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gamodis samSabaTobiT N3 3 (305) 4.02

02.20

.2020

fasi 2 lari

gv. 4

ras ar axmaureben da

rasac versad waikiTxavT

koronavirusze

levan xabeiSvili:

`Cemze

Tavdasxma

kalaZem

daukveTa~

gv. 24

gv. 10

Tamar CxeiZe:

`qarTulma

ocnebam~

aiSva~

gv. 18

jelal qiqava:

`xalxis

Sekaveba

sul

ufro

gviWirs~

gv. 24

levan alafiSvili: `qarTuli ocneba~ vadamdeli

saparlamento arCevnebis scenars ganixilavs~ gv. 14

mixeil ramiSvili:

`rac vTqvi,

bolomde

Sevasruleb!~

N3 (305) 4.02-10.02.2020 w.

`qarTuli ocnebis~

gasaidumloebuli

kvleva

gv. 2

`qarTuli ocneba~ _

biZina ivaniSvili _ 24,97%;

`lelo~ _ mamuka

xazaraZe _ 9.94%;

manana jebaSvili:

`biZinam icis,

rom miSa mas

daamarcxebs!~

gv. 22 gv. 20

gv. 12

èrTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~

_ mixeil saakaSvili _ 19,25%;

èvropuli saqarTvelo~

_ daviT baqraZe _ 8,03%

levan samuSia:

`Cven yvelam

viciT, rom es

Sesacvlelia!~

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`qarTuli ocnebis~

„qarTuli ocneba” umZimes kriz-

eliso kilaZe

isSia _ qveynis gareT da SigniT xe-

599 17 12 12

lisufleba yoveldRiur skan-

dalebSia gaxveuli. dRe ar gava,

amerikidan axali werili ar movides. marTalia, „ocnebis”

liderSipi sakuTar momxreebs amSvidebs, problema mxolod

ramdenime kongresmeni da senatoriao, magram, saboloo jam-

Si, yvela xvdeba, rom saqme arc ise kargadaa.

„ocnebis” reitings verc Salva

ramiSvilis televizia Svelis,

verc laSa nacvliSvilis rCevebi

da verc trolebis fabrika, romelic

ise gaTiTokacda, rom socialur

qselSi sazogadoebriv

azrze, faqtobrivad, gavlenas

ver axdens.

mas Semdeg, rac socialurma

qselma „feisbuqma” saqarTvelos

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rom ramdenime reportis Semdeg

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ocnebis” liders modelire-

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`qarTuli ocneba~ _

biZina ivaniSvili _

24,97%;

èrTiani nacionaluri

moZraoba~ _ mixeil

saakaSvili 19,25%;

`lelo~ _

mamuka xazaraZe

_ 9.94%;

èvropuli

saqarTvelo~ _ daviT

baqraZe _ 8,03%

bul realobaSi ramdenime weli

acxovrebdnen, saprezidento ar-

Cevnebis dros cxadze cxadi gaxda,

rom sazogadoebrivi kvlevis

Sedegebi, romelsac mas awvdidnen,

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radgan mas arwmuneben, rom am or

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Sedegebzec aisaxeba. ivaniSvili

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apirebda TeTr saxlSi, magram mas

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Cveni wyaro ambobs, rom sazogadoebrivi

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kvleva biZina ivaniSvilma sazogadoebrivi

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wyaro ver akonkretebs, ra Tanxa

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ar Rirs.

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ianvars mTeli qveynis masStabiT.

ra monacemebi

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„axali saqarTvelo” _ giorgi

vaSaZe _ 3,09%;

„girCi” _ zura jafariZe _

2,03%;

„demokratiuli moZraoba _

nino burjanaZe” _ 3,56%;

„evropuli saqarTvelo” _ daviT

baqraZe _ 8,03%;

„erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba”

_ mixeil saakaSvili _ 19,25%;

„erovnul-demokratiuli partia”

_ baCuki qardava _ 0.53%;

„kanoni da samarTali” _ Tako

Carkviani _ 0,56%;

„leiboristuli partia” _

Salva naTelaSvili _ 4,91%;

„lelo” _ mamuka xazaraZe _

9.94%;

„patriotTa aliansi” _ irma inaSvili

_ 4,47%;

„respublikuri partia” _ daviT

berZeniSvili _ 2,09%;

„samarTliani saqarTvelo” _

eka beselia _ 0,85;

„qarTuli ocneba” _ biZina

ivaniSvili _ 24,97;

sxva arcerTi _ 15,71%.

rogor warmogidgeniaT biZina

ivaniSvilis politikuri mo-

mavali?

dabrundes premierad (igive

gundiT) _ 5,91%;

dabrundes premierad (axali

gundiT) _ 11,25%;

gaxdes prezidenti _ 17,84%;

wavides opoziciaSi _ 32,85%;

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gasaidumloebuli kvleva

Camoscildes politikas _

12,24%.

rogor warmogidgeniaT partia

„qarTuli ocnebis” poli-

tikuri momavali?

darCeba xelisuflebaSi da

marto Camoayalibebs mTavrobas _

0,59;

darCeba xelisuflebaSi da Seqmnis

koaliciur mTavrobas _

13,74%;

gadainacvlebs opoziciaSi da

kvlav gaZlierdeba _ 15,29%;

daiSleba calkeuli jgufebis

gamoyofiT _ 34,47%;

daiSleba da aRar iarsebebs _

34,41%.

romeli ganlagebiT SeZlebs

opozicia arCevnebSi gamarjve-

bas?

erTpartiuli (biZina Tu miSa?)

_ 10,88%;

mravalpartiuli cal-calke _

5,79%;

mravalpartiuli blokebiT _

18,12%;

nawilobrivi gaerTianebiT

SeTanxmebiT an daTqmiT _ 37,28%;

sruli gaerTianeba _ 27,34%.

romeli saarCevno sistema

iqneboda misaRebi?

paraleluri

(amomrCeveli cal-calke aZlevs

xmas erT konkretul partias)

_ 18,21%;

srulad maJoritaruli

(amomrCeveli aZlevs xmas mxolod

erT konkretul kandidats)

_ 7,06;

srulad proporciuli

(amomrCeveli aZlevs xmas mxolod

erT konkretul partias)

_ 22,58%;

personificirebuli proporciuli

(amomrCeveli aZlevs xmas erT

an ramdenime konkretul kandidats

erTi an ramdenime partiis

sasargeblod) _ 32,44%;

regionuli proporciuli

(amomrCeveli aZlevs xmas

konkretul partias regionSi) _

19,62%.

es cifrebis mxolod is nawilia,

romelic „qronika+~-s konfidencialurma

wyarom miawoda. am

cifrebidanac mkafiod Cans, rom

„qarTuli ocneba” saparlamento

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da sakonstitucio umravlesobas

veRar aiRebs. arCevnebis samarTlianad

Catarebis SemTxveva-

Si qveyanas koaliciuri mTavroba

eyoleba, arCevnebis gayalbebis

SemTxvevaSi ki opozicia quCis

aqciebiT da revoluciiT imuqreba.

rogorc Cans, ivaniSvils samomavlo

strategiis seriozuli

gadaxedva mouwevs.

aqtiurad vrceldeba xmebi

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premier-ministris posts tovebs

da martSi qveyanas axali premieri

eyoleba. ra gundiT wardgeba

biZina ivaniSvili 2020-is saparlamento

arCevnebze, es, savaraudod,

aseve martSi gaxdeba cnobili.

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Tamar rostiaSvili

jandacvis msoflio organizacia

axali tipis virusis Semote-

577 10 07 06

visTvis emzadeba. ukve gamoCnda,

rom evropis regionis dacva ver moxerxdeba da am mxriv, mar-

ti saCvenebeli iqneba. an miviRebT globalur epidemias, rasac

varaudoben kidec eqspertebi, anda pasiuri dinamikuroba SenarCundeba.

es ukanaskneli ki epidemiebs ar axasiaTebs _ er-

TaderTi _ vaqcinis gamogonebis SemTxvevaSi.

koronavirusis sawinaaRmdego

vaqcinasa da mis arsebobaararsebobaze

calke visaubrebT,

axla ki, _ ra unda vicodeT

axali Stamis Sesaxeb?

dafiqsirebulia Tu ara saqarTveloSi

koronavirusiT dasnebovnebis

faqtebi? _ amaze

xelisufleba dums. visTvis, konkretulad

ra kontingentisTvis

aris koronavirusi gansakuTrebiT

saxifaTo? _ jerjerobiT

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Tavis mkiTxvels _ iseTi, romelsac

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versad waikiTxavT.

magaliTad, is, rom saxeze

afarebuli niRbebi koronavirusisgan

ar gicavT; rom yvelaze

efeqtiani saSualeba aris

uaris Tqma loyaze kocnisgan

da xelis CamorTmevisgan.

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Sedegi SeiZleba iyos filtvebis

fibrozi. filtvebis fibrozis

dros warmoiSoba SemaerTebeli

qsovilebis nawiburebi,

romelic xels uSlis sasun-

Tqi organoebis normalur funqcionirebas.

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ganikurnen, garTulebebi

ar axasiaTebT. magram vinc

virusi rTul formebSi gadaitana,

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davZenT, rom filtvebis

unari, aRidginos sakuTari Tavi,

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SiSia.

rig pacientebs, romlebmac

koronavirusi gadaitanes da

ganikurnen, ewyebaT depresia _

am dros aucilebelia fsiqologis

konsultacia.

iseve rogorc wina virusebi,

axali virusic aRmoaCines Cine-

Tis qalaq uxanSi (xubeis provincia)

2019 wlis dekemberSi.

CineTSi dasnebovnebulTa saer-

To ricxvma 9731 adamians miaRwia,

aqedan 213 daiRupa, 117

gamojanmrTelda.

dResdReobiT koronavirusiT

dasnebovnebis faqtebi gamovlinda

did britaneTSi, indoeTSi,

italiaSi, avstraliaSi,

filipinebze, malaiziaSi, safrangeTSi,

germaniaSi, fineTSi, kambojaSi,

nepaliSi, Sri-lankaSi,

singapurSi, saudis arabeTSi,

samxreT koreaSi, tailandSi, iaponiasa

da aSS-Si. 2019 wlis 31

dekembris monacemebiT, saerTo

jamSi, daavadebulTa ricxvma

miaRwia 10 000-mde adamians.

axla ki yvelaze mTavari da

yvelasTvis wasakiTxi: rogor

unda moviqceT, rom ar davin-

ficirdeT?

aRniSnuli virusis SemTxvevaSi

aucilebelia sufTa xelebis

SenarCuneba. amisTvis xSirad

unda daibanoT xelebi an

gamoiyenoT madezinficirebeli

saSualebebi, romelTac sistematurad

Tan atarebT. daubaneli

xelebiT araviTar SemTxvevaSi

ar SeexoT pirsa da Tvalebs.

aseve xalxmraval adgilebSi

ecadeT, maqsimalurad SezRudoT

xelebiT Sexeba zedapirze,

magaliTad, sazogadoebriv

transportSi. regularulad

gawmindeT kompiuteris

klaviatura da yvela is zedapiri,

romelTanac Sexeba giwevT.

umjobesi iqneba, Tu saqarTveloSi

virusis Semosvlis SemTxvevaSi

moeridebiT xelis CamorTmevasa

da gadakocnas, yvelaze

axlobeli adamianebisac

ki. aseve im SefuTvebSi xelis

Cayofas, romelsac sxvebic moixmaren:

magaliTad, orcxobilis

an tkbileulis yuTebSi.

aSS-is daavadebaTa kontrolisa

da profilaqtikis centri

(CDC) Zalian did yuradRebas

aqcevs detalebs: xelebi unda

daibanoT aranakleb 20 wamis ganmavlobaSi

da gamoiyenoT antiseptiki,

aranakleb 60%-iani

spirtis SemcvelobiT.

unda vataroT Tu ara niRbebi?

_ ara! rogorc amerikeli

specialstebi gvirCeven, Tu CineTSi

ar vimyofebiT, niRbebis

tarebis aucilebloba ar aris.

niRabi, principSi, dasaSvebia,

Tu imyofebiT xalxmraval adgilebSi,

transportSi da a. S.

Ria haerze misi tareba dauSvebelia

_ filtvebma sufTa Jangbadi

unda isunTqos.

bolo dReebSi bevrs werdnen

koronavirusis simptomebis

Sesaxeb _ yvelaze mets, SeiZleba

iTqvas. Tumca arsad xsenebula

is, rasac axla davwerT. ki

batono, simptomebi, xSir SemTxvevaSi,

Cveulebrivi gaciebisa

da gripis simptomebs waagavs:

daRlilobis SegrZneba, sunTqvis

garTuleba, maRali temperatura,

xveleba da tkivili yelis

areSi. uSualod virusisTvis

dakavSirebuli simptomebis gamovlenamde

SesaZloa, 14 dRe gavides.

jandacvis msoflio organizaciis

monacemebiT, dasnebovnebul

adamianebs SeuZliaT,

sxvebs gadasdon virusi 2-

dan 10 dRemde.

virusi gadadis xvelebisa da

daceminebis dros. dasnebovnebis

kidev erTi riski gaxlavT,

yvela Cvenganis mTavari

kiTxva, _ SesaZlebelia Tu ara

gamojanmrTeleba?

koronavirusis simptomebi

advili SesaZlebelia, rom gamovlindes

iol formebSi da adamiani

gamojanmrTelebas iwyebs

ukve erTi kviris Tavze. ar dagvaviwydes:

miuxedavad imisa,

rom koronavirusiT daavadebulebi

msoflios bevr qveyanaras

ar axmaureben da rasac versad

waikiTxavT koronavirusze

rogorc zemoT aRvniSeneT _

dabinZurebuli zedapirebi.

CDC xazs usvams koronavirusis

msgavsebas 2003 wels

mocirkulare SARS-Tan (mwvave

respiratoruli virusi) da

2012 wels gavrcelebul MERS-

Tan (axloaRmosavluri respiratoruli

sindromi). orive SemTxvevaSi

organizmidan gamoyofili

siTxis wveTebi daavadebis

gadadebisa da gavrcelebis

wyaro iyo. asevea koronavirusis

SemTxvevaSi.

`koronavirusis saawinaaRmdego vaqcina ar

arsebobs, Tumca sxvadasxva qveynis mecnierebi

mis Seqmnaze muSaoben. Seqmnis vada ramdenime

Tvidan ramdenime weliwadia. rogorc wesi,

umetes SemTxvevaSi, vaqcinis Seqmnas sWirdeba 1-

dan 3 wlamde, Tumca germaneli mecnierebi

vaqcinis miRebas ramdenime TveSi varaudoben~

Si arian, sasikvdilo SemTxvevebi

mxolod CineTSia dafiqsirebuli.

ZiriTadi safrTxis qveS arian

xanSi Sesuli adamianebi da

qronikuli daavadebebis mqoneni.

kerZod, isini, romelTac awuxebT

diabeti da onkologiuri

daavadebebi, anu susti imuniteti

aqvT.

koronavirusis saawinaaRmdego

vaqcina ar arsebobs, Tumca

sxvadasxva qveynis mecnierebi

mis Seqmnaze muSaoben. Seqmnis

vada ramdenime Tvidan ramdenime

weliwadia. rogorc wesi,

umetes SemTxvevaSi, vaqcinis

Seqmnas sWirdeba 1-dan 3 wlamde,

Tumca germaneli mecnierebi

vaqcinis miRebas ramdenime

TveSi varaudoben. Tavis mxriv,

safrangeTis pasteris institutis

direqtorma ganacxada, rom

koronavirusis vaqcina bazarze

20 Tvis Semdeg gamoCndeba.

epidemiologebs yvelaze metad

risic eSiniaT aris is, rom

virusi SeiZleba adamianidan

adamianze gadavides sainkubacio

periodSic, rodesac daavadebis

niSnebi jer kidev ar

aris gamovlenili. iaponiis epidemiologiis

mama _ micuo kaku,

Tavis angariSSi acxadebs,

rom atipuri pnevmoniisgan gansxvavebiT,

safrTxis matareblebi

arian isinic, romlebmac

koronavirusi ukve gadaitanes,

Tanac iol formebSi. aseve gancxadeba

gakeTda imis Sesaxeb,

rom dResdReobiT arsebobs 30-

mde preparati, romelic am tipis

virusebs warmatebiT ebrZvis.

miuxedavad zemoT aRniSnuli

SedarebiT keTilsaimedo prognozebisa,

marti msofliosTvis

SeiZleba sabediswero Tve aRmoCndes.

saqme is gaxlavT, rom

Tu Cinuri koronavirusiT dasnebovnebis

tempebi ase gagrZelda,

rogorc dRes fiqsirdeba,

maSin martSi SeiZleba globalur

epidemias SeveCexoT.

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pasuxobda GMP-s (Good Manufacturing

Practices) standartebs da mwarmoebeli

kompania ver iRebda pasuxismgeblobas

produqtis xarisxze.

aqedan gamomdinare, kompaniam nebayoflobiT

miiRo gadawyvetileba,

2015 wlis aprilis Semdgom warmoebuli

RO111, RO112, RO113 da

RO115 seriis vaqcinis qselidan

amoRebis Sesaxeb (mocemuli seriis

vaqcina saqarTvelos bazarze

Semovida 2015 wlis agvistosa da

oqtomris TveebSi, sul 86 000 doza).

aRniSnulis Taobaze centrs

ecnoba 2016 wlis 11 Tebervals da

daiwyo gadaudebeli aucileblobis

motiviT gamartivebuli Sesyidvis

gziT alternatiuli vaqcinis

Sesyidvis procedurebi. amis

Semdeg franguli kompania „sanofi

pasteris” saqarTvelos warmomadgenelobasTan

gaformda xelSekruleba

40 000 dozis „verorabis”

Sesyidvis Taobaze, romelic srulad

iqna miwodebuli. imis gamo,

rom qveyana ar darCeniliyo vaqcinis

gareSe, centrma miiRo gadawyvetileba,

_ axali vaqcinis xarjze

qveyanaSi sasicocxlod aucilebeli

vaqcinis sakmarisi, stabi-

luri maragis Seqmnamde gaxarjuliyo

zemoxsenebuli seriebis

„lisavaki” da amis Semdgom momxdariyo

misi gauxarjavi dozebis dabruneba

mwarmoebeli kompaniisTvis.

uflebamosili pirebis ganmartebiT,

mocemuli gadawyvetileba efuZneboda

im faqts, rom janmrTelobis

msoflio organizacias ar

moumarTavs vaqcinis savaldebulo

amoRebis meqanizmis gamoyenebis

Taobaze da agreTve „lisavakis”

mixedviT, 2015 wels ganxorcielebul

samedicino intervenciebis

Sedegebs, romelTa Sesabamisad

arc erTi, adamianis janmrTelobisTvis

saziano gverdiTi efeqti ar

dafiqsirebula. aRniSnuli gadawyvetilebis

Sesabamisad, alternatiuli

vaqcinis Sesyidvis Semdgom

gaixarja 17 388 doza zemoxsenebuli

seriebis vaqcina „lisavaki”,

xolo 7 420 gauxarjavi doza

daubrunda mwarmoebel kompanias.

kontrolis sisuste qveyanaSi

antirabiuli vaqcinis startegiuli

maragebis raodenobis gansazRvrisa

da swori ganawilebis mizniT,

centrSi yovelTviurad warmoadgens

rogorc sakuTar, ise samedicino

dawesebulebebis mier Sesrulebuli

samuSaos angariSgebas.

dResdReobiT epidzedaxmedvelobis

programiT gaTvaliswinebul

aqtivobebs centrTan gaformebuli

kontraqtebis safuZvelze

axorcielebs 3 regionuli da 60

raionuli municipaluri sazogadoebrivi

janmrTelobis dacvis

municipaluri centri. cnobisT-

vis: finansuri mdgomareobis Sesaxeb

angariSSi ar aris asaxuli Sromis

saerTaSoriso organizaciis

(ILO) 2015 wlis sawevro gadasaxadis

mixedviT warmoSobili kreditoruli

davalianeba _ 230 728

Sveicariuli frankis odenobiT,

romelic 2015 wlis 31 dekembers

arsebuli kursiT Seadgenda 557

485 laris ekvivalents, xolo gadaxdis

momentisTvis (2016 wlis 15

Tebervali) arsebuli kursiT _ 587

503 lars, kursTaSorisma sxvaobam

Seadgina 30 018 lari. mocemuli

davalianebis safuZvelia 2015

wels saqarTvelosa da Sromis saerTaSoriso

organizacias Soris

2019 wlamde sawevro gadasaxadis

gadaxdis SeTanxmebuli grafiki,

romelic iTvaliswinebs yovelwliurad

rogorc mimdinare wlebis,

ise Zveli davalianebis dafarvas

da romlis gaTvaliswineba SesaZlebeli

iyo biujetis dagegmvis

etapze.

ra SeiZleba iTqvas amis Semdeg:

rom saqarTveloSi wlebis ganmavlobaSi

Semodioda antirabiuli

vaqcinebi, romelic saerTaSoriso

bazarze ar daiSveboda. da rom ara

saxelmwifo auditis samsaxuris

xsenebuli angariSi, amis Sesaxeb

verc ki SevityobdiT.

qonebis dabrunebis axali Sansi

mexuTe gverdidan

- reestrSi acxadeben, rom dokumentebis

namdvilobaze pasuxs ar ageben. sajaro

reestris Sesaxeb kanonSic ase weria, magram

imaze pasuxs ar agebs, xolo dokumenti

uflebamosilma pirma gamosca Tu ara, amaze

pasuxs, ra Tqma unda, agebs. reestrs Seu-

Zlia, ganacxados, rom xarvezi gaepara _

arauflebamosili piris mier mitanili dokumentis

safuZvelze moaxdina qonebis registracia

da SeuZlia TviTonve gaauqmos

registracia, rac moiTxovos uflebamosili

pirisgan.

_ sajaro reestri ratom ar aRiarebs

am xarvezs da ar moqmedebs Sesabamisad?

_ sajaro reestrma es registracia rom

moxsnas, qonebaze yadaRa unda aRdges, amaTi

gadawyvetilebis safuZvelze ki yadaRis

dokumenti, faqtobrivad, gauqmebulia. sakonstitucio

sasamarTlom 77-e prima muxlSi

cvlileba Seitana: Tu adre ganmeorebiT

auqcionze qoneba ar gaiyideboda, am SemTxvevaSi

qoneba ubrundeboda mesakuTres,

es Seicvala da Tu qoneba ver gaiyida auqcionze,

mesakuTres aRar gadaecema, magram

saaRsrulebo warmoebaTa Sesaxeb kanonSi

pirdapir weria, rom es muxli kerZo aRmasruleblebs

ar exeba. im xalxma, visac aseTi

wesiT qonebebi waarTves, rom iCivlon, maT

TavianTi qoneba unda daubrundeT. ase rom,

SesaZlebelia, am xalxs qoneba daubrundes,

magram problema im SemTxvveaSia, Tu binaSi

sxva piria Sesaxlebuli. samoqalaqo kodeqsSi

Setanili cvlilebebiT, Tu adre policias

SeeZlo gamosaxleba, axla sasamarTlo

gadawyvetilebis gareSe gamosaxleba ar Sei-

Zleba. davuSvaT, me var piri, romelsac mevaxSeebma

qoneba wamarTves, Cemi registracia

unda aRdges, Tumca qonebaSi sxva cxovrobs,

romelsac sasamarTlo gadawyvetileba

ukavia xelSi, e. i. mec mWirdeba sasamarTlo

gadawyvetileba, rom vinc cxovrobs, is

Zveli mesakuTrea, rom davubruno kuTvnili

qoneba. sasamarTloSi vinc idavebs, registraciis

ararad cnobaze unda idavos, radgan

arauflebamosili piris mier gamocemuli

dokumenti administraciul da sisxilis

samarTlis pasuxismgeblobas iTvaliswinebs

da am SemTxvevaSi registracia uqmdeba

misi warmoSobis dRidan, _ sul rom 4-

jer iyos bina gadayiduli da registrirebuli,

yvela dokumenti arara iqneba. Sesabamisad,

qoneba daubrundeba mesakuTres,

SesaZloa, mxareebs Soris morigebac moxdes.

_ amjerad ra etapzea es konkretuli

saqme?

_ es saqme administraciul wesiT aris

gasaCivrebuli saqalaqo sasamarTloSi. saerTo

sasamarTloebis Sesaxeb kanonis mixedviT

saqmeebi gvarebis Sesabamisad unda ganawildes,

magram saqmeebi gadanawilebuli

aqvT TavianTi survilisamebr, rom gaiadvilon.

Tavdapirvelad uzrunvelyofa moviTxove,

rom qonebis registracia SeeCerebinaT,

radgan arauflebamosili piris

gankargulebis safuZvelze moxda qonebis

registracia, Tumca mosamarTlem registracia

ar SeaCera, ris Semdegac am konkretuli

mosamarTlis acileba moviTxove.

amjerad saqme mosamarTle Tamar oqropiriZesTanaa.

am saqmesTan dakavSirebiT mivmarTe

iusticis saministros generalur

inspeqcias, aseve adamianis uflebaTa dacvis

komitetis Tavmjdomare sofio kilaZes,

romelmac saqme prokuraturas gadasca. ukve

saqme qalaqis prokuraturaSia, aRsrulebis

biuros ufrosi dasaWeri Tu ara,

gasaTavisuflebeli mainc aris. is pirebi,

vinc velur politikas emorCilebian da

kanonis dacvis nacvlad, rasac avaleben,

imas akeTeben, maT unda datovon Tanamdebobebi.

Zalian bevri darRvevaa, rogorc

aRsrulebis erovnul biuroSi, aseve _ sajaro

reestrSi. prokuraturam ukve daiwyo

gamoZieba aRsrulebis biuros, kerZo

aRmasruleblisa da notariusis ukanono

qmedebebze. isini sasamarTloze gavlenas

veRar moaxdenen. es problema, razedac

axla vsaubrobT, „nacionaluri moZraobis”

mmarTvelobis dros daiwyo. maSindel iusticiis

ministr adeiSvilis zemoqmedebiT

sasamarTlos ar hqonda ufleba, aRsrulebis

biuros sajaro reestris sawinaaRmdegod

mieRo gadawyvetileba. dResac asea. aRsrulebis

biurodan sasamarTlo procesebze

gamodis eka axalkaci, romelic 15 welia

muSaobs. SemiZlia, pirdapir giTxraT,

rom mosamarTleebs eSiniaT misi, adrec ase

iyo da es grZeldeba.

yvelaze mniSvnelovania, rom „qronika+~-

Si am konkretuli saqmis gamoqveynebis Semdeg

ipoTekiT dazaralebulebs axali imedi

gauCndebaT. isini advokatebs mimarTaven,

romlebic eubnebian, rom saqme dasrulebulia

da xels ar hkideben. Tumca es adamianebi

Tqveni gazeTis meSveobiT Seityoben,

rom ararad cnobis safuZvliT dava unda

ganaaxlon da qoneba daibrunon.

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7


`Rorebi da qaTmebi adrec iyvnen, magram es

msoflio panikaSia. yovel Sem-

giorgi abaSiZe

Txv

xvevaSi, jandacvis msoflio or-

ganizaciam koronavirusis gamo

saerTaSoriso sagangebo reJimi gamoacxada da ganmarta, rom

daavadebis globaluri gavrceleba sazogadoebrivi janmrTe-

lobisTvis risks warmoadgens. erTgvari panikaa saqarTveloSic,

rac, albaT, bunebrivia, Tumca yvelafer amis fonze Cndeba

kiTxva: ratom imata bolo dros aTasgvarma momakvdinebelma

virusma? vinaidan da radganac, am Temaze amomwuravi pasuxi ar

arsebobs, sazogadoebaSi musirebs mosazreba, rom virusebi

SesaZloa, xelovnurad iqmnebodes. am mosazrebas, pirdapir Tu

iribad, gamomgonebeli daviT CaCaniZe da eleqtroqimikosi

Tengo ZnelaZec iziareben, anu respondentebi „qronika+”-sTan

saubrisas albaTobas uSveben, rom virusebis xelovnurad Seqm-

na SesaZloa, farmamafiis interesebSi Sediodes.

zogadad, es vinmes, SesaZloa,

SeTqmulebis Teoriad moeCvenos,

magram faqtia: e. w. tradiciuli

medicina aratradiciul, anu araqimiur

samkurnalo saSualebebs

uaryofs. arada, zogjer ama Tu im

daavadebis gankurneba xalxuri

meTodebiT ufro SesaZlebelia.

ai, magaliTad, vercxlis samkurnalo

Tvisebebi didi xnis winaT

iyo cnobili. kerZod, me-19 saukunis

meore naxevarSi germanelma

ginekologma, karl kredem, azotmJava

vercxlis 1%-iani xsnaris

uZlieresi antigonoblenoreuli

efeqti aRmoaCina, ramac SesaZlebeli

gaxada, rom germaniis samSobiaro

saxlebSi axalSobilTa Tvalis

Cirqovan-gonoreuli anTebis

SemTxvevebi aRmoefxvraT. mogvianebiT,

anu 1897 wlis agvistoSi,

moskovSi eqimTa me-12 saerTaSoriso

yriloba gaimarTa, romelzedac

karl kredes Svilma ganacxada,

rom vercxls dadebiTi efeqti

hqonda Cirqovan qirurgiasa da

aseve septiuri infeqciebis intravenuri

mkurnalobis dros. amitom

germanelma eqimma kolegebs

iseTi axali preparatebi SesTavaza,

romlebSic araionizebuli

vercxli Sedioda. ase daiwyo medicinaSi

koloiduri vercxlis

gamoyeneba. ufro konkretulad,

ruseT-iaponiis omis dros koloiduri

vercxlis intravenuri ineqciebiT

mkurnalobdnen septiur

arTritebs, revmatizms, bronqul

asTmas, grips, mwvave respiratorul

daavadebebs, bronqitebs,

pnevmonias, Cirqovan septiur daavadebebs,

brucelozs, veneriul

daavadebebs, damwvrobasa Tu Cirqovan

Wrilobebs. Tanamedrove medicina

ki koloidur vercxls uaryofs,

anu koloiduri vercxlis

wyalxsnars preparatad ar miiCnevs

da antibiotikebs aniWebs upiratesobas.

daviT CaCaniZe da Tengo ZnelaZe

darwmunebuli arian, rom yvelaferi

es farmamafiis maqinaciebia.

mokled, ratom iqmneba virusebi

xelovnurad da ratom akeTebs

medicina aqcents ZviradRirebul

preparatebze maSin, roca ama Tu

im daavadebis, magaliTad, virusisgan

gankurneba araqimiuri da

gacilebiT iafi preparatebiTac

SeiZleba? _ „qronika+~ gTavazobT

intervius daviT CaCaniZesa da

Tengo ZnelaZesTan:

Tengo ZnelaZe, eleqtroqimi-

kosi:

_ 2002 wels erT pirovnebas

Tavisi ZmisTvis, romelic afxaze-

Tis omis dros xerxemalSi daiWra

da paraliCi daemarTa, moskovidan

rekomendacia misces, reabilitacias

koloiduri vercxlis wyalxsnari

daaCqarebso.

_ es koloiduri vercxlis wy-

alxsnari medicinaSi gamoiyeneba?

_ diax, gamoiyeneba da amis Sesaxeb

pirveli publikacia 1932 wels

erT-erT sabWoTa samedicino JurnalSi

gamoqveynda, Tumca rogorc

medikaments mxolod pirogovi

iyenebda, isic sxva, anu „lapisis”

saxiT, rac mJavaSi gaxsnili

vercxlia. operacia SesaZlebelia,

kargi SedegiT damTavrdes, magram

Wriloba dabinZurdes da pacienti

gardaicvalos. swored amis

Tavidan asacileblad pirogovma

vercxli mJavaSi gaxsna, ganazava

da operaciis Semdeg pirdapir muclis

RruSi asxamda. swored am me-

TodiT samamulo omis dros pacientTa

60 procenti gadaarCina

da daWrili jariskacebi mwyobr-

Si dabrundnen.

daviT CaCaniZe, gamomgonebeli:

_ koloiduri vercxli rogorc

garegani, aseve Sinagani WrilobebisTvis

gamoiyeneba da dazianebul

qsovils 3-4-jer swrafad

aRadgens.

_ Wrilobebze gasagebia, magram

koloiduri vercxli vi-

rusebTan sabrZolvelad rogor

unda gamoviyenoT?

_ unda davlioT.

Tengo ZnelaZe:

_ mokled, im pirovnebas, romelsac

urCies, rom Zmis reabilitaciisTvis

koloiduri vercxli

gamoeyenebina, erTi kursi 800

dolaramde ujdeboda, Tan moskovidan

unda Camoetana. arada, es

ojaxi Zalian xelmokle iyo.

_ koloiduri vercxli

saqarTveloSi ar iyo, moskovidan

rom ar Camoetana?

_ ara, maSin ar iyo.

_ axla aris?

_ diax, magram Zalian Zviria _

100 grami 28 dolari Rirs.

_ samkurnalod ramdenia

saWiro?

_ sanam pacienti ar ganikurneba,

Tan daavadebasac gaaCnia. magaliTad,

Cveulebrivi gripis

dros, aTi dalevis Semdeg, gripi

sam dReSi gaqreba.

_ koloiduri vercxlis gri-

pis profilaqtikisTvis daleva

SeiZleba?

_ ra Tqma unda. erTi sityviT,

es pirovneba „gepeiSi” movida da

daxmareba gvTxova. koloiduri

vercxlis wyalxsnari davumzadeT

da miveciT.

_ koloiduri vercxlis wyalxsnari

oficialuri medikamen-

ti ar aris?

daviT CaCaniZe:

koloiduri vercxlis saidumlo

_ preparati, romelsac medicina

ar aRiarebs da romelic

adamians virusebisgan icavs

_ me-19 saukunis bolodan

akrZales.

_ Tu aseTi uebari saSualebaa,

ratomRa akrZales?

daviT CaCaniZe:

_ imitom, rom sxva samedicino

preparatebs Zalian did konkurencias

uwevs. sxvaTa Soris, koloiduri

vercxlis wyalxsnari Rvino-

Si, araySi an Cveulebriv wyalSi

rom CavawveToT, Rvino, arayi Tu

wyali araTu gafuWdeba, aramed

Tavis Tvisebebsac ar dakargavs.

`msoflio farmamafia koloiduri vercxlis

wyalxsnars imitom ebrZvis, rom sakuTari

Semosavali ar dakargos. yvelafers Tavi rom

davaneboT, zogierTi antibiotikis erTi abi 100

laric ki Rirs. amasTan, antibiotikebs saxelebs

ucvlian da isec yidian da xom warmogidgeniaT,

amiT farmamafia ra mogebas naxulobs?~

Tengo ZnelaZe:

_ arsebobs amerikuli farmakologiis

mamis werili, sadac igi

wers, rom farmamafia yvelafers

akeTebs, raTa koloiduri vercxlis

wyalxsnars medikamentis statusi

ar mieniWos, Torem msoflios

37 qveyanaSi am wyalxsnars

ara rogorc medikaments, aramed

rogorc biologiurad aqtiur an

sakveb danamats mainc iyeneben.

erTi sityviT, msoflio farmamafia

koloiduri vercxlis wyalxsnars

imitom ebrZvis, rom sakuTari

Semosavali ar dakargos.

yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT,

zogierTi antibiotikis erTi abi

100 laric ki Rirs. amasTan, antibiotikebs

saxelebs ucvlian da

isec yidian da xom warmogidgeniaT,

amiT farmamafia ra mogebas

naxulobs?

daviT CaCaniZe:

_ Cveni bebiebi Cveulebriv wyalSi

vercxlis kovzs debdnen da

am wyals gvasmevdnen, anu koloiduri

vercxli Cveulebrivi antiseptikia.

istoriaSi isic cnobilia,

rom omebSi koloiduri vercxli

kasrebiT mihqondaT, radgan

icodnen, rom jariskacebs saWiroebis

SemTxvevaSi daexmareboda.

sxvaTa Soris, makedonelis jariskacebs,

udabno rom gadaelaxaT,

kasrebiT wyali mihqondaT, sadac

vercxlis monetebi eyara.

_ maSin monetebi sufTa vercxlisgan

mzaddeboda. Tqven ko-

loiduri vercxlis wyalxsnars

rogor iRebT?

Tengo ZnelaZe:

_ sufTa vercxls eleqtroqimiuri

meTodebiT vamuSavebT da

wyalSi vurevT. gamokvleva rom

CavatareT, am wyalma Tavisi Tvisebebi

sami wlis ganmavlobaSi ar

dakarga.

_ jandacvis saministros Tu

mimarTeT, rom koloidur vercxlze,

rogorc medikamentze, li-

cenzia mogceT?

_ saamisod orwliani klinikuri

cdebia saWiro, rac, minimum,

300-dan 500 aTas dolaramde jdeba.

_ SegiZliaT, miTxraT, gar-

egani da Sinagani Wrilobebis

garda koloiduri vercxli kidev

romel daavadebebs kurnavs?

_ magaliTad, kargi Sedegi aqvs

e. w. qaluri daavadebebis mkurnalobisas.

_ pacients koloidur vercxliswyals

samkurnalod Tqven un-

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gripebi da virusebi ratom ar arsebobda?!~

iSnavT?

_ diax, axloblebsa da megobrebs.

_ ambobT, rom koloiduri

vercxliswyali

oficialur

medikamentad ar iTvleba. Sesa-

bamisad, roca mis gamoyenebas

vinmes urCevT, es xom kanondar-

Rvevaa?

_ jandacvis saministroSi

gviTxres, SegiZliaT, daamzadoT

da gayidoT, magram medikamenti ar

unda daarqvaTo. amitom „badi”,

anu biologiurad aqtiuri danamati

davarqviT. sxvaTa Soris, dRes

„badi” Zalian bevr produqts aweria.

rac Seexeba daavadebebs, koloiduri

vercxlis wyalxsnari

kargia gripis, virusebis, sokovani

daavadebebis, aseve meningitis samkurnalod.

koloiduri vercxlis

wyalxsnaris miReba eqimis daniSnuli

medikamentebis paralelurad

SeiZleba da mas ukuCveneba ar

gaaCnia.

daviT CaCaniZe:

_ axlaxan filtvebis anTeba

zedized orjer mqonda. am wyalxsnarisa

da Cemi sxva meTodebis

gamoyenebiT, pirveli filtvebis

anTebis dros, zustad erT kvira-

Si fexze davdeqi da eqimebi gaocdnen,

magram quCaSi gamosuls

daudevari adamiani Semxvda.

_ anu?

_ gadamkocna, virusebiT gamtena

da filtvebis anTeba xelmeored

damemarTa. axlobelma antibiotikebi

momitana, davlie, magram

ar miSvela. Tengos davureke,

damexmare-meTqi. koloiduri vercxlis

wyalxsnari gamomigzavna da

sam dReSi isev yvelaferi aalaga.

saerTod, kargia, rom koloiduri

vercxli adamianma profilaqtikisTvisac

miiRos.

_ profilaqtikis mizniT dRe-

Si ramdeni wyalxsnari unda dav-

lio?

_ diliT da saRamos TiTo-

TiTo sufris kovzic sakmarisia,

avadmyofobis dros ki Zlieri

dozaa saWiro, radgan organizmi

gaiwmindos.

_ batono Tengo, ucnauri

feris saxe gaqvT. ratom?

_ arian adamianebi, romlebic

vercxls ver itanen. amas algiria

hqvia.

_ anu Tqven vercxls ver

itanT?

_ ara.

_ aba?

_ koloiduri vercxli,

rogorc giTxariT, Zalian kargi

antiseptikia.

_ mere?

_ losionebisa da odekolonebis

gamoyeneba ar miyvars, radgan

Tavidan kargi suni aqvs, magram mere

kani izeTeba. mokled, wveris

gaparsvis Semdeg, yovel diliT,

saxeze am wyalxsnars visxamdi.

marTalia, axalgazrdobidan fotografi

var, magram ver gaviTvaliswine,

rom yvelafer amas, Sesa-

Zloa, fotografiuli efeqti mohyoloda.

_ anu?

_ vercxli rom „aRdgeba”,

Savdeba. ai, swored es damemarTa.

_ nel-nela gaSavdiT Tu erT-

baSad?

_ nel-nela, anu vercxli kanqveS

damigrovda, Tan es mxolod

saxeze, Torem mTel sxeulze bavSviviT

vardisferi kani maqvs.

_ ra amis pasuxia da, msoflio

`sxvaTa Soris, `qaTmis gripze~ cda Cavatare da koloiduri vercxlis

wyalxsnars, daaxloebiT, xuTidan aT wamamde dasWirda, rom es virusi

moekla. igive SemiZlia `Roris gripzec~ vTqva, magram yvelaferi es rom

gaiges, daskvna ar momces~

panikaSia _ jer „Roris gripis”

gveSinoda, axla ki koronavirusi

gvemuqreba. arsebobs mosazreba,

rom es virusebi xelovnuradaa

Seqmnili. batonebo, am Teorias

iziarebT?

daviT CaCaniZe:

_ piradad me viziareb.

_ virusebis xelovnurad Seqm-

nis mizani ra unda iyos?

Tengo ZnelaZe:

_ meti wamali rom gaiyidos.

daviT CaCaniZe:

_ Cven, yvelani, sacdeli kurdRlebiviT

varT.

_ anu?

_ arsebobs msoflio mmarTveloba.

_ es ra SuaSia?

_ magaliTad, C hepatitis

mkurnaloba 250 aTasi dolari Tu

evro jdeba. pirdapir vTqvaT:

TiTqmis yoveli meore adamiani

ukve C hepatitiTaa daavadebuli.

saqarTvelo da qarTveli xalxi

ise vis uyvars, rom amxela fuli

saqarTveloze daxarjos?

_ „fulis daxarjvaSi” C hepa-

titis programas gulisxmobT?

_ diax.

_ Tqvens msjelobaSi, batono

daviT, logika aris, magram faq-

tia: am programis wyalobiT, C

hepatitisgan Zalian bevri gani-

kurna.

_ C hepatitisgan SeiZleba, ganikurna,

magram vinmem icis, am

preparatiT gankurnebas ra mohyveba?

nebismier adamians, romelmac

mkurnalobis es kursi gaiara,

hkiTxeT, ra ukuCvenebebi aReniSnebaT.

_ zogadad, yvela preparati

asea _ erT daavadebas rom kur-

navs, uaryofiTad sxva rameze

moqmedebs.

_ diax, magram am preparatebs

Cvenze nu cdian!

_ e. i., ambobT, rom samedicino

preparatebs ar vendoT da ko-

loiduri vercxlis wyalxsnaris

moxmarebaze gadavideT?

_ ara, amas ar vambob, Tumca

saukuneebia, koloiduri vercxlis

samkurnalo Tvisebebi cnobilia.

`Cveni bebiebi Cveulebriv wyalSi vercxlis kovzs

debdnen da am wyals gvasmevdnen, anu

koloiduri vercxli Cveulebrivi antiseptikia~

Tengo ZnelaZe:

_ Cemi informaciiT, aSS-is nacionaluri

samedicino asociaciis

rekomendaciiT, aSS-Si, bavSvi

daibadeba Tu ara, TvalSi koloidur

vercxls awveTeben, radgan

gemoidaluri infeqciebi ar ganuviTardes.

Cemive informaciiT, es

praqtika aSS-Si as welze metia,

arsebobs, Tumca amis Sesaxeb arsad

weria. is amerikeli eqimi, we-

Ran rom vaxsene, ambobs, koloiduri

vercxlis medicinaSi danergva

swored farmamafias ar awyobso.

_ e. i., amtkicebT, rom yvela

ukurnebeli daavadeba xe-

lovnuradaa Seqmnili?

daviT CaCaniZe:

_ nebismieri ara, magram Zalian

bevri _ diax, xelovnuradaa Seqmnili.

_ magaliTad?

_ igive es virusebi 2000 wlidan

gavrcelda da manamde ratom ar

iyo?

Tengo ZnelaZe:

_ sxvaTa Soris, „qaTmis gripze”

cda Cavatare da koloiduri vercxlis

wyalxsnars, daaxloebiT,

xuTidan aT wamamde dasWirda, rom

es virusi moekla. igive SemiZlia

„Roris gripzec” vTqva, magram

yvelaferi es rom gaiges, daskvna

ar momces.

daviT CaCaniZe:

_ koloiduri vercxli, bolos

da bolos, oqrosfer stafilokoks

kurnavs!

Tengo ZnelaZe:

_ oqrosferi stafilokoki,

romelic saSineli daavadebaa, Cemi

megobris cols xuTi weli awuxebda

da antibiotikebiT mkurnalobdnen,

magram antibiotiki sokos

aCens da amitom imdens ver

aZlevdnen, rom oqrosferi stafilokoki

bolomde mospobiliyo.

bolos, koloiduri vercxlis wyalxsnaris

daleva daiwyo. daaxloebiT,

rva Tve svamda da Svidirva

weli iqneba, eqimTan aRar misula.

_ ratom?

_ oqrosferi stafilokokis

xsenebac aRar aqvs.

_ anu ganikurna?

_ diax.

_ koloiduri vercxli sim-

sivnesac Svelis?

_ amaze verafers getyviT.

daviT CaCaniZe:

_ SemiZlia, eqsperimenti axlave

Cavataro: xels gaviWri, Wriloba-

ze koloiduri vercxlis wyalxsnars

davisxam da Tqveni TvaliT

naxavT, sisxldena ramden xanSi Se-

Cerdeba da ramden xanSi Sexorcdeba.

_ ise, koloidur vercxls

romelime qimiuri preparati Tu

Seicavs?

Tengo ZnelaZe:

_ ruseTis televiziiT kbilis

pastisa Tu saxis kremebis uamravi

reklama gadis, sadac pirdapir

naTqvamia, vercxls Seicavso.

daviT CaCaniZe:

_ Cven qarTvelebi varT.

_ ukacravad, es ra SuaSia?

_ SuaSi ki ara, TavSia.

_ mainc?

_ winaswarmetyvelebs sakuTar

qveyanaSi ar aRiareben.

_ anu saubari iqiTken migyavT,

rom Tqven, rogorc mecnierebsa

da gamomgoneblebs, saqarTvelo-

Si ar gafaseben?

_ diax.

_ Tu asea, maSin romelime

ucxo qveyanas mimarTeT da Tqve-

ni gamogoneba-aRmoCenis Sesaxeb

auwyeT.

_ mimarTuli gvaqvs, magram

undaT, Cvengan yvelaferi kapikebad

iyidon, mere lamazad Sefu-

Ton da ise gayidon, rogorc

amerikuli an evropuli brendi.

_ mokled, Tqveni saubriT

STabeWdileba meqmneba, rom, ma-

galiTad, gaciebis sawinaaRmdego

preparatebi blefia da meti

araferi, ara?

_ diax.

Tengo ZnelaZe:

_ Tu gaxsovT, erTxans Zalian

moduri iyo e. w. gasaxdomi preparatebi,

romelic 200 dolaric ki

Rirda, magram am preparatebiT

gamxdari adamiani ar minaxavs, anu

gripis sawinaaRmdego preparatebic

swored aseTebia. yvelafer

amas sjobia, adamianma dReSi asiorasi

grami TeTri kombostos

mwnili miirTvas an am mwnilis wveni

dalios, romelic imaze met ce

vitamins Seicavs, vidre es gripis

sawinaaRmdego medikamentebi.

daviT CaCaniZe:

_ gaiZaxian, „Roris gripi”,

„qaTmis gripio”, _ Rorebi da qaTmebi

adrec iyvnen, magram es gripebi

ratom ar arsebobda? ai, swored

esec mowmobs, rom aRniSnuli

virusebi xelovnuradaa Seqmnili.

