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294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com`xelisuflebis erT jgufs samoqalaqosaqarTvelos mTavroba, ker-giorgi abaSiZeZod, premier-ministri giorgigaxaria, sixaruls eloda, magramsaqme ise wavida, rom okeanisgaRmidan kritikuli werili werilzemodis. amis miuxedavad, „ocnebis” ministrebi Tavs imSvidebenda amerikel kongresmenebs iqiT amunaTeben. ai, ma-galiTad, iusticiis ministri Tea wulukiani ambobs, rom eswerilebi gasakviria.Zneli saTqmelia, ra sazomiTzomavs iusticiis ministri demokratiisxarisxs, miT umetes ma-Sin, roca politikuri partiebisliderebisa Tu mediamflobelebiswinaaRmdeg sisxlis samarTlissaqmeebia aRZruli. swored amitom„eTnikur da konfesiur urTierTobaTacentris xelmZRvaneli”,analitikosi lela jejelava,eWvobs, rom iseTma gancxadebebma,rogorsac wulukiani dasxva „qocebi” akeTeben, qveyanaSesaZloa, samoqalaqo dapirispirebamdemiiyvanos.„ocnebis” wammzomi CarTulia”,_ acxadebs jejelava da dasZens,rom am viTarebaSi igive biZina ivaniSvilisTvisgarkveuli garantiebismicema _ arc meti, arc naklebi_ Tavad ivaniSvils SeuZlia.rogor unda misces ivaniSvil-ma sakuTar Tavs xelSeuxeblobisgarantia? _ amas winamdebare in-terviudan SeityobT. aseve gai-gebT, Tu ratom aRar aris lelajejelava irakli oqruaSvilis„gamarjvebuli saqarTvelos”wevri._ qalbatono lela, 2020 welimmarTveli partiisTvis cudaddaiwyo _ amerikeli kongresmene-bi da evropeli politikosebiwerils werilze agzavnian, Tum-ca ivaniSvilis gundi siraqlemispozas irCevs. werili, marTlac,trampma unda gamoagzavnos, rom„ocneba” viTarebis dramatulo-bas mixvdes?_ imedi ar maqvs, rom trampisgancxadeba mainc iqneba is bolowertili, rodesac „ocneba” Tavisimdgomareobis simZimes gaiazrebs,magram amerikeli kongresmenebisada senatorebis gancxadebebierT rameze mianiSnebs: „ocnebis”politikuri wammzomi CarTuliada Tavis finals uaxlovdeba.rac ufro cota dro rCeba,miT ufro cotaa Sansi, rom es finalisaxelmwifosTvis pozitiuriiyos. Tu im gancxadebebiT vimsjelebT,rac am werilebs „ocnebis”wevrebis mxridan moyva, armgonia, „ocnebas” gacnobierebulihqondes, axla ra procesSia. ise,gaugebaria, saidan movida azri,rom amerikeli kanonmdeblebiTiTqos sworad informirebulniar arian da mxolod calmxriviinformacia aqvT.„ocnebas” rogor warmoudgenia,amerikelebi daskvnas mxolodimis mixedviT akeTeben, rasac opoziciaeubneba? ra, saqarTveloSiarc aSS-s saelCoa, arc sxva amerikulisainformacio samsaxurebimuSaoben Tu saqme rogoraa? imisgamo, rom am mdgomareobidanrogorme gamovidnen, iseT gancxadebebsakeTeben, rom situaciasufro imZimeben. kobaxiZe, kuWavada beraia aSS-Si vizitiT erTiTvis win iyvnen da epistoleebiskaskadi swored am vizits moyva._ kuWavam ganacxada, dro argvqonda, amerikelebi sapirispir-oSi rom dagverwmunebina da swo-ri informacia migvewodebinao._ axla ras apireben, amerikelebisapirispiroSi rom daarwmunon,aSS-Si unda gadasaxldnen?_ aSS-Si gadasaxleba rad undaT,radgan, mgoni, Tea wuluki-anma ganacxada, saqarTvelo damo-ukidebeli saxelmwifoa da Cvenssuverenul saqmeebSi Carevis uf-leba aravis aqvs, maT Soris, arcamerikelebso. wulukianis TqmiT-ve, okeanisgaRmelebi „ocnebas” kiar tuqsaven, ubralod, rCevebsaZleven..._ ukacravad, magram qalbatonwulukians partnioroba rogorwarmoudgenia _ misgan yvelanairdaxmarebas da kontribucias undaviRebdeT, Cveni mxridan ki espartnioroba arafers iTxovs?