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dapirispirebamde mihyavs saqme!~
uli da cota arakacuri SurisZieba
mgonia. saerTod, Cvenebis
micema nebismieris winaaRmdeg Sei-
Zleba, magram es arafers hgavs.
_ SeiZleba, magram qarelis
SemTxveva ganvazogadoT, miT
umetes, rom zurabiSvilis arC-
evnebis magaliTi win gvaqvs, anu
wlevandel saparlamento arCe-
vnebzec „ocneba” xaxvsa Tu
kartofils daarigebs da gamar-
jvebas gaiformebs!
_ sruli pasuxismgeblobiT
geubnebiT: am xalxs kartofili
da 50 Tu asi 100 lari veRar gaaCerebs!
ise, saimisod, rom yvelaferi
es Tavidan aviridoT,
Zalian kargi recepti arsebobs.
_ saxeldobr?
_ „ocneba” Secdomas yvela fexis
nabijze uSvebs. Tuki am Secdomebis
kvaldakval aSS-is pozicia
gamkacrdeba da sanqciebamde
mivalT, razedac saubari ukve midis,
maSin qarTveli xalxi
arCevnebs arCevnebamde moigebs!
_ arCevnebis mosagebad opo-
ziciis erTianobac aucilebelia.
marTalia, „gamarjvebuli saqa-
rTvelo” sakoordinacio sabWos
muSaobaSi aqtiurad araa CarTu-
li, magram, qalbatono lela,
Tqven, rogorc gare damkvirvebe-
li, gamoricxavT, rom opoziciis
romelime frTa xelisufle-
basTan molaparakebaze wavides?
_ amqvenad gamoricxuli araferia,
magram Tu sakiTxs pragmatulad
mivudgebiT, aseTi ram dRevandeli
opoziciis warmomadgenlebs
ar unda awyobdeT!
_ ratom?
_ im saerTaSoriso fonze, rac
am xelisuflebis garSemoa Seqmnili,
romeli WkuaTmyofeli opoziciuri
partia gaTvlis da daTvlis,
rom „ocnebasTan” urTier-
Toba misTvis momgebiani iqneba?!
_ dawyvileba iqiT iyos da xom
SeiZleba, opoziciis romelime
frTasa da „ocnebas” Soris gari-
geba xelisuflebis gadabarebaze
imis sanacvlod moxdes, rom
ivaniSvilis mTavrobis wevrebma
garantiebi miiRon?
_ ivaniSvilisTvis an misi mTavrobisTvis
garantiebis micema, mxolod
da mxolod, ivaniSvils Seu-
Zlia.
_ es rogor?
_ anu es garantiebi mxolod
imaze iqneba damokidebuli, saer-
TaSoriso Tanamegobrobis, Cveni
partniorebisa da qarTuli sazogadoebis
nebas dahyvebian Tu
ara. im SemTxvevaSi, Tu winasaarCevnod
viTareba normalur kalapots
daubrundeba, yvelaferi,
rasakvirvelia, qarTuli saxelmwifos
gamarjvebiT dasruldeba
da ivaniSvilis garantiebic swored
amaSi iqneba Cadebuli. axla
iseTi fonia, rom situaciis eskalacia
opoziciis interesebSi ar
Sedis, radgan misi seriozuli
mokavSire, qarTuli sazogadoebis
udidesi nawilis garda, dasavleTicaa,
anu opoziciuri partiebi,
sazogadoeba da saerTaSoriso
partniorebi erT azrze arian.
_ diax, asea, magram, qalbatono
lela, xandaxan mgonia, rom „oc-
neba” sakuTari cudi saqmeebis
Cafarcxvas cdilobs. ai, magali-
Tad, maCalikaSvilis saqmeze specrazmelis
winaaRmdeg saqme Sewyda;
daTuna saraliZis mkvlelo-
ba ki konkretulma pirovnebam
aRiara ara da masTan saproceso gaf-
ormda, anu yvelaferi es imisTvis
xom ar keTdeba, rom xelisuflebis
Secvlis Semdeg dRevandeli
gavleniani maRalCinosneb-
is pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxi aRar
dadges da am saqmeebis xelaxali
gamoZiebis SemTxvevaSi wvrilfex-
obaze gadatydes joxi?
