavis droze, frangebma daamuSaves.

_ „antigayalbebis programa”

ras niSnavs?

_ daubalansebel oqmebs sistema

ar tvirTavs da, praqtikulad,

ukan abrunebs. ceskos yofilma

Tavmjdomarem erT-erTi satelevizio

gamosvlisas ganacxada, rom

am programis danergvidan ori

wlis Semdeg, anu 2012 wels, ceskos

erTi daubalansebeli oqmic

ki ar daufiqsirebia. axla ki

gveubnebian, rom 90 oqmidan lamis

88 daubalansebelia.

erTi sityviT, tragedia isaa,

rom es daubalansebeli oqmebi

ceskos saitze aitvirTa, anu

zemoxsenebuli programa viRacam

gamorTo. amitomac vTqvi, Zalian

advilia, gamoZieba daiwyos da

gairkves, es programa Tamarma

gamorTo, giorgim Tu vinme sxvam?

_ Tqveni informaciiT, am programis

gamorTva vis xelewifebo-

da?

_ Tamaras gankargulebis gareSe

veravin gamorTavda, Tumca

rogorc meubnebian, Tamaras garda

iq sus-is ramdenime TanamSromelia.

aseve „odereebic” sxedan.

asea Tu ise, pasuxi Tamaras

unda moeTxovos, Tundac samsaxurebriv

gulgrilobaze _ programa

giorgis an murads rom

gamoerTo, Tamaram erTi ambavi

ratom ar atexa da yvelafris

„gapraveba” ratom daiwyo?

sxvaTa Soris, cesko ubnebis

gadaTvlas Seudga, magram gana,

SeiZleba, mgelma, romelmac cxvari

SeWama, mas inventarizacia

davavaloT? mgeli ityvis, yvela

cxvari adgilzeao. hoda, axla,

rogor ggoniaT, xmebs ganmeorebiT

Tamara iTvlis? ki ar iTvlis,

getyviT, rac xdeba.

_ ra xdeba?

_ ai, magaliTad, CuRureTis

8 N28 (330) 10.11-16.11.2020 w.


Tamar Jvaniam arCevnebi gaayalba

erT-erT ubanze „ocnebas” 1025

xma ewera, gadaTvlis Semdeg ki

225 dauweres, Secdoma iyoo. e. i.,

800 xma iyo gayalbebuli, warmogidgeniaT?!

yvelaferi es Sesworebis

oqmSi dafiqsirda da xom

xedavT, ra masStabis gayalbebazea

saubari.

_ „ocneba” yvelafer amas adamianuri

faqtoriTa da imiT xs-

nis, rom koronis gamo komisiis

wevrebi bolo wuTSi Seicvala...

_ aba, ras laparakobT?

_ me ki ara, amas „ocneba”

laparakobs...

_ iciT, ceskos dafinanseba

ramdeni aqvs? ra, aqamde ar icodnen,

rom oqmSi ori sveti iqneboda

an is, rom pandemiaa? yvela

argumenti, rac mohyavT, sisulelea!

iuristi var, didi xnis ganmavlobaSi

gamomZiebeli viyavi da

imas, rac ceskoSi moxda, winaswari

ganzraxva hqvia! sxva SemTxvevaSi

gangaSi Tavidan unda aetexa, yalbi

oqmebi modiso. Tamaras adgilze

mxolod me da Tqven ki ara,

darwmunebuli var, bevri patiosani

adamiani swored ase moiqceoda.

_ batono kote, yvelafer zemoTqmulidan

gamomdinare, Tun-

dac maSin, roca xelisufleba

Seicvleba, visi pasuxismgebloba

unda dadges, mxolod Tamar Jva-

niasi?

_ jer biZinasi da mere qveviT,

yvela im adamianis, visac daavala,

ar maintersebs, meti xma vis eqneba

da xalxs ra surs, me unda movigoo...

_ amas winaT iTqva, Jvania ivan-

iSvils xvdebao, anu SesaZloa,

movlenebi am scenariT ganvi-

Tardes, rom yvelaferi sakuTar

Tavze ceskos Tavmjdomarem aiR-

os, Tanamdebobidan gadadges da

„ocneba” „qveSidan sufTa gamov-

ides”?

_ es informacia mec maqvs da

isic gavige, rom ivaniSvili mxolod

Jvaniaze ki ara, uSiSroebis

ufroszec gabrazebulia. maqvs

informacia, rom uSiSroebis ufrosad

CubiniZis daniSvnas apireben

_ mas yvelaze sandod miiCnevs.

_ vin?

_ ivaniSvili da imasac getyviT,

yvelaferi es risTvis sWirdeba.

_ risTvis?

_ marTalia, amaze aravin midis,

magram laparakia, rom „ocneba”

SeiZleba, 42 procentze Camovides,

anu cdilobs, magidaze

savaWrod 6 procenti daagdos da

isic vici, rom SigniT saubroben,

modiT, Jvania kedelze gavakraT

da vTqvaT, eqvsi procenti „ocnebas”

man daumata, amas kontroli

verc sus-ma gauwia da amis

mere opozicia moirbenso, magram

es Zalian ususuri scenaria.

_ sxvaTa Soris, „mTavris” eg-

zitpoliT „ocnebas” swored 42%

hqonda, anu Tu mmarTveli gun-

di am 6 procents daiklebs,

opozicias aRarc sadavo eqneba

da aRarc imis Tqmis safuZveli,

rom arCevnebi aralegitimurad

gamoacxados...

_ „ocneba” imazec TaTbirobs,

rom maJoritarebma iqneb, meore

ài, magaliTad, CuRureTis erT-erT ubanze òcnebas~ 1025 xma ewera,

gadaTvlis Semdeg ki 225 dauweres, Secdoma iyoo. e. i., 800 xma iyo

gayalbebuli, warmogidgeniaT?! yvelaferi es Sesworebis oqmSi dafiqsirda

da xom xedavT, ra masStabis gayalbebazea saubari~

turSi miiRon monawileoba, magram

saqme isaa, rom am scenarebiT

„ocnebas” 76 mandatis mosagroveblad

xmebi ar hyofnis da

iZulebuli gaxdeba, koaliciur

mTavrobaze dasTanxmdes. koaliciuri

mTavrobis gagoneba ki bi-

Zinas ar unda. erTi sityviT, „ocneba”

mZime gaugebrobaSi ki ara,

praqtikulad, katastrofaSia! es

mxolod mentaluri katastrofa

ki ara, seriozuli politikuri

krizisia!

_ sxvaTa Soris, NDI-is bolo

angariSSi pirdapiraa naTqvami,

rom calkeul ubnebze axali

arCevnebi unda Catardes...

_ NDI Tavis pirvel gancxadebaSi

xmebis gadaTvlas iTxovda.

axla ki ufro mkacri gaxda... saerTod,

iciT, Tavidan euTo an

igive aSS-is saelCo frTxili ratom

iyo?

_ ratom?

_ msofliosTvis cnobili gaxldaT,

rom saqarTvelo demokratiuli

qveyanaa da amitom imis

Riad aRiarebiT, rac 31 oqtombers

moxda, Crdils saqarTvelos

miayenebdnen, anu razedac biZina,

kobaxiZe, Tamar Jvania da am sazizRari

klasteris warmomadgenlebi

ar zrunaven, imaze Cveni strategiuli

partniorebi zrunaven

da cdiloben, rom saxelmwifos

Crdili ar miadges, magram Cveni

partniorebi mixvdnen, imis araRiareba,

rom axali arCevnebi unda

Catardes, saqarTvelos ufro

did dartymas miayenebs. diax, Tu

xelaxali arCevnebi ar CavatareT,

es saxelmwifo SesaZloa, gaqres!

_ es, mgoni, gadaWarbebuli

Sefasebaa!

_ ara, arafers vaWarbeb!

_ batono kote, gayalbeba Tu

xmebis moparva gasagebia da Sesa-

Zloa, amiTac aixsnas, rom „tribunam”

erTprocentiani barier-

ic ver gadalaxa, magram asea Tu

ise, iqneb, imazec unda dafiqr-

deT, rom Tqvenma lozungma _

„tribunidan tribunalamde” ar

imuSava da xalxisTvis misaRebi,

ìuristi var, didi xnis ganmavlobaSi

gamomZiebeli viyavi da imas, rac ceskoSi

moxda, winaswari ganzraxva hqvia! sxva

SemTxvevaSi gangaSi Tavidan unda aetexa, yalbi

oqmebi modiso. Tamaras adgilze mxolod me

da Tqven ki ara, darwmunebuli var, bevri

patiosani adamiani swored ase moiqceoda~

maincdamainc, arc antisabanko

kampania iyo?

_ bankebis Tema yvelas ainteresebs,

radgan es yovel meore

ojaxs exeba _ bankebi adamianebs

isev urekaven da eubnebian, gadasaxadebi

gadaixadeTo. mokled,

bankebis Tema yvelas axsovs, magram

aq saqme sxva ramea.

_ kerZod?

_ Cven 60-dan 70 aTasamde xma

gvqonda.

_ amas ris safuZvelze am-

bobT?

_ visxediT da biuletenebi

rom modioda, viTvlidiT, magram

Ramis 12 saaTze brZaneba mivida,

gaaCereTo.

_ ra gaaCereTo?

_ vinc iyoCaRa, oqmebi wamovida,

anu Cveni damkvirveblebi gvirekavdnen

da gevubnebodnen, am da

am ubanze oqmi ukve ariso da eleqtronul

versias gvigzavnidnen.

ukve 50 oqmi rom gvqonda, saSualo

gamoviyvaneT da vicodiT,

rom 3 procentze meti mxardaWera

gvqonda, magram 12-idan samis

naxevramde erTi oqmic aRar Semosula

da Cvenebi gaognebulebi

iyvnen, _ aRarc oqmebs gvaZleven

da aRarc rames gvubnebiano... samis

naxevridan nulebis wamosvla

daiwyo. es mxolod CvenTan dakav-

SirebiT ar momxdara. igive iyo,

magaliTad, burjanaZesa da sxvebTanac.

erTi sityviT, gaica br-

Zaneba, xmebi ar gvyofnis, katastrofaa,

Zalian bevri xalxi movida,

balanss ver vsvamT da patara

partiebi gaanadgureTo.

_ patara partiebis ganad-

gurebis brZaneba vin gasca?

_ sus-ma. maT biZinasi eSiniaT,

anu ver etyodnen, xalxi bevri

movida da vagebTo.

_ ratom ver etyodnen?

_ mas kriminaluri azrovneba

aqvs, anu kriminaluri bosia da

rom eTqvaT, vagebTo, ikiTxavda,

ras hqvia, vagebT, me xom dagavaleT,

unda movigoT da bevri xalxi

movida Tu wvima wamovida, ar

mainteresebs. an Tavi moiWeriT, an

xeli, Tu arada, me mogaWriTo.

mokled, biZinas azrovneba,

daaxloebiT, aseTia da vin gabedavda,

mividoda da etyoda, oqmebis

mixedviT vagebT da raRac unda

viRonoTo. 30 welia, arCevnebSi

sxvadasxva formiT vmonawileob

da ar maxsovs, ceskoSi oqmebi

pirdapir pastiT gadaekeTebinoT.

es katastrofisken gadadgmuli

nabiji iyo. Sesworebis xuT-xuTi

oqmi daweres, magram balansi

mainc ar dgeba. yvelafer amas ra

didi gamoZieba sWirdeba, rom es

xalxi cixeSi wava?!

_ SeiZleba, magram „ocneba”

Tavisas ar iSlis da ambobs, rom

am qveynis mTavari gamowveva

arCevnebis moparva ki ara, ko-

ronavirusia. swored am motiviT,

ramdenime did qalaqSi komendan-

tis saaTi ukve gamoacxada, anu

xelisufleba xalxis ukmay-

ofilebis Cacxrobas epidemiis

gapolitizebiT xom ar Seecdeba?

_ sxvaTa Soris, Cemi ramdenime

amxanagi Caketili iyo da saxlidan

ar gamodioda, magram korona

mainc daemarTa. imnaZe, romelic

miqel-gabrielis formulad

iqca, gveubneba, korona Tu dagemarTeba,

saxlSi ijeqi, Cai dalie

da bevri siTxe miiReo. imaTac ki

ar exmarebian, romlebsac daxmareba

realurad sWirdebaT da

amis gamo araerTi adamiani daiRupa,

anu saxelmwifom daxmarebis

kari, realurad, daketa. amitom

xalxs veRar SeaSineben, miT umetes,

imnaZe da gamyreliZe! egeni

matyuarebi arian!

_ e. i., opozicia e. w. erovnul

daumorCileblobas gamoacxadebs

da igive komendantis saa-

Tis wesebs ar daicavs, xom?

_ gaxaria koronas, Turme, Rame

aRviZebs da aTi saaTis mere, Turme,

koronebi darbian! hoda, Tu

eseni TavianT koronas RamRamobiT

uSveben, Cvenc aqciebs aT

saaTamde CavatarebT xolme!

_ da mainc, batono kote, yve-

laferi es riT dasruldeba?

_ amaTi wasvliT, xelaxali

arCevnebiT da „ocnebis” mTeli

klasteris Zalian mZime sisxlis

samarTlis pasuxismgeblobiT!

_ es xom droSi gaiweleba?

_ mere ra? arsad gveCqareba. is,

rasac axla vuyurebT, erovnuli

moZraobis axali talRaa, rasac

veraferi da veravin gaaCerebs!

monebi Tavisuflebas ver aCereben!

diax, ganTavisuflebis procesi

daiwyo!

_ es procesi SeiZleba,

gazafxulamde gagrZeldes?

_ gamoricxuli araferia, Tumca

mgonia, rom yvelaferi gacilebiT

male dasruldeba.

_ Tu politikuri krizisi

droSi gaiwela, es Cvens isedac

Camoqceul ekonomikas uaresad

Camoaqcevs. meTanxmebiT?

_ amazec pasuxismgebeli biZina,

gaxaria da, saerTod, mTeli

mTavrobaa! lari am mdgomareobamde

swored maT miiyvanes. fuli

tomrebiT ariges da erovnuli

valuta mospes. axla ki opozicias

abraleben. arada, ekonomika

xelovnur sunTqvamde manamde

iyo, sanam opozicia aqciebs daiwyebda.

amaT xalxi ekidaT. axla ki

xalxi daikidebs maT. xalxma Tavisuflebis

surneli igrZno da,

weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos, amas ve-

Raraferi gaaCerebs!

N28 (330) 10.11-16.11.2020 w.

9


`sanam pirSi suli midgas,

gabrazebuli var. ise, ubral-

giorgi abaSiZe

od ki ara, Zalian gabrazebuli

var! darwmunebuli var, rom am

qveyanaSi yvela saRad moazrovne adamiani CemsaviT Zalian gabrazebulia,

radgan xmebi mogvpares da arCevnebi gagviyalbes, magram

piradad me Zalian gabrazebisTvis sxva sababic maqvs _ vi-

Rac erTujrediani dupletebi socialur qselSi genialur kar-

diologs, anzor melias Tavs mxolod imitom esxmian, rom nikas

mamaa! am erTujrediani dupletebis diagnozi „qocobaa”! diax,

„qocoba”, karga xania, diagnozia, diagnozi, romelic, saube-

durod, ar ikurneba da „qocobiT” daavadebulebs verc anzor

melia gankurnavs, Tumca Cemi respondenti ambobs, rom bolom-

de ibrZolebs, rom am qveynis saTaveSi iseTi xelisufleba mo-

vides, romelic qarTul saqmes gaakeTebs da xalxs mixedavs!

ise, sanam intervius Semog-

TavazebT, im emociur gancxadebas

gagaxsenebT, romelic

ramdenime dRis win, anu maSin,

roca xelisuflebam nika melias

xelaxali dasja gadawyvita

da e. w. eleqtrosamajuris moxsnis

gamo prokuraturam enm-s

politsabWos liderisTvis aRkveTi

RonisZiebis gamkacrebis

moTxovniT sasamarTlos mimar-

Ta, anzor meliam sasamarTlos

ezoSi gaakeTa:

„nika isjeba samSoblos siyvarulis

gamo, CemTvis gansakuTrebiT

mZimea es yvelaferi

imitom, rom mSobeli var! patimrobaSi

myofi nika melia ufro

saSiSi iqneba am mTavrobis-

Tvis, vidre gareT myofi.

Tqvenc xedavdiT, Tu ra upiratesobiT

igebda da Semdeg

rogor datrialda yvelaferi.

SeuZlebelia, rom mSvidad uyuro

am situacias, miT umetes,

rom Seni Svilia. Cemi Svilia da

yovelTvis Cems Tavs vusvam xolme

kiTxvas, ratom Cemi Svili?

magram Tu ara Cemma Svilma,

vin unda gaakeTos qarTuli saqme?

bavSvobidan gamoirCeoda

Tavisi gulwrfelobiT, patiosnebiT,

vaJkacobiT, tyuili

man ar icoda, lideri iyo!

ar unda am mTavrobas aseTi

adamianebi, saqarTvelos ki

sWirdeba imitom, rom sxvanairad

daviRupebiT!

yvela dargi ispoba, xom xedaven

TviTonac? kobaxiZem gamoiaros

da naxos, rogor suls

vRafavT eqimebi da klinikebi,

ramxela fasebi aqvs wamlebs,

avadmyofebi ver yiduloben da

nika aris, Turme, teroristi.

girao erTxel gadaixada nikam,

bina CavdeT da erTsa da

imave saqmeze orjer xom ar gadaixdis?

am mTavrobisgan yvelafers

cuds velodebiT da ukve mzad

varT me da Cemi meuRle _ nika

rom wavida politikaSi da dinebis

sawinaaRmdegod airCia

moZraoba, mSobeli ras unda

elodos?

taSiT ivaniSvili magas ar

daajildoebs. bevrjer hqondaT

mcdeloba, gadaebirebinaT

nika, magram ar gamouvidaT da

axla patimroba surT, Tumca

unda icodes, rom patimrobaSi

myofi nika ufro saSiSi iqneba

am mTavrobisTvis, vidre gareT!”

sabednierod, mamis prognozi

ar gamarTlda _ „ocnebam”

nika melias daWera ver gabeda

da mxolod imas dasjerda, rom

damatebiT 40 aTasis gadaxda

daakisra. rogorc anzor melia

„qronika+~-sTan ambobs, am Tanxis

gadaxdas ar apireben.

mokled, Cveni gamocema gTavazobT

eqskluziur inter-

vius anzor meliasTan:

_ batono anzor, yvelam viciT,

rom „ocnebam” xalxs xme-

bi mohpara, magram isic viciT,

rom pirvel adgilze moparvis

gareSec gavidoda. hoda, Tqve-

ni azriT, ivaniSvilis gundma

arCevnebi ase totalurad ra-

tom gaayalba?

_ amaze mec bevrs vfiqrob...

mTavroba arCevnebis gasayalbeblad

rom emzadeboda, amas

kobaxiZisa da kalaZis gamosvlebic

adasturebs, romlebic

ambobdnen, 60 procentze mets

aviRebTo, arada, xalxis ganwyoba

zustad icodnen da ician.

amitom mzad iyvnen, xaxvi, kartofili,

pomidori da kidev ra-

Racebi, maT Soris, fulic daerigebinaT,

magram ar elodnen,

rom koronavirusis epidemiis

gamo saarCevno ubnebTan amdeni

raodenobis adamiani mividoda.

is rezervi ki, romelic

„ocnebas” xalxis mosasyidad

hqonda gamoyofili, sakmarisi

ar aRmoCnda.

sxvaTa Soris, TavianTi Sida

kvlevebiTac icodnen, rom xalxis

ganwyoba maT mimarT uaryofiTi

iyo da mxolod im Sem-

TxvevaSi gaimarjvebdnen, Tu

amomrCevlis aqtiuroba naklebi

iqneboda, magram piriqiT moxda.

„ocneba” gamouval mdgomareobaSi

aRmoCnda da, xelisuflebis

dakargvis SiSiT qaosuri

gadawyvetileba miiRo, rom ar-

Cevnebi gaeyalbebina, raSic gamocdili

qalbatoni Jvania daexmara.

amitom qarTveli eris

winaSe am qalbatonma aucileblad

unda agos pasuxi!

ise, „mTavarma arxma” Jvanias

im daqalebisa da Zmakacebis

gvarebi gamoaqvyena, romlebic

gayalbebaSi monawileobdnen..

is, rac maT gaakeTes, samarcxvinoa

_ TiTqos ar ician, rom

orjer ori oTxia!

darwmunebuli var, opozicias

Zalac eyofa da energiac,

es gayalbebebi daasabuTos, saaSkaraoze

gamoitanos da mTel

msoflios aCvenos, rom saqar-

TveloSi arCevnebi gayalbda!

amas qarTveli xalxi aravis apatiebs!

_ geTanxmebiT, magram, ba-

tono anzor, weRan pandemia

axseneT da, erT kiTxvas am ko-

nteqstSi dagisvamT, anu amas

winaT mixeil saakaSvilma ga-

nacxada, kovidinficirebulTa

raodenobas „ocneba” xalxis

dasaSineblad beravso. zogadad,

es mosazreba sazogadoebaSic

musirebs. Tqven, rogorc

eqims, risi Tqma SegiZli-

aT, xelisufleba koronas xa-

lxis protestis Sesakaveblad

xom ar iyenebs?

_ TbilisSi uamravi cxeleb-

anzor melia:

`nika magaT ar

dauTmobs _

fizikuradac Zlieria,

ganaTlebulicaa,

vaJkacicaa da, aba,

romelime Seejibros!~

is centria, Tumca miuxedavad

amisa, saavadmyofoebi isea gadatvirTuli,

rom ori dRe

damWirda, koviddadasturebuli

pacienti specializebul

klinikaSi gadameyvana. SeiZleba,

zogs sezonuri gripic aqvs...

saerTod, mosaxleoba gripis

vaqcinas ikeTebs da kovidinficirebulTa

ricxvi, albaT,

Semcirdeba. axla ki ar mgonia,

es ricxvi Zalian gaberili iyos,

radgan adgilebi marTla

araa.

_ mokled, xalxs korona

utevs, xelisufleba ki, imis

nacvlad, rom pandemias ebrZo-

los, Tqvens vaJs esxmis Tavs.

arada, privatul saubrebSi

„qocebic” ki amboben rom gl-

danSi arCevnebi upirobod nika

meliam moigo. „ocneba” nikas

winaaRmdeg e. w. specoperacias

`mTelma saqarTvelom icis, nikas rogor moeqcnen

da parlamentidan rogor gamoabunZules. is

parlamentarebi, romlebic nikas arakacurad

moeqcnen, istoriaSi Savi asoebiT Sevlen - maT

kolega dasaWerad gawires da ar mgonia, es

kargi saqcieli iyos, miT umetes, rom yvelam

icis, nika maqinaciebSi CarTuli araa!~

specoperaciaze ratom atar-

ebs?

_ mTelma saqarTvelom icis,

nikas rogor moeqcnen da parlamentidan

rogor gamoabunZules.

is parlamentarebi, romlebic

nikas arakacurad moeqcnen,

istoriaSi Savi asoebiT

Sevlen _ maT kolega dasaWerad

gawires da ar mgonia, es kargi

saqcieli iyos, miT umetes, rom

yvelam icis, nika maqinaciebSi

CarTuli araa!

amas imitom ar vambob, rom

Cemi Svilia. bavSvobidan aseTia

_ tyuils ver itans, pirdapiri

da Zalian mozomilia, anu bebia,

dedis deda, raWveli iyo

da nikasac raWuli simSvide da

Tavdajerebuloba aqvs. wyobidan

rom gamoiyvano da mis Tavmoyvareobaze

imoqmedo, Zalian

unda moindomo. politikam

ki, xom xedavT, rogor daZaba.

samSoblos Ralatsa da TvalTmaqcobas

ver itans. nikasaviT

sufTa pirovneba kobaxiZes awyobs,

mdinaraZes, milioner kalaZes

Tu „vardo mrecxavs”?

nikas Tavi erT biznesSic ar

aqvs Cayofili. rac gvaqvs, Cemidan

da Cemi mSoblebidan modis!

nikas materialurad araferi

Seuqmnia.

me da Cemma meuRlem mxolod

kargi swavla-ganaTleba miveciT,

ojaxisa da samSoblos siyvaruli

CavunergeT! nikasnairi

patiosnebi RmerTma gvimravlos!

sxvaTa Soris, 5 Tve nika

ar menaxa, 31 oqtombers vnaxe

da aRfrTovanebuli davrCi.

_ ratom?

_ mis gverdiT mxolod jansaRi,

ganaTlebuli, nakiTxi da

Zalian erTguli axalgazrdebi

trialeben!

rac Seexeba imas, Tu ratom

gaxda nika „ocnebisTvis” aseTi

miuRebeli, gldans _ amxela

ubans igebda da amitom! kobiaSvili

maJoritari oTxi weli

iyo, magram mosaxleobas arc

unaxavs. nikam ki, saarCevno kampaniis

dros, TiToeuli ojaxi

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bolomde vibrZoleb!~

Semoiara, xalxis tkivili gul-

Tan axlos miitana da adamianebic

endnen!

sxvaTa Soris, Cemi pacientebi,

romlebic gldanSi cxovroben,

nikaze aRfrTovanebulebi

miyvebian. „ocnebam” swored es

saerTo siyvaruli ver aitana.

parlamentSi nika gaerTianebuli

opoziciisTvis Zalian didi

Zala iqneboda.

_ e. i., nika opoziciis yve-

laze qarizmatuli lideria?

_ diax, qarizmatulicaa, ni-

Wieric da sufTac!

nikas gamosvlebs xom xedavT

da usmenT? _ SeiZleba, zogjer

Tqva, Zalian pirdapiriao, ma-

`TavianTi Sida kvlevebiTac icodnen, rom xalxis ganwyoba maT mimarT

gram sxvanairad ver moiqceva,

uaryofiTi iyo da mxolod im SemTxvevaSi gaimarjvebdnen, Tu amomrCevlis

roca TeTrze eubnebian, Savi-

aqtiuroba naklebi iqneboda, magram piriqiT moxda. òcneba~ gamouval

ao, Savze ki _ TeTrio.

mdgomareobaSi aRmoCnda da, xelisuflebis dakargvis SiSiT qaosuri

parlamentSi „qocebi” erTsa

da imaves imeorebdnen da

gadawyvetileba miiRo, rom arCevnebi gaeyalbebina, raSic gamocdili

Zalian didi moTmineba unda

qalbatoni Jvania daexmara. amitom qarTveli eris winaSe am qalbatonma

gqondes, rom ar Seepasuxo. nika

aucileblad unda agos pasuxi!~

magaT ar dauTmobs! fizikuradac

Zlieria, ganaTlebulicaa,

vaJkacicaa da aba, romelime

Seejibros!

_ sxvaTa Soris, eleqtrosa-

majuris demonstraciulad

moxsnis Semdeg prokuraturam

nikasTvis jer aRmkveTi Roni-

sZiebis patimrobiT, mere ki _

70 aTasiT giraoTi Secvla mo-

rveli girao rom gadagexadaT,

bina CadeT. axali giraos Tanx-

as rogor gadaixdiT?

_ jer erTi, nika arafers

gadaixdis! meorec, sololakSi,

istoriul saxlSi, 5-oTaxiani

bina 30 aTasze meti ar Rirs?

giraoSi swored es binaa Cadebuli.

hoda, kargad Seafason,

enc xom ar gaxdiT?

_ ara da janmrTelobis dacvis

saministrosi Zalian madlobeli

var _ zewola erTxelac

ar migrZvnia, arada, am

saministros SeeZlo, rom Cemze

emoqmeda da am periodSi Cems

winadadebebs yovelTvis ixilaven!

saerTod, zogierTi

sxvaTa Soris, avstrieli

profesori myavs, romelic

evropaSi saukeTeso specialistia

da „gulSi” kardio-qirurgad

muSaobs. orjer eqvsTviani

licenzia hqonda, 30 oqtombers

ki, miuxedavad imisa, rom nika

melias mamasTan muSaobs, mudmivi

licenzia misces!

iTxova. Tqven ivaraudeT, dai-

gadaiangariSon da hqondeT! Tu klinikis xelmZRvaneliviT

_ kargia, Tu Svilis poli-

Wereno.

_ diax, megona, daWerdnen.

gamogvasaxleben, gamogvasaxlon!

saministroSi kviraSi xuTjer

ar davdivar _ aRarc maxsovs,

tikuri mosazrebebis gamo

„ocneba” mamas ar sjis!

_ sabednierod, Tqveni gum-

_ ise, batono anzor, nikas

bolos rodis viyavi, Tumca

batono anzor, rogori

ani ar gamarTlda. batono anzor,

rogor fiqrobT, „ocneb-

am” daWera ratom gadaifiqra?

gamo politikuri represiebisa

da zewolis msxverpli Tqv-

SeiZleba, telefoniT davreko

an mivwero...

molodini gaqvT _ yvelaferi

is, rac axla qveyanaSi xdeba,

riT dasruldeba?

_ sazogadoebis SeeSinda!

_ anu?

rac Seexeba imas, Tu ratom gaxda nika

òcnebisTvis~ aseTi miuRebeli, gldans -

_ sixarulisgan cremlebi

momdioda, roca vuyurebdi, sxvadasxva

politikuri organzi-

_ nikas daWera xelisufleb-

amxela ubans igebda da amitom! kobiaSvili

isTvis Zalian wamgebiani iqneboda

_ xalxi gaerTianeboda,

rogor awerdnen, parlamentSi

mosaxleobas arc unaxavs. nikam ki, saarCevno

radgan nika mxolod „naciona-

ar SevalTo. diax, mixaria, rom

kampaniis dros, TiToeuli ojaxi Semoiara,

luri moZraobis” ki ara, gaer-

yvela erTad dgas da Sedegis

aciis warmomadgenlebi xels

maJoritari oTxi weli iyo, magram

Tianebuli opoziciis kandi-

xalxis tkivili gulTan axlos miitana da

miRwevas civilizebuli, samardati

iyo. saerTod, SeuZlebe-

adamianebic endnen! sxvaTa Soris, Cemi

Tlebrivi meTodiT cdilobs!

li ram moxda.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ „evropulma saqarTvelom,”

pacientebi, romlebic gldanSi cxovroben,

nikaze aRfrTovanebulebi miyvebian. òcnebam~

swored es saerTo siyvaruli ver aitana.

ivaniSvils ar unda egonos,

rom misi monebi varT! ara, Cven

monebi ar varT!

leiboristebma da sxva partie-

parlamentSi nika gaerTianebuli

simarTle giTxraT, CemTvis

bmac nika waradgines. igive daviT

WiWinaZec mxars uWerda,

eba. mTavaria, xelisuflebam

sul erTia, mTavrobaSi vin iqn-

opoziciisTvis Zalian didi Zala iqneboda~

nino burjanaZec da giorgi

vaSaZec. mokled, yvela mxars

uWerda, rac axali movlena da

talRa iyo.

albaT, isic gaxsovT, rom

nika xazs arasodes usvamda,

„nacionaluri” partiis warmomadgeneli

varo. is ambobda,

gaerTianebul opozicias warmovadgen

da bednieri var, rom

xalxi mendoo.

erTi sityviT, „ocneba” swored

amas ver itanda, Torem nika

mxolod „nacionalebis” warmomadgeneli

rom yofiliyo,

SeiZleba, kidev moeTmina...

mokled, „ocneba” ukve gakotrebulia!

_ diax, asea da „ocnebis” gakotreba

SeuiaraRebeli Tval-

iTac Cans, Tumca sasamarTlom

nikas damatebiT 40 aTasis gadaxda

daakisra. cnobilia, pi-

qarTuli saqme gaakeTos, ekonomika

gaaZlieros da xalxis

socialuri mdgomareoba gaaumjobesos!

ivaniSvils es kobaxiZe, mdinaraZe

Tu „mrecxavi vardo” vin

hyavs? parlamentidan eseni unda

moiSoros! yvela, visac Wkua

moekiTxeboda, gauSva da eseniRa

daitova. naxeT, ra qonebebs

floben da eseni nikaze

laparakoben?!

erT ambavs mogiyvebiT.

_ diax, gismenT.

_ Cemma qaliSvilma qeTevan

wamebulis gamzirze mSenebare

binaSi fuli Seitana _ krediti

aiRo, gaaremonta da cxovrobs.

hoda, daweres, es nika

melias binaao.

isic daweres, nika melias

kotoraanTkarSi agaraki aqvso.

arada, am agaraks 40 welia,

vaSeneb da bolomde Zlivs

miviyvane _ nika, albaT, dabadebidan

akeTebda.

Cemi sasoflo-sameurno miwis

nakveTic, Turme, nikas Seu-

Zenia. arada, es nakveTi arabebs

unda eyidaT. mezobelma miTxra,

anzor, or dolarad yidian

da modi, Sen iyide, sofelSi

arabebi gvindao? mokled, miwis

es nakveTi ase viyide, axla ki

didi fasi daedo _ kvadratuli

20 Tu 25 dolari Rirs.

amdeni xnis eqimi var da,

rogor fiqrobT, imis SesaZlebloba

ar meqneboda, rom

kvadratulSi ori dolari gadamexada?

_ amis SesaZlebloba, ra Tq-

ma unda, geqnebodaT _ batono

anzor, Tqven xom Zalian cno-

bili da genialuri eqimi xarT!

_ sxvaTa Soris, soflis

meurneoba miyvars da or

heqtarze xuTi-eqvsi tona xorbali

momyavs.

mokled, axla ise gamohyavT,

rom es miwis nakveTic TiTqos

nikam SeiZina. sircxvilia! nikas

erTi metric ki ar aqvs nayidi!

ise, aRsrulebis biuros xelmZRvaneli

rom iyo, nikam

krediti aiRo da WonqaZeze, sadac

adre vcxovrobdiT, ori

oTaxi iyida, magram krediti

erTi welic ver gadaixada _ es

mTavroba movida da gaaTavisufla.

amitom im kreditis gadaxdac

me momiwia.

...vin, vin da, Tqven mainc iciT,

rogori winaaRmdegi viyavi,

rom nika politikaSi wasuliyio!

Cemi meuRle ki Cemze ufro

winaaRmdegi iyo, magram im

dRes, rac nikam Tqva, gavocdi.

_ nikam ra Tqva?

_ dedamisis mesiji waikiTxa,

bolomde ibrZoleo!

Cemi meuRle sul sxvanairi

qalia, magram amaTi moqmedeba

ukve yvelas yelSi amogvivida!

_ bolos, batono anzor, ni-

kas ras urCevT?

_ bolomde ibrZolos da

mec, sanam pirSi suli midgas,

bolomde vibrZoleb! Tu am saqmis

bolomde miyvanas ver Se-

Zlebs, maSin iseTi biWi ezrdeba

_ sandro melia, rom yvela

melias gadaujokravs!

_ batono anzor, warmatebas

gisurvebT. mjera, yvelaferi

kargad iqneba da simarTle

aucileblad gaimarjvebs!

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faruli Canawerebi teleko-

mpania „imedmac” gamoaqveyna.

oRond am Canawerebs xalxSi

aranairi reaqcia ar mohyolia.

arc isini Sewuxebulan, visac

Canawerebi gamouqveynes.

Canawerebis gamoqveynebas mS-

vidad Sexvda „nacionaluri

moZraobis” wevri zviad kuprava.

mas sasacilodac ar hyofnis im

Canaweris Sinaarsi, rac gamoqvey-

nda. ambobs, rom yvela eTerSi

imas acxadebs, razedac im Canaw-

erSi saubrobda. mas is ufro

gaukvirdeboda,

meocnebeebs

yuradRebis gareSe rom da-

etovebinaT.

raze metyvelebs samTavrobo

mediis mier faruli Canawerebis

gamoqveyneba? ras hpirdeba xe-

lisuflebis warmomadgenlebs?

ratom iqneba xalxisa da opoz-

iciis gaCereba SeuZlebeli? _

amis Sesaxeb „qronika+~-s zviad

kuprava esaubreba:

_ zviad, ras gvetyviT im

Canawerze, romelic telekompa-

nia „imedis” eTerSi gavida?

_ ra unda vTqva? amiT „qar-

Tulma ocnebam” daamtkica, rom

yvelas usmens da uTvalTvalebs.

egonaT, am Canaweris gasvlis Semdeg

erTi ambavi atydeboda, magram

maTi molodini ar gamarTlda.

imas, rac „imedis” mier gavrcelebul

CanawerSi vambob, yvela

eTerSi vityvi da araerTxelac

miTqvams. amdenad, problema araa,

saubari rom gamoaqveynes. problema

isaa, rom farulad da

ukanonod gvismenen.


ukanonod gismenen? iqneb, sasa-

marTlos nebarTviT giTval-

Tvaleben?

_ da ratom unda gasces sasamarTlom

es nebarTva? romeli

damnaSave me var, rom miTvalTvalon?

tv „imedi” ufro lamazad

gamoCndeboda, am Canawerze komentari

rom eTxova. igives gavimeorebdi,

rasac im CanawerSi vambob.

aravis am Canawerebis ar eSinia.

am CanawerebiT xelisufleba

Seecada, opoziciis warmomadgenlebi

gaeSavebina da xalxisTvis

eCvenebina, rom Cven raRacas

vapirebT. meore mxriv, xalxis

daSinebasac cdiloben da hgoniaT,

rom sazogadoeba yvelafers

aitans. vinc ase fiqrobs, maT

imedi unda gavucruo _ qarTveli

xalxi ukanonobas arasdros

Seegueba, qarTveli xalxi cxvari

ar aris da is aucileblad gascems

pasuxs moZalade xelisuflebas.

_ moZalades yvela pasuxobs

bolos. cxvars rac Seexeba, erT-

xel cxvaric ki cxardeba. qa-

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`qarTulma ocnebam~ ivaniSvils

saocnebo xelisufleba xSirad

Sorena marsagiSvili

usvams xazs im garemoebas, rom „na-

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cionaluri moZraoba” yvelas usmen-

da da yvelas uTvalTvalebda. saakaSvi

vilis xelisuflebis dros mosmenebi da TvalTvali Cveuli am-

bavi iyo, magram es ucxo arc „qarTuli ocnebisTvis” aris. „naci-

onalebi” Tu, ZiriTadad, oponentebs usmendnen, „ocneba” sakuTar

wevrebsac uTvalTvalebs. es im „danosebidanac” gaxda cnobili,

romlebic susSi iwereboda da Semdeg mediis xelSi aRmoCnda.

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zviad kuprava:

rTvelebs gvaqvs aseTi gamoTq-

ma: cxvari cxvaria, magram Tu

gacxarda, cxariao.

