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`ivaniSvilma saqarTveloSi
nene injgia
mmarTveli gundi aSS-dan kongresmenebisa
da axla ukve sena-
591 71 39 98
torebis mwvave werilebs, martivad
rom vTqvaT, ar imCnevs. isini werilebis simwvaves sxvadasxva
mizeziT xsnian, maT Soris, imiT, rom amerikeli kon-
gresmenebi araswor faqtebze dayrdnobiT axveven kritikis
qarcecxlSi. erTi ram cxadia, rom „qarTuli ocneba” saocne-
bo mocemulobaSi namdvilad ar aris. es opoziciis wisqvilze
asxams wyals, Tumca opoziciuri speqtric sakmaod seriozu-
li gamowvevebis winaSe dgas. rogoria opoziciuri partiebis
samoqmedo gegma? ra aris maTi mTavari gamowveva? rogor ai-
Zuleben xelisuflebas, daTmos proprociuli saarCevno
sistema 2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebisTvis?
am da sxva aqtualur Temebze
„qronika+~ „Tavisufali demokr-
atebis” erT-erT lider levan
samuSias esaubra:
_ prokuraturam Temirlan
maCalikaSvilis mimarT uflebam-
osilebis gadametebis saqmeze
gamoZieba Sewyvita. prokuraturis
gancxadebiT, antiteroristu-
li specoperaciis dros specda-
niSnulebis razmis arc erT wevrs
da arc maRali Tanamdebobis pirs
kanonsawinaaRmdego qmedeba ar
Caudenia. raze miuTiTebs proku-
raturis es gadawyvetileba?
_ pirvel rigSi, unda aRniSnos,
rom dRevandeli politizebuli
sasamarTlodan da prokuraturidan
maCalikaSvilis saqmesTan
dakavSirebiT sxva gadawyvetilebas
aravin eloda. zogadad, saqmis
warmoeba rom araobieqturad
da tendenciurad mimdinareobda
da saerTod Tu mimdinareobda,
amazec kiTxvis niSnebi unda daisvas,
es Tavidanve Canda am wlebis
ganmavlobaSi. bevri pasuxgaucemeli
kiTxvaa. vfiqrob, gamoZiebis
Sewyvetis erT-erTi mTavari mizani
iyo is, rom rogorc cnobilia,
adamianis uflebaTa evropul sasamarTlos
warmoebaSi aqvs miRebuli
es saqme da sakmaod seriozul
da mZime kiTxvebze uwevs saxelmwifos
pasuxis gacema. prokuraturis
gancxadeba maCalikaSvilis
mimarT uflebamosilebis
saqmeze gamoZiebis SewyvetasTan
dakavSirebiT, vfiqrob, ufro adamianis
uflebaTa evropuli sasamarTlosTvis
iyo gamiznuli.
_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom poli-
tizebuli prokuraturis piro-
bebSi sxva gadawyvetilebas aravin
eloda. ra politikuri fasis gadaxda
mouwevT am gadawyvetileb-
is gamo?
_ zogadad, yvelam unda gadaixados
politikuri fasi im doziT,
ra doziTac am politikuri
sasamarTlos sistemis SenarCunebasa
da ganmtkicebaSi miiRo monawileoba.
dRes SeiZleba Tamamad
iTqvas, rom saqarTveloSi politikuri
marTlmsajulebaa. „qar-
Tuli ocnebis” xelisuflebis
mxridan politikuri oponentebis
mimarT gansakuTrebiT sasamarTlo
da prokuratura gamoiyeneba,
rogorc devnis iaraRi. aseve am
iaraRs mmarTveli gundi sazogadoebis
im aqtiuri wevrebis mimarT
iyenebs, romlebic „qarTuli
ocnebis” ukanono qmedebebs aprotesteben.
aqedan gamomdinare, aucilebelia
im sistemis depolitizeba,
romelic ukve damoukideblobis
arsebobidan suldgmulobs.