_ rogorc saraliZisa da maCalikaSvilis
saqmeebi ganviTarda an
rogorc axla midis procesi
giorgi ruruas, irakli oqruaSvi-
N3 (305) 4.02-10.02.2020 w.
`sazogadoebis nawili saakaSvils ver itans, nawili ki _ ivaniSvils, Tumca
saakaSvils, ivaniSvilisgan gansxvavebiT, realuri momxreebi hyavs~
lis, nika meliasa Tu nika gvaramias
garSemo, samarTlebrivad
rogor unda „gasufTavdes”? sxva-
Ta Soris, Tavis droze, girgvlianis
ambavi wvrilfexobas dabralda,
magram mas Semdeg, rac xelisufleba
Seicvala, vano merabiSvili
cixeSi xom Cajda?
_ diax, Cajda, magram wina xe-
lisuflebidan gisosebs miRma
sul ori adamiani _ merabiSvili
da baCo axalaia aRmoCnda.
_ daTa axalaiasac misjili aqvs
da soso TofuriZesac. ubralod,
gaqceulebi arian da merve welia,
qveyanaSi ver Semodian. es xalxi
wvrilfexoba ar iyo. sxvaTa Soris,
sruliad gaurkveveli da ab-
`imisTvis, rom saqarTvelo misi strategiuli
partniori gamxdariyo, aSS-m sakmaod didi
finansuri, moraluri da aseve politikuri
mxardaWera gagviwia. is, rom dRes saqarTvelo
aSS-is startegiuli partnioria, es Cveni
ormxrivi interesia, rac aSS-is geopolitikur
interesSic Sedis. Sesabamisad, amerikelebi
ukan ar daixeven da saqarTvelosadmi,
rogorc saxelmwifosadmi, cxadia, mxardaWera
gagrZeldeba, magram es imas rodi niSnavs, rom
`ocnebis~ xelisufleba aSS-dan rame tipis
dividends kidev miiRebs~
surduli, magram ganaCeni mixeil
saakaSvilzecaa damdgari. aqedan
gamomdinare, gamonaklisi es xelisufleba
ratom unda iyos?
_ cxadia, ar unda iyos, Tumca
Tu gaxsovT, ramdenime Tvis win
„evropuli saqarTvelo” gamovi-
da iniciativiT, xelisuflebis
Secvlis Semdeg Tanamdebobis yo-
fili pirebis pasuxismgeblobis
sakiTxi aRar dadgeso da am Te-
maze „nacionalur moZraobas” memorandumis
gaformebac SesTava-
za. swored aman gaaCina eWvi, rom
opoziciis nawilsa da „ocnebas”
Soris SesaZloa, faruli garige-
ba arsebobdes.
_ yvelaferi es SesaZlebelia,
magram amgvari tipis pasuxismgeblobas
sakuTar Tavze mxolod
erTi opoziciuri partia ver
aiRebs. jerjerobiT ver vxedav
iniciativas, rom am wamowyebas
sxva opoziciuri partiebic SeuerTdnen.
sxvaTa Soris, roca am
iniciativiT gamovida, giga bokeriaze
saqme aRZruli jer kidev ar
iyo.
_ bokeriaze 2013 wels aRiZra
saqme. ubralod, msvleloba ar mis-
cemia da Tarodan axla CamoiRes.
_ diax, Tqvens SeniSvnas viziareb.
mokled, ar var darwmunebuli,
am Temaze giga bokerias
igive azri hqondes!
_ qalbatono lela, saubars
ise ver movrCebiT, Tu irakli
oqruaSvilsac ar SevexeT: adrec
miTqvams, rom, Cemi azriT, „gama-
rjvebuli saqarTvelos” lideri
mxolod xelisuflebam ki ara,
opoziciamac gawira. amasobaSi ki
oqruaSvilis partiac, praqtiku-
lad, daiSala _ gubaz sanikiZe da
valeri gelbaxiani damoukideblad
moqmedeben. am partiis sax-
eliT arc Tqven aqtiurobT...