_ xelisuflebis kidev erTiargumenti aseTia: es amerikelikongresmenebi da senatorebi „na-cionalebi” ariano..._ „ocnebam” am gancxadebebiTukve imdeni Secdoma dauSva, romTalakvaZis aSS-dan dabrunebisSemdeg reaqciebi kidev ufromZafri iqneba da urTierTobacsxva safexurze gadava!_ sxvaTa Soris, amerikelTanawili ukve strategiuli part-niorobis Sewyvetaze mianiSnebs,anu Tqvenc aseTi cudi molodi-ni gaqvT?_ ara, aseTi molodini ar maqvs.imisTvis, rom saqarTvelo misistrategiuli partniori gamxdariyo,aSS-m sakmaod didi finansuri,moraluri da aseve politikurimxardaWera gagviwia. is, rom dRessaqarTvelo aSS-is startegiulipartnioria, es Cveni ormxrivi interesia,rac aSS-is geopolitikurinteresSic Sedis. Sesabamisad,amerikelebi ukan ar daixeven dasaqarTvelosadmi, rogorc saxelmwifosadmi,cxadia, mxardaWeragagrZeldeba, magram es imas rodiniSnavs, rom „ocnebis” xelisuflebaaSS-dan rame tipis dividendskidev miiRebs._ ise, msgavsi werilebi aSS-dan2012 welsac igzavneboda, Tumca„nacmoZraobac”, „ocnebis” ms-gavsad, Tavze nacars iyrida. ho-da, Tu ivaniSvilis gundi saarCevnodpolitikur wnexs gaaormagebs,amiT xom isev qveyana dazaraldeba,anu cxovreba gausa-Zlisi gaxdeba. xalxma ra undaqnas?_ meqmneba STabeWdileba, rom„ocnebis” erT jgufs samoqalaqodapirispirebamde mihyavs saqme!_ mainc, romel jgufs?_ ai, imas, romelic im „brZnulmosazrebebs” iziarebs, romelsacTea wulukiani drodadro afrqvevsxolme, maT Soris, strategiulipartniorobisa da suverenulobisSesaxeb!_ anu viTareba iseTia, rogoricgasuli saukunis 90-ian wleb-Si iyo, roca aSS-is maSindelmaprezidentma zviad gamsaxurdi-aze Tqva, dinebis sawinaaRmdegodmicuravso da amiT samoqalaqooms, praqtikulad, mwvane aunTo?_ saqarTvelos damoukideblobisgariJraJze zviad gamsaxurdiasSemTxveva sxva Sinaarsis Semcveliiyo. dRes ki aSS-is Cven mima-lela jejelava:`miuxedavad imisa, me an romelime liderivrCebiT Tu ara partiaSi, an partiaSiarsebuli rTuli viTareba, romelic iraklioqruaSvilis dapatimrebiT Seiqmna, xels verSeuSlis saerTo opoziciur da qarTulisaxelmwifos gamarjvebas, radgan `gamarjvebulmasaqarTvelom~, xanmokle arsebobis miuxedavad,sakmaod didi kontribucia Seitana amgamarjvebaSi da es aris ori politikuripatimari - irakli oqruaSvili da koba koSaZe.politpatimrebis Tema ki is sabediswerolodia `qarTuli ocnebisTvis~, ramac masniRabi sabolood Camoxsna da CvenisaerTaSoriso partniorebisTvis amxelisuflebis realuri saxe naTeli gaxada!~`wammzomiCarTuliada òcneba~finalsuaxlovdeba!~rT interesebi Zalian mkafiodaagamoxatuli, amitom, darwmunebulivar, „ocnebas” saSualeba armiecema, rom arCevnebis gziT arwavides! „ocnebas” Zalian naTladauxsnian, rom es erTaderTi gzaa,magram Tuki „ocneba” Cveni partniorebisam mosazrebas mainc argaiziarebs, anu xalxs dapirebulproporciul arCevnebs ar miscemsda politikuri niSniT adamianebisdevnas ar Sewyvets, maSin CemieWvi samoqalaqo dapirispirebazeSesaZloa, gamarTldes. ise, mervewelia, „ocneba” xelisuflebaSiada am xnis ganmavlobaSi sainteresoa,ratom ver moaxerxa, romstrategiul partniors swori informaciamiawodos?