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sisxlis samarTlebrivi devna daiwyos?!
giTxraT, gamikvirda, radgan umaRlesi
saeklesio sasjeli marTlmadideblobis
CamorTmevasa
da anaTemaze gadacemas niSnavs.
maxsovs, SabaTi dRe iyo. Jurnalistebma
Cem Tvalwin darekes da
ikiTxes, _ ramiSvilisTvis umaRlesi
sasjelis dadebas apirebdiT
Tu arao? upasuxes, _ ki, eg sakiTxi
idga, magram erT-erTi meufis
rCeviT, am etapze, Tavi Sevikave-
To. es pasuxi Cemi yuriT movismine
da gakvirvebuli davrCi!
_ batono mixeil, eklesia an-
aTemaze Tqven gadacemas rodis
apirebda?
_ ai, roca „cianidis saqmis”
winaswari gamoZieba mimdinareobda.
_ maSin gasagebia, magram de-
kanozi ukve msjavrdebulia, anu
gamoZieba dasrulebulia da
Tqven safrTxes ratomRa war-
moadgenT?
_ sazogadoebisTvis yvelaferi
cnobili ar aris da maT aqvT berketi,
rom maT mier gavrcelebulma
informaciam xalxze, garkveulwilad,
imoqmedos. ai, magaliTad,
Tavis droze, 8 marts, anu sinodis
sxdomis wina dRes, prokuraturam
daCexili videokadrebi
specialurad gaavrcela, raTa mxolod
sazogadoebaze ki ara, wminda
sinodis wevrebzec garkveuli
zegavlena moexdina. xalxs kiTxvis
niSnebi axlac aqvs, rac ar awyobT,
anu magaTi damsaxurebiT,
eklesiis avtoriteti isedac Seryeulia.
umjobesia, es gaugebroba
ki ara, Sida samzareulo da sibin-
Zure Tavad daalagon, magram Sida
da gare mtrebi eklesias mizanmimarTulad
angreven!
_ gare mteri gasagebia, rom
ruseTia, magram „Sida mterSi” vis
gulisxmobT, mixeil batono? aqve
gkiTxavT: is saero pirebi, rom-
lebic Tqven gebrZvian, moqmedi
maRalCinosnebi arian Tu yo-
filebi?
_ am adamianebs gavlena aqvT.
iciT, ra xdeba? _ CemTvis yvelaze
gulsatkeni isaa, rom saeklesio
cxovreba lamis sajaro da
sabiujeto samsaxuri gaxda!
_ anu?
_ kargi mRvdlebi RmerTma
gvimravlos, magram garkveul mRvdelmTavrebTan
kontaqti mqonda,
Tumca urTierToba saerTod
gawyvites.
_ visze ambobT?
_ andria iqneba Tu Sio... andria
jaRmaiZe ki pirdapir ambobs, rom
TiTqos eklesiis mtrebi varT.
swored egeni warmoadgenen im
Zalas, romelic gare mtrebis moqmedebas
xels uwyoben.
_ batono mixeil, yvelafers
Tavisi saxeli davarqvaT da pir-
dapir vTqvaT: dekanozi mamalaZe
meufe dimitrimac xom ar gawira?
_ ra Tqma unda, gawira.
_ anu meufe sakuTar tyavs
gaufrTxilda?
_ naTqvamia, jer Tavo da Tavo
da mere _ sxvao, Torem roca sulieri
mama xar, ar SeiZleba, erT
wuTas erTs ambobde, meore wuTas
_ meores. Sen mier arCeuli cxovrebis
gzidan gamomdinare gevaleba,
rom rac unda mware da
`sapatriarqoSi arsebul daZabulobas sxva kanonmdeblobiT ver daaregulireb,
Torem isedac naTelia da iTqva kidec, rom dekanozi Sorena TeTruaSvilisa da
iakobis patimaria!~
mtkivneuli iyos, mxolod da mxolod
simarTle Tqva, magram amaT
yvelanairi SegrZneba dakarguli
aqvT da, diax, dekanozi gawires!
sxvaTa Soris, Zalian didi
mcdelobebi iyo da amas viRacisgan
gagonils ar geubnebiT.
_ ras gulisxmobT?
