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skandaluri sqema, romliTac
bavSvmac ki icis, rom 31 oq-
giorgi abaSiZe
tombris arCevnebi gayalbda.
marTalia, „ocneba” ixtibars ar
itexs da Tavs imSvidebs, xmebi aravis mouparavs da calkeuli
xarvezebi, ubralod, adamianuri Secdomebia da meti arafer-
io, magram opozicias gayalbebis utyuari mtkicebulebebi
aqvs. ai, magaliTad, politikuri moZraoba „tribunis” warmo-
madgeneli kote kemularia skandalur gancxadebas akeTebs.
kerZod, kemularias TqmiT, 31 oqtombers, SuaRamisas, ceskos
xelmZRvanel Tamar Jvanias miTiTebiT is specprograma gamoirTo,
romelic saarCevno administraciis serverze daubal-
ansebeli oqmebis atvirTvis saSualebas ar iZleva.
„cesko rom marTavda gayalbe-
bas, amis damadasturebeli bevri
mtkicebuleba dagrovda. pirve-
li is aris, rom 23 saaTis Semdeg
oqmebis atvirTva SeCerda. amas,
Tamaras garda, veravin izamda.
ceskos kompiuterSi daubalansebeli
oqmi ver aitvirTeba _ pro-
grama gamoagdebs, e. i. mosyidva
da daSineba rom ver gamodga sa-
Tanado xmebis Sesagroveblad,
cesko uprecedento danaSaulze
wavida _ gamorTo gayalbebis
sawinaaRmdego programa (Ramis
12 saaTze) da daiwyo oqmebis
gadakeTeba „ocnebis” sasarge-
blod da daubalansebeli oqmeb-
is atvirTva. amas didi gamoZieba
ar sWirdeba. rogorc ki dain-
teresdeba gamoZieba, rogor
aitvirTa daubalansebeli oqmebi,
iqve naTeli gaxdeba, ra Caid-
ines”, _ ambobs kote kemularia
romelic „qronika+~-sTan kidev
erT skandalur gancxadebas ake-
Tebs. kerZod, kemularias TqmiT,
„ocneba” opoziciis mosyidvas
100 milioni dolariT cdilobda,
magram cdunebas yvela opoz-
iciurma subieqtma gauZlo.
gTavazobT skandalur inter-
vius kote kemulariasTan:
_ batono kote, ras ityviT,
qveyanaSi politikuri krizisia?
_ diax, politikuri krizisia.
_ damisabuTeT, ratom?
_ mogexsenebaT, saparlamento
respublikaSi ZiriTadi politikuri
movlena saparlamento arCevnebia,
romliTac saxelmwifos
marTva icvleba. im 9 partiidan,
romelic ceskos monacemebiT parlamentSi
Sevida, rva partia
arCevnebs legitimurad ar cnobs
da protestis ukiduress formas
mimarTavs _ sakanonmdeblo organoSi
ar Sedis. isic ki, visac politologia
pirvel kursze aqvs naswavli,
kategoriulad ityvis,
rom es umZimesi politikuri krizisi
da uprecedento movlenaa.
yovel SemTxvevaSi, piradad me
arc maxsendeba, rom opozicias
arCevnebi aralegitimurad gamoecxadebinos
da parlamentSi ar
Sesuliyos. sxvaTa Soris, am aralegitimurobis
mtkicebulebebic
arsebobs. bolos da bolos, 21-e
saukunea da mtkicebulebebis
mopoveba rTuli araa.
_ sanam mtkicebulebebze ga-
davalT, „ocnebis” pozicias
gagaxsenebT, anu ivaniSvilis gundis
wevrebi Tavs igiJeben, gay-
albeba ar yofilao da iqve dasZ-
enen, kargia, opozicia parlamen-
tSi Tu Semova, magram Tu boi-
kots gaagrZelebs, arc es iqneba
problemao. es ki arada, mdinaraZis
gancxadebiT, biuleteneb-
is gadaTvliT, „ocnebis” xmebi,
Turme, kidev ufro gaizarda...
arda...
_ xelisufleba xilulad da
uxilavad gavyoT.
_ anu?
_ SeSinebuli da gafiTrebuli
mdinaraZeebis gancxadebebze komentars
nu gamakeTebinebT da
ufro zeviT avideT, sadac gadawyvetilebebi
miiReba.
_ ki batono, avideT da iciT,
zeviT ra xdeba?
_ migzavnebi da SeTavazebebia.
sxvaTa Soris, tikaraZis gancxadeba
vnaxe, Cven molaparakebebisa da
SeTanxmebisTvis mzad varTo.
daakvirdiT, amas mTavrobis wevri
ambobs. ramdenime dRis win „magari
biWis”, kobaxiZis gancxadebac
gavixsenoT.
_ kobaxiZe gancxadebas gancx-
adebaze akeTebs da Tqven romel
gancxadebas ixsenebT, kote ba-
tono?
_ erTpartiuli parlamenti ar
ivargebs, kargi ar iqneba da imedi
maqvs, movilaparakebT da
opozicia Semovao.
_ yvelafer amiT saubari
saiTken migyavT?
_ erT arcTu kuluarul da
gadamowmebul informacias gagiziarebT
_ xalxs ugzavnian da sakmaod
solidur Tanxebsac sTavazoben.
nel-nela es imedi uqrebaT
da is Rimili SeacivdaT, romelic
Tavidan hqondaT, _ ras laparakobT,
kaco, Cven cal-calke an
jguf-jgufad viyidiTo. yoCaR,
opozicias da yoCaR, sazogadoebas!