_ am ritorikul kiTxvaze romgipasuxoT, minimum, „qoci” undaviyo, magram mainc ver gavige,samoqalaqo dapirispirebis sa-frTxes ratom xedavT?_ Tu „ocnebam” danapirebi arSeasrula da xalxs proporciuliarCevnebi ar daubruna, „ocneba”ver gaimarjvebs, rasac mis mierveCatarebuli konfidencialuri kvlevebicaCvenebs. mokled, sazogadoebagayalbebul arCevnebs armiiRebs da procesebi rogoriscenariT ganviTardeba?_ ar mgonia, rom arCevnebisgayalbebis SemTxvevaSi saqme samoqalaqoomamde mivides, radganmeore mxares „nacionalurimoZraobaa”, romlis xelisufle-baSi dabrunebac mosaxleobisumetesobas ar unda. yovel SemT-xvevaSi, „miSa mova” isev muSaobs._ iciT, rogoraa? _ kvlevebisSedegebs Tavi rom davaneboT, mixeilsaakaSvils, am etapze, biZinaivaniSvilTan SedarebiT upiratesobasaqvs._ ratom?_ sazogadoebis nawili saakaSvilsver itans, nawili ki _ ivaniSvils,Tumca saakaSvils, ivaniSvilisgangansxvavebiT, realurimomxreebi hyavs. ai, swored es arismniSvnelovani._ anu quCaSi miSas realurimomxreebi gamovlen?_ mxolod miSas momxreebi kiara, yvela adamiani, romelicCaTvlis, rom arasamarTlianiarCevnebi Catarda, quCaSi gamova._ davuSvaT, asea, magram qal-batono lela, ar dagaviwydeT,rom ivaniSvils Zalian didi fuliaqvs. bolos da bolos, „ocnebam”irakli oqruaSvilis mego-bris, mixeil qarelis gadabirebamoaxerxa da robaqiZis saqmeSiqareli oqruaSvilis winaaRmdeg,rogorc gairkva, „oqros mowmea”._ oqruaSvilisa da qarelis megobrobisdetalebSi ver Seval.maT Soris, rogorc vici, garkveuliukmayofileba arsebobda dayvelaferi es qarelisgan primiti-1616 N3 (305) 4.02-10.02.2020 w.
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.comdapirispirebamde mihyavs saqme!~uli da cota arakacuri SurisZiebamgonia. saerTod, Cvenebismicema nebismieris winaaRmdeg Sei-Zleba, magram es arafers hgavs._ SeiZleba, magram qarelisSemTxveva ganvazogadoT, miTumetes, rom zurabiSvilis arC-evnebis magaliTi win gvaqvs, anuwlevandel saparlamento arCe-vnebzec „ocneba” xaxvsa Tukartofils daarigebs da gamar-jvebas gaiformebs!_ sruli pasuxismgeblobiTgeubnebiT: am xalxs kartofilida 50 Tu asi 100 lari veRar gaaCerebs!ise, saimisod, rom yvelaferies Tavidan aviridoT,Zalian kargi recepti arsebobs._ saxeldobr?_ „ocneba” Secdomas yvela fexisnabijze uSvebs. Tuki am Secdomebiskvaldakval aSS-is poziciagamkacrdeba da sanqciebamdemivalT, razedac saubari ukve midis,maSin qarTveli xalxiarCevnebs arCevnebamde moigebs!_ arCevnebis mosagebad opo-ziciis erTianobac aucilebelia.marTalia, „gamarjvebuli saqa-rTvelo” sakoordinacio sabWosmuSaobaSi aqtiurad araa CarTu-li, magram, qalbatono lela,Tqven, rogorc gare damkvirvebe-li, gamoricxavT, rom opoziciisromelime frTa xelisufle-basTan molaparakebaze wavides?_ amqvenad gamoricxuli araferia,magram Tu sakiTxs pragmatuladmivudgebiT, aseTi ram dRevandeliopoziciis warmomadgenlebsar unda awyobdeT!_ ratom?_ im saerTaSoriso fonze, racam xelisuflebis garSemoa Seqmnili,romeli WkuaTmyofeli opoziciuripartia gaTvlis da daTvlis,rom „ocnebasTan” urTier-Toba misTvis momgebiani iqneba?!_ dawyvileba iqiT iyos da xomSeiZleba, opoziciis romelimefrTasa da „ocnebas” Soris gari-geba xelisuflebis gadabarebazeimis sanacvlod moxdes, romivaniSvilis mTavrobis wevrebmagarantiebi miiRon?_ ivaniSvilisTvis an misi mTavrobisTvisgarantiebis micema, mxolodda mxolod, ivaniSvils Seu-Zlia._ es rogor?