_ jer dekanozis Zmis, TornikesTan
mimarTebiT iyo... mere andria
jaRmaiZe cdilobda, rom
dekanozs gancxadeba daewera, _
Sorena, iakobi da, saerTod, sapatriarqodan
aravinaa SuaSio, magram
es gancxadeba ki ara, aRiareba
iqneboda. mere mec Semxvda da
andria meubneboda, Tu amas gaakeTebs,
mere Cven prezidentTan
vuSuamdgomlebTo, magram gamikvirda
da vuTxari, _ ra sisuleles
meubnebi, es aRiareba iqneba da
amis Semdeg ityviT, ai, xom aRiare
da axla oxanaSvils daade xelio.
Tavidan swored amas sTxovdnen.
mokled, am e. w. gancxadebis Semdeg
etyodnen, ai, Sen xom aRiare
da prezidentTan rekomendacias
veRar gagikeTebTo. sxvaTa Soris,
andrias sionSi rom Sevxvdi, Sendobis
dRe iyo... andria jaRmaiZe,
Tu kurTxeva ar aqvs, Tavisi iniciativiT,
mgoni, arc loculobs!
erTi sityviT, rac daavales, imaze
melaparaka da Sesabamisi pasuxic
miiRo!
_ batono mixeil, mgoni, aravis
sjera, rom dekanozi vinmes mowam
amvlas gegmavda, magram mTel am
ambavSi erTi kiTxvis niSania, anu
patriarqi samkurnalod karga
xnis wasuli iyo, giorgi mamal-
aZem germaniaSi wasvla ratom
gadawyvita?
_ am kiTxvaze pasuxi Zalian
martivia, anu patriarqs aseTi
wesi hqonia _ roca ucxoeTSi midis,
yovelTvis Tan miaqvs eklesiaSi
Camosxmuli saukeTeso Rvino,
magram radgan maSin germania-
Si gadayvana saswrafod moxda,
Rvino ver waiRo da dekanozs
sTxoves, ori yuTi Rvino Caetana.
amas garda, dacvis biWebi finansurad
uzrunvelyofilebi ar iyvnen
da daxmareba sTxoves. dekanozma
krediti swored amitom aiRo.
_ SeiZleba, dacvis biWebma finansuri
daxmareba sTxoves, ma-
`Tavis droze, 8 marts, anu sinodis sxdomis
wina dRes, prokuraturam daCexili
videokadrebi specialurad gaavrcela, raTa
mxolod sazogadoebaze ki ara, wminda sinodis
wevrebzec garkveuli zegavlena moexdina. xalxs
kiTxvis niSnebi axlac aqvs, rac ar awyobT, anu
magaTi damsaxurebiT, eklesiis avtoriteti
isedac Seryeulia. umjobesia, es gaugebroba ki
ara, Sida samzareulo da sibinZure Tavad
daalagon, magram Sida da gare mtrebi
eklesias mizanmimarTulad angreven!~
gram 21-e saukunea da dekanozs
SeeZlo, eZlo, germaniaSi ki ar wasuli-
yo, aramed fuli gadaericxa.
_ gasagebia, magram wasvla mainc
uwevda _ Rvinos fostiT xom ar
gaagzavnida? amas Tavi rom davaneboT,
dekanozi sapatriarqos
klinikis direqtori iyo da protokoliT
evaleboda, rom iq, germaniaSi
yofiliyo.
_ Tu protokoliT evaleboda,
dekanozi germaniaSi patri-
arqTan erTad ratom ar wavida?
_ Tavidan yvela ar wayva. iakobi
da igive Teodorec mere Cavidnen
_ xom giTxariT, rom patriarqis
germaniaSi gadayvana dauyovnebliv
moxda da yvela xom ver
gaiqceoda, saqmeebi aqac xom hqondaT?
_ ise, am sami wlis dinamika
gvaCvenebs, rom dekanozis saqme
periodulad aqtiurdeba. amis
mizezi politikuri koniunqtura
xom araa?
_ cxovrebiseuli politikac
arsebobs da partiulic, magram am
saqmes verasodes veraferi gadafaravs!
_ geTanxmebiT, magram „ciani-
dis saqmeze” mudmiv pedalirebas
arc opozicia akeTebs. arada, Tu
usamarTlobazea saubari, igive
saerTaSoriso asparezze, viqrob,
swored dekanozis qeisis wamoweva
da imaze pedalireba unda xdebodes,
rom dekanozi politpati-
maria. vcdebi?
