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arCevnebis scenars ganixilavs~
Tvel politikur Zalas. savaraudoa,
rom swored amitom erT-erT
e. w. programa minimumad an saSinao
davalebad SeiZleba CavTvaloT
gazafxulze vadamdeli saparlamento
arCevnebis scenaris ganvi-
Tareba, rodesac saerTaSoriso Tu
Sida zewolis pasuxad mmarTveli
politikuri Zala gamova da ityvis,
rom radgan proporciul sistemaze
gadasvla ver eswreba, isini
demokratiuli gziT midian vadamdel
saparlamento arCevnebze. es
arCevnebi ki, ra Tqma unda, Sereuli
sistemiTa da 3%-iani saarCevno
barieriT Catardeba.
_ vadamdeli arCevnebisTvis
romeli politikuri subieqti
iqneba mzad?
_ am pirobebSi vadamdeli arCevnebisTvis
erTaderTi subieqti,
romelic „mzad aris”, es swored,
mmarTveli politikuri Zalaa,
radgan is administraciul resurss
flobs. arc opozicia da arc
sazogadoeba ar aris mzad vadamdeli
arCevnebisTvis, vgulisxmob
sistemur mzaobas. Sesabamisad, is
Sedegi, rac SeiZleba miiRos vadamdelis
scenaris gaTamaSebis Sem-
TxvevaSi mmarTvelma politikurma
Zalam, im Sedegze ukeTesi iqneba,
romelic man SeiZleba miiRos
oqtomberSi. magaliTad, Tu oqtomberSi
albaToba aris imisa, rom
mmarTvelma politikurma Zalam 50
mandati miiRos, gazafxulze Tuki
vadamdeli Catarda, es 50 mandati
SeiZleba iyos 55. cxadia, isini amas
iTvlian. rogorc me maqvs informacia
da mediaSic gaJRerda, „qar-
Tuli ocneba” vadamdeli saparlamento
arCevnebis scenars ganixilavs.
vadamdelis SemTxvevaSi sayvedurebi
„qarTuli ocnebis” misamarTiT,
rom danapirebi ar Seasrula
proporciulTan dakavSirebiT,
aqtualuri aRar iqneba da Cveni saerTaSoriso
partniorebi Tu organizaciebi
amaze veRar da aRar
ilaparakeben.
_ Tqven vrclad isaubreT imis
Sesaxeb, Tu ra gaTvlebi aqvs „qar-
Tul ocnebas”, opozicias ramde-
nad sworad aqvs gaTvlili nab-
ijebi da samoqmedo gegma?
_ samwuxarod, Cveni politikuri,
partiuli sistema Rrma krizisSia
da albaT, esec unda gagvevlo
imitom, rom Cven amis gamocdilebac
ar gvqonda, iseve rogorc
saxelmwifoebriobis. es krizisi ki
Seexeba yvela politikur Zalas,
romelic dRes warmodgenilia qar-
Tul politikur saWadrako dafaze.
demokratiuli partiuli sistema
Cven ar gvaqvs, Sesabamisad, es
Zalian seriozuli gamowvevaa Cveni
demokratiuli saxelmwifoebriobis
ganviTarebis gzaze. swored
am konteqstSi da amis gaTvaliswinebiT,
politikur ZalebSi siaxleebis,
axali mimarTulebebisa da
axali gadawyvetilebebis mwvave
deficiti SeiniSneba. aqedan gamomdinare,
mrCeba STabeWdileba, rom
xelisuflebis miRma myofi politikuri
partiebi ar arian mzad da,
savaraudod, maTi umravlesoba
arc ganixilavs vadamdeli saparlamento
arCevnebis scenars. es
TavisTavad cudia, radgan amomrCeveli
ver iqneba Camoyalibebuli.
rodesac opozicia ar aris mzad
vadamdelis scenarisTvis, xelisufleba
ki mzad aris, magram eleq-
`Cveni sazogadoebis, romlis wevri mec var da Cems Tavzec vsaubrob am
SemTxvevaSi, yvelaze didi Secdoma iyo da jer kidev aris is, rom veZebT
viRac erTs. paradoqsia, rom Semdeg aucileblad vpoulobT mas, visac
davarqmevT, rom Zlieria. erTi wlis Tavze aRmovaCenT, rom is erTi Cvens
gasakeTebels ar gaakeTebs, arc unda gaakeTos, radgan Cven Cvenive
gasakeTebeli unda gavakeToT. aq ki ukve `qarTveloba~ iRviZebs da
magaliTad Cndeba aseTi damokidebuleba: risTvis avirCie, Tuki ezos ar
damigvis, Tuki Cems saxlSi ar Semova da naTuras ar gamocvlis, anu
yvelaferi im erTma unda gagvikeTos, mere gavbrazdebiT da viwyebT mis
winaaRmdeg brZolas, radgan saxlSi naTura ar gamogvicvala~
toralurad bevria Camouyalibebeli
amomrCeveli, es yvelaferi
amomrCevlis flustracias, anu imedgacruebas
gamoiwvevs, ris gamoc
nawili saxlSi darCeba ar miva
arCevnebze da a. S., es ki saarCevno
Sedegebis legitimacias seriozul
kiTxvis niSnebs SesZens.