Tengo ZnelaZe:

_ saxelsa da gvars ar vityvi,

magram erTi Cemi Zveli nacnobi

urologiis konkretul centrSi

muSaobs. qalbatonebSi erT-erTi

yvelaze gavrcelebuli daavadeba

cistitia. hoda, am Cems nacnobs

koloiduri vercxlis wyalxsnari

mivutane da vuTxari, Tu SegiZlia,

gamoscade-meTqi. damTanxmda, Tumca

mkiTxa, rame garTuleba xom

ar eqnebao? mivuge, Tu rame garTuleba

moyveba, Tavs moviklav-me-

Tqi. mokled, ori kviris mere klinikaSi

isev mivedi da meubnebian,

saocari Sedegebi gvaqvs _ pacienti

absoluturad gamojanmrTelda,

magram ojaxi myavs da am wyalxsnars

ver gamoviyenebo. sxvaTa

Soris, saqarTveloSi cistitis

mkurnaloba, minimum, 500 lari

jdeba, Tan eqvsi Tvis mere pacienti

isev samkurnaloa...

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„nacionaluri moZraobis”

erT-erTma liderma, levan

xabeiSvilma, SesaZloa, wlis

daundoblis statuss gamoh-

kras xeli. ianvris mTavari

moZaladeoba ukve garanti-

rebuli aqvs. opozicioners,

romelsac telekamerebis win

„ocnebis” wevrebi jgrod daesxnen

Tavs, Zaladobis mux-

liT brali wauyenes da 2000-

lariani giraoc Seufardes.

Tbilisis sakrebulos Tav-

mjdomaris moadgile irakli

zarqua amtkicebs, rom is xabeiSvilma

daalilava da tki-

vili miayena. arada, manamde

igive zarqua mediasTan Zveli

biWiviT trabaxobda, xa-

beiSvils damsaxurebulad

moxvdao.

miayena Tu ara sinamdvileSi

tkivili zarquas xabeiSvilma? vin

dgas masze ganxorcielebuli Tav-

dasxmis ukan? rogor emuqreboda

mas sajarod Tbilisis meri? ratom

ar apirebs gaCerebas sakreb-

ulos deputati? ratom ecodeba

masze Tavdamsxmeli meocnebeebi?

_ amis Sesaxeb levan xabeiSvili

„qronika+~-s esaubreba:

_ levan, mTelma saqarTvelom

naxa, Tu rogor dagesxnen Tavs

„qarTuli iocnebis” deputatebi.

maT rom amis gamo aravin dasji-

da, vicodiT, magram Tqven Tu

wagiyenebdnen iqiT brals, amas veravin

warmoidgenda. Tavad ki am-

bobdiT, SeiZleba, me wamiyenon

bralio da marTla ase moxda.

_ ase moxda da axla SeiZleba,

mCxibavobac damabralon. eWvic ar

mepareboda, rom ase iqneboda. irakli

zarqua, romelic axla amtkicebs,

rom tkivili ganvacdevine,

didi xania cdilobs provokaciaze

Cems wamogebas. 24 ianvris incidentamde

karga xniT adre Semomivarda

sarevizio komisiis sxdomaze,

romlis wevric ar aris. Cems mimarT

mas Semdeg gauCnda agresia, rac

masTan da mis ojaxTan dakavSirebuli

korufciuli sqemebi gavSifre.

mas naxevari milioni laris

qoneba gauformes erT larad. es

TaraS SurRaiam gaakeTa, romelic

Cem winaaRmdeg ganxorcielebul

TavdasxmaSi aqtiurad monawileobda.

„qarTul ocnebaSi” ar darCa

maRali Tanamdebobis piri, romelic

korufciaSi ar memxilebina. kaxa

kalaZe Zalian bevrs iparavs, mas

arc sxva Tanamdebobis pirebi

CamorCebian. am adamianebs ar moswonT,

roca maT Savbnel saqmeebs

vasajaroeb. maT didi xania undaT,

rom samagiero gadamixadon. maRal

Tanamdebobaze arasdros vyofilvar,

rom raRacis gafuWeba da biujetis

Tanxebis gaflangva damabralon.

aseTi rame ar momxdara

da amas yvelaze zRvargadasuli

„qocic” ki ver ityvis Cemze. bevri

fiqris Semdeg gadawyvites, rom

saukeTeso gamosavali iyo provokaciaze

Cemi wamogeba.

pirveli provokaciis mowyoba

gasuli wlis bolos scades. amisTvis

giorgi doxturiSvili gamoiyenes.

es adamiani dRes „qarTuli

ocnebis” deputatia sakrebuloSi,

ramdenime wlis win ki „nacionaluri

moZraobis” aqtivisti

iyo. es incidenti erekle kuxianiZis

gancxadebebs mohyva. am ukanasknelma

tyveobaSi myofi eqimi

vaJa gafrindaSvili galanZRa.

_ kuxianiZe axseneT da am kacma

Tqvenze ganxorcielebuli Tav-

10

`Cemze Tavdasxma

levan xabeiSvili:

`Tavad 5000 lars

iReben TveSi,

damlageblebs ki

196 lars uxdian. es ar

aris normaluri ambavi~

dasxma dagmo, magram iqve daamata,

xabeiSvili sakrebulos sx-

domebze cirkebis dadgmas unda

SeeSvaso.

_ Zaladoba dagmo, magram CemTvis

misi gancxadeba arafers niSnavs.

is imdenad antisaxelmwifoebrivi

adamiania, rom mis erT sityvasac

ki ar aqvs Cems TvalSi fasi.

ise, man umravlesobas isic hkiTxa,

korufciasTan mebrZoli xabeiSvili

ratom ar giyvarTo? iqve daamata,

me ratom gamricxeT partiidan

da irakli kobaxiZe ratom datoveT

baton biZinasTano? misi

sityvebi, rogorc ukve giTxariT,

arafrismomcemia da isev im provokaciaze

gavagrZeleb saubars,

romelic SarSan kuxianiZis saqmeze

momiwyves. aranairi Sexeba ar mqonda

giorgi doxturiSvilTan, magram

is wamoxta da yvirili daiwyo,

uzrdeli xaro. cdilobda,

provokaciaze wamovege. ar gamovida.

Tan „ocnebaSi” mixvdnen, rom

erTi adamiani amas ver ereva da

arc provokacia gamodis. amitom

gadawyvites, saqmeSi kunTmagari da

gaunaTlebeli tipebi CaerToT. 24

ianvris sxdomaze aseTi ori tipi

Cem gverdiT aRmoCnda. isini im komisiis

wevrebic ar arian, ise Semovidnen

komisiis sxdomaze.

_ avTandil cincaZeze da

aleqsandre xujaZeze saubrobT?

_ diax. isini komisiis wevrebi ar

arian da mxolod imitom Semovidnen

iq, rom Cemi provocireba moexdinaT.

„ocnebas” ar daumalavs,

rom Cemi gancxadebebi ar moewona.

me sxvadasxva toqSouSi movyevi, Tu

rogori socialuri uTanasworobaa

Tbilisis sakrebuloSi.

Tavad 5000 lars iReben TveSi, damlageblebs

ki 196 lars uxdian. es

ar aris normaluri ambavi.

am sakiTxze am dReebSi vesaubre

sakrebulos Tavmjdomare giorgi

tyemalaZes. ver warmomidgenia,

rogor unda gadauxado TveSi 196

lari im qals, romelic, sul mcire,

10 welia, Sens kabinets alagebs.

es tyemalaZe xom sakrebuloSi daibada

da gaizarda. „nacionalebis”

drodan iq zis. axla Cvenken rom

iSvers xels, misgan erTi sityva ar

gamigia „nacionalebis” sawinaaRmdegod

Tqmuli. damlageblebma

araerTxel mimarTes daxmarebisTvis

tyemalaZes, magram iman araferi

gaakeTa. damlageblebs ver

mougvara problema da aman Tbiliss

ra unda gaukeTos? axla unamusod

amboben, kanoni ar gvaZlevs

SesaZleblobas, damlageblebs xelfasi

gavuzardoTo.

_ damlageblisTvis xelfasis

gazrdas kanoni krZalavs?

_ ra Tqma unda, ara. raRacas

bodaven. iseTi unamuso rogor

unda iyo, rom Tqva, damlageblebisTvis

xelfasis momatebis uflebas

kanoni ar gvaZlevso?! asec rom

iyos, kanonebis miReba da arsebulis

Secvla magaT xelSi ar aris?

Tavad kargad iormageben jamagirs,

magram damlageblisTvis ar Sei-

Zleba. Turme amas tenderSi gamarjvebuli

kompania wyvets. tenders

sakrebulo ar acxadebs da

pirobebsac isini ar deben? damlageblebis

problemis mogvareba

Tu undaT, amis gakeTeba naxevar

saaTSi SeiZleba.

cota gadaxveva gamomivida, magram

am Temas mohyva is, rac 24

ianvars sakrebuloSi moxda. amis

gamkeTeblebi arian kalaZis Winkebi.

isini swored Tbilisis meris

davalebiT damesxnen Tavs. am qveynis

mTavari kriminali aris vaxtang

ìrakli zarqua, romelic axla amtkicebs, rom

tkivili ganvacdevine, didi xania cdilobs

provokaciaze Cems wamogebas. 24 ianvris

incidentamde karga xniT adre Semomivarda

sarevizio komisiis sxdomaze, romlis wevric ar

aris. Cem mimarT mas Semdeg gauCnda agresia,

rac masTan da mis ojaxTan dakavSirebuli

korufciuli sqemebi gavSifre. mas naxevari

milioni laris qoneba gauformes erT larad~

gomelauri, prokuratura kidev

kriminalebis mfarvelia. me damesxnen

Tavs da aqeT me wamiyena brali

sagamoZiebo uwyebam. Sss-m iseTi sagamoZiebo

samuSaoebi Caatara, rom

kinaRam sastik damnaSaved gamomacxades.

Zaladobis muxliT brali

zarquas Cvenebis safuZvelze

wamiyenes. im zarquas Cvenebis safuZvelze,

romelic ramdenime

dRis manZilze eTerebSi amayad

gaiZaxoda, Cven Soris Sexla-Semoxla

moxdao; vin unda scemos xabeiSviilma,

magis sacemi vin aris, iqiT

wavuTaqeTo. am trabaxis mere gamovida

da amtkicebda, xabeiSvilma

mcemao. saxeze manamde araferi dazianeba

ar etyoboda da mere saidan

gauCnda? Citma moitana, haerma?

iqneb, Tavad miiyena es dazianebebi,

me ra vici.

_ SeiZleba, sxvam scema.

_ SeiZleba, magram 24, 25 da 26

ianvars aranairi dazianeba ar etyoboda.

me ki ar metyoboda, yvelaferi

zed mewera. is, rac sakrebuloSi

24 ianvars moxda, es ar yofila

erTi-erTze Cxubi, es adamianebi

me laCrulad damesxnen Tavs.

iq arc afeqtur mdgomareobaSi

yofila vinme. is kunTmagari tipebi

Segnebulad Semovidnen da daiwyes

provokaciuli gancxadebebis

gakeTeba. maTi survili iyo, rom

pirvels me damertya da mere damseodnen.

es ar gamovida, radgan

rogorc ki isini Cem gverdiT

dasxdnen, kamerebis TandaswrebiT

ganvacxade, rom isini iq skandalis

mosawyobad iyvnen mosuli. es ramdenjerme

gavimeore. am orma kunTmagarma

Cemi provocireba rom ver

moaxerxa, mere saqmeSi TaraS Sur-

Raia CaerTo, romelic jer xelSi

mirtyamda, magram ar avyevi. ironiulad

Sevxede da es xeli gamovwie.

aman rom ar gaWra, wamodga

da Cumad, malulad uknidan wamomartya

Tavze xeli.

_ amaze ki gadairieT.

_ bunebrivia, reaqcia mqonda da

ki naxeT, rac mohyva Cems reaqcias.

damesivnen. amas kriminalebic ki ar

ikadreben.

_ kriminalebi yvelafers ika-

dreben.

_ ara, ara. aseTi rameebi aravisTvis

misaRebi araa. ar arsebobs

cxovrebis wesi, romelic aseT

saqciels amarTlebs. kriminali

rom kriminalia, iqac ar aris es

gamarTlebuli. jer aqeT-iqiT

damisxdnen, alyaSi momaqcies, mere

Tavze xeli wamomartyes da roca

wamovxti, damesivnen. 4 kaci erTs

rom daeseva, eg araferSi jdeba.

waqceulsac mirtyamdnen da bolos

kinaRam skami Camartyes. es xom yvelaferi

kamerebiT aris gadaRebuli.

sruli pasuxismgeblobiT vacxadeb,

rom es iyo kaxa kalaZis dakveTa,

romelsac mwvane Suqi aun-

To prokuraturam da gomelaurma.

am adamiansac aqvs Cem mimarT piradi

wyena.

_ mas raRa awyenineT?

_ susis ufrosi roca iyo, sasaxle

wamoWima da es gavasajarove. es

sasaxle naTesavebis saxelze hqonda

gaformebuli. erT-erTi telekompaniis

JurnalistebTan erTad

davadgineT, rom es ZviradRirebuli

sasaxle misi iyo. amis Sesaxeb

gomelauri, bunebrivia, informirebulia.

ar mikvirs, gomelaurma am

Zaladobas mwvane rom aunTo. arc

prokuraturisgan gamkvirvebia. am

uwyebas xom dRemde oTar farcxalaZe

akontrolebs. masTan dakav-

SirebiT iseTi raRacebi amovqeqe,

rom lamis mis winaaRmdeg saqme aR-

10 N3 (305) 4.02-10.02.2020 w.


kalaZem daukveTa~

`susis ufrosi roca iyo, sasaxle

wamoWima da es gavasajarove. es

sasaxle naTesavebis saxelze

hqonda gaformebuli. erT-erTi

telekompaniis JurnalistebTan

erTad davadgineT, rom es

ZviradRirebuli sasaxle misi iyo.

amis Sesaxeb gomelauri,

bunebrivia, informirebulia. ar

mikvirs, gomelaurma am

Zaladobas mwvane rom aunTo~

vaZvrevine. yvelam icis, rom am kacma

biujetidan aseulobiT milioni

lari miiTvisa da raRac periodi

qveynidanac ki iyo gaqceuli,

germaniaSi imaleboda. ramdenime

adamianma, maT Soris, Semosavlebis

samsaxuris ufrosma, mis

winaaRmdeg Cveneba misca. mokled

rom giTxraT, Zalian vawuxeb korumpirebul

Cinosnebs da Cemi dasja

gadawyvites saCveneblad. pirvel

dReebSi amayad ambobdnen, xabeiSvili

vcemeT, wavuTaqeT, „mivaCmoreTo”.

amas uaryofiTi reaqcia

mohyva xalxSi. arc me gavCerdi da

mixvdnen, rom iolad dasaCagri

adamiani ar var. roca simarTle

Sens mxaresaa, iolad veravin dag-

Cagravs. maTgan gansxvavebiT vaJkacobac

maqvs da Rirsebac. arc zogierTiviT

davmalulvar.

_ damalva ki ara, ufro gamwarebulma

daiwyeT xelisufleb-

is mxileba.

_ am Tavdasxmis Semdeg brZolis

survili kidev ufro gamiZlierda.

ki amayobdnen, xabeiSvils TavSi

wamovartyiTo, magram TavSi wamortymulebi

Tavad darCnen. dedas

geficebi, Tu ar mecodebodnen es

ubedurebi, maT Soris, zarquac.

_ ra sWirT magaT Sesacodi?

_ rogor ar arian codoebi.

erTjeradi qaRaldis xelsaxociviT

gamoiyena isini kalaZem. es sami

_ SurRaia, xujaZe da cincaZe pirdapiri

mniSvnelobiT gaaubedura.

_ ranairad gaaubedura?

_ gaubedureba ar aris, aba, raa,

jgufuri Zaladobis muxliT aqvT

brali wardgenili.

_ nanoben, viTom, amas?

_ rogor ar nanoben. pirdapir

kriminalebad arian gamocxadebuli

da kacma ar icis, ra ganaCeni

dadgeba.

_ ise, marTla gamikvirda, am

sams rom wauyenes brali Tqvenze

Tavdasxmis gamo. marTla ar gami-

kvirdeboda, zarquas msgavsad

maTi cemac TqvenTvis rom dae-

bralebinaT.

_ imdenad aSkara iyo yvelaferi,

rom ase ar gamovidoda. iZulebuli

gaxdnen, maTTvis brali waredginaT.

rac Seexeba zarquas, mas kaxa

kalaZe yvelaze daundoblad moeqca.

jer ra politikuri momavali

hqonda da es mwiri momavalic dausamara.

ramdenime dRe kaci eTereb-

Si baqibuqobda da Cemi cemiT Tavs

iwonebda. ori dRis Semdeg Tqva,

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yba mtkiva da Tavio, grimiT

davmale, Torem magari nabegvi

viyavio.

_ gulwrfelad gviTxariT,

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_ gulwrfelad getyviT, ar micemia.

ekuTvnoda, magram ar micemia.

„qarTuli ocnebis” wevrebis

alyaSi viyavi da ranairad unda

mecema zarqua? warmoudgenel ambebs

yveba.

_ mosamarTlem ratom daijera

misi?

_ ar daujerebia. sasamarTlom

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jer marto policiisTvis aqvs

Cveneba micemuli. male mouwevs

sasamarTloze mosvla da iq amtkicos,

rogor gavartyvi da rogor

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ver moveferebi, vinc xalxs

N3 (305) 4.02-10.02.2020 w.

Zarcvavs. ise gaZarcves xalxi,

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raRac waikiTxon.

_ gazeTis fuls vin Civis,

xalxs puris sayideli fuli aRar

aqvs.

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rogor unda movefero? pirdapiri

mniSvnelobiT yelSi vyavar gaCxerili.

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amiT me araferi damikargavs. is

sami kriminalebad gamocxadda,

zarquas ki politikuri kariera

daengra.

_ ratom fiqrobT, rom daengra?

ramdenadac CvenTvis cno-

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Zleba, sasacilod mogeCvenoT,

magram is darwmunebulia, rom

momaval parlamentSi erT-erTi

vice-spikeris posts daikavebs.

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196 lari im qals, romelic, sul mcire, 10

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Tu irakli zarqua „qarTuli ocnebis”

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mivmarTav, rom zarqua „ocnebis”

siaSi Casvan. kargi iqneba, Tu pirvel

aTeulSi Caweren, radgan met

deputats egeni parlamentSi veRar

gaiyvanen.

_ ise, eg faqtobrivad deputati

gaxda, magram rogorc amboben,

mtarvalma gaxariam aTqmev-

ina uari parlamentis wevrobaze...

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parlamenti datova da siis

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Cemgan ucenzuro sityva ar gagigonia.

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sakrebuloSi pirvelad rom movida,

egreve damipirispirda da

miTxra, naZvis xeze dagkidebo. me

veraferi damaklo, magram Tanagundelebi

ki Cayara mZime mdgomareobaSi.

pirvel dReebSi ibriqebodnen,

qarTvelebi varT da ver moviTmineT

piradi Seuracxyofa da

wavuTaqeTo.

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TviT, lamazad wavuTaqeTo, ase

Tqva zaqruam.

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es axalgazrda xalxi.

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Zalian mZime misia daakisres. kacs

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Ja, tkivili ganvicadeo. es kacis-

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manamde ZvelbiWobda, xabeiSvils

policiaSi pasta da furceli

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eg araferSi weria.

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da rogorc kanonmorCli moqalaqe

mivedi, rac Tbilisis sakrebulos

Tavmjdomaris moadgilis gagebiT

danaSauli yofila. am zarquam Tu

marTla tkivili ganicada, ratom

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ra xdeba? Zalian bevrs ibriqeboda,

magram mere aRalatebines principebisTvis

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moayoles, ra sastikad da daundoblad

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winaaRmdeg aRZravdnen saqmes, magram

yvelaferi ise ar wavida, rogorc

maT surdaT. rogorc araerTxel

giTxariT, „ocnebis” wevrebs

undodaT, rom provokaciaze

wamovgebuliyavi da pirvels me

damertya xeli. am SemTxvevaSi Tavs

gaimarTlebdnen da ityodnen,

pirvelad is Segvexo xeliT da aba,

ra gveqnao? me ar davartyi da ise

mouwiaT Tavdasxma. gamoCndnen arakacebi.

samarTlebrivadac da politikuradac

problemebi SeeqmnaT.

moralurad, samarTlebrivad

da kacurad waages, axla amtkiceben,

rom me gavigde egeni wixlqveS.

bevri ifiqres da gadawyvites, rom

am saqmidan Cemi sufTad gamosvla

ar iqneboda. arada, RmerTi, rjuli

amaTTan marTali var, magram

mTlad Cemi gamarTleba „ocnebis”

kanonSi ar weria. amitom gadawyda,

rom Cem winaaRmdegac aRZruliyo

saqme da daajRabnines zarquas

cru da samarcxvino Cveneba, romlis

mixedviTac me mas araqristianulad

moveqeci.

_ ise, sakmaod iafi dagijdaT

es araqristianuli qceva. proku-

raturam 2000-lariani girao

moiTxova, im sameuls ki 5000 gi-

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„ocnebaSic” xvdebian, Tu ras warmoadgens

irakli zarqua da is mxolod

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gamo 15.000 laris gadaxda

mouwevs „ocnebis” 3 deputats. e. i.

mmarTveli partiis TvalSi me Svidjer

ufro Zviri vRirvar, vidre

maTi erT-erTi saxe.

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iTqvas, rom saqarTveloSi politikuri

marTlmsajulebaa. „qar-

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mxridan politikuri oponentebis

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im umsgavsobaze pasuxismgebloba

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daesxnen, is adamianebi adgilze ar

daukavebiaT, Sss-m mogvianebiT gaavrcela

informacia, rom Tavdamsxmelebi

dasakiTxad gadaiyvanes.

sul ramdenime kviris winandel

faqts gagaxsenebT, rodesac „qarTuli

ocnebis” deputat anri

oxanaSvils sityvieri Seuracxyofa

miayenes Tavis ojaxis wevrebTan

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SemTxvevaSi saxelmwifom dauyovnebliv

daapatimra es pirovneba,

xolo rodesac sisxlis samar-

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moqmedebebi mimdinareobs. es

aris SerCeviToba da am sistemis

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qariSxals moimkiso, _ ras niSnavs

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iyo, miT umetes, yofili

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rom samarTlebriv an

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is, rasac „qarTuli ocneba”

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politikuri Zala arCevnebis

gziT moviSoroT.

_ gasul kviras aseve aqtualuri

Tema iyo prezident zurabiS-

vilis evropis sabWoSi gamosvla.

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi

amboben, rom man zedmiwevniT is-

aubra okupaciaze. Tqven rogor

SeafasebT mis gamosvlas?

_ prezident zurabiSvilis gamosvlis

„gapraveba” SeuZlebelia,

levan samuSia:

`Cven yvelam

viciT, rom es

Sesacvlelia

da amas

aucileblad

SevcvliT~

`sul ramdenime kviris winandel faqts

gagaxsenebT, rodesac `qarTuli ocnebis~

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gadaiyvanes da, jerjerobiT, gaurkvevelia, ra

saproceso moqmedebebi mimdinareobs. es aris

SerCeviToba da am sistemis saxe~

Tumca „qarTuli ocnebis” xelisufleba

rekordsmenia msoflio-

Si yvelasa da yvelafris „gapravebaSi”.

salome zurabiSvilis gamosvla

qveynis interesebis sawinaaRmdego

iyo. jer erTi, is faqti, rom

zurabiSvilma ukrainis delegaciis

warmomadgenlebis kiTxva saer-

Tod upasuxod datova, mxolod

es aris sakmarisi misi gamosvlis

Sesafaseblad. zurabiSvilma pirdapir

dapatiJa Cveni qveynis okupanti

saxelmwifo. man ganacxada,

rom okupantebis gulisTvis kanonis

darRvevazec ki varT wamsvlelio

da amis Semdeg mmarTveli gundi

mis gamarTlebas ecada, rac

warmoudgenelia. Tumca „qarTuli

ocnebisgan” warmoudgeneli aRaraferia.

im dResve erT-erTi televiziis

eTerSi movuwode „qarTul

ocnebas”, rom zurabiSvilis am

gancxadebas gamijnuliyvnen da

eTqvaT, rom „lavrovebis” dapatiJeba

saqarTveloSi ar SeiZleba.

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gavrilovis Camosvlis tolfasi

Tu ara, uaresi iqneba lavrovis

saqarTveloSi Camosvla. qveynisTvis

Zalian mniSvnelovania, rom

msgavsi ram ar moxdes, vinaidan am

saqcieliT isini Cveni moqalaqeebis

nervebze iTamaSeben da qveyanaSi

daZabulobis Seqmnas Seuwyoben

xels.

_ Tumca isini lavrovis saqar-

TveloSi Semosvlas ganixilaven

im konteqstSi, rom saqarTvelo

evropis sabWos Tavmjdomare qveyanaa

da Sesabamisad uwevT mo-

qmedeba.

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qveyana rom gavxdiT samarcxvinod

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kargad viciT, rom realurad anbanis

mixedviT mogviwia evropis

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sabWos Tavmjdomareoba ki imas ar

niSnavs, rom sakuTari qveynis interesebze

Tqva uari da Cveni qveynis

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amas ar gvTxovs. magram rodesac

Sen TviTon epatiJebi mkvlels

sakuTar saxlSi, amaze ra

komentari unda gavakeTo, ar vici.

marTalia, salome zurabiSvilma

evropis sabWoSi gamosvlisas qvecnobierad

rasac fiqrobda, is

Tqva, rom ivaniSvilia prezidentio,

magram is idga tribunaze

prezidentis statusiT da man okupanti

qveynis warmomadgenlebi

sakuTar qveyanaSi dapatiJa. am Sem-

TxvevaSi Cvenma dasavlelma megobrebma

ra pozicia unda daikavon?

Tu Cven gveqneba swori, samar-

Tliani, kanonieri pozicia, bunebrivia,

maTi mxardaWerac garantirebulia.

_ rogor fiqrobT, zurabiS-

vilma mizanmimarTulad gaakeTa

lavrovTan dakavSirebiT es

gancxadeba?

_ xSir SemTxvevaSi, salome zurabiSvili

Tavs isulelebs, „qar-

Tuli ocneba” ki imiT amarTlebs,

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instituciebi mokla~

rom man xan ena ar icis da zogjer

raRacebi eSleba. zurabiSvili

gamiznulad moqmedebs, veravin

damajerebs, rom is ver xvdeba, ra

gancxadebebs akeTebs da ras niSnavs

ruseTis saokupacio xelisuflebis

saqarTveloSi mopatiJeba

da ra reaqcias gamoiwvevs es.

zurabiSvilis mxridan es mopatiJeba,

garkveulwilad, bodiSis

moxda iyo gavrilovisTvis da

ruseTis xelisuflebisTvis, im

reaqciis Semdeg, rac saqarTvelos

moqalaqeebma gamoavlines

`zurabiSvilis mxridan es mopatiJeba, garkveulwilad, bodiSis moxda iyo

gavrilovis vizitis dros. zu-

gavrilovisTvis da ruseTis xelisuflebisTvis, im reaqciis Semdeg, rac

rabiSvili yvelafers kargad xvd-

saqarTvelos moqalaqeebma gamoavlines gavrilovis vizitis dros.

eba, is akeTebs imas, rac ruseTs

zurabiSvili yvelafers kargad xvdeba, is akeTebs imas, rac ruseTs awyobs,

awyobs, is prorusuli prezidentia

da, zogadad, prorusuli

is prorusuli prezidentia da, zogadad, prorusuli mTavroba gvyavs~

mTavroba gvyavs. araferi eSleba

salome zurabiSvils, is yvelafers

gamiznulad akeTebs.

_ am procesebis paralelurad

ki, kongresmenebis mwvave wer-

ilebis Semdeg, premier-ministrs

senatorebic ugzavnian msgavsi

Sinaarsis werilebs. ramdenad adekvaturad

aRiqvams xelisufle-

ba am werilebis simwvaves? mmar-

Tveli gundi ki acxadebs, rom

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araswor informaciebzea dayrd-

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aqvT Cvens dasavlel

megobrebs da kongresmenebs. Cvens

dasavlel megobrebze Seuracxyofis

miyenebaa imis Tqma, rom isini

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SemTxvevaSi, Turme, calxmrivad

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akeTeben gancxadebebs.

saqarTveloSi aSS-is saelCoa,

saerTaSoriso organizaciebia da

faqtebis Seswavlis Sedegad ake-

Teben am gancxadebebs. ra aris am

werilebSi iseTi, rac realobas ar

vilad damarcxdeba, magram es ar

aris mTavari. mTavaria, rom parlamenti

iyos mravalpartiuli,

xelisufleba _ koaliciuri, rac,

darwmunebuli var, qveyanas ganvi-

Tarebis Sanss miscems. Tavis droze

mravalpartiuli parlamenti

da koaliciuri mTavroba rom gvyoloda,

arc 7 noemberi iqneboda,

arc _ 26 maisi da arc _ 20 ivnisi.

_ ratom ar Tanxmdeba opozi-

cia xelisuflebis SemoTavazebas

100/50-ze, anu 100 proporciuli

wesiT, 50 maJoritaruliT?

_ xelisuflebas ar surs samarTliani

saarCevno sistema. usamarTlo

saarCevno sistemis erTerTi

Semadgeneli nawilia is,

rasac viTom daTmobad da miRwevad

asaRebs „qarTuli ocnebis”

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100/50-ze. am SemTxvevaSi mTavaria

is, rom amomrCevlis xma realizebuli

iyos da es xma proporciulad

aisaxos parlamentis

dakompleqtebaze. „qarTul ocnebas”

mis mier SemoTavazebuli

winadadebiT surs miiRos 30% da

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xelisuflebaSi. amas, bunebrivia,

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Tanxmoba ganacxados

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mxardaWerisa, mainc surs xelisuflebaSi

darCena, es aris pirdapir

saarCevno sistemiT arCevnebis

moparva.

_ opozicia 4 Tebervlidan ga-

naaxlebT protests da rogorc

ganacxadeT, gazafxulidan masStabur

aqciebs gegmavT, xalxs mobilizaciisken

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Cven gvaxsovs, rom proporciulis

Cagdebis Semdeg xelisu-

fleba ironiulad aRniSnavda,

rom 20-ma partiam mxolod 5 000

adamianis gamoyvana SeZeliT. axla

ra gaZlevT imis imeds, rom xalxi

masobrivad gamova quCaSi?

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muxtia arsebuli xelisuflebisa

da im situaciis mimarT,

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yvela sferoSi, amas didi kvleva

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es yvelas konstituciuri

uflebaa da Cven kanonisa da konstituciis

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gamoxatvas vapirebT. rac Seexeba

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Tavs ver daimSvidebs imiT,

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ician im saprotesto eleqtoratis

raodenoba, romelic kategoriulad

ar eTanxmeba „qarTuli ocnebis”

xelisuflebaSi yofnas da

es saprotesto eleqtorati sakuTar

sityvas arCevnebze ityvis.

_ „qarTuli ocneba” Tavis

Cveul meTods 2020 wlis sapar-

lamento arCevnebzec gamoiyenebs

da politikuri garemos polarizebas

ecdeba, mtris xatad ki „na-

Seesabameba? „qarTul ocnebas”

`saqarTveloSi aSS-is saelCoa, saerTaSoriso

cionalur moZraobas warmoaCens,

jibeSi ar udevs sasamarTlo xe-

organizaciebia da faqtebis Seswavlis Sedegad

ra unda daupirispiroT opozilisufleba?

ivaniSvilma sruliad

ciam amas?

akeTeben am gancxadebebs. ra aris am werilebSi

saerTaSoriso sazogadoeba ar gadaagdo

da saqarTvelos moqala-

iseTi, rac realobas ar Seesabameba? `qarTul

cdilobs da ecdeba kidec, magram

_ bunebrivia, amis gamoyenebas

qeebs proprociulTan dakavSire-

ocnebas~ jibeSi ar udevs sasamarTlo

es meTodi ukve moZvelebulia da

biT ar mogvpara arCevnebi?! saqar-

TveloSi sasamarTlo samarTlian-

xelisufleba? ivaniSvilma sruliad

saerTaSoriso sazogadoeba ar gadaagdo da

ar Wris. saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs

arCevanis SesaZlebloba eqnebaT.

isini im politikur Zalaze

ia?! rodesac „qarTuli ocnebis”

saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs proprociulTan

xelisufleba Cvens dasavlel megobrebs

Sefarulad akritikebs

Tvis iqneba misaRebi. aqedan gamom-

gaakeTeben arCevans, romelic maT-

dakavSirebiT ar mogvpara arCevnebi?!

da zog SemTxvevaSi cnobierebis

saqarTveloSi sasamarTlo samarTliania?!~

dinare, is meTodi, rom „qarTulma

amaRlebaSi daxmarebas sTavazobs,

es ar aris Riad prorusuli politikis

gagrZeleba „qarTuli

ocnebis” xelisuflebis mxridan

da Cveni dasavluri miswrafebis

Sesustebis mcdeloba?

_ rac Seexeba mTavar sakiTxs,

2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebs,

rogorc Cans, xelisufle-

ba daTmobaze wasvlas ar apirebs.

Tavis mxriv, opozicia proporci-

ul saarCevno sistemas iTxovT.

arCevnebamde sul ufro cota

dro rCeba, ra berketebi gaqvT am

mocemulobiT?

_ opoziciaSi aqtiurad aris

saubari imasTan dakavSirebiT, rom

SevTanxmdeT saerTo maJoritar

kandidatebze da sxvadasxva sakiTxze

koordinacia iyos. Rrmad

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am drakonuli saarCevno sistemis

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ocnebam” „nacionaluri moZr-

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Sanssac veRar vxedav, radgan saqarTvelos

yvela moqalaqe kargad

xedavs, Tu ra xdeba da am me-

TodiT „qarTuli ocneba” fons

ver gava.

_ igive saqarTvelos moqalaqeebis

didi nawili „endiais” axa-

li kvlevis mixedviT, arc mmar-

Tvel gunds da arc opozicias ar

uWers mxars, ra aris amis mizezi?

_ xelisuflebis momxre vinc

aris, mas ar eSinia, rom Tavisi ar-

Cevani daafiqsiros. aqedan gamomdinare,

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Zalian mcire Sansia, rom xelisuflebis

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susti iqneba da ar iaqtiurebs.

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_ am mocemulobaSi ra aris

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mowveva?

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fiqrobs, mivides Tu ara arCevnebze

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Zalas dauWiros mxari, _

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misvlis aucileblobaze

da konkretul partiis mimxrobasTan

dakavSirebiT. „Tavisufal

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eTanxmebiT am mosazrebas?

_ ivaniSvili arasdros arsad

wasula, yovelTvis is iyo premieri-ministri.

saqarTvelos moqalaqeebma

kargad ician, rac dRes

Cvens qveyanaSi xdeba, am yvelafris

arqiteqtori da Semoqmedi vin

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sistemis Camgdebi da

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avtori, aqedan gamomdinare,

veranairad Secvlis viTarebas

ivaniSvilis formalurad premierad

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hyavs erTi prokurori, erTi mosamarTle,

erTi premier-ministi,

erTi yvelafris ministri da es

aris ivaniSvili. aqedan gamomdinare,

misi oficialurad premier-ministrad

dabruneba veranairi

Sveba ver iqneba „qarTuli

ocnebisTvis” da verc ivaniSvilisTvis.

erT faqts gavixseneb, RaribaSvili

TviTon saubrobda, _

ivaniSvils 6 TveSi erTxel vekiTxebodi,

wavide Tu ara Tanamdebobidano,

bolos miTxra, wasvlis

droao da wavedi. isedac vicodiT

da amis Semdeg davrwmundiT, rom

saqarTveloSi premier-ministris

posti aris formaloba da sakanonmdeblo,

aRmasrulebeli da sasamarTlo

xelisuflebis mmarTveloba

SeTavsebuli aqvs ivaniSvils.

am adamianma da saerTod „qarTulma

ocnebam” saqarTveloSi instituciebi

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icis Zalian kargad. meore, wminda

proceduruli sakiTxi: veneciis

komisia da euTo saarCevno procesTan

dakavSirebiT Segvaxsenebs

xolme demokratiuli arCevnebis

upirobo moTxovnas, rom saarCevno

wels TamaSis wesebi ar unda icvlebodes.

Cven ukve 2020 welSi

varT, anu saarCevno welia, Sesabamisad,

saarCevno TamaSis wesebi Tuki

konstituciur cvlilebas moi-

Txovs, ukeTes SemTxvevaSi saWiroa

zedized ori sesia: sagazafxulo

sesiaze 2, saSemodgomoze ki 1 mosmena.

seqtemberSi Tundac 2 mosmeniT

romc miiRon cvlilebebi,

ukve kalendarulad veRar eswreba

oqtombramde e. w. cxadi TamaSis

wesebis arseboba, radgan konstituciuri

cvlilebebis garda araerTi

normatiuli aqtia Sesacvleli.

sinamdvileSi, me rasac vakvirdebi,

es aris mmarTveli politikuri

Zalis TamaSi, rom mas metad

aRar dabraldes saarCevno sistemis

gademokratiulebasTan dakav-

Sirebuli uaryofiTi gadawyvetileba,

rac noemberSi miiRes da

amasTanave maqsimalurad gawelos

procesi. mmarTvelma Zalam yvelaze

kargad icis, rom arc procedurulad

da arc kvorumiT es cvlilebebi,

ubralod, ar moeswreba

2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebisTvis.

ukve gazafxulidan socialur-ekonomikuri

Tu politikuri

fonis kidev ufro damZimebis

kvalobaze, bunebrivia, mmarTveli

politikuri Zalis reitingi, ndoba

kidev ufro damZimdeba, rac TavisTavad

ar aris mimzidveli mis-

Tvis. oqtombramde didi droa da

zianis miReba kidev SeuZlia mmar-

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arCevnebis scenars ganixilavs~

Tvel politikur Zalas. savaraudoa,

rom swored amitom erT-erT

e. w. programa minimumad an saSinao

davalebad SeiZleba CavTvaloT

gazafxulze vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebis scenaris ganvi-

Tareba, rodesac saerTaSoriso Tu

Sida zewolis pasuxad mmarTveli

politikuri Zala gamova da ityvis,

rom radgan proporciul sistemaze

gadasvla ver eswreba, isini

demokratiuli gziT midian vadamdel

saparlamento arCevnebze. es

arCevnebi ki, ra Tqma unda, Sereuli

sistemiTa da 3%-iani saarCevno

barieriT Catardeba.

_ vadamdeli arCevnebisTvis

romeli politikuri subieqti

iqneba mzad?

_ am pirobebSi vadamdeli arCevnebisTvis

erTaderTi subieqti,

romelic „mzad aris”, es swored,

mmarTveli politikuri Zalaa,

radgan is administraciul resurss

flobs. arc opozicia da arc

sazogadoeba ar aris mzad vadamdeli

arCevnebisTvis, vgulisxmob

sistemur mzaobas. Sesabamisad, is

Sedegi, rac SeiZleba miiRos vadamdelis

scenaris gaTamaSebis Sem-

TxvevaSi mmarTvelma politikurma

Zalam, im Sedegze ukeTesi iqneba,

romelic man SeiZleba miiRos

oqtomberSi. magaliTad, Tu oqtomberSi

albaToba aris imisa, rom

mmarTvelma politikurma Zalam 50

mandati miiRos, gazafxulze Tuki

vadamdeli Catarda, es 50 mandati

SeiZleba iyos 55. cxadia, isini amas

iTvlian. rogorc me maqvs informacia

da mediaSic gaJRerda, „qar-

Tuli ocneba” vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebis scenars ganixilavs.

vadamdelis SemTxvevaSi sayvedurebi

„qarTuli ocnebis” misamarTiT,

rom danapirebi ar Seasrula

proporciulTan dakavSirebiT,

aqtualuri aRar iqneba da Cveni saerTaSoriso

partniorebi Tu organizaciebi

amaze veRar da aRar

ilaparakeben.

_ Tqven vrclad isaubreT imis

Sesaxeb, Tu ra gaTvlebi aqvs „qar-

Tul ocnebas”, opozicias ramde-

nad sworad aqvs gaTvlili nab-

ijebi da samoqmedo gegma?

_ samwuxarod, Cveni politikuri,

partiuli sistema Rrma krizisSia

da albaT, esec unda gagvevlo

imitom, rom Cven amis gamocdilebac

ar gvqonda, iseve rogorc

saxelmwifoebriobis. es krizisi ki

Seexeba yvela politikur Zalas,

romelic dRes warmodgenilia qar-

Tul politikur saWadrako dafaze.

demokratiuli partiuli sistema

Cven ar gvaqvs, Sesabamisad, es

Zalian seriozuli gamowvevaa Cveni

demokratiuli saxelmwifoebriobis

ganviTarebis gzaze. swored

am konteqstSi da amis gaTvaliswinebiT,

politikur ZalebSi siaxleebis,

axali mimarTulebebisa da

axali gadawyvetilebebis mwvave

deficiti SeiniSneba. aqedan gamomdinare,

mrCeba STabeWdileba, rom

xelisuflebis miRma myofi politikuri

partiebi ar arian mzad da,

savaraudod, maTi umravlesoba

arc ganixilavs vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebis scenars. es

TavisTavad cudia, radgan amomrCeveli

ver iqneba Camoyalibebuli.

rodesac opozicia ar aris mzad

vadamdelis scenarisTvis, xelisufleba

ki mzad aris, magram eleq-

`Cveni sazogadoebis, romlis wevri mec var da Cems Tavzec vsaubrob am

SemTxvevaSi, yvelaze didi Secdoma iyo da jer kidev aris is, rom veZebT

viRac erTs. paradoqsia, rom Semdeg aucileblad vpoulobT mas, visac

davarqmevT, rom Zlieria. erTi wlis Tavze aRmovaCenT, rom is erTi Cvens

gasakeTebels ar gaakeTebs, arc unda gaakeTos, radgan Cven Cvenive

gasakeTebeli unda gavakeToT. aq ki ukve `qarTveloba~ iRviZebs da

magaliTad Cndeba aseTi damokidebuleba: risTvis avirCie, Tuki ezos ar

damigvis, Tuki Cems saxlSi ar Semova da naTuras ar gamocvlis, anu

yvelaferi im erTma unda gagvikeTos, mere gavbrazdebiT da viwyebT mis

winaaRmdeg brZolas, radgan saxlSi naTura ar gamogvicvala~

toralurad bevria Camouyalibebeli

amomrCeveli, es yvelaferi

amomrCevlis flustracias, anu imedgacruebas

gamoiwvevs, ris gamoc

nawili saxlSi darCeba ar miva

arCevnebze da a. S., es ki saarCevno

Sedegebis legitimacias seriozul

kiTxvis niSnebs SesZens.

_ garda imisa, rom „qarTuli

ocneba” vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebis scenars ganixilavs, is,

didi albaTobiT, misTvis damaxa-

siaTebel meTods gamoiyenebs da

arCevnebis win ecdeba, „naciona-

luri moZraobisgan”, sxva wina

arCevnebis msgavsad, mtris xati

Seqmnas, amis xarjze ki moaxdinos

politikuri garemos polarizeba.

es faqtori ramdenad seriozul

problemebs Seuqmnis opozicias?

_ es gavlili teqnologiaa da

„qarTuli ocneba” am mxriv ar aris

`salome zurabiSvils am sakiTxTan mimarTebiT

aravin arafers ekiTxeba. Sesabamisad, misi raRac

gancxadeba, miT umetes, im tribunaze,

romelzedac Zalian kargad ician qarTuli Sida

politika, merwmuneT, CemTvis da ara mxolod

CemTvis, gansakuTrebuli mniSvnelobis mqone ar

aris. am sakiTxze gadawyvetilebas iRebs

saqarTvelos aRmasrulebeli xelisufleba

kanoniT gansazRvrul farglebSi. Sesabamisad,

CemTvis saintereso da samsjelo iqneba ara is,

Tu ra morig epataJur gamosvlas SemogvTavazebs

salome zurabiSvili, aramed ra gancxadebas

gaakeTebs am yvelaferze pasuxismgebeli

aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebis Sto~

originaluri. wina xelisuflebebic

iyenebdnen am saarCevno teqnologias,

romelsac me saxelad sakuTar

amomrCevelze fsiqologiuri

zewola davarqvi, radgan es

arCevani aRar aris Tavisufali da

informirebuli. amas gamoiyenebs

„qarTuli ocneba” 2020 wlis arCevnebzec,

oRond albaTobis maRali

xarisxiT sxva teqnologiebi da

mcdelobebi iqneba, rom maTTvis

maqsimalurad sasurveli Sedegi

miiRon. maT Soris gamoiyeneben administraciul

resurss, aseve axal

politikur Zalebs gaaCenen, rom

amomrCeveli daibnes da a. S., es yvelaferi

Cven ukve vnaxeT. ras daupirispirebs

sazogadoeba da opoziciuri

politikuri partiebi amas,

ver vxedavT, ara mxolod dRes,

aramed bolo arCevnebSi amas ra

daupirispira opoziciurma politikurma

gaerTianebam, ver davinaxeT.

2018 wlis saprezidento

arCevnebis pirvelsa da meore turzec

ra daupirispires opoziciurma

partiebma iseTi, rac Sedegs

Secvlida? _ samwuxarod, veraferi.

_ opozicia rom sustia, amaze

vTanxmdebiT. vxedavT imasac, rom

ar aqvT Camoyalibebuli, Tu ras

daupirispireben „qarTuli ocnebis”

Cveul meTods. aseT mocemu-

lobaSi ra SemTxvevaSi SeiZleba

dakargos „qarTulma ocnebam” xelisuflebaSi

darCenis yvelanai-

ri Sansi?

_ raoden paradoqsulic ar

unda iyos, SeiZleba, pretenziuladac

mogeCvenoT Cemi pozicia: me

samoqalaqo kulturasa da aqtivobaSi

vxedav gamosavals. rogori

aqtiurebi da pasuxismgeblianebic

viqnebiT, iseT Sedegebs gamoacxadebs

centraluri saarCevno komisia

da ara ise, rogorc xdeboda,

rom Cveni aqtivobis miuxedavad,

rogorsac dawerdnen, im Sedegebs

viRebdiT xolme sxvadasxva modifikaciiT,

Tumca realurad CvenSi

arCevnebi ase iyo xolme. pasiuri

amomrCeveli, upasuxismgeblo moqalaqeebi

yvela xelisuflebas imis

saSualebas vaZlevT, rom SeinarCunos

Zalauflebis berketebi,

gaixangrZlivos an naklebi danakargiT

darCes politikur scenaze.

_ opoziciam Tu arCevnebis

gziT ver moaxerxa „qarTuli ocnebis”

xelisuflebidan CamoSoreba,

revoluciur scenars ganix-

ilavs da amis Sesaxeb opozicio-

neri liderebisgan araerTi gancxadeba

movismineT. ramdenad xedavT

am scenariT movlenebis gan-

viTarebis Sansebs?

_ me, rogorc am qveynis erTi

rigiTi moqalaqe, romlisTvisac

Zalian mniSvnelovania, rom misi

samSoblo saxelmwifod iqces, demokratiul

mmarTvelobas vuWer

mxars da swored demokratiuli

mmarTvelobiT warmomidgenia sam-

Soblos momavali, amitom CemTvis

Zalian mZimea, Tundac mcire alba-

TobiT, revoluciuri scenarebis

ganxilva. moqalaqeebma SigniT unda

vipovoT resursi. xazgasmiT

vambob, rom moqalaqeebma unda mov-

ZebnoT es resursi da ara politikurma

partiebma, romlebsac TavianTi

istoria aqvT. kargia Tu cudia,

faqtia, rom aqvT da am Tavisi

istoriiT damZimebulebi dRemde

movidnen gamocdilebiT Tu gamoucdelobiT.