_ cxvaric cxardeba, magram

qarTvel xalxs araviTar SemTxvevaSi

ar Sevadareb cxvars. es

rom asea, amaSi male ivaniSvilic

darwmundeba. ivaniSvilma isic

unda icodes, rom mas verc komendantis

saaTis SemoReba uSvelis.

_ xelisufleba ambobs, rom es

araa komendantis saaTi, maTi

ganmartebiT, es aris gadaadg-

ilebis SezRudva.

_ rac unda, is daarqvan, es

aris komendantis saaTi da vimeoreb,

is Sedegs ver moutans

„qarTul ocnebas”. amiT saprotesto

ganwyoba ar Seneldeba.

_ isev mosmenis Temas davu-

brundeT. yvelas rom usmenen,

viciT, magram ra principiT

gamoyares Canawerebi? Tqveni

Canaweri ratom gamoagdes?

Tqven xom ar xarT politikuri

partiis lideri?

_ es kiTxva xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebs

unda dausvaT. isini

ukeT axsnian, ra principiT

gamoqveynda Canawerebi. Tavis

marTlebas namdvilad ar vapireb

da arc imas vityvi, rom es me ar

var. CemTvis saintereso da mniSvnelovani

xalxis ganwyobaa. dRes

sazogadoebas ar ainteresebs arc

erTi politikosis brifingi. mis-

Tvis umniSvneloa nebismieri

politikuri gancxadeba. sazogadoebas

axla mxolod erTi ramis

garkveva surs, _ ra gegmiT apirebs

opozicia arsebuli ukanonobis

winaaRmdeg brZolas? arsebuli

krizisidan qveyanas mxolod

gegma da moqmedeba gamoiyvans.

krizisSia Tavad „qarTuli

ocnebac”. krizisSi rom ar iyvnen,

oponentebis ukanono TvalTvalsa

da miyuradebas ar daiwyebdnen.

zemoTac mkiTxeT, _ iqneb,

sasamarTlom gasca Tqvens mosmenasa

da TvalTvalze nebarTvao?

amis aranairi safuZveli ar hqondaT.

Tu imis gamo mismenen, jarimebs

rom ar vixdi, es sxva

saqmea.

_ ra jarimebs ar ixdiT?

_ risi gadaxdac sasamarTlom

damakisra. amis gamo ara mgonia,

mosmenis nebarTva gaecaT.

_ mTlad aseTi darwmunebulic

nu iqnebiT. mase, sxvisi Tef-

Sidan Wamis gamoc ar unda gaeS-

viT cixeSi, magram sasamarTlom

sxvanairad gadawyvita.

_ sasamarTlom Tu marTla

gasca Cems mosmenaze nebarTva, es

kidev uaresi krizisis maniSnebelia.

sasamarTlo mosmenaze nebarTvas

im SemTxvevaSi gascems, Tu

amisTvis realuri safuZveli arsebobs.

Cems SemTxvevaSi ra safuZveli

unda hqonodaT? kriminaluri

cxovrebiT arasdros micxovria

da CemTan ra esaqmebaT?

me Tavi damanebon da badri esebuas

mousminon. kacma naxevari

milioni gaitaca da dRemde misi

kvalisTvisac ver miugniaT. Cemi

devna da TvalTvalic magari

uazrobaa.

_ uazroba ratom aris?

_ faqtobrivad, arsad davdivar,

saxli da Stabi aris Cemi marSruti.

zogjer romelime televiziaSi

mivdivar. kriminalebTan

Sexeba ar maqvs da ratom unda

viyo xelisuflebisTvis saintereso?

saintereso imitom var,

rom politikur procesebSi CaverTe.

faqtia, „qarTul ocnebas”

Zalian vaRizianeb.

_ adre rame Canaweri rom

vrceldeboda, erTi ambavi tyde-

boda. axla xalxma reagirebis

gareSe gaatara Canawerebi. es

risi bralia, daiRala xalxi am-

deni Canaweris mosmeniT?

`xalxs cvlilebebi

sWirdeba da ara _

faruli

Canawerebi~

_ daRla arafer SuaSia. ubralod,

iseTi Canaweri gamoagdes,

razedac reaqcia arc unda yofiliyo.

am saubarSi, rac me gamomiqveynes,

yvelaze mZime sityva

aris „dedas movu...av”. rasac aq

vambob, igives vacxadeb satelevizio

eTerebSic. ubralod am

mZime sityvas ar viyeneb.

_ viTom, am sityvam SeZra

„qarTuli ocneba”? am zmnas maTi

liderebic xSirad iyeneben da

amis damadasturebeli saubre-

bic mogvismenia.

_ viRacisTvis es SeiZleba

cudi mosasmeni iyos, vgulisxmob

xalxs, magram bodiSs mainc ar

movixdi, radganac es gancxadeba

romelime satelevizo eTerSi ar

gamikeTebia. es iyo kerZo saubari.

ar gamovricxav, rom am ginebis

gamo sasamarTlom administraciuli

saxis jarima damakisros. ar

gadavixdi da eg iqneba.

_ amis gamo ar SegeqmnebaT

problema?

_ ra problema unda Semeqmnas?

`kriminaluri cxovrebiT arasdros micxovria

da CemTan ra esaqmebaT? me Tavi damanebon da

badri esebuas mousminon. kacma naxevari

milioni gaitaca da dRemde misi kvalisTvisac

ver miugniaT. Cemi devna da TvalTvalic

magari uazrobaa~

isedac 20.000 larze meti odenobis

jarima maqvs gadasaxdeli.

sadac 20.000, iq metic iyos. sisulelea

am Canawerebis gamoqveyneba,

iseve rogorc am viTarebaSi

komendantis saaTis SemoReba. „qarTuli

ocneba” sisuleles sisuleleze

akeTebs. gadawyvetilebebs

iq mxolod biZina iRebs da

mrCeba STabeWdileba, rom ivaniSvils

am yvelafers uCaliCeben.

_ vin uCaliCebs?

_ sakuTari gundis wevrebi.

_ ratom ggoniaT, rom uCal-

iCeben?

_ am daZabul viTarebaSi komendantis

saaTis SemoReba, ga-

CaliCebaa, aba, ra aris?!

_ TqvenTvis, opoziciisTvis,

ratom iyo es gadawyvetileba

moulodneli? seqtembridan midis

saubari imaze, rom arCevneb-

is Semdeg Caketavdnen qveyanas.

eqimebic aalaparakes saTavisod.

maT Segvamzades, rom koronis

gavrcelebis piki noembris Sua

ricxvebSi iqneboda.

_ raRacisTvis rom emzadebodnen,

es yvelafridan Canda. 31

oqtombers aq arnaxulad gayalbda

arCevnebi. aman xalxSi didi

protesti gamoiwvia. xalxi quCa-

Sia gamosuli da aseT dros acxadeb

komendantis saaTs, es cota

gaugebaria. sul tyuilad aqvs

„qarTul ocnebasa” da ivaniSvils

imis imedi, rom quCaSi gamosuli

xalxi komendantis saaTis dadgomisTanave

Tavs daadebs da saxlebSi

wava.

_ ar wavlen saxlebSi da daa-

jarimeben an daakaveben.

_ erT an or adamians daajarimeben

kidevac da cixeSic gauSveben,

magram 2000-s, 3000-sa da

10.000-s kacs ras mouxerxeben? amdeni

adamianis dakaveba da dajarimeba

fizikurad SeuZlebeli

iqneba. vnaxoT, ra suraTi gvaqvs

TbilisSi: yvela raions hyavs 10

sapatrulo ekipaJi. am 10 ekipa-

Jidan yoveldRe mudmivad 2 an 3

manqanaa gamosuli mwyobridan.

TiTo raionSi dRis ganmavloba-

Si 8 ekipaJi gamodis. TbilisSi

aris 10 raioni da mTlianobaSi 80

sapatrulo ekipaJi moZraobs.

_ 80 manqanaze meti ar dadis

dedaqalaqSi?

_ ara, 80 manqanaze meti ar

dadis. SeiZleba aRqma sxvanairia,

magram realoba sul sxvaa. vTq-

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komendantis saaTi gauCaliCa~

vaT da Rame, komendantis saaTis

dros, protestis gamosaxatavad

gamovida 2000 adamiani, maT ra

resursiT gaswvdeba sapatrulo

policia? fizikurad manqanebi ar

hyavT, rom protestis gamosaxatavad

gamosul adamianebs sdion.

_ devnisTvis sxva uwyebebis

manqanebs gamoiyeneben.

_ gamoricxulia. devnis ganxorcieleba

mxolod 80-mde sapatrulo

ekipaJs SeuZlia. upiratesoba

aris Cvens mxares. am

viTarebaSi komendantis saaTis

SemoReba aris gaumarTlebeli.

amaT SemoiRes da amitomac arian

sulelebi. ar vici, ra undaT,

magram upiratesoba aSkarad Cvens

mxaresaa. amitom giTxariT zeviT,

rom biZinas uCaliCeben-meTqi. mis

adgilze imas movTxovdi pasuxs,

vinc ambobda, rom 22-dan dilis

5 saaTamde komendantis saaTi

unda dawesdes.

_ drois am monakveTSi gada-

adgilebis SezRudvas ra azri

aqvs? korona drois am monakveT-

Si daSliginebs da sxva dros

isvenebs?

_ koronis gavrcelebis

SezRudvis sababiT komendantis

saaTis gamarTleba kidev ufro

sasaciloa. vin daadgina, rom korona

Rame vrceldeba da dRe

saSiSi ar aris? es SezRudvebi

pirdapir kavSirSia gayalbebul

arCevnebTan. Rame xalxi isedac

ar dadis quCaSi da SezRudvebis

daweseba sisulelea.

_ imisTvis, rom xalxi gareT

ar gamovides, komendantis saa-

Tis daweseba sulac araa saWiro.

komendantis saaTis gareSec

aRar gamodis xalxi gareT da es

kriminalis damsaxurebaa.

_ „qarTulma ocnebam” kriminali

SesaniSnav mgomareobaSi Caayena.

amis gamo RamiT gareT gamosvla

ukve Zalian saSiSi gaxda.

komendantis saaTis daweseba

saWiro marTla ar iyo.

_ kriminalebze gadavediT da

arCevnebze aseTi mentalobis

adamianebi mravlad vixileT

saarCevno ubnebTan.

_ 2012 wlamde Zveli biWebi da

kriminalebi saarCevno ubnebTan

aravis unaxavs. es aris „qarTuli

ocnebis” nouhau. aqamde maTi daxmarebiT

kidev axerxebdnen raRacas.

axla isinic veRar uSvelian.

Zalian mZimed aqvT ivaniSvilsa da

mis partias saqme. SegviZlia vTqvaT,

rom „qarTuli ocneba” xelisuflebaSi

yofnis bolo

dReebs iTvlis.

_ „ocnebis” saqme kargad ar

midis, magram arc iseTi situaciaa,

rom xelisuflebaSi yof-

nis bolo dReebs iTvlidnen.

_ marTla bolo dReebs iTvlian.

komendantis saaTi „ocnebis”

politikur aRsasruls kidev

ufro daaCqarebs.

_ aSkarad optimisturad

xarT ganwyobili. igive ganwyobaa

sxva opozicionerebSic. cota

zedmet optimizmTan xom ar gvaqvs

saqme? opozicias isic gegonaT,

rom ivaniSvili amxela mas-

Stabis gayalbebas ver gabedav-

da, rac 31 oqtombers Caidina.

`2012 wlamde Zveli biWebi da kriminalebi saarCevno ubnebTan aravis unaxavs.

es aris `qarTuli ocnebis~ nouhau. aqamde maTi daxmarebiT kidev

axerxebdnen raRacas. axla isinic veRar uSvelian. Zalian mZimed aqvT

ivaniSvilsa da mis partias saqme. SegviZlia vTqvaT, rom `qarTuli ocneba~

xelisuflebaSi yofnis bolo dReebs iTvlis~

_ sxva gamosavali ar gvaqvs,

optimisturad unda viyoT ganwyobili.

aseT ganwyobaze xelisuflebis

wyalobiT varT. xelisufleba

rom ara, opozicia ase

optimisturad ar iqneboda ganwyobili.

_ ras gulisxmobT, iqneb,

ufro gasagebad gviTxraT?

_ ise gaayalba „ocnebam” arCevnebi,

iseTi Sedegi daiwera, rom

opozicias ukan dasaxevi gza,

ubralod, aRar dagvitova. ukan

dasaxevi gza sazogadoebasac mouWres.

roca adamianebs ukan dasaxev

gzas uspob, isini iZulebuli

arian, mxolod win iaron.

Cvens SemTxvevaSic asea _ ukan

dasaxevi gza ar aris, unda viaroT

mxolod win.

_ da es gaZlevT optimizmis

safuZvels?

_ diax, es maZlevs optimizmis

safuZvels. optimizmis safuZvels

yvelaze metad xalxis ganwyoba

maZlevs. garda imisa, rom

xalxi am gayalbebiT aRSfoTebu-

N28 (330) 10.11-16.11.2020 w.

lia, maT ubralod aRar undaT

„qarTuli ocneba” xelisufleba-

Si. maT xelSi qveyanas ganviTareba

ar uweria. sazogadoeba acnobierebs,

rom cvlilebebis droa.

es cvlilebebi male iqneba. saprotesto

ganwyoba ase ar Caivlis.

_ xelisuflebac ar zis

gulxeldakrefili. saprotesto

gamosvlebis dros SeiZleba,

daWerebis seria daiwyos.

_ daWerebis aravis eSinia. ivaniSvili

veravis veRar daaSinebs.

cvlilebebi aucileblad iqneba.

_ cvlilebebamde mravali

saqme aRiZvreba. irakli kobaxZem

susSi raRac mtkicebulebebi

miitana, saidanac, misi TqmiT,

Cans, rom opozicia cudi raRa-

cis mowyobas apirebda.

_ es Tema ukve sasacilo gaxda.

meramdened unda aRiZras

saqme gadatrialebis muxliT?

2012 wlis Semdeg meocnebeebi yvela

arCevnebis win gadatrialebaze

iwyeben saubars. ramdenime

wlis winaT maT mtkicebulebebic

`31 oqtombers aq arnaxulad gayalbda

arCevnebi. aman xalxSi didi protesti

gamoiwvia. xalxi quCaSia gamosuli da aseT

dros acxadeb komendantis saaTs, es cota

gaugebaria. sul tyuilad aqvs `qarTul

ocnebasa~ da ivaniSvils imis imedi, rom quCaSi

gamosuli xalxi komendantis saaTis

dadgomisTanave Tavs daadebs da saxlebSi wava~

warmoadgines.

_ ra mtkicebulebebi?

_ meoradi saburavebi. TiTqos

„nacionalebi” maTi daxmarebiT

apirebdnen aq areulobis mowyobas.

_ es saburavebi leqso Wikai-

Zis Ss ministrobis dros „aRmoa-

Cines”.

_ ki batono, maSin aRmoaCines.

maSin xalxs es sasacilodac ar

eyo. sazogadoebas arc axla sjera,

rom opozicia gadatrialebas

awyobs. sazogadoeba Tavad aris

xelisuflebis Secvlis msurveli.

ai, es maZlevs optimizmis

safuZvels. imaSic darwmunebuli

var, rom Zalian bevri adamiani

ivlis protestis gamosaxatavad.

_ isev kobaxiZis „samxilebs”

davubrundebi. Cven ki gvecine-

ba, magram darwmunebuli xarT,

rom am samxilebis safuZvelze

susi gadatrialebis braldebiT

romelime opozicioners ar

daakavebs? Tundac igive SaSkins

an devi WankotaZes? kobaxiZem

maT winaaRmdeg raRac mtkice-

bulebebi miitana.

_ kobaxiZis mtkicebulebebiT

vin unda daakavon? arc SaSkinisa

da arc WankotaZis dasakaveblad

xelisuflebas samarTlebrivi

safuZveli ar gaaCnia. ukanono

dakavebebs Tu daiwyeben, egre

yvelas dakaveba SeuZliaT. me, magaliTac,

sxvisi TefSidan Wamis

braldebiT damakaves. „qarTuli

ocneba” dRes krizisSia da ar

gamovricxav, rom Tavis gadasar-

Cenad dakavebebis seria daiwyon,

magram verc amiT gadairCnen

Tavs. am qveyanaSi 3 milionze meti

adamiani cxovrobs, umetesobas es

xelisufleba ar moswons da yvelas

dagviWeren? sad waiyvanen

amden patimars? daWerebze Tu

gadavlen, es saprotesto muxts

kidev ufro gaaZlierebs. sazogadoebas

„qarTuli ocnebis” aRar

sjera. arc SeTiTxnil braldebebsa

da sagangebod gamoyril

Canawerebs aRiqvams vinme seriozulad.

_ sazogadoebas xelisuflebis

mier warmodgenili Canawere-

bi ase araseriozulad arasdros

ar aRuqvams, rac, albaT, erTg-

vari diagnozia.

_ es diagnozia imisa, rom „ocnebis”

meTodebi aRar Wris. sazogadoebas

aRar unda am sibinZureebis

mosmena. dRes audioCanawerebi

gamoaqveynes, araa gamoricxuli,

xval piradi cxovrebis

amsaxveli kadrebi gamoyaron. sazogadoebas

amazedac ar eqneba

reaqcia. finjan yavaze ras saubroben

politikosebi, amaze skandalis

ageba Zalian sasaciloa.

_ rogorc gairkva, susi op-

oziciis garda „qarTuli ocneb-

is” wevrebsac usmens. es raze me-

tyvelebs?

_ es imaze metyvelebs, rom

ivaniSvilis partia ukve demoralizebulia.

TavianT xalxsac ki

aRar endobian. warmomidgenia, ra

dReSi Cavardebian „ocnebis” is

wevrebi, romlebmac gaiges, rom

maT farulad usmenen. es ambavi

naklebad madardebs. ramdenic

undaT, imdeni misminon da

miTvalTvalon, magram, aba, daurekeT

„ocnebis” im warmomadgenlebs,

romelTac usmenen. komentarsac

ki ver gaakeTeben.

_ ramdenime mediasaSualebam

scada maTTan dakavSireba, magram

momsaxurebis zonidan ari-

an gasulebi.

_ es kidev erTi maniSnebelia,

rom demoralizebulebi arian.

maT fonze opozicia Zalian laRi

da Tavisufalia. aSkaraa, rom

fsiqologiuri upiratesoba

Cvens mxaresaa. es asec unda iyos,

radganac Cven vibrZviT simarTlisTvis,

isini ki ukanono gzebiT

cdiloben Zalauflebis SenarCunebas.

_ ise, ar gegonaT, rom xe-

lisufleba mogismendaT?

_ simarTle giTxraT, amaze

arc ki mifiqria. romc mefiqra,

mainc igives vilaparakebdi, rasac

vlaparakob. rac undaT, is Caiweron,

me ukanonobas ar vakeTeb.

da rac mTavaria, xalxs amis ar

sjera. erTma internetgamocemam

dado Tavis gverdze es Canaweri

da unda naxoT, ra komentarebia

_ xalxs saerTod ar ainteresebs,

vin ras ityvis. xalxi cvlilebebs

elis. raRacas elodebian

trolebi da botebi.

_ ras elodebian? raRac

saeWvod arian trol-botebi

gasusulebi.

_ isinic fiqroben, rom cvlilebebis

droa. trolebic Cveulebrivi

adamianebi arian da ician,

rom maTi avi saqmeebis Sesaxeb

yvelafers gavigebT. yvelam movismineT

ori mTavari trolis

saubari. laSa nacvliSvili da Salva

ramiSvili Riad amboben, imdeni

ukanonoba gvaqvs Cadenili da

amis gamo jer ar davsjilvarTo.

_ ar gifiqriaT, rom maT Sg-

nebulad gamoagdes es nawyveti?

_ ara. saubris es nawili unda

amoeWraT. eTerSi ar gavida, magram

gasajarovda. TanamSromlebic

ver itanen am Salva ramiSvilsa

da nacvliSvils, romlebic

SiSoben, rom TavianT namoqmedarze

moet...aT deda. hoda, magaTive

terminologiiT rom vTqva: most...iaT

patroni.

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ès gayalbebebi Cveulebrivi

postsaarCevno saqarTveloSi

giorgi abaSiZe

movlenebi fatalurad viTardeba

da wyali ar gauva, „ocneba”, dRes

Tu ara xval, iZulebuli gaxdeba, ukan daixios, arCevnebis gay-

albeba aRiaros da xelisuflebidan wavides, Tumca rogorc

yvela wyalwaRebuli, ivaniSvilis gundic xavss ebRauWeba da

xalxis protestis ganeitralebas wylis WavliT cdilobs.

ise, „ocneba”, albaT, fiqrobda,

rom gayalbebuli arCevnebi,

rogorc ityvian, xaxviviT SerCeboda

da opoziciuri speqtri

parlamentSi Sevidoda, magram

moxda is, rasac mmarTveli gundi

ar eloda _ sruliad opoziciuri

speqtri meaTe mowvevis

parlaments boikots ucxadebs

da 31 oqtombris arCevnebs aralegitimurad

miiCnevs!

erT-erTi pirveli, vinc parlamentSi

Sesvlaze uari ganacxada,

partia „kanoni da samarTlis”

xelmZRvaneli, „strategia

aRmaSeneblis” erT-erTi lideri,

Tako Carkviani iyo.

„mokled da konkretulad

vityvi: mirekaven da milocaven

parlamentSi Sesvlas. gmad-

lobT, megobrebo, magram es ar

iyo Cveni (Cemi) mizani, anu dep-

utatoba, madloba, vinc xmebi

mogvca, magram cudi da katas-

trofa isaa, rom xelisufleba,

anu „ocneba” darCa totaluri

gayalbebis Sedegad. diax, al-

baT, ufro metad dafiqrdeba

„mavani” da fsevdoopoziciasac

ukeT dainaxavs, naadrevi zeimic

cota arasworia da premieri am

etapze saakaSvili ar iqneba, _

rom davwere, am etapze am poli-

tikur realobaSi-meTqi, bevrs

ar esiamovna, ver gaiges, ratom

vTqvi.

a, batono, rogorc vTqvi, isea

(Tavad Tqva adamianma, es realobaa

am etapze asea).

saTaveSi rusi oligarqia da

aq ki erTmaneTs jijgnis politikuri

speqtri, gamotenilia

„fsevdo tipebiT” da Tu vinme

niWieri gamoCnda, odnav gansxvavebuli

xedviT, „Caqolva” ar

ascdeba.

aki, vambobdi, kompasi gaasworeT

SuSis sasaxlisken-meTqi.

hoda... a, batono, axla viZaxoT

„gayalbebuli arCevnebi”. diax,

gayalbebulia da Suqic Caaqres

ubnebze da biuletenebsac iparavdnen,

daSineba, cema-tyepac

iyo da saCivrebic da videokadrebic

aris. ki batono, asea

udavod da mainc...

rusi oligarqi ivaniSvili darCa!”

_ dawera Tako Carkvianma

arCevnebis dasrulebidan ramdenime

saaTis Semdeg socialur

qselSi, Tumca am gancxadebidan

movlenebi elviseburi siswrafiT

icvleba.

yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT,

8 noembers, saRamos, „ocnebam”

ceskosTan Sekrebili mSvidobiani

momitingeebi wylis WavliT

daarbia.

„daimaxsovre!!! ar SegargebT,

yoveldRe miiReb permanentulad

protests, ar da ver ifeodaleb,

ver „imefeb”! saqarTveloSi a-ravis

gamosvlia xalxis Seuracxyofa!!!

dabolos: „araraobav, dedakaci

unda gerqvas Sen”!

...garewari xelisufleba ambobda,

rom kovidis gavrcelebis

eSinoda, wylis Wavli mSvidobian

momitingeebs rom miuSviT

gafrTxilebis gareSe, aRar

gaRelvebT kovidis gavrcelebis

saSiSroeba, Tqve farisevlebo?

xom viciT, rom wylis Wavli

gavrcelebas uwyobs xels?!!

aRar gaRelvebT xalxi da kovidi?

xalxi daSavda, Tqve TaRliTebo

da korufcionerebo!!!

es xom uaresia, ufro meti

xalxi mova da gagyriT kinwiskvriT!”

_ ase gamoexmaura socialur

qselSi Tako Carkviani 8 noebris

darbevas.

interviu, romelsac gTava-

zobT, „qronika+~-ma Tako Cark-

vianTan 7 noembers Cawera.

aqve, imasac getyviT, rom sxva

opoziciuri Zalebisgan gansxvavebiT,

„strategia aRmaSenebe-

li”, kerZod, Tako Carkviani,

gayalbebul oqmebs sasamarT-

loSi ki ara, prokuraturaSi

asaCivrebs da damnaSaveebis

sisxlis samarTlis wesiT das-

jas iTxovs!

_ Tako, praqtikulad, pirve-

li iyaviT, vinc ganacxada, rom

parlamentSi ar Seva...

_ diax, es gancxadeba arCevnebis

Ramesve, daaxloebiT, samis

wuTebze gavakeTe.

_ es gadawyvetileba sponta-

nurad miiReT?

_ ver vityvi, rom spontanurad

miviRe.

_ anu?

_ gavaanalize da mivxvdi, rom

parlamentSi xalxis ki ara, viRacis

mosamsaxured unda Sevide...

sxvaTa Soris, „strategia aRmaSenebels”

arasodes uTqvams,

parlamentSi meore Zala viqnebio,

magram yvela partiam daaxloebiT

icoda, ra rogor iqneboda.

Zalian beci unda iyo, warmodgena

rom ar gqondes, arCevnebi

SenTvis rogor wava, magram

warmoudgeneli ram moxda.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ jer oqmebi ar gvqonda, magram

savaraudo Sedegi vicodiT...

arasodes arc erT partiaSi

ar vyofilvar, magram roca qveyana

Tavze Camogvemxo, vTqvi,

politikaSi moval-meTqi da es

gadawyvetileba mxolod da mxolod

imitom miviRe, rom raRacis

gakeTeba minda. sakeklucod

da ivaniSvilis brZanebebis Sesasruleblad,

anu parlamentSi

formaluri opoziciis roliT

Sesvlas namdvilad ar vapireb!

sxvaTa Soris, erTi ram mixaria.

_ ra?

_ gayalbebis pirobebSic ki

ori Tvis Seqmnilma „strategia

aRmaSenebelma” oTxi mandati miiRo,

magram CvenTan winaaRmdegoba

aravisgan yofila da parlamentSi

arSesvlis gadawyvetileba

yvelam erTmniSvnelovnad miiRo!

_ gasagebia, rom „strategia

aRmaSeneblis” yvela wevrma am

gadawyvetilebas mxari dauWira,

magram, Cemi azriT, opoziciaSi

situacia Tqven „aWeriT”, anu

sajarod rom ar geTqvaT, par-

lamentSi ar Sevdivaro, rogor

fiqrobT, opozicia boikots

mainc gamoacxadebda?

_ imedi maqvs, rom am gadawyvetilebas

miiRebda. me is gavakeTe,

rac vigrZeni. saerTod,

iciT, rom angariSis gawevebi ar

miyvars, anu gadawyvetilebis

miRebisas aravis arafers vekiTxebi.

mTeli cxovreba amas vamtkiceb

da am arCevnebmac es daamt-

Tako Carkviani:

`ver ìmefeb~!

saqarTveloSi

xalxis

Seuracxyofa

aravis gamosvlia!~

kica, rom Ria da gulwrfeli politika

ufro sainteresoa. politika

binZuri maSinaa, roca binZuri

politikanebi akeTeben mas.

Cvens qveyanas maSin eSveleba,

roca kargad gavaanalizebT, rom

politika binZuri araa. sxvas angariSi

iseT rameSi unda gauwio,

rac qveyanas waadgeba, magram

principuli gadawyvetileba pirovnulad

unda miiRo da azri,

SesaZloa, mxolod politikur

partniors hkiTxo. ise, Zalian

mixaria, rom me da giorgi vaSaZem

es gadawyvetileba usityvod

miviReT!

_ marTalia, movlenebi dra-

matulad viTardeba, magram

politikur kuluarebSi mainc

musirebs mosazreba, rom romelime

opoziciurma partiam Sesa-

Zloa, gadawyvetileba Secvalos

da parlamentSi Sevides. aseTi

molodini Tqvenc gaqvT, Tako?

_ xom xedavT, ritorika cota

ìs, rac `girCma~ Tqva, ar veTanxmebi. cxadia,

yvelas SeuZlia, Tavisi azri hqondes, magram

aseTma frazam gaiJRera, Tu xelisufleba

daiklebso. daiklebs ras niSnavs? daiklebs,

ra, nucas skolaa? es arasamarTlebrivi

terminia... Cems partias `kanoni da

samarTali~ hqvia. hoda, modiT, axla es

termini - `daiklebs~ Jurnalisturad da

samarTlebrivad gadmovaqarTuloT: daiklebs,

e. i., gayalbebas aRiarebs. ase gamodis, ara?~

Seicvala.

_ „girCs” gulisxmobT?

_ is, rac „girCma” Tqva, ar

veTanxmebi. cxadia, yvelas Seu-

Zlia, Tavisi azri hqondes, magram

aseTma frazam gaiJRera, Tu

xelisufleba daiklebso. daiklebs

ras niSnavs? daiklebs, ra,

nucas skolaa? es arasamarTlebrivi

terminia... Cems partias „kanoni

da samarTali” hqvia. hoda,

modiT, axla es termini _ „daiklebs”

Jurnalisturad da samarTlebrivad

gadmovaqarTuloT:

daiklebs, e. i., gayalbebas

aRiarebs. ase gamodis, ara?

_ diax.

_ mTeli saqarTvelo velodebiT,

rom „ocnebam” gayalbeba

aRiaros da Tu amas gaakeTebs,

Zalian gagvixardeba, magram

„daiklebs” da gamyalbebeli davtovoT

da am samarTlebriv moqmedebaSi

gavyveT? xalxno, ras

vlaparakobT, cota dafiqreba

gvmarTebs!

_ mokled, asea Tu ise, „oc-

neba” gayalbebas ar aRiarebs da

imis winaaRmdegicaa, rom axali

arCevnebi dainiSnos da ambobs,

im amomrCevlebs ra vuTxra,

vinc xma me momcao?.. amasTan,

mindia ugrexeliZe gamodis iniciativiT,

rom raki sakanonmde-

blo organoSi Sesvlaze uars

ambobs, opoziciis mandatebi

„ocnebam” aiRoso. amaze ras

ityviT?

_ Cven maTi amomrCevlis xmebsac

vicavT!

_ es rogor?

_ iseTi totaluri gayalbebaa,

rom prokuraturaSi gancxadebac

SevitaneT.

_ raki totalur gayalbebaze

saubrobT, miTxariT, magaliTad,

saburTalos raionSi, sadac

maJoritarad iyridiT ken-

Ws, ramdeni xma gayalbda?

_ prokuraturaSi sarCeli 97-

ve ubnis gamo SevitaneT.

_ da am gayalbebis dokumen-

tebi gaqvT?

_ sxvaTa Soris, gayalbebis

magaliTad xaTuna gogoriSvilmac

saburTalos raioni moitana

da mixeil saakaSvilmac, rac

SemTxveviTi araa.

_ SemTxveviTi ratom araa?

_ zogma sarCeli sasamarTlo-

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sisxlis samarTlis danaSaulia!~

Si Seitana, me ki _ prokuraturaSi.

_ sasamarTlos Tqvenc ratom

ar mimarTeT?

_ imitom, rom es gayalbebebi

Cveulebrivi sisxlis samarTlis

danaSaulia! ise, mixaria, rom

Zalian Zlier oponentad viyavi

aRqmuli da es mxolod Cemi azri

araa, anu gansakuTrebuli brZola

iyo, radgan „strategia aRmaSeneblis”

Zalas grZnobdnen. ai,

xatia dekanoiZemac Tqva, magaliTad,

giorgi vaSaZes 33 xma

rogor „gadauyares” da mxolod

ori dauweres. me ki konkretul

ubanze 39 xma „gadamiyares”. es

erT-erTi magaliTia. mokled,

Cven gadayril xmebs vicavT. am

xalxs pativi xom unda vceT?!

_ Tako, saburTaloze xmebi

mxolod Tqven, rogorc maJori-

tarobis kandidats, mogpares

Tu „strategia aRmaSenebel-

sac”?

_ maJoritarul arCevnebs

calke ganvixilavT da proporciuls

_ calke, Tumca orivegan

katastrofuli mdgomareobaa. es

Cveulebrivi gayalbeba ar iyo da

verc warmovidgendi, rom 21-e

saukuneSi aseTi ra SesaZlebeli

iqneboda.

_ Tako, prokuraturaSi sar-

Celi konkretulad vis winaaRmdeg

SeitaneT: cesko-si, xelisuflebis

Tu saolqos xelmZRv-

anelobis?

_ saolqo komisiis Tavmjdomaris

winaaRmdeg.

_ anu fiqrobT, rom Tamar

Jvanias da, saerTod, „ocnebis”

gareSe, saolqos Tavmjdomare

aseT darRvevaze wavidoda?

_ es gamoZiebam unda daadginos.

diax, gamoZieba imisTvis arsebobs,

rom gaarkvios, ra da

rogor moxda.

_ prokuraturas ar endobiT

da am saCivris Setanas ra azri

aqvs?

_ saCivari imitom ar SevitaneT,

rom prokuraturas Zalian

vendobiT, magram saerTaSoriso

organizaciebsa da, saerTod,

yvelas vaCvenebT, rom Cven samarTlebrivi

gziT mivdivarT,

Torem es Zalian binZuri sistemaa

da qveyanac samarcxvino ambavSia!

amis miuxedavad, yvela

samarTlebriv berkets viyenebT

da amiT imasac vusvamT xazs, rom

xelisufleba samarTlebriv Car-

Cos ascda. Cven ki am samarTlebriv

CarCoebSi varT! yvelafer

amis Semdeg ki is saprotesto

talRa, romelic iqneba, aRar

unda gaukvirdeT! Tu samarTals

yvelanairi azri daekargeba da

sasamarTlo aRar iarsebebs, rogor

fiqrobT, xalxs ra moqmedebis

Sansi darCeba?

_ ajanyebis?

_ saxelmwifom xalxs xmis micemis

konstituciuri ufleba

waarTva! es, martivad rom vTqvaT,

saxelmwifos mitacebaa! roca

saxelmwifos miitaceben da

aRarc sasamarTlo iqneba da aRarc

_ prokuratura, miTxariT,

xalxma ra unda gaakeTos?

`jer oqmebi ar gvqonda, magram savaraudo Sedegi vicodiT... arasodes arc

erT partiaSi ar vyofilvar, magram roca qveyana Tavze Camogvemxo, vTqvi,

politikaSi moval-meTqi da es gadawyvetileba mxolod da mxolod imitom

miviRe, rom raRacis gakeTeba minda. sakeklucod da ivaniSvilis brZanebebis

Sesasruleblad, anu parlamentSi formaluri opoziciis roliT Sesvlas

namdvilad ar vapireb! sxvaTa Soris, erTi ram mixaria. gayalbebis

pirobebSic ki ori Tvis Seqmnilma `strategia aRmaSenebelma~ oTxi mandati

miiRo, magram CvenTan winaaRmdegoba aravisgan yofila da parlamentSi

arSesvlis gadawyvetileba yvelam erTmniSvnelovnad miiRo!~

_ xalxs protestis gamox-

atvis uflebas konstitucia

aZlevs, magram prokuraturaSi

saCivris Setana samarTlis sapovnelad

grZeli gzaa. ar job-

da, rom sxvebis msgavsad Tqvenc

sasamarTlosTvis migemarTaT?

_ diax, viciT, rom prokuraturis

gza xangrZlivia, magram

dRes, roca aseTi daZabuli vi-

Tarebaa, prokuraturas pasuxis

droulad gacema, wesiT, unda

awyobdes!

sxvaTa Soris, sasamarTlodan

yvela saCivarze uari movida. metic:

zogi sarCeli sasamarTlom

arc miiRo. vinaidan am gayalbebaSi

sisxlis samarTlis niSnebia,

prokuraturas amitomac mivakiTxeT.

sxvaTa Soris, yvelafer amas

ucxoelebsac vawvdiT.

mokled, yvela samarTlebriv

gzas vsinjavT da erTi procentic

ar arsebobs, rom xelisuflebam

Tqvas, opozicia samarTlebrivi

CarCodan gadiso. gaiZaxian,

revolucia undaTo, magram

revolucia aravis unda. Cven

arCevnebs velodebodiT, magram

am Tavxedma rusma oligarqma

rusuli stilis arCevnebi Cagvi-

tara _ gaayalba da saxelmwifo

miitaca! Cven ki isev samarTlebrivi

gziT mivdivarT, radgan

revoluciis magvari aviciloT,

magram Tu araferi darCeba, aba,

magis monebad xom ar davrCebiT?!

_ „ocnebam” saxelmwifo xe-

lisuflebis damxobis sababiT

saqme ukve aRZra da gamoZiebac

daiwyo...

_ ai, axla ganxilvebi rom daiwyeba,

dainaxavT, saqmes rogor

aRZravs!

_ ra ganxilvebs gulisxmobT?

_ mxolod aseTi moqmedeba ki

ara, xelisuflebidan wasulic

`sxvaTa Soris, `strategia aRmaSenebels~ arasodes uTqvams, parlamentSi

meore Zala viqnebio, magram yvela partiam daaxloebiT icoda, ra

rogor iqneboda. Zalian beci unda iyo, warmodgena rom ar gqondes,

arCevnebi SenTvis rogor wava, magram warmoudgeneli ram moxda~

bevri gvinaxavs! ar SeiZleba,

xalxs aseTi Seuracxyofa miayeno!

hoda, aRZran saqme da iyvnen!

saerTod, ar maintersebs, visTan

ra pretenzia aqvT. me erTi mainteresebs

_ Cveni xmebi sad aris?

gayalbebuli oqmebi warvadgineT,

saswrafod gamoiZion, Torem

quCidan saxlSi ar wavalT!

es martivi logikaa!

_ opozicias Sin wasvla mainc

mogiwevT, radgan 9 nombridan

saqarTvelos arTvelos ramdenime did

qalaqSi aqSi komendantis saaTi moqm-

edebs _ 22:00-dan 5 saaTamde qu-

CaSi gadaadgileba ar SeiZleba...

