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_ amitomac ebrZvis gaveSebuli!~
aneboT, xarjebi, rac geometriuli
progresiiT izrdeba, daizogeba!
erTi sityviT, pirveladi jandacva
yvelaze idealuri formaa,
romelic qveyanam aucileblad
unda ganaxorcielos!
ai, medikamentebis xelmisawvdomobisTvis
ki, minimum, monopoliebi
unda daingres da sxva
RonisZiebebic gatardes. amas garda,
mas, visac amis saWiroeba aqvs,
medikamentebi aucileblad unda
daufinansdes. sayovelTao jandacvis
pirobebSi pacientze garkveuli
Tanxa ixarjeba, magram
gamokvlevebisa da mkurnalobis
Semdeg pacients imis Tanxa aRar
aqvs, rom kargi da saWiro raodenobis
medikamentebi SeiZinos. e. i.,
Tanxa ki ixarjeba, magram adamiani
bolomde ar ikurneba da es naxevrad
gakeTebuli jandacvaa.
sxvaTa Soris, jandacvis sfero
yvela qveyanaSi eleqtronuli
sistemiT gaumjobesda da amis gakeTeba
CvenTanac Zalian mniSvnelovania.
Cven jandacvaSi prioritetad
onkologia avirCieT da giorgi
vaSaZis iniciativiT, strategia
„aRmaSeneblis” farglebSi onkologiis
marTvis centri Seiqmna,
romelic efuZneba sam princips:
onkologiuri daavadebebis diagnostikas,
prevenciasa da maRali
donis mkurnalobas. yvelaferi es
ki saxelmwifom sakuTar Tavze
unda aiRos.
strategia „aRmaSeneblis” farglebSi
dafuZnebuli „onkologiis
marTvis centri”, uaxloes momavalSi,
urTierTTanamSromlobis
memorandumebs aSS-isa da
evropis qveynebTan gaaformebs,
rac onkologiis dargis ganvi-
TarebaSi dagvexmareba. saerTod,
onkologiuri pacientebis umetesoba
saqarTvelodan samkurnalod
ucxoeTSi midis. es did
finansebTanaa dakavSirebuli. Cveni
mizania, rom saqarTvelos nebismier
moqalaqes SevuqmnaT Sesa-
Zlebloba, samSobloSi iseTi ma-
Rali donis samedicino momsaxureba
miiRos, rogorsac ganvi-
Tarebuli qveynebis pacientebi
sakuTar saxelmwifoebSi iReben!
_ rac Seexeba premieris im
ybadaRebul brZanebas, romelmac
kardioklinikebi lamis daxurvis
piramde miiyvana, es dadgenileba
araprofesionalizmis Sedegia Tu
vinmes biznesinteresebisTvis,
rogorc ityvian, gzis gasufTave-
ba iyo?
_ saqarTvelos mTavrobis 2019
wlis 5 noembris 520-e dadgenilebis
mixedviT, saxelmwifom tarifebi
yvelaze ufro ganviTarebul,
maRalteqnologiur da iseT mniSvnelovan
samedicino mmimarTulebebze
Seamcira, rogoricaa reanimaciuli
momsaxureba, kardioqirurgia,
ariTmologia da nevrologia.
amasTan, am dadgenilebiTve,
zogierT SemTxvevaSi, tarifi
samedicino TviTmomsaxurebaze
gacilebiT naklebia, anu mkurnalobis
Rirebuleba pirvel, meore
da mesame donis ganyofilebebSi
imdenad Semcirebulia, rom mosalodneli
zaralis gamo, SesaZloa,
intensiuri sawolebis raodenoba
`ocnebis~ jandacvis sistema Tavidanve araswori iyo, anu reforma sabiujeto
Tanxebis gamoyofas mxolod hospitaluri seqtorisTvis iTvaliswinebda,
Tan dafinansebisa da marTvis araswori modeliT. yvelaferma aman xarjebis
geometriuli progresiiT zrda gamoiwvia. amas garda, ar moxda pirveladi
jandacvis rgolis gaZliereba, medikamentebisadmi xelmisawvdomobis gazrda,
eleqtronuli jandacvis danergva da a. S.~
Semcirdes. ai, swored esaa yvelaze
mniSvnelovani problema, romlis
winaSec aRmovCndebiT, miT
umetes, rom intensiuri sawolebis
raodenoba sakmarisi arc aqamde
iyo.