Cven axla am yvelafris

cvlilebebs vadevnebT Tvalyurs.

amdenad revoluciuri scenariT

ganviTareba CemTvis miuRebelia

da ar aris sasurveli. gulwrfelad

rom vTqva, arc vxedav

resurssa da mzaobas imisa, rom sazogadoebam

mxari dauWiros amas.

revolucia ki, sazogadoebis mxardaWeris

gareSe, rTulad SeiZleba

iyos warmatebuli.

_ vrceldeba informacia, rom

ivaniSvili

premier-ministris

postze brundeba. es faqti rogor

Secvlis „qarTuli ocnebis”

politikur realobas?

_ es informacia erTaderTi

mizniT gavrcelda, rom sazogadoebisa

da politikuri partiebis

yuradReba mTavari Temebidan imaze

gadataniliyo, emsjelaT, dabrundeba

Tu ara ivaniSvili. ukve 2

kviraze metia, swored es aris gamxsneli

Tema. Cveni xelisuflebis

umravlesobas ruseTisadmi siyvaruli

mosdgams da rusebs aseTi

samxedro termini aqvT: „yuradRebis

gadasatani manevri”, Sesabamisad,

es informacia swored yuradRebis

gadatanas emsaxureboda, pirvel

rigSi, qveynis garedan wamosuli

skepsisidan undodaT yuradRebis

gadatana da ufro metad ecadnen

vadamdeli saparlamento arCevnebis

SefuTvas, rom amaze samsjelod

sazogadoebas sakmarisi dro ar

hqondes.

_ ise movediT 2020 wlamde, rom

mudmivad aqtualuri Tema iyo

mesame Zala, Tu vin moipovebda am

statuss, Tumca es adgili, jer-

jerobiT, vakanturia. aris Tu ara

Sansi, rom realuri mesame Zala

gamoCndes?

_ Cveni sazogadoebis, romlis

wevri mec var da Cems Tavzec vsaubrob

am SemTxvevaSi, yvelaze didi

Secdoma iyo da jer kidev aris

is, rom veZebT viRac erTs. paradoqsia,

rom Semdeg aucileblad

vpoulobT mas, visac davarqmevT,

rom Zlieria. erTi wlis Tavze

aRmovaCenT, rom is erTi Cvens

gasakeTebels ar gaakeTebs, arc

unda gaakeTos, radgan Cven Cvenive

gasakeTebeli unda gavakeToT. aq

ki ukve „qarTveloba” iRviZebs da

magaliTad Cndeba aseTi damokidebuleba:

risTvis avirCie, Tuki

ezos ar damigvis, Tuki Cems saxl-

Si ar Semova da naTuras ar gamocvlis,

anu yvelaferi im erTma unda

gagvikeTos, mere gavbrazdebiT da

viwyebT mis winaaRmdeg brZolas,

radgan saxlSi naTura ar gamogvicvala.

amis Semdeg ki xelaxla viwyebT

axlis Ziebas. igive wreze

varT 2 aTeuli weli. ase iqceoda

postsabWoTa Taoba. maT Soris,

mec. axali Taoba ase aRar iqceva

da aRarc unda moiqces imitom,

rom man yvelaze kargad icis, _ mis

gasakeTebels aravin gaakeTebs. amasTanave

xelisufleba iseTi iqneba,

rogori aqtiuric TviTon iqneba

da rogori samoqalaqo pasuxismgeblobac

mas eqneba. Tu viRacam

moatyua, sxvas aravis unda daabralos

es. motyuvdi, radgan motyueba

gindoda. Cven varT Cvenive saqcielze

pasuxismgeblebi da ufro

meti samoqalaqo TviTSegnebiT unda

movekidoT saqmes, maSin gveqneba

Zlieri samoqalaqo da demokratiuli

sazogadoeba, Zlieri partiuli

sistemiT.

15


`xelisuflebis erT jgufs samoqalaqo

saqarTvelos mTavroba, ker-

giorgi abaSiZe

Zod, premier-ministri giorgi

gaxaria, sixaruls eloda, magram

saqme ise wavida, rom okeanisgaRmidan kritikuli werili werilze

modis. amis miuxedavad, „ocnebis” ministrebi Tavs imSvideben

da amerikel kongresmenebs iqiT amunaTeben. ai, ma-

galiTad, iusticiis ministri Tea wulukiani ambobs, rom es

werilebi gasakviria.

Zneli saTqmelia, ra sazomiT

zomavs iusticiis ministri demokratiis

xarisxs, miT umetes ma-

Sin, roca politikuri partiebis

liderebisa Tu mediamflobelebis

winaaRmdeg sisxlis samarTlis

saqmeebia aRZruli. swored amitom

„eTnikur da konfesiur urTierTobaTa

centris xelmZRvaneli”,

analitikosi lela jejelava,

eWvobs, rom iseTma gancxadebebma,

rogorsac wulukiani da

sxva „qocebi” akeTeben, qveyana

SesaZloa, samoqalaqo dapirispirebamde

miiyvanos.

„ocnebis” wammzomi CarTulia”,

_ acxadebs jejelava da dasZens,

rom am viTarebaSi igive biZina ivaniSvilisTvis

garkveuli garantiebis

micema _ arc meti, arc naklebi

_ Tavad ivaniSvils SeuZlia.

rogor unda misces ivaniSvil-

ma sakuTar Tavs xelSeuxeblobis

garantia? _ amas winamdebare in-

terviudan SeityobT. aseve gai-

gebT, Tu ratom aRar aris lela

jejelava irakli oqruaSvilis

„gamarjvebuli saqarTvelos”

wevri.

_ qalbatono lela, 2020 weli

mmarTveli partiisTvis cudad

daiwyo _ amerikeli kongresmene-

bi da evropeli politikosebi

werils werilze agzavnian, Tum-

ca ivaniSvilis gundi siraqlemis

pozas irCevs. werili, marTlac,

trampma unda gamoagzavnos, rom

„ocneba” viTarebis dramatulo-

bas mixvdes?

_ imedi ar maqvs, rom trampis

gancxadeba mainc iqneba is bolo

wertili, rodesac „ocneba” Tavisi

mdgomareobis simZimes gaiazrebs,

magram amerikeli kongresmenebisa

da senatorebis gancxadebebi

erT rameze mianiSnebs: „ocnebis”

politikuri wammzomi CarTulia

da Tavis finals uaxlovdeba.

rac ufro cota dro rCeba,

miT ufro cotaa Sansi, rom es finali

saxelmwifosTvis pozitiuri

iyos. Tu im gancxadebebiT vimsjelebT,

rac am werilebs „ocnebis”

wevrebis mxridan moyva, ar

mgonia, „ocnebas” gacnobierebuli

hqondes, axla ra procesSia. ise,

gaugebaria, saidan movida azri,

rom amerikeli kanonmdeblebi

TiTqos sworad informirebulni

ar arian da mxolod calmxrivi

informacia aqvT.

„ocnebas” rogor warmoudgenia,

amerikelebi daskvnas mxolod

imis mixedviT akeTeben, rasac opozicia

eubneba? ra, saqarTveloSi

arc aSS-s saelCoa, arc sxva amerikuli

sainformacio samsaxurebi

muSaoben Tu saqme rogoraa? imis

gamo, rom am mdgomareobidan

rogorme gamovidnen, iseT gancxadebebs

akeTeben, rom situacias

ufro imZimeben. kobaxiZe, kuWava

da beraia aSS-Si vizitiT erTi

Tvis win iyvnen da epistoleebis

kaskadi swored am vizits moyva.

_ kuWavam ganacxada, dro ar

gvqonda, amerikelebi sapirispir-

oSi rom dagverwmunebina da swo-

ri informacia migvewodebinao.

_ axla ras apireben, amerikelebi

sapirispiroSi rom daarwmunon,

aSS-Si unda gadasaxldnen?

_ aSS-Si gadasaxleba rad undaT,

radgan, mgoni, Tea wuluki-

anma ganacxada, saqarTvelo damo-

ukidebeli saxelmwifoa da Cvens

suverenul saqmeebSi Carevis uf-

leba aravis aqvs, maT Soris, arc

amerikelebso. wulukianis TqmiT-

ve, okeanisgaRmelebi „ocnebas” ki

ar tuqsaven, ubralod, rCevebs

aZleven...

_ ukacravad, magram qalbaton

wulukians partnioroba rogor

warmoudgenia _ misgan yvelanair

daxmarebas da kontribucias unda

viRebdeT, Cveni mxridan ki es

partnioroba arafers iTxovs?

_ xelisuflebis kidev erTi

argumenti aseTia: es amerikeli

kongresmenebi da senatorebi „na-

cionalebi” ariano...

_ „ocnebam” am gancxadebebiT

ukve imdeni Secdoma dauSva, rom

TalakvaZis aSS-dan dabrunebis

Semdeg reaqciebi kidev ufro

mZafri iqneba da urTierTobac

sxva safexurze gadava!

_ sxvaTa Soris, amerikelTa

nawili ukve strategiuli part-

niorobis Sewyvetaze mianiSnebs,

anu Tqvenc aseTi cudi molodi-

ni gaqvT?

_ ara, aseTi molodini ar maqvs.

imisTvis, rom saqarTvelo misi

strategiuli partniori gamxdariyo,

aSS-m sakmaod didi finansuri,

moraluri da aseve politikuri

mxardaWera gagviwia. is, rom dRes

saqarTvelo aSS-is startegiuli

partnioria, es Cveni ormxrivi interesia,

rac aSS-is geopolitikur

interesSic Sedis. Sesabamisad,

amerikelebi ukan ar daixeven da

saqarTvelosadmi, rogorc saxelmwifosadmi,

cxadia, mxardaWera

gagrZeldeba, magram es imas rodi

niSnavs, rom „ocnebis” xelisufleba

aSS-dan rame tipis dividends

kidev miiRebs.

_ ise, msgavsi werilebi aSS-dan

2012 welsac igzavneboda, Tumca

„nacmoZraobac”, „ocnebis” ms-

gavsad, Tavze nacars iyrida. ho-

da, Tu ivaniSvilis gundi saarCevnod

politikur wnexs gaaormagebs,

amiT xom isev qveyana dazaraldeba,

anu cxovreba gausa-

Zlisi gaxdeba. xalxma ra unda

qnas?

_ meqmneba STabeWdileba, rom

„ocnebis” erT jgufs samoqalaqo

dapirispirebamde mihyavs saqme!

_ mainc, romel jgufs?

_ ai, imas, romelic im „brZnul

mosazrebebs” iziarebs, romelsac

Tea wulukiani drodadro afrqvevs

xolme, maT Soris, strategiuli

partniorobisa da suverenulobis

Sesaxeb!

_ anu viTareba iseTia, rogoric

gasuli saukunis 90-ian wleb-

Si iyo, roca aSS-is maSindelma

prezidentma zviad gamsaxurdi-

aze Tqva, dinebis sawinaaRmdegod

micuravso da amiT samoqalaqo

oms, praqtikulad, mwvane aunTo?

_ saqarTvelos damoukideblobis

gariJraJze zviad gamsaxurdias

SemTxveva sxva Sinaarsis Semcveli

iyo. dRes ki aSS-is Cven mima-

lela jejelava:

`miuxedavad imisa, me an romelime lideri

vrCebiT Tu ara partiaSi, an partiaSi

arsebuli rTuli viTareba, romelic irakli

oqruaSvilis dapatimrebiT Seiqmna, xels ver

SeuSlis saerTo opoziciur da qarTuli

saxelmwifos gamarjvebas, radgan `gamarjvebulma

saqarTvelom~, xanmokle arsebobis miuxedavad,

sakmaod didi kontribucia Seitana am

gamarjvebaSi da es aris ori politikuri

patimari - irakli oqruaSvili da koba koSaZe.

politpatimrebis Tema ki is sabediswero

lodia `qarTuli ocnebisTvis~, ramac mas

niRabi sabolood Camoxsna da Cveni

saerTaSoriso partniorebisTvis am

xelisuflebis realuri saxe naTeli gaxada!~

`wammzomi

CarTulia

da òcneba~

finals

uaxlovdeba!~

rT interesebi Zalian mkafiodaa

gamoxatuli, amitom, darwmunebuli

var, „ocnebas” saSualeba ar

miecema, rom arCevnebis gziT ar

wavides! „ocnebas” Zalian naTlad

auxsnian, rom es erTaderTi gzaa,

magram Tuki „ocneba” Cveni partniorebis

am mosazrebas mainc ar

gaiziarebs, anu xalxs dapirebul

proporciul arCevnebs ar miscems

da politikuri niSniT adamianebis

devnas ar Sewyvets, maSin Cemi

eWvi samoqalaqo dapirispirebaze

SesaZloa, gamarTldes. ise, merve

welia, „ocneba” xelisuflebaSia

da am xnis ganmavlobaSi sainteresoa,

ratom ver moaxerxa, rom

strategiul partniors swori informacia

miawodos?

_ am ritorikul kiTxvaze rom

gipasuxoT, minimum, „qoci” unda

viyo, magram mainc ver gavige,

samoqalaqo dapirispirebis sa-

frTxes ratom xedavT?

_ Tu „ocnebam” danapirebi ar

Seasrula da xalxs proporciuli

arCevnebi ar daubruna, „ocneba”

ver gaimarjvebs, rasac mis mierve

Catarebuli konfidencialuri kvlevebic

aCvenebs. mokled, sazogadoeba

gayalbebul arCevnebs ar

miiRebs da procesebi rogori

scenariT ganviTardeba?

_ ar mgonia, rom arCevnebis

gayalbebis SemTxvevaSi saqme samoqalaqo

omamde mivides, radgan

meore mxares „nacionaluri

moZraobaa”, romlis xelisufle-

baSi dabrunebac mosaxleobis

umetesobas ar unda. yovel SemT-

xvevaSi, „miSa mova” isev muSaobs.

_ iciT, rogoraa? _ kvlevebis

Sedegebs Tavi rom davaneboT, mixeil

saakaSvils, am etapze, biZina

ivaniSvilTan SedarebiT upiratesobas

aqvs.

_ ratom?

_ sazogadoebis nawili saakaSvils

ver itans, nawili ki _ ivaniSvils,

Tumca saakaSvils, ivaniSvilisgan

gansxvavebiT, realuri

momxreebi hyavs. ai, swored es aris

mniSvnelovani.

_ anu quCaSi miSas realuri

momxreebi gamovlen?

_ mxolod miSas momxreebi ki

ara, yvela adamiani, romelic

CaTvlis, rom arasamarTliani

arCevnebi Catarda, quCaSi gamova.

_ davuSvaT, asea, magram qal-

batono lela, ar dagaviwydeT,

rom ivaniSvils Zalian didi fuli

aqvs. bolos da bolos, „ocnebam”

irakli oqruaSvilis mego-

bris, mixeil qarelis gadabireba

moaxerxa da robaqiZis saqmeSi

qareli oqruaSvilis winaaRmdeg,

rogorc gairkva, „oqros mowmea”.

_ oqruaSvilisa da qarelis megobrobis

detalebSi ver Seval.

maT Soris, rogorc vici, garkveuli

ukmayofileba arsebobda da

yvelaferi es qarelisgan primiti-

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dapirispirebamde mihyavs saqme!~

uli da cota arakacuri SurisZieba

mgonia. saerTod, Cvenebis

micema nebismieris winaaRmdeg Sei-

Zleba, magram es arafers hgavs.

_ SeiZleba, magram qarelis

SemTxveva ganvazogadoT, miT

umetes, rom zurabiSvilis arC-

evnebis magaliTi win gvaqvs, anu

wlevandel saparlamento arCe-

vnebzec „ocneba” xaxvsa Tu

kartofils daarigebs da gamar-

jvebas gaiformebs!

_ sruli pasuxismgeblobiT

geubnebiT: am xalxs kartofili

da 50 Tu asi 100 lari veRar gaaCerebs!

ise, saimisod, rom yvelaferi

es Tavidan aviridoT,

Zalian kargi recepti arsebobs.

_ saxeldobr?

_ „ocneba” Secdomas yvela fexis

nabijze uSvebs. Tuki am Secdomebis

kvaldakval aSS-is pozicia

gamkacrdeba da sanqciebamde

mivalT, razedac saubari ukve midis,

maSin qarTveli xalxi

arCevnebs arCevnebamde moigebs!

_ arCevnebis mosagebad opo-

ziciis erTianobac aucilebelia.

marTalia, „gamarjvebuli saqa-

rTvelo” sakoordinacio sabWos

muSaobaSi aqtiurad araa CarTu-

li, magram, qalbatono lela,

Tqven, rogorc gare damkvirvebe-

li, gamoricxavT, rom opoziciis

romelime frTa xelisufle-

basTan molaparakebaze wavides?

_ amqvenad gamoricxuli araferia,

magram Tu sakiTxs pragmatulad

mivudgebiT, aseTi ram dRevandeli

opoziciis warmomadgenlebs

ar unda awyobdeT!

_ ratom?

_ im saerTaSoriso fonze, rac

am xelisuflebis garSemoa Seqmnili,

romeli WkuaTmyofeli opoziciuri

partia gaTvlis da daTvlis,

rom „ocnebasTan” urTier-

Toba misTvis momgebiani iqneba?!

_ dawyvileba iqiT iyos da xom

SeiZleba, opoziciis romelime

frTasa da „ocnebas” Soris gari-

geba xelisuflebis gadabarebaze

imis sanacvlod moxdes, rom

ivaniSvilis mTavrobis wevrebma

garantiebi miiRon?

_ ivaniSvilisTvis an misi mTavrobisTvis

garantiebis micema, mxolod

da mxolod, ivaniSvils Seu-

Zlia.

_ es rogor?

_ anu es garantiebi mxolod

imaze iqneba damokidebuli, saer-

TaSoriso Tanamegobrobis, Cveni

partniorebisa da qarTuli sazogadoebis

nebas dahyvebian Tu

ara. im SemTxvevaSi, Tu winasaarCevnod

viTareba normalur kalapots

daubrundeba, yvelaferi,

rasakvirvelia, qarTuli saxelmwifos

gamarjvebiT dasruldeba

da ivaniSvilis garantiebic swored

amaSi iqneba Cadebuli. axla

iseTi fonia, rom situaciis eskalacia

opoziciis interesebSi ar

Sedis, radgan misi seriozuli

mokavSire, qarTuli sazogadoebis

udidesi nawilis garda, dasavleTicaa,

anu opoziciuri partiebi,

sazogadoeba da saerTaSoriso

partniorebi erT azrze arian.

_ diax, asea, magram, qalbatono

lela, xandaxan mgonia, rom „oc-

neba” sakuTari cudi saqmeebis

Cafarcxvas cdilobs. ai, magali-

Tad, maCalikaSvilis saqmeze specrazmelis

winaaRmdeg saqme Sewyda;

daTuna saraliZis mkvlelo-

ba ki konkretulma pirovnebam

aRiara ara da masTan saproceso gaf-

ormda, anu yvelaferi es imisTvis

xom ar keTdeba, rom xelisuflebis

Secvlis Semdeg dRevandeli

gavleniani maRalCinosneb-

is pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxi aRar

dadges da am saqmeebis xelaxali

gamoZiebis SemTxvevaSi wvrilfex-

obaze gadatydes joxi?

_ rogorc saraliZisa da maCalikaSvilis

saqmeebi ganviTarda an

rogorc axla midis procesi

giorgi ruruas, irakli oqruaSvi-

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`sazogadoebis nawili saakaSvils ver itans, nawili ki _ ivaniSvils, Tumca

saakaSvils, ivaniSvilisgan gansxvavebiT, realuri momxreebi hyavs~

lis, nika meliasa Tu nika gvaramias

garSemo, samarTlebrivad

rogor unda „gasufTavdes”? sxva-

Ta Soris, Tavis droze, girgvlianis

ambavi wvrilfexobas dabralda,

magram mas Semdeg, rac xelisufleba

Seicvala, vano merabiSvili

cixeSi xom Cajda?

_ diax, Cajda, magram wina xe-

lisuflebidan gisosebs miRma

sul ori adamiani _ merabiSvili

da baCo axalaia aRmoCnda.

_ daTa axalaiasac misjili aqvs

da soso TofuriZesac. ubralod,

gaqceulebi arian da merve welia,

qveyanaSi ver Semodian. es xalxi

wvrilfexoba ar iyo. sxvaTa Soris,

sruliad gaurkveveli da ab-

ìmisTvis, rom saqarTvelo misi strategiuli

partniori gamxdariyo, aSS-m sakmaod didi

finansuri, moraluri da aseve politikuri

mxardaWera gagviwia. is, rom dRes saqarTvelo

aSS-is startegiuli partnioria, es Cveni

ormxrivi interesia, rac aSS-is geopolitikur

interesSic Sedis. Sesabamisad, amerikelebi

ukan ar daixeven da saqarTvelosadmi,

rogorc saxelmwifosadmi, cxadia, mxardaWera

gagrZeldeba, magram es imas rodi niSnavs, rom

òcnebis~ xelisufleba aSS-dan rame tipis

dividends kidev miiRebs~

surduli, magram ganaCeni mixeil

saakaSvilzecaa damdgari. aqedan

gamomdinare, gamonaklisi es xelisufleba

ratom unda iyos?

_ cxadia, ar unda iyos, Tumca

Tu gaxsovT, ramdenime Tvis win

„evropuli saqarTvelo” gamovi-

da iniciativiT, xelisuflebis

Secvlis Semdeg Tanamdebobis yo-

fili pirebis pasuxismgeblobis

sakiTxi aRar dadgeso da am Te-

maze „nacionalur moZraobas” memorandumis

gaformebac SesTava-

za. swored aman gaaCina eWvi, rom

opoziciis nawilsa da „ocnebas”

Soris SesaZloa, faruli garige-

ba arsebobdes.

_ yvelaferi es SesaZlebelia,

magram amgvari tipis pasuxismgeblobas

sakuTar Tavze mxolod

erTi opoziciuri partia ver

aiRebs. jerjerobiT ver vxedav

iniciativas, rom am wamowyebas

sxva opoziciuri partiebic SeuerTdnen.

sxvaTa Soris, roca am

iniciativiT gamovida, giga bokeriaze

saqme aRZruli jer kidev ar

iyo.

_ bokeriaze 2013 wels aRiZra

saqme. ubralod, msvleloba ar mis-

cemia da Tarodan axla CamoiRes.

_ diax, Tqvens SeniSvnas viziareb.

mokled, ar var darwmunebuli,

am Temaze giga bokerias

igive azri hqondes!

_ qalbatono lela, saubars

ise ver movrCebiT, Tu irakli

oqruaSvilsac ar SevexeT: adrec

miTqvams, rom, Cemi azriT, „gama-

rjvebuli saqarTvelos” lideri

mxolod xelisuflebam ki ara,

opoziciamac gawira. amasobaSi ki

oqruaSvilis partiac, praqtiku-

lad, daiSala _ gubaz sanikiZe da

valeri gelbaxiani damoukideblad

moqmedeben. am partiis sax-

eliT arc Tqven aqtiurobT...

_ partiis wevri ar var da arc

vyofilvar.

_ arada, oqruaSvilis gverdiT

ideqiT.

_ diax, magram me mxolod

moZraobis damfuZnebeli viyavi da

partiis yrilobaSi monawileobac

ar mimiRia.

_ ra moxda, gundi ratom daiS-

ala?

_ is, rac SigniT moxda, gareT

Zalian kargad Cans, anu partiis

erT-erTi lideri, irakli oqruaSvili,

moZraobis dafuZnebidan

zustad Tve-naxevris Semdeg cixeSi

aRmoCnda da dRemde patimaria.

partiis wevrebi, mgoni, yovel

meore dRes irakli oqruaSvilisa

da koba koSaZis sasamarTlo procesebze

dadian, anu erTi partiidan

Tve-naxevarSi ori adamiani

daiWires. im dros partia, romelic

liderisa da finansuri resursis

gareSea darCenili, im amocanebs,

romelic moZraobis dafuZnebis

dros hqonda, Zalian

Znelad miaRwevs!

_ da es ra amocanebi iyo?

_ moZraoba „gamarjvebuli

saqarTvelos” dafuZnebisTanave

vambobdi, Cveni moZraoba ar gulisxmobs

erTi partiis gamarjvebas,

es moZraoba qarTveli xalxis gamarjvebisTvis

iqmneba-meTqi. amaSi

yvelas Tavisi funqcia hqonda,

erT-erTi RerZi ki, ra Tqma unda,

irakli oqruaSvili iyo, romelsac

partiis normaluri funqcionirebisTvis

finansuri Tu struqturuli

TvalsazrisiT unda Seewyo

xeli. samwuxarod, es ar gamovida,

Tumca erTi partiis gamarjveba

an argamarjveba im suraTs,

romelic opoziciur erTobaSia,

ar cvlis. am erTobaSi ki partiis

wevrebi, igive kote kemularia da,

ramdenadac vici, guram CalagaSvilic,

monawileoben.

mokled, miuxedavad imisa, me an

romelime lideri vrCebiT Tu ara

partiaSi, an partiaSi arsebuli

rTuli viTareba, romelic irakli

oqruaSvilis dapatimrebiT

Seiqmna, xels ver SeuSlis saerTo

opoziciur da qarTuli saxelmwifos

gamarjvebas, radgan „gamarjvebulma

saqarTvelom”, xanmokle

arsebobis miuxedavad, sakmaod

didi kontribucia Seitana am gamarjvebaSi

da es aris ori politikuri

patimari _ irakli oqruaSvili

da koba koSaZe. politpatimrebis

Tema ki is sabediswero

lodia „qarTuli ocnebisTvis”,

ramac mas niRabi sabolood Camoxsna

da Cveni saerTaSoriso partniorebisTvis

am xelisuflebis

realuri saxe naTeli gaxada!

_ e. i., qalbatono lela, oqru-

aSvilis politikur gundTan

Tqveni gaigiveba ukve aRar Sei-

Zleba?

_ diax, asea.

_ aRarc moZraoba „gamarjve-

buli saqarTvelos” wevri xarT?

_ moZraobis damfuZnebeli var,

wevri _ ara. weRandeli Tqmisa ar

iyos, viTareba irakli oqruaSvilis

dapatimrebis Semdeg Zalian

Seicvala.

_ opoziciis e. w. mrgval magidaSi

pirovnulad xom ar monaw-

ileobT?

_ ara. jer damkvirveblis roli

maqvs _ opozicias vuyureb.

garkveuli tipis diskusiebSi vmonawileob,

Tumca sajarod _ ara.

dro jer kidev aris, rom gadawyvetileba

miviRo. erTi sityviT,

politikur procesebSi CarTuli

var, magram es imas ar niSnavs, rom

am wuTas Cemi afilireba romelime

partiasTan SeiZleba!

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saqarTvelos

salome zurabiSvilma saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobas ganucxada,

rom misi damsmeli xelisufleba mzadaa, daarRvios kanoni

okupaciis Sesaxeb da saqarTveloSi ruseTis sagareo saqme-

Ta ministrs umaspinZlos. am gancxadebam sazogadoebaze

mwvaved imoqmeda. sergei lavrovi qarTvelebis dauZinebeli

mteria da misi TanaavtorobiT kremlma yvelaferi gaakeTa,

rom afxazeTi da cxinvalis regioni saqarTvelosTvis waerT-

mia. erovnuli moZraobis erT-erTi lideri Tamar CxeiZe miiCnevs,

rom dauSvebelia saqarTveloSi sergei lavrovis Camos-

vla. misi TqmiT, es viziti imaze mwvave reaqcias gamoiwvevs,

rac „gavrilovis Rames” moxda. CxeiZis gancxadebiT, am avad-

saxsenebeli Ramis Semdeg saqarTveloSi bevri rame Seicvala

da sazogadoeba rusul orbitaze dabrunebas aRar dauSvebs.


prezidentma

`qarTulma

Tamar CxeiZe:

ratom arian „ocnebis” wevrebi

agresiulebi? ra mizans emsax-

ureba saqarTveloSi lavrovis

viziti? rodis Semoagdo moskovma

ivaniSvili qarTul politika-

Si? ratom weren amerikelebi

mwvave werilebs? _ am Temebze

Tamar CxeiZe „qronika+~-s es-

aubreba:

_ salome zurabiSvilma ga-

nacxada, rom saqarTvelo mzadaa,

gverdi auaros mis mierve miRe-

bul kanons okupaciis Sesaxeb da

sergei lavrovs TbilisSi umaspinZlos.

ras niSnavs zurabiSvi-

lis es gancxadeba?

_ saqarTvelos xelisufleba

upasuxismgeblo gancxadebebs

xSirad akeTebs. am mxriv salome

zurabiSvili aSkarad gamor-

Ceulia. siStereebis Tqma misi

damaxasiaTebeli Tvisebaa. lavrovTan

dakavSirebiT gakeTebuli

gancxadeba yovelgvar zRvars

scildeba. rogor SeiZleba, mkve-

Trad gamoxatuli antiqarTuli

ganwyobis ministrze, saqarTvelos

regionebis _ afxazeTisa da

cxinvalis regionis _ okupaciis

Tanaavtorze Tqva, rom mas TbilisSi

vumaspinZlebT da amis gamo

mzad varT, okupaciis Sesaxeb kanons

gverdi avuaroT?! garda imisa,

rom sergei lavrovis aq SemoSvebiT

dairRveva kanoni okupaciis

Sesaxeb, es politikuradac yovelnairad

gaumarTlebeli iqneba.

sergei lavrovis saqarTvelos

teritoriaze Semosvla niSnavs,

rom ruseTma Tavis mizans miaRwia

da warmatebiT daasrula is

operacia, rasac am wlebis man-

Zilze axorcielebda Cvens qveyanasTan

mimarTebiT.

_ ra operacias gulisxmobT?

_ kremli saqarTvelos dRevandel

xelisuflebasTan erTad

cdilobs, rom Cveni mosaxleoba

okupacias Seaguos. amas unda Seaguos

saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobac.

Cven Tu okupaciaze xmas

ar amoviRebT, cxadia, arc dasavleTi

gaaprotestebs amas. Cven ar

gvaqvs imis ufleba, rom okupaciis

Tanaavtori aq SemovuSvaT. okupanti

qveynis sagareo saqmeTa

ministris saqarTveloSi miReba

danaSaulia!

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom salome

zurabiSvils siStereebis Tqma

axasiaTebso, magram lavrovTan

dakavSirebiT rac Tqva, es, al-

baT, wamocdena ar yofila da

yvelaferi biZina ivaniSvilTan

SeaTanxma. Tqven ras ityviT?

_ salome zurabiSvils siStereebisa

da ucnaurobebis Tqma

axasiaTebs, magram es marTla ar

iyo wamocdena. unda iTqvas, rom

arc mis mier naTqvami sxva siStereebia

wamocdena. misi yvela gancxadeba,

maT Soris, ucnauri gancxadebebic,

saerTo xazSi jdeba.

im xazSi, romelsac biZina ivaniSvili

atarebs. es antierovnuli

da prorusuli xazi gaxlavT.

_ qarTvelebisgan gansxvave-

biT, rusi politikosebi salome

zurabiSvilis gancxadebas pozi-

tiurad Sexvdnen.

_ ra Tqma unda, miesalmebodnen.

maT miiRes signali, rom saqarTvelo

okupacias egueba. gavrilovi

Zalian kmayofili iyo,

romelic Riad miesalma zurabiSvilis

gancxadebas da Tqva, rom,

bolos da bolos, saqarTvelom

daiwyo damoukidebeli politikis

warmoebao. moskovSi gakeTebuli

gancxadebebi ar gamkvirvebia,

saqarTvelos prezidentma,

faqtobrivad, mxari dauWira imas,

risTvisac rusebi didi xania,

ibrZvian. kremli gansakuTrebuli

mondomebiT muSaobs imaze, rom

qarTuli miwebis mitaceba Cveulebriv,

yoveldRiur ambad aqcios.

rusi politikosebi xSirad

amboben, rom saqarTvelo axal

realobas unda Seeguos. es maTi

nomer pirveli amocanaa saqarTvelosTan

mimarTebiT.

_ rusebi Cveni prezidentis

gancxadebiT ki iyvnen kmayofil-

ebi, magram zogierT bolomde ar

dakmayofilda. magaliTad, leonid

kalaSnikovma qarTvelebi-

sgan bodiSis moxda moiTxova.

amaze ras ityviT?

_ esec bunebrivi gamovlinebaa.

rodesac kremli xedavs, rom

saqarTvelo daTmobaze midis, is

ufro mets iTxovs Cvengan. rac

mets daTmob, ruseTi miT mets

iTxovs, es kremlis Tvisebaa. prorusuli

orientaciis politikosebi

xSirad gveubnebian, rom

ruseTi ar unda gavaRizianoT.

maTi mtkicebiT, moskovis gaRizianeba

saSiSia, radganac is agresiiT

mogvibrundeba. sinamdvileSi

ki sruliad sapirispiro xdeba

xolme. istoriam gviCvena, rom

rac mets dauTmob ruseTs, is

ufro agresiuli xdeba. es yvela

agresorisTvis damaxasiaTebeli

Tvisebaa. garwmunebT, qarTuli

politika ruseTis mimarT xisti

da Tanmimdevruli rom iyos,

kremli ufro male Seegueba, rom

mas saqarTvelos teritoriebis

deokupacia mouwevs.

_ rus politikosebs Cveni misamarTiT

araerTi binZuri gancx-

adeba gaukeTebiaT, magram

„qarTul ocnebas” es gancxade-

bebi ar SeumCnevia, aRSfoTebaze

aRarafers vambob. samagierod,

axla gadairivnen da mzad arian,

kongresi daarbion iqidan mosu-

li kritikuli werilebis gamo.

_ Zalian gabrazebulebi arian,

amboben, partniorebs Soris ase-

Ti toniT laparaki miuRebeliao.

arada, amerikeli kongresmenebi

zustad imitom gvweren aseT wer-

ìvaniSvili

rusebs rezervSi,

jer kidev,

SevardnaZis

dros hyavdaT~

ilebs, rom Cvens partniorebad

miiCneven Tavs. maTi mizania, mTel

msoflioSi da, maT Soris, saqar-

TveloSic, procesebi demokratiulad

mimdinareobdes. mivesalmebi,

rom amerikas guli Sestkiva

qarTul demokratiaze. maT kritikuli

werilebis gamo ki ar

unda vusayveduroT, aramed madloba

unda gadavuxadoT.

aSkaraa, rom saqarTvelos xelisuflebam

dasavlur kurss

gadauxvia. misi SeCereba qarTuli

sazogadoebis protestis gareSe

SeuZlebelia, magram am brZolaSi

Zalian mniSvnelovania dasavle-

Tis mxardaWera. dasavleTsa da,

pirvel rigSi, amerikas, angariSgasawevi

berketebi aqvs, rom saqarTvelos

xelisuflebaze zewola

ganaxorcielos.

_ rodesac „ocnebis” lidere-

bi amerikelebs tons uwuneben,

imas ratom iviwyeben, ramdeni

miliardi daxarja am qveyanam

saqarTvelos ganviTarebisTvis?

qarTuli jari, faqtobrivad,

maTi daxmarebiT Seiqmna. Tundac

es ar aris sakmarisi mizezi saimisod,

rom amerikelebi dainter-

esdnen imiT, rac dRes saqarTve-

loSi xdeba?

_ ra Tqma unda. amerikas amxela

daxmareba rom ar hqondes

CvenTvis gaweuli, mainc veravin

aukrZalavda mas sakuTari azris

gamoxatvas. sakuTari poziciis

dafiqsirebis ufleba yvelas aqvs.

amerikam miliardebi Cado imisTvis,

rom saqarTvelo demokratiuli

da damoukidebeli qveyana

yofiliyo. aqedan gamomdinare,

`salome zurabiSvils siStereebisa da

ucnaurobebis Tqma axasiaTebs, magram es

marTla ar iyo wamocdena. unda iTqvas, rom

arc mis mier naTqvami sxva siStereebia

wamocdena. misi yvela gancxadeba, maT Soris,

ucnauri gancxadebebic, saerTo xazSi jdeba. im

xazSi, romelsac biZina ivaniSvili atarebs. es

antierovnuli da prorusuli xazi gaxlavT~

maTTvis kategoriulad

miuRebelia, rom saqarTvelo

rusul wiaRs daubrundes,

rogorc orientaciiT, aseve _

ganviTarebis formiT.

_ amerikelebi aRniSnaven, rom

saqarTveloze putinis gavlenebi

gaZlierda. Cveni xelisufle-

bac xSirad mimarTavs rusul

meTodebs. Tqveni azriT, vems-

gavsebiT ruseTs?

_ samwuxarod, ruseTisken gvaqvs

gezi aRebuli. es gezi maSinve

aviReT, rodesac xelisuflebis

saTaveSi biZina ivaniSvili movida.

me xSirad momismenia mosazrebebi,

rom „ocnebis” lideri Tavidan

prodasavluri iyo da Semdeg

iZulebuli gaxda, ruseTisken

aeRo gezi. ivaniSvili prodasavluri

arasdros yofila. is adamianebi,

romlebic amas amboben, amiT

imis gamarTlebas cdiloben, rom

misgan fuls iRebdnen.

biZina ivaniSvili yovelTvis

ruseTis davalebebs asrulebda.

qarTul politikaSic moskovis

miTiTebiT Semovida. is rusebs

rezervSi, jer kidev, eduard

SvardnaZis dros hyavdaT. alagebdnen

situacias, esec urigebda

sazogadoebis nawils fuls da

ase cdilobda, masze legendebi

gavrcelebuliyo, rom is iyo

qvelmoqmedi. 2011 wels man Riad

Tqva, politikaSi movdivaro. da

es moskovidan rom ar yofiliyo

nebadarTuli, mas ruseTidan

miliardebs aravin gamoatanda.

rogor SeiZleba, ivaniSvilze

vTqvaT, rom is odesme prodasavluri

orientaciis iyo?! sayovelTaod

cnobilia, rom is „gazpromis”

aqcioneria. xelisuflebaSi

mosvlamde man araerTi

mkveTrad prorusuli gancxadeba

gaakeTa. marto am gancxadebebiT

SeiZleboda imis gansazRvra, Tu

ra orientaciis iyo is. gansakuTrebiT

aRniSvnis Rirsia agvistos

omTan dakavSirebiT gakeTebuli

misi gancxadeba. is amtkicebda,

rom 2008 wels omi ruseTs ar

dauwyia. misi TqmiT, rusebis nasrolma

Wurvma raRac kedeli daangria

da saqarTvelom amaze daiwyo

omio. pirdapir gveubneboda,

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ocnebam~ aiSva~

rom saqarTvelo ruseTsa da dasavleTs

Soris dabrkolebas ar

unda warmoadgendes. mogviwodebda,

okupaciaze rac SeiZleba, naklebi

vilaparakoTo.

aqedan gamomdinare, rogor

SeiZleba imis Tqma, rom es adamiani

odesme prodasavluri orientaciis

iyo?! ubralod, is da misi

gundi xelisuflebaSi mosvlamde

Riad ar uWerdnen mxars ruseTs.

axla ukve aRarafers malaven. axla

aRarc sazogadoebas epareba

eWvi imaSi, rom „qarTuli ocnebis”

gza ruseTSi midis da misTvis

dasavluri Rirebulebebi ucxoa.

_ Tqveni azriT, Seegueba qar-

Tuli sazogadoeba xelisufleb-

`kremli saqarTvelos dRevandel xelisuflebasTan erTad cdilobs, rom

Cveni mosaxleoba okupacias Seaguos. amas unda Seaguos saerTaSoriso

Tanamegobrobac. Cven Tu okupaciaze xmas ar amoviRebT, cxadia, arc

dasavleTi gaaprotestebs amas. Cven ar gvaqvs imis ufleba, rom okupaciis

is mier arCeul rusul kurss?

Tanaavtori aq SemovuSvaT. okupanti qveynis sagareo saqmeTa ministris

_ amaze prognozis gakeTeba

saqarTveloSi miReba danaSaulia!~

miWirs. Cveni sazogadoeba xSirad

iseTi dune da inertulia, rom

adamiani sasowarkveTaSi SeiZleba

Cavarde. Cvens xalxs bevr rameze

ar aqvs reaqcia, magram zogjer

dgeba wuTebi, roca es reaqcia

ifeTqebs xolme da Tanac Zalian

mwvaved. ase ifeTqa xalxma „gavrilovis

Rames”. rusul kurss Cveni

xalxi mxars ar dauWers da

vimedovneb, rom Tu sergei lavrovi

Camova, amas saTanadod

gaaprotestebs.

_ lavrovis aq mopatiJeba

raime provokaciis nawili xom ar

aris, romelsac „ocneba” da

moskovi erTad awyoben?

_ arafris gamoricxva ar Sei-

Zleba. ruseTi yvelaferze wava,

rom saqarTvelos xelisufleba-

Si maT mier marTuli Zala darCes.

ras gabedavs ruseTi, es saer-

TaSoriso Tanamegobrobis reaqciebze

iqneba damokidebuli. mniSvnelovan

roli ekisreba qarTul

sazogadoebasac.

_ opoziciaze ras gvetyviT _

Tve-naxevari daisvenes da formidan

xom ar iqnebian amovardniguron.

„qarTul ocnebas” uyvars

9 welze saubari. im 9 wlis man-

Zilze bevri mkvleloba moxda,

bevrjer daaSava im xelisuflebam,

magram maCalikaSvilis saqme

umZimesia. adamianebs ojaxSi Seuvardnen

da mZinare bavSvi mokles

loginSi. amas verc erTi darRveva

da Zaladoba ver gadawonis.

calke saubris Temaa, Tu rogor

eqcevian malxaz maCalikaSvils.

yvelafers akeTeben, rom isedac

ganadgurebul ojaxs bolo mou-

Ron. malxaz maCalikaSvils aqciebis

dros gverdiT edga misi

ZmisSvili, romelic „gavrilovis

Ramis” saqmezea dakavebuli. es

biWi politpatimaria.

_ maCalikaSvili parlamentSi

ar SeuSves, im SenobaSi Sesvlaze

uTxres uari, sadac qarTvelebis

mteri gavrilovi spikeris savarZelSi

wamoaskupes. gia vol-

skis TqmiT, maCalikaSvili arc

erT saxelmwifo dawesebulebaSi

ar unda SeuSvan.

_ is gancxadeba, rac gia volskim

gaakeTa, aris absoluturad

miuRebeli. es gancxadebac metyvelebs

imaze, rom arsebuli xelisufleba

araadekvaturia da am

ojaxs ebrZvis. maCalikaSvilebs

araerTi provokacia mouwyves.

misi danaSauli mxolod isaa, rom

Svilis mkvlelobis gamoZiebas

iTxovs. xom SeiZleba viRacam aRiaros,

rom is bavSvi SecdomiT

mokles?! aRiarebas vin Civis, loginSi

Cakluli bavSvi teroristad

gamoacxades. teroristad

acxadeben mamamissac. saparlamento

umravlesobis erT-erTi lideri

volski ambobs, rom es adamiani

teroristebTan aris kav-

SirSi da is saxelmwifo dawesebulebebSi

ar unda SeuSvan.

_ volski vaxseneT da mis ga-

ncxadebebze minda gkiTxoT: „ocnebaSi”

es adamiani yvelaze gawo-

nasworebuli iyo. axla is Zalian

agresiuli gaxda da ra daemar-

Ta, ratom veRar uwevs Tavs kon-

trols?

_ volskis agresiulobam aSkara

progresi ganicada, Tumca arc

adre yofila gansakuTrebulad

mSvidi. is yovelTvis emsaxureboda

reaqciul Zalebs. rogorc amboben,

„kagebesTanac” hqonda kav-

Siri. adre Tavis agresias malavda,

axla aiSva. arc aris gasakviri

_ „ocnebas” kritikuli wuTebi

udgas. man SeiZleba, Zalaufleba

dakargos.

volskis garda zedmeti agresiuloba

daetyo „ocnebis” danar-

Cen wevrebsac. grZnoben dasasrulis

moaxloebas da privilegiebis

dakargva ar surT. is represiebi,

rasac axla „qarTuli ocneba”

axorcielebs, 21-e saukunisTvis

sruliad Seuferebeli da miuRebelia.

axla stalinis epioqa rom

iyos, garwmunebT, cixeSi ki ar

gauSvebdnen xalxs, aramed pirdapir

daxvretdnen. faqtobrivad,

daxvretas usjian am adamianebs,

oRond es ganaCeni drosTan aris

adaptirebuli.

li? SeZleben xelisuflebisTvis

_ Tqven stalinis epoqas Sead-

`maCalikaSvils gansakuTrebulad ebrZvis

winaaRmdegobis gawevas?

areT dRevandeli xelisufleb-

`qarTuli ocneba~. arafers eridebian da

_ amovardnilia Tu ara opozi-

is qmedebebi. wlebis manZilze

cia formidan, am dReebSi vnaxavT.

yvelafers kadruloben, rom es kaci

ebrZodiT sabWoTa sistemas da

maTi formaSi yofna mniSvnelov-

gaanadguron. `qarTul ocnebas~ uyvars 9 welze

ra rCevas miscemdiT axalgazrdnad

damokidebulia xalxze. sazogadoebaSi

sakmarisi aqtivoba

Tu ar iqna, marto opozicia sak-

saubari. im 9 wlis manZilze bevri mkvleloba

moxda, bevrjer daaSava im xelisuflebam,

magram maCalikaSvilis saqme umZimesia.

ebs, romlebic, faqtobrivad, sabWoTa

sistemas ebrZvian? „ocnebam”,

samwuxarod, ukan dagvmarisi

ar aris. erTad moqmedebaa

adamianebs ojaxSi Seuvardnen da mZinare bavSvi

abruna.

saWiro. sxvanairad Sedegis miRweva

Zneli iqneba.

rCevis gareSec kargad akeTeben

Zaladoba ver gadawonis~

_ parlamentis mimdebare ter-

saqmes. mTavaria, im principebidan

_ bevrs arafers vurCev, Cemi

mokles loginSi. amas verc erTi darRveva da

itoriis SemoRobvaze ras

ar gadauxvion, romelzedac mTe-

fiqrobT?

li opozicia SeTanxmebulia. am

_ es xelisuflebis ugunurebaze

miuTiTebs. Tavisi WkuiT is

adgili SemoRobes, sadac opozicia

aqciebs marTavda. bevri xalxi

Tu iqna, es Robe ver daicavs xelisuflebas.

_ es Robe mxolod opoziciis

winaaRmdeg ar aRumarTavT. amiT

malxaz maCalikaSvilsac mouspes

protestis gamoxatvis saSuale-

ba. misi karvebi swored am teri-

toriaze idga.

_ maCalikaSvils gansakuTrebulad

ebrZvis „qarTuli ocneba”.

arafers eridebian da yvelafers

kadruloben, rom es kaci gaanad-

brZolaSi mTavari demokratiuli

Rirebulebebis dacvaa da ara _

Zalauflebis xelSi Cagdeba.

_ am brZolaSi gansakuTrebul

aqtiurobas iCenen axalgazrde-

bi, rac, albaT, mniSvnelovania.

aqamde Cveni axalgazrdoba quCa-

Si gamosvlisgan Tavs ikavebda.