_ mere ra?! xalxs ver SeaCereben,

radgan is, rac 31 oqtombers

moxda, xelisuflebis mitacebis

mcdelobaa.korona didxans

gagrZeldeba, magram monebad xom

ar viqceviT? weRandeli Tqmisa

ar iyos, gayalbebis oqmebi ager

devs. hoda, gamoZieba daiwyon!

_ Tako, am politikuri krizisidan

qveyana rogor unda gam-

ovdies?

_ arCevnebis daTmobiT.

_ daTmobaSi axal arCevnebs

gulisxmobT?

_ diax, gayalbeba aRiaron da

axali arCevnebi Catardes.

_ Tqveni dakvirebiT, xelisu-

flebasa da opozicias Soris

dawyebuli „nervebis omi” ram-

den xans gagrZeldeba?

_ vnaxoT... es rTuli procesia

da konkretul dRes veravin daasaxelebs.

yvela interviuSi vambobdi

da zogi meubneboda, _ kargi,

ra, Tako, aRar gindao, magram

aRar minda ki ara, axla dafiqrdnen,

rogori marTali viyavi.

_ ukacravad, raze saubrobT?

_ saqarTvelos saTaveSi rusi

oligarqia! sxvaTa Soris, amas

winaT vTqvi da axlac gavimeroeb,

is fulic, romelic aqvs, misi ki

ara, putinis mgonia!

_ erTi sityviT, Tako, darw-

munebuli xarT, rom „ocneba”

xelisuflebidan wava?

_ aba, ra! amas istoriac

gvaCvenebs... mas gaTvla putinze

hqonda, magram es saqarTveloa!

_ ise, opoziciam Secdoma xom

ar dauSva, roca arCevnebze

cal-calke gamovida da ara _

erTiani siiT?

_ me piriqiT mgonia.

_ anu?

_ xelisufleba zustad mixvda,

rom misi, ase vTqvaT, mteri

Sua iyo. amitomac mudam xazgasmiT

vambobdi, xalxis dakveTa

mravalferovnebaa-meTqi. xelisufleba

ki mudmivad cdilobda,

rom orpolusianobaze

elaparaka. am arCevnebma swored

es daamtkica.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ oqmebidanac Cans, rogori

dartyma aqvT miRebuli e. w. Sua

partiebs, anu xelisufleba mxolod

„nacionalur moZraobas”

ki ara, sxvebsac _ patara partiebsac

mtrulad uyurebda.

mokled, swored es iyo Secdoma,

rom opoziciam xelisuflebas

orpolusianobaze saubris

saSualeba misca!

N28 (330) 10.11-16.11.2020 w.

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òcnebam~ gayalbebebsa da darbevebSi

uflebadamcveli laSa Cxar-

Sorena marsagiSvili

tiSvili mravali aqciis monaw-

599 92 16 22

ilea. mis zurgze gadaira TiTqmis

yvela darbevam rogorc „nacionalebis”

dros, aseve „ocnebis” mmarTvelobis xanaSi. am-

bobs, rom ivaniSvilma saakaSvils darbevebSic ajoba da

arCevnebis gayalbebaSic. CxartiSvili fiqrobs, rom xelisu-

fleba Zalas xalxis dasaTrgunad iyenebs. 8-9 noembris Rame

uflebadamcvels afiqrebinebs, rom qarTuli sazogadoeba ar

SeSindeba da is brZolas gamarjvebamde gaagrZelebs. CxartiS-

vilis azriT, „qarTuli ocneba” gansakuTrebulad erCis

Tavisufali mediis warmomadgenlebs.

ratom sdevnis ivaniSvili

Tavisufal medias? ratom ver

daaSineben xalxs? ras daems-

gavsnen koronasTan mebrZoli

eqimebi, romlebic, ratomRac,

muSketerebad monaTles? ra

rols asrulebs irakli kobaxiZe?

_ amis Sesaxeb leiboristu-

li partiis erT-erTi lideri,

laSa CxartiSvili, „qronika+”-

s esaubreba:

_ laSa, bevrisTvis moulodneli

aRoCnda, rom gamyalbebeli

xelisufleba opoziciis aq-

cias daarbevda. Tqven elodiT

darbevas?

_ am xelisuflebisgan yvelaferia

mosalodneli. cru

eqvTimem ilia WavWavaZis dabadebis

dReze daarbevina qarTveli

xalxi, romelic samarTlianobis

moTxovniT gamovida quCaSi.

_ ilia vaxseneT da biZina

ivaniSvils „ocnebis” wevrebi

ilia WavWavaZesac adareben.

_ adareben. maT mliqvnelobas

sazRvari aRar aqvs. usazRvroa

ivaniSvilis sisuleleebic. es

adamiani yvelaferze midis, oRond

xelisuflebaSi darCes. man

saakaSvils, SevardnaZesa da aslan

abaSiZesac ki gadaaWarba.

_ raSi gadaaWarba?

_ Tundac darbevebSi, Tundac

arCevnebis gayalbebaSi. bolo

arCevnebi ise gaayalba, rom cesko

Sedegebs veRar acxadebda.

ceskos warmomadgenlebi Semajamebel

oqmebs veRar werdnen.

31 oqtombers cru eqvTimem biZinfaSebi

Seusia saarCevno ubnebs

da procesi totalurad gayalbda.

SevardnaZis drosac iyo

gayalbeba da saakaSvilic ar

erideboda am meTods, magram

erTic da meorec TbilisSi gayalbebas

eridebodnen. dedaqalaqSi

mainc TvalSi sacemia ukanonoba.

regionebSi cdilobdnen

gayalbebas. cru eqvTime arc

dedaqalaqis gayalbebas moerida.

Tavis winamorbedebisgan

crueqvTime mediis devniTac

gamoirCeva. darbevebis dros

arc saakaSvili indobda medias,

magram ivaniSvili gansakuTrebulad

ebrZvis Jurnalistebs.

mas rom media sZuls, es 8-9

noembersac gamoCnda. mizanmimarTulad

sdevnidnen Jurnalistebs.

ceskosTan mimdinare aqciis

dros Jurnalistebi wiTel mikroavtobusze

avidnen da iqidan

iRebdnen kadrebs. maT garda

mikroavtobusis saxuravze aravin

idga. ivaniSvilis jalaTebma

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599 92 16 22 laSa CxartiSvili:

maT pirdapir, sruli wneviT

miuSves wylis Wavli. Jurnalistebi

gadmovardnen mikroavtobusis

saxuravidan. erT-erTi

iyo „formulas” Jurnalisti ana

baraTaSvili, romelic sikvdils

saswauliT gadaurCa. mikoavtobusi

sami metris simaRlis mainc

aris da warmoidgineT, ra mouvidoda

iqidan gadmovardnil

adamians, TaviT rom dacemuliyo.

es gogona, sabednierod, aqciis

erT-erTma monawilem daiWira.

is adamiani rom ara, ar vici,

ana baraTaSvils ra daemarTeboda.

is da sxva Jurnalistebi xelisuflebam,

faqtobrivad, sasikvdilod

gawira. „tv pirvelis”

operators Tvali dauzianes.

_ Tqveni azriT, ase gamor-

Ceulad ratom sdevnis ivaniS-

vili Jurnalistebs?

_ es adamiani ver itans gansxvavebul

azrs. gansxvavebuli

azris mosmena mxolod mediiT

SeiZleba. ai, amitom erCis rusi

oligarqi Tavisufal medias. mas

surs, CaaxSos Tavisufali sityva

da qveyana diqtaturis Waob-

Si CaZiros. media rom ar aSuqebdes

aqciebs, warmomidgenia, ra

ubedureba datrialdeboda iq.

jer kamerebis win ar eridebian

Zaladobas da kamerebis miRma

xom warmogidgeniaT, ras Caidenen.

aqedan gamomdinare gasagebia

ivaniSvilis pozicia. mas media

rom sZuls, es „gavrilovis

Ramesac” gamoCnda. im Rames 40-

mde Jurnalisti daSavda. Jurnalistebma

20 ivnisis darbevisas

seriozuli dazianebebi miiRes,

magram maTTvis dazaralebulis

statusic ki ar miuniWebiaT.

_ statusis arminiWeba raRa

ubedureba iyo?

_ es ivaniSvilisTvis iyo ubedureba.

aqciaze daSavebuli JurnalistebisTvis

dazaralebulis

statusis miniWeba imis aRiarebas

niSnavda, rom aq Tavisufali

media idevneba. Tavisufal

medias sityvieradac devnian.

TvalTxaria gaxaria da biZina

sul Jurnalistebs lanZRaven.

_ am mxriv gamonaklisi arc

irakli kobaxiZea, isic kargad

uberavs.

_ kobaxiZeze ra vTqva, is namdvili

movlenaa qarTul politikaSi.

is aris ivaniSvilis boroti

paJi, romelic yvelafers

kadrulobs. es adamiani tragikomikur

figurad Camoyalibda.

Cven viciT, rom specsamsaxurebi

politikur xelisuflebas

awvdian xolme informacias mosalodnel

aerulobaze. kobaxiZem

ki ijeimsbonda da aqeT miawoda

suss informacia. amieridan

mas SegviZlia, agent 0041

vuwodoT. is dRes gvevlineba,

rogorc susis informatori.

_ Tqven gjeraT, rom irakli

kobaxiZem marTla raime re-

aluri informacia miawoda

suss? ver davijereb, rom aq

raRac gadatrialeba mzadde-

boda da suss es kobaxiZisgan

gaego. saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis

samsaxurze bevrad uro ma-

Rali warmodgena maqvs.

_ aranairi gadatrialeba ar

igegmeba da sainteresoa, ra informacia

unda mietana am borot

paJs susSi. es aris ivaniSvilis

mofiqrebuli scenari. Zalian

sasaciloa, roca gavrilovis

Camomyvani sxvas saxelmwifo gadatrialebis

mowyobas abralebs.

„gavrilovis Ramis” Semdeg

`cercvaZe da

gamyreliZe

xelisuflebis

`gampraveblebad~

gadaiqcnen~

is xmis amoRebas ver unda bedavdes.

_ kobaxiZe ase rom gaTavxed-

da, es opoziciis brali xom ar

aris? „gavrilovis Rames” da

mis Semdegac mis gadadgomas da

parlamentidan wasvlas iTxovdiT,

magram gadadgomis Sem-

deg gaCerdiT. es Secdoma ar

iyo?

_ yvelafris miuxedavad, is

protesti iyo Sedegiani. opoziciam

xelisufleba aiZula, daTmobaze

wasuliyo. Cveni aqtiuroba

rom ara, arCevnebi kvlav

Zveli sistemiT Catardeboda da

ara TiTqmis srulad proporciuli

sistemiT.

_ am sistemiT Tu Catarda,

ver gaayalba?

_ gaayalba, magram Zalian

gauWirda. xom xedavT, ra totalur

gayalbebaze wavidnen, sasurveli

Sedegi rom moeRoT.

`Cven viciT, rom specsamsaxurebi politikur

xelisuflebas awvdian xolme informacias

mosalodnel aerulobaze. kobaxiZem ki

ijeimsbonda da aqeT miawoda suss informacia.

amieridan mas SegviZlia, agent 0041 vuwodoT.

is dRes gvevlineba, rogorc susis

informatori~

Zveli sistemiT rom Catarebuliyo

arCevnebi, aseTi gayalbeba

saWiro ar iqneboda. me opoziciis

did gamarjvebad mimaCnia,

rom saarCevno sistemaSi

cvlilebebi Sevida. am brZolis

dros opozicia erTad dadga.

miuxedavad imisa, rom Cven erTmaneTs

ver vitanT, erT magidasTan

visxediT. erTad videqiT

aqciebze da dRemde erTad vibrZviT

saqarTvelos ukeTesi

momavlisTvis.

_ amis miuxedavad, ver Se-

ZeliT kobaxiZis gaZeveba par-

lamentidan.

_ es ver movaxerxeT, imitom

rom amaze bevri aRar vibrZoleT.

is darCa parlamentSi da

amiT biZina ivaniSvils ufro

azianebs, vidre opozicias.

_ biZina ivaniSvils ranair-

ad azianebs?

_ yvelam icis, rom irakli

kobaxiZe ivaniSvilis „liubim-

Cikia”.

_ marTla biZinas „liubim-

Cikia”?

_ es aSkarad Cans. kargi monaa

da es oligarqs Zalian moswons.

imdens ver xvdeba, rom am boroti

paJis gancxadebebi sul ufro

aRizianebs xalxs. xalxi fiqrobs,

rom is ivaniSvilis mosazrebebs

axmovanebs.

_ fiqrobT, rom is ivaniSvi-

lis mosazrebebs ar iziarebs

da Tavisi iniciativiT ambobs

imas, rasac ambobs?

_ ivaniSvilis azrebsac axmovanebs,

magram xSir SemTxvevaSi

cdilobs, saSineleba Tqvas opoziciaze

da hgonia, amiT ivaniSvils

erTgulebas daumtkicebs.

sinamdvileSi ki mas azianebs.

aseT gamaRizianebel figurebs

„nacionalebi” saguldagulod

malavdnen.

_ bokeria da maia nadiraZe

gadamala erTxel saakaSvilma.

_ gadamala imitom, rom isini

xalxs aRizianebdnen. ivaniSvili

kargad xedavs, rom kobaxiZe sazogadoebaSi

saSinel agresias

iwvevs, magram mis gadamalvaze

arc ki fiqrobs. arCevnebis periodSi

sul wina planze hyavs

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gamoyvanili da sazogadoebas

aRizianebs. aSkaraa, rom es ivaniSvils

Zalian moswons da imdens

ver xvdeba, rom kobaxiZis

gamoxtomebi mis imijze aisaxeba

cudad.

_ laSa, darbevis detale-

bzec minda gkiTxoT. pandemiis

dros, noembris civ Rames, adamianebisTvis

civi wylis Wavlis

miSveba daxvretis tolfasia.

ratom mimarTa xelisufle-

bam am gzas?

_ imitom, rom moZaladea. Zalian

kargad ician, Tu ra Sedegebi

mohyveba amas, magram mainc

wavidnen am nabijze da adamianebi

sasikvdilod gaimetes. me gadavrCi

gaciebas, magram yvela

ver gadarCeboda. ceskosTan

cecxli gvqonda danTebuli da

aqciis monawileebis nawili iq

Sreboda da Tbeboda. gavSrebodiT,

waviwevdiT win da isev

wylis Wavls gvesrodnen.

_ eqimebis nawili aqciis

monawileebisTvis wylis miSvebas

protestiT Sexvda. samagi-

erod, muSketerebad wodebuli

eqimebi gayuCdnen. yvelgan rom

korona elandebaT, civ Rames

wylis Wavlis miSvebaze Tqves,

rom amaze komentars ver gaakeTeben.

maT samarcxvino komen-

tarze Tqven ras ityviT?

_ ver vityvi, rom maTgan ase-

Ti Sefaseba moulodneli iyo.

isini xom ivaniSvilisa da misi

partiis piarSikebad Camoyalibdnen.

amboben imas, rac xelisuflebas

awyobs. amitom ar gaaprotestes

noembris Rames xalxis

wylis WavliT darbeva. Zalian

gavbrazdi, aseTi komentari rom

gaakeTes, magram moulodneli

ar yofila. zafxulSi aWaraSi

koronam ifeTqa, magram xelisuflebis

moTxovniT muSketerebma

aWaris Caketva ar moiTxoves.

samagierod, Caketes mestia. arada,

iq Zalian cota SemTxveva

gamovlinda.

_ baTumi dendrologiuri

parkis gamo ar Caketes, sadac

adamianebi distanciis dacvis

gareSe, uniRbod gadaadgilde-

bodnen.

_ aWaraSi saTanado RonisZiebebi

sxvadasxva mizeziT ar gaatares.

marto dendrologiuri

parkis gamo ar moqceulan ase.

aWaris ambavma erT Zalian cud

daskvnamde mimiyvana. ar minda

davijero, rom es asea, magram

sxva axsna amas, ubralod, ar

aqvs.

_ ra daskvnamde mixvediT?

_ im daskvnamde mivedi, rom

ivaniSvilis xelisufleba koronaviruss

aRar ebrZvis da is

Tavis nebaze miuSva, riTac asobiT

Cveni moqalaqe, faqtobrivad,

sasikvdilod gawira.

_ xelisuflebam sikvdil-

isTvis is adamianebic gawira,

vis dasarbevadac wylis Wavli

gamoiyena.

_ es adamianebic gawires.

zafxulSi baTumi rom Caketiliyo,

dRes koronis gavrcelebis

mxriv aseTi savalalo mdgomareoba

ar gveqneboda. roca erTi

da ori SemTxveva fiqsirdeboda,

mTeli qveyana Caketes. samagierod,

maSin araferi moimoqmedes,

roca koronam ifeTqa. vfiqrob,

muSketerebma amasan dakav-

SirebiT ganmartebebi unda gaakeTon.

_ muSketerebis azri ukve

aRar aris saintereso.

_ ranairad iqneba saintereso,

yvelam icis, rom isini ityvian

mxolod imas, rac xelisuflebas

awyobs. xelisufleba am pandemias

saTavosod iyenebs. ase

iyo gazafxulze, roca mTeli

qveyana Caketes da ase axlac.

_ axla mTeli qveyana ar Cau-

ketiaT. jer mxolod did qal-

aqebSi daaweses avtomanqanebiT

gadaadgilebaze SezRudva.

_ es aris Cveulebrvi komendatis

saaTi, romlis SemoRebac

N28 (330) 10.11-16.11.2020 w.


`nacionalebs~ gadauswro~

ìm daskvnamde mivedi, rom ivaniSvilis xelisufleba koronaviruss aRar

ebrZvis da is Tavis nebaze miuSva, riTac asobiT Cveni moqalaqe,

faqtobrivad, sasikvdilod gawira~

aris sruli uazroba da absurdi.

_ ratom aris uazroba?

_ imitom, rom es aranair

Sedegs ar gamoiRebs. vinmem amixsnas,

ra Sedegs moitans 22.00

saaTidan 05.00 saaTamde gadaadgilebis

SezRudva. ivaniSvils

etyoba, hgonia, rom korona mxolod

Ramis saaTebSi vrceldeba.

am versias Tu ganaviTarebda,

muSketerebic daeTanxmebodnen.

aba, mis winaaRmdeg xom ar wavidodnen.

_ am SezRudvebis dawesebas

ivaniSvilis Zilis reJimTanac

xom ar aqvs rame saerTo?

„qarTuli ocnebis” lideri xom

22 saaTze iZinebs da diliT 6

saaTze dgeba.

_ namdvilad ar gamikvirdeba,

Tu specialurad SearCies es

dro. etyoba, ivaniSvils unda,

ès muSketerebi aqamdec kiTxvis niSnebs

badebdnen, magram 8 noembers cercvaZem da

amiran gamyreliZem Zalian cudi rame ikadres.

roca adamianebi wylis WavliT daarbies, Tavad

unda gamosuliyvnen da gangaSi aetexaT. roca

amaze Jurnalistebma komentari sTxoves, Tqves

rom am Temaze eqspertebad ver gamodgebian~

rom mTelma qveyanam 22 saaTze

daiZinos, rom mas mSvidi Zili

araferma daufrTxos. es SezRudvebi

misi mSvidi Zilis garanti

ufroa, vide koronasTan efeqtiani

brZolisken gadadgmuli

nabiji. raRac sisulele moigones.

kacma amaT rom daujeros

ifiqrebs, rom korona mxolod

Ramea saSiSi. korona dRisiTac

vrceldeba. gadaxedon gadaWedil

sazogadoebrv transports

da gviTxran, aris Tu ara es sa-

SiSi? muSketerebi arc amaze

iReben xmas. am Temaze yuradRebis

gamaxvileba xelisuflebis

interesebSi jer ar Sedis. es

muSketerebi aqamdec kiTxvis

niSnebs badebdnen, magram 8 noembers

cercvaZem da amiran

gamyreliZem Zalian cudi rame

ikadres. roca adamianebi wylis

WavliT daarbies, Tavad unda gamosuliyvnen

da gangaSi aetexaT.

roca amaze Jurnalistebma komentari

sTxoves, Tqves rom am

Temaze eqspertebad ver gamodgebian.

_ amxela eqimebma davijero,

ar ician, ra SeiZleba mohyves

pandemiis dros civ Rames ad-

amianebis civi wyliT darbevas?

_ Zalian kargad ician, magram

amaze saubari ar isurves. ai,

esaa qveynis tragedia da sircxvili,

am eqimebs! Tu ar ician, ra

mosdevs sxeulis gadaciebas,

maSin mTlad kargad yofila Cveni

saqme. samedicino saswavleblis

nebismieri pirvelkurseli

getyviT, rom sxeulis gadacieba

xels uwyobs respiratoruli

daavadebebis gavrcelebas. darwmunebuli

var, rom Zalian bevri

adamiani gacivda mag saRamos,

bevric koronavirusiT dainficirda.

eqimebma es araTu ar

gaaprotestes, komentaris gakeTebac

ki ar isurves. es Zalian

cudia. amis gamo cercvaZesac da

gamyreliZesac magrad SercxvebaT.

jer isini xelisuflebis

gamarTlebis reJimSi arian.

_ magas sjobda, saTanadod

momzadebuliyvnen virusTan sa-

brZolvelad.

_ gvabolebdnen, mzad varTo

da ra miviReT, jandacvis sistema

srulad aris CamoSlili.

_ xelisufleba ar aRiarebs,

rom problemebia.

_ aRiareba ra saWiroa, isedac

yvelaferi naTelia. 112 gamoZaxebaze

ar midis. saavadmyofoeb-

Si adgilebi ar aris. adamianebs

eubnebian, saxlSi darCiT da wyali

dalieTo.

imedi maqvs, rom 8-9 noembris

darbevis Sedegad bevri adamiani

ar gaxdeba avad. imis imedic

maqvs, rom maT mkurnalobaze

uars ar ityvian. iseTi situacia

Seiqmna, rom aq yvelaferi Sei-

Zleba moxdes.

_ Tqven uSualod movlenebis

epicentrSi iyaviT. am dar-

bevis gamo xalxi Tu SeSinda?

_ aravin SeSinebula. xom

mogiyeviT, mogviSvebdnen Wavls

da davsveldebodiT, mivirbendiT

koconTan, gavSrebodiT da

isev aqciaze mivrbodiT. arc xalxi

da arc liderebi ar SeSinebulan.

arada, yvela acnobierebs,

Tu ra safrTxesTan aris

sxeulis gadacieba dakavSirebuli.

qarTveli xalxis SeSineba

aseTi ioli ar aris. Cven es

araerTxel davamtkiceT da amas

ivaniSvilsac davumtkicebT.

_ xalxi aseT darbevebs ua-

resi protestiT rom pasuxobs,

viciT, magram axla koronis

faqtoria gasaTvaliswinebeli.

_ am faqtors viTvaliswinebT.

maqsimalurad vicavT distancias,

varigebT pirbadeebs.

vcdilobT, rom yvelas ekeTos

pirbade, magram roca civ wyals

gvasxamen, verafers gavxdebiT.

axla Cven ori virusis winaaRmdeg

vibrZviT: erTia kovid-19 da

meore _ biZina-41. es meore virusi

ufro saxifaToa.

_ riT aris ufro saxifaTo?

_ es virusi Tu ar davamarcxeT,

CaTvaleT, rom verc koronas

gavumklavdebiT da xalxi

SimSiliT daiRupeba. xelisuflebaSi

„ocnebis” darCena saqarTvelos

dasasruls niSnavs.

Cven es xelisufleba arCevnebiT

davasruleT, magram rusma oligarqma

arCevani mogvpara. axla

iZulebuli varT, quCis aqciebiT

davibrunoT es arCevani.

_ daibrunebT?

_ unda davibrunoT. sxvanairad

es qveyana daiRupeba. xalxis

ganwyoba da opoziciis SemarTeba

maZlevs imis Tqmis uflebas,

rom Cven arCevans davibrunebT.

oligarqsa da mis msaxurebs

ukanonoba aRar gauvaT. ivaniSvili

arc gasul wels apirebda

daTmobaze wasvlas, magram mouwia.

axlac ase iqneba. mTavari isaa,

rom ukan daxevas aravin apirebs,

ukan dasaxevi gza, ubralod,

ar aris.

_ xelisuflebis momxreebi

fiqroben, rom ukve daixieT ukan.

_ Cven ukan ar dagvixevia.

_ ukandaxevad CaiTvala is,

rom ceskosTan darbevis Semdeg

aqcia aRar gagrZelda.

_ es ukandaxeva ar yofila. es

swori gadawyvetileba iyo. Zalian

bevri provokatori Semoagzavna

xelisuflebam aqciaze.

ceskos Senoba miyruebul da

bnel adgilzea. aseT adgilze

provokaciebis mowyoba advilia.

provokaciebis Tavidan acilebis

mizniT daviSaleT. protesti

gagrZeldeba. ra SegviZlia, amas

male naxavs xelisufleba.

17


òcnebam~ saxelmwifo

qarTveli trampistebi iseT

giorgi abaSiZe

dReSi arian, rom dana pirs ar

uxsniT _ marTalia, jo baideni

msofliosgan ukve milocvebs iRebs da, sxvaTa Soris, gaprezidenteba

mas salome zurabiSvilma da giorgi gaxariamac mi-

uloces, magram, amis miuxedavad, wvrilfexa „qocebi” xavss

ebRauWebian da amboben, ai, sasamarTlo baidenis preziden-

tobas ar aRarebs da Cveni „JRali mimino” isev aRzevdebao,

magram swored amazea naTqvami, „netar arian morwmuneni”...

ise, „qocebi”, rogorc cxonebuli

bebiaCemi ityoda, ubedur

varskvlavze arian gaCenilebi

_ erTaderT naTel wertilad

trampi miaCndaT, ai, me-

oredac gaxdeba prezidenti,

„liberastebi” dinozavrebiviT

gadaSendebiano, magram „qocebi”

bWobdnen, politikis RmerTebi

ki icinodnen da... ise moxda, rom

aSS-is 46-e prezidenti jo gaxda,

baideni, romelic saqarTvelos

mesame prezidentma brwyin-

valebis ordeniT daajildova.

ra iqneba axla, anu ra elis

„ocnebas”, ufro sworad, rogor

moaxerxebs, rom is moraluri

upiratesoba, romelic opozicias

aqvs, saTavisod gadmoqa-

Cos? _ am Temebis Sesaxeb „qron-

ika+~ „eTnikur da konfesiur

urTierTobaTa centris” xelmZRvanel

lela jejelavas es-

aubra.

_ qalbatono lela, is, rac

31 oqtombers moxda, ariTmet-

ikis problemaa da meti araf-

eri?

_ ara, aq erTaderTi, sindisis

problemaa! is, rac arCevnebze

moxda, SeuZlebelia, romelime

Tavmoyvare da sindisis mqone

xelisuflebis pirobebSi momxdariyo.

amitomac vambob, rom es

sindisis problemaa!

_ sindisi romels ar aqvs _

xelisuflebas Tu ceskos?

_ Cven instituciebi aRar gvaqvs,

anu saxelmwifo institutebsa

da partiul struqturebs

Soris zRvari sruliad waSlilia.

Sesabamisad, ceskoc biZina

ivaniSvilis kerZo xelisuflebis

erT-erTi danamatia. diax, Cven

saxelmwifo ki ara, kerZo xelisufleba

gvyavs, romlis erTerTi

WanWiki Tamar Jvaniacaa, anu

is didi soflis erT-erTi gavleniani

binadaria.

_ ise, 30 welia, saqarTvelo-

Si cesko xan erTi da xan meore

kerZo xelisuflebis danamatia.

_ samwuxarod, asea... amas winaT

socialur qselSi wavikiTxe, saqarTveloSi

yvelaze demokratiuli

arCevnebi 1918 da 1991 wlebSi,

anu menSevikebisa da bolSevikebis

pirobebSi Catardao. SeiZleba,

paradoqsulia, magram samwuxaro

realobaa _ damoukideblobis

30 wlis ganmavlobaSi

demokratiuli arCevnebis Catareba

ver SevZeliT. es ki imas niSnavs,

rom Cven, rogorc demokratiuli

saxelmwifo, ver SevdeqiT!

_ gasagebia, rom „ocneba” usindisoa,

magram nuTu, ar elo-

da, rom arCevnebis gayalbeba

yvela yaidis politikur sub-

ieqts erT muStad Sekravda?

_ xelisuflebas Tavisi gegma

aqvs.

_ anu?

_ „ocnebam” jer kidev arCevnebamde

gviTxra, rom asi mandatis

imedi hqonda. es misi amocana

iyo da arc imas elodnen, rom

arCevnebze aseTi maRali aqtivoba

iqneboda, magram pandemiis safrTxis

miuxedavad, adamianebi

arCevnebze Zalian mobilizebulad

da motivirebulad mividnen

_ saarCevno ubnebTan dilidan

rigebi iyo. hoda, „ocneba” mixvda,

rom sxva meTodebi unda CaerTo

da gayalbebis yvela is sa-

Sualeba gamoiyena, romelic

romelime qveyanaSi romelime

centralur saarCevno komisias

rodesme gamouyenebia.

_ es gasagebia, magram im

SemTxvevisTvis, Tuki saprotesto

aqciebi daiwyeboda, „oc-

nebas”, Tqveni azriT, e. w. gegma

„b” ar hqonda?

_ biZina ivaniSvilis figuras

saTanadod ar vafasebT!

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ politikosebi sakiTxebs

politikuri mizanSewonilobis

gadasaxedidan uyureben da amitom

ivaniSvilis qmedebebs ver

Tvlian, anu ivaniSvili politikosi

araa da, Sesabamisad, arc

politikuri mizanSewoniloba

ainteresebs da arc _ motivacia.

is moqmedebs principiT: „minda

da miviReb!”

ivaniSvils politikosis ki

ara, mafiozis matrica aqvs! amitom

yvela im meTods gamoiyenebs,

romelic misTvis ama Tu im

etapze xelsayrelia.

sxvaTa Soris, darwmunebuli

var, albaT, cdilobs, rom calcalke

molaparakebebi daiwyos

da opoziciis erTianoba gabzaros.

Tu amas ver miaRwevs, mere,

rasakvirvelia, sxva meTodebis

gamoyenebas Seecdeba. Tu opozicia

ar Seva, parlamentis uflebamosileba

cnobili iqneba, mu-

Saobas mainc daiwyebs da es ivaniSvilisTvis

uxerxulobas ar

Seqmnis!

_ SeiZleba, magram aseT SemTxvevaSi

xom legitimaciis prob-

lema dadgeba?

_ aseTi parlamenti organul

kanonebs ver miiRebs, cvlilebas

verc konstituciaSi Seitans da

verc procedurul sakiTxebs

moagvarebs. aseve problema prezidentis

brZanebebsac eqneba, magram

weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos,

yovel Semdeg etapze ivaniSvili

im SesaZleblobas gamoiyenebs,

romelsac yvelaze efeqtianad

miiCnevs. darwmunebuli var, rom

am etapze misi amocanaa, opoziciis

erTianobaSi bzari Seitanos,

risTvisac sxvadasxva formas

gamoiyenebs, maT Soris, mosyidvasa

da zewolasac.

_ opoziciidan vin SeiZleba,

gaiyidos?

_ Zalian gamiWirdeba, rom

vinmes xeli davado. am SemTxveva-

Si mxolod ivaniSvilis mcdelobaze

vsaubrob. am procesSi gamoCndeba,

opozicia Tavis gadawyvetilebebSi

ramdenad pasuxismgebliani

da Tanmimdevruli iqneba.

ise, Tu aqciebi permanentulad

gagrZeldeba, ivaniSvili Zalis

gamoyenebasac ar moerideba!

_ privatul saubarSi miTx-

ariT, yvelaferi or kviraSi ga-

moikveTebao. qalbatono lela,

lela jejelava:

aqcents orkvirian, ase vTqvaT,

Sualedze ratom akeTebT?

_ rogorc vnaxeT, oqmebis

gasaCivrebam maincdamainc didi

Sedegi ar moitana _ saCivrebis

umravlesoba saolqo komisiebma

ar daakmayofila. mokled, am or

kviraSi gamoCndeba, opoziciidan

parlamentSi vinme Seva Tu ara.

erTic rom Sevides, danarCenis

gareT darCenas azri aRar eqneba.

_ cxadia, magram, dRevandeli

mocemulobiT,

opoziciidan

parlamentSi Sesvlas aravin

apir

irebs... niSandoblivia, rom

„patriotTa aliansic” boikotis

reJimSia. amis miuxedavad, meCveneba,

rom opoziciis erTiano-

bis mimarT skeptikurad xarT

ganwyobili, qalbatono lela...

_ ai, magaliTad, „girCs” parlamentSi

Sesvla Zalian undoda.

`politikosebi sakiTxebs politikuri

mizanSewonilobis gadasaxedidan uyureben da

amitom ivaniSvilis qmedebebs ver Tvlian, anu

ivaniSvili politikosi araa da, Sesabamisad,

arc politikuri mizanSewoniloba ainteresebs

da arc - motivacia. is moqmedebs principiT:

`minda da miviReb!~

ìvaniSvils

mafiozis

matrica aqvs!~

_ parlamentSi Sesvlis sur-

vili Tamar CergoleiSvilsac

hqonda, Tumca „evropuli saqar-

Tveloc”, „girCis” msgavsad,

opoziciis saerTo gadawyvet-

ilebas emorCileba.

_ diax, magram gamoricxuli

araa, rom partiaSi gadawyvetileba

calkeulma pirma miiRos.

_ anu parlamentSi romelime

opoziciuri partia ki ara, rom-

elime partiis erTi wevric rom

Sevides da amiT situacia „ai-

Wras”, ara?

_ rasakvirvelia. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

opozicia, albaT, xvdeba,

rom es safrTxec arsebobs. saer-

Tod, yvelas, visac qarTul politikaze

elementaruli warmodgena

aqvs, Zalian kargad emaxsovreba,

wina xelisuflebis dros

jer opoziciur e. w. rvians ra

mouvida, Semdeg ki _ „eqvsians” ra

mouvida. maSinac TiTqos monoliTuri

erToba iyo, magram am

erTobam didxans ver gastana.

amasTan, opoziciam 2008 welsac

miiRo gadawyvetileba, rom parlamentSi

ar Sesuliyo, magram

erTeulebi bolos parlamentSi

mainc Sevidnen da danarCenis

protests iseTi simZafre aRar

hqonda _ parlamenti erTpartiuli

aRar iyo.

_ qalbatono lela, ra amis

pasuxia da aSS-is saprezidento

arCevnebis Sedegebi qarTul

politikur procesebze gavle-

nas moaxdens?

_ saerTaSoriso dRis wesrigisTvis,

rasakvirvelia, Zalian

mniSvnelovani iyo, Tu vin gaxdeboda

aSS-is prezidenti, magram

ar mgonia, Cvens xelisuflebas an

opozicias aSS-is politikasTan

rame iseTi bma hqondes, rom iqauri

arCevnebis Sedegebi CvenTan

mimdinare movlenebisTvis Zalian

mniSvnelovani iyos. procesi ise

gagrZeldeba, rogorc aqamde _

TeTr saxlSi aq mimdinare movlenebze

informacias diplomatiuri

arxebiT miiReben. saerTod,

aseT raRacebze mxolod

prezidenti ar reagirebs.

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gadatrialeba moawyo!~

_ anu?

_ aSS-Si saxelmwifo institutebi

muSaoben da gadawyvetilebebsac

isini iReben, prezidentma

Tu saxelmwifo mdivanma

rogori tipis gancxadeba unda

gaakeTos.

_ diplomatiuri arxebis ganwyoba

rogoria? „qocebi” amboben,

saerTaSoriso sazogadoebas

31 oqtombris arCevneb-

is legitimurobaSi eWvi ar

eparebao; opozicia ki irwmuneba,

dasavleTi arCevnebis gayal-

bebas aravis apatiebso...

_ „qocebi” Zalian bevr rames

amboben, magram, sabednierod, ise

araa, rogorc isini amboben!

euTo-odirisa da evrokavSiris

SefasebiT arCevnebi konkurentuli

iyo, Tumca es imas ar

niSnavs, rom arCevnebi samarTlianad

Catarda. arCevnebi konkurentuli

imitom iyo, rom masSi,

lamis, 60-mde politikuri partia

monawileobda da Cvens partniorebs

am SefasebisTvis gverdi

arc auvliaT. amasTan, adamianis

uflebebi daculi imdenad

iyo, rom yvelas, visac surda,

maT Soris, kovidinficirebulebsac,

SeeZlo, arCevnebSi monawileoba

mieRo, magram yvelaferi

es wminda teqnikuri Sefasebaa.

danarCeni Sefaseba ki cota mogvianebiT

iqneba.

_ da es gviandeli Sefasebebi

ufro mkacri iqneba?

_ rasakvirvelia. darwmunebuli

var, rom Cveni partniorebis

SefasebebSi gaCndeba Canaweri,

rom 31 oqtombris arCevnebi samarTliani

ar iyo!

_ vTqvaT, aseTi Canaweri mar-

Tlac gaCnda, magram „ocneba”

mainc ar gaiTvaliswinebs da es

sazogadoebisTvis ras Secvlis?

_ „ocnebas” ra perspeqtiva

aqvs.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ „ocneba” saerTo-saxalxo

moTxovnas unda daemorCilos,

anu amomrCevlis naxevarze meti

axal arCevnebs iTxovs.

_ diax, magram am moTxovnaze

„ocnebas” aseTi pasuxi aqvs, _ me

xma milionma amomrCevelma mom-

ca da axali arCevnebi rom Cat-

ardes, am milioni adamianis

uflebebi dairRvevao...

_ „ocnebam”, ceskos monacemebiT,

ramdeni procenti aiRo?

_ 48%.

_ opoziciam?

_ daaxloebiT, 52%.

_ e. i., 48 ufro metia, vidre _

52? arCevnebze sul milion 900

aTasi amomrCeveli mivida.

_ hoda, „ocneba” irwmuneba,

milionma xma Cven mogvca, 900

aTasma ki _ opozicias, amitom

arCevnebi aralegitimuri araao.

_ „ocnebis” maTematikaSi rom

gaverkveT, piTagora gvWirdeba!

_ sxvaTa Soris, ramdenime

dRis win parlamentis gaday-

enebuli Tavmjdomare, irakli

kobaxiZe, susSi dakiTxvaze iyo,

saidanac gamosulma ganacxada,

òpozicia, upirvelesad, Tanmimdevruli unda iyos da mTlianoba ar unda

daarRvios. Tu opoziciaSi bzari gaCnda, es Zalian cud Sedegebs moitans.

amasTan, opoziciam yvela is nabijic unda gaTvalos, rasac ivaniSvili

xelisuflebis SesanarCuneblad gadadgams. es nabiji ki iqneba - mosyidva,

gadabireba, kompromatebi Tu fizikuri dapirispireba da Zalmomreoba~

usafrTxoebis samsaxurs im adamianebis

gvarebi mivawode, romlebic

saxelmwifo xelisufleb-

is damxobas apirebeno. e. i., „oc-

neba” opozicionerTa masobriv

daWerebs daiwyebs?

