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kalaZem daukveTa~
`susis ufrosi roca iyo, sasaxle
wamoWima da es gavasajarove. es
sasaxle naTesavebis saxelze
hqonda gaformebuli. erT-erTi
telekompaniis JurnalistebTan
erTad davadgineT, rom es
ZviradRirebuli sasaxle misi iyo.
amis Sesaxeb gomelauri,
bunebrivia, informirebulia. ar
mikvirs, gomelaurma am
Zaladobas mwvane rom aunTo~
vaZvrevine. yvelam icis, rom am kacma
biujetidan aseulobiT milioni
lari miiTvisa da raRac periodi
qveynidanac ki iyo gaqceuli,
germaniaSi imaleboda. ramdenime
adamianma, maT Soris, Semosavlebis
samsaxuris ufrosma, mis
winaaRmdeg Cveneba misca. mokled
rom giTxraT, Zalian vawuxeb korumpirebul
Cinosnebs da Cemi dasja
gadawyvites saCveneblad. pirvel
dReebSi amayad ambobdnen, xabeiSvili
vcemeT, wavuTaqeT, „mivaCmoreTo”.
amas uaryofiTi reaqcia
mohyva xalxSi. arc me gavCerdi da
mixvdnen, rom iolad dasaCagri
adamiani ar var. roca simarTle
Sens mxaresaa, iolad veravin dag-
Cagravs. maTgan gansxvavebiT vaJkacobac
maqvs da Rirsebac. arc zogierTiviT
davmalulvar.
_ damalva ki ara, ufro gamwarebulma
daiwyeT xelisufleb-
is mxileba.
_ am Tavdasxmis Semdeg brZolis
survili kidev ufro gamiZlierda.
ki amayobdnen, xabeiSvils TavSi
wamovartyiTo, magram TavSi wamortymulebi
Tavad darCnen. dedas
geficebi, Tu ar mecodebodnen es
ubedurebi, maT Soris, zarquac.
_ ra sWirT magaT Sesacodi?
_ rogor ar arian codoebi.
erTjeradi qaRaldis xelsaxociviT
gamoiyena isini kalaZem. es sami
_ SurRaia, xujaZe da cincaZe pirdapiri
mniSvnelobiT gaaubedura.
_ ranairad gaaubedura?
_ gaubedureba ar aris, aba, raa,
jgufuri Zaladobis muxliT aqvT
brali wardgenili.
_ nanoben, viTom, amas?
_ rogor ar nanoben. pirdapir
kriminalebad arian gamocxadebuli
da kacma ar icis, ra ganaCeni
dadgeba.
_ ise, marTla gamikvirda, am
sams rom wauyenes brali Tqvenze
Tavdasxmis gamo. marTla ar gami-
kvirdeboda, zarquas msgavsad
maTi cemac TqvenTvis rom dae-
bralebinaT.
_ imdenad aSkara iyo yvelaferi,
rom ase ar gamovidoda. iZulebuli
gaxdnen, maTTvis brali waredginaT.
rac Seexeba zarquas, mas kaxa
kalaZe yvelaze daundoblad moeqca.
jer ra politikuri momavali
hqonda da es mwiri momavalic dausamara.
ramdenime dRe kaci eTereb-
Si baqibuqobda da Cemi cemiT Tavs
iwonebda. ori dRis Semdeg Tqva,
xabeiSvili Tavs damesxa, damalurjao.
yba mtkiva da Tavio, grimiT
davmale, Torem magari nabegvi
viyavio.
_ gulwrfelad gviTxariT,
marTla ar gicemiaT?
_ gulwrfelad getyviT, ar micemia.
ekuTvnoda, magram ar micemia.
„qarTuli ocnebis” wevrebis
alyaSi viyavi da ranairad unda
mecema zarqua? warmoudgenel ambebs
yveba.
_ mosamarTlem ratom daijera
misi?
_ ar daujerebia. sasamarTlom
mxolod aRmkveTze imsjela. zarquas
jer marto policiisTvis aqvs
Cveneba micemuli. male mouwevs
sasamarTloze mosvla da iq amtkicos,
rogor gavartyvi da rogor
etkina loya. me muStebis qneviT ar
gamovirCevi. amaSi Tqveni mkiTxvelic
damerwmuneba. erTaderTi,
rasac viqnev sakrebulosa da
eTerebSi, aris dokumentebi.
_ es dokumentebi xSirad
muStze ufro mtkivneulia.
_ es marTalia. muStebs ar
viqnev, magram sakmaod mkvaxe gancxadebebs
vakeTeb. amas arc momaval-
Si moviSli. im Cinovnikebs namdvilad
ver moveferebi, vinc xalxs
N3 (305) 4.02-10.02.2020 w.