_ mesmis, magram iciT, samarTlebrivad
rogori situaciaa?
_ rogori?
_ sxvebi saero pirebi arian. am
SemTxvevaSi ki saqme sxva ramesTan
gvaqvs.
_ rasTan?
_ es garkveuli saxis Suri da
mtrobaa. sapatriarqoSi arsebul
daZabulobas sxva kanonmdeblobiT
ver daaregulireb, Torem
isedac naTelia da iTqva kidec,
rom dekanozi Sorena TeTruaSvilisa
da iakobis patimaria!
_ sapatriarqos Sida mtroba
gasagebia, magram mamalaZe saero
sasamarTlom gaasamarTla da Sesabamisad,
politpatimris statu-
si ar miesadageba?
_ saero sasamarTlo Zalian
bevrs asamarTlebs, magram roca
mkvlelobis momzadebazea saubari,
adamiani politpatimrad ver
CaiTvleba.
_ ki batono, magram Tqveni,
rogorc iuristisa da politiko-
sis SefasebiT, im taqtikiT, ro-
melic opozicias aqvs arCeuli,
sarTaSoriso asparezze „oc-
nebas” mougebs?
_ is gancxadebebi, romelic
aSS-is kongressa da senatSi, aseve
evrosabWoSi gakeTda, imaze mianiSnebs,
rom Cvens partniorebs saqarTvelos
xelisuflebaze Zalian
negatiuri Sexeduleba aqvT. es
ki opoziciis qmedebaSi kargad unda
aisaxos, magram opoziciaSi azrTa
sxvadasxvaobaa, rac gayofasa
da gamijvnas ar unda niSnavdes.
_ ra azrTa sxvadasxvaobas
gulisxmobT?
_ garkveuli pirebis mimarT
arsebobs mosazreba, rom rusuli
interesebis gamtareblebi arian.
_ es mosazreba mTlad usafuZ-
vlo ar aris da swored amitom
Tqveni partia _ „kanoni da samar-
Tali” _ opozicis e. w. sakoor-
dinacio sabWos gaemijna.
_ diax, vici.
_ batono mixeil, es gadawyvetileba
swori iyo Tu aras-
wori?
_ saerTod, mimaCnia, rom koaliciaSi
yvela Tanaswori da Tanabari
unda iyos. Sesabamisad, mniSvneloba
arc imas unda hqondes, romelime
partia axalia Tu Zveli.
_ ra miniSnebas akeTebT?
_ iyo garkveuli sakiTxebi,
romelic ise wydeboda, rom politikuri
eTika irRveoda, amiT ki
diskomforti iqmneboda. ar Sei-
Zleba, garkveuli periodi vinmes
gverdiT dgoma dividendebis momtani
iyos, Semdeg ki aradamsaxurebuli
pozicia daiWiro. erTi
sityviT, gamosasworebeli da er-
Tad gasakeTebeli Zalian bevria.
vimedovneb, rom garkveul sakiTxebze
SigniTve Camoyalibdebian da
urTierTobas ufro daaregulireben.
saerTod, ormagi standartebiT
moqmedeba, miT umetes,
politikaSi, ar SeiZleba! politika
garkveuli pirebis ki ara, xalxis
nebas unda asaxavdes!
_ batono mixeil, saubris bo-
los, miTxariT, am droisTvis
dekanoz mamalaZis mdgomareoba
rogoria?
_ Zalian mZime.
_ advokatebi xom ar apirebT,
rom sasuliero piris Sewyalebis
TxovniT kidev mimarToT?
_ kanonis Tanaxmad, Sewyalebaze
mimarTva eqvsi Tvis Semdeg Sei-
Zleba, magram ar mgonia, es nabiji
gadavdgaT.
_ ratom?
_ pirdapiri moTxovna aqvs, rom
dekanozi ar Seiwyalos. amiT salome
vals ixdis.
_ vals vis uxdis?
_ prezidenti rom gaxda, es sapatriarqodan
gamomdinarec iyo,
anu bevri meufe agitatoriviT
gamodis da ambionidan, qadagebis
magivrad, politikaze, ruseTze
laparakobs da leqciebs atarebs.
aqedan gamomdinare vambob,
salomem vali gaistumra-meTqi.
ufro sworad, mudmivad valSi
iqneba da dekanozi arasodes unda
Seiwyalos!
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