_ Zalian saintereso kiTxva

damisviT.

_ kerZod?

_ SexedeT, rogor saxelmwifoSi

vcxovrobT.

_ rogorSi?

_ irakli kobaxiZe politikuri

Tanamdebobis piria.

_ mere?

_ normalur saxelmwifoSi

arsebuli viTarebisa da riskebis

Sesaxeb politikuri Tanamdebobis

pirebs informacias usafrTxoebis

samsaxurebi awvdian.

CvenTan ki piriqiT xdeba. hoda,

irakli kobaxiZis mier miwodebul

informaciaze susma gamo-

Zieba unda daiwyos?

_ gamoZieba ukve dawyebulia,

qalbatono lela...

_ sxvaTa Soris, „ocnebam” gamoZieba

bevrjer daiwyo. gavixsenoT,

Tundac, e. w. saburavebis saqme.

mokled, yoveli arCevnebis

win da arCevnebis Semdeg „ocnebas”

erTi da igive Sabloni

aqvs, _ ai, opozicia saxelmwifo

gadatrialebas gegmavso. arada,

am rva wlis ganmavlobaSi saxelmwifo

gadatrialeba Tavad „ocnebam”

moawyo _ saxelmwifo institutebsa

da partiul struqturebs

Soris zRvari moSala,

anu saxelmwifo miitaca! axla

Cveni erovnuli amocanaa, am saxelmwifo

gadatiralebis ukan

gadmotrialeba, Tumca amas ivaniSvilis

xelisuflebis pirobebSi

ver gavakeTebT! sxvaTa Soris,

„ocnebam” saxelmwifo gadatrialeba

2016 wlidan daiwyo.

_ „ocneba” xelisuflebaSi

`xelisuflebam yvelaferi ikadra, risi

kadrebac SeiZleboda da gamarjveba am formiT

Caiwera, magram amis miuxedavad, opozicia

dRes gacilebiT momgebian situaciaSia - mas

moraluri upiratesobac aqvs da sazogadoebis

mxardaWerac. aseve politikuri konteqstic

opoziciis mxaresaa. mokled, am wuTSi burTi

namdvilad opoziciis moedanzea!~

xom 2012-Si movida?

_ diax, magram koaliciuri

parlamentis pirobebSi saxelmwifoebriobis

niSnebi met-naklebad

SerCenili iyo. mas Semdeg ki,

rogorc ki es koalicia daiSala

da ivaniSvilma saqarTvelos parlamenti

bankis klerkebiT gaavso,

saxelmwifo gadatrialebac

gaformda!

diax, Cven realurad mitacebul

da gadatrialebul saxelmwifoSi

vcxovrobT, romelic bi-

Zina ivaniSvilma ganaxorciela!

amitom axla arsebiTi mniSvneloba

aRar aqvs, ras dawers, ras

ityvis an arCevnebs rogor Caatarebs!

mniSvnelovani isaa, rom

Cven saxelmwifo aRar gvaqvs da

axla opoziciis mTavari amocana

am saxelmwifos dabrunebaa!

sxvaTa Soris aqve ismis kiTxva:

ramdenad Seswevs Cvens politikur

speqtrs unari, rom saxelmwifo

daibrunos?

_ Tqveni azriT, opozicias es

unari Seswevs Tu ara?

_ ar vici, gamoCndeba... axla

qarTuli opozicia satesto re-

JimSi imyofeba. arada, saxelmwifos

dasabruneblad yvelaze xelsayreli

viTarebaa!

_ sanam opozicia tests Caabarebs,

xelisufleba komendantis

saaTs awesebs, anu amiT pro-

testis CaxSobas cdilobs?

_ weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos,

biZina ivaniSvili mis xelT arsebul

yvela berkets gamoiyenebs,

rom opozicias xeli SeuSalos.

sxva Temaa, opozicias movlena-

Ta ganviTarebis amgvar scenarze

nafiqri aqvs Tu ara.

_ rogorc Cans, aqvs, yovel

SemTxvevaSi, Tu ar vcdebi, erTerTma

pirvelma badri jafariZem

ganacxada, am SezRud-

vebs ar davemorCilebiTo...

_ roca xelisuflebis gadawyvetilebas

ar emorCilebi, es

erovnul daumorCileblobas ni-

Snavs! ise, nu dagaviwydebaT, rom

evropis bevri qveyana Caiketa da

sruli loqdauni gamocxadda.

_ ukacravad, es ra SuaSia?

_ amaTac xels araferi SeuSliT,

rom Tu dasWirdaT, sruli

loqdauni gamoacxadon.

_ amboxebul xalxs loqdau-

ni ver gaaCerebs!

_ rasakvirvelia, Tumca opozicias

gegma aseTi SemTxvevisTvis

unda hqondes. erTi sityviT, yvelafer

zemoTqmulis gaTvaliswinebiT,

kidev erTxel vambob,

rom opozicia satesto reJimSia.

axla saxelmwifos dasabruneblad

yvelaze xelsayreli pirobebia

da amas gamoyeneba unda!

opozicia, upirvelesad, Tanmimdevruli

unda iyos da mTlianoba

ar unda daarRvios. Tu

opoziciaSi bzari gaCnda, es Zalian

cud Sedegebs moitans.

amasTan, opoziciam yvela is

nabijic unda gaTvalos, rasac

ivaniSvili xelisuflebis SesanarCuneblad

gadadgams. es nabiji

ki iqneba _ mosyidva, gadabireba,

kompromatebi Tu fizikuri dapirispireba

da Zalmomreoba.

_ bolos, qalbatono lela,

erT arapolitikur kiTxvas dag-

isvamT.

_ ki batono...

_ pandemia mZvinvarebs da yve-

la, sWirdeba Tu ara, koronaze

tests ikeTebs. testi Tqvenc

xom ar gaikeTeT?

_ ara.

_ arc gsurT?

_ ara.

_ e. i., es masobrivi testire-

ba panikiT aixsneba?

_ panika, rasakvirvelia, fsiqologiuri

faqtoria, Torem Tu

adamiani regulaciebs icavs da

simptomebic ar aqvs, testi ratom

unda gaikeTos?

_ maSasadame, korona, garkveulwilad

politikuri iaraR-

ia?

_ diax da ase mxolod Cvens

qveyanaSi araa, Tumca qarTvelebi,

xom iciT, Zalian emociurebi

varT da koronis mimarTac zogs

zedmeti molodini aqvs, zogi ki

zedmetad arafrad agdebs. arada,

yvelaze kargi gamosavali

zomierebaa. Tu vinmes simptomebi

aqvs, ki batono, testi unda

Caitaros, magram araswori mgonia,

adamianebi, romlebsac simptomebi

ar gaaCniaT, gagiJebulebi

rigSi idgnen da tests ikeTebdnen!

_ da Cveni saubari isev poli-

tikiT davasruloT: dRes opozicia

ufro momgebian situa-

ciaSia Tu xelisufleba?

_ xelisuflebam yvelaferi

ikadra, risi kadrebac SeiZleboda

da gamarjveba am formiT Caiwera,

magram amis miuxedavad, opozicia

dRes gacilebiT momgebian

situaciaSia _ mas moraluri

upiratesobac aqvs da sazogadoebis

mxardaWerac. aseve politikuri

konteqstic opoziciis

mxaresaa. mokled, am wuTSi bur-

Ti namdvilad opoziciis moedanzea!

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el daarbevda aqcias?

_ „qarTuli ocneba” aris

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Zaladobas velodiT. amis miuxedavad,

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opoziciis didi nawili,

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xelisuflebam ise

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ase datoveba, ubralod, ar Sei-

Zleba.

_ ar gegonaT, xelisufleba

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_ amaSi eWvic ar gvepareboda,

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ris miRebasac varaudobdnen

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31 oqtombers biZina ivaniSvilma

qarTvel xalxs arCevanis

ufleba mohpara. man Riad gvi-

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Txra, rom am qveyanaSi arCevnebi

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es, pirvel rigSi, qveyanas

azaralebs. kidev erTxel

gamoCnda, rom „biZina da misi

razmi” am qveynis mtrebi arian.

winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, isini

aRiarebdnen arCevnebSi damarcxebas

da opoziciaSi gadavidodnen.

_ saeWvod daemTxva opoziciis

mier daanosebul aqciebs

komendantis saaTis dawese-

ba, rac moulodneli ar unda

yofiliyo.

_ mosalodneli iyo. arCevnebis

win moimata inficirebulTa

raodenobamac. vinaa garanti,

rom cifrebi Segnebulad

ar gazardes? mere Semogvapares,

gadaadgileba SeizRudebao.

daixura skolebi da ba-

Rebi. nel-nela gvketaven. sruli

loqdaunisken mivdivarT.

_ rac, albaT, protests

CaaxSobs.

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is gviTxran, sad waiRes

10 miliardi lari, romelic

kovidTan sabrZolvelad unda

gamoeyenebinaT?! es vali Cveni

gasastumrebelia. gamovides

gaxaria da Tqvas, sad wavida es

fuli?! amdeni fuli gaflanges

da eqimebi gveubnebian, koroniT

Tu dainficirdiT,

wyliT imkurnaleTo. ara mgonia,

mTavrobis wevrebsac wyliT

mkurnalobdnen.

_ gaxarias kovidi daudas-

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_ ra Tqma unda, ara. Tavze

evlebian da Tu saWiro gaxda,

piradad tikaraZe dauyenebs

gadasxmis sistemas.

_ tikaraZes Tavis janmrTe-

lobas gaxaria ar miandobs.

mas, rogorc amboben, Tengiz

cercvaZe mkurnalobs.

_ aba, „TvalTxarias” ise xom

ar datoveben. samagierod, sxva

adamianebi arian RvTis anabara

mitovebulebi. 10 miliardi normalurad

rom daxarjuliyo,

aseTi msxverpli ar iqneboda.

amdeni adamiani daiRupa, amdeni

dainficirda da 10 miliar-

`biZina da misi

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Tavad iyvnen kargad.

xelisuflebaSi mosvlis Semdeg

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axla maTTvis Zalian

Znelia am komfortTan gan-

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milioni rom gaaqres

biujetidan, ar gaufasurdeboda

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yulaba, romelic wamebSi

ivseba. axla Tbilisis vice-meric

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Semcireba gaxdeba saWiroo.

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zogierTi SimSiliT kvdeba.

xalxi gaaRatakes da „ocneba”

imas gvimtkicebs, 2016 welTan

SedarebiT 100.000-iT meti

xma aviReTo. es xom uazrobaa?!

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partia ufro me-

`sad iyo aqciebi, larma gaqceva rom daiwyo?!

es uniaToebi sul sxvisken iSveren xels.

erTxel zrdilobis gulisTvis mainc Tqvan,

Cven ver gavakeTeT kargad, Cveni braliao.

farcxalaZem da kvirikaSvilma aseulobiT

milioni rom gaaqres biujetidan, ar

gaufasurdeboda lari?~

tad Seuyvarda xalxs. am tyuils

aravin Wams. ivaniSvili arafers

erideba. yvelafers kadrulobs

Zalauflebis SesanarCuneblad.

man maqsimalurad

gawela zambara, romelic Zalian

male moxvdeba cxvirSi.


moxvdeba?

_ eWvic ar mepareba. zambaris

gawelva ase mTavrdeba.

„ocneba” danaSaulze danaSauls

umatebs. ise mihyavT saqme,

rom am qveyanaSi, ubralod, ver

gaCerdebian.

_ „ocneba” rom modioda,

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magram mSvenivrad ko-

habitirdnen.

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kohabitaciis yvelanair

Sanss ispobs. isini am qveyanaSi

veRar darCebian. arCevnebi normalurad

rom Catarebuliyo,

isini opoziciaSi gadavidodnen

da darCebodnen saqarTveloSi.

axla yvelaferi sxvanairad iqneba.

irakli kobaxiZe Tavis agresiuli

gamosvlebiT kidev

ufro aRizianebs xlxs.

_ kobaxiZe yvelas aRizianebs,

maT Soris, „ocnebis” mo-

mxreebs. am kacs xabeiSvilze,

meliasa da botkovelze aseTi

agresia ratom aqvs? faqtobrivad,

daigina, egeni Tu moigeben

arCevnebs, me poli-

tikidan wavalo.

_ Cven vnaxeT araerTi kvleva,

sadac Canda, rom melia, „xabe”

da botkoveli bevrad uswrebdnen

saxelisuflebo kandidatebs.

kvlevebi Tavad „ocnebamac”

Caatara. es sameuli am

kvlevebiTac ugebda „ocnebis”

kandidatebs. swored aman gaa-

Riziana da gaaborota kobaxiZe.

man gamoacxada, rom romelime

maTgani Tu moigebs, politikidan

wavalo. opoziciis lanZRvas

urCevnia, danapirebi Seasrulos

da politikas moSordes.

_ ar moSordeba, im sameuls

ar mougia arCevnebi.

_ am gayalbebis pirobebSi ra

Sedegic daiwera, es mogebaa, am-

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TaTbirebidan ver agdebdnen~

itom keTili inebos kobaxiZem

da wavides. oRond mamuka mdinaraZis

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_ mdinaraZe ratom unda

gaiyolos?

_ kobaxiZes auba mxari da maganac

Tqva, Tu moigeben arCevnebs,

politikidan wavalo.

_ Tqven ggoniaT, rom namu-

si eyofaT da wavlen?

_ piroba sajarod aqvT dadebuli

da Tu darCebian, unamusoebi

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samive maTganma moigo arCevnebi.

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icis, rom mis mier naxsenebma

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rom amxela gayalbebis miuxedavad

meore turebi dainiSna.

_ seriozulad moiges, iciT

rogor, _ CempionTa ligaze

„baiernma” „barselonas” 8:2

rom mougo.

_ zustad aseTi mogeba iyo.

oRond maSin im mogebaze guli

damwyda. axla ki mixaria aseTi

mogeba.

_ „barselonas” gamo guli

ar dagwydeT, irakli kobaxiZe

am gundis fani yofila.

_ ras melaparakebiT? ar xumrobT?

mec ar mikvirs, ratom

Cavarda es msoflioSi saukeTeso

gundi am dReSi? eg Tu

gvqomagobs, kidev kargad varT

gadarCenilebi. wavides da Tavis

„qarTul ocnebas” uqomagos.

Cven Tavi dagvanebos. „barselonaze”

vxumrob, magram qveyana

rom mZime dReSia, es kobaxiZisa

da misnairebis damsaxurebaa.

minda, mdinaraZec movixsenio

da personalurad vTxovo,

rom wavides. wasvlamde erT

rCevasac mivcem: „nacionalebis”

xsenebas Tavi daanebos, mis-

Tvis ukeTesi iqneba.

_ ratom iqneba misTvis uke-

Tesi, Tu „nacionalebs” aRar

axsenebs?

_ imitom, rom mas es uxerxulobas

Seuqmnis.

_ ratom Seuqmnis uxerxu-

lobas?

_ mamuka mdinaraZe araa is

kaci, visac ufleba aqvs, „nacionaluri

moZraoba” akritikos.

_ ratom? ratom?

_ eg is kacia, 2012 wlamde

daviT sayvareliZes „nacionalebis”

TaTbirebze rom ejda.

_ romel daTo sayvareliZ-

es?

_ mTavari prokuroris moadgile

rom iyo. isic atarebda

TaTbirebs. sul iq ijda mdinaraZe.

es kargad axsovT yofili

xelisuflebis wevrebs.

TaTbiridan ver agdebdnen. bolomde

iq ijda da yvelaze did

„nacionalad” mohqonda Tavi.

_ axla yvelaze didi meoc-

nebea.

_ manamde iqneba yvelaze didi

meocnebe, sanam „ocnebaa” xelisuflebaSi,

mere axal Zalas

òpoziciis didi nawili, jer kidev, gzaSi iyo, roca ceskos SenobasTan misul

100-mde adamians ramdenime aTasma policielma wylis Wavli miuSva.

koronapandemiis dros amis gakeTeba tyviis srolis tolfasia. Cven arc

tyviis gveSinia da arc - wylis Wavlis. 31 oqtombers xelisuflebam ise

gaayalba arCevnebi, rom amis ase datoveba, ubralod, ar SeiZleba~

moZebnis da imas Seekedleba.

„qarTuli ocneba” gatenilia

medroveebiT. amitomac Cavarda

aseT dReSi qveyana. rodis iyo,

medrveebs Rirseba da principebi

hqondaT. maTi mTavari amocanaa,

rac SeiZleba meti fuli

iSovon. Cven xSirad vxedavT

teleeTerebSi maT saxlebs, maT

vilebs. TavianT Svilebs sazRvargareT

agzavnian saswavleblad.

rac meti miiRebs dasavlur

ganaTlebas, miT ukeTesi,

magram „ocnebis” wevrebi Tavis

Svilebs Cvens xarjze nu miscemen

ganaTlebas, Tavisi saxsrebi

daxarjon.

ramdenime wlis mere Camoiyvanen

ucxoeTidan TavianT Svilebs

da qarTvel xalxs daasvamen

Tavze _ amaT dasavluri

ganaTleba aqvTo. davijero,

maTze Wkviani Svilebi sxvas ar

hyavs? rogor ar hyavs, magram

maT sazRvargareT wasvla ar

SeuZliaT. aqac ki ver ixdian

swavlis safasurs. aTasobiT

axalgazrdas aqvs studentis

statusi SeCerebuli. isini swavlas

imitom ver agrZeleben,

rom fuli ar aqvT. ratom dagvasva

biZina ivaniSvilma es bo-

Rmiani kobaxiZe Tavze? marTalia,

dasavleTSi aqvs ganaTleba

miRebuli, magram ra? magaze

ukeTesi aravin iyo? rogor ar

iyo, maram russ oligarqs ise-

Ti xalxi sWideba, vinc mis yvela

qmedebas gaamarTlebs.

_ kobaxiZes am „gamarTleba-

Si” zedozireba mosdis. saSi-

nelebebs ambobs.

_ boroti adamiania da boRmas

veRar malavs.

_ borotis garda saSiSicaa,

20 ivniss eg rom yofiliyo Ss

ministri, adamianebs daxocav-

da aqciaze.

_ Zalian boRmiani axalgazrdaa

da yvelafers ikadrebs, am-

ìvaniSvilma rva wlis manZilze veraferi

gaakeTa. axla uaress dReSi Cavardeba qveyana.

adre Tu uniaToebi iyvnen, axla maT

legitimaciac dakarges. aralegitimur

xelisuflebas qveynisTvis kargis gakeTeba ar

SeuZlia. erovnuli valuta ise Caagdes,

qveynidan garbis. Cvenc gaqceva mogviwevs, Tu

eseni ar SevcvaleT. darwmunebuli var,

cvlileba iqneba. rusi oligarqis diqtatura

sruldeba~

itom ar iSorebs gverdidan ivaniSvili.

axla raRac destruqciul

qmedebebze alaparakda

da susSi mtkicebulebebi miarbenina.

_ im suss ra vuTxari, kobaxiZe

mtkicebulebebs rom miu-

tans.

_ egec sakiTxavia, miutana

Tu raRac speqtakli dadges.

amdeni welia, mosalodnel

areulobaze saubroben. amtkiceben,

rom opozicia gadatrialebas

amzadebso. sadaa es gadatrialeba?

susSi bevri rame

SeiZleba mivitano, magram es ar

niSnavs, rom viRac gadatrialebas

amzadebs.

_ kobaxiZis „danosSi”

Tqvenc moxvdiT, xom?

_ mxvda eg pativi.

_ ufro detalurad gviTx-

ariT.

_ ufro detalurad kobaxiZe

moyveboda, me yvelaferi ar

vici. ramdenadac momexseneba,

im furclebze, rac kobaxiZem

susSi miitana, Cemi saxeli da

gvari weria da miTiTebulia

telefonis nomeri.

_ furcelze adamianis saxeli

da gvari Tu weria, is ga-

datrialebas awyobs?

_ ra vici?! magis eqsperti

kobaxiZea. yvelaze saintereso

isaa, rom Cven damkvirveblebad

viyaviT daregistrirebulebi.

Cveni monacemebi ceskos saitzea

atvirTuli. kobaxiZes vinme

suleli xom ar hgonia?! vin daijerebs,

rom adamianebi gadatrialebas

amzadeben da am dros

monacemebs ceskos saitze tvirTaven?

_ susi seriozulad moeki-

da am mtkicebulebebs?

_ ver getyviT. ki gamogvacxades

destruqciul adamianebad.

_ arada, sul ar tovebT de-

struqciulis STabeWdilebas,

mudmivad kanonierebaze saub-

robT.

_ kobaxiZis standartebiT

kanonze saubaria destruqcia.

es iciT, rogori braldebaa? _

SarSan „saSvebis revolucias”

rom vawyobdiT.

_ „saSvebis revolucia” „ga-

vrilovis Rames” iyo, xom?

_ „gavrilovis Ramemde” iyo

dRe, roca qarTvelebis moZule

da qarTuli saxelmwifos

mteri spikeris savarZelSi Casves.

Cven vicodiT, rom is parlamentSi

iqneboda da amis gasaprotesteblad

SvediT iq.

Cvenze daSvebuli iyo saSvebi.

imas veravin warmovidgendiT,

rom am kacs spikeris savarZel-

Si Casvamdnen. es rom vnaxeT,

sxdomaTa darbazSi SevvardiT

da protesti gamovxateT. gavrilovi

darbazidan gaaqcies.

es yofila „saSvebis revolucia”.

_ es rom ar yofiliyo,

Zalian samarcxvinod gamovCndebodiT.

am protestma Rirse-

ba SegvinarCuna.

_ „ocnebisTvis” rusi komunistis

gandevna mosawoni saqme

ar iyo. raki kanonis dacviT

viyaviT parlamentSi Sesuli,

ver gviTxres, SeiWeriTo. dagvabrales,

saSvi aiReT da ase

apirebdiT gadatrialebaso. gadatrialebas

vinc awyobs, isini

saSvebs ar iReben. aseTive

mdgomareobaa axlac. amtkiceben,

destruqciisTvis emzadebodneno.

rodis iyo, areulobis

momwyobni ceskos saitze

registrirdebodnen? Tundac

am ori ambidan gamomdinare,

rogor SeiZleba, rom amaT normalurebi

vuwodo? realobis

aRqma sruliad aqvT dakarguli.

dakarges sindisi da namusi.

mxolod xelisuflebis SenarCunebisTvis

ibrZvian.

_ jerjerobiT gamosdiT

SenarCuneba?

_ jerjerobiT ki, magram

daTmoba mouwevT. „ocneba” aucileblad

wava. sawyenia, rom

qveynis imijs daazianeben. arada,

SeeZloT, lamazad wasuliyvnen

da istoria gaegrZelebinaT.

2012 wels qveyanaSi arCevnebis

gziT Seicvala xelisufleba.

axlac gadairCia xalxma

„ocneba”, magram maT arCevnebi

mogvpares. amasac ar dasjerdnen

da protestis gamosaxatavad

gamosuli xalxi kidev

erTxel daarbies. darbevebiT

veravis SeaSineben. protesti

gagrZeldeba manam, vidre xelisufleba

moparul arCevnebs

ar daabrunebs. ivaniSvilma rva

wlis manZilze veraferi gaake-

Ta. axla uaress dReSi Cavardeba

qveyana. adre Tu uniaToebi

iyvnen, axla maT legitimaciac

dakarges. aralegitimur xelisuflebas

qveynisTvis kargis

gakeTeba ar SeuZlia.

erovnuli valuta ise Caagdes,

qveynidan garbis. Cvenc gaqceva

mogviwevs, Tu eseni ar

SevcvaleT. darwmunebuli var,

cvlileba iqneba. rusi oligarqis

diqtatura sruldeba. Zaladobasa

da gayalbebas aravin

Seegueba. arc darbevis gveSinia

da arc _ daWerebis. simar-

Tle Cvens mxaresaa da simar-

Tle yovelTvis imarjvebs.

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Tavdacvis saministros lojistikis

1990 wels, fexsacmelebis fab-

Tamar rostiaSvili

rika „isnis” me-6 saamqros daxur-

577 10 07 06

vis Semdeg, 60-mde SezRuduli

SesaZleblobis mqone piri quCaSi

darCa. lado aslamaziSvili, Tavad SSm piri, is adamiani iyo,

romelmac donor organizaciebs mimarTa da gagania afxazeTis

omis dros manqana-danadgarebi ayidina. isxdnen, maT Soris,

etliT mosargebleebi da meomrebisTvis usasyidlod keravdnen

fexsacmelebs. omis Semdeg ki devnilebisTvis, stiqiiT daz-

aralebulebisTvis da a. S. sakuTari mTavrobisTvis erTi TeTri

arasodes uTxoviaT _ sakuTar Tavs Tavad arCendnen da aqeT

exmarebodnen sxvebs... manam, sanam mTavrobas esec ecotava da

SSm pirebs sakuTari farTis datoveba mosTxova.

es teritoria Tavdacvis

saministros maRalCinosnebis interesis

sferoSi aRmoCnda. gavrcelebuli

informaciiT, iq kor-

pusis aSenebas apireben.

iyo Sexvedra biZina ivaniS-

vilTan, romelic aRSfoTda

saministros calkeuli warmo-

madgenlebis msgavsi qmedebebiT

da am xalxis daxmareba kvirikaS-

vils daavala. ai, ra moxda amis

Semdeg, „qronika+~ eqskluziurad

gTavazobT.

lado aslamazaSvili _ „SezR-

uduli SesaZleblobis pirTa

dasaqmebis kavSiris” damfuZnebe-

li:

_ 1990 wels gaiyida fexsacmelebis

fabrika „isani”. iq arsebuli

me-6 saamqros daxurvis Semdeg

umuSevari damrCa 60-mde Sez-

Ruduli SesaZleblobis mqone piri.

Tavad me gaxlavarT SezRuduli

SesaZleblobis mqone piri da

guli mtkioda am mozardebze,

romlebic quCisTvis iyvnen ganwirulni.

gareT rom ar darCeniliyvnen

es bavSvebi, muSaobis periodSi

kaspis bavSvTa saxlidan Camogvyavda

beneficiarebi da vasaqmebdiT.

Tavad me gaxlavarT SezRuduli

SesaZleblobis mqone piri

da guli mtkioda am mozardebze,

romlebic amitomac gareT rom ar

darCeniliyvnen es bavSvebi, Cemi

iniciativiT mivdiodi kaspSi da

Camomyavda SSm pirebi, romelTac

qveda kidurebi hqondaT dazianebuli,

magram xelebi _ Zlieri. jer

xelobas vaswavlidiT da Semdeg

vasaqmebdiT. aseve dasaqmebuli

gvyavda yru-munjebi.

_ da aseTi kontingenti darCa

umuSevari fabrikis daxurvis

Semdeg?

_ diax. yvela saerTo sacxovrebelSi

cxovrobda da fabrikis

garda Semosavlis sxva wyaro ar

gaaCnda. modiodnen CemTan, rogorc

yofil xelmZRvanelTan da

mTxovdnen, dagvexmare, rom davsaqmdeTo.

im periodSi iyo aseTi

organizacia „oqsvami”. swored mas

mivmarTe werilobiT, rom fabrikis

daxurvis gamo SSm pirebi

davrCiT umuSevrebi da vTxove

daxmareba danadgarebis SeZenaSi.

„oqsvami” dagvTanxmda, SegiZenT

danadgarebs da Cven dagimonta-

JebTo. magram am danadgarebisTvis

farTic ar gvqonda, amitom mivmarTe

isnis raionis gamgeobas,

romelmac amJamindeli beri gabriel

salosis q. #46-Si mdebare

teritoria gadmogvca. manamde aq

gamgeobis dasufTavebis samsaxuris

avtofarexi iyo ganTavsebuli.

roca SevediT, teritoria carieli

dagvxvda da faqtobrivad

nagavsayrelad iyo qceuli. gamgeobis

daxmarebiT miwa gavasufTaveT,

davrgeT xexili, gavaremonteT

ukve „oqsvamis” xelSewyobiT,

romelmac manqana-danadgarebic

SegviZina. es organizacia Tavadve

gvikveTavda fexsacmels da imdenad

xarisxian nawarms vuSvebdiT,

rom ori wlis ganmavlobaSi rogorc

saqarTveloSi, ise postsab-

WoTa sivrceSi urigebdnen SSm pirebs

da socialurad daucvelebs.

_ anu 90-ian wlebSi, rodesac

naxevari saqarTvelo umuSevari

iyo da SimSilobda, SSm pirebis

sawarmo muSaobda?

_ diax, isic saerTaSoriso

organizaciebis daxmarebiT. 50-

mde SSm piri gvyavda dasaqmebuli.

am or patara nagebobas rom xedavT,

savalalo mdgomareobaSi

dagvxvda da organizacia „qaunTer

farTi” dagvexmara garemontebaSi.

damatebiTi erTi oTaxi ki

CexeTis saelCos xelSewyobiT

avaSeneT. sxvaTa Soris, am ukanasknels

hqonda Zalian Zlieri

profesiuli gadamzadebis programa,

romlis farglebSic SSm da

iZulebiT gadaadgilebul pirebs

vamzadebdiT da Semdeg vasaqmebdiT.

im doneze Seiswavleboda

CvenTan namzadis kerva da modelireba,

rom mere TavianTi sacxovrebeli

korpusebis ezoebSi

dgamdnen jixurebs da SekeTebaze

muSaobdnen. sul am programis

farglebSi 200-mde SezRuduli

SesaZleblobis mqone piri gadavamzadeT.

_ problemebi rodis daiwyo?

_ Cven aq SemovediT 1990 wels,

1995 wels ki gadmovida Tavdacvis

saministros lojistikis depar-

`me TviTon mivedi `vaJaobaze~ ivaniSvilTan.

movuyevi es yvelaferi da, sxvaTa Soris,

yuradRebiT momismina. gverdiT edga giorgi

kvirikaSvili. ivaniSvilma dauZaxa da hkiTxa, -

ratom aWianurebT am saqmes da ar

akmayofilebTo? kvirikaSvilma upasuxa, rom

yruebisa da usinaTloebis analogiur

problemaze vmuSaobT da imaT sakiTxTan

erTad amaTi sakiTxic ganixilebao~

lado aslamazaSvili:

`modis Tavad qveynis

xelisufleba da gveubneba,

daikargeT aqedano~

tamenti. cud dReSi iyvnen, omi

axali damTavrebuli iyo qveyana-

Si, Suqi Cven miveciT da am ezodan

gadaiyvanes. maT Sesaxeb meti araferi

msmenia, sanam TiTqmis 20

wlis Semdeg, 2011 wels, Cvens ezo-

Si SemTxveviT orma samxedro pirma

Semoixeda, _ au, es ra magari

teritoria yofilao! mere Cven

Semogvxeda, dagvinaxa, rom sawarmoSi

momuSave pirebi yvela SSm

viyaviT da, _ Tqven aq ra gindaT?

vin mogcaT es teritoria? Tqveni

adgili aq ar ariso.

_ xumrobT? Tavdacvis samin-

istros TanamSromlebma?

_ 21 weli rom am adgilze moRvaweob

da mxolod saerTaSoriso

organiziebTan gaqvs urTierToba,

ori samxedro maRalCinosani geubneba,

Tan vis? _ SSm pirebs, _ vin

xarT da vis dakargvixarT, axlave

dacaleT teritoriao. 2014 wels

Tavdacvis saministros Tanam-

Sromeli movida da moitana sabu-

Ti, rom maT hqondaT aRniSnuli

teritoria aRebuli ijara-gamosyidvis

wesiT da unda dagvecala

Cvens mier dakavebuli farTi. sad

unda wavsuliyaviT, rodesac arsad

wasasvleli ar gvqonda. ra

unda meTqva aseTi adamianebisTvis,

rom afxazeTis omis dros 200

wyvili fexsacmeli Cvenma organizaciam

usasyidlod Sekera da CavitaneT

samxedroebisTvis; rom

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departamenti ivaniSvilis winaaRmdeg!

Tavad dasaxmareblebi, yovelTvis

vmonawileobdiT, Tu sadme

gaWirveba iyo; 2012 wels, kaxeTis

stiqiisas „karitasis” daxmarebiT

samasi wyvili fexsacmeli SevkereT

da TviTon „karitasma” dauriga

dazaralebulebs; 2015 wels,

vera rom adidda, 150 wyvili SevkereT

da gadaveciT saburTalos

raionis gamgeobas, romelmac es

produqcia wyaldidobiT dazaralebulebs

dauriga. 2008 wlis

omis dros devnilebs SevukereT

„karitasisa” da „xsnis armiis” daxmarebiT

1200 wyvili fexsacmeli.

ra minda vTqva: am wlebis ganmavlobaSi

sul qveynis samsaxurSi

viyaviT ise, rom saxelmwifosTvis

erTi TeTric ar gviTxovia. Tavad

varCendiT ojaxebs da aqeT vexmarebodiT

sxvebs. da ai, modis Tavad

qveynis xelisufleba da

gveubneba, daikargeT aqedano.

_ „pentagonis” gaidlainebiT

rom muSaobs Cveni Tavdacva, aSS-

Si „pentagonis” maRalCinosani

SSm pirebTan rom misuliyo da

teritoriis warTmeva moendome-

bina, amaze, minimum, Tavdacvis

ministrs

daatovebinebdnen

posts, maqsimum _ sisxlis sama-

rTlis pasuxisgebaSi miscemdnen...

_ mokled, oficialurad gamogvicxades,

rom es teritoria

mogvwons, es aris Cveni mimdebare

da axla unda SemovierToTo. mogvTxoves

dokumentebi da miveciT.

_ gqondaT flobis damadas-

turebeli sabuTi?

_ ra Tqma unda! „xsnis armia”,

„karitasi” da saelCoebi rogor

dagvidebdnen xelSekrulebas am

dokumentebis gareSe? waiRes es

sabuTebi, yvelaferi gamogvarTves.

erTi kviris Semdeg dabrundnen

da gviTxres, _ es ar aris

iuridiuli dokumenti da Tqven

unda waxvideT aqedano.

_ ra dokumentebi gaataneT?

_ is, rac gamgeobam mogvca da

adgilobrivma municipalitetma

teritoriis gadmocemis Sesaxeb.

Tavdacvis saministros maRalCinosnebs

vuTxariT, rom dagvibruneT

Cveni dokumentebi da gaeros

mier inicirebuli iuristebi

gaarkveven, aris Tu ara iuridiuli

sabuTio. amaze gviTxres, _ ver

dagibrunebT, davkargeTo(?!!).

_ batono lado, rasac axla

Tqven yvebiT, kriminalia. ras

hqvia, dakarges Tqven mier teritoriis

flobis damadasturebe-

li dokumenti?

_ modiT, jer SemomxedeT; axla

Cems TanamSromlebs _ Zlivs gadavaadgildebiT

da saerTod ar

varT garkveuli am iuridiul

detalebSi. arasodes aravin Segvxebia,

imitom rom dilis 8 saaTidan

saRamomde vkeravdiT Cvens

produqcias da sxva ramisTvis ar

gvecala. Tavidan ver gavigeT, ra

undoda Tavdacvis saministros.

maSin daviwye moqmedeba, rodesac

xma momivida, rom aq saxlis aSeneba

undodaT. maT dagvingries gamyofi

galavani da daangries tansacmlis

kervis sawarmoebi, sveli

wertilebi, yvelaferi dagvingries.

moitanes burRebi da daiwyes

miwis mdgradobis Semowmeba...

_ Tavdacvis saministros ko-

rpusisTvis?

`Zalian SeeSindaT, rom Cvens yofil galavans aRvadgendiT, amitom 50-mde

manqana SeSa moitanes da ezoSi dagviyares. dRes uzarmazari mTa gvaqvs xis

morebis Cvens teritoriaze. simoni aris prezidentis mrCeveli, Tavadac SSm

piria da cota xnis winaT telexidi mqonda masTan da Tavdacvis

saministros warmomadgenelTan. am telexidis dros Tqves, rom es

teritoria Cvens balansze ar ariso~

_ ara, kerZo korpusis.

_ saministro ra SuaSia

amasTan?

_ saministros kerZo pirebi,

konkretuli maRalCinosnebi. es

ambavi dipkorpusma imdroindel

Tavdacvis ministramde miitana,

Tan burRvisas miwidan amovida

gruntis wylebi. saboloo jamSi,

ar viciT ram ganaproba - adamianurma

faqtorma Tu saelCoebis Zalisxmevam,

magram yvelanairi moqmedeba

Cvens teritoriaze Sewyda.

_ Tqveni sabuTebis asli ar-

qivSi ar iqneba?

_ 90-ian wlebSi gamgeobis mier

gacemuli dokumenti rogor iqneba

arqivSi? axali mTavrobis imedi

mqonda, imitom rom wina xelisuflebis

lojistikis departamenti

SemoWris mcdelobebs ar

wyvetda.

_ „qarTuli ocnebis” mosvlis

Semdeg Sewyda Tqveni Seviwroeba?

_ ufro gaZlierda. Cvenc daviwyeT

brZola gadarCenisTvis. rogorc

ki „qarTuli ocneba” movida

xelisuflebis saTaveSi, prezidentTan

arsebul sakoordinacio

sabWos mivmarTeT. manamde 2-

3-jer mainc gvqonda miwerili

werili prezidentTan, magram aranairi

pasuxi ar mogvsvlia. bolos

aTamde saerTaSoriso organizacia

Caeria da sakordinacio sab-

Wom gaitana Cveni sakiTxi mTavrobis

sxdomaze. Seiqmna komisia, dagvibares

ekonomikis saministroSi,

`beqa nacvliSvili, Tavis droze, gaxldaT

premieris aparatTan arsebuli miwis

legalizaciis komitetis Tavmjdomare da

yvelaferi icoda Cven Sesaxeb. movida,

moiyvana Tavdacvis saministrodan xalxi,

daiTanxma isini, rom xels aiRebdnen sxvisi

teritoriisgan, yvelaferi kargad midioda da

mere yvelaferi gaCerda. rom vekiTxebodi,

beqa, ra moxda-meTqi? - Cumdeboda. me im

daskvnamde mivedi, rom viRacas interesebSi

devs aq saxlis aSeneba. aq SSm pirebi vmuSaobT

da varsebobT. Tavdacvis saministrosTan

aranairi Sexeba ar gvaqvs~

ganixiles Cveni sakiTxi da gadawyda,

rom misi aRsruleba, anu teritoriis

uzurfruqtiT CvenTvis

gadmocema qonebis marTvis saagentos

unda aResrulebina. magram es

brZaneba qonebis marTvaSi gaCerda.