_ xmauri iyo sakrebulos sx-
domazec, sadac „qarTuli ocneb-
is” deputatebi „nacionaluri
moZra
raobis” wevr levan xabeiSvils
Tavs daesxnen, aseve „mTavari arxis”
damfuZnebel nika gvaramiaz-
ec iZalades, romelic acxadebs,
rom Tavdamsxmelebi gia volskis
gamogzavnilebi iyvnen da man pasuxismgebloba
unda aiRos momx-
darze. Tqven xedavT Tu ara pol-
itikur niSnebs am Zaladobis faqtebSi
da gaxda Tu ara Zalado-
ba „qarTuli ocnebis” xelwera?
_ „qarTulma ocnebam” yvelafer
im umsgavsobaze pasuxismgebloba
Tavad unda aiRos, rasac
sCadis, Tumca, bunebrivia, is am
pasuxismgeblobas ar aiRebs. qarTveli
xalxi 2020 wlis saparlamento
arCevnebSi am pasuxismgeblobas
aucileblad daakisrebs „qarTul
ocnebas”. rac Seexeba konkretul
faqtebs, vxedavT, rom
gigi ugulavas daesxnen Tavs da
dazaralebul ugulavas brali
warudgines. rodesac sakrebulo-
Si xabeiSvils Tavs daesxnen, „qarTuli
ocnebis” warmomadgenlebi
acxadebdnen, rom xabeiSvili
cemis Rirsic ki iyo. SeiZleba
vutrirebde, magram daaxloebiT
am Sinaarsis gzavnilebs ugzavnian
sazogadoebas „qarTuli ocnebis”
warmomadgenlebi, rac maTi mxridan
Zaladobis mowodebas miuTi-
Tebs. rodesac nika gvaramias Tavs
daesxnen, is adamianebi adgilze ar
daukavebiaT, Sss-m mogvianebiT gaavrcela
informacia, rom Tavdamsxmelebi
dasakiTxad gadaiyvanes.
sul ramdenime kviris winandel
faqts gagaxsenebT, rodesac „qarTuli
ocnebis” deputat anri
oxanaSvils sityvieri Seuracxyofa
miayenes Tavis ojaxis wevrebTan
erTad, rac Zalian miuRebeli
da dasagmobi faqtia, magram am
SemTxvevaSi saxelmwifom dauyovnebliv
daapatimra es pirovneba,
xolo rodesac sisxlis samar-
Tlis danaSaulis niSnebi iyo nika
gvaramiaze TavdasxmasTan dakav-
SirebiT, es adamianebi arc gamokiTxvaze
gadaiyvanes da, jerjerobiT,
gaurkvevelia, ra saproceso
moqmedebebi mimdinareobs. es
aris SerCeviToba da am sistemis
saxe. Cven yvelam viciT, rom es
Sesacvlelia da amas aucileblad
SevcvliT.
_ levan xabeiSvilis cemis faqtTan
dakavSirebiT yofilma saxalxo
damcvelma da premier-min-
istris mrCevelma sozar subarma
ganacxada, rom qaris damTesi
qariSxals moimkiso, _ ras niSnavs
es gzavnili?
_ es gancxadeba yvelaze samarcxvino
iyo, miT umetes, yofili
saxalxo damcvelis mxridan. es
aris pirdapir Zaladobisken mowodeba,
rom samarTlebriv an
Tundac politikur reJimSi oponireba
ki ar unda iyos, aramed Sua
saukuneebis meTodebiT unda gauswordnen
adamianebs. es aris zustad
is, rasac „qarTuli ocneba”
Tesavs, aqedan gamomdinare, yvelam
unda SevecadoT, rom es mankieri
politikuri Zala arCevnebis
gziT moviSoroT.
_ gasul kviras aseve aqtualuri
Tema iyo prezident zurabiS-
vilis evropis sabWoSi gamosvla.
xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi
amboben, rom man zedmiwevniT is-
aubra okupaciaze. Tqven rogor
SeafasebT mis gamosvlas?
