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erovnuli Seuracxyofa iqneba~
romelsac ase eloda qarTuli sazogadoeba.
am partiaSi marTla
naTeli saxeebi iyvnen gawevrianebulebi,
romlebsac bevri politikosisgan
gansxvavebiT warsuli codvebi
ar amZimebda. Tavidan Cvens
Sexvedrebze uamravi adamiani modioda.
paata burWulaZis mimarT
Zalian maRali ndoba iyo. es ar moewona
arsebul xelisuflebas. Caeria
biZina ivaniSvili da Cven gar-
Semo eniT auwereli domxali moxarSa.
am yvelaferma Cem Tvalwin Caiara
da yvelaferi kargad maxsovs.
paatas mimarT saSineli ciliswamebebi
wamovida da bolos verc erTi
daamtkices. ivaniSvils SeeZlo,
CvenTvis Tavidanve SeeSala xeli,
magram Cveni arseboba erTi raRacisTvis
awyobda, amitomac cota
xani gvacales.
_ ras gulisxmobT, risTvis
mogcaT dro ivaniSvilma?
_ ivaniSvils ainteresebda, saqarTveloSi
ramdeni adamiani iyo
iseTi, visac arc „ocneba” undoda
da arc _ „nacionaluri moZraoba”.
biZina ivaniSvili politikaSi xom
aseTi deviziT movida _ Sua unda
gaikrifos. Zalian bevri gakrifa
kidevac da qveyana or polusad
gayo. amis miuxedavad, xalxSi mo-
Txovna ismoda mesame Zalaze. mesame
Zala SeiZleboda, Cven vyofiliyaviT.
Zalian maRali interesi iyo
Cveni partiis mimarT. uamravi adamiani
modioda CvenTan. biZina ivaniSvilma
dainaxa, rom saqarTvelo-
Si Zalian bevri iyo xalxi, romelsac
arc wina xelisufleba undoda
da arc _ moqmedi. es bunebrivia,
ar moewona da partiis ganadgureba
daiwyo. ZaliT da fuliT
Sexvedrebze aravin migviyvania, isini
Tavisi iniciativiT modiodnen.
am Sexvedrebze modiodnen susis
TanamSromlebic. Cvens mxardamWerebs
fotoebs uRebdnen da Semdeg
maTze zewola midioda. amis
damadasturebeli uamravi faqti
maqvs. Cvens mxardamWerebs susis
TanamSromlebi pirdapir saxlebSi
akiTxavdnen da emuqrebodnen, aiZulebdnen,
Cveni partia daetovebinaT,
magram bolomde Cveni dangreva
mainc ar gamouvidaT.
_ bolomde ar gamouvidaT, mag-
ram iseTi aRaraa es partia, rog-
orc Seqmnis pirvel TveebSi iyo.
_ es rom ase yofiliyo, „ocnebam”
didi Zala gamoiyena. dRes
„nacionaluri moZraobasaviT”
Zlieri partia ar varT, magram
raRacis gakeTeba Cvenc kargad
SegviZlia. dRes meamayeba, rom paata
birWulaZis gverdiT vdgavar.
am adamians aTasi sibinZure mougones
da marTla rame rom daeSavebina,
4 weli gavida da aqamde daumtkicebdnen.
_ sainteresoa, ratom gadaeki-
da ivaniSvili burWulaZes ase?
rogorc rc amboben, is burWulaZes
sTxovda, rom 2013 wels „ocnebis”
prezidentobis kandidati yo-
filiyo.
_ biZinas Zalianac undoda, rom
paata mis partiaSi yofiliyo da
misi davalebebi Seesrulebina, magram
paata amas ar dasTanxmda, gadawyvita
calke ebrZola da qveynisTvis
ukeTesi momavali Seeqmna. es
ivaniSvilis gegmebSi ar Sedioda,
amitomac dagvmarTes es yvelaferi.
uamravi vinme Semogvigzavnes,
partiis ZiriTadi birTvi sufTa
warsulis adamianebiT iyo dakompleqtebuli.
sisxlian 9 wels Cven
`Tavad opoziciac mixvda, rom erTad dgomas alternativa ar gaaCnia.