_ am bolo wlebSi saqarTvelo-

Si kargi, faqtobrivad, araferi

momxdara. erTaderTi _ axalgazrda

Taobam win wamoiwia. politikur

procesebSi maTi CarTva

Zalian didi movlenaa. maT gaaqtiurebas

did mniSvnelobas vani-

Web da mjera, rom axalgazrdebis

N3 (305) 4.02-10.02.2020 w.

brZola aucileblad gamoiRebs

Sedegs.

_ es axalgazrdebi Tu SeZle-

ben dRevandeli politikosebis

Canacvlebas? qarTul politika-

Si 30 welia, rac erTi da igive

saxeebi trialeben.

_ saboloo jamSi, erTi Taoba

aucileblad Caanacvlebs meores,

oRond Canacvleba xelovnuri ar

unda iyos.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ es Canacvleba winaswar dagegmili

procesi ar unda iyos, aramed

_ bunebrivi. visac ramdeni

SeuZlia, imdeni gaiRos da imdeni

gaakeTos. mere bunebrivad Seicvleba

Taobebi. erTi xelis mosmiT

imaTi gayra da axalgazrdebis

moyvana kargi ar iqneba.

_ am kviraSi opozicia aqciebs

ganaaxlebs. SeZleben isini miznis

miRwevas? gulze momxvda Tqveni

fraza, rom xSirad Cveni xalxi

Zalian inertuliao. xalxis mxardaWeris

gareSe ki Sedegis miR-

weva warmoudgenelia.

_ vimeoreb, rom Cveni xalxi

Zalian xSirad aris inertuli da

iseT rameebze ar reagirebs, razedac

sxvebs mwvave reaqcia aqvT. am

Tvisebidan gamomdiobare, Zalian

miWirs imis prognozireba, ras

izams axla Cveni sazogadoeba.

imedi maqvs, sazogadoebas am yvelaferze

reaqcia eqneba. rogorc

ukve giTxariT, „gavrilovis Ramis”

Semdeg bevri rame Seicvala.

Cveni sazogadoeba ukve sxvanairad

uyurebs movlenebs.

_ am Ramis Semdeg marto Cveni

sazogadoeba ar Secvlila, Seicvala

dasavleTis damokide-

bulebac. amerikidan „qarTuli

ocneba” lamis yoveldRe Rebu-

lobs mwvave werilebs.

_ dasavleTi saqarTvelos mimarT

yuradRebas rom iCens, amas

mxolod mivesalmebi. es Zalian

kargia. ar maxsovs, aseTi mwvave

tipis gancxadebebi odesme gaekeTebinos

dasavleTs saqarTvelos

xelisuflebasTan mimarTebiT.

dasavleTSi gakeTebuli gancxadebebidan

naTlad Cans, rom

maT saqarTveloSi demokratiuli

procesebis ganviTareba surT.

isic naTelia, rom dasavleTi mxars

uWers arsebuli xelisuflebis

Canacvlebas. aseTi mxardaWera

qarTul opozicias arasdros

hqonia. Sesabamisi aqtivoba Tu

iqneba, Sedegsac vixilavT.

yvelam gaigos, rom dasavleTis

mxardaWera Zalian mniSvnelovania,

magram Cvens gasakeTebels sxva ver

gaakeTebs. xalxma da opoziciam

Zalian unda iaqtiuros. xelisufleba

Tavdajerebulia rom am

arCevnebs moigebs, magram ar iqneba

es ioli. yvela kvleviT maT

20%-ze meti mxardaWera ar aqvT.

Tumca iseTi kanonmdebloba gvaqvs,

rom xelisuflebas SeuZlia,

arCevnebze miRebuli 20% 60%-ad

aqcios. „qarTuli ocneba” arc

axla ityvis uars imaze, rom arCevnebi

gaayalbos. amaSi maT, pirvel

rigSi, xalxma da opoziciam unda

SeuSalos xeli. dauSvebelia, xelisuflebis

saTaveSi darCes is

Zala, romelic saqarTvelos ruseTisken

miaqanebs. amas mmarTveli

partia ukve aRar malavs. amaze

miuTiTebs salome zurabiSvilis

gancxadebebi, romelmac qarTuli

miwebis okupaciis Tanaavtori

TbilisSi moiwvia.

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rogor unda aRmoifxvras jan-

dacvaSi arsebuli problemebi?

mzad aris Tu ara Cveni qveyana

imisTvis, rom koronavirusis

gavrcelebis, minimum, prevencia

moaxdinos? ra xdeba opoziciaSi

da ratom ebrZvis ivaniSvili

saakaSvils gaveSebuli? _ am da

sxva saintereso Temebze Cveni

gamocema manana jebaSvils es-

aubra:

_ qalbatono manana, vinaidan

mTel msoflios koronavirusi

akeria pirze, Cvenc saubari am

TemiT unda daviwyoT,

miT

umetes, rom eqimi xarT. mokled,

Tqveni SefasebiT, saqarTvelos

21-e saukunis es „Wiri” emuqreba

Tu ara da, saerTod, saxelmwifo

am gamowvevisTvis mzadaa?

_ bunebaSi virusebis didi jgufia,

maT Sorisaa, koronavirusebi.

saerTod, adamianisa da aseve

cxovelebis koronavirusebic arsebobs.

zogjer cxovelis koronavirusi

adamianze gadadis.

swored ase moxda 2002 wels honkongSi,

roca koronavirusi mTel

msoflioSi gavrcelda da 800 adamiani

gardaicvala. sxvaTa Soris,

garadcvlilTa ricxvi SesaZloa,

amaze metic iyo, magram mxolod

amdeni aRiricxa. 2012 wels igive

ganmeorda saudis arabeTSic da

maSinac koronavirusi mTel msoflios

moedo. axlac CineTSi koronavirusi

adamianze cxovelidan

gadavida da ukve 24 qveyanaSia

gavrcelebuli. mokled, rogorc

mogexsenebaT, es problema jandacvis

msoflio organizaciam

jandacvis globalur safrTxed

gamoacxada. am droisTvis gardacvlilia

ukve samasamde adamiani.

imisTvis, rom koronavirusi

saqarTveloSic ar gavrceldes,

jandacvis msoflio organizaciis

yvela rekomendaciis Sesruleba

aucilebelia. amasTan, getyviT,

rom Cveni qveyana am gamowvevis-

Tvis, veWvob, mzad araa.

_ amas ratom ambobT?

_ ai, magaliTad, SarSan Cveulebrivi

gripis viruss ver umklavdebodnen

_ ambulatoriebSi virusiani

pacientebis rigebi idga,

rasac pirbadeebis deficitic

daemata. yvelafer aqedan gamomdinare,

qveyanaSi pandemiis safr-

Txe rom ar gaCndes, jobia, jandacvis

msoflio organizaciis

yvela rekomendacia axlave davicvaT.

_ qalbatono manana, panikis

safuZveli gvaqvs?

_ 2002 da 2012 wlebSi am virusis

gavrcelebas gansakuTrebuli

panika ar mohyolia, magram Sesa-

Zloa, axla ufro Zlieri Stami

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`biZinam icis, rom miSa mas daamarcxebs

mmarTveli gundi Tavs iwonebs,

giorgi abaSiZe

rom 2012 wlis saparlamento arCevnebis

Semdeg saqarTvelos nebis-

mieri moqalaqisTvis jandacva xelmisawvdomia, Tumca dargis

specialistebi ase ar fiqroben da amboben, rom „ocnebam” jan-

dacvis sfero daasamara! vin aris qarTuli jandacvis mesaflave

_ jandacvisa da socialuri uzrunvelyofis amJamindeli minis-

tri ekaterine tikaraZe Tu misi winamorbedi, daviT sergeenko?

_ „nacionaluri moZraobis” wevri, yofili deputati manana je-

baSvili, romelic, amavdroulad, strategia „aRmaSeneblis” jan-

dacvis programaSicaa CarTuli, „qronika+~-sTan ambobs, rom me-

saflavis „tituls” mxolod tikaraZes ver mivaniWebT, Tumca

man jandacvas „sakontrolo gasrola” namdvilad daaWeda!

iyos, Tumca amis Sesaxeb naklebi

informacia arsebobs. Sesabamisad,

imis Tqma, panikis safuZveli unda

gvqondes Tu ara, Zalian rTulia.

asea Tu ise, umjobesia, zedmeti

sifrTxile gamoviCinoT da qveyana

davicvaT, vidre is, rom es ambavi

zereled gavataroT da vTqvaT,

araferiao.

_ Cvens saxelmwifos Tundac

prevenciuli RonisZiebebis gasa-

tareblad unari Seswevs?

_ ai, swored amaSi mepareba

eWvi, anu pandemiis SemTxvevaSi,

meeWveba, saxelmwifom yvelafer

amis marTva SeZlos, miT umetes,

gagaxseneT, SarSan, Cveulebrivi

gripis gavrcelebis dros, qveyana

ra mdgomareobaSic aRmoCnda.

meSinia, axlac igive ar ganmeordes

da amitom sifrTxilis zomebi

Tavidanve unda miviRoT.

_ sxvaTa Soris, albaT, gaxs-

ovT, „nacionaluri moZraobis”

mmarTvelobis dros, jandacvis

maSindelma ministrma, lado

WipaSvilma, naaxalwlevs mTeli

eri dagvzafra, „qaTmis grips”

veravin gadavurCebiTo. am mxriv

ekaterine tikaraZe TavSekavebu-

lia, metic, jandacvis ministrs

koronavirusze gancxadebac ar

gaukeTebia. amas riT xsniT?

_ kargia, rom jandacvis ministri

koronavirusze specialur

gancxadebebs Tavad ki ar akeTebs,

aramed ufro kompetentur amiran

gamyreliZesa da paata imnaZes

akeTebinebs. rac Seexeba lado

WipaSvilis gancxadebas, romelic

gaixseneT, is konteqstidan amoglejili

fraza iyo. saerTod,

panikis Seqmna mizanSewonili araa,

magram mosaxleobis gafrTxileba

aucilebelia.

_ zogadad, bevri medikosisgan

momismenia, tikaraZem jandacva

moklao. Tqvenc ase fiqrobT?

_ simarTle giTxraT, jandacvis

sistemis dasamarebas mxolod

tikaraZes ver davabralebT,

Tumca man sakontrolo gasrola

namdvilad ganaxorciela!

zogadad, „ocnebis” jandacvis

sistema Tavidanve araswori iyo,

anu reforma sabiujeto Tanxebis

gamoyofas mxolod hospitaluri

seqtorisTvis iTvaliswinebda,

Tan dafinansebisa da marTvis

araswori modeliT. yvelaferma

aman xarjebis geometriuli progresiiT

zrda gamoiwvia. amas garda,

ar moxda pirveladi jandacvis

rgolis gaZliereba, medikamentebisadmi

xelmisawvdomobis gazrda,

eleqtronuli jandacvis danergva

da a. S.

_ ambobT, tikaraZem „sakontr-

olo gasrola” ganaxorcielao

manana jebaSvili:

èkaterine

tikaraZem

jandacvis

sistemis mimarT

sakontrolo

gasrola

ganaxorciela!~

da ras gulisxmobT, qalbatono

manana?

_ magaliTad, 520-e dadgenileba

„sakontrolo gasrola” namdvilad

iyo. amas garda, sxva programebic

realurad deficituria,

rac saboloo dasamarebaa.


e. w. sayovelTao jandacva maisam-

de Sewyda. amis Sesaxeb ra iciT

da, saerTod, ufaso jandacvis

programam qveyanas rame sikeTe

moutana?

_ konstituciiT, janmrTelobis

ufleba yvela adamians aqvs,

rac imas niSnavs, rom mkurnalobis

gareSe aravin unda darCes.

adamianebisTvis, romlebsac amis

saWiroeba aqvT, diaxac, jandacva

ufaso unda iyos. mTavaria, saxelmwifom

es programa xarjefeqtianad,

anu swori dafinansebis

modeliT ganaxorcielos. erTi

sitviT, e. w. ufaso jandacva cudi

namdvilad araa da sikeTe moaqvs,

oRond ara aseTi formiTa da

modeliT, roca xarjebi kolosalurad

izrdeba, sinamdvileSi ki

gaumjobesebas ver viRebT, e. i.,

daavadebis maCvenebeli ar mcirdeba.

arada, biujetis lamis erTi

mesamedi swored jandacvaze midis,

magram zogierT nozologia-

Si avadoba da sikvdilianoba gazrdilia!

_ „ocneba” „ce” hepatitis

progra

gramiTac amayobda, Tumca

rogorc gairkva, medikamentebs

vada gauvida da gadayares. amis

gamo sergeenkos pasuxismgeblo-

bis sakiTxi unda dadges Tu ara?

_ „ce” hepatitis programiT

jandacvis saministrom ki ara, im

qarTvelma eqimebma unda iamayon,

romelTa kiserzec am programis

warmatebiT Sesrulebam, ase vTqvaT,

gadaiara! amasTan, madloba

aSS-is mTavrobasac unda vuTxraT,

rom es programa daafinansa. Cvenma

jandacvis saministrom ki isic

ver moaxerxa, rom pacientebi programaSi

CaerTo. yvelafer amas

mravalmilioniani preparatebis

gadayra moyva, Tumca am zaralis

`ce~ hepatitis programiT jandacvis

saministrom ki ara, im qarTvelma eqimebma

unda iamayon, romelTa kiserzec am programis

warmatebiT Sesrulebam, ase vTqvaT, gadaiara!

amasTan, madloba aSS-is mTavrobasac unda

vuTxraT, rom es programa daafinansa~

miuxedavad, samarTlebrivad, sergeenkos

pasuxismgebloba, vfiqrob,

ver dadgeba, magram kanonis

winaSe pasuxs yvela erTnairad

agebs.

_ ukacravad, sergeenkos pa-

suxismgeblobis sakiTxi ratom

ver dadgeba?

_ amxela zaralis miuxedavad,

Cemi azriT, ar arsebobs muxli,

romliTac SesaZloa, sergeenko

gasamarTldes. aq imazea saubari,

rom man masze dakisrebuli valdebulebebi

ver Seasrula. imas ki

namdvilad ver vityvi, korufcias

hqonda Tu ara adgili _ es didi

ciliswamebaa.

_ qalbatono manana, rogorc

vici, aqtiurad xarT CarTuli

„strategia aRmaSeneblis” jan-

dacvis programaSi. opozicia

jandacvis sferos gajansaRebas

rogor apirebs?

_ saamisod mTeli koncefcia

arsebobs: mTavari, rac unda

moxdes, pirveladi jandacvis ga-

Zliereba, daavadebaTa prevencia

da profilaqtikaa. mogexsenebaT,

adreul stadiaze aRmoCenili

daavadeba araTu advilad gankurnebadia,

aramed mcire danaxarjebsac

moiTxovs. amas garda,

saWiroa, rom saxelmwifo programebi

ufro moqnili da efeqtiani

gaxdes. medikamentebze xelmisawvdomobac

unda gaizardos.

ai, magaliTad, TurqeTSi ukeTesi

xarisxis wamlebi gacilebiT iafia,

vidre _ saqarTveloSi. yvelafer

amis paralelurad, eleqtronuli

jandacvac unda dainergos, jandacvis

dafinansebisa da marTvis

sistema ki ufro progresuli da

dasavleTis qveynebSi aprobirebuli

modeliT Seicvalos. es Cveni

koncefciis ZiriTadi Tezisebia

da TiToeul punqtze saubari

dausruleblad SeiZleba.

_ mesmis, magram martivad

miTxariT, yvelaferi es ganxor-

cielebadia, qalbatono manana?

_ ra Tqma unda. sxvaTa Soris,

2003 wels, pirveladi jandacvis

programis ganxorcieleba imis

gamo ver daviwyeT, rom saxelmwifo

biujeti sul 500 milioni

iyo, magram axla, roca amxela biujetia,

pirveladi jandacvis

programa aucilebelia, radgan

amiT, yvelafers Tavi rom dav-

20 N3 (305) 4.02-10.02.2020 w.


_ amitomac ebrZvis gaveSebuli!~

aneboT, xarjebi, rac geometriuli

progresiiT izrdeba, daizogeba!

erTi sityviT, pirveladi jandacva

yvelaze idealuri formaa,

romelic qveyanam aucileblad

unda ganaxorcielos!

ai, medikamentebis xelmisawvdomobisTvis

ki, minimum, monopoliebi

unda daingres da sxva

RonisZiebebic gatardes. amas garda,

mas, visac amis saWiroeba aqvs,

medikamentebi aucileblad unda

daufinansdes. sayovelTao jandacvis

pirobebSi pacientze garkveuli

Tanxa ixarjeba, magram

gamokvlevebisa da mkurnalobis

Semdeg pacients imis Tanxa aRar

aqvs, rom kargi da saWiro raodenobis

medikamentebi SeiZinos. e. i.,

Tanxa ki ixarjeba, magram adamiani

bolomde ar ikurneba da es naxevrad

gakeTebuli jandacvaa.

sxvaTa Soris, jandacvis sfero

yvela qveyanaSi eleqtronuli

sistemiT gaumjobesda da amis gakeTeba

CvenTanac Zalian mniSvnelovania.

Cven jandacvaSi prioritetad

onkologia avirCieT da giorgi

vaSaZis iniciativiT, strategia

„aRmaSeneblis” farglebSi onkologiis

marTvis centri Seiqmna,

romelic efuZneba sam princips:

onkologiuri daavadebebis diagnostikas,

prevenciasa da maRali

donis mkurnalobas. yvelaferi es

ki saxelmwifom sakuTar Tavze

unda aiRos.

strategia „aRmaSeneblis” farglebSi

dafuZnebuli „onkologiis

marTvis centri”, uaxloes momavalSi,

urTierTTanamSromlobis

memorandumebs aSS-isa da

evropis qveynebTan gaaformebs,

rac onkologiis dargis ganvi-

TarebaSi dagvexmareba. saerTod,

onkologiuri pacientebis umetesoba

saqarTvelodan samkurnalod

ucxoeTSi midis. es did

finansebTanaa dakavSirebuli. Cveni

mizania, rom saqarTvelos nebismier

moqalaqes SevuqmnaT Sesa-

Zlebloba, samSobloSi iseTi ma-

Rali donis samedicino momsaxureba

miiRos, rogorsac ganvi-

Tarebuli qveynebis pacientebi

sakuTar saxelmwifoebSi iReben!

_ rac Seexeba premieris im

ybadaRebul brZanebas, romelmac

kardioklinikebi lamis daxurvis

piramde miiyvana, es dadgenileba

araprofesionalizmis Sedegia Tu

vinmes biznesinteresebisTvis,

rogorc ityvian, gzis gasufTave-

ba iyo?

_ saqarTvelos mTavrobis 2019

wlis 5 noembris 520-e dadgenilebis

mixedviT, saxelmwifom tarifebi

yvelaze ufro ganviTarebul,

maRalteqnologiur da iseT mniSvnelovan

samedicino mmimarTulebebze

Seamcira, rogoricaa reanimaciuli

momsaxureba, kardioqirurgia,

ariTmologia da nevrologia.

amasTan, am dadgenilebiTve,

zogierT SemTxvevaSi, tarifi

samedicino TviTmomsaxurebaze

gacilebiT naklebia, anu mkurnalobis

Rirebuleba pirvel, meore

da mesame donis ganyofilebebSi

imdenad Semcirebulia, rom mosalodneli

zaralis gamo, SesaZloa,

intensiuri sawolebis raodenoba

òcnebis~ jandacvis sistema Tavidanve araswori iyo, anu reforma sabiujeto

Tanxebis gamoyofas mxolod hospitaluri seqtorisTvis iTvaliswinebda,

Tan dafinansebisa da marTvis araswori modeliT. yvelaferma aman xarjebis

geometriuli progresiiT zrda gamoiwvia. amas garda, ar moxda pirveladi

jandacvis rgolis gaZliereba, medikamentebisadmi xelmisawvdomobis gazrda,

eleqtronuli jandacvis danergva da a. S.~

Semcirdes. ai, swored esaa yvelaze

mniSvnelovani problema, romlis

winaSec aRmovCndebiT, miT

umetes, rom intensiuri sawolebis

raodenoba sakmarisi arc aqamde

iyo.

yvelaferi es ki, didi alba-

TobiT, pacientis mkurnalobis

xarisxs gaauaresebs.

sxvaTa Soris, mTavrobam 520-e

dadgenileba ise miiRo, rom jandacvis

saministros tarifebis

Sesaxeb molaparakeba arc dargobrivi

sferos asociaciebTan gaumarTavs,

arc _ samedicino sferos

mimwodeblebTan da arc _ samedicino

personalTan!

isic mniSvnelovania, rom 26

samedicino dawesebulebis moTxovnis

miuxedavad, jandacvis saministrom

dadgenilebis amoqmedeba

ar gadaavada, raTa yvela problemuri

sakiTxi ganxiluliyo da

iseTi gonivruli tarifebi damtkicebuliyo,

romelic dRevandel

safinanso-ekonomikur parametrebs

realurad asaxavda!

erTi sityviT, yvelafer amiT

jandacvis saministro mxolod

samedicino servisebis mimwodeblebsa

da samedicino personals

ki ara, pacientebsac azaralebs!

Sesabamisad, samedicino momsaxurebis

xarisxi sagrZnoblad

gauaresdeba.

_ qalbatono manana, nuTu,

zemoxsenebuli dadgenilebis avtorebma

ver gaTvales, yve-

laferi es ras gamoiwvevda?

_ dRes jandacvas imdenad araprofesionali

kadrebi marTaven,

rom ar gamovricxav, es nabiji

araprofesionalizmiTve iyos

gamowveuli, Tumca arc biznesinteresebis

naklebobaa!

_ ise, rogorc vici, jandacvis

saministro sxvadasxva programisTvis

tenderebs ar acxadebs.

ai, magaliTad, maqvs informacia,

rom diabetiT daavadebu-

li bavSvebisTvis insulini ar

SeiZines. amas ra hqvia?

_ diax, jandacvis sistemasTan

dakavSirebiT aseTi problemebi

`mixeil saakaSvili rom saqarTveloSi

yofiliyo, òcneba~ ukve dasrulebuli

iqneboda. amas yvela xvdeba da mniSvneloba ar

aqvs, vin aRiarebs da vin - ara!~

namdvilad arsebobs _ zogierT

SemTxvevaSi, tenderi ar tardeba,

Tumca amaze mniSvnelovani ufro

isaa, rom programebi deficituria

da amis gamo samedicino momsaxureba

dabali xarisxisaa! xolo

dabali xarisxis samedicino momsaxureba

ras niSnavs, mgoni, ganmartebas

ar saWiroebs!

amas garda, deficituri programebis

gamo ama Tu im programaSi

SesaZloa, is pacientebi ver

CaerTon, romlebic amas saWiroeben!

rac Seexeba diabetiT daavadebuli

bavSvebis programas,

amboben, rom maTi insuliniT

uzrunvelyofa pirveli martidan

daiwyeba. Cemi informaciiT ki diabetiT

daavadebuli mozrdilebis

insuliniT uzrunvelyofis

tenderi ar Catarebula.

_ jandacvis uwyeba socialur

sakiTxebsac kurirebs. rogorc

cnobilia, aTasobiT adamians so-

cialurad daucvelis statusi

mouxsnes. es imitom xdeba, rom

biujeti daizogos Tu ZaRlis

Tavi sxvaganaa damarxuli?

_ cxadia, geTanxmebiT, rom

socialurad daucvelis statusi

Zalian bevrs mouxsnes. arada,

bolo wlebSi imdeni adamiani ga-

Ratakda, rom piriqiT unda momxdariyo,

anu ki ar unda moexsnaT,

aramed socialuri daxmareba

mravalisTvis unda daeniSnaT!

ise, rom vxedavde, qveyanaSi rame

seriozuli proeqti xorcieldeba,

vifiqrebdi, am programebze

Tanxa dazogeso, magram ver

getyviT, am SemTxvevaSi ZaRlis

Tavi sadaa damarxuli!

_ dasamali aravisTvisaa, rom

Cvens qveyanaSi uamravi bavSvi

gausaZlis pirobebSi cxovrobs.

xelisuflebis Secvlis Semdeg

axlandel opozicias Tu aqvs

gegma, rom am kuTxiT arsebuli

viTareba swrafad gaaumjobesos?

_ opozicia gegmavs, rom qveyanaSi

ekonomikuri zrdis maCveneblebi

realurad gazardos da

iseTi proeqtebi ganaxorcielos,

romelic saqarTvelos winsvlisa

da ganviTarebis saSualebas miscems,

magram manamde vgegmavT, rom

bavSvTa SimSilianoba aRvkveToT!

_ amas rogor gaakeTebT?

_ sxvadasxva monacemiT, saqa-

rTveloSi aTi aTasobiT bavSvi

SimSilobs, anu im sakvebs da im raodenobiT

ver iRebs, rac misi

normaluri zrdisa da ganviTarebisTvis

aucilebelia.

piradad Cemi iniciativaa, rom

socialuri paketebidan bavSvTa

socialuri daxmarebis paketi calke

gamoiyos, romelic kvlevebze

dayrdnobiT ganisazRvreba da

bavSvTa janmrTelobasa da normalur

ganviTarebas uzrunvelyofs!

jerjerobiT qveyanas imis sa-

Sualeba ar gaaCnia, rom mdidar da

Rarib bavSvs rame saxis daxmareba

erTnairad gamouyos, amitom mTeli

daxmareba maTken unda mivmar-

ToT, visac yvelaze Zalian uWirT!

_ bolos, qalbatono manana,

opoziciazec gkiTxavT: Tavs uxerxulad

ar grZnobT, e. w. sakoordinacio

sabWoSi prodasav-

luri partiebis gverdiT nino

burjanaZec rom zis?

_ ruseTis mimarT Cemi damokidebuleba

Zalian kargad iciT,

anu e. w. argaRizianebis politikas

ar veTanxmebi, radgan swored

am politikis gamo mxolod 2019

wlis pirveli seqtembridan dRemde

ruseTma saqarTvelos 12 milion

kvadratul metrze meti teritoria

waiRo! _ CorCanisa da perevis

tyis masivebs vgulisxmob.

sxvaTa Soris, es teritoriebi

cxinvalis administraciul saz-

RvrebSi arasodes yofila!

saqarTvelos xelisufleba ki

mTel am process dumiliTa da e.

w. argaRizianebis politikiT uwyobs

xels! amasobaSi ki ruseTi

danarCeni saqarTvelos dapyrobasac

moindomebs.

rac Seexeba burjanaZes, globalur

sakiTxebSi ar veTanxmebi,

Tumca faqtia, rom proporciuli

arCevnebi masac unda!

_ ise, opoziciam grigol

vaSaZeze ieriSi ratom miitana?

„girCis” gancxadebas vgulisxmob.

_ roca burjanaZis partiasTan

Tanxvedra ar gaqvs, magram proporciuli

arCevnebs gamo masTan

zixar da, am dros, grigol vaSaZeze

ambob, mis gverdiT ar davjdebio,

es CemTvis gaugebaria.

saerTod, xalxi gadawyvets, visi

ra monapovaria da amitom amaze

dava araseriozulad mimaCnia!

_ gveSveleba rame?

_ maSin gveSveleba, roca saparlamento

arCevnebSi prodasavluri

Zalebi gaimarjveben.

_ gaimarjveben?

_ diax, vfiqrob, gaimarjveben,

Tumca amisTvis Tavdadebuli da

Tavganwiruli brZolaa saWiro. am

brZolaSi ukan dasaxevi gza ar

arsebobs da mjera, rom am brZolaSi

Cven gavimarjvebT!

_ mixeil saakaSvilis gareSe

opozicia „ocnebas” daamarcxebs?

_ mixeil saakaSvili rom saqar-

TveloSi yofiliyo, „ocneba” ukve

dasrulebuli iqneboda. amas yvela

xvdeba da mniSvneloba ar aqvs,

vin aRiarebs da vin _ ara! sxvaTa

Soris, TviT biZinamac icis, rom

miSa mas daamarcxebs! saakaSvilsa

da „nacionalur moZraobas” ase

gaveSebuli swored amitomac

ebrZvis!

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mixeil ramiSvilze SesaZloa,

iqidan gamomdinare, rom wmin-

giorgi abaSiZe

da sinodis Suamdgomloba arsebobda,

optimistebi imedovnebdnen,

rom salome zurabiSvili saSobaod dekanoz giorgi ma-

malaZes Seiwyalebda. am molodins isic amyarebda, rom patim-

robaSi myofi sasuliero piris janmrTelobis mdgomareoba

ukiduresad mZimea. magram mimdinare wlis 6 ianvars, anu Sobis

wina dRes, „dafrangulma qalbatonma”, sagangebo brifingi

gamarTa da gvamcno, rom Sorena TeTruaSvilis mkvlelo-

bis momzadebis mcdelobisTvis msjavrdebul dekanozs ar iw-

yalebda. sxvaTa Soris, am sagangebo brifingze zurabiSvils

TeTruaSvili ar uxsenebia da isev is narativi gaimeora, rom

dekanoz mamalaZis daWeriT TiTqos qveyana did ubedurebas,

anu patriarqis mkvlelobas gadaurCa.

„samwuxarod, saqmis politizebam,

miT umetes maSin, roca dana-

Saulis maxasiaTeblebi TavisTavad

iwvevs mZafr reaqciebs; politikosebisa

Tu sasuliero pirebis

mier winaswar gakeTebulma

mkveTrma gancxadebebma ar Seuwyo

xeli gadawyvetilebis miRebis

process. iseT process, romelic

simSvidesa da yovelgvari emociebisgan

daclas moiTxovs. bolomde

movismine advokatebis argumentebi,

detalurad gavecani sinodis

Suamdgomlobas da miviRe

gadawyvetileba, romelzedac

mTlianad viReb pasuxismgeblobas.

es gadawyvetileba, pirvel rig-

Si, samarTlianobis princips

efuZneba. ver movnaxe argumenti,

miT umetes, Sewyalebis kriteriumebis

gamkacrebis pirobebSi,

roca bevri msjavrdebulis saqme

ganxiluli ver iqneboda, ratom

unda daSvebuliyo gamonaklisi

dekanoz giorgi mamalaZis saqmeze.

es gadawyvetileba efuZneba aseve

sazogadoebrivi simSvidis uzrunvelyofas,

rameTu saqarTvelos

mosaxleobis yvelaze didi nawili

aseTi danaSaulis Sewyalebas ver

gaigebs da ver gaiazrebs.

dRes Cveni dayofa, dapirispireba

safrTxes Seuqmnis Cveni

saxelmwifos momavals”, _ ganacxada

brifingze zurabiSvilma.

mamalaZis advokati mixeil ramiSvli

zurabiSvilis argumentebs,

bunebrivia, ar iziarebs da ambobs,

rom sasuliero piris arSewyalebiT

qveynis mTavarsardalma

erTgvari vali gadaixada.

amas garda, mixeil ramiSvili

„qronika+~-sTan skandalur gancxadebasac

akeTebs. kerZod, uflebadamcveli

ar gamoricxavs, rom

mis winaaRmdeg sisxlis samarTlebrivi

devna daiwyos.

Cveni respondenti gviyveba,

rom, Tavis droze, umaRlesi sasuliero

pirebi mis anaTemaze gadacemasac

gegmavdnen, magram, sabolood,

erT-erTi meufis rCeviT,

am gadawyvetilebis miReba gadaifiqres.

yovelive amis garda mixeil

ramiSvili, „qronika+~-sTan eqsk-

luziur interviuSi, „cianidis

saqmis” aqamde ucnob detalebzec

saubrobs:

_ batono mixeil, marTalia, am

Temaze bevri iTqva da daiwera,

magram amis miuxedavad, prezidentis

mier dekanoz mamalaZis ar-

Sewyaleba, vfiqrob, mainc aqtualuria,

miT umetes, rom patim-

robaSi myofi sasuliero piris

Sewyalebaze sinodis Suamdgom-

lobac arsebobda. mokled, axla,

roca emociebi met-naklebad damcxralia,

Tqveni azriT, ra moxda,

zurabiSvilma da aseve sapa-

triarqom ratom „dagvaspoil-

era”?

_ dekanoz mamalaZesTan dakav-

SirebiT is moxda, rac sapatriarqoSi

myof pirebs surdaT.

_ „sapatriarqoSi myof pireb-

Si”, konkretulad, vis gulisx-

mobT?

_ Sorenasa da mis jgufs. maTi

moTxovnaa, rom dekanozi Tavisuflebaze

ar gamovides.

_ Sewyalebis Suamdgomloba

sinodma daayena. sinods patriar-

qi xelmZRvanelobs. e. i., Sorenam

da misma jgufma uwmindesi „gada-

agdes”?

_ Suamdgomloba imdenad formaluri

iyo, rom TviT sinodis

umravlesobamac ar icoda, am Suamdgomlobaze

ra reagireba moxda.

amitom winaswar ambobdnen, ai, dekanozi

xom Seiwyaleso, magram mas

Semdeg, rac gaiges, rom prezidentma

dekanozi ar Seiwyala, meufeebma

Tqves, davinteresdebiT, ra

moxdao. mokled, aq „gadagdebaze”

ki ara, imazea saubari, rom am Suamdgomlobas

formaluri saxe

hqonda da undodaT, amiT xalxisTvis

eTqvaT, ai, am saqmiT davinteresdiTo.

_ davakonkretoT: sinodis

Suamdgomloba xalxze iyo gaTv-

lili Tu mas ufro meufe petres

daSoSminebis saxe hqonda, anu si-

nodma es Suamdgomloba manamde

miiRo, vidre is cnobili skanda-

li moxdeboda? meufe petres

erT-erTi mTavari moTxovna de-

kanozis Sewyaleba iyo. hoda, xom

SeiZleba, CavTvaloT, rom Suamdgomlobis

mizanic swored Wy-

ondidis yofili mitropolitis

gaCumeba iyo?

_ ara, am SuamdgomlobiT meufe

petres verc gaaCerebdnen da verc

gaaCumebdnen, radgan dekanozis

saqmis garda, meufes pretenzia

sxva bevr sakiTxze aqvs da, minimum,

samarTlebriv Sefasebas iTxovs

da imas cdilobs, rom raRacraRacebi

saaSkaraoze gamovides.

_ CvenSi darCes da, raRacebis

saaSkaraoze gamotanas Tqvenc

apirebdiT. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

gasuli wlis miwuruls daaanonseT,

mxilebas viwyeb da „feisbu-

qis” pirad gverdze skandalur

masalebs gamovaqveynebo, magram,

jerjerobiT, araferi gamogiq-

veynebiaT. ratom gadaifiqreT?

_ ar gadamifiqrebia, ubralod,

minda, sazogadoebas yvelaferi

Tanmimdevrulad da qronologi-

mixeil ramiSvili:

`sityvis

gatexas ar

vapireb da

imas, rac

vTqvi,

bolomde

Sevasruleb!~

urad vanaxo, igive „cianidis saqmeSi”

vin da ra formiT monawileobda.

yvelafer amas cota dro

kidev sWirdeba, Torem im kategorias

ar ganvekuTvnebi, rom gancxadeba

gavakeTo da mere, raRacis

gamo, gadavifiqro. gadawyvetilebas

arasodes vcvli xolme! sxva-

Ta Soris, bevrma miTxra, amis gamo,

SesaZloa, Seni sisxlis samarTlebrivi

pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxi

dadgeso. amas arc me gamovricxav

da arc meSinia, radgan kanons ar

varRvev, Tumca amaTTvis kanoni

saerTod ar arsebobs.

_ ukacravad, ver mivxvdi,

Tqveni sisxlis samarTlebrivi

pasuxismgebloba ratom unda

dadges?

_ albaT, sazogadoebas axsovs,

roca daxuruli sasamarTlodan

Sorena TeTruaSvilis, soso oxanaSvlisa

da sxva pirebis Cvenebebi

gasajarovda, prokuraturam

saqme aRZra, anu gamoZieba im wyaros

eZebda, vinc sasamarTlodan

es Cvenebebi gamoitana. maSin Cven,

advokatebic davikiTxeT da am

saqmeSi CarTuli sxva pirebic.

_ e. i., arsebobs albaToba, rom

Tqven winaaRmdeg SesaZloa, es

saqme „gaacocxlon”?

_ diax, SeiZleba, Tqvan, grifiT

„saidumlo” iyo da gasajaroeba

ar SeiZlebodao, magram am saqmes

grifi „saidumlo” arasodes hqonia.

sasamarTlo procesebi, romelic

kanoniT sajaroa, e. w. mesame

pirebis interesebidan gamomdinare,

ubralod, daxuruli iyo.

amasTan, e. w. oqros mowme, irakli

mamalaZe, romelic CemTvis „daJanguli

mowmea”, ase vTqvaT, dacvis

qveS imyofeboda da aseT dros

kanoni iTvaliswinebs, rom procesi

daixuros, Torem vimeoreb:

„cianidis saqme” grifiT „saidumlo”

ar aris! dRes samarTlebrivi

gadawyvetilebebi ise miiReba, rom

yvelaferi es samarTlebriv areals

mTlianad gacilebulia da

aqedan gamomdinare, ar gamikvirdeba,

saqme Cemzec rom aRZran, magram

amis miuxedavad, sityvis gatexas

ar vapireb da imas, rac

vTqvi, bolomde Sevasruleb!

`Tu prezidenti saqmes gaecno, maSin

sainteresoa, ratom ganacxada, patriarqis

gadarCena moxdao? dalocviliSvilo, dekanozs

sasuliero piris mkvlelobis mcdelobaze

brali saerTod ar aqvs wayenebuli da Sorena

TeTruaSvili sasuliero piri rodidan gaxda?

prezidenti `cianidis saqmes~ araTu gascnobia,

aramed masze warmodgenac ar aqvs!~

_ batono mixeil, kargia, sity-

vas yovelTvis rom asrulebT,

magram mainc frTxilad iyaviT!

ise, prezidentma zurabiSvilma,

Tavis droze, ganacxada, giorgi

mamalaZe rom Semewyalebina, amas

SeiZleba, samoqalaqo dapirispi-

reba moyolodao. es fraza zurabiSvilma

„haerze” Tqva Tu, Tqve-

ni azriT, rame miniSneba gaakeTa?

_ zurabiSvilis es gancxadeba

gonivrulobas absoluturad gascda!

es iyo mcdeloba, rom realuri

saqme gadafaruliyo da ar

gamoCeniliyo, yvelafer amis ukan

vin dgas, anu realurad Tu ratom

ar Seiwyales dekanozi!

sazogadoebaSi dapirispireba

ras unda moyves? Tu adamians rame

iseTi aqvs, rasac SeiZleba, dapirispireba

moyves, ra mniSvneloba

aqvs, is cixeSi iqneba Tu Tavisuflebaze?

ise, dapirispireba Sei-

Zleba, gardacvlilma adamianmac

gamoiwvios! mokled, zurabiSvilis

gancxadeba absurdi da realobis

gadafarvis mcdeloba iyo da

meti araferi!

aqve, davamateb: Tu prezidenti

saqmes gaecno, maSin sainteresoa,

ratom ganacxada, patriarqis

gadarCena moxdao? dalocviliSvilo,

dekanozs sasuliero piris

mkvlelobis mcdelobaze brali

saerTod ar aqvs wayenebuli da

Sorena TeTruaSvili sasuliero

piri rodidan gaxda? prezidenti

„cianidis saqmes” araTu gascnobia,

aramed masze warmodgenac ar

aqvs!

_ batono mixeil, Tqvens xelT

arsebuli informaciiT, Tqvenze

saqmis aRZvra Sorena TeTruaSvilis

interesSi Sedis, meufe iakobis

Tu sxva sasuliero ierarqe-

bis?

_ Cemze saqmis aRZvra mxolod

sasuliero ki ara, saero pirebis

interesebSia!

_ amas ris safuZvelze am-

bobT?

_ roca „cianidis saqme” mimdinareobda,

CemTan Jurnalistebi

movidnen da miTxres, sapatriarqoSi

ramdenime mRvdelmTavari

Seikriba da apirebdnen, Tqven

winaaRmdeg umaRlesi saeklesio

sasjeli gamoetanaTo. simarTle

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sisxlis samarTlebrivi devna daiwyos?!

giTxraT, gamikvirda, radgan umaRlesi

saeklesio sasjeli marTlmadideblobis

CamorTmevasa

da anaTemaze gadacemas niSnavs.

maxsovs, SabaTi dRe iyo. Jurnalistebma

Cem Tvalwin darekes da

ikiTxes, _ ramiSvilisTvis umaRlesi

sasjelis dadebas apirebdiT

Tu arao? upasuxes, _ ki, eg sakiTxi

idga, magram erT-erTi meufis

rCeviT, am etapze, Tavi Sevikave-

To. es pasuxi Cemi yuriT movismine

da gakvirvebuli davrCi!

_ batono mixeil, eklesia an-

aTemaze Tqven gadacemas rodis

apirebda?

_ ai, roca „cianidis saqmis”

winaswari gamoZieba mimdinareobda.

_ maSin gasagebia, magram de-

kanozi ukve msjavrdebulia, anu

gamoZieba dasrulebulia da

Tqven safrTxes ratomRa war-

moadgenT?

_ sazogadoebisTvis yvelaferi

cnobili ar aris da maT aqvT berketi,

rom maT mier gavrcelebulma

informaciam xalxze, garkveulwilad,

imoqmedos. ai, magaliTad,

Tavis droze, 8 marts, anu sinodis

sxdomis wina dRes, prokuraturam

daCexili videokadrebi

specialurad gaavrcela, raTa mxolod

sazogadoebaze ki ara, wminda

sinodis wevrebzec garkveuli

zegavlena moexdina. xalxs kiTxvis

niSnebi axlac aqvs, rac ar awyobT,

anu magaTi damsaxurebiT,

eklesiis avtoriteti isedac Seryeulia.

umjobesia, es gaugebroba

ki ara, Sida samzareulo da sibin-

Zure Tavad daalagon, magram Sida

da gare mtrebi eklesias mizanmimarTulad

angreven!

_ gare mteri gasagebia, rom

ruseTia, magram „Sida mterSi” vis

gulisxmobT, mixeil batono? aqve

gkiTxavT: is saero pirebi, rom-

lebic Tqven gebrZvian, moqmedi

maRalCinosnebi arian Tu yo-

filebi?

_ am adamianebs gavlena aqvT.

iciT, ra xdeba? _ CemTvis yvelaze

gulsatkeni isaa, rom saeklesio

cxovreba lamis sajaro da

sabiujeto samsaxuri gaxda!

_ anu?

_ kargi mRvdlebi RmerTma

gvimravlos, magram garkveul mRvdelmTavrebTan

kontaqti mqonda,

Tumca urTierToba saerTod

gawyvites.

_ visze ambobT?

_ andria iqneba Tu Sio... andria

jaRmaiZe ki pirdapir ambobs, rom

TiTqos eklesiis mtrebi varT.

swored egeni warmoadgenen im

Zalas, romelic gare mtrebis moqmedebas

xels uwyoben.

_ batono mixeil, yvelafers

Tavisi saxeli davarqvaT da pir-

dapir vTqvaT: dekanozi mamalaZe

meufe dimitrimac xom ar gawira?

_ ra Tqma unda, gawira.

_ anu meufe sakuTar tyavs

gaufrTxilda?

_ naTqvamia, jer Tavo da Tavo

da mere _ sxvao, Torem roca sulieri

mama xar, ar SeiZleba, erT

wuTas erTs ambobde, meore wuTas

_ meores. Sen mier arCeuli cxovrebis

gzidan gamomdinare gevaleba,

rom rac unda mware da

`sapatriarqoSi arsebul daZabulobas sxva kanonmdeblobiT ver daaregulireb,

Torem isedac naTelia da iTqva kidec, rom dekanozi Sorena TeTruaSvilisa da

iakobis patimaria!~

mtkivneuli iyos, mxolod da mxolod

simarTle Tqva, magram amaT

yvelanairi SegrZneba dakarguli

aqvT da, diax, dekanozi gawires!

sxvaTa Soris, Zalian didi

mcdelobebi iyo da amas viRacisgan

gagonils ar geubnebiT.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ jer dekanozis Zmis, TornikesTan

mimarTebiT iyo... mere andria

jaRmaiZe cdilobda, rom

dekanozs gancxadeba daewera, _

Sorena, iakobi da, saerTod, sapatriarqodan

aravinaa SuaSio, magram

es gancxadeba ki ara, aRiareba

iqneboda. mere mec Semxvda da

andria meubneboda, Tu amas gaakeTebs,

mere Cven prezidentTan

vuSuamdgomlebTo, magram gamikvirda

da vuTxari, _ ra sisuleles

meubnebi, es aRiareba iqneba da

amis Semdeg ityviT, ai, xom aRiare

da axla oxanaSvils daade xelio.

Tavidan swored amas sTxovdnen.

mokled, am e. w. gancxadebis Semdeg

etyodnen, ai, Sen xom aRiare

da prezidentTan rekomendacias

veRar gagikeTebTo. sxvaTa Soris,

andrias sionSi rom Sevxvdi, Sendobis

dRe iyo... andria jaRmaiZe,

Tu kurTxeva ar aqvs, Tavisi iniciativiT,

mgoni, arc loculobs!

erTi sityviT, rac daavales, imaze

melaparaka da Sesabamisi pasuxic

miiRo!

_ batono mixeil, mgoni, aravis

sjera, rom dekanozi vinmes mowam

amvlas gegmavda, magram mTel am

ambavSi erTi kiTxvis niSania, anu

patriarqi samkurnalod karga

xnis wasuli iyo, giorgi mamal-

aZem germaniaSi wasvla ratom

gadawyvita?

_ am kiTxvaze pasuxi Zalian

martivia, anu patriarqs aseTi

wesi hqonia _ roca ucxoeTSi midis,

yovelTvis Tan miaqvs eklesiaSi

Camosxmuli saukeTeso Rvino,

magram radgan maSin germania-

Si gadayvana saswrafod moxda,

Rvino ver waiRo da dekanozs

sTxoves, ori yuTi Rvino Caetana.

amas garda, dacvis biWebi finansurad

uzrunvelyofilebi ar iyvnen

da daxmareba sTxoves. dekanozma

krediti swored amitom aiRo.

_ SeiZleba, dacvis biWebma finansuri

daxmareba sTxoves, ma-

`Tavis droze, 8 marts, anu sinodis sxdomis

wina dRes, prokuraturam daCexili

videokadrebi specialurad gaavrcela, raTa

mxolod sazogadoebaze ki ara, wminda sinodis

wevrebzec garkveuli zegavlena moexdina. xalxs

kiTxvis niSnebi axlac aqvs, rac ar awyobT, anu

magaTi damsaxurebiT, eklesiis avtoriteti

isedac Seryeulia. umjobesia, es gaugebroba ki

ara, Sida samzareulo da sibinZure Tavad

daalagon, magram Sida da gare mtrebi

eklesias mizanmimarTulad angreven!~

gram 21-e saukunea da dekanozs

SeeZlo, eZlo, germaniaSi ki ar wasuli-

yo, aramed fuli gadaericxa.

_ gasagebia, magram wasvla mainc

uwevda _ Rvinos fostiT xom ar

gaagzavnida? amas Tavi rom davaneboT,

dekanozi sapatriarqos

klinikis direqtori iyo da protokoliT

evaleboda, rom iq, germaniaSi

yofiliyo.

_ Tu protokoliT evaleboda,

dekanozi germaniaSi patri-

arqTan erTad ratom ar wavida?

_ Tavidan yvela ar wayva. iakobi

da igive Teodorec mere Cavidnen

_ xom giTxariT, rom patriarqis

germaniaSi gadayvana dauyovnebliv

moxda da yvela xom ver

gaiqceoda, saqmeebi aqac xom hqondaT?