Zarcvavs. ise gaZarcves xalxi,
gazeTis fuli ar dautoves, rom
raRac waikiTxon.
_ gazeTis fuls vin Civis,
xalxs puris sayideli fuli aRar
aqvs.
_ miT umetes, aseT adamianebs
rogor unda movefero? pirdapiri
mniSvnelobiT yelSi vyavar gaCxerili.
amitomac moxda is, rac moxda.
amiT me araferi damikargavs. is
sami kriminalebad gamocxadda,
zarquas ki politikuri kariera
daengra.
_ ratom fiqrobT, rom daengra?
ramdenadac CvenTvis cno-
bilia, mas kaxa kalaZe dahpirda,
rom „ocnebis” siaSi Casvams. Sei-
Zleba, sasacilod mogeCvenoT,
magram is darwmunebulia, rom
momaval parlamentSi erT-erTi
vice-spikeris posts daikavebs.
_ Zalian saintereso iqneba misi
xilva vice-spikerad. gulwrfelad
geubnebiT, mxolod mivesalmebi,
`am sakiTxze am dReebSi vesaubre sakrebulos
Tavmjdomare giorgi tyemalaZes. ver
warmomidgenia, rogor unda gadauxado TveSi
196 lari im qals, romelic, sul mcire, 10
welia, Sens kabinets alagebs. es tyemalaZe
xom sakrebuloSi daibada da gaizarda.
`nacionalebis~ drodan iq zis. axla Cvenken
rom iSvers xels, misgan erTi sityva ar
gamigia `nacionalebis~ sawinaaRmdegod
Tqmuli. damlageblebma araerTxel mimarTes
daxmarebisTvis tyemalaZes, magram iman
araferi gaakeTa. damlageblebs ver mougvara
problema da aman Tbiliss ra unda
gaukeTos? axla unamusod amboben, kanoni ar
gvaZlevs SesaZleblobas, damlageblebs
xelfasi gavuzardoTo~
Tu irakli zarqua „qarTuli ocnebis”
saxe iqneba. es xalxs kidev
ufro naTlad daanaxvebs, Tu ras
warmoadgens dRevandeli xelisufleba.
jer isedac martivia amis
mixvedra, magram zarquas mere mTlad
gaSiSvldebian. Tqveni gazeTis
saSualebiT „ocnebis” liderebs
mivmarTav, rom zarqua „ocnebis”
siaSi Casvan. kargi iqneba, Tu pirvel
aTeulSi Caweren, radgan met
deputats egeni parlamentSi veRar
gaiyvanen.
_ ise, eg faqtobrivad deputati
gaxda, magram rogorc amboben,
mtarvalma gaxariam aTqmev-
ina uari parlamentis wevrobaze...
_ „ocnebidan” ramdenime deputatma
parlamenti datova da siis
mixedviT amas uwevda Sesvla, magram
Sida dapirispirebis gamo
uari aTqmevines. eseni xom patara
kacebi arian. Cemze erT-erT Tavdamsxmels
Jurnalistebma hkiTxes,
_ sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebas
Tu gaasaCivrebTo? aman upasuxa,
_ gundTan konsultaciebs gavivli
da mere miviReb gadawyvetilebaso.
Tavisufali adamianebi ase
ar laparakoben. eseni kidev monebi
arian da iseT gancxadebebs akeTeben,
rogoric monas Seefereba.
monebi valdebulebi arian, Seasrulon
is, rasac maTi batoni
daavalebs. axlac Seasrules, magram
jildo ver miiRes. monaTmflobelma
isini gawira. imedi
maqvs, amaze kargad dafiqrdebian
Tavadac da maTi ojaxis wevrebic.
Zalian cudad moeqca maT kaxi kalaZe.
faqtobrivad, kacis saxeli waarTva.
adamianze jgufur Tavdasxmas
aravin gaamarTlebs, maT Soris,
arc kriminalebi. aqamde marto me
vaginebdi magaT, axla mTeli qveyana
aginebs. gineba rom vTqvi, pirdapiri
mniSvnelobiT gineba ar migulisxmia.
amdeni welia, micnob da
Cemgan ucenzuro sityva ar gagigonia.
Tu vinme aris uzrdeli, es
dedaqalaqis meri kaxa kalaZea. man
mTel opozicias gviTxra, mTawmindidan
gamoeqaneTo. farCakebic
gveZaxa.
_ „ocnebis” wevrebs Tqvenc
moixseniebT farCakebad.
