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arCevnebis scenars ganixilavs~

Tvel politikur Zalas. savaraudoa,

rom swored amitom erT-erT

e. w. programa minimumad an saSinao

davalebad SeiZleba CavTvaloT

gazafxulze vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebis scenaris ganvi-

Tareba, rodesac saerTaSoriso Tu

Sida zewolis pasuxad mmarTveli

politikuri Zala gamova da ityvis,

rom radgan proporciul sistemaze

gadasvla ver eswreba, isini

demokratiuli gziT midian vadamdel

saparlamento arCevnebze. es

arCevnebi ki, ra Tqma unda, Sereuli

sistemiTa da 3%-iani saarCevno

barieriT Catardeba.

_ vadamdeli arCevnebisTvis

romeli politikuri subieqti

iqneba mzad?

_ am pirobebSi vadamdeli arCevnebisTvis

erTaderTi subieqti,

romelic „mzad aris”, es swored,

mmarTveli politikuri Zalaa,

radgan is administraciul resurss

flobs. arc opozicia da arc

sazogadoeba ar aris mzad vadamdeli

arCevnebisTvis, vgulisxmob

sistemur mzaobas. Sesabamisad, is

Sedegi, rac SeiZleba miiRos vadamdelis

scenaris gaTamaSebis Sem-

TxvevaSi mmarTvelma politikurma

Zalam, im Sedegze ukeTesi iqneba,

romelic man SeiZleba miiRos

oqtomberSi. magaliTad, Tu oqtomberSi

albaToba aris imisa, rom

mmarTvelma politikurma Zalam 50

mandati miiRos, gazafxulze Tuki

vadamdeli Catarda, es 50 mandati

SeiZleba iyos 55. cxadia, isini amas

iTvlian. rogorc me maqvs informacia

da mediaSic gaJRerda, „qar-

Tuli ocneba” vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebis scenars ganixilavs.

vadamdelis SemTxvevaSi sayvedurebi

„qarTuli ocnebis” misamarTiT,

rom danapirebi ar Seasrula

proporciulTan dakavSirebiT,

aqtualuri aRar iqneba da Cveni saerTaSoriso

partniorebi Tu organizaciebi

amaze veRar da aRar

ilaparakeben.

_ Tqven vrclad isaubreT imis

Sesaxeb, Tu ra gaTvlebi aqvs „qar-

Tul ocnebas”, opozicias ramde-

nad sworad aqvs gaTvlili nab-

ijebi da samoqmedo gegma?

_ samwuxarod, Cveni politikuri,

partiuli sistema Rrma krizisSia

da albaT, esec unda gagvevlo

imitom, rom Cven amis gamocdilebac

ar gvqonda, iseve rogorc

saxelmwifoebriobis. es krizisi ki

Seexeba yvela politikur Zalas,

romelic dRes warmodgenilia qar-

Tul politikur saWadrako dafaze.

demokratiuli partiuli sistema

Cven ar gvaqvs, Sesabamisad, es

Zalian seriozuli gamowvevaa Cveni

demokratiuli saxelmwifoebriobis

ganviTarebis gzaze. swored

am konteqstSi da amis gaTvaliswinebiT,

politikur ZalebSi siaxleebis,

axali mimarTulebebisa da

axali gadawyvetilebebis mwvave

deficiti SeiniSneba. aqedan gamomdinare,

mrCeba STabeWdileba, rom

xelisuflebis miRma myofi politikuri

partiebi ar arian mzad da,

savaraudod, maTi umravlesoba

arc ganixilavs vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebis scenars. es

TavisTavad cudia, radgan amomrCeveli

ver iqneba Camoyalibebuli.

rodesac opozicia ar aris mzad

vadamdelis scenarisTvis, xelisufleba

ki mzad aris, magram eleq-

`Cveni sazogadoebis, romlis wevri mec var da Cems Tavzec vsaubrob am

SemTxvevaSi, yvelaze didi Secdoma iyo da jer kidev aris is, rom veZebT

viRac erTs. paradoqsia, rom Semdeg aucileblad vpoulobT mas, visac

davarqmevT, rom Zlieria. erTi wlis Tavze aRmovaCenT, rom is erTi Cvens

gasakeTebels ar gaakeTebs, arc unda gaakeTos, radgan Cven Cvenive

gasakeTebeli unda gavakeToT. aq ki ukve `qarTveloba~ iRviZebs da

magaliTad Cndeba aseTi damokidebuleba: risTvis avirCie, Tuki ezos ar

damigvis, Tuki Cems saxlSi ar Semova da naTuras ar gamocvlis, anu

yvelaferi im erTma unda gagvikeTos, mere gavbrazdebiT da viwyebT mis

winaaRmdeg brZolas, radgan saxlSi naTura ar gamogvicvala~

toralurad bevria Camouyalibebeli

amomrCeveli, es yvelaferi

amomrCevlis flustracias, anu imedgacruebas

gamoiwvevs, ris gamoc

nawili saxlSi darCeba ar miva

arCevnebze da a. S., es ki saarCevno

Sedegebis legitimacias seriozul

kiTxvis niSnebs SesZens.