_ ise, am sami wlis dinamika

gvaCvenebs, rom dekanozis saqme

periodulad aqtiurdeba. amis

mizezi politikuri koniunqtura

xom araa?

_ cxovrebiseuli politikac

arsebobs da partiulic, magram am

saqmes verasodes veraferi gadafaravs!

_ geTanxmebiT, magram „ciani-

dis saqmeze” mudmiv pedalirebas

arc opozicia akeTebs. arada, Tu

usamarTlobazea saubari, igive

saerTaSoriso asparezze, viqrob,

swored dekanozis qeisis wamoweva

da imaze pedalireba unda xdebodes,

rom dekanozi politpati-

maria. vcdebi?

_ mesmis, magram iciT, samarTlebrivad

rogori situaciaa?

_ rogori?

_ sxvebi saero pirebi arian. am

SemTxvevaSi ki saqme sxva ramesTan

gvaqvs.

_ rasTan?

_ es garkveuli saxis Suri da

mtrobaa. sapatriarqoSi arsebul

daZabulobas sxva kanonmdeblobiT

ver daaregulireb, Torem

isedac naTelia da iTqva kidec,

rom dekanozi Sorena TeTruaSvilisa

da iakobis patimaria!

_ sapatriarqos Sida mtroba

gasagebia, magram mamalaZe saero

sasamarTlom gaasamarTla da Sesabamisad,

politpatimris statu-

si ar miesadageba?

_ saero sasamarTlo Zalian

bevrs asamarTlebs, magram roca

mkvlelobis momzadebazea saubari,

adamiani politpatimrad ver

CaiTvleba.

_ ki batono, magram Tqveni,

rogorc iuristisa da politiko-

sis SefasebiT, im taqtikiT, ro-

melic opozicias aqvs arCeuli,

sarTaSoriso asparezze „oc-

nebas” mougebs?

_ is gancxadebebi, romelic

aSS-is kongressa da senatSi, aseve

evrosabWoSi gakeTda, imaze mianiSnebs,

rom Cvens partniorebs saqarTvelos

xelisuflebaze Zalian

negatiuri Sexeduleba aqvT. es

ki opoziciis qmedebaSi kargad unda

aisaxos, magram opoziciaSi azrTa

sxvadasxvaobaa, rac gayofasa

da gamijvnas ar unda niSnavdes.

_ ra azrTa sxvadasxvaobas

gulisxmobT?

_ garkveuli pirebis mimarT

arsebobs mosazreba, rom rusuli

interesebis gamtareblebi arian.

_ es mosazreba mTlad usafuZ-

vlo ar aris da swored amitom

Tqveni partia _ „kanoni da samar-

Tali” _ opozicis e. w. sakoor-

dinacio sabWos gaemijna.

_ diax, vici.

_ batono mixeil, es gadawyvetileba

swori iyo Tu aras-

wori?

_ saerTod, mimaCnia, rom koaliciaSi

yvela Tanaswori da Tanabari

unda iyos. Sesabamisad, mniSvneloba

arc imas unda hqondes, romelime

partia axalia Tu Zveli.

_ ra miniSnebas akeTebT?

_ iyo garkveuli sakiTxebi,

romelic ise wydeboda, rom politikuri

eTika irRveoda, amiT ki

diskomforti iqmneboda. ar Sei-

Zleba, garkveuli periodi vinmes

gverdiT dgoma dividendebis momtani

iyos, Semdeg ki aradamsaxurebuli

pozicia daiWiro. erTi

sityviT, gamosasworebeli da er-

Tad gasakeTebeli Zalian bevria.

vimedovneb, rom garkveul sakiTxebze

SigniTve Camoyalibdebian da

urTierTobas ufro daaregulireben.

saerTod, ormagi standartebiT

moqmedeba, miT umetes,

politikaSi, ar SeiZleba! politika

garkveuli pirebis ki ara, xalxis

nebas unda asaxavdes!

_ batono mixeil, saubris bo-

los, miTxariT, am droisTvis

dekanoz mamalaZis mdgomareoba

rogoria?

_ Zalian mZime.

_ advokatebi xom ar apirebT,

rom sasuliero piris Sewyalebis

TxovniT kidev mimarToT?

_ kanonis Tanaxmad, Sewyalebaze

mimarTva eqvsi Tvis Semdeg Sei-

Zleba, magram ar mgonia, es nabiji

gadavdgaT.

_ ratom?

_ pirdapiri moTxovna aqvs, rom

dekanozi ar Seiwyalos. amiT salome

vals ixdis.

_ vals vis uxdis?

_ prezidenti rom gaxda, es sapatriarqodan

gamomdinarec iyo,

anu bevri meufe agitatoriviT

gamodis da ambionidan, qadagebis

magivrad, politikaze, ruseTze

laparakobs da leqciebs atarebs.

aqedan gamomdinare vambob,

salomem vali gaistumra-meTqi.

ufro sworad, mudmivad valSi

iqneba da dekanozi arasodes unda

Seiwyalos!

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àRSfoTebuli xalxis

bolo dros opozicionerebze

Sorena marsagiSvili

fizikuri angariSsworeba Cveu-

599 92 16 22

lebriv ambad iqca. opozicionere-

bze Tavdamsxmelebs, rogorc wesi,

msubuqad sjian an saerTod ar sTxoven pasuxs. sul axlaxan ki

erTi tendencia gaxda trenduli _ nacem opozicionerebs iqiT

sdeben brals ZaladobaSi: ase daabrales gigi ugulavas msoflio

Cempionis cema; levan xabeiSvils ki, romelsac sakrebu-

loSi oTxi kaci daesxa Tavs da wixlebiT Sesdga, prokuraturam

iqiT wauyena brali Zaladobis muxliT. am trenduli tendenciis

Tanaxmad, araa gamoricxuli, Zaladobis muxliT „nacionaluri

moZraobis” wevr jelal qiqavasac wauyenon brali, romelsac

aseve Tavs daesxa msoflio Cempioni da SeTavsebiT parlamen-

tis vice-spikeri, muxran vaxtangaZe. marTalia, nacemi qiqavaa,

magram moZaladed mainc mas gamoacxadeben, radgan zemoT ase

surT. jelal qiqava fiqrobs, rom, Tavis droze, opozicias mis

cemaze saTanado reaqcia rom hqonoda, xelisuflebis zondere-

bi sxvebze Tavdasxmebs veRar gabedavdnen.

ratom gadavida xelisufleba

aSkara Zaladobaze? risi miR-

weva SeuZlia opoziciasa da

xalxs? ratom ar cnobs „ocne-

ba” kongressa da senats? risTvis

sWirdeba salome zurabiS-

vils prezidentoba? ratom

akavebs xalxs opozicia? SeZle-

ben Tu ara isini arCevnebamde

erTobis SenarCunebas? _ amis

Sesaxeb jelal qiqava „qroni-

ka+~-s esaubreba:

_ amerikidan gasul kvirasac

miviReT ramdenime werili.

amerikeli kongresmenebi da sen-

atorebi mwvaved akritikeben

saqarTvelos xelisuflebas. am

kritikas „ocnebam” kritikiTve

upasuxa da kongress tonis

Secvlisken mouwoda.

_ aba, ras elodiT „qarTuli

ocnebisgan”? gegonaT, azrze

movidodnen? ivaniSvilis partiam

ar icis, ra aris progresi da ra

aris kongresi. Tavisi WkuiT,

arafrad agdeben amerikas. sulelur

gancxadebebs akeTeben, strategiul

partniors abiTureben.

amiT Tavs iwynareben da mxardamWerebsac

amSvideben. es mxardamWerebic

aRar hyavT. mZime

mdgomareobaSi arian da Secdomas

Secdomaze uSveben. egeni sa-

Tanadod ver afaseben, ras niSnavs

dasavleTidan wamosuli ase-

Ti mwvave kritika. samagierod,

vinc politikaSi verkveviT, viciT,

es rac aris. es imas niSnavs,

rom „ocnebas” sagareo frontze

mZimed aqvs saqme. ukeTesi mdgomareoba

arc qveynis SigniT aqvT.

yovelgvari gadaWarbebis gareSe

geubnebiT, RmerTs yoveldRe vexvewebi,

rom saqme arCevnebamde

mivides.

_ ratom exvewebiT RmerTs

amas, aris safrTxe, rom arCevne-

bi CaiSalos?

_ qveyanaSi iseTi mdgomareobaa,

rom nebismier wuTs SeiZleba

daiwyos socialuri bunti. es

bunti ramdenime wlis winaT vnaxeT

baTumSi. Zalian ar minda, rom

igive ganmeordes.

_ Tqven TqviT, rom xelisu-

fleba Tavs imSvidebso, magram

bolo dros mTlad damSvidebulebi

aRar arian. ukve Sewuxd-

nen am werilebiT da amboben,

CavalT da amerikelebs davela-

parakebiTo.

_ raze unda daelaparakon?

erTxel xom ukve wavidnen dasalaparakeblad?

imisTana daelaparaknen,

rom im dRidan moyolebuli

yoveldRe kritika modis iqidan.

amerikelebs rogor unda

daelaparakon, roca TavianT ruseTumeobas

aRarc ki malaven?!

Steri qali rom hyavT, is gamovida

evrosabWoSi da lavrovi

saqarTveloSi dapatiJa. pirobac

dado, amis gamo okupaciis Sesaxeb

kanonsac ki davarRvevo.

_ salome zurabiSvils ra

ufleba aqvs, kanons gverdi

auaros?

_ daviwyoT iqidan, rom ra

ufleba aqvs, prezidentobas rom

iCemebs? yvelam viciT, rogor

dasves am postze. xaxvsa da kartofilze

iyides misTvis saWiro

xmebi! rogor SeiZleba, es qali

saqarTvelos umaRlesi mTavarsardali

iyos?! verc ki xvdeba,

es ras niSnavs. imazec ar aqvs

warmodgena, ras niSnavs prezidentis

instituti. prezidentoba

imisTvis undoda, rom am rang-

Si Casuliyo parizSi Tavis daqalebTan

da iq emariaJa. meti azri

magas ar gaaCnia, aranairi

prezidenti eg ar aris.

_ amas Tavadac aRiarebs: xom

Tqva, ivaniSvilia saqarTvelos

prezidentio.

_ magas rom ar eTqva, isedac

yyvelam vicodiT, rom yvelafris

ufrosi biZina ivaniSvilia.

imdenad amazrzenia es yvelaferi,

rom amaze saubari ukve meuxerxuleba,

nametani bavSvuri

Temaa.

_ Tqven bavSvuri Tema eZaxeT

da am xalxs qveynis bedi abaria.

_ magaT rom abariaT qveynis

bedi, magitomac daviqeciT yvelanairad.

ugunur nabijebs dgamen,

gamoucdelebi arian da anadgureben

saxelmwifos. yvela sikeTesTan

erTad, wignic ar aqvT

gadaSlili, wakiTxvaze ukve arafers

vambob.

_ wigni bevr maTgans rom ar

aqvs wakiTxuli, amaSi geTanxme-

biT, magram gamoucdelebs maT

ver davarqmevT. ukve merve we-

lia, rac xelisuflebaSi arian.

_ Tu TavSi Wkua ar gaqvs, ginda

Tormeti weli iyavi xelisuflebaSi,

araferi icvleba. amaT

arc rva welma uSvela da arc

damatebiT kidev rva weli uSvelis.

amaT marto dangreva ician.

xalxi isea gamwarebuli, Zlivs

vakavebT. opozicia rom ar iyos,

aq areuloba da ubedureba datrialdeboda.

areulobisgan vicavT

qveyanaso da „ocnebis”

mtkicebiT, opozicia yvelafers

akeTebs areulobis mosawyobad.

areuloba rom gvdomoda, ramenairad

movawyobdiT. Sterebi

rom arian, magitom ver xvdebian

amas. opozicia aSoSminebs xolme

xSirad xalxs da Cvenc am rols

vasrulebT. revoluciebs, rogorc

wesi, xelisufleba awyobs.

RmerTma dagvifaros da aq Tu

revolucia moxda, es „qarTuli

ocnebis” mowyobili iqneba da pasuxic

sakuTar Tavs mosTxovos.

_ Tavis Tavs rogor mouwy-

jelal qiqava:

òcnebam~ ar

icis, ra aris

progresi da

ra aris

kongresi~

oben?

_ CaTvaleT, rom ukve uwyoben.

_ ranairad?

_ Zalian martivad: ar aRadgines

samarTlianoba; gaiafebis

nacvlad yvelaferi gaaZvires,

xalxi wamalsa da saWmels veRar

yidulobs; gaizarda denisa da

gazis tarifebi; moimata kriminalma;

qveyana Tavze dagvemxo;

xalxi mSieri kvdeba; rusebs Cveni

miwebi miaqvT. xelisufleba ki

am dros mxolod qonebis dagrovebaze

fiqrobs. revoluciis

mowyobas meti mizezi ki ar

sWirdeba! revoluciebs Tavad

xelisuflebebi awyoben, ubralod,

mere amas opozicia udgeba

saTaveSi. es karg SemTxvevaSi,

Torem Tu xalxi kontrolidan

gamovida, maSin Zalian cudad

`mere eg dendroparki CvenTvisaa aSenebuli?

sakuTar Tavs auSena da iq aravis uSvebs.

ivaniSvili vinmes rames gaukeTebs? zRva

miiyvana SekveTilSi sakuTar saxlTan, rom

aqciebiT ar Segvewuxebina. es kaci araa

imisTvis mowodebuli, rom qveyanas an xalxs

rame gaukeTos - eg aris erTi fulis mSovneli

kaci, romelsac aranairi ganaTleba ar aqvs~

daasrulebs nebismieri xelisufali.

opozicia imis garantia,

rom es yvelaferi umtkivneulod

moxdes. Cvenken xelis gamoSveras

Tavi daanebon da sakuTar Tavs

mokiTxon pasuxi, Tavad atrialeben

sakuTar Tavs.

20 ivnisze rom gvabraleben,

parlamentSi SeWra scadeso, vin

migviyvana im Rames parlament-

Tan? maT mier Cadenili danaSaulis

gasaprotesteblad wavediT

iq. ratom Camoiyvanes gavrilovi,

imas ar amboben da Cven gvabraleben,

parlamentSi SeWra undoda-

To. jer erTi, arsad viWrebodiT,

meore, romc SevWriliyaviT,

ra moxdeboda? _ SevidodiT

cariel parlamentSi da

gamovidodiT. damnaSaveebi Tavad

arian. Tavad aSaveben da mere

sxvisken iSveren xels.

daviT qacaravas Tavs daesxnen

da iqiT warudgines brali; nika

melias deputatis uflebamosileba

Seuwyvites; levan xabeiSvils

jogi daasies da iqiT gaasamarTles

eg biWi Zaladobis muxliT;

gigi ugulavas saerTod

msoflio Cempionis cema daabrales,

arada, Tavad iyo nacemi.

_ opozicionerebze Tavdas-

xmebi Cveul ambad iqca. ZiriT-

adad „nacionalebs” esxmian

Tavs. wesiT, es maSin unda dawye-

buliyo, roca 2012 wels xeli-

sufleba Seicvala. „nacionalebze”

xalxi Zalian iyo gamware-

buli, magram maSinac ki ar das-

xmia maT aravin Tavs. axla ra

xdeba?

_ axla ra xdeba da xelisufleba

agoniaSia. xalxi arc axla

esxmis vinmes Tavs. „ocnebis”

zonderebi dasdeven opozicionerebs.

erTmaneTsac ki aRar uTanxmeben,

ras akeTeben. elementarulad,

avtoriteti ar hyavT

amxela partiaSi. Tqven ver damisaxelebT

„ocnebaSi” kacs an qals,

romelic avtoritetiT sargeblobdes.

_ CemTvis, TqvenTvis da Cve-

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Sekaveba sul ufro gviWirs~

ni mkiTxvelisTvis SeiZleba,

aravinaa avtoriteti „ocnebaSi”,

magram meocnebeebs Zalianac

eavtoritetebaT ivaniSvili.

_ ase Tu ggoniaT, Zalian

cdebiT. „ocnebasa” da mis mxardamWerebSi

ivaniSvili aranairi

avtoritetiT ar sargeblobs.

_ cota xom ar aWarbebT?

_ Zalian zomieri var. aranairi

avtoriteti aRar aris maT-

Tvis biZina.

_ aba, ratom icaven kbil-

ebiT?

_ vin giTxraT, rom icaven?

isini biZinas ki ara, sakuTar

Tavs, fulsa da Tavis komforts

icaven. biZinas damarcxeba maT

damarcxebas niSnavs. damarcxeba

niSnavs, rom ufulod darCebian.

ufulod darCena ki ar undaT,

cal-cali „tufliT” dadiodnen

da axla kai fexsacmeli acviaT,

kais Wamen da svamen.

_ imdeni iSoves, rom ara mgo-

nia, ufulod darCnen.

_ ramdeni xani eyofaT eg

fuli? _ Zalian cota. yvela,

vinc biujetis fuli moipara,

daisjeba. moparul qonebas saxelmwifos

daubruneben. es Tavadac

kargad ician da amitom arian

ase gamwarebulebi. Semodgomis

buzebiviT ikbinebian. Cven

erTxel da samudamod unda davamkvidroT

is standarti, rom

biujetis qurdebi daisajon.

_ amas yvela xelisufali am-

bobs, magram mere im biujetis

qurdebTan mSvenivrad naxu-

loben saerTo enas.

_ cudia, rom ase xdeba, magram

es aucileblad Seicvleba. wina

xelisufleba sjida biujetis

qurdebs, rogor ar sjida.

_ wina xelisufleba udana-

Saulo adamianebsac uSvebda

cixeSi.

_ wina xelisuflebaze roca

vsaubrobT, yovelTvis xazi gavusvaT

im garemoebas, rom isini

saxelmwifos aSenebdnen.

_ es amarTlebs maTi mxridan

udanaSaulo adamianebis devnas?

_ ar amarTlebs, magram aq sxva

ramesTan gvaqvs saqme. maT, faqtobrivad,

mxolod teritoria

Caibares, romelic saxelmwifod

unda eqciaT. saxelmwifos aSeneba

ki ioli saqme ar aris. roca

mTeli yuradReba am saqmezea gadatanili,

aseT dros SeiZleba,

bevri Secdomac dauSvan. ar uarvyof,

rom im dros bevrs waarTves

biznesi da bevri Zaladobac

iyo, magram maT qveyana aaSenes.

_ esenic amboben, rom qveyanas

vaSenebTo.

_ me amaTi aSenebuli araferi

minaxavs.

_ dendroparki?

_ mere eg dendroparki CvenTvisaa

aSenebuli? sakuTar Tavs

auSena da iq aravis uSvebs. ivaniSvili

vinmes rames gaukeTebs?

zRva miiyvana SekveTilSi saku-

Tar saxlTan, rom aqciebiT ar

Segvewuxebina. es kaci araa imisTvis

mowodebuli, rom qveyanas

an xalxs rame gaukeTos _ eg aris

`20 ivnisze rom gvabraleben, parlamentSi SeWra scadeso, vin migviyvana im

Rames parlamentTan? maT mier Cadenili danaSaulis gasaprotesteblad

wavediT iq. ratom Camoiyvanes gavrilovi, imas ar amboben da Cven

gvabraleben, parlamentSi SeWra undodaTo~

erTi fulis mSovneli kaci, romelsac

aranairi ganaTleba ar

aqvs.

_ gaunaTlebeli kaciao, am-

bobT da mas bevri fuli aqvs da

Zalauflebis SenarCunebac Seu-

Zlia. winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi

rva weli ver gaZlebda xelisu-

flebis saTaveSi.

_ axla marTla gaZlebaze aqvs

saqme. saSinel dReSia. Zalian

did fuls xarjavs, rom gundi ar

daeSalos. mTel Sav fuls amaT

moqrTamvas axmars. parlamentis

deputatebs 10.000-s aZlevs.

_ es dadasturebuli infor-

maciaa?

_ ki! utyuari informacia

maqvs: parlamentis deputatebi

ivaniSvilisgan 10.000-s iReben da

mis gverdiT arian.

_ 10.000 lari Rirs ivaniSvi-

lis erTguleba?

_ lari ara, dolari! amis garda,

ivaniSvili maT uflebas aZlevs,

rom sakuTari biznesebic

hqondeT. erTs benzigasamarTi

sadguri aqvs, meores _ samrecxao.

zogi „trusikebs” recxavs,

zogi _ „maikebs”.

_ cota araseriozul Temaze

vsaubrobT da seriozuladac

visaubroT.

_ ra aris araseriozuli?

iciT, ramden fuls Souloben am

„trusikebis” recxviT? _ Zalian

bevrs.

_ magaT „trusikebi” recxon

da Tqven opoziciis gegmebze

momiyeviT. am kviraSi aqciebs

iwyebT da kargad xarT momza-

debulebi?

_ ras hqvia, momzadebulebi

varT? Zalianac kargadac varT

momzadebuli. xelisuflebas ki

ar moswons es ambavi, magram amis

uflebas konstitucia gvaZlevs.

magaT Tu ar moswonT, civi wyali

dalion. Cven arc parlamentis

aRebas vapirebT da arc vinmes

Camogdebas. Cven mSvidobiani

formebiT movawyobT piketebs.

xelisufleba komfortis zonidan

unda gamoviyvanoT. maT yvelaferze

pasuxi unda agon. ar uSveliT

is Robe, parlaments rom

Semoavles. Zalian cdebian, mag

Robis imedad Tu arian. bevri

xalxi Tu gamova, Zalian koxtad

movxsniT mwvane Robes, ivaniSvili

da kalaZe xalxis nebis winaaRmdeg

ver gabedaven wasvlas.

gabedaven da sakadrissac mii-

Reben.

`roca ministri policias lanZRavs, es ukve

katastrofaa. normaluri qveyana rom viyoT,

gomelauri ukve gadamdgari unda iyos. eg Tavis

TanamSromlebs ar icavs da sxvas vis daicavs?~

_ piketebi da aqciebi gamoi-

Rebs Sedegs? xelisufleba pro-

porciulze wamosvlas ar

apirebs. arCil TalakvaZem aRiara,

am winadadebiT imitom gamovediT,

rom xalxi dagveSoS-

minebinao.

_ raSi mainteresebs, ras

ityvis arCil TalakvaZe? eg aris

WanWiki. Cven Cveni gegma gvaqvs,

vimoqmedebT am gegmiT da xelisuflebas

vaiZulebT, daTmobaze

wavides. xalxi isea gamwarebuli,

RmerTs vexvewebi,

rogorme saparlamento arCevnebamde

mivaRwioT.

_ es TavSic TqviT da guli

gigrZnobT rame cuds, Tu

konkretuli informacia gaqvT,

rom yoveldRe RmerTs exvewe-

biT, arCevnebamde migvaRwevine

rogormeo?

_ bevri informacia maqvs, magram

am SemTxvevaSi xalxis ganwyobidan

gamomdinare vsaubrob.

xalxi gadareuli da gamwarebulia.

aseTi damSeuli da Seuracxyofili

xalxi jer ar minaxavs.

opozicia erTiani ZalebiT jer

vaxerxebT xalxis gaCerebas. mere

ra iqneba, ar vici. es xelisuflebazea

damokidebuli.

_ opozicia erTiani ZalebiT

vaxerxebT xalxis daSoSminebaso.

ramden xans gastans es er-

Tianoba. raRac ukmayofilobe-

bi aSkarad SeimCneva.

_ iseTi gansxvavebuli xalxia

am erTobaSi, ra gasakviria, patara

ukmayofileba Tu iqna. eg

ukmayofileba ufro centrSia,

regionebSi ki gadasarevad vTanamSromlobT

erTmaneTTan. kanonis

farglebSi vaprotestebT

xelisuflebis Tavgasulobas.

vfiqrob, centrSic SeZleben yvela

winaaRmdegobis daZlevas.

axla daSlis ufleba ar gvaqvs.

es iqneba xalxis, qveynisa da momavlis

Ralati.

_ ivaniSvils Zalian bevri

fuli li aqvs. politikosebis mos-

yidva misTvis ucxo ambavi ar

aris. is. amisgan dazRveulebi

xarT?

_ visi yidvac SeiZleboda,

oligarqma ukve yvela iyida. Cven

zafxulidan vebrZviT biZinas

ukanonobas da vinmes yidva rom

yofiliyo SesaZlebeli, iyidida.

faqtia, rom ver iyida, mis jinaze

opoziciidan aravin wasula da

bolomde erTad viqnebiT. ramdenimes

Tu eqneba gansxvavebuli

pozicia, es problema ar aris.

_ kamaTi, ZiriTadad, saakaSvilis

gancxadebebis gamo iwye-

ba xolme da amaze ras ityviT?

_ saakaSvili lideria. SeiZleba,

viRacas ar moswons, magram is

politikosia da mas sxvebis msgavsad

sakuTari azris gamoTqmis

ufleba aqvs. mas mTeli msoflio

usmens da Cvenc movisminoT.

opoziciaSi vinmes Tu ar moewoneba

misi azri, arc es aris

problema. mTavaria, Cven yvelas

qveynis naTeli momavlisTvis

brZola gvaerTianebs.

_ garda imisa, rom saakaSvili

xdeba kamaTis mizezi, ivaniSvi-

lis partia misi dabrunebiT

aSinebs amomrCevels.

_ es meTodi ramdenime wlis

winaT kargad Wrida, axla ki

xalxs miSas dabrunebis aRar eSinia.

metic: xalxi natrobs, netav,

male dabrundeso. mosaxleobas

kargad axsovs, rom maSin

bevri gadacdoma iyo, magram

qveyana win midioda. axla gadacdomebic

aris da qveyanac CamoSlis

pirasaa. sxva Tu araferi,

xalxs ase ar Sioda; miSas dros

kriminalebi ase ver jejilobdnen;

kanoni kanonobda da xalxi

policias pativs scemda; patrulic

mzad iyo dasaxmareblad.

axla ras daamsgavses patruli?

_ maT ukanono brZanebebs asrulebs.

kanonierad vinc iqceva,

imas iqiT uqmnian problemebs.

xom naxeT, ra ganacxada gomelaurma:

policielisTvis imis Tqma,

_ formas gagxdi, _ danaSauli ar

ariso. amiT man mTel policias

miayena Seuracxyofa.

_ da es Tqven Zalian gewyi-

naT?

_ mewyina. ki var opoziciaSi,

magram am qveynis moqalaqe var da

ar minda, Cems policias vinme

aginebdes da urtyamdes.

_ aqciebis dros opoziciac

xom aginebT xolme policias?

_ ase arasdros movqceulvarT.

arc dagvirtyams policielebisTvis.

darbevis dros ki Segvibrunebia

xeli, magram es yvelgan

xdeba. roca ministri policias

lanZRavs, es ukve katastrofaa.

normaluri qveyana rom

viyoT, gomelauri ukve gadamdgari

unda iyos. eg Tavis Tanam-

Sromlebs ar icavs da sxvas vis

daicavs? arasdros mqonia imedi,

rom Cvenze Tavdasxmebs gamoiZiebdnen.

opozicia yvela faqtze

saTanadod rom reagirebdes, amdens

veRar gabedavdnen. arc er-

Ti SemTxveva ar unda gavataroT.

es unamusoebi qalebis cemasac

ar eridebian. gaxsovT, albaT,

rogor daesxnen Tavs Tako Carkvians.

amaze didi ambebi rom mogvewyo,

sxva Tavdasxmas veRar gabedavdnen.

magram ara uSavs, yvelaferi

dalagdeba. ivaniSvili

Tavisas veRar gaitans da wasvla

mouwevs.

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msoflio jandacvis organiza-

ciam koronavirusis gamo globaluri sagangebo mdgomareoba

gamoacxda, _ koronavirusi saerTaSoriso mniSvnelobis safrTxed

Sefasda. am virusis gavrcelebis safrTxe saqarTvel-

osac emuqreba. daudasturebeli informaciiT, virusi ukve

saqarTveloSic gavrcelda. amis miuxedavad, xelisufleba mS-

vidad aris da sasikvdilo virusis ar eSinia _ aranair zomebs

ar mimarTavs, rom virusis gavrceleba Tavidan aviciloT.


vin dgas

xelisuflebisgan gansxvavebiT

Zalian aris SeSfoTebuli

„qarTuli dasis” lideri jondi

baRaTuria. misi TqmiT, dauyovnebliv

unda aikrZalos saz-

Rvarze CineTisa da maRali riskis

sxva qveynebidan moqalaqe-

Ta SemoSveba. igi miiCnevs, rom

saWiroa saswavlo procesis Sewyveta.

sazogadoebriv transportsa

da TavSeyris sxva adgilebSi

mudmivi dezinfeqciis

procesis Catarebasac iTxovs.

amis paralelurad baRaTuria

agrZelebs saafTiaqo mafiasTan

brZolas. saqarTveloSi wamlebis

aranormalurad maRali fasebia.

amaze araerTxel atyda

skandali, farmacevtuli kompaniebi

ki wamlebs ar aiafeben

da axla pirbadeebic saSinlad

gaaZvires.

ratom unda Caiketos sazRvari?

ratom unda Sewydes saswavlo

procesi? rogor aZvi-

reben pirbadeebs? ra xdeba

wamlebis fasebTan dakavSire-

biT? rodis apireben saafT-

iaqo mafiis winaaRmdeg brZo-

lis ganaxlebas? _ am Temebze

jondi baRaTuria „qronika+~-

s esaubreba:

_ jondi, Tqven iniciativiT

gamoxvediT, rom koronavirusis

gavrcelebis Tavidan acilebis

mizniT droebiT Caiketos

sazRvrebi. ase seriozu-

lad aris saqme? xelisufleba

raRac arxeinad gamoiyureba.

_ es virusi Zalian saxifaToa

da yvelaferi unda gavakeToT,

rom is saqarTveloSi ar gavrceldes.

am virusis samkurnalo

vaqcina jer ar mougoniaT. Zalian

swrafad vrceldeba, mis-

Tvis damaxasiaTebelia maRali

letaloba. sazRvrebis sruli

Caketva ar momiTxovia, magram

im zomebis gatareba ki moviTxove,

rasac civilizebulma qveynebma

mimarTes. es maT sakuTari

moqalaqeebis dasacavad gaakeTes.

Cveni xelisuflebac valdebulia,

igivenairad moiqces.

saqarTveloSi Semosvla unda

aekrZalos CineTis moqalaqeebs.

es SezRudva im qveynebis moqalaqeebzec

unda gavrceldes, romlebsac

CineTTan sazRvari ar

CauketavT. es SezRudvebi ramdenime

kviriT unda dawesdes. am

periodSi raRac suraTi gamoikveTeba

da iqneb, am sasikvdilo

virusis vaqcinac damzaddes.

anda SeiZleba, am pikma gadaiaros.

bevrma qveyanam marto

CineTTan ki ar Caketa sazRvari,

aramed imaTTanac, romlebmac

CineTTan sazRvari ar Caketes.

amas CineTis xelisufleba gagebiT

ekideba da aranairi pretenziebi

ar gaaCnia.

CineTis uaxloesi mezobeli

qveynebi _ tailandi, vietnami,

korea _ kulturuladac da

ekonomikuradac mibmuli arian

CineTze. amaTac ki SeaCeres Ta-

vianT qveynebSi CineTis moqalaqeebis

SeSveba. vietnamSi amas

cota arasasiamovno formac mieca.

iqaurma sastumroebma uari

Tqves Cinelebis miRebaze. amerikelma

pilotebma uari Tqves

CineTSi aviareisebis Sesrulebaze.

ase imitom moiqcnen, rom

amerikam ar SeaCera CineTis mimarTulebiT

frenebi. aseTi SezRudvebi

CvenTTanac unda dawesdes,

ramdenime kviriT mainc.

aseve aucileblia saswavlo

procesis Sewyveta. es imdenad

elementaruli moTxovnaa, rom

amas ganmartebebi ar unda sWirdebodes.

aseTi sasikvdilo

virusis dros ki ara, ubralo

gripis epidemiis drosac, rogorc

wesi, wydeba xolme saswavlo

procesi.

_ saqarTveloSi araerTxel

Sewyvetila gripis epidemiis

gamo saswavlo procesi.

_ zustad magas vambob mec.

axla miT umetes unda Sewydes,

radganac sasikvdilo virusis

gavrcelebis safrTxis winaSe

varT. vinme Tu mainc ver mixvdeba,

ratom unda Sewydes saswavlo

procesi, maTTvis gavakeTeb

ganmartebebs: rogorc

wesi, saswavlo procesi wydeba

imis gamo, rom virusi yvelaze

metad daxurul sivrceSi vrceldeba.

saswavlo klasSi an

auditoriaSi erTma adamianmac

rom daaceminos, es sakmariasia,

rom iq myofi yvela piri dainficirdes.

Tavad xom dainficirdebian,

am viruss saxlSic

waiReben da ojaxis wevrebsac

gadasdeben.

yvelasTvis cnibilia, rom

daceminebis dros ramdenime

milioni virusi gamoiyofa. es

virusi marto haerwveTovani

gziT ar gadadis _ ileqeba tansacmelze,

skamze, yvelaferze,

rasac ki Seexeba adamiani. savalalo

Sedegebi rom Tavidan

aviciloT, saswavlo procesi

droebiT unda SeCerdes. es imisTvis

unda gavakeToT, rom

moswavleebi da studentebi virusis

gavrcelebisgan davicvaT.

seriozuli riskis zonaa sazogadoebrivi

transporti,

romliTac yoveldRiurad uamravi

adamiani gadaadgildeba.

ar minda, mediis mimarT sayveduri

gamomivides, magram Cveni

media koronaviruss arasaTanado

yuradRebas aqcevs. aba, CavrToT

msoflios yvela wamyvani

arxi da vnaxavT, iq ra xdeba.

evropasa da amerikaSi aCveneben,

rom sazogadoebriv transports

dReSi ramdenjerme amuSaveben

specialuri sadezinfeqcio

xsnarebiT. aseTi samu-

Saoebis Catareba daiwyes ruse-

TSic _ specialuri sadezinfeqcio

xsnarebiT muSavdeba saxelurebi

skamebi, metros Seasvlelebi.

es 100%-iT ar gamoricxavs

virusis gavrcelebas,

magram mniSvnelovnad aferxebs

misi gavrcelebis safrTxes.

davijero, Tbilisis merias

imxela resursi ar aqvs, rom sazogadoebrivi

transportis specialuri

xsnarebiT damuSaveba

daiwyos? an jandacvis saministros

muSakebi ratom arian

ase mSvidad? maincdamainc unda

gavrceldes virusi da mere

unda daiwyon am RonisZiebebis

gatareba? aseTi upasuxismgebloba

rogor SeiZleba?!

_ Tqveni azriT, ratom iqce-

vian ase upasuxismgeblod? imas

ver vityviT, rom gacnobierebuli

ar aqvT, Tu ra safrTxe Sei-

Zleba Seuqmnas koronavirusma

saqarTvelos mosaxleobas.

_ ver getyviT, ras ukavSirdeba

maTi udardeloba da upasuxismgebloba.

me is vici, rom

saTanado RonisZiebebis gatareba

unda daiwyon manam, sanam

es virusi gavrceldeba. imi-

jondi baRaTuria:

sTvis unda vibrZoloT, rom es

koronavirusi saqarTveloSi ar

dafiqsirdes. boroti midgoma

aqvs im Cinovnikebs, romlebic

saTanado RonisZiebebs mxolod

imitom ar atareben, rom saqar-

TveloSi es virusi jer ar dafiqsirebula.

RmerTma ar qnas

da aq rom eg virusi dafiqsirdes,

arc ki vici, ra gvelodeba.

_ kargi araferi gvelodeba.

_ sul raRac 3 milioni davrCiT

da SeiZleba, sul amovwydeT.

CineTis mosaxleoba miliard-naxevars

Seadgens. maTTvis

es virusi erovnuli safrTxe

aris, magram imdeni arian, ver

amowydebian, Cven ki namdvilad

`samwuxaroa, rom am TemiT arc media

interesdeba. isinic saafTiaqo mafiisgan

iReben dafinansebas. wamlebis reklamaSi es

kompaniebi did fuls ixdian. iq maTze cudi

rame rom iTqvas, reklamas sxvagan waiReben~

`viRacebi aq

elodebian,

koronavirusi

gavrceldes,

rom Semdeg

amiT fuli

gaakeTon~

gavwydebiT. ratom unda gavwyvitoT

Cveni mosaxleoba? imitom,

rom viRac Tanxebs ufrTxildeba?

mere ufro meti Tanxa

ar daixarjeba? Tu imis imedi

aqvT, rom koronavirusi saqar-

Tvelos verafers daaklebs?

mTeli msoflio winaswar iWers

Tadarigs da Cven ratom velodebiT,

maincdamainc, gavrcelebas?

es araswori da danaSaulebrivi

midgomaa.

_ CvenTan marTla didi safrTxea:

Cveni mosaxleobis didi

nawili saTanadod ver ikve-

beba, Sesabamisad, imunitetic

dabali aqvs da aq Tu virusi

gavrcelda, mas bevri ver

gaumklavdeba.

_ Cveni mosaxleobis 65%-ze

meti siRatakis zRvars miRma

cxovrobs. es gaxlavT statistikuri

monacemebi, romelsac

malavs rogorc xelisufleba,

aseve _ opozicia. saparlamento

opozicia bevr rameSi oponirebs

xelisuflebas, magram am

Temaze, ratomRac, xmas ar iRebs.

isini erTmaneTs namuss wmenden.

winaasarCevno Teatralizebul

cirkebs dgamen. ase cdiloben

eleqtoratis gayofas.

namdvil da seriozul problemebze

arasdros laparakoben.

_ zemoT TqviT, rom Cinosnebis

nawili arakeTilsindisierad

iqceva da ara marto isi-

ni _ farmacevtuli kompaniebi

uaress akeTebeno. rac korona-

virusi gamoCnda, pirbadeebi

gaaqres da axla uvargisi

Semoitanes. sad gagonila, rom

yvelafriT fuli gaakeTo?

_ Cven vapirebT gavavrceloT

videokadrebi, Tu ra xdeba

pirbadeebTan dakavSirebiT. daviwyoT

imiT, rom pirbadeebi ga-

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pirbadeebis gaZvirebis ukan?

aZvires. saxelmwifoSi ar aris

sakmarisi odenobis pirbade Semotanili.

rac Semosulia, isic

uxarisxoa. es pirbadeebi mosaxleobas

virusisgan ver daicavs.

_ erTma feisbuq-momxmare-

belma dawera, iseTi Txeli

pirbadeebia, rom iq virusi ki

ara, mec gavZvrebio.

_ marTla asea. gavavrcelebT

videokadrebs da yvela Tqvengani

naxavs, Tu ra masStabis usindisoba

xdeba. imasac naxavT,

ra astronomiulad aris gaZvirebuli

is pirbadeebi, romelic

marTla icavs adamians virusis

gavrcelebisgan.

Txeli pirbadeebi, romelic

saqarTveloSi Semoitanes, araefeqtiania.

maqsimum, ori saa-

Tis manZilze muSaobs. samwuxarod,

amasac ar eubnebian adamians.

televiziebidan amaze

aravin esaubreba xalxs. Tavdajerebuli,

brZnuli gamometyvelebiT

gamodian Cinosnebi da

amboben, rom mwvane zonaSi

varT. madloba RmerTs, rom riskis

zonaSi ar varT. sinamdvileSi,

Cven yvelaze maRali riskis

zonaSi varT.

_ ratom?

_ aseTi Cinovnikebi rom

gvyavs, es riskis yvelaze maRali

zonaa, aba, ra aris?! isini

elodebian, rodis gavrceldeba

virusi, rom mere mis winaaRmdeg

brZola daiwyon. arada,

winaswar unda ibrZolo, rom ar

gaCndes. Tu gavrcelda, mters.

albaT undaT kidec, rom gaCndes

virusi da amiT fuls gaakeTeben

_ biujetidan did Tanxebs

Camoweren.

_ CvenSi sxvis ubedurebaze

fulis keTeba Cveuli ambavi

gaxda. gasuli wlis Semodgo-

maze Tqven saafTiaqo mafiis

winaaRmdeg daiwyeT brZola.

Zalian qtiuri iyaviT da axla

aRar CanxarT, ra xdeba? am

Temaze xelisuflebasTanac

gqondaT konsultaciebi. miaRwieT

rames? daakles farmac-

evtulma kompaniebma wamlebs

fasebi?

_ Tavidan Zalian aqtiurad

daviwyeT. politikosebis nawilic

SemouerTda Cvens brZolas.

zogma am TemiT spekulantobac

ki daiwyo. rogorc ki

talRa gaqra, isini gaCerdnen.

rac Seexeba xelisuflebasTan

Cems kontaqts, Tavidan maTTan

SeTanxmebas mivaRwieT, parlamentis

jandacvis komitetTan

samuSao jgufic ki Seiqmna. am

jgufSi CarTuli iyvnen rogorc

farmacevtuli sferos warmomadgenlebi,

aseve jandacvis

saministros TanamSromlebi.

yvelaferi kargad daiwyo, magram

samuSao jgufis sxdoma

jer ar Catarebula.

_ ras elodebian?

_ situacia airia. akaki zoi-

Zem komitetis Tavmjdomaris

posti datova. imas ver vityvi,

èvropasa da amerikaSi aCveneben, rom sazogadoebriv transports dReSi

ramdenjerme amuSaveben specialuri sadezinfeqcio xsnarebiT. aseTi

samuSaoebis Catareba daiwyes ruseTSic - specialuri sadezinfeqcio

xsnarebiT muSavdeba saxelurebi skamebi, metros Sesasvlelebi. es 100%-iT ar

gamoricxavs virusis gavrcelebas, magram mniSvnelovnad aferxebs misi

gavrcelebis safrTxes. davijero, Tbilisis merias imxela resursi ar aqvs,

rom sazogadoebrivi transportis specialuri xsnarebiT damuSaveba daiwyos?

an jandacvis saministros muSakebi ratom arian ase mSvidad? maincdamainc

unda gavrceldes virusi da mere unda daiwyon am RonisZiebebis gatareba?~

rom Cveni kampaniis gamo farmacevtuli

kompaniebi SeSindnen

da wamlebs fasi daakles. imdenad

maRali donis mfarvelebi

hyavT, rom fasebs ar amcireben.

raRac RonisZiebebs ki atareben

Tvalis asaxvevad. afTiaqebSi

Cemi Sesvla ar uxariaT. ra wamalic

ar unda moviTxovo, meubnebian,

rom ar gvaqvso. aseTi

gziT cdiloben, Tavidan momi-

Soron. mere sxvebi SevuSvi da

davafiqsireT, Tu ra xdeba af-

TiaqebSi.

saxelmwifos Zalian saintereso

programa aqvs pensionerebisTvis.

gadaudebel medikamentebs

maT 1 larad aZleven. es

programa rom xorcieldebodes,

kargi iqneboda. farmacevtuli

kompaniebi didi zarzeimiT

CaerTnen am programaSi,

magram misi Sesruleba ar surT

da arc asruleben. Sedis pensioneri

da iTxovs im gadaudebel

wamals, romelic mas 1 la-

`didi unamusobaa. pensionerebma skandali rom

ar moawyon, maT sadRac sxva afTiaqSi agzavnian

da eubnebian, rom iq iqneba maTTvis saWiro

wamali, midian iq da igive situacia xvdebaT.

normalur qveyanaSi amaze seriozuli skandali

agordeboda, aq ki amis aravis eSinia.

farmacevtuli kompaniebi imdenad daculad

grZnoben Tavs, rom arafers aRar eridebian.

erT pensioners rom uTxres, programiT

gaTvaliswinebuli aRar gvaqvs da Tu gindaT,

komerciuli iyideTo, hkiTxa, - eg wamali aqeT

rom gadmodoT, ar SeiZlebao? da sastiki uari

uTxres. programa, romelic pensionerebisTvis

aris, Zalian kargia, magram is ar muSaobs. amas

xelisuflebam yuradReba unda miaqcios~

rad ekuTvnis. eubnebian, rom

programiT gaTvaliswinebuli

wamali aRar gvaqvs, magram komerciuli

gvaqvso.

_ erTsa da imave wamalzea

saubari?

_ diax. ubralod, sxva Taroze

udevT da pensioners eubnebian,

rom es wamali Cveulebriv

fasad unda iyidon.

_ radgan sxva Taroze devs?

_ asea.

_ ra unamusobaa.

_ didi unamusobaa. pensionerebma

skandali rom ar moawyon,

maT sadRac sxva afTiaqSi

agzavnian da eubnebian, rom iq

iqneba maTTvis saWiro wamali,

midian iq da igive situacia

xvdebaT. normalur qveyanaSi

amaze seriozuli skandali agordeboda,

aq ki amis aravis eSinia.

farmacevtuli kompaniebi

imdenad daculad grZnoben

Tavs, rom arafers aRar eridebian.

erT pensioners rom uTxres,

programiT gaTvaliswinebuli

aRar gvaqvs da Tu gindaT,

komerciuli iyideTo, hki-

Txa, _ eg wamali aqeT rom gadmodoT,

ar SeiZlebao? da sastiki

uari uTxres. programa,

romelic pensionerebisTvis aris,

Zalian kargia, magram is ar

muSaobs. amas xelisuflebam

yuradReba unda miaqcios.

_ C hepatitis samkurnalod

gamoyofil wamlebs rom vada

gauyvanes, amasTan dakavSirebiT

Tu iciT rame? naxevari mi-

liardi laris Rirebulebis

wamali rogor unda gadayaron?

es mavneblobaa Tu ko-

rufcia?

_ simarTle giTxraT, ver

gavarkvie, Tu ra mizeziT ar gamoiyenes

am raodenobis wamali.

aq, minimum, danaSaulebrv gulgrilobasTan

gvaqvs saqme. amas

seriozuli Seswavla sWirdeba.

veWvob, didi danaSauli moxda.

ar gamovricxav, rom raRac

obieqturi mizezebic iyo.

_ wamlebis fasebis Temas

davubrundeT, am sakiTxis wamowevas

kidev Tu apirebT? ro-

ca Tqven es kampania daiwyeT,

xalxs raRac imedi gauCnda,

gansakuTrebiT, pensionerebs.

_ am Temaze muSaoba arc Semiwyvetia

da arc Sevwyvet. es Tema

politikam gadafara. zemoT

giTxariT, rom samuSao jgufic

Seiqmna. am jgufis pirveli

sxdoma „ocnebis” mier sakonstitucio

cvlilebis Cagdebas

daemTxva, _ proporciul saarCevno

sistemaze gadasvlas

vgulisxmob. amis sawinaaRmdegod

opoziciam aqciebis seria

daiwyo. winasaarCevno cirkma,

„nacebisa” da „ocnebis” Teatralizebulma

kinklaobam, yvela

sxva Tema gadafara.

_ axla media, ZiriTadad,

winasaarCevno bataliebzea ga-

dasuli, magram wamlebis fasic

aranakleb skandaluri Temaa.

siZviris gamo adamianebi uwam-

lobiT ixocebian.

_ geTanxmebiT, saafTiaqo mafia

umniSvnelovanesi da skandaluri

Temaa. samwuxarod, rac

ufro mniSvnelovania Tema,

„ocneba” da „nacionalebi” miT

ufro cdiloben mis gadafarvas

da amas erTiani ZalebiT

akeTeben. „nacionalebi” xom ase

Zalian arian „ocnebasTan” dapirispirebuli,

erTxel mainc

ratom ar uTxres, rom wamlebs

aZvireben da saafTiaqo mafias

ar ebrZvian? samwuxarod, aris

tabudadebuli Temebi, romlebzedac

arc xelisufleba iRebs

xmas da arc _ opozicia. wamlebis

Temaze maTi dumili imaze

miuTiTebs, rom „ocnebasac” da

wina xelisuflebasac saafTiaqo

mafia afinansebs. politikur

partiebs sanam farmacevtuli

biznesisgan fulis

miReba ar aekrZalebaT, manamde

sul aseTi mdgomareoba iqneba.

samwuxaroa, rom am TemiT arc

media interesdeba. isinic saaf-

Tiaqo mafiisgan iReben dafinansebas.

wamlebis reklamaSi es

kompaniebi did fuls ixdian. iq

maTze cudi rame rom iTqvas,

reklamas sxvagan waiReben.