_ roca am sityvas vxmarob, win
yovelTvis davurTav xolme Semdegs,
_ rogorc Tqvenma merma Tqva.
sakrebuloSi pirvelad rom movida,
egreve damipirispirda da
miTxra, naZvis xeze dagkidebo. me
veraferi damaklo, magram Tanagundelebi
ki Cayara mZime mdgomareobaSi.
pirvel dReebSi ibriqebodnen,
qarTvelebi varT da ver moviTmineT
piradi Seuracxyofa da
wavuTaqeTo.
_ Cavazusteb, Tqveni nebar-
TviT, lamazad wavuTaqeTo, ase
Tqva zaqruam.
_ egre iyo. Tavs iwonebdnen,
qarTveli vaJkacebi varTo, axla
roca gamoZieba daiwyo, amboben,
Cven ra SuaSi varT, Tavad waiqca
da skami zed daecao. mkiTxvelTan
bodiSi momiTxovia da imis erTi
adgilic ar aqvT, rom Cadenili
aRiaron, Tavidan bolomde gaaSiSvla
kalaZem. wera-kiTxva magaT ar
ician da meeWveba, es interviu waikiTxon,
magram viRac maTiani xom
waikiTxavs da imaT gasagonad vityvi,
_ vwuxvar, rom ase gaubedurda
es axalgazrda xalxi.
_ marTla wuxxarT?
_ vwuxvar. gansakuTrebiT zarquas
gamo vwuxvar, romelsac
Zalian mZime misia daakisres. kacs
aTqmevines, xabeiSvilma rom damJe-
Ja, tkivili ganvicadeo. es kacis-
Tvis Zalian mZime saTqmelia. arada,
manamde ZvelbiWobda, xabeiSvils
policiaSi pasta da furceli
ver gaagdebineso. sakrebulos
Tavmjdomaris moadgile qurduli
mentalobiT rom daiwyebs gamosvlas,
eg araferSi weria.
_ Tqven xom ambobdiT, Cvenebas
ar mivcemo?
_ vTqvi, rom sagamoZiebo uwyebebs
ar mivmarTav, oRond ara imitom,
rom zarquas gagebis var da
kanonmorCili ar var. Cvenebis
micemaze uari vTqvi, radganac
gamoZiebas ar vendobi.
_ amis miuxedavad, mainc mogi-
wiaT Cvenebis micema.
_ es maT damibares dakiTxvaze
da rogorc kanonmorCli moqalaqe
mivedi, rac Tbilisis sakrebulos
Tavmjdomaris moadgilis gagebiT
danaSauli yofila. am zarquam Tu
marTla tkivili ganicada, ratom
ar mimarTa policias, kai biWia Tu
ra xdeba? Zalian bevrs ibriqeboda,
magram mere aRalatebines principebisTvis
da Cveneba miacemines.
moayoles, ra sastikad da daundoblad
gavuswordi. sakrebulos
Tavmjdomaris moadgiles amas ar
aTqmevinebdnen da arc im samis
winaaRmdeg aRZravdnen saqmes, magram
yvelaferi ise ar wavida, rogorc
maT surdaT. rogorc araerTxel
giTxariT, „ocnebis” wevrebs
undodaT, rom provokaciaze
wamovgebuliyavi da pirvels me
damertya xeli. am SemTxvevaSi Tavs
gaimarTlebdnen da ityodnen,
pirvelad is Segvexo xeliT da aba,
ra gveqnao? me ar davartyi da ise
mouwiaT Tavdasxma. gamoCndnen arakacebi.
samarTlebrivadac da politikuradac
problemebi SeeqmnaT.
moralurad, samarTlebrivad
da kacurad waages, axla amtkiceben,
rom me gavigde egeni wixlqveS.
bevri ifiqres da gadawyvites, rom
am saqmidan Cemi sufTad gamosvla
ar iqneboda. arada, RmerTi, rjuli
amaTTan marTali var, magram
mTlad Cemi gamarTleba „ocnebis”
kanonSi ar weria. amitom gadawyda,
rom Cem winaaRmdegac aRZruliyo
saqme da daajRabnines zarquas
cru da samarcxvino Cveneba, romlis
mixedviTac me mas araqristianulad
moveqeci.
_ ise, sakmaod iafi dagijdaT
es araqristianuli qceva. proku-
raturam 2000-lariani girao
moiTxova, im sameuls ki 5000 gi-
rao Seufardes.
_ Zviri namdvilad ar damijda.
„ocnebaSic” xvdebian, Tu ras warmoadgens
irakli zarqua da is mxolod
2000-ad Seafases. Cemze Tavdasxmis
gamo 15.000 laris gadaxda
mouwevs „ocnebis” 3 deputats. e. i.
mmarTveli partiis TvalSi me Svidjer
ufro Zviri vRirvar, vidre
maTi erT-erTi saxe.
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