amitomac aiZules Tavi, erTad damdgariyvnen. albaT arc Tqven, arc me da arc
aravin warmoidgenda, rom aseTi gansxvavebuli xalxi erTmaneTis gverdiT
dadgeboda. amas sizmarSic ver vnaxavdi. CemTvis yvelaze mTavari isaa, rom
opoziciam kargad gaacnobiera, - erTpartiuli mmarTveloba warsuls Cabarda~
veravin wamogvaZaxebda. rac mTavaria,
partiaSi ganaTlebuli adamianebi
gvyavda. maT araCveulebrivi
programebi daweres. gansakuTrebiT
minda gamovyo nika maWutaZe. es
saocrad ganaTlebuli adamiania,
ubralod meamayeba, rom Cven erT
partiaSi varT. mis ganaTlebasa da
inteleqts sazRvari ar aqvs. xSirad
vekiTxebi mas rCevebs da rom
daiwyebs, aRar Cerdeba. aqedan wasvlas
arc vapireb. rodesac Cveni
partiis ganadgureba daiwyo, sxva
organizaciebidan araerTi SemoTavazeba
mqonda; aseve „qarTuli
ocnebidanac” mTavazobdnen, magram
ar wavedi. Zalian ar momwons, roca
adamianebi partiebs icvlian da
Tavad rogor unda gadamedga es
nabiji? aris raRac principebi,
Sexedulebebi, romelzedac uari
ar unda Tqva.
_ axla Tqveni partia opozici-
ur gaerTianebaSia. iq kargad
grZnobT Tavs?
_ es gaerTianeba saprezidento
arCevnebis win gakeTda da maSin
SevediT. dRemde iq vrCebiT da am
gaerTianebis Zalian principuli
wevrebi varT.
_ es principuloba raSi gam-
oixateba?
_ am gaerTianebaSi aris „nacionaluri
moZraoba”, amis miuxedavad,
Cven arasdros uarvyofT, rom
warsulSi Secdomebi iyo. aravis
vuvarcxniT kuds, rom es ase ar
iyo. mimaCnia, simarTle yvelgan da
yovelTvis unda iTqvas. amasTan,
aucileblad momavlisken unda
viyuroT da yvelaferi gavakeToT
qveynis ganviTarebisTvis.
`qarels mTeli gori kargad icnobs. is
odiozuri da gaunaTlebeli adamiania. misi
moRvaweobidan uamravi komikuri faqti
SeiZleba gavixsenoT. Tundac igive rusuli
enis codna-arcodna, rac yvelaze naklebi
danaSaulia, radganac am adamians bevri
binZuri saqme aqvs gakeTebuli. `qarTul
ocnebas~ uyvars 9 welze saubari, miSa qareli
ki am 9 wlis erT-erTi aSkara saxea. gorelebs
kargad axsovT, misi gubernatorobis dros
rogor arTmevdnen xalxs qonebas. rogor
aformebdnen notariusebSi am qonebas sxvebze.
misi saxeli araerT Zaladobas ukavSirdeba. is
ramdenime welia, rac saqarTveloSi dabrunda~
wina xelisuflebas yovelTvis
Sevaxseneb mis mier daSvebul Secdomebs,
magram es „qarTuli ocnebis”
namoqmedars ver dafaravs. im
politikas, rasac ivaniSvilis partia
atarebs, amas, ubralod, momavali
ar gaaCnia. arc maTi arCeuli
gza gaiyvans saqarTvelos samSvidobos.
xelisuflebaSi maTi
darCena Cveni qveynis ganviTarebas,
sul mcire, 30 wliT SeaCerebs.
_ xelisufleba rom ar mogwonT,
cxadia. opoziciis saqmianobaze
ras ityviT? Signidan ic-
nobT am samzareulos da, albaT,
yvelafers ufro kargad xedavT.
_ araerTxel miTqvams da kidev
gavimeoreb, rom opoziciaSi bevri
rame ar momwons. maT gacilebiT
meti aqtiuroba hmarTebT. meti
erTianobaa saWiro. TbilisSi es
ufro Sekruli Temaa, regionebSi
cota Wirs. mxolod erTad dgomiT
Tu davupirispirdebiT ivaniSvils,
aba fuliT mas ver vajobebT. Cveni
erToba erT rames emyareba _ saqarTvelos
da mis sazRvrebs odes-
Rac unda daadges saSveli. Zalian
bevri xarvezia opoziciis SigniT,
magram 20 ivnisis Ramem da mere mimdinare
aqciebma bevri rame Secvla.
es cvlilebebi Cven sasikeTod
moxda.
_ ra Seicvala im dRidan?
_ Tavad opoziciac mixvda, rom
erTad dgomas alternativa ar gaa-
Cnia. amitomac aiZules Tavi, erTad
damdgariyvnen. albaT arc Tqven,
arc me da arc aravin warmoidgenda,
rom aseTi gansxvavebuli xalxi
erTmaneTis gverdiT dadgeboda.
amas sizmarSic ver vnaxavdi. CemTvis
yvelaze mTavari isaa, rom opoziciam
kargad gaacnobiera, _ erTpartiuli
mmarTveloba warsuls
Cabarda. XXI saukuneSi erTpirovnuli
mmarTveloba ukve sircxvilad
da CamorCenilobad iTvleba.
momavali koaliciur mTavrobaSia.