yvelaferi es ki, didi alba-
TobiT, pacientis mkurnalobis
xarisxs gaauaresebs.
sxvaTa Soris, mTavrobam 520-e
dadgenileba ise miiRo, rom jandacvis
saministros tarifebis
Sesaxeb molaparakeba arc dargobrivi
sferos asociaciebTan gaumarTavs,
arc _ samedicino sferos
mimwodeblebTan da arc _ samedicino
personalTan!
isic mniSvnelovania, rom 26
samedicino dawesebulebis moTxovnis
miuxedavad, jandacvis saministrom
dadgenilebis amoqmedeba
ar gadaavada, raTa yvela problemuri
sakiTxi ganxiluliyo da
iseTi gonivruli tarifebi damtkicebuliyo,
romelic dRevandel
safinanso-ekonomikur parametrebs
realurad asaxavda!
erTi sityviT, yvelafer amiT
jandacvis saministro mxolod
samedicino servisebis mimwodeblebsa
da samedicino personals
ki ara, pacientebsac azaralebs!
Sesabamisad, samedicino momsaxurebis
xarisxi sagrZnoblad
gauaresdeba.
_ qalbatono manana, nuTu,
zemoxsenebuli dadgenilebis avtorebma
ver gaTvales, yve-
laferi es ras gamoiwvevda?
_ dRes jandacvas imdenad araprofesionali
kadrebi marTaven,
rom ar gamovricxav, es nabiji
araprofesionalizmiTve iyos
gamowveuli, Tumca arc biznesinteresebis
naklebobaa!
_ ise, rogorc vici, jandacvis
saministro sxvadasxva programisTvis
tenderebs ar acxadebs.
ai, magaliTad, maqvs informacia,
rom diabetiT daavadebu-
li bavSvebisTvis insulini ar
SeiZines. amas ra hqvia?
_ diax, jandacvis sistemasTan
dakavSirebiT aseTi problemebi
`mixeil saakaSvili rom saqarTveloSi
yofiliyo, `ocneba~ ukve dasrulebuli
iqneboda. amas yvela xvdeba da mniSvneloba ar
aqvs, vin aRiarebs da vin - ara!~
namdvilad arsebobs _ zogierT
SemTxvevaSi, tenderi ar tardeba,
Tumca amaze mniSvnelovani ufro
isaa, rom programebi deficituria
da amis gamo samedicino momsaxureba
dabali xarisxisaa! xolo
dabali xarisxis samedicino momsaxureba
ras niSnavs, mgoni, ganmartebas
ar saWiroebs!
amas garda, deficituri programebis
gamo ama Tu im programaSi
SesaZloa, is pacientebi ver
CaerTon, romlebic amas saWiroeben!
rac Seexeba diabetiT daavadebuli
bavSvebis programas,
amboben, rom maTi insuliniT
uzrunvelyofa pirveli martidan
daiwyeba. Cemi informaciiT ki diabetiT
daavadebuli mozrdilebis
insuliniT uzrunvelyofis
tenderi ar Catarebula.
_ jandacvis uwyeba socialur
sakiTxebsac kurirebs. rogorc
cnobilia, aTasobiT adamians so-
cialurad daucvelis statusi
mouxsnes. es imitom xdeba, rom
biujeti daizogos Tu ZaRlis
Tavi sxvaganaa damarxuli?
_ cxadia, geTanxmebiT, rom
socialurad daucvelis statusi
Zalian bevrs mouxsnes. arada,
bolo wlebSi imdeni adamiani ga-
Ratakda, rom piriqiT unda momxdariyo,
anu ki ar unda moexsnaT,
aramed socialuri daxmareba
mravalisTvis unda daeniSnaT!
ise, rom vxedavde, qveyanaSi rame
seriozuli proeqti xorcieldeba,
vifiqrebdi, am programebze
Tanxa dazogeso, magram ver
getyviT, am SemTxvevaSi ZaRlis
Tavi sadaa damarxuli!