_ garda imisa, rom „qarTuli

ocneba” vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebis scenars ganixilavs, is,

didi albaTobiT, misTvis damaxa-

siaTebel meTods gamoiyenebs da

arCevnebis win ecdeba, „naciona-

luri moZraobisgan”, sxva wina

arCevnebis msgavsad, mtris xati

Seqmnas, amis xarjze ki moaxdinos

politikuri garemos polarizeba.

es faqtori ramdenad seriozul

problemebs Seuqmnis opozicias?

_ es gavlili teqnologiaa da

„qarTuli ocneba” am mxriv ar aris

`salome zurabiSvils am sakiTxTan mimarTebiT

aravin arafers ekiTxeba. Sesabamisad, misi raRac

gancxadeba, miT umetes, im tribunaze,

romelzedac Zalian kargad ician qarTuli Sida

politika, merwmuneT, CemTvis da ara mxolod

CemTvis, gansakuTrebuli mniSvnelobis mqone ar

aris. am sakiTxze gadawyvetilebas iRebs

saqarTvelos aRmasrulebeli xelisufleba

kanoniT gansazRvrul farglebSi. Sesabamisad,

CemTvis saintereso da samsjelo iqneba ara is,

Tu ra morig epataJur gamosvlas SemogvTavazebs

salome zurabiSvili, aramed ra gancxadebas

gaakeTebs am yvelaferze pasuxismgebeli

aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebis Sto~

originaluri. wina xelisuflebebic

iyenebdnen am saarCevno teqnologias,

romelsac me saxelad sakuTar

amomrCevelze fsiqologiuri

zewola davarqvi, radgan es

arCevani aRar aris Tavisufali da

informirebuli. amas gamoiyenebs

„qarTuli ocneba” 2020 wlis arCevnebzec,

oRond albaTobis maRali

xarisxiT sxva teqnologiebi da

mcdelobebi iqneba, rom maTTvis

maqsimalurad sasurveli Sedegi

miiRon. maT Soris gamoiyeneben administraciul

resurss, aseve axal

politikur Zalebs gaaCenen, rom

amomrCeveli daibnes da a. S., es yvelaferi

Cven ukve vnaxeT. ras daupirispirebs

sazogadoeba da opoziciuri

politikuri partiebi amas,

ver vxedavT, ara mxolod dRes,

aramed bolo arCevnebSi amas ra

daupirispira opoziciurma politikurma

gaerTianebam, ver davinaxeT.

2018 wlis saprezidento

arCevnebis pirvelsa da meore turzec

ra daupirispires opoziciurma

partiebma iseTi, rac Sedegs

Secvlida? _ samwuxarod, veraferi.

_ opozicia rom sustia, amaze

vTanxmdebiT. vxedavT imasac, rom

ar aqvT Camoyalibebuli, Tu ras

daupirispireben „qarTuli ocnebis”

Cveul meTods. aseT mocemu-

lobaSi ra SemTxvevaSi SeiZleba

dakargos „qarTulma ocnebam” xelisuflebaSi

darCenis yvelanai-

ri Sansi?

_ raoden paradoqsulic ar

unda iyos, SeiZleba, pretenziuladac

mogeCvenoT Cemi pozicia: me

samoqalaqo kulturasa da aqtivobaSi

vxedav gamosavals. rogori

aqtiurebi da pasuxismgeblianebic

viqnebiT, iseT Sedegebs gamoacxadebs

centraluri saarCevno komisia

da ara ise, rogorc xdeboda,

rom Cveni aqtivobis miuxedavad,

rogorsac dawerdnen, im Sedegebs

viRebdiT xolme sxvadasxva modifikaciiT,

Tumca realurad CvenSi

arCevnebi ase iyo xolme. pasiuri

amomrCeveli, upasuxismgeblo moqalaqeebi

yvela xelisuflebas imis

saSualebas vaZlevT, rom SeinarCunos

Zalauflebis berketebi,

gaixangrZlivos an naklebi danakargiT

darCes politikur scenaze.

_ opoziciam Tu arCevnebis

gziT ver moaxerxa „qarTuli ocnebis”

xelisuflebidan CamoSoreba,

revoluciur scenars ganix-

ilavs da amis Sesaxeb opozicio-

neri liderebisgan araerTi gancxadeba

movismineT. ramdenad xedavT

am scenariT movlenebis gan-

viTarebis Sansebs?