Tavdacvis saministros lojistikis

departamentma isev daiwyo

Semotevebi da 2014 wels isev mivmarTeT

weriliT prezidents. 2015

wels ki am sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT

biZina ivaniSvils SevxvdiT.

_ migiRoT?

_ ‘vaJaobis~ saxalxo dResaswaulze,

SSm pirebs CargalSi gvqonda

RonisZieba, romelzec xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebi Camovidnen.

me TviTon mivedi „vaJaobaze”

ivaniSvilTan. movuyevi es yvelaferi

da, sxvaTa Soris, yuradRebiT

momismina. gverdiT edga

giorgi kvirikaSvili. ivaniSvilma

dauZaxa da hkiTxa, _ ratom aWianurebT

am saqmes da ar akmayofilebTo?

kvirikaSvilma upasuxa,

rom yruebisa da usinaTloebis

analogiur problemaze vmuSaobT

da imaT sakiTxTan erTad amaTi sakiTxic

ganixilebao.

_ anu yruebsac da usinaTlo-

ebsac teritoriebs arTmevdnen?

_ diax. gagiJdebiT, rom gaigoT,

ra xdeba! mokled, ivaniSvilma

ki daavala Cems Tvalwin kvirikaSvils,

magram araferic ar

ganixiles, imitom, rom premieris

saxelze gagzavnili bolo werili

da, zogadad, yvelaferi qonebis

marTvaSi Cerdeba. piradad Cven

sul bolo werili mogvivida ori

wlis winaT. Tavdacvis saministros

lojistikis departamentma

mogvwera, rom saswrafod gagvi-

TavisufleT teritoria, Torem

sasamarTlos gadagcemTo. am weriliT

parlamentar rati ionaTamiSvils

mivmarTe, romelic adamianis

uflebebis dacvis komitetis

Tavmjdomare iyo. deputati saministros

daukavSirda, _ ra xdeba,

xalxo, raebs werTo? Tavdacvis

saministros lojistikis departamentidan

warmomadgenlebi movidnen,

viRac polkovniki mobrZanda

da gviTxra, _ eg werili Tqven

raRac arasworad gaigeTo, iyaviT,

mobrZandiT, ramdeni xanic gnebavT,

imdeni xanio, magram es teritoria

Cven gvinda da Cven unda

davikanonoTo.

_ TviTon es teritoria

viszea?

_ Zalian SeeSindaT, rom Cvens

yofil galavans aRvadgendiT, amitom

50-mde manqana SeSa moitanes

da ezoSi dagviyares. dRes uzarmazari

mTa gvaqvs xis morebis Cvens

teritoriaze. simoni aris prezidentis

mrCeveli, Tavadac SSm piria

da cota xnis winaT telexidi

mqonda masTan da Tavdacvis saministros

warmomadgenelTan. am telexidis

dros Tqves, rom es teritoria

Cvens balansze ar ariso.

_ Tu maT balansze ar aris, ra

uflebiT gedavebian?

_ Tavdacvis saministro 1995

wels gadmovida da rogorc giTxariT,

Suqi ar hqondaT, me mTxoves

da Cemidan gadaWimes. me vaZlevdi

dens. es teritoria, Tavis droze,

gamgeobam gadmogvca Cven _ „Sez-

Ruduli SesaZleblobis pirTa

dasaqmebis kavSirs”, romelsac

oTxi damfuZnebeli hyavs. oTxive

SSm piria. kavSirs aqvs konkretuli

gegma. tansacmlis kervis sawarmo

Tavdacvis saministos maRal-

Cinosnebma rom dagvingries, xelaxla

avaSenebT, waramara rom ar

gveWrebodnen. miviRebdiT tenderebSi

monawileobas, SevukeravdiT

uniformebs. donori organizaciebi,

saelCoebi yvelani mzad

arian, gverdiT dagvidgnen. iaponiis

saelCo ukve mzad aris, magram

Tavdacvis saministro ambobs, _

araviTar SemTxvevaSio! gasagebia,

rom Tavisi interesi aqvT. arada,

Cven qarTuli warmoebis ganvi-

Tareba gvinda.

_ Tqveni raionis deputati vin

iyo?

_ Cveni deputati iyo beqa nacvliSvili.

_ rame gagikeTaT?

_ ai, ra gagvikeTa! beqa nacvliSvili,

Tavis droze, gaxldaT

premieris aparatTan arsebuli

miwis legalizaciis komitetis

Tavmjdomare da yvelaferi icoda

Cven Sesaxeb. movida, moiyvana

Tavdacvis saministrodan xalxi,

daiTanxma isini, rom xels aiRebdnen

sxvisi teritoriisgan, yvelaferi

kargad midioda da mere

yvelaferi gaCerda. rom vekiTxebodi,

beqa, ra moxda-meTqi? _ Cumdeboda.

me im daskvnamde mivedi,

rom viRacas interesebSi devs aq

saxlis aSeneba. aq SSm pirebi vmuSaobT

da varsebobT. Tavdacvis

saministrosTan aranairi Sexeba ar

gvaqvs. Cvens gvaqvs calke Sesasvleli,

calke gayvanili eleqtroenergia

da wyali.

_ axali mTavrobis imedi

gaqvT?

_ darwmunebuli var, biZina

ivaniSvilma ar icis, rom ar varT

dakmayofilebulebi da dRemde

ver moxerxda CvenTvis am obieqtis

gadmocema. ra gamodis, rom

viRacas hqonda imedi, biZinas es

daaviwydeba da xels moiTbobda?

ra vqnaT? Tu saxelmwifo ar

gvicavs, SSm pirebma Cveni Tavi

Tavadve unda davicvaT.Cveni SSm

pirebi Cvenve unda davicvaT.

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`qarTuli ocnebis~ Stabad gadaqceuli

mmarTveli gundis RonisZiebeb-

nene injgia

Si monawileoba, „qarTuli ocneb-

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is” mxardaWera, partiul aqtivobe-

bSi CarTva _ es im moTxovnebis Cam-

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studentebs TviTmmarTvelobis xelmZRvanelebi sTxoven. ufro

konkretulad ki davalebebis gacemaSi aqtiurad arian CarTule-

bi TviTmmarTvelobis xelmZRvaneli rati (rezi) gurgeniZe da

departamentis TanamSromeli avTandil adeiSvili.

stu-s student sesili Tod-

uas TqmiT, ukve 2 welia, rac

universiteti „qarTuli ocnebis”

mxardamWer dawesebulebad iqca.

miuxedavad imisa, rom sesilim

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ufro konkretulad, rogor

iqca stu „qarTuli ocnebis”

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uas esaubra:

_ 2 welia, Cvens universitetSi

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Semovida universitetSi da amas

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am yvelaferSi ar CaerTveba,

ver eqneba srulfasovani studenturi

cxovreba. martivad rom

giTxraT, Tu ar moqmedeb mmarTveli

partiis sasargeblod, verafers

miiReb.

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gviTxraT, vin da ris gakeTebas

gTxovT?

_ 2018 wlis saprezidento

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informacia ar iZebneba. aseve gagvafrTxiles,

rom amomrCevlebis

raodenobis Sesaxeb informacia

Cveni TviTmmarTvelobis prezidentisTvis

unda migvewera. saarCevno

ubanze Tu rame moxdeboda,

amis Sesaxebac informacia unda

migvewodebina.

_ amis sanacvlod iRebdiT Tu

ara anazRaurebas? Tu gagCeniaT

kiTxva, ratom gTxovdnen amis

gakeTebas da uaris SemTxvevaSi

ra reaqcia hqondaT?

_ anazRaurebis Sesaxeb araferi

uTqvamT. rac Seexeba kiTxvis

meore nawils, Cven xSirad gagvCenia

es kiTxva, magram gveubnebodnen,

rom Tu amaSi monawileobas ar

miviRebdiT, kargi studenturi

cxovreba da grafiki ar gveqneboda.

studentebSi yovelTvis iyo

SiSi, rom akademiuri kuTxiT Seuqmnidnen

problemebs an romelime

RonisZiebaSi ar CarTavdnen. xan

ironiulad gveubnebodnen, rom es

unda gagvekeTebina, xanac _ oficialurad,

_ amis gareSe araferi

gamovao. 2018 wlis saprezidento

arCevnebis Semdeg TviTmmarTevlobis

prezidentma rati (rezi)

gurgeniZem da avTo adeiSvilma 50

000 lari moitanes „qarTuli ocnebis”

partiidan, TviTmmarTvelobis

departamentis Tavmjdomareebs

misces da uTxres, rom CvenTvis

CaericxaT, Cven ki 40 lari Cagvericxa.

amis Semdeg meore turzec

gagviSves. gaviyineT, gvSioda,

magram es aravis ainteresebda,

mTavari iyo, aqtivobis Sesaxeb informacia

migvewodebina. zogadad,

am adamianebs ar ainteresebdaT,

ra gvawuxebda. rom gvetyodnen,

aqciaze wadiTo, uari ar miiReboda.

erTxel maxsovs, vuTxari, _

fuli ar maqvs da aqciaze ver

waval-meTqi. gurgeniZem taqsi gamomiZaxa

da ise gamiSva elene xoStarias

winaaRmdeg gamarTul aqciaze.

logikurad gamiCnda kiTxva,

_ amdeni kameraa da mere me rom

problema Semeqmnas, amaze pasuxismgebeli

vin aris-meTqi? razedac

ironiulad mpasuxobdnen:

„zemoT yvelam icis da „gapravebulia”

es yvelaferio”. 20 ivniss

me piradad mqonda protestis

grZnoba da mindoda aqciaze dgoma,

radgan Cveni qveynis parlamentSi

rusi deputati ar unda ijdes.

im dRes imis nacvlad, rom rusTavelze

vmdgariyaviT, ruseTis

saelCosTan wagviyvanes gasaprotesteblad,

sadac dacvis garda

aravin iyo. me da sxva studentebsac

gvindoda rusTavelze dgoma,

isini ki gveubnebodnen, ar gaiparoTo.

_ ar hkiTxeT, ratom gikrZa-

lavdnen rusTavelze gamarTul

aqciaze misvlas?

_ am konkretul SemTxvevaSi

gveubnebodnen, rom iq ar unda

mivsuliyaviT, radgan „nacionalebis”

aqcia iyo. me arc „qarTuli

ocneba” da arc „nacionaluri

moZraoba” ar mainteresebda arasdros.

CemTvis mniSvneloba ar

hqonda im aqciaze, romeli partia

iqneboda, mxolod Cemi protesti

msurda gamomexata. me da ramdenime

studenti mainc mivediT rusTavelze

gamarTul aqciaze. 20

ivnisis Semdeg dagvirekes da gvi-

Txres, rom rusTavelze unda mivsuliyaviT,

sadac „qarTuli ocnebis”

axalgazrduli organizaciis

wevrebi dagvxvdnen, maT Soris

iyvvnen rati gurgeniZe da avTo

adeiSvili. maT yvelam erTad moilaparakes,

rom Cvengan erT-erTi

unda asuliyo tribunasTan da

eTqva: „nacebi cudebi arian”. amis

garda, „taqsebis” TeTrad gadaRebvis

moTxovnis gamo taqsis mZRolebi

aqcias marTavdnen, rom maT

amis saSualeba ar gaaCndaT, paralelurad,

studentebi meriasTan

politizebuli teqnikuri universiteti da

studentebis SantaJi _ ras hyveba stu-s studenti?!

migviyvanes, robotebiviT dagvayenes,

zogi nawili ambobda, rom

taqsi aucileblad TeTri unda

yofiliyo. 2020 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebis mmarTveli partiis

klipebSi stu-s TviTmmarTvelobis

prezidenti, Tavmjdomareebi,

moadgileebi _ yvelani klipSi

arian, ukve Tamamad gamodian. rac

mTavaria, Cveni studentebis gadaxdili

fuliT SeZenil avtobusebs

eseni iyeneben aqciebze sasiarulod.

prezident zurabiSvilis wardgenaze,

sportis sasaxleSi studentebis

misayvanad, TiTo studentSi

5 lari aiRes, saRamos ki

restoranSi iqeifes. aseve am saparlamento

arCevnebze yvela

fakultetze mosTxoves, minimum,

200-kaciani siebi, sadac unda yofiliyo

im adamianebis saxelebi da

gvarebi, romlebic „qarTul ocnebas”

uWerdnen mxars. vfiqrob,

rom universitets saswavlo-saganmanaTleblo

daniSnuleba aqvs

da studentebs politikuri miznebisTvis

ar unda iyenebdnen.

_ Tu gqondaT protesti imaze,

rom TviTmmarTvelobis prezi-

denti politikuri miznebisTvis

iyenebda studentebs, aqamde ra-

tom ar gamoxatavdiT sajarod?

_ es protesti yovelTvis

gvqonda da vambobdiT, rom ar

gvindoda msgavss aqtivobebSi monawileoba,

magram aq Cndeboda

fraza: „saerTo saqmes sWirdeba”,

_ simarTle giTxraT, dRemde ver

vxvdebi, ra aris es saerTo saqme.

me bevri SiSis gadalaxva momiwia

manam, sanam sajarod gamovxatavdi

Cems protests. sabolood gadavlaxe

yvela SiSi da 2020 wlis

14 oqtombers davwere posti, sadac

vsaubrobdi am Temaze. am

posts didi gamoxmaureba moyva,

zogma mxari damiWira, magram umravlesoba

mwerda, _ xom ici, ra

qveyanaSi vcxovrobT, gaCumdi, sakuTar

Tavs uCaliCebo. aseve momwera

stu-s leqtorma giorgi bocvaZem,

romelmac universitetis

maRali Tanamdebobis pirebTan

Sexvedra SemomTavaza, razedac

`Cveni studentebis gadaxdili fuliT SeZenil

avtobusebs eseni iyeneben aqciebze sasiarulod.

prezident zurabiSvilis wardgenaze, sportis

sasaxleSi studentebis misayvanad, TiTo

studentSi 5 lari aiRes, saRamos ki

restoranSi iqeifes. aseve am saparlamento

arCevnebze yvela fakultetze mosTxoves,

minimum, 200-kaciani siebi, sadac unda

yofiliyo im adamianebis saxelebi da gvarebi,

romlebic `qarTul ocnebas~ uWerdnen mxars~

vupasuxe: sajarod imitom vTqvi,

rom SigniT es problema aravis

awuxebs-meTqi. am nawilSi aRsaniSnavia,

rom bocvaZes aSkarad daavales,

CemTvis feisbuqze moewera:

„sofio, rogor xar?” realurad,

arc ki dauxedavs, ra merqva, aSkarad

davalebuli hqonda CemTan

komunikacia. faqtia, rom es posti

yvelam naxa. Tumca studentebis

problemebi aravis ainteresebs,

mxolod imaze fiqroben, rom

universitets saxeli ar gaufu-

Wdes. imaze uaresi ra unda daemarTos,

rac axla sWirs _ mTeli

stu partiuli gaxda. Cemi postis

dadebidan 3 dReSi studentebSi

gavrcelda informacia, rom Cemi

piradi cxovrebis amsaxveli kadrebis

atvirTvas apirebdnen. imis

miuxedavad, rom es emociurad

Zalian mZime iyo CemTvis, ar Sem-

Sinebia da am yvelaferze sajarod

daviwye saubari, rom adamianebi

arakanonieri gziT cdiloben

Cem gaCumebas. saerTo CaTidan

maqvs mimowerebi, sadac imaze saubroben,

rom Cem mimarT cenzura

gaxsnilia, aseve zogi maTgani

wers, rom bitebiT movlen, rac

imas niSnavs, rom Cems cemas apirebdnen.

tyuilad cdiloben, radgan

es adamianebi verc daSinebiT

da verc sxva gziT ver gamaCereben.

minda aRvniSno isic, rom Cvens

universitetSi yvela auditoria-

Si ayenia kamera, romelic iwers

rogorc gamosaxulebas, aseve

xmas, rac aris ukanano. Tavad am

saqciels imiT amarTleben, rom

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TiTqos teqnikuri universiteti leqciebs iweren, magram 6

welia am universitetSi var da

erTi leqcia ar maqvs iqidan nanaxi.

ratom gvismenen da ratom

gvizRudaven Tavisuflad saubris

saSualebas?! dagvcinian studentebs,

pirvel korpusSi kedlebic

ki lurjad SeiReba, Cveni universitetis

Sindisferi gerbic am

kedelze, ratomRac, lurji feria.

sircxvilia es yvelaferi.

_ ra aris Tqveni moTxovnebi?

_ Cveni moTxovnaa, rom rezi

(oficialurad rati) gurgeniZe ar

unda iyos TviTmmarTvelobis

prezidenti, aucileblad unda

daiSalos arsebuli TviTmmarTveloba

yvela fakultetze da

Catardes xelaxali arCevnebi, rogorc

wesi da rigia da ara ise,

rogorc aqamde atarebdnen. amavdroulad,

viTxovT kulturis,

sportisa da socialur sakiTxTa

departamentis ufrosis moadgile

avTo adeiSvilis ganTavisuflebas.

swored igi atarebs partiul

ideologias studentebSi.

_ ramdeni studenti iziarebs

Tqvens moTxovnebs?

_ axla mTavari problema korona

virusia, epidemiologiuri

TvalsazrisiT aseTi rTuli vi-

Tareba rom ar iyos, ufro bevri

studenti viqnebodiT. nebismier

drosa da adgilas davjdebi maT-

Tan debatebSi. razedac visaubre,

yvelafris foto-video mtkicebulebebi

maqvs. erTi ram xazgasmiT

minda aRvniSno: universitet-

Si swavla marTla maRal donezea,

es problemebi mxolod TviTmmarTvelobas

exeba.

„qronika+~-is zarebs ar pasuxoben

stu-s TvTmmarTvelobis

prezidenti rati gurgeniZe da

departamentis TanamSromeli av-

To adeiSvili.

3 noembers baTumSi opoziciis mier organize-

xviCa mamulaZe

buli saprotesto aqciebis seria daiwyo. poli-

598 41 12 26

tikuri partiebis liderebis mTavari gzavnilebi

2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebis xelmeo-

red Catareba da biZina ivaniSvilis wasvlaa.

aqcia yoveldRiur reJimSi iyo daanonsebuli

aWaris mTavrobis saxlis win, magram

4 noembers baTumSi, saarCevno olqis

win mimdinare saprotesto aqciis dros,

Caimsxvra saolqo komisiis Senobis gverdiT

mdebare silamazis salonis vitrina,

ris gamoc 5 adamiani daSavda.

aqciis dros davSavdi me, „qronika+”-is

Jurnalisti xviCa mamulaZe; „nacionaluri

moZraobis” erT-erTi lideri giorgi kir-

TaZe, Sss-s operatori da aqciis 2 aqtivisti

saswrafo daxmarebis brigadam saavadmyofoSi

gadaiyvana.

am faqtis Semdeg „erTiani nacionaluri

moZraobis” wevrma mirdat qamadaZem sagangebo

brifingze gadawyvetileba miiRo

da aqciebi droebiT 8 noembramde gaaCera:

„Cven kviramde daanonsebuli gvqonda

yoveldRiuri aqciebi, magram miviReT

gadawyvetileba, mTeli es resursi, vinc aq

varT, erTad gavdivarT, viSlebiT mTel

aWaraSi, vxvdebiT yvela moqalaqes, vuxsniT

kidev erTxel, Tu ra mniSvnelovania

maTi arCevanis dacva. kviras, 8 noembers,

sam saaTze, Tbilisis aqciis paralelurad,

vikribebiT aq da maSin naxavs xelisufleba

im xalxis Zalas, visac mopara arCevnebi”,

ganacxada mirdat qamadaZem.

8 noembridan isev ganaxlda baTumSi

opoziciis aqcia. aqciis monawileebi aprotestebdnen

31 oqtombris saparlamento

arCevnebis Sedegebs. maTi gancxadebiT,

arCevnebi saqarTveloSi gayalbda. aqciaSi

sxvadasxva politikuri partia monawileobda.

aqciis monawileebi mTel Rames

aWaris mTavrobis saxlis win gaSlil

karvebSi aTenebdnen.

„qronika+~ dainteresda, Tu ras apireben

politikuri liderebi? rogor gaagr-

Zeleben isini brZolas? ra molodini

aqvT? daemorCilebian Tu ara SezRudvebs,

komendantis saaTs, romelic saqarTvelo-

Si ukve dReidan amoqmedda, rac iTvaliswinebs

saRamos 22:00-dan dilis 5 saaTamde

SezRudvas gadaadgilebaze.

gTavazobT liderebis komentarebs:

beqa diasamiZe _ „strategia aRmaSeneb-

lis” maJoritarobis kandidati:

„mTvari gzavnili aris, rom pirvel rig-

Si davibrunoT gayalbebuli xmebi, meore:

gadadges Tamar Jvania dakavebuli Tanamdebobidan

gundTan erTad... mesame: CavatroT

xelaxali arCevnebi da gavuSvaT es

xelisufleba saxlSi... dRes aris Zalian

mniSvnelovani dRe, bevri adamiani gamovida

gareT xmebis dasacavad da gamarjvebamde

vibrZolebT. yvela ubanze gvyavda

warmomadgneli, magram maTi mravalwliani

N28 (330) 10.11-16.11.2020 w.

gamocdilebis miuxedavad, ceskos Tanam-

Sromlebi fsiqologiurad aviwroebdnen

Cvens wevrebs, ramdenime gamouSves kidec

ubnebidan xmebis daTvlis dros, magram

mainc SevZeliT xmebis dacva. oqmebi Casworda,

bevri oqmi Seusabamo iyo arsebul

realobasTan. saCivari davwereT, magram

igi reagirebis gareSe darCa”.

irakli kupraZe _ „lelo saqarTvel-

osTvis” maJoritarobis kandidati:

„arCevnebi gayalbda! _ es aris faqti.

dRes opozicia ase erTani arasdros yofila.

erTmaneTisgan gansxvavebuli partiebi

da adamianebi erT gundaT Seikrnen. sazogadoeba

daaRalata da moatyua biZina

ivaniSvilma. mTvari moTxovnaa ganmeorebi-

Ti arCevnebi, raTa SevZloT damoukidebel,

partiebis zewolisgan, finansuri Carevisgan,

terorisgan Tavisufal garemoSi CavataroT

demokratiuli arCevnebi, rac gaajansaRebs

politikur garemos, gamogviyvans

yvela krizisidan. es aris ZiriTadi

nawili. bZolas gavagrZelebT bolomde,

sanam ar mivaRwevT sasurvel Sedegs.

ivaniSvili ver mougebs qarTvel xalxs,

radgan Rirseba metia fulze”.

goCa gugunava _ „Cveni saqarTelo _

solidarobis aliansis” maJoritarobis

kandidati:

„vapirebT mosaxleobis azrisa da xmebis

dacvas, rac mogvpara „qarTulma ocnebam”

da biZina ivaniSvilma. bolomde aq

vidgebiT, sanam ar CavatarebT riggareSe

arCevnebs. ar gavCerdebiT, sanam ar mivaRwevT

Sedegs. aq gaSlili gvaqvs ramdinime

karavi da vapirebT, RamiTac gamovxatoT

protesti. Cven vicavT yvela wess da daumorCileblobas

vucaxadebT komentandis

saaTs, romelic orSabaTidan amoqmeddeba”.

levan varSalomiZe _ „erTiani nacionaluri

moZraobis” maJoritarobis kandi-

dati:

„mTavari aris qarTveli xalxis Rirseba,

romelic sastikad Seilaxa. sadac xalxi

dadgeba, iq viqnebiT Cvenc. Cveni gegma

Zalian martivia _ erTxel da samudamod

gauqmdes Sedegebi da Catardes xelaxali

arCevnebi. mosaxleobasTan erTad davdgebiT

yvelagan da davicavT maT xmas, yoveldRe

vibrZolebT”.

murman dumbaZe _ gaerTianebuli

opoziciis warmomadgeneli:

„90-iani wlebidan moyolebuli saqar-

Tvelos moqalaqe quCaSi gamodis erTder-

Ti moTxovniT, rom mis garemoSi qveyanaSi

iyos samarTali. roca samarTali ar aris,

opoziciis masStaburi

aqciebis seria baTumSi

xalxi gamodis gareT da dgeba erTad. 2020

wlis 31 oqtombers saqarTvelos moqalaqeebma

CaTvales, rom arCevnebi Catarda

gayalbebiT, usamarTlod, zewolis qveS,

daZalebiT susis mier, saqarTvelos moqalaqeebis

neba adekvaturad ar aisaxa da

xalxi gamovida quCaSi. verc erTi politikuri

Zala, verc erTi politikuri lideri,

verc erTi politikosi am xalxs ver

etyvis, rom Sevides saxlSi ukan, radgan

misi politikuri uflebaa, daicvas saku-

Tari xma, romelic man gasca arCevnebze.

davuSvaT, am SedegiT, rac ceskom dado,

advili misaxvedria, rom „qarTulma ocnebam”

waago es arCevnebi da moigo opoziciam.

1 970 000 amomrCevlidan 1 000 000 xma

miiRo opoziciam, 900 000 xma miiRo xelisuflebam,

anu xelisufleba prororciuli

wesiT damarcxda. biZina ivaniSvili amaze

unda daTanxmdes. Tu xelaxali arCevnebi

ar Catardeba, maSin qveyanaSi iqneba mudmivi

destabilizacia quCebSi, saxelmwifo

SenobebTan da mudmivi daZabuloba xelisuflebasa

da xalxs Soris, es ki saxelmwifos

CamorCenis mTvari mizezi gaxdeba.

komendantis saaTi dauwesebiaT sxva xelisuflebebsac.

saqarTvelos moqalaqes

samarTali, mSvidoba unda, komendantis saaTi

ki mSvidobas ver moitans. xalxi komendantis

saaTs ki ar iTxovs, aramed samar-

Tlianobas. Tu samarTlianoba damkvidrdeba,

Cven wavalT saxlebSi, Tu arada, aq

davrCebiT bolomde”.

bondo TedoraZe _ „erTiani nacionaluri

moZraobis” qobuleTis maJoritar-

obis kandidati:

„dRes mimdinareobs xmebis dacvis procesi.

xalxi gamovida quCaSi, opozicia

gaerTinda, arc erTi Sesula parlamentSi

da dadga xalxTan xmebis dasacavad, romelic

wagvarTva biZina ivaniSvilma. uprecedento

SantaJi da mosyidva vixileT. kargad

viciT, Tu rogor ixdida Sav fuls

biZina ivaniSvili TiToeul xmaSi, TiToeul

amomrCevelSi da im adamianebSi, romlebic

realurad iyvnen Cveni momxreebi da

isini moisyida. magram Zalian bevr ubanze

opoziciam xmebis daTvlis procesSi gaimarjva,

Tumca oqmebi sapirispirod daiwera.

simarTlisTvis da samarTlianobisTvis

unda iTqvas, rom bevrma Cvenma warmomadgenelma

ki gviRalata didi Tanxis safasurad

da am marazmsa da bevr sibinZureze

daxuWes Tvali, Tumca imaze, rom arCevnebi

realurad gayalbda, Cven ki ara, „qarTuli

ocnebis” momxreebic saubroben. piradad

Seveswari Zalian bevr faqts, sadac

„karuseli” daatriales, aseve daariges

fuli, gvaqvs video da foto masala. es

yvelaferi rom SevajamoT, aq vicavT warTmeul

uflebas”.

SegaxsenebT: opoziciuri partiebi protestis

niSnad ar apireben Sesvlas saqarTvelos

parlamentsa da aWaris umaRles

sabWoSi. baTumis sasamarTloSi opozicia

300-ze met oqms asaCivrebs.

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imisTvis, rom Semeqmna rame Rirebuli, ase gaCnda „stu-

neti” (studenturi televizia), sivrce, sadac ganviTarebaze,

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belma gundma moiyara Tavi. gavida dro, movlenebi sxvanairad

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yvelaze didi Ralati sakuTari Tavis. hoda, gadavwyvite, davarRvio

dumili, romelic am xnis ganmavlobaSi Signidan mWam-

da. ar vapirebT gaCerebas, arc danebebas. es universitetia,

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_ Cven kiTxvebi gva-

qvs, mogiwevT pasuxis gacema!”

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rebulma, kulturis, sportisa

da socialur sakiTxTa depar-

tamentis TanamSromelma akaki

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qeburia „qronika+~-sTan uka-

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televiziaze, aramiznobrivad

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Si dasaqmebul naTesavebsa da

gaberil xarjebze saubrobs.

ra mocemulobis winaSe dganan

da rogor apireben studen-

tebi

samarTlianobisTvis

brZolas? _ aRniSnuli Temis

Sesaxeb interviu akaki qeburi-

asTan:

_ saqarTvelos teqnikur universitetSi

sainJinro ekonomikis,

media teqnologiebisa da

socialur mecnierebaTa fakultetia,

romlis studentebmac

meti praqtikis misaRebad da kvleviTi

sivrcisTvis media teqnologiebis

departamentSi 2014

wels SevqmeniT laboratoria,

sadac am fakultetis studentebs

praqtikuli unar-Cvevebi unda

mieRoT. Cvenma proeqtma gaamarTla

da imave wels SevqmeniT

laboratoriaze dafuZnebuli

studenturi televizia „stuneti”,

romelic studentebiT iyo

dakompleqtebuli. am televiziaSi

ZiriTadi gundi arsebobda,

Tumca stu-s yvela students

SesaZlebloba hqonda, gaevlo

staJireba da survilis Sem-

TxvevaSi nebismier students

SeeZlo am mimarTulebiT CarT-

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`saxe da saxel dakarguli

va. 2014 wlidan 2018 wlamde

studentebs aranairi dafinanseba

ar gaaCndaT. Cven gviTxres,

rom studentebs universiteti

Tanxas veranairad ver gadauxdida.

ramdenjerme iyo waxaliseba

studenturi jildos

saxiT da garkveuli Tanxac CaericxaT.

2018 wlamde isini aqtiurad

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televiziis muSaobaSi, dadiodnen

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siuJetebi saitebze itvirTeboda.

mxolod teqnika iyo universitetis.

2018 wels universitetma

avtorizaciisa da akreditaciis

moTxovnidan gamomdinare

miiRo gadawyvetileba, rom

universitetSi Semosuli Tanxebis

garkveuli procenti unda

daxarjuliyo samecniero miznebisTvis.

Cven reqtors SevTavazeT,

rom am nawilSi erTi studenturi

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CarTuli.

_ konkretulad, ras moicav-

da es proeqti?

_ proeqtis saxelwodeba iyo:

„ufro meti stu-s Sesaxeb”. mas

erTgvari sainformacio kampaniis

saxe hqonda. vinaidan studentebma

praqtikuli gamocdileba

miiRes stu-s internet televiziidan,

ukve saWiro gaxda

studentebis SenarCuneba da,

amavdroulad, am proeqtiT Sev-

ZlebdiT, universitetSi mimdinare

RonisZiebebi gagveSuqebina

da igi farTo sazogadoebisTvis

gagvecno. am proeqtze Tanxmoba

miviReT da proeqtSi monawile

àm proeqtebSi CarTulebi iyvnen: mecnierebi,

leqtorebi, romlebic saqmes akeTebdnen, magram

proeqtSi CarTuli 3 adamiani Tu saqmes

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rom fuli aeRoT, faqtobrivad, pensiasaviT

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ZiriTadad, 13 studenti akeTebda saqmes,

trenerad gaformebuli hyavdaT 35 adamiani,

maT Soris, dekanis col-Svili, megobrebi,

romlebsac arc erTxel ar CautarebiaT

treningebi da arc ki icodnen sad

mdebareobda studenturi televizia~

stu-Si arsebul

ukanonobasa da

darRvevebze

studentebi

alaparakdnen!

studentebs xelSekruleba gauformes.

giorgi kuldonaSvils,

romelic studenturi televiziis

iniciatori iyo, problemebi

Seeqmna mmarTvel gund-

Tan, radgan maT davalebebs ar

asrulebda, ris gamoc universitetSi

devnis msxverpli gaxda.

giorgi dRemde departamentis

ufrosia, Tumca ufunqciod

datoves. swored giorgis mimarT

dawyebuli devnis Semdeg

daiwyo televiziaze Seteva. ganaTlebis

saministros rekomendaciiT,

samecniero proeqtebze

10% unda ixarjebodes, Cveni

fakultetis dekanma ivane jagodniSvilma

4-milioniani biujetidan

milion-naxevari daxarja

mxolod proeqtebSi, saidanac

20 000 lari mihqonda misi

ojaxis wevrebs. am yvelafris

mtkicebulebebi arsebobs. minda,

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CarTulebi iyvnen: mecnierebi,

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akeTebdnen, magram proeqtSi

CarTuli 3 adamiani Tu saqmes

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faqtobrivad, pensiasaviT hqondaT.

aseve studentur televiziaSi,

sadac, ZiriTadad, 13 studenti

akeTebda saqmes, trenerad

gaformebuli hyavdaT 35 adamiani,

maT Soris, dekanis col-

Svili, megobrebi, romlebsac

arc erTxel ar CautarebiaT

treningebi da arc ki icodnen

sad mdebareobda studenturi

televizia.

_ roca aRmoaCineT, rom

aramiznobrivad ixarjeboda

Tanxebi, ra zomebs mimarTeT?

_ Cvens universitetSi dekans

abaria akdemiuri mxare, menejers

ki _ finansuri da materialur-teqnikuri

baza. giorgi

kuldonaSvili, amavdroulad,

iyo mediis fakultetis menejeri.

miuxedavad amisa, daaxloebiT

milion-naxevris proeqtebze,

arc erT moxsenebiT baraTsa

da brZanebaze ar aris menejeris

xelmowera, yvelaferze dekani

awerda xels, mxolod erT

proeqtzea giorgis xelmowera _

es aris studenturi televiziis

proeqti. am TemasTan dakavSirebiT

giorgi ramdenjerme mivida

reqtorTan da auxsna, rom

fakulteti krizisSi iyo, ris

gamoc fakultetze krizisebis

marTvis komisia Seiqmna, romlis

Tavmjdomarec iyo giorgi kuldonaSvili.

am komisiaSi CarTuli

viyavi, rogorc kuldonaSvilis

warmomadgeneli da procesebSi

aqtiurad viyavi CarTuli.

Cvens universitetSi franguli

arCeviTi sagania, mTel universitetSi

mxolod 7 studenti

swavlobs da 14 leqtoria. msgavsi

araerTi SemTxvevaa. aseve iyo

proeqtebi, sadac Statebi gaberili

gaxldaT. SeiZleboda, es

proeqtebi ise darCeniliyo, rom

is adamianebi CamoSorebodnen,

romlebic arafers akeTebdnen.

komisiam es yvelaferi daTvala

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teqnikuri univestiteti~

ratom daxures stu-s studenturi televizia?

da oficialurad warvadgineT.

2019 wlis pirvel marts Sedga

komisiis sxdoma da SevTanxmdiT,

rom samecniero proeqtebi droebiT

unda SeCerebuliyo, radgan

is Tanxa, rac am proeqtebs

sWirdeboda, ubralod, ar gvqonda.

oRond ar unda gaCerebuliyo

studenturi televiziis

proeqti, romlis Rirebulebac

6500 lari iyo. moxsenebiT baraTSic,

sadac SeCerebuli proeqtebi

weria, ra Tqma unda, ar

iyo studenturi televiziis

proeqti, radgan reqtorTan,

dekanTan da kanclerTanac SeTanxmebuli

gvqonda, rom es proeqti

ar SeCerdeboda. Sesabamisad,

studentebmac ganagrZes mu-

Saoba, maT martsa da aprilSi CaericxaT

Tanxa, 17 maiss ki buRalteriidan

damirekes da miTxres,

rom proeqtSi monawile

studedentebs ori Tvis ganmavlobaSi

ericxebodaT Tanxa,

romelic ar ekuTvnodaT da, savaraudod,

ukan unda daebrunebinaT.

am sakiTxis garkvevas

Sevecade buRalterTan. ori

moxsenebiTi baraTi miviRe: pirveli,

sadac SesaCerebel proeqtebSi

studenturi televiziis

proeqti ar weria; meoreSi ki

weria, romelic pirveli martiT

TariRdeboda. imJamindel mTavar

buRalter jemal alanias

vuTxari, Tu ratom ericxeboda

ori Tve am studentebs Tanxa Tu

ar ekuTvnodaT? e. i. aseT SemTxvevaSi

Tqveni pasuxismgeblobis

sakiTxi dgeba-meTqi, razedac

batonma jemalma mipasuxa: „me am

TemasTan dakavSirebiT viyavi

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Txari, am Temas ar Seviteni. br-

Zaneba, rogorc CaanacvleT,

ise „gaapraveTo”. anu man pirdapir

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Canacvlebul brZanebas ar „Seitenida”.

Semdeg dekanTan mivediT

da vkiTxeT, _ Tu proeqti

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ratom viRebdiT davalebebs

da ratom ar gagvafrTxileT

SeCerebis Sesaxeb? razedac

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miiRo proeqtis SeCerebis

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fakultetze Seqmnili ekonomikuri

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proeqtebi. dekans amis Semdeg

dawerili aqvs moxsenebiTi bara-

Ti, Tu romeli proeqtebi unda

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komisiis daskvna, romelzedac

Tavmjdomaris daskvna ar aris.

es, ra Tqma unda, seriozuli

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SeCerebuli iyo, Cumad

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lari mihqondaT, e. i studentebs

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Ton ganagrZes sargeblis miReba.

fakultetze veranair Sedegs

ver mivaRwieT. faqtia, rom maT

kiTxvebze pasuxebi ar hqondaT.

_ ra gzas mimarTeT mas Semdeg,

rac Tqvens qmedebebs Sede-

gi ar mohyolia?

