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komendantis saaTi gauCaliCa~

vaT da Rame, komendantis saaTis

dros, protestis gamosaxatavad

gamovida 2000 adamiani, maT ra

resursiT gaswvdeba sapatrulo

policia? fizikurad manqanebi ar

hyavT, rom protestis gamosaxatavad

gamosul adamianebs sdion.

_ devnisTvis sxva uwyebebis

manqanebs gamoiyeneben.

_ gamoricxulia. devnis ganxorcieleba

mxolod 80-mde sapatrulo

ekipaJs SeuZlia. upiratesoba

aris Cvens mxares. am

viTarebaSi komendantis saaTis

SemoReba aris gaumarTlebeli.

amaT SemoiRes da amitomac arian

sulelebi. ar vici, ra undaT,

magram upiratesoba aSkarad Cvens

mxaresaa. amitom giTxariT zeviT,

rom biZinas uCaliCeben-meTqi. mis

adgilze imas movTxovdi pasuxs,

vinc ambobda, rom 22-dan dilis

5 saaTamde komendantis saaTi

unda dawesdes.

_ drois am monakveTSi gada-

adgilebis SezRudvas ra azri

aqvs? korona drois am monakveT-

Si daSliginebs da sxva dros

isvenebs?

_ koronis gavrcelebis

SezRudvis sababiT komendantis

saaTis gamarTleba kidev ufro

sasaciloa. vin daadgina, rom korona

Rame vrceldeba da dRe

saSiSi ar aris? es SezRudvebi

pirdapir kavSirSia gayalbebul

arCevnebTan. Rame xalxi isedac

ar dadis quCaSi da SezRudvebis

daweseba sisulelea.

_ imisTvis, rom xalxi gareT

ar gamovides, komendantis saa-

Tis daweseba sulac araa saWiro.

komendantis saaTis gareSec

aRar gamodis xalxi gareT da es

kriminalis damsaxurebaa.

_ „qarTulma ocnebam” kriminali

SesaniSnav mgomareobaSi Caayena.

amis gamo RamiT gareT gamosvla

ukve Zalian saSiSi gaxda.

komendantis saaTis daweseba

saWiro marTla ar iyo.

_ kriminalebze gadavediT da

arCevnebze aseTi mentalobis

adamianebi mravlad vixileT

saarCevno ubnebTan.

_ 2012 wlamde Zveli biWebi da

kriminalebi saarCevno ubnebTan

aravis unaxavs. es aris „qarTuli

ocnebis” nouhau. aqamde maTi daxmarebiT

kidev axerxebdnen raRacas.

axla isinic veRar uSvelian.

Zalian mZimed aqvT ivaniSvilsa da

mis partias saqme. SegviZlia vTqvaT,

rom „qarTuli ocneba” xelisuflebaSi

yofnis bolo

dReebs iTvlis.

_ „ocnebis” saqme kargad ar

midis, magram arc iseTi situaciaa,

rom xelisuflebaSi yof-

nis bolo dReebs iTvlidnen.

_ marTla bolo dReebs iTvlian.

komendantis saaTi „ocnebis”

politikur aRsasruls kidev

ufro daaCqarebs.

_ aSkarad optimisturad

xarT ganwyobili. igive ganwyobaa

sxva opozicionerebSic. cota

zedmet optimizmTan xom ar gvaqvs

saqme? opozicias isic gegonaT,

rom ivaniSvili amxela mas-

Stabis gayalbebas ver gabedav-

da, rac 31 oqtombers Caidina.

`2012 wlamde Zveli biWebi da kriminalebi saarCevno ubnebTan aravis unaxavs.

es aris `qarTuli ocnebis~ nouhau. aqamde maTi daxmarebiT kidev

axerxebdnen raRacas. axla isinic veRar uSvelian. Zalian mZimed aqvT

ivaniSvilsa da mis partias saqme. SegviZlia vTqvaT, rom `qarTuli ocneba~

xelisuflebaSi yofnis bolo dReebs iTvlis~

_ sxva gamosavali ar gvaqvs,

optimisturad unda viyoT ganwyobili.

aseT ganwyobaze xelisuflebis

wyalobiT varT. xelisufleba

rom ara, opozicia ase

optimisturad ar iqneboda ganwyobili.