_ partiis wevri ar var da arc
vyofilvar.
_ arada, oqruaSvilis gverdiT
ideqiT.
_ diax, magram me mxolod
moZraobis damfuZnebeli viyavi da
partiis yrilobaSi monawileobac
ar mimiRia.
_ ra moxda, gundi ratom daiS-
ala?
_ is, rac SigniT moxda, gareT
Zalian kargad Cans, anu partiis
erT-erTi lideri, irakli oqruaSvili,
moZraobis dafuZnebidan
zustad Tve-naxevris Semdeg cixeSi
aRmoCnda da dRemde patimaria.
partiis wevrebi, mgoni, yovel
meore dRes irakli oqruaSvilisa
da koba koSaZis sasamarTlo procesebze
dadian, anu erTi partiidan
Tve-naxevarSi ori adamiani
daiWires. im dros partia, romelic
liderisa da finansuri resursis
gareSea darCenili, im amocanebs,
romelic moZraobis dafuZnebis
dros hqonda, Zalian
Znelad miaRwevs!
_ da es ra amocanebi iyo?
_ moZraoba „gamarjvebuli
saqarTvelos” dafuZnebisTanave
vambobdi, Cveni moZraoba ar gulisxmobs
erTi partiis gamarjvebas,
es moZraoba qarTveli xalxis gamarjvebisTvis
iqmneba-meTqi. amaSi
yvelas Tavisi funqcia hqonda,
erT-erTi RerZi ki, ra Tqma unda,
irakli oqruaSvili iyo, romelsac
partiis normaluri funqcionirebisTvis
finansuri Tu struqturuli
TvalsazrisiT unda Seewyo
xeli. samwuxarod, es ar gamovida,
Tumca erTi partiis gamarjveba
an argamarjveba im suraTs,
romelic opoziciur erTobaSia,
ar cvlis. am erTobaSi ki partiis
wevrebi, igive kote kemularia da,
ramdenadac vici, guram CalagaSvilic,
monawileoben.
mokled, miuxedavad imisa, me an
romelime lideri vrCebiT Tu ara
partiaSi, an partiaSi arsebuli
rTuli viTareba, romelic irakli
oqruaSvilis dapatimrebiT
Seiqmna, xels ver SeuSlis saerTo
opoziciur da qarTuli saxelmwifos
gamarjvebas, radgan „gamarjvebulma
saqarTvelom”, xanmokle
arsebobis miuxedavad, sakmaod
didi kontribucia Seitana am gamarjvebaSi
da es aris ori politikuri
patimari _ irakli oqruaSvili
da koba koSaZe. politpatimrebis
Tema ki is sabediswero
lodia „qarTuli ocnebisTvis”,
ramac mas niRabi sabolood Camoxsna
da Cveni saerTaSoriso partniorebisTvis
am xelisuflebis
realuri saxe naTeli gaxada!
_ e. i., qalbatono lela, oqru-
aSvilis politikur gundTan
Tqveni gaigiveba ukve aRar Sei-
Zleba?
_ diax, asea.
_ aRarc moZraoba „gamarjve-
buli saqarTvelos” wevri xarT?
_ moZraobis damfuZnebeli var,
wevri _ ara. weRandeli Tqmisa ar
iyos, viTareba irakli oqruaSvilis
dapatimrebis Semdeg Zalian
Seicvala.
_ opoziciis e. w. mrgval magidaSi
pirovnulad xom ar monaw-
ileobT?
_ ara. jer damkvirveblis roli
maqvs _ opozicias vuyureb.
garkveuli tipis diskusiebSi vmonawileob,
Tumca sajarod _ ara.
dro jer kidev aris, rom gadawyvetileba
miviRo. erTi sityviT,
politikur procesebSi CarTuli
var, magram es imas ar niSnavs, rom
am wuTas Cemi afilireba romelime
partiasTan SeiZleba!
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