_ garda imisa, rom „qarTuli
ocneba” vadamdeli saparlamento
arCevnebis scenars ganixilavs, is,
didi albaTobiT, misTvis damaxa-
siaTebel meTods gamoiyenebs da
arCevnebis win ecdeba, „naciona-
luri moZraobisgan”, sxva wina
arCevnebis msgavsad, mtris xati
Seqmnas, amis xarjze ki moaxdinos
politikuri garemos polarizeba.
es faqtori ramdenad seriozul
problemebs Seuqmnis opozicias?
_ es gavlili teqnologiaa da
„qarTuli ocneba” am mxriv ar aris
`salome zurabiSvils am sakiTxTan mimarTebiT
aravin arafers ekiTxeba. Sesabamisad, misi raRac
gancxadeba, miT umetes, im tribunaze,
romelzedac Zalian kargad ician qarTuli Sida
politika, merwmuneT, CemTvis da ara mxolod
CemTvis, gansakuTrebuli mniSvnelobis mqone ar
aris. am sakiTxze gadawyvetilebas iRebs
saqarTvelos aRmasrulebeli xelisufleba
kanoniT gansazRvrul farglebSi. Sesabamisad,
CemTvis saintereso da samsjelo iqneba ara is,
Tu ra morig epataJur gamosvlas SemogvTavazebs
salome zurabiSvili, aramed ra gancxadebas
gaakeTebs am yvelaferze pasuxismgebeli
aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebis Sto~
originaluri. wina xelisuflebebic
iyenebdnen am saarCevno teqnologias,
romelsac me saxelad sakuTar
amomrCevelze fsiqologiuri
zewola davarqvi, radgan es
arCevani aRar aris Tavisufali da
informirebuli. amas gamoiyenebs
„qarTuli ocneba” 2020 wlis arCevnebzec,
oRond albaTobis maRali
xarisxiT sxva teqnologiebi da
mcdelobebi iqneba, rom maTTvis
maqsimalurad sasurveli Sedegi
miiRon. maT Soris gamoiyeneben administraciul
resurss, aseve axal
politikur Zalebs gaaCenen, rom
amomrCeveli daibnes da a. S., es yvelaferi
Cven ukve vnaxeT. ras daupirispirebs
sazogadoeba da opoziciuri
politikuri partiebi amas,
ver vxedavT, ara mxolod dRes,
aramed bolo arCevnebSi amas ra
daupirispira opoziciurma politikurma
gaerTianebam, ver davinaxeT.
2018 wlis saprezidento
arCevnebis pirvelsa da meore turzec
ra daupirispires opoziciurma
partiebma iseTi, rac Sedegs
Secvlida? _ samwuxarod, veraferi.
_ opozicia rom sustia, amaze
vTanxmdebiT. vxedavT imasac, rom
ar aqvT Camoyalibebuli, Tu ras
daupirispireben „qarTuli ocnebis”
Cveul meTods. aseT mocemu-
lobaSi ra SemTxvevaSi SeiZleba
dakargos „qarTulma ocnebam” xelisuflebaSi
darCenis yvelanai-
ri Sansi?
_ raoden paradoqsulic ar
unda iyos, SeiZleba, pretenziuladac
mogeCvenoT Cemi pozicia: me
samoqalaqo kulturasa da aqtivobaSi
vxedav gamosavals. rogori
aqtiurebi da pasuxismgeblianebic
viqnebiT, iseT Sedegebs gamoacxadebs
centraluri saarCevno komisia
da ara ise, rogorc xdeboda,
rom Cveni aqtivobis miuxedavad,
rogorsac dawerdnen, im Sedegebs
viRebdiT xolme sxvadasxva modifikaciiT,
Tumca realurad CvenSi
arCevnebi ase iyo xolme. pasiuri
amomrCeveli, upasuxismgeblo moqalaqeebi
yvela xelisuflebas imis
saSualebas vaZlevT, rom SeinarCunos
Zalauflebis berketebi,
gaixangrZlivos an naklebi danakargiT
darCes politikur scenaze.
_ opoziciam Tu arCevnebis
gziT ver moaxerxa „qarTuli ocnebis”
xelisuflebidan CamoSoreba,
revoluciur scenars ganix-
ilavs da amis Sesaxeb opozicio-
neri liderebisgan araerTi gancxadeba
movismineT. ramdenad xedavT
am scenariT movlenebis gan-
viTarebis Sansebs?