_ dasamali aravisTvisaa, rom
Cvens qveyanaSi uamravi bavSvi
gausaZlis pirobebSi cxovrobs.
xelisuflebis Secvlis Semdeg
axlandel opozicias Tu aqvs
gegma, rom am kuTxiT arsebuli
viTareba swrafad gaaumjobesos?
_ opozicia gegmavs, rom qveyanaSi
ekonomikuri zrdis maCveneblebi
realurad gazardos da
iseTi proeqtebi ganaxorcielos,
romelic saqarTvelos winsvlisa
da ganviTarebis saSualebas miscems,
magram manamde vgegmavT, rom
bavSvTa SimSilianoba aRvkveToT!
_ amas rogor gaakeTebT?
_ sxvadasxva monacemiT, saqa-
rTveloSi aTi aTasobiT bavSvi
SimSilobs, anu im sakvebs da im raodenobiT
ver iRebs, rac misi
normaluri zrdisa da ganviTarebisTvis
aucilebelia.
piradad Cemi iniciativaa, rom
socialuri paketebidan bavSvTa
socialuri daxmarebis paketi calke
gamoiyos, romelic kvlevebze
dayrdnobiT ganisazRvreba da
bavSvTa janmrTelobasa da normalur
ganviTarebas uzrunvelyofs!
jerjerobiT qveyanas imis sa-
Sualeba ar gaaCnia, rom mdidar da
Rarib bavSvs rame saxis daxmareba
erTnairad gamouyos, amitom mTeli
daxmareba maTken unda mivmar-
ToT, visac yvelaze Zalian uWirT!
_ bolos, qalbatono manana,
opoziciazec gkiTxavT: Tavs uxerxulad
ar grZnobT, e. w. sakoordinacio
sabWoSi prodasav-
luri partiebis gverdiT nino
burjanaZec rom zis?
_ ruseTis mimarT Cemi damokidebuleba
Zalian kargad iciT,
anu e. w. argaRizianebis politikas
ar veTanxmebi, radgan swored
am politikis gamo mxolod 2019
wlis pirveli seqtembridan dRemde
ruseTma saqarTvelos 12 milion
kvadratul metrze meti teritoria
waiRo! _ CorCanisa da perevis
tyis masivebs vgulisxmob.
sxvaTa Soris, es teritoriebi
cxinvalis administraciul saz-
RvrebSi arasodes yofila!
saqarTvelos xelisufleba ki
mTel am process dumiliTa da e.
w. argaRizianebis politikiT uwyobs
xels! amasobaSi ki ruseTi
danarCeni saqarTvelos dapyrobasac
moindomebs.
rac Seexeba burjanaZes, globalur
sakiTxebSi ar veTanxmebi,
Tumca faqtia, rom proporciuli
arCevnebi masac unda!
_ ise, opoziciam grigol
vaSaZeze ieriSi ratom miitana?
„girCis” gancxadebas vgulisxmob.
_ roca burjanaZis partiasTan
Tanxvedra ar gaqvs, magram proporciuli
arCevnebs gamo masTan
zixar da, am dros, grigol vaSaZeze
ambob, mis gverdiT ar davjdebio,
es CemTvis gaugebaria.
saerTod, xalxi gadawyvets, visi
ra monapovaria da amitom amaze
dava araseriozulad mimaCnia!
_ gveSveleba rame?
_ maSin gveSveleba, roca saparlamento
arCevnebSi prodasavluri
Zalebi gaimarjveben.
_ gaimarjveben?
_ diax, vfiqrob, gaimarjveben,
Tumca amisTvis Tavdadebuli da
Tavganwiruli brZolaa saWiro. am
brZolaSi ukan dasaxevi gza ar
arsebobs da mjera, rom am brZolaSi
Cven gavimarjvebT!
_ mixeil saakaSvilis gareSe
opozicia „ocnebas” daamarcxebs?
_ mixeil saakaSvili rom saqar-
TveloSi yofiliyo, „ocneba” ukve
dasrulebuli iqneboda. amas yvela
xvdeba da mniSvneloba ar aqvs,
vin aRiarebs da vin _ ara! sxvaTa
Soris, TviT biZinamac icis, rom
miSa mas daamarcxebs! saakaSvilsa
da „nacionalur moZraobas” ase
gaveSebuli swored amitomac
ebrZvis!
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