_ ras gulisxmobT, iqneb,

ufro gasagebad gviTxraT?

_ ise gaayalba „ocnebam” arCevnebi,

iseTi Sedegi daiwera, rom

opozicias ukan dasaxevi gza,

ubralod, aRar dagvitova. ukan

dasaxevi gza sazogadoebasac mouWres.

roca adamianebs ukan dasaxev

gzas uspob, isini iZulebuli

arian, mxolod win iaron.

Cvens SemTxvevaSic asea _ ukan

dasaxevi gza ar aris, unda viaroT

mxolod win.

_ da es gaZlevT optimizmis

safuZvels?

_ diax, es maZlevs optimizmis

safuZvels. optimizmis safuZvels

yvelaze metad xalxis ganwyoba

maZlevs. garda imisa, rom

xalxi am gayalbebiT aRSfoTebu-

N28 (330) 10.11-16.11.2020 w.

lia, maT ubralod aRar undaT

„qarTuli ocneba” xelisufleba-

Si. maT xelSi qveyanas ganviTareba

ar uweria. sazogadoeba acnobierebs,

rom cvlilebebis droa.

es cvlilebebi male iqneba. saprotesto

ganwyoba ase ar Caivlis.

_ xelisuflebac ar zis

gulxeldakrefili. saprotesto

gamosvlebis dros SeiZleba,

daWerebis seria daiwyos.

_ daWerebis aravis eSinia. ivaniSvili

veravis veRar daaSinebs.

cvlilebebi aucileblad iqneba.

_ cvlilebebamde mravali

saqme aRiZvreba. irakli kobaxZem

susSi raRac mtkicebulebebi

miitana, saidanac, misi TqmiT,

Cans, rom opozicia cudi raRa-

cis mowyobas apirebda.

_ es Tema ukve sasacilo gaxda.

meramdened unda aRiZras

saqme gadatrialebis muxliT?

2012 wlis Semdeg meocnebeebi yvela

arCevnebis win gadatrialebaze

iwyeben saubars. ramdenime

wlis winaT maT mtkicebulebebic

`31 oqtombers aq arnaxulad gayalbda

arCevnebi. aman xalxSi didi protesti

gamoiwvia. xalxi quCaSia gamosuli da aseT

dros acxadeb komendantis saaTs, es cota

gaugebaria. sul tyuilad aqvs `qarTul

ocnebasa~ da ivaniSvils imis imedi, rom quCaSi

gamosuli xalxi komendantis saaTis

dadgomisTanave Tavs daadebs da saxlebSi wava~

warmoadgines.

_ ra mtkicebulebebi?

_ meoradi saburavebi. TiTqos

„nacionalebi” maTi daxmarebiT

apirebdnen aq areulobis mowyobas.

_ es saburavebi leqso Wikai-

Zis Ss ministrobis dros „aRmoa-

Cines”.

_ ki batono, maSin aRmoaCines.

maSin xalxs es sasacilodac ar

eyo. sazogadoebas arc axla sjera,

rom opozicia gadatrialebas

awyobs. sazogadoeba Tavad aris

xelisuflebis Secvlis msurveli.

ai, es maZlevs optimizmis

safuZvels. imaSic darwmunebuli

var, rom Zalian bevri adamiani

ivlis protestis gamosaxatavad.

_ isev kobaxiZis „samxilebs”

davubrundebi. Cven ki gvecine-

ba, magram darwmunebuli xarT,

rom am samxilebis safuZvelze

susi gadatrialebis braldebiT

romelime opozicioners ar

daakavebs? Tundac igive SaSkins

an devi WankotaZes? kobaxiZem

maT winaaRmdeg raRac mtkice-

bulebebi miitana.