_ 2019 wlis ivnisSi gavakeTeT

peticia, romlis mixedviTac

studentebi mxars uWeren studenturi

televiziis arsebobas

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4 aTasamde xelmowera

SevagroveT. rogorc wesi, Cvens

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studenturi televiziis proeqts

vxelmZRvanelobdiT me da

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Semdeg, rac Cven peticia davwereT,

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romelic gvamowmebda, davdiodiT

Tu ara samsaxurSi. am komisiaSi

Semaval adamianebs yoveldRiurad

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Tu gvamowmebdnen. sabolood,

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Cumad Caatares komisiis sxdoma

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Tin medulaSvili samsaxuridan

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Tavisuflebis motivi peticiis

Seqmna iyo? manamde Tu hqondaT

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jagodniSvili, deprtamentis TanamSromeli avTandil adeiSvili da

TviTmmarTvelobis prezidenti rati gurgeniZe, romelic yvelanairad

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Tavidan miviRebdiT sta-

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ki uxelfasod gavakeTebdiT,

rac ar awyobdaT, _ maTi

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Cvenive Seqmnili studenturi

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swored imitom gvebrZodnen,

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ocnebis” aqciebi da aqtivobebi.

2017 wels merisa da sakrebulos

arCevnebi dros mogviwia partiuli

aqtivobis gaSuqeba, ramac

studenturi televiziis SigniT

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gamoiwvia. mas Semdeg arc er-

Txel ar Segvisrulebia konkretuli

davaleba. rac Seexeba Cven

ganTavisuflebas, es dadgmuli

speqtakli iyo da imJamindel

reqtors mivmarTeT, rom es yvelaferi

gamoekvlia, is ki mimar-

Tavda dekan ivane jagodniSvils,

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viRebdiT. universitets saxels

nu gautexavT. amiT cdiloben

Cvenze zewolas da Cvens SeCerebas.

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konkretul adamianebTan, romlebic

Zalauflebasa da Tanamdebobas

borotad iyeneben. xazgasmiT

vambob, rom universitets

aravin erCis. universitetis

SigniT yvela nabiji gadavdgiT,

Tumca uSedegod, amitom aucilebelia

sajarod visaubroT am

problemebze.

_ ra aris am etapze Tqveni

moTxovna?

_ ori kviris win universitetTan

gamarTul brifingze reqtors

movTxoveT im adamianebis

dasja, romlebic, ubralod,

studenebis mier simwriT gadaxdil

fuls flangaven. es pirebi

arian: fakultetis dekani

ivane jagodniSvili, deprtamentis

TanamSromeli avTandil

adeiSvili da TviTmmarTvelobis

prezidenti rati gurgeniZe,

romelic yvelanairad cdilobs,

partiuli gaxados universiteti.

Cven viTxovT konkretul

nabijebs reqtorisgan, es adamianebi

unda daisajon imisTvis,

rac gaakeTes. aseve viTxovT ukanonod

SeCerebuli televiziis

aRdgenas. am yvelafrisTvis maT

miveciT dro. reqtori saqmis

kursSia, Cven movuyeviT es yvelaferi,

man iuridiul departamentsa

da audits am sakiTxis

mokvleva daavala. reqtors roca

vkiTxeT, ra pozicia hqonda,

man gvipasuxa: ivane jagodniSvils

arCevnebi ianvarSi uwevs da

TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebic

dekemberSia, amitom axla ramis

gakeTebas azri ar aqvso. e. i. imis

gamo, rom arCevnebia, maT es

yvelaferi unda SerCeT an kidev

uaresi, SesaZloa, arCevnebSi

moigon da isev ganagrZon Tanamdebobis

borotad gamoyeneba.

„qronika+~-is zarebs ar pasuxoben:

dekani ivane jagodniSvili,

stu-s TvTmmarTvelobis

prezidenti rati gurgeniZe da

departamentis TanamSromeli av-

To adeiSvili.

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msoflio qarTveli gamomgoneblis mier

cnobili amerikeli eqimi, doq-

Tamar rostiaSvili

tor bleiloka da „janmos” eqsper-

577 10 07 06

tebi SeSfoTebas gamoTqvamen im

uaryofiT procesebTan dakavSire-

biT, romelic cxvir-pirbadis xangrZlivi tarebiT SeiZleba iyos

ganpirobebuli. damcavi saSualebebi unda gamoiyenebodes mini-

maluri intensivobiT da mxolod gardauvali saWiroebebis dros.

Tvalebisa da sasunTqi gzebis

damcavi aseTi cxvir-pirbade

msoflioSi ar arsebobs. is mx-

olod Cven gvaqvs. ikiTxavT, es

rogor? _ cnobilma qarTvelma

gamomgonebelma, profesorma Te-

mur maisuraZem, Seqmna unikaluri

respiratori, romlis analogi

msoflioSi ar ar arsebobs.

„qronika+~ Temur maisuraZes

esaubreba:

_ dResdReobiT msoflioSi antiepidemiur

respiratorebTan

dakavSirebuli problemebi Semdegia:

bazarze arsebuli respiratorebi

srulad ar aris momdgari

saxeze da rCeba adgilebi, saidanac

SeiZleba virusma SeaRwios.

iorTqleba da adamians uWirs

didxans gaZlos mis qveS. saubris

dros niRabi moZraobs da xeliT

giwevs misi gasworeba. am dros

swored sakuTari xelebiT abi-

Znureb pirbades da gadamtani

Tavadve gamodixar. msoflioSi

erT-erT damabinZureblad iqca

gadayrili respiratorebi _ Cine-

Ti yoveldRe 115 milion niRabs

awarmoebs, amdenives indoeTi, aSS

ki uSvebs 40-60 milionamde. anu

dedamiwaze dReSi naxevar miliardze

meti respiratori iyreba. es

calke problemaa. Cemi amocana

gaxldaT, Semeqmna iseTi airwina-

Ri, romlis xangrZlivi tareba

iqneboda SesaZlebeli, aseve misi

garecxviT sterilizeba. rac mTavaria,

is, rac arc erT respirators

ar aqvs, es aris Tvalebis

dacvis funqcia. calke unda gaikeToT

saxis gamWvirvale plastikatis

niRabi da mis qveS calke pirbade.

me Sevqmeni respiratori,

sadac saTvalis moxsna da gakeTeba

SeiZleba magnituri samagrebiT.

anu xelis mitaniT maSinve ewebeba

niRabs da adviladve Zvreba. Tavad

respiratori gamokrulia

samedicino silikonisgan damzadebul

karkasSi, sadac ganTavsebulia

patar-patara magnitebi. rac

mTavaria, pirbade magnitebze aris

mikruli da saxeze ar gedebaT.

aqedan gamomdinare, sineste ar

gawuxebT, vinaidan mas silikoni

ikavebs. Tavad silikoni SevarCie

da mivuaxlove maqsimalurad adamianis

kanis e. w. 20 simkvirivis

struqturas. Sedegad, yurebsa da

saxis kanze ver grZnobT mis Sexebas,

imitom rom Tavad kans hgavs.

gaxlavT mravaljeradi gamoyenebis,

SegiZliaT Cveulebrivi sapniT

yoveldRe garecxoT, SegiZliaT

SearCioT nebismieri ferisa da

nebismieri dizainis. anu esTetikuric

aris da sruli dacvis

uzrunvelyofac SeuZlia. vinmes

eWvi rom ar Seeparos mis daculobaSi,

getyviT, rom karkasi aris

samedicino silikonisgan damzadebuli

da pirbadis Sida fenebic

gaxlavT samedicino sertificirebuli

masala. mas mosdevs da yvelas

calke SeuZlia SeiZinos filtriani

pirbadeebi, e. w. sawarmoo

daniSnulebis, romelsac gverdze

aqvs gamSvebi sarqveli. es aris

axali koncefcia, rac mTavaria,

patentunariani da ukonkurento.

nebismieri pirbade, romelic dRes

gamoiSveba, maTi gameoreba SeiZleba,

radgan gverdiT SeuZliaT gagixsnan

sawarmo da analogiuri

produqcia gamouSvan. mas konkurenti

ar hyavs, vinaidan dapatentebulia.

aseTi funqciebis matarebeli

ki dRes msoflio bazarze

arc erTi pirbade ar aris.

_ Zalian popularulia ital-

ieli dizainerebis mier Seqmnili

Cafxuti-pirpade, sadac bluTuz-

ic aris CamontaJebuli, igi 100

dolari Rirs.

_ ra Tqma unda, bazars vicnob.

am Cafxut-pirbadeebs eleqtronuli

damuxtva sWirdeba da ukve

devaisebs warmoadgens. sakmaod

mZimea da CafxutebiT mosaxleoba

ar ivlis. is ar sterilizdeba da

Tu maTSi Cayenebulia e. w. ultraiisferi

gamosxivebiT sterilizacia,

anda sxva sistema, es ukve calke

mowyobilobaa da merwmuneT,

mosaxleobas magaze ver gadaiyvan.

me vsaubrob yoveldRiurad satarebel

pirbadeebze, romelic

unda ekeTos taqsis mZRols, mu-

Sas, rigiT moqalaqes da a. S.

_ ra gamoxmaureba moyva

Tqvens gamogonebas?

_ pirvel rigSi, yvela mekiTxeba,

sad SeuZliaT SeiZinon? razec

vpasuxob, rom versad, imitom rom

warmoebaSi ar aris CaSvebuli.

eqskluziur intervius pirveli

Tqven gaZlevT. maqvs Zalian bevri

Sexvedra _ ganvixilav variantebs.

jer patara warmoebas saqarTvelos

masStabiT gavxsni da Semdeg,

TandaTanobiT, gavzrdi warmoebas.

sadistribucio kompaniebisgan

ukve maqvs SemoTavazeba. magaliTad,

erT-erTi udidesi qveynis

sadistribucio kompania Semomexmiana

da mTxova eqskluziuri

distribuciis uflebis micema. es

ukve seriozuli ganacxadebia.

saintereso is aris, rom es kompania

Tavadve awarmoebs respiratorebs.

_ distribucia gasagebia, magram

warmoebaSi investirebis wi-

nadadebebi Tu miiReT?

_ Cemi respiratorebis damzadebis

TviTRirebuleba gamodis 2

dolaramde da fasi dadgindeba

iqidan gamomdinare, Sesrulebis

rogori variacia iqneba _ sawarmoo

varianti, samedicino Tu sxva

daniSnulebis.

_ anu mosaxleobisTvis xelm-

isawvdomi iqneba?

_ ra Tqma unda. Tu gvinda sakuTari

Tavis dacva, unda gavike-

ToT axal-axali pirbade. Tu amas

gadaviyvanT larebSi dRidan pandemiis

dawyebisa, aRmoCndeba, rom

Zalian iafia is pirbade, romel-

`jer patara warmoebas saqarTvelos masStabiT

gavxsni da Semdeg, TandaTanobiT, gavzrdi

warmoebas. sadistribucio kompaniebisgan ukve maqvs

SemoTavazeba. magaliTad, erT-erTi udidesi qveynis

sadistribucio kompania Semomexmiana da mTxova

eqskluziuri distribuciis uflebis micema~

eqskluzivi

sac mosaxleobas vTavazob.

_ larebSi Tu gadaviyvanT

mTeli wlis ganmavlobaSi respi-

ratorebSi daxarjul Tanxas, 100

dolaric iafi gamova?

_ ki batono, magram 100-dolariani

niRabi ar aris is, romelic

adamianis srul dacvas iTavebs.

_ Tqvens pirbades vargisiano-

bis vada ramdeni aqvs?

_ sakuTriv silikonis karkass

aqvs 5 wlis garantia, imitom rom

es silikoni 5 wlis ganmavlobaSi

ar kargavs Tavis Tvisebebs, Casafeni

pirbadeebi ki 150 garecxvas

aitans yovelgvari problemis

gareSe.

_ rodidan apirebT warmoeba-

Si CaSvebas?

_ dResve, gamomdinare iqidan,

ra SemoTavazebebi meqneba. rogorc

ki Sevjerdebi konkretul

kompaniasTan, mis warmoebas daviwyeb.

amas dasWirdeba sam Tvemde,

vinaidan respiratorebis damamzadebeli

danadgarebi unda Sevukve-

ToT da calke davamzadebinoT.

plus, Camotana. ufro oTxi Tve

dasWirdeba. xuTi cali nimuSi

mTxoves, rom aSS-Si gamegzavna da

Zalian didi dro damWirda mis dasamzadeblad

arasawarmoo pirobebSi.

_ Tqven mier gamogonil sunT-

qvis aparatebs ra bedi ewia?

„qronika+~-Si gamoqveynebis Sem-

deg 330 000-ma adamianma waikiTxa

masala. TiTqos Zalian didi dain-

tereseba iyo.

_ mandac ganxilvebis doneze

varT, imitom rom erTi problemis

winaSe vdgavarT: aparati Zalian

moswonT, magram ver gadauwyvetiaT,

sertificirebis problema

rogor mogvardeba.

Temur maisuraZis mier gamogonili

unikaluri respiratorebi

SeiZleba wingadadgmuli nabiji

gaxdes ara marto qarTuli warmoebisTvis,

aramed msoflio usafrToebisTvis.

warmoidgineT, kacobrioba

qarTuli respiratorebiT

rom momaragdes. kidev erTxel

gTavazobT CamonaTvals imisa,

Tu riT SeiZleba gaxdes Cveni

nouhau msoflio monapovari.

axali pirbade sami ZiriTadi

komponentisgan Sedgeba:

1. samedicino silikonis karkasi

Sig ganTavsebuli mcire zomis

magnitebiT (silikonis simkvrive

adamianis kanis identuria, rac

qmnis komforts da verc ki

grZnobT kansa da yurebis ukan mis

arsebobas);

2. minimum orSriani cxvir-pirbade

(daniSnulebidan gamomdinareobs

da SesaZlebelia iyos sam-

Srianic), romlis Sida fena aris

samedicino daniSnulebis, xolo

gare ufro msxvili nawilakebis

dasaWerad, esTetikuri da dizainis

daniSnulebisa). is SeiZleba

iyos aRWurvili ukusarqvliT

(mtvriani samuSaoebis Sesasruleblad

samrewvelo daniSnulebisTvis),

xolo samedicino daniSnulebiT

aucileblad sarqvlis

gareSe (sarqvlis arseboba komforts

uqmnis momxmarebels Tavisufali

amosunTqvis uzrunvelsayofad,

magram safrTxis Semcvelia

garSemo myof pirTaTvis);

3. Tvalebis damcavi gamWvirvale

barieri, romelic erTi xelis

mosmiT ukeTdeba da exsneba

ganTavsebuli magnitebiT, mxolod

Tvalebis dacvis saWiroebisas

(igulisxmeba rogorc axlo kontaqtis

dros haerwveTovani gziT

gadamdebi daavadebebisgan Tvalebis

dasacavad, aseve specialuri

samuSaoebis Sesrulebis dros

Tvalebis dasacavad mcire nawilakebis

moxvedrisgan).

mniSvnelovania is garemoebac,

rom nebismieri daniSnulebis cxvir-pirbade

ergeba nebismieri

dizainiT Sesrulebul silikonis

karkassa da Tvalebis damcav bariers,

radgan SigniT ganTavsebuli

magnitebi zustad emTxveva erTmaneTs.

aRniSnuli magnitebi aseve

asrulebs meore funqciasac. maTi

meSveobiT cxvir-pirbade Signidan

aris akruli formirebul silikonis

karkasze da momxmarebels

pirsaxeze ar exaxuneba saubris

dros, aseve orTqlisgan datenianebuli

qsovili ar exeba bageebs

da ar uqmnis diskomforts momxmarebels.

rac Seexeba temperaturas gamoxarSvisas,

silikoni uZlebs 400

C 0 -s da qsovilebic SerCeulia iseTi,

rom duRilis dros ar iyos

temperaturuli gavlena, Tumca,

mogexsenebaT, Cveulebriv nelTbil

wyalSi, nebismieri sapniT garecxvac

sakmarisia dezinfeqciisTvis.

rac Seexeba recxvis ciklurobas,

SesaZlebelia 150-200 garecxva

cxvir-pirbadis SemTxvevaSi,

xolo silikonis karkasisa da sa-

TvalisTvis ganusazRvrelia. resursuli

garantia 5 welia.

amerikeli elitaruli eqimis,

merkolas statiis „Journals Refuse to

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Seqmnili pirbadeebiT momaragdeba?

`kargi iqneba, pirvel rigSi, saqarTvelos

mTavroba Tu dainteresdeba am nouhauTi _

arsebobs bevri saintereso da sasargeblo

saqme, vidre xalxis darbeva, tenderebis

"atkatebi" da ministerialis voiaJebia~

Publish Negative Mask Study” mixedviT,

imdenad mouxerxebelia da satareblad

arasasiamovno arsebuli

pirbadeebi, rom mudmivad giwevs

misi gasworeba saxeze, saubris

dros ki xeliT unda gekavoT,

radgan nikapis moZraoba mas qvemoT

qaCavs. Sesabamisad, adamiani

ukve xeliT abinZurebs sakuTar

pirbades an pirbadis mier daWerili

virusi ukve xeliT gadmoaqvs

pirsaxis sxva monakveTebze. dacvis

efeqtianoba aq ukve minimaluria

an nulovani. swored es iyo erTerTi

mTavari amocana axali koncefciis

niRbebis saWiroebisTvis.

rogorc mogaxseneT, axali pirbade

ar exeba bageebs da saubris

dros kanis simkvrivesTan da elastiurobasTan

misadagebuli silikonis

karkasi saxis nakvTebTan

erTad moZraobs, amitom xeliT

misi gasworeba an daWera ar aris

saWiro da Tu mainc aseTi saWiroeba

gaCnda, xeliT exebiT silikons

mosaxsnelad an gasasworeblad.

SesaZlebloba gaqvT dRis

ganmavlobaSi cvaloT masSi pirbadeebi

da saRamos yvelaferi

erTad garecxoT.

rac Seexeba statiaSi moyvanili

eqsperimentis, e. w. damcav qsovilebSi

boWkoebis dazianebiT/

defeqtiT gamowveuli daucveli

monakveTebis SesaZleblobas, aq

upriania iTqvas, rom daculobis

procentuloba daiklebs dazianebuli

boWkoebis proporciulad

(100% dacvis formati isedac

ar arsebobs). yvelaze maRali

dacvis maCvenebeli iqneba, Tu

cxvir-pirbade ar vardeba saxidan,

minimaluria xeliT Sexebis saWiroeba

da teniani qsovili Sexebisgan

ar qmnis diskomforts, adamiani

icavs higienis moTxovnebs da

cxvir-pirbadis tarebis kulturas.

aRarafers vambob imaze, rom

Tu cxvir-pirbade gvikeTia, magram

Tvalebi daucveli gvaqvs, axlo

kontaqtis dros (transporti,

saubari axlo manZilidan, mWidro

quCebSi intensiuri da xalxmravali

moZraobisas), riski, minimum,

50%-iT isev matulobs, radgan sasunTqi

gzebi daculia, xolo Tvalebi

_ ara.

kargi iqneba, pirvel rigSi,

saqarTvelos mTavroba Tu dainteresdeba

am nouhauTi _ arsebobs

bevri saintereso da sasargeblo

saqme, vidre xalxis darbeva,

tenderebis „atkatebi” da ministerialis

voiaJebia.

2024 weli _ mravalpartiuli gza Cixisken

„Sua unda gaikrifos!” _ ganacxada Cvenma mze-

Tengiz abloTia

Tamzem 2011 wels, politikaSi gamoCenis pirvel-

save dRes. es gamonaTqvami dRes saqarTveloSi

ginebis tolfasia da diqtaturisken mowodebad miiCneva, Tumca 31 oqtombris

arCevnebma gviCvena, rom „qarTuli ocnebis” damarcxebis gza erTader-

Tia, raoden samwuxaroc ar unda iyos _ diax, Sua unda gaikrifos.

sadReisod arCevnebis irgvliv procesebi

jerac araa dasrulebuli _ xmebis

daTvla grZeldeba, opozicia ar nebdeba,

xelisufleba arafris daTmobas ar gegmavs,

saerTaSorisi sazogadoebam xelebi

daibana.

Tumca warmovidginoT, rom yvelaferi

dasrulda, xolo opoziciis gareSe dar-

Cenilma parlamentma muSaoba daiwyo _ rac

yvelaze metadaa mosalodneli.

am SemTxvevaSi aqtualurobas iZens 2024

wlis saparlamento arCevnebi.

yvela TvalsazrisiT es iqneba gansakuTrebuli

arCevnebi, Tundac imitom, rom

pirvelad saqarTvelos istoriaSi wurbela-maJoritarebis

sistema gauqmdeba. savaraudod,

„ocnebas” es Zalianac ar uxaria

da didi siamovnebiT Tundac dRevandel

sistemas daabrunebda, romlis farglebSic

30 maJoritari mas ara damangrevel, magram

calsaxa upiratesobas aniWebs.

Tumca amis SesaZlebloba maT ar gaaCniaT,

radganac saWiro konstituciur umravlesobas

ar floben.

ra Sansebi aqvs opozicias 2024 wels da

ras gviCvenebs amasTan dakavSirebiT gasuli

arCevnebi?

erTi SexedviT, yvela faqtori opoziciis

mxarezea _ 2024 wels „qarTuli ocneba”

kidev ufro dasustebuli iqneba, radganac

4 weliwadSi misi mmarTveloba saboloo

CixSi Seva.

31 oqtombris arCevnebSi opoziciam

mTlianobaSi gaimarjva da 52% miiRo _

„qarTulma ocnebam” mTeli Tavisi administraciuli

resursiT, antimiSistebiT,

qurdebiT, biZinas miliardebiTa da masStaburi

gayalbebiT mxolod 48% daiwera.

davujeroT telekompania „formulas”

egzitpolebs da xmebis paralelur daTvlas,

romlebmac „qocebs” 46% misces, miT

N28 (330) 10.11-16.11.2020 w.

umetes, daujerebeli amaSi araferia.

maJoritaruli usafrTxoebis baliSis

gareSe darCenili „ocnebisTvis” 46% an,

Tundac, 48% _ ganaCenia. Tumca _ es erTi

SexedviT; meore SexedviT, naTelia, rom

saxelisuflebo partias erTi seriozuli

xriki aqvs, romelic mas me-4 vadiT gamarjvebis

Sanssac aZlevs.

Tumca „xriki” cudi sityvaa, is xom raRac

arakanoniersa da TaRliTurs gulisxmobs.

aq ki „qocebs” sruliad legitimurad,

kanonis dacviT da yovelgvari TaRliTobis

gareSe, 45%-ani reitingis farglebSi

isev ubralo umravlesobis mopovebis

Sansi aqvT.

daukvirdiT 31 oqtombris proporciuli

arCevnebis monacemebs da am SesaZleblobas

advilad dainaxavT.

2024 wels saqarTveloSi saparlamento

arCevnebi proporciuli sistemiT da 5%-

ani barieriT Catardeba.

sxvaTa Soris, barieris arseboba Tavad

opoziciis moTxovnaa, radganac is SiSobs,

rom winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi biZina „bevr

mcire partias Seqmnis da umravlesobas

isev miiRebs”. maT ufro didi safrTxe ver

dainaxes, romelic dRes 31 oqtombris

arCevnebis SedegebSi naTlad Cans _ biZinas

sul ar sWirdeba „bevri patara partiis

Seqmna”, romelTa didi nawili parlamentSi

mosaxvedrad aucilebel 0,7%-sac ver miiRebs.

5%-ani barieri „ocnebisTvis” yvelaze

xelsayrelia _ misi meSveobiT is mSvidad

imarjvebs arCevnebSi, maSinac ki, rodesac

misi realuri reitingi 45%-s ar aRemateba.

gasul arCevnebSi 5%-ani barieris arsebobis

SemTxvevaSi parlamentSi moxvdeboda

mxolod 2 tradiciuli partia _ „qar-

Tuli ocneba” (45-46%) da „nacionaluri

moZraoba” _ 27%, maqsimum 30%.

yvela danarCeni partia: „lelo”, „evropuli

saqarTvelo”, „girCi”, leiboristuli

partia, danarCeni aTobiT partia, romelmac

07%-ze naklebi miiRo _ rCeba gareT.

elementaruli daTvla gviCvenebs, rom

am situaciaSi 5%-ani barieris SemTxvevaSi

opoziciuri xmebis TiTqmis naxevari ikargeba.

Tanac, es yvelaferi sruliad kanonierad,

yvela wesebis dacviT ise, rom momavali

parlamentis legitimurobas 1 gramic

ar akldeba.

saqarTvelo isev, ukve meramdened, Tavisi

arasworad gagebuli „mravalpartiulobis”

msxverpli, amjerad, 2024 wels gaxdeba,

maSin, rodesac „qocebis” saxlSi gaSvebis

Sansi ise axlo iqneba, rogorc arasdros.

realoba aseTia da xmebis Tanafardoba,

romelic dRes gvaqvs, savaraudod, ar Seicvleba.

qveyanam, politikurma speqtrma, opoziciurma

amomrCevelma unda gaakeTon martivi,

Tumca, amave dros, rTuli daskvna _

Sua unda gaikrifos. Tu gvsurs „ocneba”

saxlSi 2024 wels mainc gavuSvaT, mas unda

daupirispirdes misive wonis opoziciuri

partia.

10 wvrili opoziciuri partia 1 msxvil

samTavrobo monstrs ver daamarcxebs,

rasac Cven realurad 31 oqtombris proporciuli

arCevnebis SedegebSi vxedavT.

2024 wels martivi arCevani dadgeba _

an „qarTuli ocneba”, an „nacionaluri

moZraoba”. araviTari „mesame Zala”, aravi-

Tari SuaSistebi, araviTari „arc qocebi,

arc nacebi”.

2024 wels xmis micema romelime sxva

opoziciuri partiisTvis, „nacmoZraobis”

garda, „ocnebisTvis” pirdapir xmis Cuqebis

tolfasi iqneba.

Sua marTlad unda gaikrifos da es

gardauvali procesia, romelic mTelma

civilizebulma msofliom gaiara, sadac,

ZiriTadad, 2-partiuli sistemebia.

evropa, amerika, iaponia _ Sua _ yvelgan

gakrefilia da mravalpartiuloba

„mravalze” aqcentis _ postsabWoTa periodis

anaqronizmia.

saqarTveloSi, bolos da bolos, am realobis

aRqma unda gaCnds da gaqres warmodgena,

rom „rac ufro meti partia iqneba

_ miT ukeTesi”.

ar iqneba ukeTesi. 31 oqtombers yvelas

hqonda patara partiebisTvis xmis micemis

fufuneba _ barieris ararsebobis pirobeb-

Si. Tumca 2024 wels es SesaZlebloba daixureba

da Cven mogviwevs orpolusiani arCevanis

gakeTeba. an erTi an _ meore _ 2024

wlis gadamwyveti arCevnebis lozungi

swored es iqneba.

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ès aris xalxis brZola, romelic

kviras, dRis 3 saaTze, moparu-

giorgi sakaruli

li xmebis dasacavad saqarTvelos

555 42 42 81

palamentis win moqalaqeebi,

politikosebi, momRerlebi, msaxiobebi

da sazogadoebisTvis cnobili saxeebi Seikribnen. yve-

la maTgani erTi miznisTvis gaerTianda _ daicvas sakuTari

xma, Rirseba da saqarTvelos momavali.

masobriv saprotesto aqciamde

erTi kviriT adre ki politikosebisgan

mowodebebi ismoda, Tu

ratom unda misuliyvnen aqciaze

moqalaqeebi.

rusTavelis gamzirze damontaJebuli

iyo e. w. kedeli _ „Tamar

Jvanias gayalbebis erovnuli

muzeumi”, sadac gamofenili iyo

im adamianebis fotosuraTebi

warwerebiT, romelTac uSualod

miuZRviT wvlili 2020 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebis gayalbebasa

da xalxis xmebis moparvaze.

Tbilisis paralelurad gayalbebuli

arCevnebi saqarTvelos

mosaxleobam baTumSic gaaprotesta.

baTumis dramatul Teatr-

Tan Sekrebili xalxis moTxovnac

identuri iyo: gadadges Tamar

Jvania da Catardes xelaxali

arCevnebi.

opoziciurma partiebma xelisuflebas

sami moTxovniT mimarTa.

moTxovnebi parlamentTan

mimdinare aqciaze elene xoStariam

gaaJRera:

1. Catardes xelaxali saparlamento

arCevnebi;

2. gadadges Tamar Jvania da

komisiebi samarTliani wesiT dakompleqtdes;

3. ganTavisufldnen politpatimrebi.

moTxovnebis Semdeg xoStariam

oligarq ivaniSvils wammzomi CaurTo

da dro 20:00 saaTamde misca,

Tumca umravlesobis vice-spikerma,

giorgi kaxianma opoziciuri

partiebis moTxovnas absurduli

uwoda da aRniSna, rom „qar-

Tuli ocneba” ar apirebs ultimatumis

Sesrulebas.

„imedi maqvs, isini Zalian male

Tavadve gaaTviTcnobiereben TavianTi

moTxovnebis absurdulobas

da mixvdebian, rom politikur

CixSi aRmoCndebian. imedi maqvs,

daubrundebian saarCevno reJims

da mogvianebiT saparlamento cxovrebas”,

_ ganacxada giorgi kaxianma.

aqciis msvlelobas momRerali

sofo baTilaSvili SeuerTda da

Tavisi saTqmeli simReriT gadmosca.

musikaluri programa ki

mogvianebiT leqsenma gaagrZela.

„meamayeba, rom Tqveni Tanamemamule

var. Cvens samSoblos ase-

Ti biWebi da gogoebi sWirdeba,

Tqven rom xarT”, _ ase mimarTa

„nacionaluri moZraobis” siis

pirvelma nomerma, momReralma

buba kikabiZem parlamentis win

Sekrebil aqciis monawileebs da

Tavisi repertuaridan ramdenime

simRera Seasrula.

aRsaniSnavia, rom aqciebi Tbilisisa

da baTumis paralelurad,

evropis sxvadasxva qveyanaSic imarTeboda.

qarTveli emigrantebi

moparul arCevnebs aprotesteben.

aqciaze, erTi dRiT adre, misvlisken

mouwodebda Tavis Tayvanismcemlebs

momRerali nino

qaTamaZec.

misi TqmiT, es aris faseulobebis

brZolis dRe.

„Cvenve unda gadavwyvitoT,

rogori cxovreba gvinda. Svilebis

bednierebiT ganaTebuli qveyana,

feradi saxlebi, yvavilebiT

savse quCebi, musikiT da leqsebiT

savse saRamoebi, Tu nacrisferi

kedlebi, ubeduri mSoblebi, gaZarculi

saxlebi, bneli Rameebi,

mkvdari yvavilebi... Cveni faseulobebisTvis

brZolis dRea. Tu

ver SeZlebT mosvlas, fanjrebi

gaaReT, darabebi gaxseniT, aivnebidan

yvavilebi SemogvagebeT.

marTlac istoriuli dRea, ara

vinmes winaaRmdeg, aramed Cveni

cxovrebisTvis. bednierebis magaliTebisTvis.

gTxovT! gTxovT!

gemudarebiT! dae, xval iyos yvelaze

namdvili Rirebulebebis

dRe! miyvars Cemi keTili gulebis

samSoblo. aq aRar aris moRalateebis

adgili, radgan Cveni

Svilebi siyvarulis erTgulebiT

gavzardeT da maT veRar vuRalatebT”,

_ ganacxada momReralma.

aqciaze imyofeboda saqarTvelos

meoTxe prezidenti giorgi

margvelaSvili, romelmac mosaxleobas

sityviT mimarTa:

„Cven dRes vdgavarT aq gabrazebulebi,

Cven vdgavarT aq Seuracxyofilebi

da cota gaocebulebic,

radganac verc erTi

gakveTili ver iswavla am xalxma

istoriis; ver iswavla imis gakve-

Tili, rom qarTvel xalxs ver

daamonebs. es TvalnaTliv Canda

mTeli Cveni qveynis istoriis man-

Zilze. rogor SeiZleba am xalxis

xelisufleba gerqvas da saer-

Tod ver grZnobde am sazogadoebas?!

rogor SeiZleba, sakuTar

Tavs am xalxis mTavrobas uwodebde

da saerTod ar icode misi istoria?!

Cven aq vdgavarT amdeni

wlis ganmavlobaSi da arc erTxel

ar waugia qarTvel sazogadoebas.

rogor SeiZleba, es ar

icode?! kidev kargi, aq vdgavarT

ara mxolod is xalxi, vinc 30

wlis winaTac aq viyaviT, aramed

me vxedav im axalgazrdobas, romelsac

gadavabarebT Cvens momaval

xelisuflebas. me minda mivmarTo

ara marto am mitings, aramed

im xalxs, vinc televiziiT

gvismens, minda mivmarTo im xalxs,

vinc „qarTuli ocneba” Semoxaza:

kidev kargi, rom Cven dRes aq

vdgavarT, Cveni protesti rom ar

yofiliyo, ra saqarTveloSi

gaiRviZebda saqarTvelo?! yvela

moqalaqe im saqarTveloSi gaiRviZebda,

sadac ai, is mokriminalo,

isteriuli damnaSaveebi miadgebodnen

da rasac undodaT, mosTxovdnen.

im saqarTveloSi gaiRvi-

Zebdnen, sadac usamarTloba iqneba

dawesebuli forma. es yvelas

Seexeboda, ar aqvs mniSvneloba, ra

Semoxaza. gvinda aseT saqarTveloSi

cxovreba?! gvinda, wavideT

nika melia, „nacionaluri

moZraobis” erT-erTi lideri:

_ dRes Cven aq namdvili istoriis

swor mxares mdgari, Tavisufali

saqarTvelo SevikribeT,

Cveni didi xalxisa da qveynis amayi

da udreki Svilebi SevikribeT,

magram Zalian, Zalian ganrisxebuli

Svilebi SevikribeT imitom,

rom Cveni winamorbedi Taobebis

mTel monapovars wyalSi gadayras

upirebs oligarqi. igi Tavisuflebas

gvinadgurebs, qveyanas gvparavs,

momavals Zarcvavs...

dRes aq realuri saqarTveloa.

es aris namdvili saxalxo kreba

mravaleTnikuri qarTveli xadaviT

baqraZe: ès aris

brZola TqvenTvis da

Tqveni SvilebisTvis~

ukan?! me minda mivmarTo im adamianebs,

romlebic televizorSi

uyureben aqcias da Tavisi ideebi

aqvs, Tu ra unda gaakeTos da ra

nabijebi gadadgas opoziciam.

opoziciam dRes aCvena uprecedento

erToba, principuloba,

opoziciam aCvena is, rasac wlebis

ganmavlobaSi viTxovdiT misgan,

man daicva moqalaqis xma.

opoziciam aCvena, rom ar gaiyideba

arc erT gadmogdebul lukmaze

da meti ra unda aCvenos opoziciam?!

Tu guSin opozicia Semoxaze,

dRes aiRe da ende maT liderebs.

an maT gverdSi dadeqi an

gaCumdi”, _ ganacxada margvelaSvilma.

„qronika+~ mTeli dRis ganmavlobaSi

movlenebis epicentrSi

iyo da gTavazobT opozicioneri

liderebis komentarebs:

aleko elisaSvili, partia

„moqalaqeebis” lideri:

_ davakvirdeT Cvens istorias,

rodis da sad vmarcxdebodiT da

ratom aris, rom nikofsiidan

darubandamde aRar varT da ager,

Suagul qarTlSia Robe Semovlebuli.

ratom? _ imitom, rom xSirad

erTmaneTis qiSpi gverCivna

qarTvelebs. es dReebi gaismis:

imasTan nu dadgebi, amasTan nu

dadgebi, amas nu izam, amas xeli

ar CamoarTva, imas ar miesalmo.

didi safrTxis winaSea saqarTvelo

da am safrTxeSi momavals

gvarTmeven. am safrTxeSi unda

gadavdoT aq mdgomni, vis vin

gvexateba gulze da vis vin ar

gvexateba, vin ramdeni procenti

aiRo da vin _ ramdeniT naklebi.

saqarTvelo aris safrTxeSi da

erTxel da samudamod erT muStad

unda SevikraT, vaCvenoT

mters da vaCvenoT moyvares, rom

Cven Tavisuflebas ar davTmobT!

Cveni brZola aris samarTliani,

Cven viTxovT patiosan arCevnebs.

didi brZola, didi janjRari gvelis,

didi daZabuloba, magram

mgoni, mzad varT.

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gamarjvebiT damTavrdeba~

lxisa, romelic acxadebs ivaniSvilis

reJims aralegitimur xelisuflebad.

mis farsad qceul

arCevnebs veubnebiT uars! mis mier

daweril Sedegebs veubnebiT

uars!

gigi ugulava, „evropuli

saqarTvelos” erT-erTi lideri:

_ roca arCevans mogparaven,

Cveni valdebulebaa yvelam er-

Tad, yvela politikosma, davanaxoT

sazogadoebas, rani varT Cven

partiebis miRma, imitom, rom es

brZola aRaraa partiuli brZola,

imitom, rom partiuli brZola

da arCevnebi wagvarTves. amitom

es aris xalxis brZola, romelic

aucileblad gamarjvebiT

damTavrdeba. megobrebo, unda

gvesmodes, ramxela naZiralebTan

gvaqvs saqme, am adamianebma, imitom,

rom sakuTari propagandistuli

arxebis eTerze daeweraT „gareji

saqarTveloa”, amisTvis ori

adamiani Casves cixeSi. marto amitom!

gareji saqarTveloa, magram

Tqven ar xarT saqarTvelo.

Tqven xarT ucxo, ubedureba, Savi

Wiri, romelsac qarTveli xalxi

Camoirecxavs.

mamuka xazaraZe, „lelo

saqarTvelosTvis” lideri:

_ dRes „lelo”, sxva opoziciur

partiebTan erTad, Seikriba

imisTvis, rom am qveyanaSi erTxel

da samudamod damTavrdes

tyuili, veravin gabedos Tavisufali

moqalaqisTvis xmis warTmeva.

dRes Cven sxvadasxva partias

warmovadgenT, magram yvelaze

didi partia aris saqarTvelo.