Zalian rTuli mdgomareobaa

am mxriv da saafTiaqo mafiasTan

brZolis mogeba ioli ar

iqneba. amisTvis sazogadoebis

mxardaWera aucilebelia. xalxi

quCaSi Tu ar gamoviyvaneT, am

Caketil wres ver gavarRvevT.

aqcias aqamdec movawyobdiT,

magram yvelaferi kargad unda

gavTvaloT. bevri xalxi Tu ar

gamovida, efeqts ver miviRebT.

amitom ar vCqarobT da vcdilobT,

yvelaferi kargad iyos

organizebuli. imedi maqvs, rom

parlamentTan bevri xalxis

gamoyvanas movaxerxebT.

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òcnebam~ amerikul piarsa da

is, rom saqarTvelos xelisu-

giorgi abaSiZe

fleba CixSia, SeuiaraRebeli

TvaliTac Cans. yvelafers Tavi

rom davaneboT, ivaniSvilis gundi amerikeli Tu evropeli

gavleniani politikosebisgan werils, ufro sworad, gafrTx-

ilebas gafrTxilebaze iRebs. miuxedavad amisa, „ocneba” ori

yuris principiT moqmedebs da lamis mTel msoflios „na-

cionalebis” mekavSired naTlavs, anu xelisufleba imas ki ar

uSvebs, rom damnaSavea, aramed amtkicebs, rom yvelaferi, rac

bolo dros xdeba, imis Sedegia, rom yofili mmarTveli gun-

di dasavlel partniorebTan kargad muSaobs.

àRqmam, rom `qarTuli ocneba~ politikur

samizned aqcevs aSS-is mier mxardaWeril

anakliis ganviTarebis konsorciums, axla ukve

SeaCera arsebuli an gaaCera SesaZlo

investiciebi amerikuli kompaniebis mxridan am

mniSvnelovan proeqtSi. es tendenciebi, rogorc

Cans, ireklavs mzardad arakeTilmosurne

biznesgaremos da maT gamo SesaZloa, aSS-sgan

samomavlo investiciebic gaCerdes

saqarTveloSi. Semcirebuli ucxouri

investiciebi zians ayenebs ara mxolod qarTvel

xalxsa da maT imedebs dasavlur institutebTan

ufro Rrma integraciis Taobaze, aramed aseve

aZlierebs vladimir putinis gavlenas regionSi.

saqarTvelos SeuZlia iyos umniSvnelovanesi

habi aSS-dan evropasa da Sua aziaSi da piriqiT

moZravi saqonlisTvis, rac waadgeboda

saqarTvelos ekonomikas~

haerSi gasrolili

xalxis fuli, anu

mizani, romelmac

saSualeba ver

gaamarTla!

amasTan, „ocneba” Tavs imiTac

imarTlebs, rom TviTon sagareo

piarze sabiujeto Tanxebs ar

xarjavs, Tumca rogorc irkveva,

ivaniSvilis gundi aqac ityueba.

yovel SemTxvevaSi, politikur

moZraoba „tribunaSi”, romlis

damfuZnebelic damoukidebeli

deputati daviT WiWinaZea, acxadeben,

rom „ocnebam” lobisturi

kompaniebis momsaxurebaSi saxelmwifo

biujetidan 8 milioni

daxarja da es maSin, roca lobistebis

momsaxurebis sabazro

Rirebuleba 800 aTas amerikul

dolars ar unda aRematebodes.

„lobistebisTvis fulis gadaxda

sagareo politikis warmoeba

araa, mTavari problema araprofesionalizmi,

anu isaa, rom saelCoebi

xelmocaruli, Camowerili

politikosebis TavSesafari

gaxda. sagareo saqmeTa saministro

ki maRalCinosanTa colebis

daqalebis dasaqmebis adgilad

iqca. mokled, Tavad ivaniSvili

da es xelisufleba sagareo politikas

ar uyurebs, rogorc

qveynis ganviTarebisa da erovnuli

interesebis ganxorcielebis

mniSvnelovan momentsa da komponents.

ai, esaa ZiriTadi problema.

Cveni strategiuli partniorebi

miiCneven, rom qveyana katastrofis

winaSea da ukve daufaravad

saubroben im sanqciebze,

romelic, pirvel rigSi, xelisuflebis

maRalCinosnebsa da piradad

biZina ivaniSvils Seexeba.

korufcia, demokratiuli faseulobebis

xelyofa, ganukiTxaoba,

nepotizmi, saxelmwifo institutebis

ignorireba _ ai, yvelafer

am viwro partiul interesebsa

da sakuTari jibis gasqelebas

gadaayola dRevandelma

mmarTvelma partiam qveyana”, _

acxadeben „tribunaSi”.

amasTan, irkveva, rom mimdinare

wels „ocnebam” pirveli kontraqti

kompania Strate Various Inc-

Tan gaaforma. xelSekrulebis

Tanaxmad, kompania saqarTvelos

mTavrobas aSS-is politikis analizsa

da generaluri strategiis

SemuSavebaSi unda daxmareboda.

kompanias aseve unda moemzadebina

principuli gzavnilebi

saqarTvelos oficialuri

pirebisTvis. xelSekruleba 25

ianvars gaformda da moqmedebis

vadad 31 dekemberi ganisazRvra.

am periodSi yovelTviuri gadasaxadi

12 aTasi dolaria, rac weliwadSi

180 aTas dolars utoldeba.

amas garda, „tribunis” monacemebiT,

2019 wlis 29 marts

saqarTvelos mTavrobam, kerZod,

ekonomikis maSindelma ministrma,

giorgi qobuliam, kompania

Hill+Knowlton Strategies-sTan xelSekruleba

gaaforma. kontraqtis

Rirebuleba 1,8 milioni dolari

iyo, saidanac 750 aTasi dolari

proeqtis Rirebulebaze modioda,

1,1 milioni ki fasiani mediaproduqciis

warmoebasa da

ganTavsebaze unda daxarjuliyo.

am TanamSromlobiT aSS-Si unda

amaRlebuliyo cnobiereba saqarTvelos

Sesaxeb. yvelaferi es

ki unda daxmareboda aSS-isa da

saqarTvelos Soris ufro mWidro

politikuri da ekonomikuri

TanamSromlobis damyarebas.

Strate Various-is paralelurad,

saqarTvelos mTavrobam xelSekruleba

kidev erT lobistur

kompaniasTan _ Chartwell Strategy

Group LLC-sTan ganaaxla. momsaxurebis

yovelTviuri safasuri

65 aTasi dolariT ganisazRvra,

xelSekruleba 12 TviT gaformda.

Sesabamisad, kompaniis momsaxureba

saqarTvelos mTavrobas

sul 780 aTasi dolari daujda.

„mokled, marto 2019 wels,

oficialuri monacemebiT, „ocnebis”

xelisuflebam lobistur

momsaxurebaSi qveynis biujetidan

2,7 milioni aSS dolari gadaixada,

Tumca yvelafer amis miuxedavad,

saqarTvelos xelisuflebisadmi

ndoba qveynis SigniT

da gareT nulamdea dasuli. am

srul politikur da diplomatiur

kraxs „ocnebis” xelisufleba

xan Cveni strategiuli partniorebis

cudad informirebulobas,

xanac sakuTari lobistebis

cud muSaobas abralebs”, _

acxadeben politikur moZraoba

„tribunaSi”.

„tribunis” mier gasajaroebul

informaciaze „ocnebas” komentari

jer ar gaukeTebia, Tumca

unda vivaraudoT, rom ivaniSvilis

gundi yvelafer amas uaryofs

da isev „Zvel simReras imRerebs”,

anu ityvis, rom is lobisturi

kompaniebi, romlebTanac

xelSekrulebebi hqonda

gaformebuli, faruli „nacionalebi”

iyvnen.

amerikeli da evropeli politikosebis

„nacionalobaSi” dadanaSauleba

iqiT iyos da TavisTavad

sainteresoa, ra weria im werilebSi,

romlebsac „ocneba” lamis

yoveldRiur reJimSi iRebs?

„qronika+~ gTavazobT erTerTi

werlis araoficialur

Targmans. aqve getyviT, rom am

werils gaxarias aparati im dromde

malavda, sanam ustaris Sesaxeb

gancxadeba kongresmenma adam

kinzingerma ar gaakeTa:

„batono premier-ministro

gaxaria, gwerT, rogorc kongresis

wevrebi, romlebic didi xania

mxars uWeren saqarTvelos svlas

demokratiuli reformebisken

da dasavleTSi integraciisken.

Tumca, rogorc zogierTma Cvenganma

Tqven winaSe 2019 wlis 13

dekembriT daTariRebul weril-

Si ukve gamovxateT, Cven SeSfoTebuli

varT gadawyvetilebiT,

uari Tqmuliyo dapirebul demokratiul

reformebze da amasTan

dakavSirebuli ZaladobiT

mSvidobiani demonstrantebis

winaaRmdeg. amave dros, CvenSi

gangaSs iwvevs anakliis Rrmawylovani

sazRvao portis proeqtis

politizeba.

maSin, roca saqarTvelo, „qarTuli

ocnebis” xelmZRvanelobiT,

uaxlovdeba 2020 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebs, Cven kvlav

mogiwodebT daicvaT am arCevnebis

legitimuroba da uzrunvelyoT

misi daculoba rogorc Sida,

ise gare Carevisgan. 2019 wlis 17

dekembriT daTariRebul sapasuxo

werilSi Tqven dagvpirdiT,

rom 2020 wlis arCevnebi umaRlesi

standartiT Catardeba. Tum-

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lobistebSi milionebi daxarja!

ca bolo periodSi gavrcelebuli

cnobebis Tanaxmad, feisbuks

mouwia „qarTuli ocnebis” mier

dafinansebuli angariSebis far-

To qselis daxurva. is faqti,

rom es angariSebi, rogorc Cans,

avrcelebda antidemokratiul,

antidasavlur Sexedulebebs,

ubralod miuRebelia.

amave dros, Cven gvaSfoTebs

cnobebi „qarTuli ocnebis” mier

daniSnuli prokurorebis mier

Zveli saqmeebis kvlav aRZvris

Sesaxeb partiis oponentebis winaaRmdeg.

am saqmeebis nawils Sesa-

Zloa, Rirebuleba hqondes, sxvebi

ki aRqmulia, rogorc wamyvani

opoziciuri liderebis, axali

ambebis mwarmoeblebis, saerTa-

Soriso korporaciebisa da samoqalaqo

sazogadoebis wevrebis

mizanSi amoReba. kanonis uzenaesobis

dacva da miukerZoebeli

sasamarTlo sistema umniSvnelovanesia

jansaRi demokratiisTvis

da Tavisufali da samarTliani

arCevnebis uzrunvelsayofad,

risi garantiac Tqvenma partiam

gasca.

1991 wlis damoukideblobis

mopovebidan Cven Tvals vadevnebT

qarTveli xalxis mZlavr svlas

demokratiisken da dasavle-

TTan partniorobis gaRrmavebisken.

magram, ukanaskneli sami aTwleulis

ganmavlobaSi, mocemuli

imedis miuxedavad, bolo periodSi

gamokveTili demokratiuli

da ekonomikuri tendenciebi

uaryofiTad moqmedebs saqarTvelos

imijze aSS-Si. samwuxarod,

ekonomikis indikatorebi

mkveTr klebas aCvenebs pirdapir

ucxour investiciebSi saqarTveloSi

im fonze, roca amerikulma

da evropulma kompaniebma Seviwroeba

ganicades, ris gamoc

bevrma gadasinja sakuTari bizneswamowyebebi.

amasTan, aRqmam, rom „qarTuli

ocneba” politikur samizned

aqcevs aSS-is mier mxardaWeril

anakliis ganviTarebis konsorciums,

axla ukve SeaCera arsebuli

an gaaCera SesaZlo investiciebi

amerikuli kompaniebis mxridan am

mniSvnelovan proeqtSi. es tendenciebi,

rogorc Cans, ireklavs

mzardad arakeTilmosurne biznesgaremos

da maT gamo Sesa-

Zloa, aSS-sgan samomavlo investiciebic

gaCerdes saqarTvelo-

Si. Semcirebuli ucxouri investiciebi

zians ayenebs ara mxolod

qarTvel xalxsa da maT imedebs

dasavlur institutebTan

ufro Rrma integraciis Taobaze,

aramed aseve aZlierebs vladimir

putinis gavlenas regionSi.

saqarTvelos SeuZlia iyos umniSvnelovanesi

habi aSS-dan evropasa

da Sua aziaSi da piriqiT

moZravi saqonlisTvis, rac waadgeboda

saqarTvelos ekonomikas.

am SeSfoTebas gamovxatavT

saqarTvelos demokratiis gaZlierebisa

da kongresis derefneb-

Si saqarTvelos mimarT arsebul,

`saqarTveloze xeli aravis Cauqnevia. ukmayofileba ara saqarTvelos,

aramed saqarTvelos mTavrobiskenaa mimarTuli. aravin akritikebs qarTvel

xalxs, aravin ambobs, rom qarTvelma xalxma ver SeZlo demokratiis aSeneba.

Tu vinmes reputacia ilaxeba, es mTavrobis reputaciaa da ara - qveynis!~

orpartiul da orpalatian mxardaWeraze

uaryofiTi gavlenis

ardaSvebis imedebiT. vimedovnebT,

rom Tqveni mTavroba iTanamSromlebs

aSS-is kongresTan,

elC keli degnanTan, evrokavSir-

Tan da arasamTavrobo organizaciebTan,

demokratiuli institutebis

gaZlierebisa da qarTveli

xalxis ekonomikuri keTildReobis

gafarToebis mizniT,

raTa saqarTvelom, kvlavac bevri

samomavlo wlis ganmavloba-

Si, SeZlos iyos aSS-is strategiuli

partniori. mouTmenlad

veliT Tqvens pasuxs”, _ naTq-

vamia werilSi, romelic mimdinare

wlis 21 ianvriT TariRdeba

da romelsac xels aweren:

aSS-is kongresis warmomad-

genelTa palataSi saqarTvelos

jgufis TanaTavmjdomareebi,

respublikeli kongresmeni adam

kinzingeri da demokrati kon-

gresmeni jerald konoli, aseve

sagareo komitetis demokrati

Tavmjdomare eliot engeli da

imave komitetis mTavari res-

publikeli wevri maikl makkoli.

***

erTi sityviT, „ocnebis” gar-

Semo sagareo ganwyoba, rogorc

ityvian, TandaTan viwrovdeba.

marTalia, ivaniSvilis gundi yvelafer

amaze Tvals xuWavs da

ambobs, rom sagangaSo araferi

xdeba, magram aq is ki araa mTavari,

Tu ras fiqroben „ocneba-

Si”, mTavaria, ra ganwyoba aqvT

Cvens dasavlel partniorebsa da

dasavleTis gavlenian politikur

analitikosebs.

ai, magaliTad, „halifaqsis

saerTaSoriso usafrTxoebis

forumis” vice-prezidenti, robin

Separdi acxadebs, rom saqar-

Tvelos xelisuflebam kongresmenebis

werilebi seriozulad

`mokled, marto 2019 wels, oficialuri

monacemebiT, òcnebis~ xelisuflebam

lobistur momsaxurebaSi qveynis biujetidan

2,7 milioni aSS dolari gadaixada, Tumca

yvelafer amis miuxedavad, saqarTvelos

xelisuflebisadmi ndoba qveynis SigniT da

gareT nulamdea dasuli. am srul politikur

da diplomatiur kraxs òcnebis~ xelisufleba

xan Cveni strategiuli partniorebis cudad

informirebulobas, xanac sakuTari

lobistebis cud muSaobas abralebs~

unda aRiqvas:

„es werilebi imaze miuTiTebs,

rom kongresSi saqarTveloze

fiqroben da es kargis niSania, _

ambobs Separdi „amerikis xmas-

Tan” saubrisas da dasZens, _

amerikis SeerTebuli Statebi

globaluri Zalaa da samyaros

globaluri Zalis linziT uyurebs.

Zalian rTulia aSS-Si erT

konkretul sakiTxze warmomadgenelTa

palatis, senatis, politikuri

istebliSmentis yuradRebis

miqceva. is faqti, rom kongresis

oTxma wevrma saqarTvelos

werili gaugzavna (ori TviT

adre kidev iyo msgavsi werili)

imas niSnavs, rom kongresSi saqarTveloze

fiqroben.

aSS saqarTvelos problemebs

ver gadauWris, es TviTon saqar-

Tvelom unda gaakeTos, magram

aSS-s SeuZlia saqarTvelos mxardaWera

gamoucxados an Rirebulebebis

Tanxvedraze gancxadeba

gaakeTos saerTaSoriso

forumebze.

aSS-is kongress ukiduresad

gavleniani rezoluciebis miReba

SeuZlia. es werilebi kargis

niSani imitomaa, rom isini miu-

TiTebs imaze, rom aSS-is kongresSi

adamianebi saqarTveloze

fiqroben da mas yuradRebas

aqceven.

saqarTveloze bevri mniSvnelovani

adamiani fiqrobs. kongresis

werilebTan erTad dekemberSi

saxelmwifo departamentma

kritikuli gancxadeba

gaakeTa, aseve evrokavSirmac.

msoflio ver wamoxteba erT

dRes da saqarTvelos yvela problemas

ver mougvarebs, magram

xalxi saqarTveloze fiqrobs da

mas akvirdeba. es kargis niSania.

saqme ise gamoiyureba, rom

saqarTvelos mTavroba kanonis

uzenaesobas asustebs, presaze

iyo zewola, gaurkvevelia damokidebuleba

ruseTTan, romelic

saqarTvelos okupacias agr-

Zelebs. Tu ase iqcevi, amas cxadia,

samarTliani kritikac mohyveba.

SeiZleba, saqarTvellos

xelisufleba gabrazdes, rom vi-

Rac akritikebs, magram meti

yuradReba imazea misaqcevi, Tu

TviTon ras akeTebs.

sxvaTa Soris, is mTavrobebi,

romlebic „cudad iqcevian”,

yovelTvis imas amboben, rom adgilobrivi

oponentebi uqmnian

problemebs da saerTaSoriso

doneze am kritikas iwveven. isini

sakuTar moqmedebebs arasodes

afaseben. magaliTad, proporciuli

sistema rom moviyvanoT _

saqarTveloSi mosaxleobis ukmayofileba

izrdeba. xalxis didi

nawili ukmayofiloa. am ukmayofilebis

Casacxrobad mTavrobam

piroba dado, rom 2020 wlis

arCevnebi proporciuli sistemiT

Catardeboda. Semdeg mTavroba

gamovida da es dapireba

ukan waiRo. es realobaa, rac

opozicias ar gamougonia.

igive xdeba mosamarTleebTan

dakavSirebiTac. sasamarTlos

kontroli, zogadad, „neoavtoritarizmis”

erT-erTi mniSvnelovani

nawilia. es putinis

saxelmZRvaneloa _ akontrole

sasamarTlo, diskreditacia gaukeTe

arasamTavrobo seqtors,

SezRude media.

aSS-is saelCo, amerikuli arasamTavroboebi

xedaven, saqarTveloSi

ra xdeba. maT ar sWirdebaT

opoziciis imedze yofna imisTvis,

rom informacia miiRon.

isini aranakleb informacias awvdian

amerikel politikosebs. imis

Tqma, rom amas mxolod opozicia

akeTebs, ubralod, arasworia.

Cemi azriT, saqarTvelos gareT

xalxi xedavs, rom qveyanaSi

raRaca problemuri xdeba. es

imas ar niSnavs, rom saqarTvelos

reputacia Seilaxa.

me ase Sors ar wavidodi. saqarTveloze

xeli aravis Cauqnevia.

ukmayofileba ara saqarTvelos,

aramed saqarTvelos mTavrobiskenaa

mimarTuli.

aravin akritikebs qarTvel

xalxs, aravin ambobs, rom qar-

Tvelma xalxma ver SeZlo demokratiis

aSeneba. Tu vinmes reputacia

ilaxeba, es mTavrobis reputaciaa

da ara _ qveynis!”

ainteresebs Tu ara „ocnebas”

sakuTari reputacia? _ im mocemulobidan

gamomdinare, rac

gvaqvs, rom xelisufleba arc

sakuTar Tavze fiqrobs da, miT

umetes, arc _ qveyanaze, amas isic

mowmobs, rom „ocnebis” lider-

Sifi amerikelebs pretenziebs,

rogorc zemoT aRvniSneT, iqiT

uyenebs. metic, magaliTad, premierma

gaxariam isic Tqva, rom

partniorebi erTmaneTs werilebiT

ar unda elaparakebodnen.

arada, werilebiT saubari, minimum,

diplomatiuri enaa, Tumca

okeanisgaRmidan gamogzavnil werilebSi

toni imaze ufro mkacria,

vidre diplomatia moiTxovs.

N3 (305) 4.02-10.02.2020 w.

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`lavrovis TbilisSi Camosvla

qarTuli politikis kabadonze

Sorena marsagiSvili

SesaZloa, erTma Zvelma varskvlav-

599 92 16 22

ma gaielvos. gavrcelebuli infor-

maciiT, „qarTuli ocneba” mixeil

qarelis gamorCevas apirebs. amboben, rom Sida qarTlis yofili

gubernatori gorSi mmarTveli partiis maJoritarobis kandidati

iqneba. am informaciis gavrcelebas gorSi didi ukmayofileba

moyva. gorelebs kargad axsovT qarelis sagmiro saqmeebi, rode-

sac is Sida qarTlis gubernatori iyo. am sagmiro saqmeebidan

gamomdinare, mas minimaluri Sansi eqneba arCevnebis mosagebad. miSa

qarelis sagmiro saqmeebi kargad axsovs partia „saxelmwifo xalxisTvis”

erT-erT damfuZnebel medea abaSiZes. mas uWirs imis da-

jereba, rom reitingdavardnili „qarTuli ocneba” iseT komikur

da miuRebel personaJs waradgens maJoritarad, rogoric Sida

qarTlis yofili gubernatoria. abaSiZe fiqrobs, rom mmarTveli

partia qarels raRac binZuri saqmeebisTvis iyenebs, maJoritar-

obis pirobas aZlevs da Semdeg gadaagdebs.

ratom aris warmoudgeneli

mixeil qarelis dabruneba? ra

informaciebi vrceldeba evropa-

Si „qarTul ocnebaze”? ratom

eSinia ivaniSvils mesame Zalis?

ras niSnavs politikur proceseb-

Si axalgazrdebis CarTva? ratom

ar aqvs alternativa opoziciis

erTianobas? sad aris gamosavali?

_ am Temebze medea abaSiZe „qron-

ika+”-s esaubreba:


„qarTulma ocnebam” Sida qarT-

lis yofili gubernatori, miSa

qareli, SeiZleba goris maJoritarad

waradginos. araa gamoricx-

uli, is mmarTveli partiis saar-

Cevno siaSi vixiloT. am personis

warsulidan gamomdinare es cota

daujerebelia. Tqven ras fiqrobT

amasTan dakavSirebiT, gariskavs

ivaniSvilis partia mis maJori-

tarad wardgenas?

_ am informacias mxolod iumoriT

SeiZleba Sexvdes kaci. „qarTuli

ocneba” miSa qarelis ma-

Joritarad wardgenas Tu apirebs

da sxva arCevani ar aqvs, misi saqme

marTla Zalian cudad yofila.

qarels mTeli gori kargad icnobs.

is odiozuri da gaunaTlebeli

adamiania. misi moRvaweobidan uamravi

komikuri faqti SeiZleba gavixsenoT.

Tundac igive rusuli

enis codna-arcodna, rac yvelaze

naklebi danaSaulia, radganac am

adamians bevri binZuri saqme aqvs

gakeTebuli. „qarTul ocnebas” uyvars

9 welze saubari, miSa qareli

ki am 9 wlis erT-erTi aSkara saxea.

gorelebs kargad axsovT, misi

gubernatorobis dros rogor ar-

Tmevdnen xalxs qonebas. rogor

aformebdnen notariusebSi am qonebas

sxvebze. misi saxeli araerT

Zaladobas ukavSirdeba. is ramdenime

welia, rac saqarTveloSi dabrunda,

cxovrobs Tavis sofelSi

da gareTac ver gamodis.

aqedan gamomdinare, „ocnebas”

maJoritarad misi dayeneba ar unda

awyobdes. am informacias ver vijereb,

mecineba. es adamiani erTxel

mainc unda gyavdes nanaxi, rom amaze

seriozuli komentari gaakeTo.

misi kandidaturis dayeneba niSnavs,

rom gors waageben. ufro mgonia,

rom raRac sibinZuris gakeTebis

sanacvlod dahpirdnen, maJoritarad

wargadgenTo da gadaagdes.

gadagdeba dRevandeli xelisuflebis

damaxasiaTebeli Tvisebaa.

amis garda, ramdenadac vici,

„ocnebas” ukve SerCeuli hyavs is

kandidatebi, visac gorSi waradgenen

da meeWveba, maT qarels rame

dauTmon.

_ da Tu mainc waradgines? „oc-

nebisgan” ukve yvelaferia mosal-

odneli. sadac amerikaSi saqmis

gasarCevad arCevad gegmaven wasvlas da

lagodexis maJoritari kongresmenebisTvis

cnobierebis amaRle-

bas apirebs, iq ra gasakviria, miSa

qareli goris maJoritarad wara-

dginon?

_ „qarTuli ocnebisgan” aRaraferi

gamikvirdeba. axla isini panikur

mdgomareobaSi imyofebian,

panika ki Secdomebs badebs. dRevandel

xelisuflebas isedac bevri

Scdoma aqvs daSvebuli da qarelis

damateba maTTvisac ki ukve nametani

iqneba. es imas niSnavs, rom gor-

Si arCevnebs waageben. Tundac amitom

unda Tqvan uari mis kandidaturaze,

Tuki es sakiTxi marTlac

ganixileba.

kongresmenebi axseneT da saqar-

Tvelos xelisuflebaze aseTi saerTaSoriso

zewola jer ar yofila.

mTeli msofliosTvis cnobilia,

Tu ra xdeba realurad Cvens

qveyanaSi. yvelam icis, rom saqar-

Tvelos xelisufleba araferze

ixevs ukan, oRond Zalaufleba SeinarCunos.

isini xSirad arc ukanonobasa

da Zaladobaze amboben

uars, rac dasavleTisTvis miuRebelia.

2012 wels xalxma „qarTuli ocneba”

im imediT airCia, rom samarTlianoba

aRdgeboda. xelisuflebaSi

mosvlamde ivaniSvili da misi

partia sul amaze laparakobdnen.

movidnen Tu ara xelisuflebaSi,

samarTlianobis aRdgenis nacvlad

kohabitacia SemogvTavazes. gveubnebodnen,

es saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobis

moTxovnaa da qveynis demokratiul

ganviTarebas sWirdebao.

me veTanxmebi sazogadoebis did

nawils, rom wina xelisuflebis

dros Zalian bevri ukanonoba moxda

da samarTlianoba aRsadgeni

iyo. amasTan, aucileblad unda

aRiniSnos erTi garemoeba: maSin

qveyana swori kursiT midioda da

raRac kargic keTdeboda. axla

arc kursia swori, arc araferi ke-

Tdeba da „nacionalur moZraoba-

Si” vinc cudi iyo, dRes yvela „qarTul

ocnebaSia”. mTeli saqarTvelos

masStabiT asea, magram me goris

magaliTze SemiZlia gesaubroT.

aq vcxovrob da patara qalaqsa da

raionSi yvelaferi ufro kargad

Cans.

„nacionalur moZraobaSi” iyvnen

kargebic da cudebic. es cudebi

mokrifa „qarTulma ocnebam” da

dRes isini maRalCinosnebad gvevlinebian.

samarTlianobis aRdge-

medea abaSiZe:

saqarTvelos

xelisuflebaze

aseTi

saerTaSoriso

zewola jer ar

yofila~

nis nacvlad miviReT qveynis rRveva

da damnaSaveebis dawinaureba.

Cem garSemo adamiani ar arsebobs,

romelic „qarTuli ocnebis” mmarTvelobiT

iqneba kmayofili.

dRes sazogadoeba daucvelia. elementarulad,

sasamarTlos imedic

ar unda gqondes. 90-iani wlebi

daabrunes. saqmis gakeTeba Tu ginda,

nacnobi unda gyavdes sadRac.

am gaWirvebas, kriminalis momZlavrebasa

da usamarTlobas emateba

Cveni teritoriebis okupacia. dRe

ar gava, rom rusebma e. w. sazRvari

ar gadmowion. amas mTeli saqarTvelo

ganicdis, magram es gorisTvis

bevrad ufro mtkivneulia,

imitom rom es pirdapir gvexeba.

CemTvis yvelaze mtkivneulia es,

magram arafris gakeTeba ar SemiZlia.

amas mxolod xelisufleba da

swori politika SeiZleba daupirispirdes.

xelisuflebas ki amasTan

dapirispirebis arc survili aqvs

da arc _ unari. am yvelafridan gamomdinare,

Zalian gamikvirdeba,

Tu xelisufleba qarelis kandidaturis

wamoyenebas gabedavs. jer

gamecineba da mere gavikvirveb.

Tumca „ocneba” iseT dReSia, maTgan

ukve yvelaferia mosalodneli.

_ imis garda, rom maTgan yve-

laferia mosalodneli, partiaSi

qarelze Wkvianebi ar hyavT. da

maT fonze es adamiani raRac gan-

sakuTrebulad ar gamoCndeba.

ìvaniSvils ainteresebda, saqarTveloSi

ramdeni adamiani iyo iseTi, visac arc òcneba~

undoda da arc - `nacionaluri moZraoba~.

biZina ivaniSvili politikaSi xom aseTi

deviziT movida - Sua unda gaikrifos. Zalian

bevri gakrifa kidevac da qveyana or polusad

gayo. amis miuxedavad, xalxSi moTxovna ismoda

mesame Zalaze. mesame Zala SeiZleboda, Cven

vyofiliyaviT. Zalian maRali interesi iyo

Cveni partiis mimarT. uamravi adamiani

modioda CvenTan. biZina ivaniSvilma dainaxa,

rom saqarTveloSi Zalian bevri iyo xalxi,

romelsac arc wina xelisufleba undoda da

arc - moqmedi. es bunebrivia, ar moewona da

partiis ganadgureba daiwyo~

_ inteleqtis TvalsazrisiT

„qarTul ocnebas” Zalian uWirs.

2016 wlis saparlamento arCevneb-

Si partiam „saxelmwifo xalxisTvis”

goris maJoritarad warmadgina.

winasaarCevno periodSi

„ocnebis” maJoritarobis kandidatebTan

mqonda Sexeba. es adamianebi

CemTvis ucxoni ar arian da

ar miwyenen, Tu simarTles vityvi

_ maTi inteleqtis done aris nuls

qvemoT. aqtiurad viyavi CarTuli

2018 wlis saprezidento arCevneb-

Sic. maSinac miwevda „ocnebis” wevrebTan

Sexvedra da verc maSin davinaxe

maTSi inteleqti. inteleqtis

deficiti gansakuTrebiT regionebSia

TvlasaCino. „ocnebis”

warmomadgenlebi yovelTvis uars

amboben debatebSi monawileobaze.

garda imisa, rom maT salaparako

ar aqvT, inteleqtic ar hyofniT,

rom oponireba gauwion opoziciis

warmomadgenlebs. inteleqtis deficiti

marto mmarTvel partiaSi

ar aris. Tu davakvirdebiT, dRevandel

politikaSi inteleqti TiTqos

aRar aris saWiro. mTavaria,

raRac Tqva da mniSvneloba ar aqvs,

ras ityvi. iSviaTia xelisufleba-

Si adamiani, romelzedac SeiZleba

vTqvaT, rom profesionali da inteleqtualia.

profesionalebis

gareSe ki qveynis aSeneba da ganvi-

Tareba warmoudgenelia.

_ Tqvens partiazec gviTxariT.

2016 wels, rodesac partia „sax-

elmwifo xalxisTvis” Seiqmna, mas

Zalian maRali reitingi hqonda.

mesame Zaladac ki moiazreboda

paata burWulaZis partia. biZina

ivaniSvilma yvelaferi gaakeTa,

rom Tqveni partia ganadgurebu-

liyo. burWulaZis winaaRmdeg

prokuraturam gamoZiebac ki dai-

wyo. dRes ra xdeba TqvenTan?

_ Cemi meuRle da paata burWulaZe

didi xnis megobrebi arian.

roca paatam politikaSi mosvla

gadawyvita, mec SemomTavaza partiaSi

Sesvla. Tavidan uari vuTxari,

radgan Cemma ojaxma politikaSi

yofnis gamo bevri rame gadaitana.

amis miuxedavad, mainc mivedi partiaSi

da iq imdenad kargi gundi

damxvda, rom politikaSi CarTva

gadavwyvite. am partiis erT-erTi

damfuZnebeli var. Zalian bevri axalgazrda

iyo da mec gamiCnda survili,

rom maTTan erTad mebrZola

qveynis ukeTesi momavlisTvis.

diax, Cven viyaviT is mesame Zala,

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erovnuli Seuracxyofa iqneba~

romelsac ase eloda qarTuli sazogadoeba.

am partiaSi marTla

naTeli saxeebi iyvnen gawevrianebulebi,

romlebsac bevri politikosisgan

gansxvavebiT warsuli codvebi

ar amZimebda. Tavidan Cvens

Sexvedrebze uamravi adamiani modioda.

paata burWulaZis mimarT

Zalian maRali ndoba iyo. es ar moewona

arsebul xelisuflebas. Caeria

biZina ivaniSvili da Cven gar-

Semo eniT auwereli domxali moxarSa.

am yvelaferma Cem Tvalwin Caiara

da yvelaferi kargad maxsovs.

paatas mimarT saSineli ciliswamebebi

wamovida da bolos verc erTi

daamtkices. ivaniSvils SeeZlo,

CvenTvis Tavidanve SeeSala xeli,

magram Cveni arseboba erTi raRacisTvis

awyobda, amitomac cota

xani gvacales.

_ ras gulisxmobT, risTvis

mogcaT dro ivaniSvilma?

_ ivaniSvils ainteresebda, saqarTveloSi

ramdeni adamiani iyo

iseTi, visac arc „ocneba” undoda

da arc _ „nacionaluri moZraoba”.

biZina ivaniSvili politikaSi xom

aseTi deviziT movida _ Sua unda

gaikrifos. Zalian bevri gakrifa

kidevac da qveyana or polusad

gayo. amis miuxedavad, xalxSi mo-

Txovna ismoda mesame Zalaze. mesame

Zala SeiZleboda, Cven vyofiliyaviT.

Zalian maRali interesi iyo

Cveni partiis mimarT. uamravi adamiani

modioda CvenTan. biZina ivaniSvilma

dainaxa, rom saqarTvelo-

Si Zalian bevri iyo xalxi, romelsac

arc wina xelisufleba undoda

da arc _ moqmedi. es bunebrivia,

ar moewona da partiis ganadgureba

daiwyo. ZaliT da fuliT

Sexvedrebze aravin migviyvania, isini

Tavisi iniciativiT modiodnen.

am Sexvedrebze modiodnen susis

TanamSromlebic. Cvens mxardamWerebs

fotoebs uRebdnen da Semdeg

maTze zewola midioda. amis

damadasturebeli uamravi faqti

maqvs. Cvens mxardamWerebs susis

TanamSromlebi pirdapir saxlebSi

akiTxavdnen da emuqrebodnen, aiZulebdnen,

Cveni partia daetovebinaT,

magram bolomde Cveni dangreva

mainc ar gamouvidaT.

_ bolomde ar gamouvidaT, mag-

ram iseTi aRaraa es partia, rog-

orc Seqmnis pirvel TveebSi iyo.

_ es rom ase yofiliyo, „ocnebam”

didi Zala gamoiyena. dRes

„nacionaluri moZraobasaviT”

Zlieri partia ar varT, magram

raRacis gakeTeba Cvenc kargad

SegviZlia. dRes meamayeba, rom paata

birWulaZis gverdiT vdgavar.

am adamians aTasi sibinZure mougones

da marTla rame rom daeSavebina,

4 weli gavida da aqamde daumtkicebdnen.

_ sainteresoa, ratom gadaeki-

da ivaniSvili burWulaZes ase?

rogorc rc amboben, is burWulaZes

sTxovda, rom 2013 wels „ocnebis”

prezidentobis kandidati yo-

filiyo.

_ biZinas Zalianac undoda, rom

paata mis partiaSi yofiliyo da

misi davalebebi Seesrulebina, magram

paata amas ar dasTanxmda, gadawyvita

calke ebrZola da qveynisTvis

ukeTesi momavali Seeqmna. es

ivaniSvilis gegmebSi ar Sedioda,

amitomac dagvmarTes es yvelaferi.

uamravi vinme Semogvigzavnes,

partiis ZiriTadi birTvi sufTa

warsulis adamianebiT iyo dakompleqtebuli.

sisxlian 9 wels Cven

`Tavad opoziciac mixvda, rom erTad dgomas alternativa ar gaaCnia.

amitomac aiZules Tavi, erTad damdgariyvnen. albaT arc Tqven, arc me da arc

aravin warmoidgenda, rom aseTi gansxvavebuli xalxi erTmaneTis gverdiT

dadgeboda. amas sizmarSic ver vnaxavdi. CemTvis yvelaze mTavari isaa, rom

opoziciam kargad gaacnobiera, - erTpartiuli mmarTveloba warsuls Cabarda~

veravin wamogvaZaxebda. rac mTavaria,

partiaSi ganaTlebuli adamianebi

gvyavda. maT araCveulebrivi

programebi daweres. gansakuTrebiT

minda gamovyo nika maWutaZe. es

saocrad ganaTlebuli adamiania,

ubralod meamayeba, rom Cven erT

partiaSi varT. mis ganaTlebasa da

inteleqts sazRvari ar aqvs. xSirad

vekiTxebi mas rCevebs da rom

daiwyebs, aRar Cerdeba. aqedan wasvlas

arc vapireb. rodesac Cveni

partiis ganadgureba daiwyo, sxva

organizaciebidan araerTi SemoTavazeba

mqonda; aseve „qarTuli

ocnebidanac” mTavazobdnen, magram

ar wavedi. Zalian ar momwons, roca

adamianebi partiebs icvlian da

Tavad rogor unda gadamedga es

nabiji? aris raRac principebi,

Sexedulebebi, romelzedac uari

ar unda Tqva.

_ axla Tqveni partia opozici-

ur gaerTianebaSia. iq kargad

grZnobT Tavs?

_ es gaerTianeba saprezidento

arCevnebis win gakeTda da maSin

SevediT. dRemde iq vrCebiT da am

gaerTianebis Zalian principuli

wevrebi varT.

_ es principuloba raSi gam-

oixateba?

_ am gaerTianebaSi aris „nacionaluri

moZraoba”, amis miuxedavad,

Cven arasdros uarvyofT, rom

warsulSi Secdomebi iyo. aravis

vuvarcxniT kuds, rom es ase ar

iyo. mimaCnia, simarTle yvelgan da

yovelTvis unda iTqvas. amasTan,

aucileblad momavlisken unda

viyuroT da yvelaferi gavakeToT

qveynis ganviTarebisTvis.

`qarels mTeli gori kargad icnobs. is

odiozuri da gaunaTlebeli adamiania. misi

moRvaweobidan uamravi komikuri faqti

SeiZleba gavixsenoT. Tundac igive rusuli

enis codna-arcodna, rac yvelaze naklebi

danaSaulia, radganac am adamians bevri

binZuri saqme aqvs gakeTebuli. `qarTul

ocnebas~ uyvars 9 welze saubari, miSa qareli

ki am 9 wlis erT-erTi aSkara saxea. gorelebs

kargad axsovT, misi gubernatorobis dros

rogor arTmevdnen xalxs qonebas. rogor

aformebdnen notariusebSi am qonebas sxvebze.

misi saxeli araerT Zaladobas ukavSirdeba. is

ramdenime welia, rac saqarTveloSi dabrunda~

wina xelisuflebas yovelTvis

Sevaxseneb mis mier daSvebul Secdomebs,

magram es „qarTuli ocnebis”

namoqmedars ver dafaravs. im

politikas, rasac ivaniSvilis partia

atarebs, amas, ubralod, momavali

ar gaaCnia. arc maTi arCeuli

gza gaiyvans saqarTvelos samSvidobos.

xelisuflebaSi maTi

darCena Cveni qveynis ganviTarebas,

sul mcire, 30 wliT SeaCerebs.

_ xelisufleba rom ar mogwonT,

cxadia. opoziciis saqmianobaze

ras ityviT? Signidan ic-

nobT am samzareulos da, albaT,

yvelafers ufro kargad xedavT.

_ araerTxel miTqvams da kidev

gavimeoreb, rom opoziciaSi bevri

rame ar momwons. maT gacilebiT

meti aqtiuroba hmarTebT. meti

erTianobaa saWiro. TbilisSi es

ufro Sekruli Temaa, regionebSi

cota Wirs. mxolod erTad dgomiT

Tu davupirispirdebiT ivaniSvils,

aba fuliT mas ver vajobebT. Cveni

erToba erT rames emyareba _ saqarTvelos

da mis sazRvrebs odes-

Rac unda daadges saSveli. Zalian

bevri xarvezia opoziciis SigniT,

magram 20 ivnisis Ramem da mere mimdinare

aqciebma bevri rame Secvla.

es cvlilebebi Cven sasikeTod

moxda.

_ ra Seicvala im dRidan?

_ Tavad opoziciac mixvda, rom

erTad dgomas alternativa ar gaa-

Cnia. amitomac aiZules Tavi, erTad

damdgariyvnen. albaT arc Tqven,

arc me da arc aravin warmoidgenda,

rom aseTi gansxvavebuli xalxi

erTmaneTis gverdiT dadgeboda.

amas sizmarSic ver vnaxavdi. CemTvis

yvelaze mTavari isaa, rom opoziciam

kargad gaacnobiera, _ erTpartiuli

mmarTveloba warsuls

Cabarda. XXI saukuneSi erTpirovnuli

mmarTveloba ukve sircxvilad

da CamorCenilobad iTvleba.

momavali koaliciur mTavrobaSia.

_ kargia, rom opoziciaSi ase

fiqroben, magram moaxerxeben ko-

aliciuri mTavrobis Seqmnas?

_ sxva gza, ubralod, ar aris.

parlamenti unda iyos mravalpartiuli

da mTavroba _ koaliciuri.

regionebic amis mixedviT unda

dalagdes. romel partiasac eyoleba

wesieri da profesionali kadri,

yvelam imas unda davuWiroT

mxari. SeiZleba, es viRacas ar moewonos,

magram wyena unda davZlioT.

opoziciis SigniT yvelam unda

daafiqsiros Tavisi azri, magram

gansxvavebuli azris qona tragediad

ar unda CaiTvalos da es daqsaqsvis

mizezi ar unda gaxdes. Cven

Tu daviqsaqseT, amiT „qarTuli

ocnebis” wisqvilze davasxamT wyals.

Zalauflebis SenarCunebis

wyurviliT Sepyrobili „qarTuli

ocneba” isedac yvelaferze aris

wamsvleli, amitom Secdomis daSvebis

ufleba aRar gvaqvs.

_ erTad yofnas alternativa

ar aqvso ambobT, es erTianoba ga-

xdeba imis safuZveli, rom xelisuflebas

daTmobaze wasvla aiZu-

loT? dasavleTidan mxardaWera

gaqvT da es patara ambavi ar aris.

_ is, rom dasavleTidan amxela

mxardaWeraa, es ukve Zalian didi

gamarjvebaa. saqarTveloSi opozicias

arc erT etapze ar hqonia

amxela saerTaSoriso mxardaWera,

miuxedavad imisa, rom aq aqciebi

sxva drosac xSirad imarTeboda.

axla evropaSi miwevs yofna da,

ZiriTadad, sul ucxour sainformacioebs

vusmen. wamyvani telearxebi

xSirad aSuqeben saqarTveloSi

mimdinare procesebs. merwmuneT,

dasavleTis ukmayofileba „ocnebis”

mimarT imaze ufro mwvavea, vidre

amas qarTul sazogadoebas

awvdian. evropa da amerika ukve Riad

daupirispirda „qarTuli ocnebis”

araswor politikas.

Cems megobrebTan, romlebic aqtiuri

opozicionerebi arian, xSiri

kontaqti maqvs. isini miyvebian

mand mimdinare movlenebze. meubnebian,

rom Zalian maRalia saprotesto

muxti, amas aqedanac vgrZnob.

dasavluri mxardaWeriT opozicia

ufro Tavdajerebuli gaxdeba

da mtkiced moiTxovs Tavisi

pirobebis Sesrulebas. axla mTavaria,

sazogadoebac gaaqtiurdes.

erTad ufro male vaiZulebT xelisuflebas

daTmobaze wasvlas.

„qarTuli ocneba” unda vaiZuloT,

rom arCevnebi demokratiulad da

samarTlianad Caataros. erTi didi

gamarjveba Cven ukve movipoveT.

am procesebSi aqtiurad CaerTnen

axalgazrdebi. me ar maxsendeba,

rom Cveni axalgazrdoba ase

dainteresebuliyos politikiT.

esec 20 ivnisis Ramem moitana.

me oTxi Svili myavs da isini politikiT

arasdros interesdebodnen.

raRac aqciebi rom iyo da amaze

vsaubrobdi xolme saxlSi, sul

meubnebodnen, _ kargi, ra, deda, ra

dros politikaa. 20 ivnisis Semdeg

maT damokidebuleba Seicvales. aseve

moxda sxva axalgazrdebis SemTxvevaSic.

TiTqos yvelam erTad

gamoiRviZa da Seuracxyofilad

igrZno Tavi. axalgazrdoba Zalian

didi Zalaa. arc erTi dRe ar Camigdia,

yoveldRe aqciebze davdiodi

da vxedavdi axalgazrdebs. isini

Zalian aqtiurebi iyvenen. es ma-

Zlevs imis imeds, rom aucileblad

Seicvleba Cveni qveynis momavali

ukeTesobisken.

_ 20 ivnisis Rame gavrilovis

parlamentSi Seyvanas moyva, axla

lavrovis Camoyvanas apireben da

es, albaT, kidev ufro gaamwarebs

sazogadoebas. Tqven ras ityviT

amasTan dakavSirebiT?

_ lavrovis Camoyvana Zalian

mZimed damTavrdeba. es iseTi ambavi

iqneba, rom SeiZleba, saqme

arCevnebamdec ki aRar mivides. lavrovis

aq Camosvla aris erovnuli

Seuracxyofa. xalxma am xelisuflebas

uamravi politikuri Secdoma

apatia, magram erovnul Seuracxyofas

aravin apatiebs.

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dekanoz nikita TalakvaZis

gagrZeleba, dasawyisi ix.

gagrZeleba, dasawyisi ix.

„qronika+” ##35-41 (2019w.); #2

(2020w.)

„qronika+~ agrZelebs dekanoz

nikita TalakvaZis dRiuris gamoqveynebas.