_ kobaxiZis mtkicebulebebiT

vin unda daakavon? arc SaSkinisa

da arc WankotaZis dasakaveblad

xelisuflebas samarTlebrivi

safuZveli ar gaaCnia. ukanono

dakavebebs Tu daiwyeben, egre

yvelas dakaveba SeuZliaT. me, magaliTac,

sxvisi TefSidan Wamis

braldebiT damakaves. „qarTuli

ocneba” dRes krizisSia da ar

gamovricxav, rom Tavis gadasar-

Cenad dakavebebis seria daiwyon,

magram verc amiT gadairCnen

Tavs. am qveyanaSi 3 milionze meti

adamiani cxovrobs, umetesobas es

xelisufleba ar moswons da yvelas

dagviWeren? sad waiyvanen

amden patimars? daWerebze Tu

gadavlen, es saprotesto muxts

kidev ufro gaaZlierebs. sazogadoebas

„qarTuli ocnebis” aRar

sjera. arc SeTiTxnil braldebebsa

da sagangebod gamoyril

Canawerebs aRiqvams vinme seriozulad.

_ sazogadoebas xelisuflebis

mier warmodgenili Canawere-

bi ase araseriozulad arasdros

ar aRuqvams, rac, albaT, erTg-

vari diagnozia.

_ es diagnozia imisa, rom „ocnebis”

meTodebi aRar Wris. sazogadoebas

aRar unda am sibinZureebis

mosmena. dRes audioCanawerebi

gamoaqveynes, araa gamoricxuli,

xval piradi cxovrebis

amsaxveli kadrebi gamoyaron. sazogadoebas

amazedac ar eqneba

reaqcia. finjan yavaze ras saubroben

politikosebi, amaze skandalis

ageba Zalian sasaciloa.

_ rogorc gairkva, susi op-

oziciis garda „qarTuli ocneb-

is” wevrebsac usmens. es raze me-

tyvelebs?

_ es imaze metyvelebs, rom

ivaniSvilis partia ukve demoralizebulia.

TavianT xalxsac ki

aRar endobian. warmomidgenia, ra

dReSi Cavardebian „ocnebis” is

wevrebi, romlebmac gaiges, rom

maT farulad usmenen. es ambavi

naklebad madardebs. ramdenic

undaT, imdeni misminon da

miTvalTvalon, magram, aba, daurekeT

„ocnebis” im warmomadgenlebs,

romelTac usmenen. komentarsac

ki ver gaakeTeben.

_ ramdenime mediasaSualebam

scada maTTan dakavSireba, magram

momsaxurebis zonidan ari-

an gasulebi.

_ es kidev erTi maniSnebelia,

rom demoralizebulebi arian.

maT fonze opozicia Zalian laRi

da Tavisufalia. aSkaraa, rom

fsiqologiuri upiratesoba

Cvens mxaresaa. es asec unda iyos,

radganac Cven vibrZviT simarTlisTvis,

isini ki ukanono gzebiT

cdiloben Zalauflebis SenarCunebas.

_ ise, ar gegonaT, rom xe-

lisufleba mogismendaT?

_ simarTle giTxraT, amaze

arc ki mifiqria. romc mefiqra,

mainc igives vilaparakebdi, rasac

vlaparakob. rac undaT, is Caiweron,

me ukanonobas ar vakeTeb.

da rac mTavaria, xalxs amis ar

sjera. erTma internetgamocemam

dado Tavis gverdze es Canaweri

da unda naxoT, ra komentarebia

_ xalxs saerTod ar ainteresebs,

vin ras ityvis. xalxi cvlilebebs

elis. raRacas elodebian

trolebi da botebi.

_ ras elodebian? raRac

saeWvod arian trol-botebi

gasusulebi.

_ isinic fiqroben, rom cvlilebebis

droa. trolebic Cveulebrivi

adamianebi arian da ician,

rom maTi avi saqmeebis Sesaxeb

yvelafers gavigebT. yvelam movismineT

ori mTavari trolis

saubari. laSa nacvliSvili da Salva

ramiSvili Riad amboben, imdeni

ukanonoba gvaqvs Cadenili da

amis gamo jer ar davsjilvarTo.

_ ar gifiqriaT, rom maT Sg-

nebulad gamoagdes es nawyveti?

_ ara. saubris es nawili unda

amoeWraT. eTerSi ar gavida, magram

gasajarovda. TanamSromlebic

ver itanen am Salva ramiSvilsa

da nacvliSvils, romlebic

SiSoben, rom TavianT namoqmedarze

moet...aT deda. hoda, magaTive

terminologiiT rom vTqva: most...iaT

patroni.

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