_ kargia, rom opoziciaSi ase
fiqroben, magram moaxerxeben ko-
aliciuri mTavrobis Seqmnas?
_ sxva gza, ubralod, ar aris.
parlamenti unda iyos mravalpartiuli
da mTavroba _ koaliciuri.
regionebic amis mixedviT unda
dalagdes. romel partiasac eyoleba
wesieri da profesionali kadri,
yvelam imas unda davuWiroT
mxari. SeiZleba, es viRacas ar moewonos,
magram wyena unda davZlioT.
opoziciis SigniT yvelam unda
daafiqsiros Tavisi azri, magram
gansxvavebuli azris qona tragediad
ar unda CaiTvalos da es daqsaqsvis
mizezi ar unda gaxdes. Cven
Tu daviqsaqseT, amiT „qarTuli
ocnebis” wisqvilze davasxamT wyals.
Zalauflebis SenarCunebis
wyurviliT Sepyrobili „qarTuli
ocneba” isedac yvelaferze aris
wamsvleli, amitom Secdomis daSvebis
ufleba aRar gvaqvs.
_ erTad yofnas alternativa
ar aqvso ambobT, es erTianoba ga-
xdeba imis safuZveli, rom xelisuflebas
daTmobaze wasvla aiZu-
loT? dasavleTidan mxardaWera
gaqvT da es patara ambavi ar aris.
_ is, rom dasavleTidan amxela
mxardaWeraa, es ukve Zalian didi
gamarjvebaa. saqarTveloSi opozicias
arc erT etapze ar hqonia
amxela saerTaSoriso mxardaWera,
miuxedavad imisa, rom aq aqciebi
sxva drosac xSirad imarTeboda.
axla evropaSi miwevs yofna da,
ZiriTadad, sul ucxour sainformacioebs
vusmen. wamyvani telearxebi
xSirad aSuqeben saqarTveloSi
mimdinare procesebs. merwmuneT,
dasavleTis ukmayofileba „ocnebis”
mimarT imaze ufro mwvavea, vidre
amas qarTul sazogadoebas
awvdian. evropa da amerika ukve Riad
daupirispirda „qarTuli ocnebis”
araswor politikas.
Cems megobrebTan, romlebic aqtiuri
opozicionerebi arian, xSiri
kontaqti maqvs. isini miyvebian
mand mimdinare movlenebze. meubnebian,
rom Zalian maRalia saprotesto
muxti, amas aqedanac vgrZnob.
dasavluri mxardaWeriT opozicia
ufro Tavdajerebuli gaxdeba
da mtkiced moiTxovs Tavisi
pirobebis Sesrulebas. axla mTavaria,
sazogadoebac gaaqtiurdes.
erTad ufro male vaiZulebT xelisuflebas
daTmobaze wasvlas.
„qarTuli ocneba” unda vaiZuloT,
rom arCevnebi demokratiulad da
samarTlianad Caataros. erTi didi
gamarjveba Cven ukve movipoveT.
am procesebSi aqtiurad CaerTnen
axalgazrdebi. me ar maxsendeba,
rom Cveni axalgazrdoba ase
dainteresebuliyos politikiT.
esec 20 ivnisis Ramem moitana.
me oTxi Svili myavs da isini politikiT
arasdros interesdebodnen.
raRac aqciebi rom iyo da amaze
vsaubrobdi xolme saxlSi, sul
meubnebodnen, _ kargi, ra, deda, ra
dros politikaa. 20 ivnisis Semdeg
maT damokidebuleba Seicvales. aseve
moxda sxva axalgazrdebis SemTxvevaSic.
TiTqos yvelam erTad
gamoiRviZa da Seuracxyofilad
igrZno Tavi. axalgazrdoba Zalian
didi Zalaa. arc erTi dRe ar Camigdia,
yoveldRe aqciebze davdiodi
da vxedavdi axalgazrdebs. isini
Zalian aqtiurebi iyvenen. es ma-
Zlevs imis imeds, rom aucileblad
Seicvleba Cveni qveynis momavali
ukeTesobisken.
_ 20 ivnisis Rame gavrilovis
parlamentSi Seyvanas moyva, axla
lavrovis Camoyvanas apireben da
es, albaT, kidev ufro gaamwarebs
sazogadoebas. Tqven ras ityviT
amasTan dakavSirebiT?
_ lavrovis Camoyvana Zalian
mZimed damTavrdeba. es iseTi ambavi
iqneba, rom SeiZleba, saqme
arCevnebamdec ki aRar mivides. lavrovis
aq Camosvla aris erovnuli
Seuracxyofa. xalxma am xelisuflebas
uamravi politikuri Secdoma
apatia, magram erovnul Seuracxyofas
aravin apatiebs.
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