SegaxsenebT, rom „literaturuli

muzeumis” mier wlebis

winaT gamocemuli wigni, „mo-

qalaqe mRdvlis dRiurebi”, rigi

garemoebebis gamo, faqtobrivad,

farTo mkiTxvelisTvis xelmiu-

wvdomelia. masalaSi, romelsac

qvemoT warmogidgenT, ZiriTadad,

saubaria saeklesio intrigeb-

sa da kuluarebze. nikita Talakv

kvaZis SefasebebiT es kuluarebi

da faqtebi dRevandeli gada-

saxedidanac ki sakmaod mZime ga-

saazrebelia da uamrav „nacnob”

Tu ucnob movlenas, cnobil Tu

sazogadoebisTvis ucnob person-

as saerTod sxva kuTxiT warmoa-

Cens.

SegaxsenebT, rom nikita TalakvaZe

daibada medaviTnis ojaxSi.

1889-1895 wlebSi swavlobda

Tbilisis sasuliero seminariaSi,

1895-1899 wlebSi ki _ kievis sasuliero

akademiaSi; 1899-1902ww. _

muSaobda quTaisis sasuliero

saswavlebelSi maswavleblad; 1902

wlis dekembris pirvel ricxvebSi

jer diakvnad akurTxes, Semdeg ki

mRvdlad daasxes xeli da foTis

wminda aleqsandre nevelis saxelobis

sakaTedro taZris winam-

ZRvrad dainiSna; mama nikitam, mitrofane

laRiZis, sosiko merkvilaZisa

da sxvaTa daxmarebiT,

aRadgina wminda Tamar mefis xsovnis

dRe da Tamarobis dResaswauli.

nikita TalakvaZe iyo episkopos

kirion II-is (saZagliSvili) Tanamoazre.

aqtiurad monawileobda

avtokefaliur moZraobaSi. 1912

wels igi anCisxatis yovladwminda

RvTismSoblis Sobis saxelobis

eklesiis winamZRvrad ganamweses.

1917 wels mieniWa dekanozis wodeba.

1917 wlis 8 marts mama nikitas

binaze Sedga saidumlo kreba,

romelsac eswrebodnen noe Jordania,

aleqsandre lomTaTiZe,

sosiko merkvilaZe da episkoposi

antoni (giorgaZe). krebaze gadawyda,

rom 12 marts sveticxovelSi

gadaexadaT samSvidobo paraklisi,

xolo Semdeg waekiTxaT avtokefaliis

aRdgenis aqti.

1917-1920 wlebSi dekanozi nikita

iyo sakaTolikoso sabWos

wevri. igi gaxldaT sruliad

saqarTvelos kaTolikos-patriarqis

arCevnebis dros xmis damTvleli

komisiis Tavmjdomare da

pirvelma gamoacxada axlad aRdgenili

qarTuli eklesiis meTaurad

kaTolikos-patriarqi kirion

II (saZagliSvili). 1918-1921 wleb-

Si dekanozi nikita gamoirCeoda

aqtiuri moRvaweobiT, rac gaagr-

Zela qveynis gasabWoebis Semdegac.

sabWoTa xelisufleba aviwroebda

uSiSrad mamxilebel moZRvars.

1922 wlis 17 oqtombers qal-

Ta saswavleblis direqtorma igi

maswavleblobidan daiTxova; 1924

32

wels dekanozi nikita aiZules,

daetovebina eklesia. igi jer saqarTvelos

finsaxkomis sabiujeto

ganyofilebis ufrosad muSaobda,

Semdeg _ kulturis saministroSi.

dekanozi nikita iyo Tavisi

drois SesaniSnavi mqadagebeli.

Cvenamde moaRwia misma araerTma

qadagebam. igi avtoria Canawerebisa,

romelic cnobilia, rogorc

„moqalaqe-mRvdlis dRiuri”.

(gagrZeleba)

8 noemberi (ax. st.) samSabaTi

dilis aT saaTze gimnaziaSi

mivdivar meore gakveTilze; gza-

Si Semomegeben dek. m. tyemalaZe da

yofili dek. k. kekeliZe, _ eriskacad

gamowyobili, trostiT xel-

Si, nar-nariT _ TavisqneviT

modioda, kaTolikozis sasaxleSi

mibrZandeboden sakaT. sabWos sxdomaze;

tyemalaZem salami momca,

_ kekeliZes arc ki gamouxednia

Cemsken; exla sakaT. sabWos sxdomebi

kaTolikozis sasaxleSi

gadautaniaT, es Cemi moxsenebis

Sedegia, romelic „kantroliorobis”

CamorTmevis Sesaxeb mivarTvi

kaTolikozs ama wlis 26 oqtombris

TariRiT #76; am moxsenebis

gamo mxolod is gavige, rom sakaT.

sabWoSi momxdara miTqma-moTqma _

Tu „vis gaaqvs aq laparaki gare-

To”, _ gadauwyvetiaT, rom ufro

dafaruli hyon TavianTi sja-baasi,

kaTolikozis sasaxleSi gadaitanon

sxdomebi; TviT kaTolikozma

brZana: „Worebi gaaqvTo,

sami karebi iyo iq da yurs gvigdebeno”!

exla „Worebad” surT

monaTlon samRvdeloebis mier

daarsebul Tanamdebobis gauqmebis

sababi, „moxerxebiT da padlogobiT”

aris daarsebuli es Tanamdebobao;

kaTolikozs mxolod

is vaTqmevine, rom am Taobaze

„oficialurad” ara Tqmula sakaT.

sabWoSio”! es imas niSnavs, rom

dek. iason kapanaZe, romelsac es

aTqmevina macdurma lazriSvilma

(es kapanaZe metad atacebuli pirovnebaa,

amas wineT didi mixlamoxla

gamoiwvia magis Tavxedurma

da uzdelma sityva-pasuxma tfilisis

samRvdeloebis saolqo krebaze,

surdaT magisi sul garicxva

Cveni wridan; krebidan gaaZeves;)

warmodga zedi-zed sakaT. sabWos

wevrebi dek. cincaZe da tyemalaZe

(es iyo gelaTis krebamde) da ganacxades,

rom „es kaci raRac

avaTmyofuri seniT aris Sepyrobili,

Tavs ver iWers; bevri usiamovneba

da mwuxareba gvWirs magisgniT

sakaT. sabWoSio” da Txoulobden

kreba lmobierad mopyroboda

magis usaqcielobas; sam-

Rvdeloeba ki dabejiTebiT Txoulobda

kapanaZis gaZevebas Cveni

wridan; maSin me Sevitane aseTi

azri: „dRes vakmaoT krebidan

daTxova da Semdeg kidev vnaxoT-

Tqo”, _ davipatiJe es kaci; seminariis

reqtorma nikolozma, rodesac

is gadaiyvanes amerikaSi aleutis

da aliaskanis episkoposad,

waiyvana tfilisis seminariidan,

rogorc zedmiwevniT lamazi (qaluri

silamaze hqonda) ymawvili;

iq mRvdlad akurTxes, coli Ser-

Tes amerikeli rusi, ori mozrdili

SviliT gadmovida saqarTveloSi

jer Zvel reJimis dros, pensias

iRebda amerikaSi 15 wlis samsaxurisaTvis;

imereTSi ar Seiwynares

es kapanaZe, xan samxedro

mRvdlad iyo Cvens jarebSi, Semdeg

uadgilod daexeteboda; rodesac

dek. an. ToTibaZe gadavida

samxedro taZarSi da misi „kandelakoba”

Tavisufali iyo, 1918

welSi, es adgili dek. al. simoniSvils

misces, amis sikvdilis Semdeg

ki leonidma moiTxova magisi

sionSi ganweseba, rogorc inglisuri

enis mcodnisa, maSin 1919-Si

ingliselebis jari idga tfilis-

Si _ „indusebi” Sav-kanianebi; mec

mxari dauWire kapanaZis sionSi

gadmoyvanas; kargi mwignobaria

qarTulad mgalobeli da eklesia-

Si mosaxmari, magram metad myvirala,

aCqarebuli, aranormaluri

pirovneba, am TvisebiT aqarwylebs

yovelive Tviss Rirsebas); es kapanaZe

sisxls uSrobda dek. cincaZes

da lazriSvils leonidis

dros sakaT. sabWoSi, sadac kapanaZe

leonidis imereTSi gaqcevis

Semdeg (bolSevikebis Semosevis

dros) Sevida sakaT. sabWos

wevrad, rogorc 1920 wlis saeklesio

krebis mier am Tanamdebobis

kandidatad amorCeuli; leonidis

dabrunebis Semdeg sruluflebian

wevrebad aRiares tyemalaZe-kapanaZe-mirianaSvili

sab-

WoSi, _ daviT episkopozma wevrobaze

uari ganacxada da quTaisSi

dajda „pensionerad”; _ gavidnen

sabWodan eriskacni sp. kedia, gr.

veSapeli, afaqiZe, _ darCa burTi

da moedani Sinaurebs; cincaZes da

leonids Sua metad gamwvavda bolo

dros damokidebuleba, gansakuTrebiT

mas Semdeg, rac leonidsa

da noe Jordanias mouvidaT

erTmaneTTan gelaTis ganZeulobis

Sesaxeb Setakeba, leonidma

werili moswera n. Jordanias, es

werili gazeT „saqarTveloSi”

dabeWdes da atyda erTi gangaSi:

Jordanias ojaxis „protopresviterma”

dek. cincaZem da samxedro

taZris „protopresviterma”

ToTibaZem ver apaties leonids

aseTi „Tavxedoba” _ rogor gahbeda

leonidma maTdami SeukiTxavad

n. Jordaniasadmi aseTi werilis

miwerao! dek. ToTibaZe socdemokratebis

organo „erTobaSi”

sazizRar provokaciul werilebs

aTavsebda psevdonimebiT leonidis

sawinaaRmdegod, sul dasces

eklesiis prestiJi sazogadoebis

TvalSi. ToTibaZe sakaT. sabWos

gareSe ebrZoda, xolo cincaZe

sakaT. sabWoSi da amzadebden

niadags ambrosis kaTolikozobisaTvis.

leonidma yovelive es

icoda da sakaT. sabWoSi cincaZis

sawinaaRmdegod wamoayena Tvisi

kandelaki dek. i. kapanaZe; amas aqezebda

da usisinebda kaTedris

dek. m. tyemalaZe, romelic mosisxle

mteria cincaZe-ToTibaZesi;

kapanaZe xSirad exeTqeboda xolme

dek. lazriSvilsac, sakaT. sabWos

sameurneo gamgeobis „direqtors”,

cincaZis meore mRvdels

qvaSveTis taZarSi; cincaZe-lazriSvils

Zlier surT Tavidan moi-

Soron es kapanaZe, magram jer-jerobiT

sxva vera daakles imis meti,

rom gelaTis saeklesio krebaze

sakaT. sabWos wevrad ar

aarCevies, mxolod wevrobis kandidatad

aris darCenili da sakaT.

sabWos kanceliariis mdivnad; ai,

am Tanamdebobazedac es kapanaZe

mainc ar iSlis sabWos sja-baasSi

Carevas, isev metiCrobs da sworeT

am metiCrobiT isargebla lazriSvilma

da Cems winaaRmdeg aalaparaka

sabWoSi, xolo kapanaZis nalaparakevi

TviTon lazriSvilma momitana

22 oqtombers sabWos darbazSi

cnobil provokator dek. i.

SublaZis TanadaswrebiT: „ase da

ase sTqva Sen kontrolobaze kapanaZem,

me metad davtuqseo da Tu

Zma xar arsad da aravis ar uTxra

es ambavio”! aseve Semexvewa Cur-

CuliT TviT SublaZec! wminda

wylis provokatorebi!!! namdvilad

ki magaT ori kurdReli

mohkles: iasonis xeliT da piriT

es abezari „kontroli” Tavidan

momiSores da Tan iasons viTomcda

dauZinebeli mteri gauCines

Cemis saxiT; iasonsac ubedurs

albad Cemdami „wixlis CazeliT”

surda esiamovnebia gaZlierebul

cincaZe-ToTibaZisTvis da TviT

kaTolikozisaTvisac miT, rom

„isic ki Cems winaaRmdeg midis”! me

ki srulebiT xma ar gamicia kapana-

ZisaTvis, arc ki Sevxebivar vinmes,

ise oficialuri moxsenebiT gaveci

pasuxi da aRvniSne Cveni eklesiis

meurneobis da finansiur

sistemis sruli ukantroloba,

xolo samRvdeloebis mier ar-

Ceul kontrolis ase moufiqreblad

gauqmeba, davicavi samRvdeloebis

ufleba sanTlis qarxanaze

da misi saarCvno ufleba am

qarxnis marTva-gamgeobis saqmeSi.

magram amaze imiT mipasuxes, rom

sxdomebi kaTolikozis sasaxleSi

gadaitanes!!...

dek. i. kapanaZem daagdo xma,

rom amerikaSi vbrundebi col-

SviliTo, fuli momivida da mepatiJebian

Cems samrevloSio! es

namdvili Sorapnuli oinebia, surs

Seixvewios vinmeebi _ ar waxvide,

ar dagvRupovo! da marTlac

sions ra eSveleba umagisod _ es

hkiTxulobs kidec, galobs kidec

da moZraobs kidec iq, magram aseT

da amgvar „moZRvrebas” an galobas,

an wirvas _ an locvas, an mwignobrobas,

rogorc Cvena varT,

gana Seismens RmerTi?! gana es

uaRresi farisevloba ar aris?!

gana macxovris dros farisevlebi

Cven ar davCrdileT Cveni saarako

yofa-qceviT da gaunelebeli

erTmaneTdami SuriT, mtrobiT,

borotebiT da intrigebiT?! aki

isedac gvimarTavs xels RmerTi!..

imav 8 noembers, gakveTilebis

Semdeg, imav gziT rom saxlSi

vbrundebodi, kaTolikozis alayafis

karebze gamovidnen dek.

cincaZe da r. ivanicki; me Soridan

salami miveci da Cemi gziT mivdiodi;

cincaZem damiZaxa: „mamao

nikita, aq modio”! mec ra Rone

mqonda, mivedi; orTavem es mkiTxes:

„guSin bolSevikebma ra amnistia

gamoacxadeso”? me upasuxe,

maTi amnistia exeba qurd-bacacebs

da denikin-kolCak-vrangelis

TeTrgvardielebs, amaT epatiaT

danaSauli, politikuri amnistia

ar yofila-Tqo... am dros kaTolikozis

ezoSi, baRSi, sami cxvari

da erTi Txa darboden; me mivaqcie

amas maTi yuradReba: „SexedeT, ra

msuqani cxvrebia, visia netavi eseni

Tqo”! es kompozitor arayiSvilis

ariso (ori cxvari daviTaSvilisac

aris _ es dafares), „unda

uTxraT kaTolikozs aukrZalos

Tvis ezoSi cxvrisa da Txis balaxoba,

arayiSvili isedac gvamcirebs

Cven yvelas, cudad gvixseniebso”,

_ brZana r. ivanickim, romelic

ukve dabinavda sinodalur kantoris

yofil prokuroris, Semdeg

leonidis (tfilelobis

dros) da Semdeg kekeliZis binaze.

amaze me upasuxe: „es ra kaTolikozis

saqmea, cxvrebi da Txebi

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ise unda moaSoroT kaTolikozs,

rom man verc ki unda gaigos ase-

Ti wvrili da umniSvnelo saqmeebi-Tqo”!

ivanicki gawiTlda, piri

miibruna, cincaZisa Sercxva, rom

ase CaiWra...

am dros kaTolikozis sasaxlidan

gamoitana keleinikma naxevari

diuJini mSvenieri Savi venis

skamebi, _ „sad migaqvs, Zmobilo,

es skamebi-Tqo”, vkiTxe me: _

„rafielTan mimaqvs miss binis mosawyobaTo”,

_ mipasuxa man; am

dros rafielic miubrunda, surda

TviTon aetana Tviss binaze es

Zvirfasi skamebi; me miubrundi

keleiniks da uTxari, _ „barem

Senve autane binaze, sakaT. sabWos

wevrs nu akadreb skamebis zidvas-

Tqo”, biWma staca skamebs xeli,

magram ivanickic ukanve daedevna,

dek. cincaZem skamebs Tvali gaayola

da mkiTxa: „ra eRireba exla

TviToeuli am skamisao”! me upasuxe:

„ar gaxsovs, rom aseTi skamebi

xuT-xuT maneTad mihyideT am

erTi wlis wineT kekeliZes da

sxvebsac-Tqo”?! _ „me ra RmerTi

gamiwyra, _ brZana cincaZem, _ rom

erTi nivTi raa ar SeviZine imden

ganiavebul avejeuloba-nivTebisagano,

Sen cota mainc ki irgeo”,

_ miTxra me; amaze upasuxe: „me

eqvsi danjRreuli xis skami waviRe

sajinibodan, sadac gatenili

iyo mTeli ori veeberTela oTaxi

avejeulobiT, romelic me gadmovzide

vakedan, exla ki arc erTi

nivTi aRar aris, sul dautacniaT

Cems Semdeg, ra uyaviT-Tqo? me

rac waviRe, ar miyidnia, nabarebad

maqvs, sindisma neba ar momca 3-5

maneTi momeca im skamebSi, Cems

Semdeg ra uyaviT sakaT. sabWom

eqsarxosebisagan datovebuli sami

kareta da ramodenime faitoni-

Tqo”? cincaZem mipasuxa: „me maxsovs,

leonids sakaT. sabWom neba

darTo erT Zvel faitonis gayidvisa,

amaT ki sul yvelaferi dauyidniaTo”!

Tqven sadRa brZandebodiT,

ras akeTebdiT, ratom

yurs ar ugdebdiT kaTolikozis

sasaxlis „mmarTvelobas” an visgan

Sesdgeboda es „mmarTveloba”-

”-

Tqo?! iqneb, Tqven gegonaT, rom

kaTolikoz kirions undoda am

mxriv yuris gdeba, xolo leonids

ara?! kaTolikozi kirioni jvars

acviT, „ax. sityvaSi” gamosWimeT”

samiode boTli Rvino eyida avaTmyof

kacs, Semosaval-gasavlis

wignSi aenusxa es, xolo kirionis

Semdeg arc erTi statia ar aris

am wignSi Setanili arc Semosavlisa

da arc gasavlisa, rac „aqti”

Semdgara kirionis gardacvalebis

Semdeg dek. d. lazriSvilis xeliT,

imave aqts movawereT me da

dimitrim xeli leonidis gardacvalebis

Semdeg, Sen es ici Tu

ara-Tqo? vkiTxe cincaZes! _ arao,

_ mipasuxa man! es sakvirvelia-

Tqo, uTxari me... aseve daiflangeba

is servizebi da is nivTebi,

romelic exla axal kaTolikozs

miarTva „mcxeTis sazeimo komite-

tma”-

”-Tqo. _ „ase icis uproSCeni

xoziastvos warmoebamo”, _ gaicina

dek. cincaZem...

Semdeg cincaZem mkiTxa: „xval

(oTxSabaTs) 12 saaTisaTvis dro

geqneba Tu arao, somxis kaTolikozs

darbazoba unda gadauxados

Cvenma kaTolikozmao”! me

upasuxe: „eqvsi gakveTili maqvs,

ver movicli; arc kaTolikozs

ubrZanebia ra am Taobaze CemTvis

an ki ra saWiro da wasayvani kaci

var me, waiyvaneT grZel wveriani

_ warmosadegi dekanozebi: maWaraSvili,

g. asaTiani, maTe monaseliZe,

Sen, tyemalaZe da aseTebi-Tqo”;

me viyavi erTxel gagzavnili,

erTi da igive piris mudam

gagzavna ar ivargebso... da dav-

SordiT erTmaneTs.

9 noemberi

gakveTilebis Semdeg Semxvda

kaTolikozis sasaxlesTan dek. n.

maWaraSvili, gadmomca, rom dRes

kreba mqonda (mTavar-xucesoba

CaubarebiaT misTvis ukve, „arCevnebi”

ki dReis swors iqneba, rasakvirvelia

formaluri, isev is

darCeba, es ukve winaswar „gangulvebulia”

sferebSi), magram 12 saa-

Tze Tavmjdomareoba dek. xaxutaSvils

gadaveci da Cven wavedi-

To”, _ sada Tqo? _ vkiTxe, „somxis

kaTolikozTano”, _ mipasuxa...

krebaze niko TavdgiriZem proeqti

waikiTxa erovnul kooperativis

daarsebis Sesaxeb, magram dek.

lazriSvilma sul gaubaTilao,

tyemalaZemac upasuxa, sakaT. sab-

Wo mRvdlebs valdebul ver hyofs,

monawileoba miiRon mag saqmeSio...

cota wevrni daswrebian

dRes krebas, Semdegi kreba dReisswor

oTxSabaTs ariso”... Semdeg

wamovediT erTad, gamoviareT patara

wminda giorgis win, karebi

daketili iyo, maWaraSvilma SemomCivla

_ „storoji” aRar Cerdeba

aq, karebi daketilia, _ es

eklesia unda Cavabaro sionelebso”.

amaze upasuxe: „mamao dekanozo!

ufro kanonieri ar iqneboda,

rom es eklesia da misi mrevli an-

`moqalaqe-mRvdlis dRiuri~

Cisxatze mogeweraT Tqo?! sionelebs

milionebs uniSnavT jamagiraT,

mrevlsac umatebT, am Cemma

anCisxatma riT unda iarsebos,

ratom sxvebzedac ar hfiqroben

Tqo! CvenSi yovelTvis pirad interesebis

an simpatia-antipatiis

TvaliT ucqerian, arasodes sazogado

da samarTlian TvalsazrisiT

ar xelmZRvaneloben

Tqo, _ sircxvilia sxva ara iyos

aseTi moqmedeba Tqo”...

amaze mipasuxa: „tyemalaZe wevria

da albad Sinaurulad moaxerxes

es yvelaferio”, „miT ufro

cudi TqvenTvis Tqo”! movaxsene

da davSordiT erTmaneTs!

cxadia, didi gaSmagebuli muSaobaa

Cems winaaRmdeg kaTolikozis

garSemo, kviras 6 noembers Tanamwirvelad

viyavi mipatiJebuli wm.

ninos sasaflaoze, sadac kaTolikozic

miiwvies, magram ar wavedi.

Zalian gamZRaran-gamobruebulan

tyemalaZe-cincaZe-kapanaZe

da sxvani...

dek. k. cincaZesTan gamobaaseba!

SevxvdiT erTmaneTs 10 giorgobisTves

isev kaTolikozis

alayafis karebTan; cincaZe metad

iWvis da gamomcdeli TvaliT micqeris;

scdilobs sadac ki momixelTebs

xelSi Camigdos, laparak-

Si CamiTrios da damtyuvos ramerumeebi,

Semdeg sakliaozniko

masalad gamoiyenos; vici yovelive

es, magram Segnebulad ar

veridebi, pirdapir vetyvi xolme,

rac saTqmelia; gamogviara win ka-

Tolikozis keleinikma _ es eris

kacia, wineT daviT episkoposTan

iyo biWad, Semdeg samebis mRvdels

eroTe aivazovs SerCa xelSi; exla

ki es wynari, patiosani samTaviseli

biWi waarTves aivazovs da

kaTolikozs miuCines momvlelad,

miuxedavad imisa, rom kaTolikozis

sasaxle ojaxurad aris

mowyobili, qali da SvilisSvili

scxovroben masTan, midi-modian

qali Tu kaci iq da did drostarebaSi

arian; rodesac es biWi

davinaxe, cincaZes uTxari: „kaTolikozs

ki bedi ewia aseT erTgul

kacis miCemebiT, magram sabralo

aivazovi ki daiRupa, qvrivi kacia,

upatronod aris axla dagdebul

Tqo”; amaze cincaZem mipasuxa:

„aivazovi am Taobaze me memduris,

me mabralebs mag biWis gadmoyvanas

kaTolikozTano”, _ yvelafers

me mabralebeno... kaTolikozs

raRac usaxelo werilebi mosdis,

yvelas aCvenebs im werilebs da im

Taobaze eubneba, me ki aras meubneba,

albad Cemze sweren raRacebso.

es ar aris sakvirveli Tqo, _

upasuxe me, _ sweren da laparakoben

im pirebze, romelnic gars

axvevian, eTaTbirebian da xelmZRvaneloben

kaTolikozs an aseT

did pirebs Tqo, Tu amaze sweren,

albad Senze misweren da ara Cemze

da CemisTanebze, romelnic

„gariyul-gankicxulni” varT Tqo;

magram vinc Senze an ToTibaZeze

raimes miswers ambrosi kaTolikozs,

is „korespondenti” an

didi umecari, Seugnebeli piri

unda iyos an didi provokatori

Tqo! ambrosi kaTolikozi unda

CamogaSoron Tqven, romlebmac

mas pirSi suli CaudgiT, soxumis

eparqiidan gamogdebuli, uadgilod

moyiale mitropoliti ka-

Tolikozad dasviT, _ aseTi gamarjveba

moupoeT mas nazar mitropolitTan

brZolaSi, Tqven cnobil

„arCevnebis” masters Tavad

daviT niJaraZesac ki ajobeT...

amis Semdeg vin tutucia is,

romelic Tqvens dasmenas scdilobs

ambrosisTan, an rogor gabedavs

es ukanaskneli Tqveni gavlenisagan

gamosvlas; ecadeT

mainc keTili gavlena iqonioT,

eklesiur cxovrebaSi damSvideba

SeitanoT, momaval gansacdelisaTvis

moemzadoT, komunistebi

CvenTvisac moiclian, did damcirebas

da Seviwroebas mogvayeneben,

Tqven saamisod ar emzadebiT,

es ara gaqvT gaTvaliswinebuli

da xurdavdebiT wvrilman _

kliauznikur saqmeebSi Tqo. magaliTad,

dek. cicqiSvilis „droebiT

gamweseba” veris nikolozis

samrevloSi, rodesac es kaci goris

mazris samRvdelobas ase iyo

Tu ise episkoposad amoarCevieT,

exla am piris samrevloSi gagzavna

da Cemi uaris yofa, didi utaqtobaa

Tqo; Semdeg movagone cincaZes

Tu rogor erT-erT saolqo

sxdomaze tfilisSi man sayveduri

uTxra tfilisis samRvdeloebas,

rom „dekanozi cicqiSvili davkargeTo”,

„exla xo ipovneT, mamao,

is „dakarguli cicqiSvili” Tqo!

cicqiSvils RmerTma xeli moumarTos,

is albad arsad ar daikargeba,

magram Tu „dakargvaze”

iTqmis raime, ai, Cven vin davkargeT

da gavaubedureT kidec, es

dekanozi mixeil fxalaZea Tqo!

gansvenebul leonids man sionis

kandelakoba sTxova, rodesac

ToTibaZe sionidan samxedro taZarSi

gadavida; leonidma uari

uyo, dek. al. simonovs unda mivsceo

(aw gardacvalebuli simonovi

gimnaziis mesame klasidan iyo, tf.

seminariis mexuTe-meeqvse klasis

gakveTilebs ismenda me rom iq

vswavlobdi maSin), _ maS, simonovis

adgili miboZe sionSio (mesame

mRvdloba) _ sTxova isev fxalaZem,

_ is adgili mama isakis

(CukuraSvils _ seminarielia axalgazrda,

sionSi diakonis Statze

iyo mRvdlad) unda mivsceo,

maS isakis adgili miboZeT, sul

uadgilod var, sxva ara iyos ra

wirva-locvaSi msurs monawileoba

mqondes, es anaforiani kaci goris

sasuliero saswavleblis daxurvis

Semdeg (aq fxalaZe „smatritlad”

iyo, ruseTidan gadmovida,

yazanis akademia aqvs dasrulebuli,

Cinebuli mcodnea sagnebisa,

sworeT im dros swavlobda yazan-

Si, rodesac iq swavlobda naqvrivali

mRvdeli ambrosi xelaia _

dRevandeli kaTolikozi da misi

„uCenaia muxa” _ daviT episkopozi!

ra Sedarebaa ambrosisa da davi-

Tis „uCenoba” am niWier fxalaZesTan)

quCaSi var dagdebuli da

ifiqreT raime Cemzedac, Tqveno

uwmindesobao, _ daasrula fxalaZem,

magram leonidma xma ar

gasca da dRes es fxalaZe, daqvrivebuli,

oTxi Svilis mama, eriskacis

tanisamosSi dadis, rom

dRiuri lukma puri moupovos

Tvis oblebs. leonidi da misi kamarilia

ukmayofilo iyo am fxalaZis,

amis Zma mR. simon fxalaZe,

didubis eklesiidan gamoagdo

leonidma dek. mirianaSvilis

CagonebiT; sim. fxalaZe ki ar mor-

Cildeboda didubidan gagdebas,

meore saeklesio krebaze gaasa-

Civra saqme, magram krebis Sesyidulma

brbom arc ki mousmina ubedur

mRvdels saCivari, ise daagdo;

es fxalaZe gardaicvala leonidis

gardacvalebis sami dRis

win, sikvdilis Jams sim. fxalaZem

Semdegi sityvebi wamoiZaxa: „leonidi

ar gadarCeba, me da is am

dReebSi erTad warvsdgebiT Rv-

Tis winaSe, mis samsjavros wina-

Seo” da mokvda kidevac!.. ai, am

Zmis gamo sdevniden mixeil fxalaZesac,

es kirionis pativis mcemelTaganic

iyo, arc es apaties da

am zomamde miiyvanes es kaci. am

Taobaze uTxar cincaZes _ „cicqi-

Svili Tu vipovneT, fxalaZe ratom

davkargeT, ratom imazedac

ar ifiqrebT, ratom imas ar mieciT

mrevli, _ cicqiSvili saepiskoposod

Semzadebuliyo, ra

sakadrisia exla magis mrevlSi Cxirkedeloba

Tqo. magram vai imaT,

visac Tqven ar swyalobT, Tqven

iseTi kaci gindaT, romelic Tqveni

tikinaa, Tqveni saTamaSo iaraRia,

sadac gsurT iq CasCriT da

CaakvexebT Tqo! cicqiSvils albad

ar aqvs Segnebuli es Tvisi samarcxvino

roli, magram Tu erTxel

migixvdaT oinebs, isic gaiqnevs

Tvis grZel xel-fexs da maSin

damagrdiT mamao Tqo”!.. „Sen sul

ase icio”, _ mipasuxa cincaZem da

davSordiT erTmaneTs...

gagrZeleba 34-e gv.

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34

dekanoz nikita TalakvaZis

„kavkasiis respublikaTa

33-e gverdidan

mcxeTobidan erTi epizodi

berma mixeilma, romelic exla

saguramos samrevloSi mRvdlobs,

xolo wineT ambrosi arqimandrits

(exla kaTolikozs) axlda

ruseTSi, iyo misi Sinauri

_ mesaidumle piri, am berma gadmogvca

erTi saidumlo mxare im

incidentisa, romelic moxda mcxeTaSi

episkopos pirosisaTvis

mantiis wamouReblobis gamo

tfilisidan. Cven yvelas gvikvirda

aseT ubralo mizezisa gamo

rogor ganawyenda pirosi imzom,

rom aRaravis gvekareboda, xolo

meore dRes, wirvis Semdeg,

Caic ki ar miurTmevia ise, sadgurze

wavida, mTeli dRe iq dahyo

usmel-uWmeli da saRamos aT

saaTze ki erTi da imave matarebliT

vimgzavreT tfilisSi; am

bers winamZRvrianT-karis mRvdlis

ivane lukaSvilisaTvis (Cemi

simamris Zmaa) gadaucia saidumloT,

xolo misi ojaxidan gavige

mec, mcxeTaSi ki vera gavige

ra Tavbedisa! ai saqme raSi yofila:

rodesac ep. pirosi usayvedurebda

sionis kandelak dek. i.

kapanaZes da ipodiakons siko monaseliZes

_ ratom mogdiT ase-

Ti daudevroba _ mantiac ki ar

wamogiRiaT, ras emgvaneba, rom

yvela mRvdelmTavrebs mantia

eqneba mosxmuli, me ki umantioT

viqnebi maT gverdiTo?! aqve yofila

maSin daviTaSvilic, romelsac

miumarTavs metad damcinavis

da damcirebis kiloTi

pirosisaTvis: „Cemi nabadi rom

Tan mqondes imas mogaxuravdi

zurgze mantiis magivrado”. amaze

gawiwmatebula pirosi, iqve

mdgara kaTolikozic, nazaric

da bevri sxvanic; piros miuyvia

piri da metad gaulanZRavs daviTaSvili

_ ayvedra mas „ganusazRvreli

Tavxedoba, kaTolikozebis

da episkoposebis ase abu-

Cad agdeba, biZaCemic (leonidi)

Sen gamosWylite fexqveS, Sen

ahxade mas yovelive Rirseba da

prestiJio! exlac aRar iSli da

hbedav mRvdelmTavris ase gamasxaravebaso”!

_ amaze gaSmagebula

daviTaSvilic, amasac miuyvia

piri da ise daulanZRavs yvelani,

rom sircxviliT aRar vicodiT,

sad gavparuliyaviTo:

„Sen ra episkoposi xar, an ra adamiani

xar, aba kacma Segxedos

rasa hgevxar (aris metad msxvili

da tan-dabali, es iyo, romelmac

kaTolikozis arCevnebis

dros _ kirion-leonidisa, „ka-

Tolikozoba woniT iyoso, vinc

meti movides wonaSi, is iyos ka-

Tolikozio”), ra gagixda es mantia,

lamis aris tvini amogvarTvaT,

Tqven mantiebSi ggoniaT raime

hyria an es ra sakaTolikozo

iyo (miuSvira xeli ambrosis,

pirSive miaxala), magram am ukacobis

dros ra gaewyoba, ukeTesi

ar aris da vai Cvens eklesias

Tqvens xelSio”!.. kaTolikozs

kinaRam guli SehRoneboda, sxvebma

Seqmnes facxa-fucxi, Cur-

Culi, erTmaneTs pirze xels

afarebden, „aravin gaigonos, aravin

gaigos es ambavi, Torem Tavi

mogveWrebao”! kaTolikozma xma

veRar amoiRo, Cahylapa es piliuli

Tvis kanceliariis mdivnisa,

pirosma ki veRar gauZlo sircxvils

da is iyo gagveqca sadgurze,

Cven ki ara vicodiT ra

ise, 2 Rvinobis Tves (Zv. st.), arqim.

ioanne marRiSvilis kurTxevis

dRes, daviTaSvilis TanameinaxobiT

zeimiT visadileT mcxeTis

sakaTolikozo saxlSi; vilxendiT

daviTaSvilTan erTad

da reCebs gahqonda raxa-ruxi...

qalaqSi ro davbrundiT,

gavrcelda xma, rom daviTaSvilma

qaRaldi Seitana _ samsaxuridan

gadadgomisao! iyo am Taobaze

didi miTqma-moTqma, netavi

ras inebebs kaTolikozio! maSinve

mivxvdi, rom es iyo ostaturi

nabiji daviTaSvilisagan _

„aba Tu kargi kacebi xarT dami-

TxoveTo” da marTlac kamariliam

ver gahbeda daviTaSvilis

CamoSoreba, Tumca yvelas eSinia

misi da yvelani moxaruli iqneboda,

rom is an sikvdiliT an

sicocxliT CamoSordebodeT,

ufro Tavisuflad iparpaSebden,

daviTaSvilis eSiniaT, yovel

saqmes jer daviTaSvilma

unda mohxados naRebi da Semdeg

miugdebs am saqmes kaTolikozs

an sakaT. sabWos. bevri saidumloeba

aqvs „kamariliisa” da

TviT ambrosisac (rodesac es

sinodalur kantoris wevri iyo

im droisa, ase amboben sinodis

revizorma ambrosi arqimandriti

avtokefaliis gamo an nikonis

moklis gamo rodi gadaayena

samsaxuridan da ruseTSi gaZeveba

miusaja wirva-locvaSi dayenebiT,

aramed raRac saqmeebSi,

rogorc wevrs kantorisas, upovna

didi siyalbe, uswor-masworoba

da meqrTameobaco! ai,

aseTi xma iyo gavrcelebuli ambrosize,

amas ki Tavi „mowameT”

da „moRvaweT” miaCnia! arc avtokefaliis

brZolaSi miuRia

magas monawileoba da arc nikonis

moklis saqmisa ekiTxeboda

ra, es aris erTi egoisti _ Tavmoyvare

kaci, naklebi niWisa da

susti nebisyofisa, yovelive es

Cinebulad esmis daviTaSvils,

dahkra kidec Tvisi „terroris”

laxvari mcxeTaSi, aqac „ostavka”

miarTva, magram „sTxoves ukanve

waiReT qaRaldi, Cven uSenoT

ar vargivarTo da darCa daviTaSvilic,

gaimarjva sabolood!),

daviTaSvils. es isev ibatonebs

aq, amas aRar daurCa qalaqSi

arc erTi samRvdelo piri

gaulaxavi (fizikuradac ki!) da

daumcirebeli, agreTve arc

erTi qaliSvili qali, romelc

ki msaxurobda sakaT. sabWos Tu

mis kanceliariaSi, gauupatiurebeli

da gaulanzRavi. dek. k. cincaZis

qalsac ki gamoudga kantoris

arqivSi da wivil-kiviliT

gamostaces xelidan daviTaSvils

es gogo!.. esec Cahylapes

da bevric kidev sxva...

18 noemberi

eklesiuri cxovreba mimdinareobs

metad uferulad, „saWeTmpyrobeli”

Cveni moewyo sazamTrod

Tbilad da rbilad, dek.

lazriSvilma Cveni sanTlis qarxnis

saSvalebaTagan mouzida

didZali SeSa, naxSiri, am zafxuls

Cemi SegonebiT samRvdeloebis

dramisagan gadadebuli

puric CamouvidaT _ zogi kaTolikozs,

zogic sakaT. sabWos wevrebs

da samwerloebis moxeleebs

(netavi visTvis an risTvisRa

gvinda amdeni moxeleebi?! _

vin aris gamkiTxavi); didZali

fuli inTqeba! jer „uCenaia muxa”

ar Camobzuebula quTaisidan,

mowafeebi ara hyavT, „reqtori”

raT undaT, aqedan ugzavnian

jamagirs. yovel SemTxvevisaTvis

„rezervSi” hyavT _ sadaTarigod!

ar ician ra uyon am

dek. cicqiSvils! akurTxon episkoposad

gorisa _ „vaia”, ar akurTxon

_ „uia”, miuSves veris nikolozis

samrevloSi, iqneb kargi

mrevliT dakmayofildes da

episkoposoba gadaifiqroso, eSiniaT

am Tavxed cicqiSvilisa,

romelic sakaTolikozodac

emzadeba, rafo ivanickis metoqed

gamodis! magram dek. cicqiSvili

isev episkoposobaze hfiqrobs,

„aq, mrevlSi, droebiT var

miCenili, _ uTqvams giorgiZis

qvrivisaTvis, _ me erTi oTaxi

momicaleT, bina sapiorni quCaze

maqvs, arc fulebis saSovrad

movsulvar aq, me iseTi Zlieri

partia myavs, rom anaforebis,

waRebis da sxva saWiro nivTebis

SesaZenad aTi milioni kidevac

Semigroveso”! meore mRvdeli

imav mrevlisa, cicqiSvilis kursis

seminariis studenti, dek. v.

mataTaSvili, diakonis adgilze

hyavs, _ „kukiis sasaflaoze me

mgzavnis, TviTon ki aq dabrZandeba

da fulebs xvetso”, _ usayvedurnia

mataTaSvils Tvis

„winamZRvarze”; sxva samrevloeb-

Sic didi borotmoqmedebebia,

iZarcveba didube, wm. nino, petre-pavle,

qvaSveTi, wm. barbale

_ navTluxSi, vin aris patroni,

xmis gamcemi... Cveni kaTolikozi

ki Tbilad-rbilad mokalaTebuli,

mainc wuwunebs: rodesac

soflis mRvdlebi Sedian xolme

saqmeze, ase SesCivis maT: „Tqven

ra giSavT, Cemze mets iRebT da

uzrunvel yofilni xarTo”! _

mRvdlebi gamodian da Tavis qneviT

amboben: „es metad xarbi da

angarebis kaci yofilao”!.. am

dReebSi iyo kaTolikozTan du-

SeTis mazridan mRvdeli g. WeliZe

da ase sTqva man...

metad unugeSo mdgomareoba-

Sia guria-samegrelos eparqia!

Wyondideli mitropoliti giorgi

(aladaSvili) gadadga samsaxuridan;

eparqia miaweres qu-

TaTels! aba rogor unda mouaros

quTaTelma am droSi guriasamegrelosac!

am eparqiisaTvis

hfiqrobden arqimandrit nestors,

yubaneiSvils, gelaTis winamZRvars,

magram mgoni aqauri

„kamarilia” ar swyalobs mas da

axalgazrda arqimandrit pavles

(jafariZes) amzadeben guriasamegrelosTvis.

samoqalaqo saswavlebeli

aqvs dasrulebuli

WiaTuraSi! _ dek. fxalaZe ki dadis

kaxeTis rkinisgzis matareblis

revizorad! es aris eklesiis

movla-patronoba?!.

„kavkasiis respublikaTa

federacia”

7 ama noembers, rogorc zemodac

aRvniSne, komunistebma idResaswaules

maTi oTxi wlis „gadatrialebis”

Tavi. meore dRes

ki gazeT „komunistSi” (qarTuli)

da „pravda da gruziaSi” gamocxadda

saqarTvelo-somxiTaderbaijanis

respublikaTa federacia

moskovis meTaurobiT!

ase damTavrda saqarTvelos „damoukideblobis”

komedia, romelsac

25 Tebervlidan ase Tvalmaqcurad

TamaSobden Cveni ubeduri

komunistebi! exla „SemoawydaT

Zua” amden tyuilebisa,

niRabi aexada rusTa batonobis

anu imperializmis axal politikas

kavkasiaSi, qarTveli komunistebi

ki mainc finia ZaRlebiviT

wkav-wkaveben da gangvimartaven

gazeTSi Tu ra aris „damoukidebloba”!

namdvili „damoukidebloba”

am „federaciaSi” gveqnebao,

_ gahkivian ase usircxvilod!

am saxiT saqarTvelos

„damoukidebloba” gahqra sizmariviT!

iwyeba axali xana Cveni

qveynis istoriaSi; xalxi metad

daqsaqsulia, inteligencia Ti-

Tqmis sul erTianad cixeSia gamomwyvdeuli,

nadiroben menSevikebze,

iWeren da uwyalod xvreten

„CekaSi”, yovel Ram did Zali

burJuazia da inteligencia

ixvriteba. menSevikebis „delegacia”

daatusaRes da aravin icis

Tu ra mouvida mas. xalxi dabegres

naturiT _ puriT da sanovagiT;

tfilisis vaWarni 50 miliardiT

dabegres, kidev elian

axal begaras. magram fuli mainc

aklia mTavrobas, fulis niSnebi

ara hyofniT; es naxevari weliwadia

tfilisis maswavlebelni

ar Rebuloben sanovages, wineT

girvanqa purs iZleoden mosamsaxureTa

ojaxis sulze, Semdeg

naxevar girvanqas, mere meoTxedsa,

Semdeg sul mospes, puris

fuls mogcemTo, arc puris

fuls iZlevian da arc jamagirsa.

es ori Tvea jamagiridan er-

Ti groSi ar migviRia tfilisis

maswavlebelT! metad gaWirebul

mdgomareobaSi varT. wineT vi-

RebdiT 32.900 maneTs TveSi! Semdeg

es jamagiri gamidides 92.000

maneTad! magram am fuliT erTi

fuTi simindis fqvilic ki ar iyideba!

exla aRarc am jamagirs

maZleven arc me da arc sxvebs,

davdivarT da muqTad vaswavliT

mowafeebs, romelnic „swavlis

fulisagan” ganTavisuflebulia!

ase rom, komunistebma miaRwies

mizans _ „ufaso swavlaswavleba!”

es mgoni pirveli magaliTia

dedamiwaze! magram ase-

Ti viTareba didxans ver gastans

_ ingreva-iRupeba skola, gvexrwneba

axali Taoba _ arc erT

saswavlebelSi cotad Tu bevrad

normaluri swavla jer arc

ki dawyebula, vaJTa pirvel gimnaziaSi

ki jer srulebiTac ar

34 N3 (305) 4.02-10.02.2020 w.


dauwyiaT swavla, mowafeebi ki am

dReebSi baTumisken waiyvanes

„saekskursiod”! iqidan ro dabrundebian,

maSin ityvian _ klasebSi

civa, saTbobi masala SeSamazuTi

_ ara gvaqvs da daviTxovoTo.

ase cuRlutobaSi gadis

mTeli saswavlo weliwadebi da

gveRupeba skola, rogorc qalaqad,

ise soflad. maswavlebelni

garbian... male qarTuli ena ara

savaldebulo sagnad gamocxaddeba,

qarTulad saqmis warmoeba

TandaTan adgils uTmobs rusuls

da Sors aRar aris is dro,

ro aRsdges TviTmmpyrobelobis

droindeli weswyobileba _ biurokratizmis

mTeli saxe; saSineli

TviTnebobaa gabatonebuli

yvela uwyebaSi. samaswavlo uwyebis

TavSi sdgas komisari kandelaki

_ axalgazrda briyvi komunisti,

magram faqtiurad am

uwyebis _ „narkomprosi” _ mamoZravebelia

rusi iona brisniCevi,

yofili mRvdeli, seminariis

mesame klasidan daTxovnili

rusi; rogorc surs, ise atrialebs

Cvens ubedur „kandelaks”

(akaki Cxenkelis diswulia! akaki

ki evropaSi daZrwis, _ komunistebis

winaaRmdeg muSaoben evropaSi

Jordania-CxeiZe-Cxenkeli

da maTi kompania, magram evropa

yursac ar ibertyavs CvenTvis!..)

exla Semovida CemTan erTi qar-

Tveli oficeri _ „wiTeli armieli”

da miTxra: „qarTul wiTel

armias Slian, rusis jars uer-

Teben, „amierkavkasiis jaris saxeliT

viqnebiT maTTan erTad

aTqvefilio, es mgoni Cveni mospobis

momaswavebelia”, _ guldawyvetilad

miTxra; da agrec

aris es... aseTi politikuri umweoba

arasodes ar yofila mgoni

saqarTveloSi; yvelaze samwuxaro

is aris, rom Cveni eris

Tumca mcire nawili, magram

mainc xels uwyobs saqarTvelos

aseT gadagvarebis da gadaSenebis

politikas; aq komunizmi da

socializmi mxolod sababia, mxolod

erTnairi iaraRia rusis

batonobis aRsadgenad CvenSi,

rogorc wineT iyo „pravoslavie”

anu rusis erTan Cveni eris

erTmorwmunoeba!!! Tu maSin

did-didi Tavadebi da zogi sam-

Rvdelo pirni xels uwyobden

CvenSi rusul xelisuflebis ganmtkicebas,

dRes am rols Tama-

Soben Cveni komunistebi _ meti-

Carani _ mdivani, maxaraZe, oraxelaSvili,

eliava-dumbaZe-bibineiSvili-TalaqvaZeni

da maTi

mimyolni. magram am „laqiebs” male

daiTxoven batonebi da isev

TavianT kacebs wamoayeneben, rogorc

iyo „ruseTis did revoluciamde”

_ 1917 wlis Tebervlamde!..

unda vifiqroT, rom eklesiur

damoukideblobasac

davkargavT; male am niadagzedac

aRiZreba rusebis muSaoba;

magram cincaZe-ToTibaZe isev

moaxerxeben ruseTis eklesiisaken

ibrunon piri, es is „katebia”,

romelnic zurgiT arasodes miwaze

ar davardebian, saidanac

unda gadaagdoT, isev fexze

dasdgebian! es qarTvelebis „vanka-vstankebi”

arian!