_ me, rogorc am qveynis erTi

rigiTi moqalaqe, romlisTvisac

Zalian mniSvnelovania, rom misi

samSoblo saxelmwifod iqces, demokratiul

mmarTvelobas vuWer

mxars da swored demokratiuli

mmarTvelobiT warmomidgenia sam-

Soblos momavali, amitom CemTvis

Zalian mZimea, Tundac mcire alba-

TobiT, revoluciuri scenarebis

ganxilva. moqalaqeebma SigniT unda

vipovoT resursi. xazgasmiT

vambob, rom moqalaqeebma unda mov-

ZebnoT es resursi da ara politikurma

partiebma, romlebsac TavianTi

istoria aqvT. kargia Tu cudia,

faqtia, rom aqvT da am Tavisi

istoriiT damZimebulebi dRemde

movidnen gamocdilebiT Tu gamoucdelobiT.

Cven axla am yvelafris

cvlilebebs vadevnebT Tvalyurs.

amdenad revoluciuri scenariT

ganviTareba CemTvis miuRebelia

da ar aris sasurveli. gulwrfelad

rom vTqva, arc vxedav

resurssa da mzaobas imisa, rom sazogadoebam

mxari dauWiros amas.

revolucia ki, sazogadoebis mxardaWeris

gareSe, rTulad SeiZleba

iyos warmatebuli.

_ vrceldeba informacia, rom

ivaniSvili

premier-ministris

postze brundeba. es faqti rogor

Secvlis „qarTuli ocnebis”

politikur realobas?

_ es informacia erTaderTi

mizniT gavrcelda, rom sazogadoebisa

da politikuri partiebis

yuradReba mTavari Temebidan imaze

gadataniliyo, emsjelaT, dabrundeba

Tu ara ivaniSvili. ukve 2

kviraze metia, swored es aris gamxsneli

Tema. Cveni xelisuflebis

umravlesobas ruseTisadmi siyvaruli

mosdgams da rusebs aseTi

samxedro termini aqvT: „yuradRebis

gadasatani manevri”, Sesabamisad,

es informacia swored yuradRebis

gadatanas emsaxureboda, pirvel

rigSi, qveynis garedan wamosuli

skepsisidan undodaT yuradRebis

gadatana da ufro metad ecadnen

vadamdeli saparlamento arCevnebis

SefuTvas, rom amaze samsjelod

sazogadoebas sakmarisi dro ar

hqondes.

_ ise movediT 2020 wlamde, rom

mudmivad aqtualuri Tema iyo

mesame Zala, Tu vin moipovebda am

statuss, Tumca es adgili, jer-

jerobiT, vakanturia. aris Tu ara

Sansi, rom realuri mesame Zala

gamoCndes?

_ Cveni sazogadoebis, romlis

wevri mec var da Cems Tavzec vsaubrob

am SemTxvevaSi, yvelaze didi

Secdoma iyo da jer kidev aris

is, rom veZebT viRac erTs. paradoqsia,

rom Semdeg aucileblad

vpoulobT mas, visac davarqmevT,

rom Zlieria. erTi wlis Tavze

aRmovaCenT, rom is erTi Cvens

gasakeTebels ar gaakeTebs, arc

unda gaakeTos, radgan Cven Cvenive

gasakeTebeli unda gavakeToT. aq

ki ukve „qarTveloba” iRviZebs da

magaliTad Cndeba aseTi damokidebuleba:

risTvis avirCie, Tuki

ezos ar damigvis, Tuki Cems saxl-

Si ar Semova da naTuras ar gamocvlis,

anu yvelaferi im erTma unda

gagvikeTos, mere gavbrazdebiT da

viwyebT mis winaaRmdeg brZolas,

radgan saxlSi naTura ar gamogvicvala.

amis Semdeg ki xelaxla viwyebT

axlis Ziebas. igive wreze

varT 2 aTeuli weli. ase iqceoda

postsabWoTa Taoba. maT Soris,

mec. axali Taoba ase aRar iqceva

da aRarc unda moiqces imitom,

rom man yvelaze kargad icis, _ mis

gasakeTebels aravin gaakeTebs. amasTanave

xelisufleba iseTi iqneba,

rogori aqtiuric TviTon iqneba

da rogori samoqalaqo pasuxismgeblobac

mas eqneba. Tu viRacam

moatyua, sxvas aravis unda daabralos

es. motyuvdi, radgan motyueba

gindoda. Cven varT Cvenive saqcielze

pasuxismgeblebi da ufro

meti samoqalaqo TviTSegnebiT unda

movekidoT saqmes, maSin gveqneba

Zlieri samoqalaqo da demokratiuli

sazogadoeba, Zlieri partiuli

sistemiT.

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