_ anu es garantiebi mxolodimaze iqneba damokidebuli, saer-TaSoriso Tanamegobrobis, Cvenipartniorebisa da qarTuli sazogadoebisnebas dahyvebian Tuara. im SemTxvevaSi, Tu winasaarCevnodviTareba normalur kalapotsdaubrundeba, yvelaferi,rasakvirvelia, qarTuli saxelmwifosgamarjvebiT dasruldebada ivaniSvilis garantiebic sworedamaSi iqneba Cadebuli. axlaiseTi fonia, rom situaciis eskalaciaopoziciis interesebSi arSedis, radgan misi seriozulimokavSire, qarTuli sazogadoebisudidesi nawilis garda, dasavleTicaa,anu opoziciuri partiebi,sazogadoeba da saerTaSorisopartniorebi erT azrze arian._ diax, asea, magram, qalbatonolela, xandaxan mgonia, rom „oc-neba” sakuTari cudi saqmeebisCafarcxvas cdilobs. ai, magali-Tad, maCalikaSvilis saqmeze specrazmeliswinaaRmdeg saqme Sewyda;daTuna saraliZis mkvlelo-ba ki konkretulma pirovnebamaRiara ara da masTan saproceso gaf-ormda, anu yvelaferi es imisTvisxom ar keTdeba, rom xelisuflebisSecvlis Semdeg dRevandeligavleniani maRalCinosneb-is pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxi aRardadges da am saqmeebis xelaxaligamoZiebis SemTxvevaSi wvrilfex-obaze gadatydes joxi?_ rogorc saraliZisa da maCalikaSvilissaqmeebi ganviTarda anrogorc axla midis procesigiorgi ruruas, irakli oqruaSvi-N3 (305) 4.02-10.02.2020 w.`sazogadoebis nawili saakaSvils ver itans, nawili ki _ ivaniSvils, TumcasaakaSvils, ivaniSvilisgan gansxvavebiT, realuri momxreebi hyavs~lis, nika meliasa Tu nika gvaramiasgarSemo, samarTlebrivadrogor unda „gasufTavdes”? sxva-Ta Soris, Tavis droze, girgvlianisambavi wvrilfexobas dabralda,magram mas Semdeg, rac xelisuflebaSeicvala, vano merabiSvilicixeSi xom Cajda?_ diax, Cajda, magram wina xe-lisuflebidan gisosebs miRmasul ori adamiani _ merabiSvilida baCo axalaia aRmoCnda._ daTa axalaiasac misjili aqvsda soso TofuriZesac. ubralod,gaqceulebi arian da merve welia,qveyanaSi ver Semodian. es xalxiwvrilfexoba ar iyo. sxvaTa Soris,sruliad gaurkveveli da ab-ìmisTvis, rom saqarTvelo misi strategiulipartniori gamxdariyo, aSS-m sakmaod didifinansuri, moraluri da aseve politikurimxardaWera gagviwia. is, rom dRes saqarTveloaSS-is startegiuli partnioria, es Cveniormxrivi interesia, rac aSS-is geopolitikurinteresSic Sedis. Sesabamisad, amerikelebiukan ar daixeven da saqarTvelosadmi,rogorc saxelmwifosadmi, cxadia, mxardaWeragagrZeldeba, magram es imas rodi niSnavs, romòcnebis~ xelisufleba aSS-dan rame tipisdividends kidev miiRebs~surduli, magram ganaCeni mixeilsaakaSvilzecaa damdgari. aqedangamomdinare, gamonaklisi es xelisuflebaratom unda iyos?_ cxadia, ar unda iyos, TumcaTu gaxsovT, ramdenime Tvis win„evropuli saqarTvelo” gamovi-da iniciativiT, xelisuflebisSecvlis Semdeg Tanamdebobis yo-fili pirebis pasuxismgeblobissakiTxi aRar dadgeso da am Te-maze „nacionalur moZraobas” memorandumisgaformebac SesTava-za. swored aman gaaCina eWvi, romopoziciis nawilsa da „ocnebas”Soris SesaZloa, faruli garige-ba arsebobdes._ yvelaferi es SesaZlebelia,magram amgvari tipis pasuxismgeblobassakuTar Tavze mxoloderTi opoziciuri partia veraiRebs. jerjerobiT ver vxedaviniciativas, rom am wamowyebassxva opoziciuri partiebic SeuerTdnen.sxvaTa Soris, roca aminiciativiT gamovida, giga bokeriazesaqme aRZruli jer kidev ariyo._ bokeriaze 2013 wels aRiZrasaqme. ubralod, msvleloba ar mis-cemia da Tarodan axla CamoiRes._ diax, Tqvens SeniSvnas viziareb.mokled, ar var darwmunebuli,am Temaze giga bokeriasigive azri hqondes!