_ batono kote, daakonkreteT,
Suamavali vin iyo an „ocnebam”
romel opozicioners miugzavna?
_ TiTqmis yvelas!
_ „ocnebis” mstovrebi „tri-
bunaSic” movidnen?
_ piradad CemTan aravin mosula,
magram Tbilisi patara qalaqia,
yvela yvelas vicnobT da darwmunebuli
var, yvelgan iqneboda,
_ aba, kaco, ras SvrebiT da
icodeT, aq varTo... magram yvelaferi
es erTianma opoziciam
aisxlita, riTac Zalian kmayofili
var! e. i., Cven axali Taobis
politikosebi gagvezardnen,
romelTac gamarjvebis fasic
ician, Tavisuflebisac da imisic,
rom gamarjveba ar iyideba!
_ socialur qselSi gavr-
celebuli xmiT „ocnebasa” da
opozicias Soris Suamavalis misias
kote kublaSvili asruleb-
da. amis Sesaxeb Tqvenc gsmeniaT?
kote kemularia:
`parlamentSi
Sesvlis sanacvlod
`ocneba~ opozicias
astronomiul
Tanxas _ 100
milion dolars
sTavazobda!~
_ gvar-saxelebs ver davasaxeleb,
magram vici, rom aseTi erTi
ki ara, ramdenimea da isic vici,
rom „ocnebas” imedi nel-nela
ukvdeba, arada, Tavidan sakmaod
maJorul ganwyobaze iyo. sxvaTa
Soris, sajarodac iTqva, rom
SeTanxmeba SesaZloa, dasavleTis
monawileobiT Semdgariyo, magram
es mosazrebac kvdeba. dasavleTi
ver dauSvebs precedents, rom
arCevnebis „oficialuri Sedegebi”
gadakeTdes. ise, imaze, es cesko
rac aris, albaT, calke unda
visaubroT.
_ araa problema, visaubroT,
magram jer es Tema amovwuroT _
„ocneba” opozicias, parlamentSi
Sesvlis sanacvlod, fuls sTavazobda
Tu, ubralod, procente-
bis awevaze evaWreboda?
_ TanxebiT procentebis gadanawilebas.
_ es ras niSnavs?
_ Cven daviklebT da Tqven
mogimatebTo.
_ anu opozicias, parlamentSi
Sesvlis sanacvlod, Tanxas
sTavazobdnen?
_ diax, astronomiuli Tanxa
iyo dasaxelebuli _ 100 milioni
dolari!
_ am 100 milions romelime konkretul
subieqts sTavazobd-
nen?
_ ara, es saerTo Tanxa iyo,
razedac opoziciam, sabednierod,
uari Tqva!
_ sxvaTa Soris, batono kote,
cekoSi xmebis gayalbebaze skand-
aluri gancxadeba gaakeTeT, anu
is sqema gaSifreT, romliTac ar-
Cevnebi mogvpares. am sqemis Sesa-
xeb saidan da rogor SeityveT?
_ is, rac vTqvi, ceskos yofilma
Tavmjdomareebmac daadas-
`tragedia isaa, rom es daubalansebeli oqmebi
ceskos saitze aitvirTa, anu zemoxsenebuli
programa viRacam gamorTo. amitomac vTqvi,
Zalian advilia, gamoZieba daiwyos da
gairkves, es programa Tamarma gamorTo,
giorgim Tu vinme sxvam?~
tures... rogorc vici, jer kidev
2010 wlidan ceskoSi antigayalbebis
programa arsebobs, romelic,
Tavis droze, frangebma daamuSaves.
_ „antigayalbebis programa”
ras niSnavs?
_ daubalansebel oqmebs sistema
ar tvirTavs da, praqtikulad,
ukan abrunebs. ceskos yofilma
Tavmjdomarem erT-erTi satelevizio
gamosvlisas ganacxada, rom
am programis danergvidan ori
wlis Semdeg, anu 2012 wels, ceskos
erTi daubalansebeli oqmic
ki ar daufiqsirebia. axla ki
gveubnebian, rom 90 oqmidan lamis
88 daubalansebelia.
erTi sityviT, tragedia isaa,
rom es daubalansebeli oqmebi
ceskos saitze aitvirTa, anu
zemoxsenebuli programa viRacam
gamorTo. amitomac vTqvi, Zalian
advilia, gamoZieba daiwyos da
gairkves, es programa Tamarma
gamorTo, giorgim Tu vinme sxvam?
_ Tqveni informaciiT, am programis
gamorTva vis xelewifebo-
da?
_ Tamaras gankargulebis gareSe
veravin gamorTavda, Tumca
rogorc meubnebian, Tamaras garda
iq sus-is ramdenime TanamSromelia.
aseve „odereebic” sxedan.
asea Tu ise, pasuxi Tamaras
unda moeTxovos, Tundac samsaxurebriv
gulgrilobaze _ programa
giorgis an murads rom
gamoerTo, Tamaram erTi ambavi
ratom ar atexa da yvelafris
„gapraveba” ratom daiwyo?
sxvaTa Soris, cesko ubnebis
gadaTvlas Seudga, magram gana,
SeiZleba, mgelma, romelmac cxvari
SeWama, mas inventarizacia
davavaloT? mgeli ityvis, yvela
cxvari adgilzeao. hoda, axla,
rogor ggoniaT, xmebs ganmeorebiT
Tamara iTvlis? ki ar iTvlis,
getyviT, rac xdeba.
_ ra xdeba?
_ ai, magaliTad, CuRureTis
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