`moqalaqe-mRvdlis dRiuri~

26 noemberi. SabaTi

dRes diliT d. daviTaSvilis

kancelariidan momivida moweriloba,

romliTac mauwyebs, rom

„24 noembridan gadmocemul misi

uwmindesobis gankargulebiT

Tqven daniSnuli xarT RvTiv

gansvenebul kaTolikoz-patriarqis

leonidis saxelobis samoZRvro

kursebis direqtorad;

gTxovT am saswavleblis mowyoba-mowesrigebis

sakiTxis Sesaxeb

saTaTbirod gamocxaddeT ka-

Tolikoz-patriarq ambrosisTan

_ Semdeg daviTaSvili sakuTari

saxeliT umatebs _ „ramdenadac

SeiZleba mokle xanSi” _ es mowerilobaa

24 noembris 1921 w.

#1165.

am rveulis 34 gverdis meore

furcelze da 37 gverdzec sakmarisad

aris naTqvami am „kursebis”

Sesaxeb, Tu rogor me TviTon

Sevel kaTolikozTan da gavafrTxile

_ „ki ar damniSnoT

kursebis gamgeT Tqo”. amaze mipasuxa

_ „uCenaia muxa” surda am

Tanamdebobaze. megona, rom es

xifaTi amSorda, magram ai, rogori

msvleloba miuRia saqmes:

ep. daviTs uari ganucxadebia

„direqtorobazec” da sazogadod

tfilisSi dabrunebazec;

metad Seuracxyofilad grZnobs

Tavs, rom SarSan _ 1920 wlis saeklesio

krebam daiTxova is urbnisis

eparqiidan (namdvilad ki

daviTi iZulebuli iyo, uari ganecxadebia

am eparqiaze, winaaRmdeg

SemTxvevaSi, goris dekanozi

Cita kasraZe mzad iyo dasabuTebuli

saCivriT magis axirebul

xasiaTebisa anu uxasiaTobis gamo,

magisi aranormaluri, zogjer

masxaruli kiloTi, leqsad

gamoTqmuli rezoliucebi, sruli

umoqmedoba da ganrRveulobisa

gamo umoZraoba) da airCies

sakaTolikozo sabWos wevrad;

Cven Tavis adgilze aRvniSneT

kidec Tu rogor es episkoposi

leonid kaTolikozTan erTad

24 Tebervals gaiqca dasavleT

saqarTveloSi, migvatoves upatronod,

RvTis anabarad, bolSevikebis

Semosvlis SiSiT! ai

es aris tipi saxarebaSi macxovris

mier aRniSnul „sasyidliT

dadginebul mwyemsisa”, romelic

_ „ivltis”... miuxedavad am

„sivltolisa”, arc leonidi,

arc TviT ambrosi, arc daviTi

da arc samxedro taZris „protopresviteri”

dek. ToTibaZe

ixtibars ar itexen, TiTqos buzic

ar afrenodeT, ise usircxvilod

dabrundnen TavTavianT

adgilebze, rodesac saSiSroebam

ganvlo... daviTi ki aRar dabrunebula,

mas „pensia” dauniSnes

da scxovrobda gelaTSi. rodesac

leonidi gardaicvala, qu-

TaTeli nazari da daviTi saCqarod

Camovidnen tfilisSi; dek.

k. cincaZem gadmomilaparaka: „ai,

Cveni axali kaTolikozi (uCvena

nazarze) da ai, axali quTaTelio

(uCvena daviTze). cxadia, rom

daviTsac aReZra Wia Tavmoyvareobisa

da surda quTaTeli mitropolitis

xarisxi gaekra da

exla imereTis eparqia aeriv-daeria.

magram, rogorc viciT, nazar-daviTis

politika damarcxda,

daviTma es igrZno da ucbad

Semotrialda, aCvena ambrosis

Tavi, TiTqos mas TanaugrZnobda,

mas misca TeTri kenWi da ara

nazars, ris gamo TiTqos ukanaskneli

Surs Ziobs daviTze,

daviTi gaqceula gelaTidan

sofelSi da exla soflidan es

„uCenaia muxa” surda Camoeyvana

tfilisSi ambrosis „kursebis

direqtorad” da erTnair qorepiskoposad.

magram, rodesac

daviTs gaugia dek. qr. cicqiSvilis

urbnisis eparqiis episkoposad

arCeva, cecxli mosdebia

da mouTxovia mieces mas guriasamegrelos

eparqia, rac, mgoni,

miucia kidec sakaT. sabWos... amis

Semdeg kaTolikozis kamariliam

daago CemTvis Semdegi qseli: ambrosisagan

ukve icodnen, rom

„kursebis” direqtorobaze me

windawin uari vsTqvi, maSasadame

ar vxsni Cems kandidaturas veris

wm. nikolozis samrevloze,

sadac „droebiT” dek. cicqiSvili

Caayenes, namdvilad ki, rogorc

TandaTan irkveva, am samrevlos

miwera surs kaTolikozs

samxedro taZarze, sadac

ToTibaZe brZandeba „protopresviterad”.

„mxedreba” aRar

eltvis am taZars, jamagiri da

raime daxmareba aRar eZleva

xazinidan, mrevli ver Seqmna,

mgaloblebi ara hyavT, wirva ar

uvargaT, locva da yofaqceva,

iqve gverdiT qvaSveTis taZari

akravs, sadac ToTibaZis Tana-

Zma dek. cincaZe „moRvaweobs” da

erTmaneTs lukmas aclian piridan,

xolo am niadagze, ubralo

„Zvalzedac” ki SesaZlebelia

aseT megobrebis waCxubeba; meore

mxriT samxedro taZarze

uaris Tqmac ase ucbad ulamazoa,

„ras ityvis sazogadoeba”!

gaavrceles provokaciuli xmebi,

TiTqos bolSevikebs gadaewyvitosT

kidec „samxedro taZris

CamorTmeva da misi klubad

Tu samkiTxvelod gadakeTeba”!

es xmebi Zlier gaavrcela xalx-

Si ToTibaZem, ase rom bolos

Sevidnen zogi erisaganni bobola

bolSevikebTan da hkiTxes, _

ramdenad safuZvliania aseTi

xmebi. bolSevikebis xelmZRvanelebma

ki _ serioJa qavTaraZem,

budu mdivanma, oraxelaSvilma

da sxv. gadaWriT uarhyves ase-

Ti ganzraxva, _ „Cven klubebic

sakmarisi gvaqvs da samkiTxveloebic

da Tu kidev dagv-

Wirdeba, samagiso Senobasac vi-

SovniT, eklesiebs Cven xels ar

vaxlebT saamisodo”... maSasadame

ToTibaZis survili, rom bolSevikebs

CamoerTmiaT misTvis es

taZari da erTnair mowamebriv

mantiaSi gaxveuliyo da ise _

„lamazad” gadabrZanebuliyo wm.

nikolozis samrevloSi, ar Sesrulda.

exla meore mxriv uvlian

saqmes: taZaric SeinarCunos,

binac am taZrisa, sadac exla

aris gamoWimuli, xolo mrevli

da Semosavali hqondes veris nikolozidan,

sadac TviT winamZ-

Rvrad iqneba, xolo faqtiurad

meore mRvdeli dek. e. mataTaSvili

imuSavebs. ai, aseTi „kombinaciebia”!

es „kombinacia” kaTolikoz

ambrosis cota ar iyos

uxerxulad miaCnia, anCisxats

gverdiT patara _ wm. giorgis

mrevli ar miawera, is sions miawera,

exla ki vera samxedro taZars

miaweros es uxerxulad miaCnia,

Cemica scxvenia, aRar icis

ra hqnas, _ cxadia, kaTolikozi

„Tavis Tavs ar eyudvnis”, _ is

saTamaSo iaraRad gamxdara ukve

cincaZe-ToTibaZis xelSi da

isev amaTi rCeviT, Cemda kbilis

mosaWrelad, 26 noembers ar arsebul

dawesebulebis gamgeoba,

romlis (kursebis) gaxsna, mowyoba-mogvareba

dRes SeuZlebelia

Cemis mxriv gansakuTrebiT,

vinaidan sakaT. sabWos wevrebi _

esenive pirvelni xels SemiSlian,

rom saqme CamefuSos; kekeliZe,

romelmac dahRupa seminaria

_ sasuliero saswavlebeli, es

anafora gaxdili yofili reqtori,

dRes eriskacad sakaT.

sabWoSi mesame saeklesio krebis

mier sakaT. sabWos wevrad movlenili,

cincaZe-mirianovi da r.

ivanicki, gana eseni iTanamSromleben

CemTan, eseni ar ecdebian

sircxvilSi Camagdon?! erT-or

sam Tves momcemen jamagirs (amis

raodenoba jer ar aris cnobili),

Semdeg ro mowafeebi aRarsaidan

gamoCndeba da kursebis

gaxsna haerSi iqneba gamokiduli,

sakaT. sabWos sameurneo gamgeobis

„direqtori” dim. lazriSvili

gancxadebas Seitans sakaT.

sabWoSi moixsnas kursebis direqtoris

jamagiri, romelic met

xarjaT awevs sakaT. sabWoso, magaT

samRvdeloebis mier amor-

Ceul kontrolis Tanamdeboba

gamiuqmes da aq damzogaven?! ase

surT Cemi gamasxaraveba „kursebis”

asparezze. SesaZlebelia es

sxva „direqtors” verc hkadron

da verc gaubedon, SesaZlebelia

sxvam moawyos kidec es kursebi

da me ar msurs, rom es didi da

saSvili-Svilo saqme Cemis mizeziT

Zirs daeces, damcirdes da

xeli moecaros. amitom imav 26

noembris TariRiT #81 moxsenebiT,

vrceli, dasabuTebuli

moxsenebiT, uari ganucxade ka-

Tolikozs am „direqtorobaze”

_ gavagzavne paketiT, TviTon

aRar wavsulvar, rom raime meti

laparaki ar momsvloda da ka-

Tolikozi ar gamejavrebia...

(gagrZeleba Semdeg nomerSi)

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35

Tengiz abloTia

8 ivlisidan, rodesac ZalaSi Sevida rusuli saaviacio da

turistuli sanqciebi saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg, qveyanaSi ar

wydeba saubrebi maTi gauqmebisa da frenebis aRdgenis aucileblobaze.

saxelisuflebo elitaSi amaze aqtiurad lapara-

kobs yvela _ dawyebuli premier-ministriT, damTavrebuli

araformaluri mmarTveliT. es erTgvar axirebas waagavs,

rodesac naklebad mniSvnelovani sakiTxi, albaT, TviTdarw-

munebis wyalobiT, aSkarad gadaWarbebul aqtualurobas iZens.


naTlad adasturebs, rom iq sazogado

da piradi arsebobs cal-calke

_ es ori paraleluri samyaroa,

romelic TiTqmis arasdros

ikveTeba.

saSualostatistikuri rusi

zogadad eTanxmeba mTavrobas, rom

dasavleTi cdilobs ruseTis da-

Cagvras da agresiulia mis mimarT,

rusi turistebis raodenoba sakmarisia

imisTvis, rom turistul industrias

seriozuli problemebi

ar Seeqmnas, Tumca kritikuli ukve

araa.

dRes saqarTvelos imdeni rusi

turisti hyavs, ramdenic Camova

yvelanair situaciaSi _ es aris turisti,

romelic mizandasaxulad

sanqciebis SemoRebamde 1 dolari

Rirda 2,78 lari, dRes _ 2, 88.

es ar aris katastrofuli vardna

_ gasul wlebSi lari ufasurdeboda

gacilebiT ufro mkveTrad,

maSin, rodesac rusi turistebis

raodenoba rekordebs xsnida.

yvela am faqtoridan gamomdinare,

saqarTvelos strategiulad

saqarTvelo da rusuli sanqciebi

Tu realur situacias ar SevxedavT

da mxolod saqarTvelos

mmarTveli gundis warmomadgenlebis

gamosvlebs movusmenT am

Temaze, STabeWdileba Segveqmneba,

rom qveyana ruseTTan urTierTobebis

aRdgenis gareSe daiRupeba.

amave dros, saqarTvelo gacilebiT

mets kargavs iraneli turistebis

mimarT Tavxeduri damokidebulebis

gamo, Tumca es aravis

awuxebs _ arc erTi qarTveli ma-

RalCinosani ar akeTebs gancxadebebs

imaze, rom es

problema unda gadawydes,

Tumca mzad

arian, ded-mama gayidon,

oRond urTierTobebi

aRdges

ruseTTan.

xelisuflebis

panikuri SiSebi

sruliad gasagebi

da logikuri

iyo ivlisis

dasawyisSi,

rodesac rusuli

sanqciebi

amoqmedda.

aman marTlac

gamoiwvia

didi gaurkvevloba _ aravin icoda,

ra mohyveboda frenebisa da

organizebuli turizmis akrZalvas,

Tanac sakurorto sezonis

dasawyisSi, ramdeni rusi turisti

Camovidoda saqarTveloSi da,

saerTod, ra eloda qarTul turistul

industrias.

Tumca dRes, TiTqmis 7 Tvis

Semdeg, naTelia, rom moskovis

gaTvlebi ar gamarTlda da katastrofa

ar moxda _ ar CamoiSala

arc turizmi da arc ekonomika,

zogadad.

kremlis mier gamocxadebuli

sanqciebi, garkveulwilad, gaaneitrala

rusulma mentalitetma.

saqarTveloSi rusuli erovnuli

xasiaTi bevrs arasworad esmis _

CvenTan arsebobs warmodgena, rom

saSualostatistikuri rusi,

romelic Sepyrobilia imperiuli

ideologiiT, brmad emorCileba

xelisuflebas da usityvod asrulebs

yvela mis miTiTebebs.

es asec aris da, amave dros, arc

aris. rodesac saqme exeba zogad

sakiTxebs, rusebi marTlac ar arian

zedmeti SekiTxvebis dasmas

miCveulebi, Tumca am

qveynis istoria

Tumca es mas xels ar uSlis evropaSi

samogzaurod da StatebSi saxlebis

sayidlad.

zogadi _ calke, piradi _ calke.

rusi adamiani miCveulia, rom

misi qveyana yovelTvis viRacas

ebrZvis da viRacasTan WidaobaSia

da yovelTvis marTalia, Tumca es

ar exeba mis pirad gegmebs.

swored am, mravali saukuneebis

manZilze Camoyalibebulma gaorebam,

gadaarCina qarTuli turistuli

industriis rusuli mimarTuleba.

rusebis didma nawilma ar

Tqva uari saqarTveloSi gamgzavrebaze

da aman CaSala kremlis

gegmebi.

ra situacia gvaqvs dRes? realurad

rom SevafasoT, dRevandeli

viTareba optimaluria saqarTvelosTvis

da misi Secvla sulac

araa saWiro.

bolo monacemebiT, yvelafris

miuxedavad, rusi turistebi mravlad

Camodian saqarTveloSi, Tumca

ukve ar dominireben _ ruseTma

gadainacvla pirvelidan mesame adgilze

vizitorTa raodenobiT azerbaijanisa

da somxeTis Semdeg.

situacia TiTqmis idealuria _

Camodis saqarTveloSi imitom, rom

saqarTvelis naxva surs da ara imitom,

rom turpaketi 20 dolariT

iafia.

Cven dRes viciT rusi turistebis

politikuri TvalsazrisiT

usafrTxo raodenoba _ zusti ricxvi,

romelic optimaluria rogorc

turistuli industriisTvis,

aseve erovnuli usafrTxoebis ku-

TxiT _ es aris, daaxloebiT, 1 mln.

adamiani weliwadSi, meti arc aris

saWiro.

Cven madloba unda vuTxraT

putins, rom man iCqara da sanqciebi

SemoiRo 2019 ivlisSi, da ara, magaliTad,

2021 wels, rodesac 2018-

2019 wlebis tempebis gaTvaliswinebiT,

rusi turistebis wili iqneboda

ara 10-20%, aramed gacilebiT

meti _ 40 an, sulac, 50%. ai,

maSin ki iqneboda namdvili katastrofa.

2019 wels saqarTvelos ekonomikam

dagvanaxa, rom is ar aris totalurad

da kritikulad damokidebuli

ruseTze _ amaze metyvelebs

ara mxolod turistuli

statistika, aramed ekonomikuri

mdgomareobis yvelaze

zusti indikatori _

laris kursi.

awyobs arsebuli mdgomareobis

SenarCuneba. dRes saaviacio mimosvlis

aRdgenisken miswrafeba biZina

ivaniSvilis vaWrukanuli fsiqologiis

maCvenebelia _ am tipis adamianebisTvis

dRevandeli Semosavlis

mcire zrda ufro mniSvnelovania,

vidre qveynis usafrTxoeba

da xvalindeli dRe.

kremlma 2019 ivlisSi Tavisi xeliT

gaakeTa is, rac unda gaekeTebina

saqarTvelos _ SeaCera qveynis

ekonomikis ruseTze kritikulad

mibmis procesi. xval putinma

Seqmnili situaciidan swori daskvna

rom gaakeTos, is aucileblad

aRadgens saaviacio mimosvlas _ ma-

Sin yvelaferi Zvelebur kalapots

daubrundeba, rusi turistebis

wili ganagrZobs zrdas da erT

dros marTlac miaRwevs kritikul

zRvars.

amitomac, saqarTvelos xelisuflebaSi

saxelmwifoebrivad moazrovne

adamianebi rom iyvnen da ara

wvrili movaWreebi, maT araTu

unda scadon ruseTTan Zveli ur-

TierTobebis aRdgena, aramed uari

unda Tqvan amaze maSinac ki, Tu

moskovis mxridan Sesabamisi SeTavazeba

iqneba. dRes rusuli turizmi

saqarTveloSi optimalur

donezea, meti arc aris saWiro.

qveynisTvis ukeTesi iqneba, yvelaferi

ise darCes, rogorc dRes

aris.

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politikur procesebSi axalgazrdebi

aqtiurad arian CarTulebi, gansakuTrebiT ki axalgazrduli

moZraobebi _ isini gavrilovis saqarTveloSi stum-

robisa da „qarTuli ocnebis” mier proporciul saarCevno

sistemaze gadasvlis Cagdebis Semdeg gaaqtiurdnen da yoveld-

Riur reJimSi gamoxataven protests mmarTveli gundis qmedebe-

bisa da gadawyvetilebebis winaaRmdeg. amasobaSi ki sul ufro

da ufro imsxvreva stereotipi, rom politika binZuri saqmea.

ra gegmebi aqvs axalgazrdul moZraoba „Secvales”? ra aqtivobe-

biT ecdebian isini, xelisuflebas proporciuli saarCevno

sistema daaTmobinon da apireben Tu ara, regionebi moicvan?

am da mimdinare politikur

Temebze „qronika+~ rubrika „ax-

algazrda politikosebSi” moZraoba

„Secvales” wevr giorgi ku-

pataZes esaubra:

_ „nacionaluri moZraobis” deputat

levan xabeiSvils sakrebu-

los sxdomaze Tavs daesxnen, aseve

„mTavari arxis” damfuZnebel nika

gvaramias Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTloSi

fizikurad gausword-

nen. aris Tu ara es politikuri

niSniT angariSsworeba?

_ mgonia, rom politikurma garemom,

rac ivaniSvilma daamyara,

agresiis momateba gamoiwvia. Cven

gvaxsovs, rom Tavs esxmodnen sxvadasxva

politikur liders, maT

Soris, bolo SemTxveva iyo levan

xabeiSvilze Tavdasxma. amavdroulad,

moZraoba „Secvalesa” da „gabedes”

wevrebs xSirad esxmian Tavs

politikurad motivirebuli da,

ZiriTadad, partiulad davalebuli

adamianebi. swored „qarTuli

ocnebis” partaqtivi esxmis Tavs da

gvaxsovs msgavsi SemTxvevebi mcxeTaSi

_ „qarTuli ocnebis” ofis-

Tan jer „gabedes” wevrebs daesxnen

Tavs, Semdeg _ moZraoba „Secvales”

wevrebs. sul raRac 2 dRis

win samegreloSi moxda faqti, rodesac

Cvens sam wevrs fizikurad

gauswordnen „qarTuli ocnebis”

wevrebi, maTgan erT-erTi daakaves,

erTis adgilmdebareoba ki arc ician.

saboloo jamSi, vfiqrob, es

yvelaferi politikuri angariSsworebaa,

rac ivaniSvilma daamyara,

is SeSinebulia da TavisTavad Si-

Sis dros bevr msgavs rames gaakeTebs.

_ is, rom mmarTveli gundi bo-

lo periodSi gansakuTrebiT xSi-

rad aTamaSebs kunTebs, raze met-

yvelebs?

_ rogorc vTqvi, mmarTveli

gundi SeSinebulia _ mas eSinia Tavisufali

azris da zogadad Tavisufali

adamianebis. ician, rom damarcxebulebi

arian da yvelafers

akeTeben, raTa ZalauflebaSi yofna

gaixangrZlivon, magram es Zalaufleba

mxolod furcelzea.

zustad magitom arian fizikur angariSsworebaze

gadasulebi.

_ prezident zurabiSvilma

evropis sabWoSi gamosvlis dros

ganacxada, rom maisSi evrosabWos

asambleisTvis saqarTvelo rus

delegatebs qveyanaSi dauSvebs,

miuxedavad imisa, namyofebi arian

Tu ara isini okupirebul teri-

toriebze. prezidentis TqmiT, is

gverds auvlis sakuTar kanonmdeblobas.

iyo Tu ara es mizanmima-

rTulad gakeTebuli gancxadeba?

_ Cemi azriT, salome zurabiSvilis

es gancxadeba absoluturad

mizanmimarTulad gadadgmuli

nabiji iyo da arc is mgonia, rom

zurabiSvilis mier evropis sabWos

tribunidan ivaniSvilis prezidentad

moxsenieba Secdoma yofiliyo.

SeiZleba, sityvierad man Secdoma

dauSva, magram qvecnobierad salome

zurabiSvilma Zalian kargad

icis, rom is ivaniSvilma daniSna

prezidentad, radgan qarTvel

xalxs ar aurCevia zurabiSvili.

rac Seexeba lavrovis sakiTxs, es

aris Cveulebrivi kapitulacia,

kolaboracionisturi meTodika,

rodesac mtrul Zalas epatiJebi

qveyanaSi, maSin, roca ici, ra moxda

gavrilovis Camosvlis dros.

miT umetes, arRvev kanonsa da konstitucias,

romlis garantic, wesiT

da rigiT, Tavad qalbatoni zurabiSvili

unda iyos. zurabiSvilis

es gancxadeba mizanmimarTulia

da am mTavrobas, zogadad,

prorusuli xelwera aqvs. ivaniSvili

aris ruseTis mefisnacvali,

romelmac salome zurabiSvilis

saxiT moRalate daniSna prezidentad.

evropis sabWoze zurabiSvilis

mier gakeTebuli gancxadeba

aris im antidasavluri, prorusuli

propagandis gagrZeleba, rasac

„qarTuli ocnebis” warmomadgenlebi

axorcieleben.

_ mmarTveli gundis warmomad-

genlebi lavrovis CamosvlasTan

dakavSirebiT argumentad imas

iSvelieben, rom saqarTvelo

evropis sabWos Tavmjdomare qveyanaa

da Sesabamisad uwevT mo-

qmedeba. am argumentze ras ityviT

da ra SeiZleba mohyves lavrovis

saqarTveloSi Camosvlas?

_ es argumenti sruli sisulelea,

Cven gvaqvs kanoni, konstitucia

da arCeuli sagareo kursi.

Sesabamisad, qveynis mTavroba valdebulia,

daicvas es yvelaferi.

qveynis prezidenti mowodebis simaRleze

unda iyos da Tuki vinme

kanons an konstitucias arRvevs,

TviTon unda aRkveTos. evropis

sabWo ar gvavalebs, rom Cveni kanonebi

da konstitucia davarRvioT.

rac Seexeba safrTxeebs, yvelam

vnaxeT, ra moyva gavrilovis

saqarTveloSi Camosvlas, romelic

„W klasis” politikosia, lavrov-

Tan SedarebiT. lavrovis Camosvla

es iqneba ruseTisa da oligarq ivaniSvilis

mxridan kbilis mosinjva

qarTuli demokratiisTvis da

qarTuli sazogadoebisTvis, Tu

ramdenad vdgavarT mowodebis simaRleze.

Cven Tu am yvelafers gadavylapavT,

ruseTi mets moindomebs.

Tuki qarTveli xalxi iseve

gaaprotestebs lavrovis Camosvlas,

rogorc gavrilovis SemTxvevaSi,

maSin SegveZleba vTqvaT,

rom qarTvelma xalxma SeinarCuna

Rirseba da prodasavluri kursi.

moZraoba „Secvalem” ukve gavafrTxileT

saqarTvelos prezidenti

da Tuki lavrovs mainc SemouSveben

Cvens qveyanaSi, aTi aTasobiT

patriotulad da prodasavlurad

ganwyobili adamiani moZraoba

„SecvalesTan” erTad dadgeba rusTavelze

da gaapanRurebs lavrovs,

zed miayolebs prorusul,

moRalateobriv mTavrobas, Tuki

amis saWiroeba iqneba. lavrovis SemoSveba

saxelmwifo Ralatia, romelic

dasjadia.

_ am mocemulobaSi ramdenad

realuria proporciul sistemaze

gadasvla 2020 wlisTvis, miT

umetes vxedavT, rom xelisufle-

ba daTmobaze wasvlas ar apirebs

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giorgi kupataZe:

ìvaniSvili

Cveni

qveynisTvis

egzistenciuri

safrTxea~

da ra berketebi gaqvT samoqalaqo

sazogadoebas am SemTxvevaSi imi-

sTvis, rom xelisufleba aiZu-

loT, daTmos proporciuli

sistema?

_ mondomebis SemTxvevaSi savsebiT

realuria .. meore mxriv,

opoziciis SeTavazeba, „germanuli

modeli”, saerTod ar gulisxmobs

konstituciur cvlilebebs, am

SemTxvevaSi burTi da moedani xelisuflebis

mxaresaa. maT aqvT er-

TaderTi arCevani, daemorCilon

qarTveli xalxisa da konkretulad

im adamianebis nebas, romlebic

evropasa da amerikaSi Cveni

mxardamWerebi da megobrebi arian.

yvela vxedavT, rom aSS-dan werili

werilze modis da ivaniSvilma

prodasavlur kurss gadauxvia. am

dros moZraoba „Secvalesa” da sxva

organizaciis aqtivistebs Segvi-

Zlia, rom ivaniSvili da misi gundis

warmomadgenlebi yoveldRiur

reJimSi vamyofoT presingSi, maqsimaluri

diskomforti SevuqmnaT

maT. aseve evropasa da Cvens mokav-

Sireebs dasavleTSi gavagoneT,

rom saqarTveloSi arian adamianebi,

romelTac undaT demokratia,

proporciuli arCevnebi da qveynis

dasavlur kursze gadasvla.

_ mas Semdeg, rac axalgazrdu-

li moZraobebi aqtiurad CaerTeT

politikur procesebSi, xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebis mxridan

Tqveni misamarTiT braldebe-

bi ismoda, rom „nacionaluri

moZraobis” mier iyaviT marTuli.

es ramdenad moqmedebs Tqvens

moZraobaze uaryofiTad da ras

upirispirebT am braldebas?

_ simarTle giTxraT, namdvilad

ar mainteresebs, da darwmunebuli

var, Zalian bevr axalgazrdas,

romelic am moZraobaSia, ar

ainteresebs „qarTuli ocnebis”

propaganda, rom viRacebis mier

varT marTuli. yvela adamians aqvs

erTi gulwrfeli moTxovna da

survili _ es aris saqarTvelos

prodasavlur kursze gadasvla.

amis miRma vin rogor aRiqvams

politikur process, vin romeli

partiis an ideologiis moxmrea, es

axalgazrdebis gadasawyvetia. „qarTul

ocnebas” aranairi moraluri

ufleba ar aqvs, vinmes urCios,

Tu romeli partiis momxre iqneba.

ra Tqma unda, zogierTi adamiani

`yvelam vnaxeT, ra moyva gavrilovis

saqarTveloSi Camosvlas, romelic `W klasis~

politikosia, lavrovTan SedarebiT. lavrovis

Camosvla es iqneba ruseTisa da oligarq

ivaniSvilis mxridan kbilis mosinjva qarTuli

demokratiisTvis da qarTuli

sazogadoebisTvis, Tu ramdenad vdgavarT

mowodebis simaRleze. Cven Tu am yvelafers

gadavylapavT, ruseTi mets moindomebs. Tuki

qarTveli xalxi iseve gaaprotestebs lavrovis

Camosvlas, rogorc gavrilovis SemTxvevaSi,

maSin SegveZleba vTqvaT, rom qarTvelma xalxma

SeinarCuna Rirseba da prodasavluri kursi~

„nacionaluri moZraobis” momxrea,

magaliTad: „gabedeSi” sxvadasxva

politikuri partiis warmomadgenlebi

arian gaerTianebuli, yvelas

aqvs sakuTari politikuri Sexeduleba,

magram mTavari aris is, rom

ar avyveT „qarTuli ocnebis” propagandas.

vfiqrob, am propagandam

dakarga Zala. Cven unda vTqvaT,

rom Cveni mizania ivaniSvilis Secvla

arCevnebis gziT, kanonierad da

konstituciurad. mTavaria, ruse-

Tis mefisnacvali ivaniSvili mova-

SoroT qveynidan.

_ realurad sazogadoeba am

kuTxiT erTiania, rom ivaniSvili

xelisuflebas CamoSordes?

_ yvela Camoyalibda erTaderT

WeSmaritebaze, rom ivaniSvili Cveni

qveynisTvis egzistenciuri safrTxea.

Tuki gvinda, rom saqarTvelo

arsebobdes dasavleTis mier

aRiarebul sazRvrebSi, iyos prodasavluri,

demorkatiuli saxelmwifo

da adamianebi ar garbodnen

am qveynidan, amisTvis aucilebelia,

mefisnacvali ivaniSvili mova-

SoroT qveynidan. amaze mTeli sazogadoeba

SeTanxmebulia, Sesabamisad,

adamianebi gaakeTeben arCevans.

vin romel partias dauWers

mxars es calke sakiTxia, magram

ivaniSvilis winaaRmdeg sazogadoebis

mzaoba aris, rac arCevnebis

dRes damtkicdeba.

_ arsebobs aseTi stereotipi,

rom „politika binZuri saqmea”,

ris gamoc axalgazrdebi nakleb

interess iCenen, Tumca bolo pe-

riodSi axalgazrdebi aqtiurad

CaerTnen politikur procesebSi.

Tqven, rogorc axalgazrda poli-

tikosi, rogor fiqrobT, ratom

aris mniSvnelovani axalgazrdeb-

is CarTuloba politikur pro-

cesebSi?

_ qveynis momavalze pasuxismgebloba

unda aiRos axalgazrdebma,

is, rom „politika binZuri saqmea”

da amis gamo ar unda CaverToT, es

sruli absurdia. mgonia, rom rac

ufro meti sxvadasxva azrisa da

Sexedulebis mqone axalgazrda CaerTveba

politikaSi, es jansaR garemos

mogvcems, sadac yvela adamianis

azri pativsacemi iqneba da

Cveni qveynis demokratiuli ganviTarebis

kurss mivaqcevT yuradRebas.

Tuki axalgazrdebi uars

vityviT politikaSi CarTvaze, gia

volskis imedze unda viyoT?! Cven

unda aviRoT Zalaufleba xelSi da

Cven unda vakeToT is saqme, romelic

saqarTvelosa da Cveni qveynis

TiToeul moqalaqes gamoadgeba.

amitom aucilebelia axalgazrdebis

waxaliseba, rom maqsimalurad

meti axalgazrda CaerTos politikaSi.

_ rogoria moZraoba „Secva-

les” samoqmedo gegma?

_ moZraoba „Secvale” yoveld-

Riur reJimSi awarmoebs sxvadasxva

kampanias, aqciebisa Tu ganxilvebis

saxiT. aseve Cven ukve gavediT

regionebSi da samegrelodan daviwyeT

regionuli organizaciebis

Seqmna. yvela mxriv SevaviwroebT

„qarTul ocnebas” da vaiZulebT,

rom Cveni kanonieri moTxovna proporciul

arCevnebTan dakavSirebiT

iyos miRweuli. amis garda, Cven

mosaxleobas avuxsniT, rom ivaniSvili

saqarTvelos saxelmwifoebriobis

egzistenciuri safrTxea.

vapirebT meti komunikaciis damyarebas

adamianebTan, regionebSi

gasvlas da rac yvelaze mniSvnelovania,

ivaniSvilisa da misi reJimis

warmomadgenlebisTvis maqsimaluri

diskomfortis Seqmnas

vgegmavT.

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SarSan, iaponiaSi gamarTuli

msoflio Tasis Semdeg, saqarTvelos

moragbeTa nakrebi gulSematkivrebis

winaSe pirvelad Tbilis-

Si wardga, Tan metoqec uxerxuli

hyavda. axali sezoni da didi ragbi

iwyebao, aseTi iyo rumineTTan

dapirispirebamde winasamatCo anonsi.

visTvis rogor, Cveni sazomebiT

SesaZloa, asec iyos, magram

Tavs Tu ar movityuebT, maSin unda

vaRiaroT, rom 2020 wlis pirvel

Tebervals didi ragbi marTlac

daiwyo, oRond kardifSi, sadac 6

eris gaTamaSebaSi uelsma italias

gadaurbina, mogvianebiT irlandiam

_ Sotlandias, xolo safrangeTma

_ ingliss... Cven ki rumineTTan

adrec bevrjer nanaxs wina uqmeebze

erTxelac gadavavleT Tvali

da darwmunebulebi varT, sxva metoqeebTanac

igive iqneba.

qarTvelma moragbeebma ruminelebi

daibriyves da 41:13 mouges.

angariSidanac Cans, rom levan maisaSvilis

Segirdebs didi jafa ar

dadgomiaT, Tumca erTi xanoba an-

rac gvenaxa, isev vnaxeT

gariSi 13:13 iyo. amis miuxedavad,

borjRalosnebis saboloo warmatebaSi

eWvs veravin Seitanda. matCis

peripetiebis aRweras ar vapirebT,

ubralod vityviT, rom leloebiT

abJandaZe, modebaZe, gigaSvili,

kaWarava da WyoiZe gamoirCnen.

saqarTvelos nakrebma ki ruminelebi

ukve meToTxmeted daamarcxa

da anTimoz iverielis Tasi

TbilisSi daitova. ragbi evropis

egidiT momdevno matCs borjRalosnebi

9 Tebervals espaneTTan

stumrad gamarTaven, romelmac,

bevrisTvis moulodnelad, ruseTs

stumrad 31:12 mougo.

nole 1

talaxaZis

romi

dominik timma novak jokoviCis nerviulobiT isargebla da Tavad

kuTxeSi myofma, mrisxane metoqe iqiT gamoiWira. avstrielma meCog-

nem, romelmac avstraliis Ria pirvelobaze didebulad warmoaCina

Tavi, jokoviCs meore seti waarTva da mesameSic ifrina.

melburni rod leiveris arenazec bevrs jokoviCis hegemoniis

damxobis da axali Cempionis suni eca. jokoviCi ki timis mier uca-

bedad civi Sxapis gadavlebisgan gamowveuli Sokisgan gons meoTxe

setSi moego da ise aTamaSda, vin icis, avstrieli CogburTeli gul-

Si serbisTvis erT SeniSvnasac natrobda…

timi rom Cinebuli CogburTelia, amaze kamaTi uadgiloa. is, adre

Tu gvian, albaT, didi slemis jildoebsac Caixutebs da alalic

iqneba, magram jer am sixaruls ver uwia. avstrielma ukve mesame

meijoris finali waago. 2018 da 2019 wlebSi „rolan garosze” gruntis

mefe rafa nadalTan daiCagra, mwvane kontinentze ki _ avstrali-

is Ria pirvelobis mbrZanebelTan.

novak jokoviCisTvis melburniSi triumfi Cveul ambad iqca. al-

baT, amitomac iyo, iseTi emociebi rom aRar gadmoafrqvia, rogorc

es 2012 wels rafael nadalis damarcxebis Semdeg gaakeTa.

finali marTlac Tvalsaseiro sayurebeli gamodga, romelSic

jokoviCma tims uTxra, Seni droc mova, axla ki bodiSio 6:4, 4:6, 2:6,

6:3, 6:4 da avstraliis Ria pirveloba merved, xolo zogadad didi

muzaradis jildo meCvidmeted aRmarTa.

statistikasac Tu gadavavlebT Tvals vnaxavT, rom novak jokov-

iCma 78-e tituli moigo am maCvenebliT mexuTe adgilze damkvidrda,

xolo rojer federeris da rafael nadalis Semdeg mesamea, visac

oTxidan romelime didi slemis tituli 8-jer aqvs Caxutebuli.

dabolos: novak jokoviCi, mcire pauzis Semdeg, isev msoflios

pirveli Cogania.

morigi oqros medlebi laSa talaxa-

Zis isec umdidres koleqciaSi, amjerad,

msoflio Tasze gamarjvebis aRsaniSnad…

romSi laSa talaxaZem, cxadia, pirveloba

aravis dauTmo. man jer 215 kg.

Stanga aitaca, mere 255 kg. aswia. saTqmelia,

rom laSam meore adgilze gasul

rus antoni savCukze mTeli 31 kilogramiT

meti aswia.

orWidis saerTo jamSi laSa talaxaZis

angariSze 470 qula gaxlavT.

aqve getyviT, rom romSi naCvenebi SedegebiT

talaxaZem tokios olimpiuri

licenziisTvis saWiro qulebi daagrova.

aRniSnul msoflio Tasze saqarTvelos

Rirsebas 4 sportsmeni icavda, romelTa

angariSzec jamSi 11 medalia. 3

oqro laSa talaxaZis angariSzea, igive

Sedegi daafiqsira anton plesnoim, SoTa

miSveliZem 3 vercxlis medali moipova,

xolo goga CxeiZem 2 brinjao aiRo.

princi da mJavaSi Cadebuli xaSogi

arabuli fuli evropul fexburTSi male, Sesa-

Zloa, ramdenime miliardiT gaizardos. gulSematkivrebs

ki axali Seixis saxelis damaxsovreba mou-

wevT. muhamed bin salmani saudis arabeTis ufliswulia

da Zalian surs safexburTo klubis SeZe-

na. Tanac, romelimesi ki ara, saxelganTqmulis.

vTqvaT, manCesteris.

vin aris bin salmani?

mis ojaxs bevri, Zalian bevri fuli aqvs. daaxloebiT

1 trilioni evro... sakuTriv ufliswu-

lis biujets ki 970 miliard evrod afaseben. Zal-

aufleba ki mas gadatrialebis Semdeg miuRia, ro-

ca 2017 wels Tavisi biZaSvili gadaugdia taxti-

dan.

ufliswuls uyvars fulis xarjva da evropu-

li kultura. magaliTad, mas ekuTvnis parizSi

mdebare msoflioSi yvelaze ZviradRirebuli sax-

li (262 milioni). mis iaxtaze ki, romelic rusi

miliarderis, iuri Seflerisgan uyidia 433 mil-

ion evrod, saSinel ambebs hyvebian.

rogorc Cans, diplomatic yofila. kargi urT-

ierToba aqvs aSS-is prezident donald trampTan

da inglisis dedofalTan. Tumca bnel-bnel

saqmeebSi monawileobasac abraleben. magaliTad,

amboben, 2015 wels iemenSi mSvidobiani mosaxleo-

bis dabombva misi organizebuli iyoo.

yvelaze skandaluri istoria ki Jurnalist

jamal xaSogis gauCinarebas exeba, romelic stam-

bolSi, saudis arabeTis sakonsuloSi mokles.

Washington Post-is mimomxilvels awamebdnen, TiTebs

saTiTaod aWridnen, mere Tavi mokveTes, sxeuli

daanawevres da mJavaSi Caadnes.

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saqarTvelo: evropidan olimpiadamde

saqarTvelos nakrebs axlaxan budapeSt-

Si gamarTul evropis Cempionatze damajerebeli

TamaSi daufasda da sawylosno saxeobaTa

saerTaSoriso federaciidan friad sasiamovno

cnobac movida, rac Cveneburi wyalburTelebis

tokios 2020 wlis zafxulis

olimpiuri TamaSebis sakvalifikacio turnirSi

miwveviT gamoixateba _ saberZneTi, xorvatia,

ruseTi, kanada, irani, yazaxeTi, montenegro,

germania, brazilia, holandia, rumineTi,

afrikis erT-erTi gundi, romlis vinaobac

mogvianebiT gairkveva da saqarTvelo.

20-26 marts holandiis qalaq roterdamSi

swored es 12 nakrebi Seecileba erTmaneTs

iaponiis dedaqalaqSi gasamgzarvebel sagzurebs.

saerTaSoriso federacias zusti raodenoba

jer ar daudgenia, magram is ki cnobilia,

rom turnirze 3 an 4 licenzia ganawildeba.

jgufuri etapis wilisyra 20 Tebervals

gaimarTeba da saqarTvelos nakrebis

metoqeebic maSin gairkveva. aseve dazustdeba

turniris formatic.

fexburTSi, kalaTburTSi, xelburTSi,

frenburTSi da igive wyalburTSic, qarTul

olimpiur yulabaSi oqro-vercxli ki Cxrialebs,

magram es yvelaferi sabWoTa period-

Si xdeboda. xolo damoukidebel saqarTvelos

olimpiadebze araTu medali, plaJis

frenburTsa da naturalizebul holandiel

sportsmenebs Tu ar CavTvliT, gundur

saxeobaSi arasodes uasparezia...

am gogonam 21 wlis asakSi avstraliis Ria

pirveloba moigo, Tumca am vunderkindisgan

msgavs triumfs adrec elodnen. amadac adareben

leonardo di kaprios, vinc 41 wlis asakamde

eloda nanatr „oskars”.

21 weliwadi bevri ar aris, magram sofia keninma

mainc daigviana. es rom aRviqvaT, mis cxovrebas

unda gadavavloT Tvali.

moskovelma mSoblebma, romlebic niu-iork-

Si 1987 wels gadacxovrdnen, yvelaferi gaiRes

gogonasTvis. mama avtoservisSi muSaobda, deda

_ meddad, 5 wlis gogonas ki ukve piradi saiti

Seuqmnes. swored maSin ipova riki makkim, visac

maria Sarapova da endi rodiki gauzrdia.

patara sofia aSS-is CogburTis asociaciis

Jurnalis garekanze moxvda, gadacemac miuZRvnes,

maria SarapovasTan fotoebi, ana kurnikovas

mfarvaloba, kim klaistersis ZiZoba…

valdebuli iyo, aseTi avansi gaemarTlebina.

aki Tavad riki makkim Tqva, aseTi niWieri pawuka

ar minaxavso.

16 wlisa iuniorTa Soris meore nomeri gaxda

da imave wels ufrosTa slemze hqonda debiuti.

19 wlisam top-50-Si Seabija da „rolan garosze”

serena imsxverpla.

SarSan VTA-s sami turniri moigo da oceulis

wevri gaxda.

wels ukve didi slemi da me-7 adgili reitingSi…

mere?

mere ufro CogburTis stiven sigals Sevadarebdi.

sonia idealurad axerxebs metoqis sim-

Zlavrisa da mowodebis siCqaris missave winaaRmdeg

gamoyenebas. Tu metoqe swrafia da teqnikuri,

sonia ar acdis TamaSs da pirvel nomrad

amboben, swored es istoria gax-

da ufliswulis droebiT gauCi-

narebis mizezi da manCestersac

imitom yidulobs, reputacia rom

aRidginoso. saerTod, fexburTSi

fulis xarjva karg tonad iTvle-

ba da ufliswulic ramdenjerme

SeniSnes fifas prezident jani in-

fantinosTan erTad.

Tumca aq erTi problemaa: uf-

liswuls mouwevs manCesteris

mflobeli amerikelebis, gleizerebis

ojaxis dayabuleba, romel-

ic 14 weliwadia, klubSia da bolo

sam weliwadSi 70 milion evroze

meti gamoimuSava, klubis aqciebis

flobis kvalad.

amboben, molaparakebebi male

daiwyeba da didxansac ar gastan-

so.

N3 (305) 4.02-10.02.2020 w.

sonia

iqceva…

es ukve axali yaidis CogburTia da es gogona

meSvideobas ar dasjerdeba. sonia xom maria Sarapovas

(2008) Semdeg pirvelia, visac yvelaze

srulyofili CogburTelis Sefaseba ergo.

korona ambavi

2020, mogexsenebaT, olimpiuri welia.

24 ivlisidan 9 agvistos CaTvliT

oTxwleulis umTavres sportul forumze

saasparezod aTasobiT sportsmeni

Seikribeba, Tumca maT did nawils

tokioSi gamgzavrebis ufleba jer ar

gaunaRdebiaT. ivnisis Sua ricxvebamde

rig sportis saxeobebSi salicenzio

Sejibrebaa dagegmili da aTletebmac

mTeli msofliodan swored iq

unda iyoCaRon.

amasobaSi ki ramdenime salicenzio

turniris gamarTvas safrTxe Seeqmna,

ufro sworad, ramdenime Sejibri ukve

gadaido da ramdenimec igive bedis gaziarebis

winaSea. mizezi _ koronavirusia,

romlis mTavari kerac CineTi da

qalaqi vuhania, Tumca mkvlelma virusma

mciredi doziT evropamdec CamoaRwia.

CineTis garda, virusi kidev

bevr qveyanaSi dafiqsirda da bolo

monacemebiT 200-ze meti adamianis sicocxle

Seiwira.

magaliTad, 27-29 marts, CineTis

qalaq usanma WidaobaSi aziis olimpiur

sakvalifikacio turnirs unda umaspinZlos,

magram virusis gamo, didi

albaTobiT, gauqmdeba an adgilmdebareobas

Seicvlis. „Seqmnil mdgomareobas

Tvalyurs vadevnebT. kavSirze

varT CineTis Widaobis federaciasTan

da adgilobriv xelisuflebasTan.

gadawyvetilebas uaxloesi 15 dRis

ganmavlobaSi miviRebT”, ambobs Widaobis

msoflio gaerTianebis prezidenti

nenad laloviCi.

serbi Cinovnikis TqmiT, saWiroebis

SemTxvevaSi, aziis olimpiuri sakvalifikacio

turniris maspinZlobisTvis

korea, yazaxeTi da uzbekeTi mzad arian

Caanacvlon CineTi. misive TqmiT,

Cinelma moWidaveebma Sejibrebamde

garkveuli dro karantinSi unda gaataron.

30 ianvars, amerikis samoas dedaqalaq

pago pagoSi, WidaobaSi okeaneTis

Cempionati unda dawyebuliyo, magram

iq gavrcelebuli wiTelas gamo

turniri gauqmda.

3-14 Tebervals uSualod qalaq

uhanSi, aziisa da okeaneTis mokrive-

Ta olimpiuri salicenzio turniri

iyo daniSnuli, magram Zneli misaxvedri

ar unda iyos, rom epidemiis epicentrSi

Sejibris gamarTvas aravin

dauSvebs. saerTaSoriso olimpiuri

komitetis cnobiT, Sejibri martSi iordaniis

dedaqalaq amanSi Catardeba.

mokled, virusma sportsac mZlavrad

Seutia.

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princesa da 7 juja

amirani

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kavea galeria

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maqsimaluri SekveTa _ mTeli gverdi;

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