Cven unda avmaRldeT TiToeuli

partiis donidan da vifiqroT

Cvens qveyanaze! qveyanaze, romelic

gamudmebiT ibrZvis TavisuflebisTvis

da bediswerad aqvs

TavisuflebisTvis da damoukideblobisTvis

brZola.

brZola iqneba ukompromiso imitom,

rom brZola exeba Cvens

qveyanas, Cvens samSoblos, Cvens

xvalindel dRes da am brZolas

Cven aucileblad movigebT. dRes

ilias dabadebis dRea. diax, amdeni

xnis mere kidev aqtualuria

mTavari sakiTxi, _ vis ekuTvnis es

qveyana? gvekuTvnis Cven es qveyana?

aq dgomiT vambobT, rom es

qveyana gvekuTvnis Cven da aravis

davuTmobT! arc Tavisuflebas

davuTmobT aravis.

qveynis damoneba iwyeba adamianis

SeSinebiT, qveynis damoneba

iwyeba yvelaze mTavari, RmerTisgan

boZebuli sityvis warTmeviT,

xmis warTmeviT. me geubnebiT, rom

yvela xma iqneba daculi. Cven gvWirdeba

erTianoba! qarTvelebo,

gvWirdeba samarTliani saxelmwifo,

gvWirdeba samarTliani sasamarTlo

da kanonis uzenaesoba,

Tu gvinda, rom amovideT am mentaluri

da ekonomikuri Waobidan.

miTxres, rom am arCevnebze

pirvelad movida, daaxloebiT, 80

aTasi axalgazrda da xma misca. 80

aTasi Cveni Svili pirvelad monawileobda

arCevnebSi. gekiTxebiT,

ra unda vuTxraT am Svilebs?

gavataroT? ra unda vuTxraT

amaT, viTom araferi moxda? ase

ar gamova! Cven TiToeuli am Svilis

xma unda davicvaT. am parlamentSi

aravin Seva imitom, rom

moRalateebTan, xmis qurdebTan

saqme arasdros unda daiWiro, Tu

gvinda, rom momavali Taoba am

gaWirvebidan gamovides, Tu gvinda,

rom qveyana ganviTardes, Tu

gvinda, rom erTxel da samudamod

Tavisufali viyoT, evropuli

qveyana, unda vibrZoloT bolomde.

Tavisufleba ar aris

erTjeradi aqti, Tavisufleba

yoveldRiuri brZolaa. Cven am

qveyanas ar davuTmobT arc bi-

giorgi margvelaSvili:

òpoziciam aCvena

principuloba da

daicva moqalaqis xma~

mamuka xazaraZe: `Tu gvinda,

rom viyoT evropuli qveyana,

vibrZoloT bolomde~

Zinas, arc „ocnebas”, arc ruseTs!

gaumarjos naRd, gulanTebul

saqarTvelos!

daviT berZeniSvili, respub-

likuri partiis erT-erTi

lideri:

_ dRevandel opozicias qarTvelma

xalxma mogvca xelisuflebaSi

yofnis, qveynis marTvis mandati.

mandati misca qarTvelma

xalxma „qarTuli ocnebis” mxardamWerebsac,

_ opoziciaSi yofnis

mandati da unda icodes politikurma

partiam, misma amomrCevelma,

rom Tu ar SegiZlia iyo

opoziciaSi, maSin ar xar politikuri

organizacia, maSin aorTqldebi,

rogorc aorTqlda „moqalaqeTa

kavSiri”, „aRorZineba”

da sxv.

amerikis axalma prezidentma

Tqva, rom ar vyofT amerikas wiTlebad

da lurjebad, arc Cven

vyofT saqarTvelos wiTlebad da

lurjebad, yviTlebad, narinjisferebad,

mravalferovneba er-

TianobaSi, erTianoba mravalferovnebaSi,

_ es varT Cven, Cveni

qveyana.

amoiwura ivaniSvilis dro da

rodesac qarTveli xalxi xelisufals

eubneba „naxvamdis”, an iswavle

opoziciaSi yofna, an _ gagvecale!

qarTveli xalxis arCevani

dadasturebulia Cveni strategiuli

partniorebis mier, evropisa

da amerikis mier da is iqceva

arCevnad. mivmarTav Cvens strategiul

partniorebs: mogvexmareT

qarTveli xalxis arCevanis

dasacavas!

Cems adgilze da Cemi Taobis

warmomadgenlebis adgilze vinc

am tribunasTan dgas, SeiZleba

relevanturi iyos kiTxva, _ ar

grcxvenia, isev aq, aTeuli wlebis

ganmavlobaSi, 30 welze meti

gavida, isev quCaSi isev damoukideblobisTvis

brZolaSi?! sustebi

aRmovCndiT, magram mogitaneT

feri rukaze axalgazrdebs

da gexmarebiT, rom Tavisuflebac

miiRoT. damoukidebloba Cven

mogitaneT, Tavisufleba Tqven

unda SeqmnaT! Cven viciT, rom

brZola iqneba xangrZlivi. Tavi

ar movityuoT, Cven am SekrebiT

xelisuflebas ukve vazanzarebT,

magram mas Cven jer ver vamarcxebT.

Cven brZola gveqneba mSvidobiani,

principuli!

Tina bokuCava, „nacionaluri

moZraobis” wevri:

_ ivaniSvilma vera da ver Seicno

sakuTari xalxi, vera da ver

gaigo, rom qarTveli xalxi am usamarTlobas

ar Seegueba. ar SeveguebiT

warTmeul arCevnebs, war-

Tmeul momavalsa da Tavisuflebas,

vibrZolebT bolomde. aq Sekrebili

adamianebi viTxovT xelaxal,

Tavisufal da samarTlian

arCevnebs, amis misaRwevad gadavdgamT

yvela samarTlebriv da

politikur nabijs. Cven viTxovT

nana devdarianad qceul Tamar

Jvanias gadayenebas, is gaxda gayalbebuli

arCevnebis simbolo.

Tamar Jvania unda wavides. Cven

viTxovT ceskos da yvela saarCevno

administraciis dakompleqtebas

normaluri profesionalebiT

da ara arCevnebis gamyalbeblebiT,

romlebmac elementaruli

ariTmetikac ki ar ician da 7-

jer Sesworebul oqmebsac ver

svamen.

daviT baqraZe, „evropuli

saqarTvelos” lideri:

_ dRes aq dgas rogorc arasdros

gaerTianebuli bevri partia,

dRes aq dgas rogorc arasdros

gaerTinebuli qarTveli

xalxi, romelic ar ekuTvnis arc

erT partias, romelic ekuTvnis

saqarTvelos, romelic ibrZvis

saqarTvelosTvis da romelic

aucileblad gaimarjvebs saqar-

TvelosTan erTad. dRes Cven yvela

vibrZviT saqarTvelosTvis

qarTul politikaSi, sadac, samwuxarod,

dRemde politikosebi

ibrZodnen da ibrZvian sakuTari

privilegiebisTvis, sakuTari skamebisTvis,

sakuTari SemosavlebisTvis.

me var amayi, rom am scenaze

vdgavar im adamianebTan er-

Tad, vinc uari Tqva privilegiebzec,

parlamentarobazec, am SenobaSi

Sesvlazec imitom, rom ar

SeiZleba, usamarTlod aiwyo Seni

cxovreba, ar SeiZleba dadge

tyuilis mxares, Seni qveynis dangrevis

mxares da is, rac gaakeTa

„qarTulma ocnebam”, es aris am

qveynis da am qveynis momavlis dangreva.

swored amitom Cven dRes

varT is xalxi, Cvenc da Tqvenc

erTad, romelic arafers iTxovs

TavisTvis, romelmac daTmo yvelaferi

TavisTvis da erTad dadga

saqarTvelos momavlisTvis

brZolaSi da Tu Cven gvjera, rom

saqarTvelos momavali aqvs da

aucileblad yvelas gvjera, rom

am qveyanas momavali aqvs, aucileblad

gavimarjvebT am brZolaSi.

ivaniSvilisTvis, „qarTuli

ocnebisTvis”, JvaniasTvis Tqven

xarT ubralod ricxvebi, ricxvebi,

romelic SeiZleba gadakeTdes:

1 udris 3-s, 4 udris 9-s, magram

erTi ar udris 3-s, arc 4 udris

9-s da qarTveli xalxi ar udris

oligarqs da „qarTul ocnebas”.

es unda davinaxoT yvelam dRes,

rom qarTveli xalxi ar udris

daSinebas, quCis kriminals, mosyidvas

da 50 lars, im uimedobas

da Waobs, romelSic yvelas gviTrevs

ivaniSvili da „qarTuli

ocneba”, amas vaCvenebT roca amdeni

adamiani gamovediT. amitom

rac ar unda CaaxSon internetsignali,

dronebis gaSvebis saSualeba

ar mogvcen, rom ifrinon da

saqarTvelom dainaxos, ramdeni

varT, es ar uSveliT, radgan dRes

aq TqvenTan erTad dgas simar-

Tle, Rirseba, saqarTvelosa da

Cveni Svilebis momavali da meore

mxares dgas qurdoba, Waobi, uimedoba,

amitom Rirseulad gavimarjvebT

am brZolaSi.

es ar aris partiuli brZola,

es ar aris liderebis brZola, ar

aris savarZlebisTvis brZola,

Cven yvelaferze uari vTqviT,

gverdze gadavdeT gansxvavebebic,

dapirispirebebic, es aris brZola

TiToeuli TqvenganisTvis, vinc

dRes televizorTan uyurebT am

yvelafers, es aris brZola Tqveni

da Tqveni SvilebisTvis, rom

maT ar icxovron im qveyanaSi, saidanac

TurqeTsa da poloneTSi

mouwevT plantaciaSi da maRaro-

Si gaqceva samuSaod, rom ar icxovron

im qveyanaSi, sadac 30 wlis

Semdeg isev ise aarCevineben „qarTul

ocnebas”, rogorc Tqven

agarCevines „qarTuli ocneba”. es

brZolaa dRes, amitom yvela unda

CaebaT, yvela gamoxvideT da er-

Tianad gavimarjvoT.

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merkvilaZem, orwliani patimrobis Semdeg sapyrobile datova.

mas 22 wlis violeta matinovas gaufrTxileblobiT sicocxlis

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el gunds, wina xelisuflebasTan SedarebiT, aRar aqvs, Tum-

ca dRes ukve SegviZlia pirdapir vTqvaT, rom 7 noembridan

13 wlis Semdeg „qarTulma ocnebam” sakuTar moqalaqeebs

igive dRe 2020 wlis 8 noembers mouwyo.

pandemiis pirobebSi noember-

Si xelisuflebam centraluri

saarCevno komisiis SenobasTan

aqciis monawileebis misamarTiT

wylis Wavli gauSva. policiam

aqciis daSla protestis monawileebis

gamoCenisTanave ramdenime

wuTSi daiwyo, yovelgvari

gafrTxilebisa da mowodebis

gareSe.

manam, sanam xelisufleba legitimurobis

CarCoebidan gamovidoda,

8 noembers aqciis monawileebma

rusTavelis gamziridan

msvleloba moawyves. gadawyvetileba

opoziciam 20:00 saaTze

gamoacxada, mas Semdeg, rac xelisuflebisTvis

micemuli ultimatumis

vada amoiwura.

parlamentis win Sekrebilma

opoziciurma partiebma warmoadgines

sami moTxovna, rasac „qarTul

ocnebas” uyenebdnen. mo-

Txovnebi „evropuli saqarTvelos”

liderma elene xoStariam

waikiTxa opoziciuri partiebis

erTobis saxeliT.

es sami moTxovna iyo:

1. xelaxali, Tavisufali da

samarTliani saparlamento arCevnebi;

2. gadadges ceskos Tavmjdomare

Tamar Jvania da komisiebi

dakompleqtdes samarTliani

wesiT;

3. yvela politpatimari unda

ganTavisufldes.

opozicia da aqciis monawileebi

ukan daxevas ar gegmaven.

rCeba Tu ara maTi moTxovne-

bi ucvleli? rogor apireben

isini saprotesto muxtis Se-

narCunebas da im SemTxvevaSi,

Tu sasurveli scenariT ver

ganviTarda movlenebi, mouwevs

Tu ara opozicias parlamentSi

Sesvla?

aRniSnuli Temebis Sesaxeb

„qronika+~ rubrika „axalgazrda

politikosebSi” „Tavisufali

zonis” wevr laSa xuskivaZ-

es esaubra:

_ laSa, 8 noembers rusTave-

lze gamarTuli aqciis Semdeg

procesebma centralur saarC-

evno komisiasTan gadainacvla.

konkretulad rom gviTxraT,

ra aris Tqveni mimdinare moTx-

ovnebi, ris gamoc apirebT aqc-

iebis gagrZelebas?

_ am dromde opoziciam araerTgzis

daafiqsira erTsulovani

moTxovna, rom Catardes

xelaxali arCevnebi da process

gauZRves ceskos droebiTi administracia,

romelic dakompleqtdeba

principuli adamianebisgan

da eqneba sazogadoebis

maRali ndoba. am moTxovnas

alternativa am etapze ar gaaCnia

da kompromisebi ar ganixileba.

Tamar Jvaniam ivaniSvilis

davalebiT xalxs xmebi mopara,

arada, pandemiis SiSis miuxedavad

eleqtoratma moiTxova cvlileba,

movida saarCevno uban-


ze da xma misca ivaniSvilis wasvlas

xelisuflebidan. diax,

dRes qveyanas ar hyavs mTavroba

da ar hyavs ministrebi, dRes

saqarTvelos saTaveSi hyavs mxolod

erTi oligarqi, romelsac

arc xalxis janmrTeloba da

arc sazogadoebis keTildReoba

ar aRelvebs. misi mTavari

mizania, yvela xerxiT didi xniT

SeinarCunos Zalaufleba da

mzad aris, gzad Semxvedr nebismier

dabrkolebas usastikesad

gauswordes. moiqces ise, rogorc

es 20 ivniss gaakeTa, _ absoluturad

mSvidobian protestze

Sekrebil axalgazrdebs,

yovelgvari mizezis gareSe, dau-

Sina wylis Wavli, crelmsadeni

gazi da rezinis tyviebi. da amis

Semdeg vinme dagvarwmunebs, rom

ivaniSvils xalxis janmrTeloba

an pandemia awuxebs?! misi mizani

mxolod erTia _ CaaxSos

protesti da darCes xelisuflebaSi

nebismier fasad.

_ „qarTuli ocnebis” aRmas-

rulebeli mdivani irakli kobaxiZe

ironiulad akeTebda aq-

cents aqciis monawileebis rao-

denobaze. raze miuTiTebs es

faqti da rogor apirebT sap-

rotesto muxtis SenarCunebas?

_ dasanania da dasaZraxi

irakli kobaxiZis, parlamentis

yofili Tavmjdomaris, axlandeli

wevrisa da mmarTveli partiis

erT-erTi lideris mxridan

aqciaze myofi adamianebis Tavebis

Tvla. am statusis politikoss

unda aRelvebdes erTi moqalaqis

azric ki da cdilobdes

mis mosmenas. is ar aris Tanamedrove

samyaros Sesaferisi politikosi,

is aris cinikosi da destruqciuli

adamiani, romelic

ufro biZina ivaniSvilis siamovnebaze

Relavs, vidre qveynis

ganviTarebasa da Cveni moqalaqeebis

bedze. Zalian samwuxaroa,

rodesac mis mTavar Rirebulebas

oligarqi warmoadgens

da mis mTavar komunikaciis formas

_ dacinva. is daSorda realobas,

uari Tqva Rirebulebebsa

da principebze. Tumca kobaxiZes

minda vuTxra, rom dRes

rusTavelze idga gacilebiT

meti adamiani, vidre is yvelaze

uaress scenarSic ki ver warmoidgenda.

amitom, batono irakli,

demonstraciaze Tavebis

Tvlis nacvlad SeecadeT, daarwmunoT

oligarqi daniSnos ganmeorebiTi

arCevnebi da Seinar-

CunoT Sansi, darCeT politika-

Si, oRond opoziciaSi. Tqven

qveyanas aRaravin gandobT! protesti

ar Sewydeba da gagr-

Zeldeba manam, sanam Cveni moTxovnebi

ar Sesruldeba. am poziciazea

dRes yvela, vinc aqciaze

dgas.

_ pandemiis pirobebSi, maSin,

roca yoveldRiurad inficirebulTa

rekorduli maCvenebe-

li fiqsirdeba, masStaburi

aqciebi virusis gavrcelebas

laSa xuskivaZe:

ìvaniSvils

vaiZulebT,

xelisuflebis

gadabarebis

procesi daiwyos!~

xels Seuwyobs. grZnobT Tu ara

am nawilSi pasuxismgeblobas?

xelisufleba mudmivad apelirebs

am Temaze, rom opozi-

cia virusis gavrcelebas xels

uwyobs. ras upasuxebdiT maT?

_ merwmuneT, rom xalxs ivani-

Svilis ufro eSinia, vidre _ korona

virusis. rac Seexeba mTavrobis

uniaTobiT pandemiis umarTaobiT

gamowvuli SemTxvevebis

matebas da aRniSnulis opoziciisTvis

gadabralebas, es

ivaniSvilis xelweraa da 8 welia,

Cven yoveldRiurad gvesmis,

rom yoveli warumateblobis

mizezi „nacionaluri moZraobaa.

faqtia, rom ivaniSvilis xelisuflebam

ver marTa pandemia, pirveli

talRisas umkacresi zomebis

miRebisa da ekonomikis dasamarebis

miuxedavad, mTavroba

meore talRisTvis ver moemzada.

ver gazarda sawolfondi,

ver moimaraga gripis sezonuri

vaqcina, ver gadaamzada samedicino

personali da ver daagrova

virusis marTvis saerTa-

Soriso gamocdileba.

_ opoziciuri speqtri acxa-

debs, rom ivaniSvilma arCevn

vn-

ebze specoperacia Caatara da

xalxis xmebi moipara. ratom

ver SeZeliT xalxis xmebis dac-

va arCevnebis dRes?

_ qarTvelma xalxma kalmiT

da biuleteniT saarCevno urnebTan

biZina ivaniSvili erTxel

ukve gaistumra qveynis mTavrobidan.

Tumca mTavari gamyalbeblis,

xmebis qurdis, sisxlis

samarTlis damnaSave Tamar Jvanias

meSveobiT biZina ivaniSvilma

kidev erTxel moatyua qarTveli

eri, moipara maTi arCevani

da aiZula is, quCaSi gamosuliyo.

Cven qarTveli xalxis xmebs

principulad davicavT. ar davuSvebT

oligarqis Tavnebobas

da xelisuflebis uzurpacias.

_ xelisuflebis warmomad-

genlebi mudmivad acxadeben,

rom „nacionalur moZraobas”

revolucia surs, rom Tqveni

mizani revoluciuri scenaris

ganxorcielebaa. ras upasuxeb-

diT maT am gancxadebas?

_ erTxel da samudamod unda

gavigoT, rom revolucias ar

awyobs politpartiebi, revolucias

awyobs xalxi. gasagebia,

rom maT eSiniaT „nacionaluri

moZraobis” da es safuZvliani

SiSia, Tumca am SemTxvevaSi maT

unda eSinodeT gabrazebuli xalxis

nebis, romelsac mohpares

arCevani da waarTves xma. Cveni

partia aris xalxis gverdiT,

iqneba es misi amomrCeveli Tu

sxva partiis, CvenTvis umTavre-

`xalxs ivaniSvilis

ufro eSinia, vidre

_ korona virusis!~

si Rirebuleba xalxis nebaa.

_ ra roli aqvs saqarTvelos

mesame prezident mixeil saakaS-

vils mimdinare politikur

procesebSi da misi Camosvla

saqarTveloSi iqneba Tu ara

momgebiani politikuri Tval-

sazrisiT?

_ Cveni partiis yvela wevris

msgavsad, mixeil saakaSvilic

moqmedebs xalxis nebis mixedviT.

amis dasturia mis mier

gakeTebuli yvela gancxadeba.

saqarTvelos mesame prezidentma

erTxel ukve aRniSna, rom

rodesac mas xalxi moixmobs, is

mzad aris, maSinve dabrundes

samSobloSi da CaerTos saqarTvelos

ivaniSvilisgan ganTavisuflebis

istoriul procesSi.

diax, es aris istoriuli movlena,

radganac aq da axla wydeba

qveynis momavali, saiT wava Cveni

qveyana, vis gaixdis mis erTgul

sagareo partniorad, iqneba

es ivaniSvilis gamomgzavni

ruseTi Tu qarTveli xalxis

arCevani _ dasavleTi. saqarTvelos

yvela moqalaqe xmamaRla

unda aprotestebdes okupacias

da mTavrobis wevrebs ar unda

eSinodeT maRali saerTaSoriso

tribunebidan ruseTis okupaciuri

politikis kritika, ise

rogorc es dRes xdeba. yvela am

procesSi mixeil saakaSvilis,

saqarTvelos mesame prezidentis

roli ganusazRvrelia da

misi resursebi aucileblad

unda gamoviyenoT Cveni qveynis

sasikeTod.

_ Tu opoziciisTvis sasur-

veli scenariT ver ganviTarda

movlenebi da xelisuflebam ar

Seasrula Tqveni moTxovnebi,

apirebT Tu ara, partias mouwodoT

parlamentSi Sesv-

lisken?

_ Cven gamovricxavT movlenebis

sxvagvar ganviTarebas.

opozicia uprecedento erTobiT,

Tanmimdevruli nabijebiTa

da xalxis dakveTiT miiyvans am

brZolas bolomde. Cven yvela

mSvidobiani meqanizmis gamoyenebiT

vaiZulebT ivaniSvilsa da

mis uprincipo politikosebs

dahyvnen xalxis nebas, gausworon

simarTles Tvali da daiwyon

xelisuflebis gadabarebis

procesi. kidev erTxel vambob,

am SemTxvevaSi maT eqnebaT Sansi,

darCnen politikaSi, gadainacvlon

opoziciaSi da moemzadon

momdevno arCevnebisTvis.

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8 wlis asakidan daiwyo leqsebis

wera. jer axalgazrdaa da ukve araerTi proeqtis gamar-

jvebulia. vin aris nika futkaraZe? rodis da ratom daiwyo

man poetoba? ra gegmebi aqvs samomavlod?


nika futkaraZe: `leqsebis

„qronika+~-ma gadawyvita,

axalgazrda poeti nika futkaraZe

axlodan gaacnos mkiTx-

vels:

_ gamarjoba, nika, asakiT,

SeiZleba vTqvaT, rom jer pa-

tara xarT da ukve araerT

proeqtSi gaimarjveT. ras miaRwieT

am drois ganmavloba-

Si?

_ yvelaze mniSvnelovani warmateba

CemTvis uamravi megobris

SeZenaa, gavicani araerTi

profesionali, bevri gulanTebuli

adamiani da maTi wyalobiT

mivaRwie warmatebas. miuxedavad

imisa, rom mcire asakSi

bevri konkursis gamarjvebuli

gavxdi, es miRwevebi vaqcie motivaciad

da arc erT SemTxveva-

Si ar mifiqria, rom es iyo Cemi

maqsimumi. xedvam momavlisken

damanaxa, rom araerT aspeqtSi

unda ganvviTarebuliyavi. vfiqrob,

kritikuli azrovneba adamianur

faqtorSi gadamwyvet

rols TamaSobs. Sromismoyvareoba

da uamravi megobari gaxda

Cemi warmatebebis mizezi. Seu-

Zlebelia ar vaxseno, rom dRes,

faqtobrivad, daufasebelia

mwerlobis sfero, Tumca mainc

movaxerxe da SevinarCune balansi,

dRes ki ara marto am

mwvervals veWidebi, vcdilob,

SeveWido sxva simaRleebsac.

_ romeli asakidan daiwyeT

wera da visi damsaxurebaa es?

_ rva wlis asakSi daviwye

wera. aravis damsaxureba araa

Cemi pirveli leqsi, radgan 2008

wlis tragediam damawyebina

wera. patriotizmi gaxda Cemi

mTvari motivacia. Semdeg ki

klubma „zRvaurma” da litklubma

didi zegavlena moaxdina

Cemze. gamovyof poet bela

qeburias, man gaaRrmava Cemi xedva,

gaxsna sxva fanjrebi da

damanaxa sityvis amouwuravi

samyaro. dRes ki is realobaa,

roca vcdilob vipovo sakuTari

stili da SevZlo gavlenebisgan

ganTavisuflebulma, Cemi

samyaro gadmovce individualurad.

_ ratom gadawyviteT poet-

oba?

_ roca wer da Tan SegiZlia,

weris dros iyo gulwrfeli,

niSnavs, rom kargad gamogdis

wera. vfiqrob, sityvas jadosnur

elfers sZens gulwrfeloba,

sxva SemTxvevaSi, mkiTxvelamde

ver miva Semoqmedeba da

iqceva formis, riTmisa da Sinaarsobrivi

konteqstebis tyved...

bavSvobidan weris dawyebam

maCvena Zalian didi ganviTarebis

gza, rac damexmara imis

gaanalizebaSi, rom progresi

unda iyos mTavari wyurvili

adamianisa.

_ rodis da romeli wigni

gamoeciT pirvelad?

_ pirveli wigni cxra wlis

asakSi gamoveci, iq mxolod Cemi

leqsebi da Canaxatebi iyo. roca

pirvel wignsa da meoTxes vadareb

erTmaneTs, vfiqrob, rom

gardauvalia uaryo Sromismoy-

vareobis Zala. pirvel wignSi

dedam da poetma bela qeburiam

Seitanes lomis wili. isini iyvnen

ideis avtorebic da ganmxorcieleblebic,

xedavdnen Cem-

Si raRac mniSvnelovans da Se-

Zles, sityvebis wyoba gadaeqciaT

patara broSurad. aseTi iyo

Cemi pirveli nabijebi.

_ konkurs „zRvauris” gama-

rjvebuli iyaviT. romelma

nawarmoebma mogitanaT am

konkursSi gamarjveba?

_ am konkursSi gamarjveba

araerTxel SevZeli. vfiqrob,

rom mTavari swored procesia.

nebismier konkursSi monawileoba

did gamocdilebas niSnavs,

miT umetes, iseTSi, rogoric

„zRvauria”. Zalian kargad maxsovs,

rom gamarjvebuli leqsi

eZRvneboda erekle mefes, Tumca

ara mxolod es leqsi... zogadad,

rTulia sakuTar SemoqmedebaSi

gamoarCio romelime...

_ farTo auditoriam

rogor da rodis gaicno nika

futkaraZe?

_ farTo auditoriam gamicno

meoTxe wignis gamocemis

mere, radgan Cemi leqsebi

iTargmna da prezentacia mqonda

araerT qalaqSi, maT Soris,

sazRvargareT aTenSi. rTulia

ar gamovyo kidev erTxel, rom

farTo masaze gasvlam momitana

didi gamocdileba. am gzaze

xSirad gxvdeba winaaRmdegoba

da cdilob, mas Tavi daaRwio,

magram adamians, romelic did

auditoriaSi gadis, ar unda

daaviwydes, rom ar moergos

auditorias, piriqiT, sakuTari

Tavi aCvenos mas. Tu kompleqsebi

imZlavrebs, maSin individi

dakargavs xibls da iqceva sxva

adamianebis aslad... mravalferovneba

yvelas aqvs, ubralod,

amis saCveneblad sakuTari Tavia

sapovneli... mec sakuTari

Tavis ZiebaSi viyavi da axlac

var. vfiqrob, mxolod imisTvis

ar unda eZebo raRac, rom Semdeg

ipovo, es procesi Tavad

niSnavs uwyvet moqmedebas...

_ romelia Tqveni sayvareli

leqsi?

_ gavimeoreb, rom rTulia

ipovo da gamoarCio romelime

leqsi. ukeTesi iqneba, Tu im

leqss gavusvam xazs, romelic

axla miqmnis ganwyobas...

***

Senamde Sarebi Soria,

SiSi Slis Sriala

SroSanebs,

movwyvito?

„memento moria”...

marwyvebma mindori

moSales.

sisxlZarRvebs

sisxlisfrad seraven,

stumroben saflavebs

sulebi.

verasdros,

verafriT, veravin...

viwyebiT da

veRar vsruldebiT.

wera 2008 wlis agvistos

tragediam damawyebina~

cvlis cvarze

ca cicinaTelebs,

viTvlidi... vuyvarvar...

ver vwyvetdi...

gvirila gulgrilad

gavTele,

gvirila bunebis defeqtiT.

movwyvito?!

„memento moria”!

marwyvebma

mindori moSales,

Senamde Sarebi Soria,

SiSi Slis S

riala SroSanebs.

àm gzaze xSirad gxvdeba winaaRmdegoba da

cdilob, mas Tavi daaRwio, magram adamians,

romelic did auditoriaSi gadis, ar unda

daaviwydes, rom ar moergos auditorias,

piriqiT, sakuTari Tavi aCvenos mas. Tu

kompleqsebi imZlavrebs, maSin individi dakargavs

xibls da iqceva sxva adamianebis aslad...~

_ Tqveni sayvareli poeti?

_ Cemi sayvareli poetebi

arian zurab gorgilaZe, oTar

WilaZe da a. S. rTulia, aqac

erTis dasaxeleba imitom, rom

poezia xSirad aurasa da xasiaTs

qmnis ise, rom yovelTvis

erT avtors ver waikiTxav, yvela

leqss Tavisi ganwyoba da

mSveniereba aqvs, yvela avtors

Tavisi ganumeorebeli stili,

amitomac konkretulad erTis

gamoyofa SeuZlebelia CemTvis.

leqsis wera raRaciT hgavs

Tevzaobas, dro da gamocdileba

sWirdeba. me avtorebi mxolod

SemoqmedebiT ki ara, biografiiTac

mizidaven, xelovan

xalxs yovelTvis saintereso

cxovrebiseuli gza aqvT. amitom

rTulia, ar SeamCnio es...

xSirad maTi Semoqmedeba anareklia

ganvlili gzisa.

_ ras gegmavT samomavlod?

_ vgegmav uamrav rames, saidan

daviwyo, ar vici... pirvel

rigSi, maqvs ukve axali wigni da

velodebi, rodis damTavrdeba

pandemia, rom gamovce da mkiTxvels

warvudgino... vcdilob,

axali formebi da axali dinebebi

movZebno, aseve Zalian minda

SevZlo da SeveWido prozasac.

Zalian bevrs vfiqrob kinoze,

vswavlob TeatralurSi xelovnebaTmcodneobas

kinokritikis

ganxriT... es aris Cemi

ukana foni. uamravi gegma maqvs,

romelsac axla ver vaxseneb,

radgan damuSavebis procesSia.

rTulia, ar Sevexo imas, rom

ukve wlebia, cocxlad marxaven

literaturas... axalgazrdebs

ar aqvT ganviTarebis Sansi. is

konkursebi, banakebi da festivalebi,

ramac gamzarda da gazarda

mTeli Taobebi, dRes aRar

arsebobs, amitom axalgazrdas,

romelsac surs ganviTareba,

rCevebis miReba, urTules gzaze

gasvla uwevs... minda, gavaumjobeso

situcia da am mxrivac

bevrs vfiqrob. droa, kultura

iqces erT-erT mTavar sayrdenad

Cvens qveyanaSi. maSin roca

aseTi niWieri artistebi gvyavs,

ar unda amcirebde proeqtebs.

maxsovs, ra codna momca im konkursebma,

raSic miviRe monawileoba,

aseve banakebma da literaturulma

klubebma. axla ki

mecodeba is bavSvebi, romlebic

iwyeben da ar aqvT is sivrce,

sadac daexmarebian. me rogorc

avtors, vfiqrob, didi gza

maqvs win dasaxvewi... minda Sevdge

karg kinomcodned da Semdeg

reJisorad... amitom wuTic ar

maqvs dasakargavi. kargi devizia:

„moZraoba da mxolod mo-

Zraoba”...

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`Tanadgoma~ mSobelTa klubs qmnis

bavSvebs uamravi kiTxva aqvT,

giorgi sakaruli

rac maT fizikur da fsiqolog-

555 42 42 81

iur cvlilebebs ukavSirdeba. xSi-

rad mozardebs eridebaT, mSobl-

ebs dausvan SekiTxvebi, Tumca rig SemTxvevebSi kiTxvebis dasmisas

bevr mSobels ar aqvs pasuxebi. xSirad mSoblebis sapasuxo

reaqcia Svilebis qcevaze an kiTxvaze mxolod gamaRiz-

ianeblad mentoruli toniTa da rCevebiT Semoifargleba.

ra unda icodnen mSoblebma?

rogor unda gaumklavdnen isini

mozardebis irgvliv arsebul

problemebs? _ am da sxva uamravi

sakiTxis Sesaxeb „qronika+~-s esaubreba

arasamTavrobo organizacia

„Tanadgomis” advokat-

irebis menejer-fsiqologi maia

jibuti:

_ qalbatono maia, Tqveni

arasamTavrobo organizacia mSo-

belTa klubis Camoyalibebas

apirebs. iqneb, ufro dawvrileb-

iT gviamboT amis Sesaxeb?

_ diax, gasul wels gadavwyviteT,

rom mSobelTa klubi

Camogveyalibebina, vinaidan Cveni

erT-erTi mTavari amocana gardatexis

asakis bavSvebTan muSaoba da

maTi sarisko qcevebis Semcirebaa.

mniSvnelovnad CavTvaleT, rom

upriani iqneboda mSoblebisTvis

Zalian bevri informaciis miwodeba

da treningebis Catareba, anu

rogor gaaumjobeson maT urTierToba

SvilebTan.

_ ras gulisxmobs mSobelTa

klubis idea?

_ „Tanadgomis” centrSi garkveuli

tipis treningebis ciklis

Catarebas. bavSvebsa da mozardebs

rac Seexeba, uamravi Temaa, rac

aucileblad unda icodnen mSoblebma.

_ magaliTad?

_ pirveli da mniSvnelovani:

gardatexis asakis sirTuleebze

saubari, uSualod fiziologiuri

da fsiqologiuri cvlilebebi

ras iwvevs, aseve ras gulisxmobs

zogadad bavSvTa ganviTarebis aspeqtebi

da konkretulad ras unda

miaqcios yuradReba mSobelma.

rogorc xedavT, aqcents vakeTebT

gardatexis asakze, radgan es

aris erT-erTi sarisko periodi

bevri aspeqtis gaTvaliswinebiT:

es iqneba daucveli sqesobrivi

urTierToba, narkomania, alkoholis

moxmareba da a. S.

ded-mamam bevri ramis Sesaxeb

ar icis. magaliTad, Zalian bevri

fiqrobs, rom is mSoblis rols

Cveulebrivad ergeba da yvela

situacias, rTulsa Tu martivs,

gaarTmevs Tavs, magram es ase ar

aris. ori mozardis deda var da

esec mexmareba, rom gavigo, ra

undaT bavSvebs am asakSi da ra codna

sWirdeba mSoblebs. gardatexis

asakSi adamians ecvleba fsiqika,

xdeba mozardis identificireba

sakuTar TavTan, vin aris, ra

unda, saiT midis, am periodSi uyalibdeba

Rirebulebebi, faseulobebi,

ganicdis siyvaruls, aseve

megobrobis grZnobas aniWebs upiratesobas.

am asakSi xdeba distancireba

mSoblebisgan, maswavleblebisgan

da, zogadad, sxva ufrosebisgan.

isini aRar arian avtoritetebi.

es mSoblebma Cveulebrivad

unda miiRon. es aris normaluri

mdgomareoba. is, rom gardatexis

asakSi mozardebis cnobismoyvareoba

yvelafris mimarT

izrdeba, aseve damoukidebloba

didi doziT surT, hgoniaT, rom

mTebs gadadgamen da am dros mSobeli

mas ewinaaRmdegeba da eubneba,

rom Sen jer es ar gamogiva

patara asakis gamo da Cemze xar

damokidebuli, aseTi sityvebi samomavlod

Zalian cud kvals

tovebs mozardis pirovnul

Camoyalibebaze.

_ am dros ra trialebs bavS-

vis fsiqikaSi? ra savalalo

mdgomareobamde SeiZleba mivides

mozardi, Tuki xedavs mSoblis

msgavss damokidebulebas?

_ erT-erTma mecnierma aRzrdis

ramdenime stili gamoyo: Tu

mSobels aqvs arCeuli aRzrdis

avtoritaruli stili, anu roca

mSobeli bolomde akontrolebs

bavSvis qcevas, ar iTvaliswinebs

bavSvis survilebs, interesebs da

yvelafers akeTebinebs sakuTari,

anu mSoblis interesebidan gamomdinare,

Sedegad viRebT absoluturad

nebelobagatexil adamians,

romelsac Tavisi subieqturi

azri samomavlod ar eqneba da yvelaferi

SeiZleba hkiTxos dedas

an mamas, saiT wavides, _ marjvniv

Tu marcxniv? aseTi mSoblebi

damoukidebeli cxovrebis Sesa-

Zleblobas arTmeven Svilebs. yvelaze

misaRebi aris avtoritetuli

meTodi, rodesac bavSvi Tanabarzomieria

ufrosebTan, srulfasovani

wevria ojaxis da ara

danamati, masac igivenairi ufleba

aqvs, rac didebs, Tumca es ise

ar unda gavigoT, rom Svils mivceT

yvelafris ufleba. ubralod,

rasac davuSliT da vetyviT,

rom es cudia, maSin argumentirebulad

unda davusabuToT, Tu ratom

ar SeiZleba.

Tu gvinda, rom kargi urTier-

Toba damyardes bavSvebTan, mSoblebma

sami ZiriTadi komponenti

unda gaiTvaliswinon:

1. siTbo da siyvaruli, emociis

maqsimalurad gamomJRavneba

(mofereba, imis aRiareba Tu rogor

giyvars Svili; ra bednierebaa,

rom is Sens cxovrebaSi arsebobs

da a. S.);

2. fsiqoavtonomia, _ bavSvs

aucileblad unda mivceT damoukideblobis

saSualeba (bavSvs

unda ganvuviTaroT Tavisi subieqturi

azri, rom SeeZlos sakuTari

azrebis Tavisuflad gamoxatva,

rom ar iyos is uaryofiTad Sefasebuli,

gakritikebuli, rac

TavisTavad gamoiwvevs bavSvis

swor ganviTarebas. damoukideblad

SeZlos tansacmlis arCeva

da a. S.);

3. regulaciebis daweseba _

ojaxSi mSoblebma unda SeimuSavon

qcevis saerTo wesebi.

sxvaTa Soris, mozardebs uyvarT

garkveul wesrigSi moqceva.

qcevis wesebis SemuSavebaSi nebismieri

ram igulisxmeba. magaliTad,

Cvens ojaxSi mozardi unda movides

saxlSi 12 saaTamde, kviras

erTad unda visadiloT, kviraSi

orjer Seni oTaxi unda daalago

da bevri sxva wvrilmanisgan Sei-

Zleba rom Sedgebodes qcevis wes-

kiTxvebi da problemebi

mozardebSi _ ra unda

icodnen mSoblebma?!

ebi. rodesac erToblivad aris

miRebuli, Sesabamisad, winaaRmdegoba

da protesti arc im bavSvs

uCndeba da es exeba ufrosebsac.

_ es wesebi ojaxis erTo-

bisTvisac kargia.