_ qalbatono lela, saubarsise ver movrCebiT, Tu iraklioqruaSvilsac ar SevexeT: adrecmiTqvams, rom, Cemi azriT, „gama-rjvebuli saqarTvelos” liderimxolod xelisuflebam ki ara,opoziciamac gawira. amasobaSi kioqruaSvilis partiac, praqtiku-lad, daiSala _ gubaz sanikiZe davaleri gelbaxiani damoukidebladmoqmedeben. am partiis sax-eliT arc Tqven aqtiurobT..._ partiis wevri ar var da arcvyofilvar._ arada, oqruaSvilis gverdiTideqiT._ diax, magram me mxolodmoZraobis damfuZnebeli viyavi dapartiis yrilobaSi monawileobacar mimiRia._ ra moxda, gundi ratom daiS-ala?_ is, rac SigniT moxda, gareTZalian kargad Cans, anu partiiserT-erTi lideri, irakli oqruaSvili,moZraobis dafuZnebidanzustad Tve-naxevris Semdeg cixeSiaRmoCnda da dRemde patimaria.partiis wevrebi, mgoni, yovelmeore dRes irakli oqruaSvilisada koba koSaZis sasamarTlo procesebzedadian, anu erTi partiidanTve-naxevarSi ori adamianidaiWires. im dros partia, romelicliderisa da finansuri resursisgareSea darCenili, im amocanebs,romelic moZraobis dafuZnebisdros hqonda, ZalianZnelad miaRwevs!_ da es ra amocanebi iyo?_ moZraoba „gamarjvebulisaqarTvelos” dafuZnebisTanavevambobdi, Cveni moZraoba ar gulisxmobserTi partiis gamarjvebas,es moZraoba qarTveli xalxis gamarjvebisTvisiqmneba-meTqi. amaSiyvelas Tavisi funqcia hqonda,erT-erTi RerZi ki, ra Tqma unda,irakli oqruaSvili iyo, romelsacpartiis normaluri funqcionirebisTvisfinansuri Tu struqturuliTvalsazrisiT unda Seewyoxeli. samwuxarod, es ar gamovida,Tumca erTi partiis gamarjvebaan argamarjveba im suraTs,romelic opoziciur erTobaSia,ar cvlis. am erTobaSi ki partiiswevrebi, igive kote kemularia da,ramdenadac vici, guram CalagaSvilic,monawileoben.mokled, miuxedavad imisa, me anromelime lideri vrCebiT Tu arapartiaSi, an partiaSi arsebulirTuli viTareba, romelic iraklioqruaSvilis dapatimrebiTSeiqmna, xels ver SeuSlis saerToopoziciur da qarTuli saxelmwifosgamarjvebas, radgan „gamarjvebulmasaqarTvelom”, xanmoklearsebobis miuxedavad, sakmaoddidi kontribucia Seitana am gamarjvebaSida es aris ori politikuripatimari _ irakli oqruaSvilida koba koSaZe. politpatimrebisTema ki is sabediswerolodia „qarTuli ocnebisTvis”,ramac mas niRabi sabolood Camoxsnada Cveni saerTaSoriso partniorebisTvisam xelisuflebisrealuri saxe naTeli gaxada!_ e. i., qalbatono lela, oqru-aSvilis politikur gundTanTqveni gaigiveba ukve aRar Sei-Zleba?_ diax, asea._ aRarc moZraoba „gamarjve-buli saqarTvelos” wevri xarT?_ moZraobis damfuZnebeli var,wevri _ ara. weRandeli Tqmisa ariyos, viTareba irakli oqruaSvilisdapatimrebis Semdeg ZalianSeicvala._ opoziciis e. w. mrgval magidaSipirovnulad xom ar monaw-ileobT?_ ara. jer damkvirveblis rolimaqvs _ opozicias vuyureb.garkveuli tipis diskusiebSi vmonawileob,Tumca sajarod _ ara.dro jer kidev aris, rom gadawyvetilebamiviRo. erTi sityviT,politikur procesebSi CarTulivar, magram es imas ar niSnavs, romam wuTas Cemi afilireba romelimepartiasTan SeiZleba!17
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