_ prezident zurabiSvilis gamosvlis
„gapraveba” SeuZlebelia,
levan samuSia:
`Cven yvelam
viciT, rom es
Sesacvlelia
da amas
aucileblad
SevcvliT~
`sul ramdenime kviris winandel faqts
gagaxsenebT, rodesac `qarTuli ocnebis~
deputat anri oxanaSvils sityvieri
Seuracxyofa miayenes Tavis ojaxis wevrebTan
erTad, rac Zalian miuRebeli da dasagmobi
faqtia, magram am SemTxvevaSi saxelmwifom
dauyovnebliv daapatimra es pirovneba, xolo
rodesac sisxlis samarTlis danaSaulis
niSnebi iyo nika gvaramiaze TavdasxmasTan
dakavSirebiT, es adamianebi arc gamokiTxvaze
gadaiyvanes da, jerjerobiT, gaurkvevelia, ra
saproceso moqmedebebi mimdinareobs. es aris
SerCeviToba da am sistemis saxe~
Tumca „qarTuli ocnebis” xelisufleba
rekordsmenia msoflio-
Si yvelasa da yvelafris „gapravebaSi”.
salome zurabiSvilis gamosvla
qveynis interesebis sawinaaRmdego
iyo. jer erTi, is faqti, rom
zurabiSvilma ukrainis delegaciis
warmomadgenlebis kiTxva saer-
Tod upasuxod datova, mxolod
es aris sakmarisi misi gamosvlis
Sesafaseblad. zurabiSvilma pirdapir
dapatiJa Cveni qveynis okupanti
saxelmwifo. man ganacxada,
rom okupantebis gulisTvis kanonis
darRvevazec ki varT wamsvlelio
da amis Semdeg mmarTveli gundi
mis gamarTlebas ecada, rac
warmoudgenelia. Tumca „qarTuli
ocnebisgan” warmoudgeneli aRaraferia.
im dResve erT-erTi televiziis
eTerSi movuwode „qarTul
ocnebas”, rom zurabiSvilis am
gancxadebas gamijnuliyvnen da
eTqvaT, rom „lavrovebis” dapatiJeba
saqarTveloSi ar SeiZleba.
bunebrivia, maT es ar gaakeTes.
gavrilovis Camosvlis tolfasi
Tu ara, uaresi iqneba lavrovis
saqarTveloSi Camosvla. qveynisTvis
Zalian mniSvnelovania, rom
msgavsi ram ar moxdes, vinaidan am
saqcieliT isini Cveni moqalaqeebis
nervebze iTamaSeben da qveyanaSi
daZabulobis Seqmnas Seuwyoben
xels.
_ Tumca isini lavrovis saqar-
TveloSi Semosvlas ganixilaven
im konteqstSi, rom saqarTvelo
evropis sabWos Tavmjdomare qveyanaa
da Sesabamisad uwevT mo-
qmedeba.
_ evropis sabWos Tavmjdomare
qveyana rom gavxdiT samarcxvinod
izeimes da miRwevad monaTles es
faqti. moqalaqeebs atyuebdnen,
rom damsaxurebis gamo miiRo
saqarTvelom es statusi. yvelam
kargad viciT, rom realurad anbanis
mixedviT mogviwia evropis
sabWos Tavmjdomareoba. evropis
sabWos Tavmjdomareoba ki imas ar
niSnavs, rom sakuTari qveynis interesebze
Tqva uari da Cveni qveynis
arc erTi dasavleli partniori
amas ar gvTxovs. magram rodesac
Sen TviTon epatiJebi mkvlels
sakuTar saxlSi, amaze ra
komentari unda gavakeTo, ar vici.
marTalia, salome zurabiSvilma
evropis sabWoSi gamosvlisas qvecnobierad
rasac fiqrobda, is
Tqva, rom ivaniSvilia prezidentio,
magram is idga tribunaze
prezidentis statusiT da man okupanti
qveynis warmomadgenlebi
sakuTar qveyanaSi dapatiJa. am Sem-
TxvevaSi Cvenma dasavlelma megobrebma
ra pozicia unda daikavon?
Tu Cven gveqneba swori, samar-
Tliani, kanonieri pozicia, bunebrivia,
maTi mxardaWerac garantirebulia.
_ rogor fiqrobT, zurabiS-
vilma mizanmimarTulad gaakeTa
lavrovTan dakavSirebiT es
gancxadeba?
_ xSir SemTxvevaSi, salome zurabiSvili
Tavs isulelebs, „qar-
Tuli ocneba” ki imiT amarTlebs,
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