_ me, rogorc am qveynis erTi
rigiTi moqalaqe, romlisTvisac
Zalian mniSvnelovania, rom misi
samSoblo saxelmwifod iqces, demokratiul
mmarTvelobas vuWer
mxars da swored demokratiuli
mmarTvelobiT warmomidgenia sam-
Soblos momavali, amitom CemTvis
Zalian mZimea, Tundac mcire alba-
TobiT, revoluciuri scenarebis
ganxilva. moqalaqeebma SigniT unda
vipovoT resursi. xazgasmiT
vambob, rom moqalaqeebma unda mov-
ZebnoT es resursi da ara politikurma
partiebma, romlebsac TavianTi
istoria aqvT. kargia Tu cudia,
faqtia, rom aqvT da am Tavisi
istoriiT damZimebulebi dRemde
movidnen gamocdilebiT Tu gamoucdelobiT.
Cven axla am yvelafris
cvlilebebs vadevnebT Tvalyurs.
amdenad revoluciuri scenariT
ganviTareba CemTvis miuRebelia
da ar aris sasurveli. gulwrfelad
rom vTqva, arc vxedav
resurssa da mzaobas imisa, rom sazogadoebam
mxari dauWiros amas.
revolucia ki, sazogadoebis mxardaWeris
gareSe, rTulad SeiZleba
iyos warmatebuli.
_ vrceldeba informacia, rom
ivaniSvili
premier-ministris
postze brundeba. es faqti rogor
Secvlis „qarTuli ocnebis”
politikur realobas?
_ es informacia erTaderTi
mizniT gavrcelda, rom sazogadoebisa
da politikuri partiebis
yuradReba mTavari Temebidan imaze
gadataniliyo, emsjelaT, dabrundeba
Tu ara ivaniSvili. ukve 2
kviraze metia, swored es aris gamxsneli
Tema. Cveni xelisuflebis
umravlesobas ruseTisadmi siyvaruli
mosdgams da rusebs aseTi
samxedro termini aqvT: „yuradRebis
gadasatani manevri”, Sesabamisad,
es informacia swored yuradRebis
gadatanas emsaxureboda, pirvel
rigSi, qveynis garedan wamosuli
skepsisidan undodaT yuradRebis
gadatana da ufro metad ecadnen
vadamdeli saparlamento arCevnebis
SefuTvas, rom amaze samsjelod
sazogadoebas sakmarisi dro ar
hqondes.
_ ise movediT 2020 wlamde, rom
mudmivad aqtualuri Tema iyo
mesame Zala, Tu vin moipovebda am
statuss, Tumca es adgili, jer-
jerobiT, vakanturia. aris Tu ara
Sansi, rom realuri mesame Zala
gamoCndes?
_ Cveni sazogadoebis, romlis
wevri mec var da Cems Tavzec vsaubrob
am SemTxvevaSi, yvelaze didi
Secdoma iyo da jer kidev aris
is, rom veZebT viRac erTs. paradoqsia,
rom Semdeg aucileblad
vpoulobT mas, visac davarqmevT,
rom Zlieria. erTi wlis Tavze
aRmovaCenT, rom is erTi Cvens
gasakeTebels ar gaakeTebs, arc
unda gaakeTos, radgan Cven Cvenive
gasakeTebeli unda gavakeToT. aq
ki ukve „qarTveloba” iRviZebs da
magaliTad Cndeba aseTi damokidebuleba:
risTvis avirCie, Tuki
ezos ar damigvis, Tuki Cems saxl-
Si ar Semova da naTuras ar gamocvlis,
anu yvelaferi im erTma unda
gagvikeTos, mere gavbrazdebiT da
viwyebT mis winaaRmdeg brZolas,
radgan saxlSi naTura ar gamogvicvala.
amis Semdeg ki xelaxla viwyebT
axlis Ziebas. igive wreze
varT 2 aTeuli weli. ase iqceoda
postsabWoTa Taoba. maT Soris,
mec. axali Taoba ase aRar iqceva
da aRarc unda moiqces imitom,
rom man yvelaze kargad icis, _ mis
gasakeTebels aravin gaakeTebs. amasTanave
xelisufleba iseTi iqneba,
rogori aqtiuric TviTon iqneba
da rogori samoqalaqo pasuxismgeblobac
mas eqneba. Tu viRacam
moatyua, sxvas aravis unda daabralos
es. motyuvdi, radgan motyueba
gindoda. Cven varT Cvenive saqcielze
pasuxismgeblebi da ufro
meti samoqalaqo TviTSegnebiT unda
movekidoT saqmes, maSin gveqneba
Zlieri samoqalaqo da demokratiuli
sazogadoeba, Zlieri partiuli
sistemiT.
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