_ ra Tqma unda. me rac CamogiTvaleT,

es sami komponenti rom

iyos amuSavebuli, ojaxis wevrebi

bevrad ufro Sekrulebi iqnebian.

aseT dros naklebia konfliqti,

mozardebi bevrad ufro gaxsnilebi

arian mSoblebTan, ar eqnebaT

imis survili, rom damalon

rame saxis saidumlo.

_ ZiriTadad, ratom umalaven

mozardebi mSoblebs saidumlos?

_ rogorc wesi, mSoblebi da

ufrosebi mozardebs xSirad akritikeben,

gansjian, _ es ar SeiZleba,

cudad moiqeci da a. S. mere

ukve bavSvs aRar uCndeba survili,

rom mSobelTan gaixsnas da megobruli

urTierToba hqondes mas-

Tan. arada, Zalian mniSvnelovania

am asakSi megobruli urTierTobis

SenarCuneba. imas ar vambob,

rom maincdamainc megobrebad gadaiqcnen

mSoblebi.

_ Tumca egec ar iqneboda

cudi.

_ piriqiT, mozardobis asakSi

SvilTan megobruli urTierToba

unda gqondes, sxva SemTxvevaSi

bavSvi distancirdeba. aseve Zalian

mniSvnelovania, rom mSobelma

icodes, Tu visTan megobrobs

Tavisi Svili.

_ samwuxarod, mozardebis

aRzrdisa da Camoyalibebis procesSi

mSobeli xSirad uSvebs Sec-

domebs.

`Tu gvinda, rom kargi urTierToba damyardes

bavSvebTan, mSoblebma sami ZiriTadi

komponenti unda gaiTvaliswinon:

1. siTbo da siyvaruli, emociis maqsimalurad

gamomJRavneba (mofereba, imis aRiareba Tu

rogor giyvars Svili; ra bednierebaa, rom is

Sens cxovrebaSi arsebobs da a. S.);

2. fsiqoavtonomia, - bavSvs aucileblad unda

mivceT damoukideblobis saSualeba (bavSvs unda

ganvuviTaroT Tavisi subieqturi azri, rom

SeeZlos sakuTari azrebis Tavisuflad gamoxatva,

rom ar iyos is uaryofiTad Sefasebuli,

gakritikebuli, rac TavisTavad gamoiwvevs bavSvis

swor ganviTarebas. damoukideblad SeZlos

tansacmlis arCeva da a. S.);

3. regulaciebis daweseba - ojaxSi mSoblebma

unda SeimuSavon qcevis saerTo wesebi~

_ bevrjer gvsmenia xolme mSoblebis

mimarT negatiuri Sefasebebi,

gansakuTrebiT skolis maswavleblebi

akritikeben maT, rom

mSoblebma bevri raRac ar ician.

„Tanadgomis mSobelTa klubi” sowred

am problemis gamosworebas

vTavazobT mSoblebs, rom CvenTan

treningebze iseT mniSvnelovan

informacias miiReben, rogoricaa

asakobrivi ganviTarebis specifikuri

maxasiaTeblebi, SvilebTan

urTierTobis swori midgomebis SemuSaveba.

rac Seexeba Temebs, eseni

iqneba fiziologia, fsiqologia,

TanatolebTan urTierToba. Zalian

aqtualuria bulingisa da

kiberbulingis Tema _ mniSvnelovania,

mSobels ar gamoeparos, Tuki

mis Svils Cagraven skolaSi an virtualur

samyaroSi.

_ axla ra etapze xarT? rodis

iwyebT am Temebze treneni-

gebs?

_ sawyis etapze varT. kovidma

SegviSala xeli, amitom Cven gavakeTeT

feisbuq gverdi „Tanadgoma

mSoblebs”, Tumca jer Zalian

mcire momxmarebeli gvyavs. vfiqrobT,

rom es gverdi gavacocxloT,

gavaaqtiuroT, sadac gveqneba

laiv-CarTvebi. aq gvidevs mozardTan

seqsualur ganaTlebaze

kargi statiebi. aucilebelia, rom

gavaaqtiuroT mSoblebi interaqtiuli

SexvedrebiT, rom procesi

ufro siantereso iyos.

_ Tavdapirvelad onlain re-

JimiT imuSavebT?

_ am etapze sxva gza ar aris. rac

yvelaze mTavaria, es treningebi

ufaso iqneba, maRalkvalificiur

specialistebs moviwvevT da win

saintereso Sexvedrebi gvelodeba.

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giorgi sakaruli

555 42 42 81

TbilisSi kidev erTi modis

saxli „nanna” (nanna) gaixsna, romlis maspinZelic dizaineri

nana sirbilaSvilia. profesiiT meRvine qalbatoni wlebis

manZilze italiaSi cxovrobda da meuRlesTan erTad (isic

meRvine) muSaobda, Tumca erT mSvenier dRes gadawyvita, rom

meRvineobidan samodelo biznesSi ecada bedi, ramac, SeiZle-

ba iTqvas, gaamarTla.

lamazi kabebisa da sxvadasxva

modelis Seqmnis survili yovel-

Tvis hqonda, Tumca amas serio-

zulad arasdros uyurebda, rom

ara erTi sabediswero Sexvedra

qarTvel qalbatonTan, romelic

aseve italiaSi cxovrobda.

agrovebda Zvirfass qsovil-

ebs, ecnoboda modis siaxleebs,

tendenciebs, iZenda axal mego-

brebs, adamianebs, romlebic ita-

liis modis industriaSi muSaobdnen

da gadawyvita, rom es yve-

laferi gadmoetana aq, sakuTar

qveyanaSi da popularizacia gae-

wia qarTuli brendisTvis.

„qronika+~ modis saxl „nannas”

prezentaciaze estumra, rom uf-

ro axlodan gagvecno qarTveli

qalbatoni, romelic silamazes

emsaxureba.

nana sirbilaSvili (nanna),

dizaineri:

_ 1993 wels meuRlesTan erTad

italiaSi wavedi, Tumca periodulad

sul Camovdiodi xolme saqarTveloSi.

profesiiT meRvine

var. me da Cemi meuRle aq saqmeSi

viyaviT Tavidanve da ideis donezec

ki ar ganvixilavdi odesme

sakuTari maRaziisa da saxelosnos

gaxsnas. bolos 2007 wels wavedi

italiaSi konkretuli misiiT

da swored maSin gamiCnda idea,

rom saqarTveloSi rame Cemi

gamekeTebina.

_ saqarTveloSi rodis Camox-

vediT?

_ 2012 wels Camovedi da am

ideis ganxorcieleba daviwye.

_ qalisTvis cota ucnauri,

Tumca Zalian kargi profesia _

meRvineoba airCieT. ratom?

_ es iyo Cemi bavSvuri axireba.

papa myavda meRvine da, SeiZleba

iTqvas, rom mis kvals gavyevi.

mamaCems ar undoda, es profesia

amerCia. Zalian saintereso profesiaa

da Cemi meuRle namdvilad

kargi meRvinea.

_ rogor daiwyeT samodelo

biznesSi moRvaweoba?

_ gavicani erTi qarTveli qalbatoni,

romelic didi xnis gaTxovili

gaxldaT italiaSi da Tvi-

Tnaswavli mkeravi iyo. ise davukavSireT

erTmaneTs Cveni cxovreba,

rom kervisa da qsovilis garda,

faqtobrivad, araferi mesmoda.

sul miyvarda maRaziebSi siaruli,

rogorc yvela qals. ufro

metad viswavle qsovilis garCeva,

faqturis Seswavla da maSin mananam

miTxra, rom saqarTveloSi roca

Caxval, SegiZlia, meRvineobas

daubrundeo? mec davfiqrdi mis

naTqvamze da simarTle giTxraT,

survilic aRar mqonda, rom meRvineobas

davbrunebodi, radgan sakmaod

bevri weli vimuSave am sferoSi.

iqve miviRe mtkice gadawyvetileba.

_ miiReT gadawyvetileba,

rom...?

_ kerva unda damewyo. sakuTari

saxelosno unda gamekeTebina. jer

unda Semekera labadebi, zamTris

paltoebi. Tavdapirvelad italiaSi

qsovilebi SeviZine, vagrove

es yvelaferi, Camovedi TbilisSi,

Cemi dis bina sololakSi gavaremonte,

SeviZine sakeravi manqanebi,

oTxi mkeravi movZebne da daviwye

kerva. saboloo jamSi, gadavwyvite,

rom Cemi brendi gamekeTebina.

_ italiuri gavlena da stili

Tu gadmoitaneT qarTulSi?

_ ra Tqma unda. namdvilad gavlenis

qveS moveqeci. roca pirvelad

wavedi italiaSi, grZeli Savi

kaba mecva da mgoni, marto me gamoviyurebodi

ase. Zalian Tamami

unda iyo, rom italiuri moda

Seafaso. CrdiloeT italiaSi ar

momwonda maTi Cacmuloba, radgan

xalxi, ZiriTadad, praqtikul Cacmaze

iyo gadasuli. samxreTis, neapolis

yureSi, ukve igrZnoba Cacma,

maRali moda da yvelas gansxvavebulad

ecva. gansakuTrebulad

TvalSi mxvdeboda moxuci

qalbatonebi, romlebsac ecvaT

saocrad daxvewilad, lamazad,

ferebi Sexamebuli erTmaneTTan.

_ ra aris mTavari detali, rac

qarTul samosSi gadmoitaneT?

_ mxolod xarisxi. ar SemiZlia

iseT qsovilze muSaoba, romelic

dens urtyams. Cemi koleqcia ar

aris mogebaze gaTvlili, mTavaria,

xarisxi da momxmarebeli kmayofili

iyos. yvela qsovili ver

iqneba naturaluri, magram masTan

miaxloebuli mainc unda iyos da

xarisxiani.

_ Tu xelmZRvanelobT da ecnobiT

italiis modis tendenciebs,

Tu iTvaliswinebT maT reko-

mendaciebs?

_ ra Tqma unda. rac ar unda

akeTo, mainc aucilebelia, rom

msoflio modis industrias fexi

auwyo da ar CamorCe. modis tendenciebi

yovel wels icvleba da,

sabednierod, iseTi dro dadga,

rom ver ityvi, Tu ra aris konkretulad

modaSi. 2020-2021 wlebSi

aris raRac trenduri, magram Sar-

Sandelsac ar daukargavs Tavisi

xibli da silamaze. italiaSi bevr

mwarmoebelTan maqvs xSiri kontaqti,

SourumebTan vTanamSromlob,

uamravi megobari myavs iq da

sul vecnobi am siaxleebs.

_ xom ar fiqrobT, rom Tqven

mier Seqmnili qarTuli samosi

italiaSi waiRoT?

_ SarSan viyavi CrdiloeT italiaSi,

erT-erT SourumSi, da

araCveulebrivi adamianebi gavicani

da davmegobrdi. maT SemomTavazes,

rom SouromSi mimeRo

moanawileoba. cota uxerxulia

rame vTqva „guCize”, „armanze”,

magram me ufro did pativs vcem

axalgazrda dizainerebs. bednieri

var, rom uamravi ucxoeuli

dizaineris gverdiT Cemi samosi

gamoifineboda. es yvelaferi pandemiam

CaSala, magram rogorc ki

situacia dalagdeba, aucileblad

waval da waviReb Cems koleqcias.

sxvaTa Soris, erTma Cemma italielma

megobarma miTxra, rom Seni

koleqcia aq rom Camoitano, erT

dReSi aRar geqnebao.

_ ras geubnebian Tqveni mego-

brebi, ra situaciaa amJamad ita-

liaSi?

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meRvineobidan

samodelo biznesSi

_ `nannas~ samoss

italiaSi elian

`Cemi koleqcia

ar aris mogebaze

gaTvlili,

mTavaria xarisxi~

_ msoflio krizisi italiaSic

seriozulad igrZnoba. yvelafris

fasma moimata, miT umetes, tansacmlis

da xalxi fasdaklebas

elodeba. „maqsmaras” kaba Tu Rirda

300-400 evro, axla maTi fasi

1000 evros Seadgens. iqac aris

patara „Caina Tauni” florenciasTan

axlos, sadac Cinelebis dasaxlebaa

da tansacmeli sakmaod

gansxvavebul fasebSi ikereba,

amitom xalxi, ZiriTadad, am maRaziebSi

moZraobs.

_ maRazia sul ramdenime dRea,

rac gaxseniT. qarTveli momx-

marebeli gadamxdelunariania?

_ maRazia axlaxan gavxseni, magram

7 welia, rac Cems samoss sxvadasxva

maRaziaSi vabarebdi. sakmaod

uWirs qarTvel momxmarebels

gadaxda, Tumca visac unda, rom

ecvas xarisxiani da iyos gamor-

Ceuli, is Tavisuflad yidulobs.

_ TbilisSi, ZiriTadad, rogor

stilzea moTxovna?

_ qeJual stilzea moTxovna.

_ rasac vakvirdebi, uniseqsic

Zalian aqtualuri gaxda.

_ namdvilad. magaliTad, Cven-

Tan Semovida mamakaci, romelmac

ùnda gadavrCeT da Cveni

saqme SevinarCunoT~

moizoma qalis palto da imdenad

moewona, rom SekveTa mogvca da

msgavss stilSi vukeTebT paltos.

me momwons es stilic. mamakacis

pijaki sxvanairi teqnologiiT ikereba,

sakmaod rTulia, Tumca axla

gevubnebian, rom ar gvinda ise-

Ti, SekereT martivad, qalis stili.

_ Tqvens garderobSi, Ziri-

Tadad, ra ferebi sWarbobs?

_ Cemi feri ufro Savi, TeTri

da yavisferia. bevrs ar uyvars

yavisferi, Tumca modis tendenciebSi

wels Zalian bevr dizainers

aqvs yavisferi tonebi. Cems

gemovnebaze rom iyos marto

damokidebuli, maRaziaSi mxolod

Savsa da TeTrs naxavdiT, Tumca

ase araa. valdbeuli var, momxmareblis

gemovnebasa da stilze

vizruno da yvela feri mqondes.

erTxel gidma rusi turistebi

Semoiyvana da amdeni siSave rom

dainaxes, ar moewonaT, arc mividnen

samosis sanaxavad. aman Zalian

cudad imoqmeda Cemze.

_ amboben, italielebi xasi-

aTiT qarTvelebs gvanano. Cacmis

mxriv ras gvetyviT?

_ am kuTxiT cota gansxvavdebian

Cvengan. marTalia, Savebi

maTac uyvarT, magram ara ise,

rogorc Cven. iq ufro sadad Cacmulebi

dadian, rasac Cvenze ver

vityvi.

_ pandemiis Temas minda davu-

brunde. ramdenad didi riski iyo

am situaciaSi maRaziis gaxsna?

_ riski, TavisTavad, aris, magram

pandemiamde mzad viyaviT

gasaxsnelad, Tumca ver movaxerxeT

da axla am principze var, rom

mTavaria gadavrCeT, SevinarCunoT

is saqme, rasac vakeTebT da mere

ufro naklebad gagviWirdeba. sabednierod,

TanamSromlebs Cveulebrivad

vuxdi im Tanxas, rasac

aqamde vuxdidi. mjera da mwams,

rom Tu cxovreba unda gagrZeldes,

Tu Sen es yvelaferi gadaitane,

sakuTar sityvas aucileblad

ityvi. menaneba es yvelaferi. erT

interviuSi vTqvi, _ zogjer ise-

Ti samosi iqmneba, gasayidad menaneba

xolme, magram ras vizamT. axla

mTavaria, yvelaferi dalagdes.

_ konkurenciis ar SegeSin-

daT?

_ Tavidan rom daviwye es saqme,

amaze ar mifiqria da axlac ar

vfiqrob msgavss rameze. araCveulebrivi

dizainerebi gvyavs, vici

maTi namuSevrebi, Tumca SiSiT

namdvilad ar meSinia.

_ riT gamoirCeva qarTuli

brendi „nanna” sxva brendebisgan?

_ upirveles yovlisa, xarisxiT.

garda amisa, CvenTan zrdasrulebisTvis

ufro meti arCevania,

vidre _ TineijerebisTvis.

aqvea saxelosno da Tu vinmes

rameze guli wydeba, adgilzeve

SegviZlia samosis gadakeTeba.

_ ratom „nanna?

_ saxelze bevri vifiqreT, Tu

rogor gamovCeniliyaviT sazogadoebis

winaSe da gadavwyvite, Cemi

da Cemi qaliSvilis saxelebi gameerTianebina.

Cemi gogos saxelia

anna, Semdeg gavaerTiane da miviRe

„nanna”.

_ Cvenebas gegmavT?

_ aucileblad vapireb Cvenebis

gakeTebas, lokacia SerCeuli

gvaqvs, koleqciazec vmuSaobT,

Tumca amaze winaswar jer ver

visaubreb.

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komendanti

istoriul

matCamde...

erTi kvira darCa saqarTvelos nakrebs

istoriaSi umniSvnelovaness matCamde. 12

noembers Cvenebi „dinamo arenaze” CrdiloeT

makedonias dauxvdebian. sasworis pinaze

evro 2020-is sagzuri devs.

am matCis garda vladimir vaisis gundi

kidev 2 matCs gamarTavs: 15 noembers somxeTs

dauxvdeba, 18-Si estoneTs. es erTa

ligis C divizionis matCebia, sadac saqar-

Tvelo jgufSi pirvelobisTvis ibrZvis.

somxebTan da estonelebTan matCebi

Tavidan baTumis axal stadionze iyo dagegmili.

TiTqos saamisod gaixsna kidec, magram

bolo wams saqarTvelos fexburTis

federaciam gadawyvetileba Secvala da

yvela TamaSi „dinamo arenaze” Sedgeba.

vladimir vaisma noembris matCebisTvis

erovnul gundSi 29 fexburTeli gamoiZaxa.

maT Soris erTi debiutanti volgogradis

„rotoris” 22 wlis Semtevi beqa miqelTaZe.

cota ar iyos, gasakviria uTamaSebeli

miqelTaZis gamoZaxeba da budu zivzivaZis

datoveba, romelic karg formaSia.

ukve cnobilia, rom travmis gamo Cvens

gunds giorgi CakvetaZe da oTar kiteiSvili

ver daexmarebian.

saqarTvelos nakrebi uaxloesi matCebisTvis

mzadebas 9 noembers TbilisSi daiwyebs.

vaisis gafarToebul siaSi eseni arian:

mekareebi: giorgi loria (anorTosisi,

kviprosi), giorgi makariZe (almeria, espaneTi),

lazare kupataZe (saburTalo);

mcvelebi: guram kaSia (san xose, aSS),

oTar kakabaZe (tenerife, espaneTi), daviT

xoWolava (Saxtari, ukraina), gia grigalava

(arsenali, ruseTi), solomon kverkvelia

(rotori, ruseTi), mamuka kobaxiZe, giorgi

navalovski (orive dinamo bT), jimi tabiZe

(ufa, ruseTi), laSa dvali (ferencvaroSi,

ungreTi);

naxevarmcvelebi: jaba kankava, nika kvekveskiri

(orive toboli, yazaxeTi), giorgi

aburjania (oviedo, espaneTi), murTaz dauSvili

(anorTosisi, kviprosi), levan Sengelia

(koniaspori, TurqeTi), saba lobJaniZe

(ankaraguju, TurqeTi), xviCa kvaracxelia

(rubini, ruseTi), zuriko daviTaSvili (rotori,

ruseTi), vako gvilia (legia, poloneTi),

jaba jiRauri (dinamo bT.), giorgi

papunaSvili (saragosa, espaneTi);

Tavdamsxmelebi: giorgi qviliTaia, T-

ornike oqriaSvili (orive anorTosisi, kviprosi),

vako yazaiSvili (san xose, aSS), elguja

lobjaniZe (kaisari, yazaxeTi), nika ka-

Warava (lexi, poloneTi), beqa miqelTaZe

(rotori, ruseTi);

P.S. saqarTvelos mTavrobis gadawyvetilebiT,

9 noembridan TbilisSi, quTaisSi,

baTumSi, rusTavSi, zugdidSi, gorsa da fo-

TSi, 22:00-dan dilis 05:00-mde, gadaadgileba

SeizRudeba. es gavlenas iqoniebs erovnuli

nakrebis TamaSzec, gulSematkivrebi

matCis xilvasa da qomagobas stadionTanac

veRar SeZleben. Sexvedra 12 noembers, 21:00-

ze iwyeba. SezRudvis damrRvevi piri 2000

lariT dajarimdeba. amis gamo erovnul

gunds qomagi veRarc quCaSi daxvdeba da

gaamxnevebs, veRarc namatCevs daukravs

taSs. aseve ucnobia im xalxis bedi, vinc

stadionze iqneba (Jurnalistebi, matCis

momsaxure personali...)

momkiTxavi jer aravin Cans...

axal wlamde

barselonas prezidenti

daiwyo da orjer ukve waago

noembris baSos pirvel dRes, toCinoSini

kargad nacnob metoqes _ tamavaSis Seerkina,

romelsac urTierTSexvedrebSi 21:11

amarcxebda. Serkineba dinamikuri gamodga

distanciaze, rac mowinaaRmdegis mTavari

iaraRia. levan gorgaZem is dohioze daagdo,

magram mas Semdeg, rac tavaras miRma

fexi gadadga, damarcxda.

qarTvelis momdevno metoqe takarafuji

iyo, romelsac urTierTSexvedrebSi amarcxebda

_ 12:8. takarafujisTan yvelani

gamarjvebas velodiT, levani upiratesobasac

flobda, Tumca ver SeinarCuna.

ukve SegviZlia vTqvaT, rom toCinoSins

kiuSu baSos starti ar gamouvida.

toCis Semdegi metoqe kotoSoho iqneba,

romelsac aqamde mxolod erTxel Sexvda

da mougo.

„barselonas” prezidentis movaleobis

Semsrulebelma karles tusketsma Tqva,

rom klubis saprezidento arCevnebi

Soba-axali wlis dResaswaulis Semdeg

Catardeba. mogexsenebaT, kaTolikur samyaroSi

Soba 25 dekembersaa.

kanonis Tanaxmad, „barsam” arCevnebi

wina prezidentis gadadgomidan 40-dan 90

dRis farglebSi unda Caataros. jozep

maria bartomeum ki Tanamdeboba gasul

samSabaTs, 27 oqtombers datova.

tusketsma Tqva, rom droebiTi sabWo

orSabaTs Seikriba da arCevnebi Soba-axali

wlis axlomaxlo daTqva; rasakvirvelia,

Tuki procesebs kovid 19-is pandemia

xels ar SeuSlis.

tusketsi: „am sakiTxebis gasarkvevad

Cven adgilobriv xelisuflebas jer ar

SevxvedrivarT, magram gvaqvs informacia,

rom dekembris bolomde arCevnebis mowyoba

SeuZlebeli iqneba. ase rom, arCevnebisTvis

yvelaze logikuri ianvris dasawyisi

Cans”.

prezidentis movaleobis Semsrulebelma

kidev erTxel dasZina, rom „barselona”

erT nabijs ar gadadgams kataloniis mTavrobasTan

SeuTanxmeblad.

Tuki axali prezidenti moRvaweobas

ianvarSi daiwyebs, is satransfero saqmianobaSi

dauyovnebliv, Sua sezonidanve CaerTveba.

maradonas tvinze

operacia gaukeTes

did diego maradonas, romelsac 30

oqtombers 60 weli Seusrulda, eqimebma

tvinSi Trombi aRmouCines.

es gaxlavT subduraluri hematoma, anu

tvinSi Caqceuli sisxlis nairsaxeoba,

romelsac buenos airesidan samxreTiT,

erTi saaTis savalze, la platas kerZo

klinikaSi miagnes, Tumc maradonas opera-

cia sxvagan, argentinis dedaqalaqis gare-

uban olivosSi gaukeTes.

legendis megobari, Jurnalisti martin

arevalo: „SuadRisas me mas velaparake.

kargad iyo. ori saaTis Semdeg ki cnobili

gaxda skanirebis Sedegebi da iTqva, rom

diegos tvinSi hematoma aqvs. eqimebma aRar

daayovnes. axla is saoperaciod olivosSi

waiyvanes”.

Tavidan apirebdnen, rom maradona la

platas saavadmyofodan wina kviris xuT-

SabaTs an paraskevs gaeweraT, magram gegma

Secvales. operacia saswrafo iyo.

subduraluri hematoma emarTebaT,

rodesac avariaSi moyvebian, simaRlidan

ecemian an vinme TavSi Zlierad artyamT.

riskis qveS arian agreTve maRalkontaq-

turi sportis warmomadgenlebic.

maradonas piradma eqimma Tqva, rom

diegom cnoba hematomisa da saswrafo

operaciis Sesaxeb wynarad miiRo. aseTi

hematomis mqone pacientebis umravlesoba

Zalian moxucia. maradonas cxovrebaSi ki

TiTqos araferi icvleba. is kvlav Zveli

diegoa, ubralod, emateba da emateba axa-

li specifikuri diagnozebi.

operacia 80 wuTi gagrZelda.

klinikasTan uamravi gulSematkivari

Seikriba. isini argentinis kerpis gadarCe-

nisTvis loculobdnen.

operaciam warmatebiT Caiara.

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varskvlavi

14 noembers inglisTan

14 noembers inglisTan

Ziudo Zveli TaviT

saqarTvelos Ziudos federaciis

saangariSo-saarCevno yriloba

pandemiis gamo regulaciebis

dacviT Ria cis qveS Catarda

da mas 55 delegatidan 45 daeswro.

giorgi aTabegaSvilma prezidentobis

periodSi gaweuli muSaobis

Sesaxeb isaubra da uflebamosileba

moixsna, magram yrilobis delegatebma

aTabegaSvils federaciis

prezidentis postze erTxmad

dauWires mxari. is erTaderTi

kandidati aRmoCnda.

axalarCeulma prezidentma

krebebTan viTamaSoT. amiT gavizrdebiT

da ufro karg ragbis

viTamaSebT. mogebuli TamaSebis

raodenobaze gancxadebis gakeTeba

seriozuli ar iqneba. yvelafers

dro aCvenebs. motivacia

didia, ufro meti molodiniT

veliT momdevno matCebs. SotlandiasTan

TamaSSi daSvebuli Secdomebi

ukve gavaanalizeT. mzadeba

kargad mimdinareobs. gacilebiT

ukeTess gunds ixilavT

waradgina pirveli vice-prezidenti

daviT qevxiSvili, vice-prezidentebad

ki _ zaza gulbiani,

zaqro kevliSvili, Tamaz naveriani

da cezar CoCeli. delegatebma

Semadgenloba erTxmad daamtkices.

Ziudos federaciis generaluri

mdivani levan nozaZe iqneba.

SegaxsenebT, rom aTabegaSvili

Ziudos federaciis prezidentad

2 welia, muSaobs pirvelad 2018

wels gamarTul riggareSe yrilobaze

airCies.

N28 (330) 10.11-16.11.2020 w.

Semdeg kviras”, _ Tqva saqarTvelos

nakrebis mwvrTnelma levan

maisaSvilma.

ager, Cvenebis Semadgenlobac:

mixeil nariaSvili, guram gogiCaSvili,

leqso yaulaSvili, Salva

mamukaSvili, jaba bregvaZe,

giorgi WyoiZe, giorgi meliqiZe,

beqa gigaSvili, nodar WeiSvili,

grigor qerdiyoSvili, laSa jaiani,

giorgi javaxia, kote miqautaZe;

mesame xazi: mixeil gaCeCilaZe,

beqa gorgaZe, beqa saRinaZe, oTar

giorgaZe, giorgi TxilaiSvili,

Tornike jalaRonia, vasil lob-

JaniZe, gela afrasiZe, mixeil alania,

Tedo abJandaZe, laSa xmalaZe,

luka matkava, merab SariqaZe,

giorgi kveselaZe, deme TaflaZe,

mirian modebaZe, akaki tabucaZe,

sandro Todua, Tamaz mWedliZe,

sandro svaniZe, soso maTiaSvili,

daviT niniaSvili.

Serminatori _

oqtomberSi saukeTeso

saqarTvelos nakrebis kalaTburTeli, giorgi Sermadini, espaneTis

Cempionatis oqtombris saukeTeso moTamaSed daaaxeles. wleuls es

pirvelad moxda. SegaxsenebT, rom gasul sezonSi Sermadins igive jildo

orjer ergo.

„tenerifes” qarTveli centri evropis uZlieres ligaSi Cinebulad

TamaSobs da gasul TveSi gamarTuli 4 matCis jami yvela kalaTburTelze

sargebliani iyo oqtomberSi Sermadinis margi qmedebis sa-

Sualo maCvenebeli 28.7 gaxldaT. Sedegad, ligis xelmZRvanelobam Tvis

MVP-is tituli Cveneburs gadasca. qarTvelis didi damsaxurebaa, „tenerifes”

istoriaSi sezonis saukeTeso starti rom aqvs 6 mogeba, 1

marcxi. amas ligis vebgverdic wers.

saqarTvelos moragbeTa nakrebi

inglisSi gaemgzavra. borjRalosnebi

londonTan axlos dabanakdebian

da Semodgomis erTa

Tasis matCebisTvis moemzadebian.

pirvel Sexvedras Cveni gundi 14

noembers inglisis nakrebTan gamarTavs.

„inglisTan matCisTvis londonSi

erTkviriani mzadeba gveqneba.

mogveca Sansi, rom mudmiv re-

JimSi kviridan kviramde did na-

liverpulSi axali varskv-

lavi daibada _ diogu Jota.

„atalantasTan”

CempionTa

ligis matCSi (5:0) heT-Triqi

Seasrula, Tanac xom erTi me-

oreze lamazi burTebi Seagdo.

portugalieli

saocrad

swrafad Seewyo axal gunds da

Tu „vulverhemptonSi” erTerTi

lideri iyo, „liverpul-

Si” namdvil varskvlavad gada-

iqca. axaldawyebul sezonSi

jamurad man 10 matCSi Svidi

goli gaitana.

SegaxsenebT, rom 23 wlis

Jotam mersisaidul klubTan

xangrZliv kontraqts 2020

wlis 19 seqtembers moawera

xeli. transferi 41 milioni

girvanqa dajda. is pasuS de

fereiras aRzrdilia. uTamaSia

madridis „atletikoSi”, „por-

tusa” da „vulverhemptonSi”,

portugaliis yvela asakobriv

nakrebSi. erovnul gundSi 2019

wlidan iZaxeben. dRemde qveynis

mTavar gundSi 7 matCi Caa-

tara da 3 goli gaitana.

„manCester iunaitedis” yo-

fili varskvlavi, amJamd ki

teleeqsperti, rio ferdinan-

di ambobs, rom Jota sastarto

matCebSi ZiriTadad Secvlebze

Sedioda mindorze, Tumca didi

Sansia, male bobi firminos adgili

daikavos wiTlebis Ziri-

TadSi.

„cxadia, rom firmino didi

wnexis qveS moeqca da axla

surs Tu ara, klops kidev erTxel

unda daumtkicos saku-

Tari vargisianoba. es ideal-

uri saRamo iyo „liverpulisTvis”.

Jotam ki yvela molo-

dins gadaaWarba”, _ ganacxada

ferdinandma BT Sport-is -is pirda-

pir eTerSi.

kiTxvaze, rogor Seewyo

portugalieli axal gunds ase

swrafad, riom miugo:

„Jotas Tavisi msgavsi fexburTelebi

hyavs garSemo, isi-

ni daaxloebiT aRnagobiTac

hgvanan erTmaneTs da safexburTo

azrovnebiTac. umaRle-

si klasis moTamaSeebi gaxlavan

da male gauges Jotas. amito-

maa, rom portugaliels axal

gundSi gacilebiT meti Sesa-

Zlebloba da perspeqtiva gauC-

nda, vidre vulvzSi hqonda.”

yofilma „liverpulelma”

varskvlavma, maikl ouenma, Jo-

tas gansakuTrebuli moTamaSe

uwoda.

„is gansakuTrebulia. xe-

davT, ra male Seerwya gunds.

sakuTari gamocdilebiT gety-

viT, Tavidan didi wnexis qveS

eqcevi da Tu ginda, rom gundma

migiRos, upirvelesad part-

niorebis pativiscema unda dai-

msaxuro. mokle droSi isic

moxerxa, rom gulSematkivrebis

siyvarulic moipova. qomage-

bi ukve endobian da es Zalian

mniSvnelovania.

saerTod, „atalantasTan”

wina sameulma SesaniSnavad iTa-

maSa. heT-Triqi ki fantastik-

uri iyo”, _ Tqva ouenma.

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CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK

kviris horoskopi

verZi

Zveli megobrebi fasdaudebel daxmarebas

gagiweven. maTi mxardaWera Zalian

gagaxarebT – imitomac, rom amas ar elodiT.

da TqvenTvis sruliad moulodneli

siurprizi iqneba is, rom Turme erTerT

maTgans didi xania uyvarxarT, magram

mTeli am wlebis ganmavlobaSi Tavis

grZnobebs ar amxelda.

kuro

nebismieri uaryofiTi informacia

kalapotidan amogagdebT da SeiZleba

Tqveni sabrZolo suliskveTeba CaaxSos.

am drois ganmavlobaSi ufro Zlier

iqnebiT eWvisa da SfoTvisken midrekili,

vidre odesme. SeecadeT ar daiTrgunoT

da sakuTar SesaZleblobebSi eWvi ar SegeparoT.

tyupi

mogiwevT brZola Tqveni Sromis anazRaurebis

misaRebad. savaraudod, Sei-

Zleba interesTa konfliqtic ki warmoiSvas

romelime kolegasTan an konkurent-

Tan, magram TqvenTvis moulodnelad warmatebas

miaRwevT, Tavdajerebulobisa da

energiis naklebobis miuxedavad.

kirCxibi

mivlinebebi da saqmiani vizitebi axla

maincdamainc sasurveli ar aris, Tumca,

Tu iZulebuli xarT mniSvnelovani saqmis

gamo imogzauroT, nurafris geSiniaT

– yvelaferi ise cudad ar Caivlis,

rogorc fiqrobT, metic, saboloo jam-

Si mogzaurobam SeiZleba warmateba mogitanoT.

lomi

daojaxebuli lomebi ukve didi xania

miCveulebi arian, rom yovelTvis yvelafers

gankargaven, amitom Tu am periodSi

moulodnelad gagiCndebaT remontis,

avejis gadaadgilebis an axali avejis

SeZenis idea, winaaRmdegobas aravin

gagiwevT.

qalwuli

am kviraSi planetebis pozicia Searbilebs

Tqvens siamayes. naklebad savaraudoa,

rom axal adamians eZebT, magram

arsebul TayvanismcemlebTan (an stabilur

urTierTobebSi) yvelaferi bevrad

ukeTesi da harmoniuli gaxdeba.

saswori

planetebis aspeqtebis wyalobiT, didi

Zala da energia geqnebaT, romelsac siamovnebiT

gauziarebT sxvebs. mniSvnelovani

momenti: Tqveni enTuziazmi imdenad

maRali iqneba, rom yvela daavadebisa da

SeuZlod yofnisgan dagicavT.


yovelkvireuli gazeTi gamodis kviraSi

erTxel, samSabaTobiT da vrceldeba

saqarTvelos mTel teritoriaze

yovelkvireuli

gamodis samSabaTobiT fasi 2 lari

pirveli gverdi:

1 sm 2 _ 15 lari, maqsimaluri SekveTa 300 sm 2 ;

meore-mesame gverdebi:

1 sm 2 _ 3 lari;

Sida gverdebi:

1 sm 2 _ 1 lari;

bolos wina gverdi:

1sm 2 _2 lari;

bolo gverdi:

1sm 2 _ 3 lari,

maqsimaluri SekveTa _ mTeli gverdi;

mTliani gverdis saerTo farTobia _

1000 sm 2;

reklama CanarTis saxiT:

A3 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 500 lari;

A4 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 300 lari;

mis.: gudauris 7; 599 19 19 10 (Savlego cixelaSvili)

kviris horoskopi

morieli

nebismieri saxis dapirispireba saqmian

da pirad partniorebTan ver gaiZulebT,

rom ukan daixioT. piriqiT, imdenad damajerebeli

iqnebiT, rom faqtobrivad yvelas

aiZulebT, daeTanxmon Tqvens mosazrebas.

bravo, oratoruli xelovnebis

namdvili ostati xarT!

mSvildosani

am periodis ganmavlobaSi seriozulad

SegaSinebT daufaravi valis perspeqtiva.

SesaZloa bankis aqtiuri TanamSromlebidan

vinmem mogmarTaT. ar inerviuloT,

sesxis gadaxdas SeZlebT da gulmSvidad

gaagrZelebT Cveul saqmianobas.

Txis rqa

varskvlavebi am periodSi kidev ufro

gaxsnil da komunikabelur adamianad

gagxdian. gamoiyeneT es Tqvens sasargeblod

– rac SeiZleba xSirad SexvdiT

Zvel megobrebs Tbil da mSvid atmosferoSi.

merwyuli

planetebis poziciidan gamomdinare

igrZnobT, rom amqveynad yvelafris gakeTeba

SegiZliaT. varskvlavebi gibiZgeben,

rom Semosavlis gazrdis SesaZleblobebi

eZeboT. SesaniSnavi ganlagebaa –

yvelaferi gamogivaT! erTaderTi rCeva:

zustad mihyeviT gaweril gegmas.

Tevzebi

gamoricxuli ar aris, moulodnelad

sevda SemogawveT, rac adamianebis mimarT

imedgacruebiT iqneba gamowveuli. da ai

paradoqsi – swored adamianebi dagexmarebian,

Tavi daaRwioT am situacias. es

adamianebi megobrebi da sayvareli naTesavebi

iqnebian.

1 aSS dolari

3.3308

1 evro

3.9550

1 girvanqa sterlingi

4.3783

100 rusuli rubli

4.3170

amindi

samSabaTi

oTxSabaTi

xuTSabaTi

paraskevi

SabaTi

kvira

orSabaTi

Tbilisi

14-16 0

13-15 0

12-14 0

9-11 0

7-10 0

9-11 0

7-9 0

quTaisi

17-19 0

18-20 0

14-16 0

12-14 0

12-14 0

11-13 0

10-12 0

baTumi

18-20 0

17-19 0

15-17 0

13-16 0

13-15 0

12-14 0

11-13 0

zugdidi

17-19 0

16-18 0

14-16 0

12-14 0

12-14 0

14-16 0

13-15 0

gori

13-15 0

12-14 0

10-12 0

7-9 0

6-8 0

8-10 0

7-9 0

Telavi

15-17 0

16-18 0

14-16 0

11-13 0

8-10 0

6-8 0

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foTi

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15-17 0

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